WARFRAME | Whispers in the Walls Story Analysis - A Truly Wonderful Quest

[@bowser17]

If you noticed in the foundry when crafting the gorgoile, it costs 19 credits and 99 seconds, thus 1999 is hinted. And the fact that it costs 0 platinum to rush it means that we should not waste time anymore. Interesting easter eggs there.

[@Kilesfactor]

I didn't even know you could rush it for free lol

[@Meatwad787]

​@@Kilesfactorsame lol. Watched my impatient friend stream the quest. That's how I found out 😂

[@AliasSchmalias]

Yes, the impatience, a crucial valve among humans..

[@godzelda123]

One line that's easy to miss almost directly states that Albrecht and Wally are basically one in the same. One of Loid's transmissions early in the quest says something along the lines of "The Nechramechs won't attack the Murmur, because they can no longer discern the difference between the Murmur and Albrecht. A theory Albrecht seemed hesitant to confirm or deny."

[@valeon7303]

I think that the man in the wall didn't exist until Entrati's first void experiment. The void was empty, no form, no matter. Suddenly, mass, energy, *consciousness*, enters the void. The void adapts, absorbs, imprints.
Because how the void works with time, this consciousness always exists and already existed. Maybe it can't go back before a certain date for a reason related to this?

[@N7_Bunny]

​@@valeon7303 Bro is cooking

[@alexgrimm8964]

That might simply mean they look the same so the Necramechs can't tell the difference. I doubt random robot guards could tell the difference of who's mind/soul are controling the body as the body is identical.

[@KrokusOfDagon]

@@valeon7303 This was the same theory i told my buddy while we were theorycrafting about the new stuff. He thinks its more related to multiple realities and Eternalism. I think part of our deal shut down the idea of Eternalism (at least as it relates to the Tenno) and that Albrecht and TMITW are one and the same. The void existed but didnt. He correlates Warframes Void to the Warp from 40k. It both exists throughout time but also never existed. The only reason we are seeing it now is because of Albrecht opening the portal. There are already a lot of parallels in Warframe to Warhammer 40k, especially when you compare the Void and the Warp. Another thing we've noticed is TMITW has no effect on beings that HAVE NOT already entered or interacted with the Void. Look at Lotus, the Tenno, and the Drifter for examples of this. Even Ballas had no idea of TMITW because, well, he never had a direct interaction with entering the void except for at the end of TNW.

[@inglebear84]

@@alexgrimm8964the “mumur” are fleshy stone arms that drag themselves around, amongst other odd shapes. No, I don’t think the mechs simply “look” at their targets and allies. There’s a deeper level of analysis going on.

[@jamescox7989]

Small side note, but I love the way that Nechraloid introduces you as “A” Tenno versus “The” Tenno making it feel more like the rest of us players are actually part of the world too.

[@Papagaio3938]

It makes sense that there are more than just one tenno but it really makes me wonder wth were the other ones doing during really any major quest?

[@daydreamdirty]

@@Okabe_Rintaroare you sure?
If so then why haven’t we met any other NPC versions yet? Why only human versions?
Meaning we can only meet others if we coop- not if we play solo as non exist in the campaigns

[@polloshi]

@@daydreamdirty Rell

[@Mord12gp]

@@Okabe_Rintaro I actually made a fan story about a non-player Tenno ua-cam.com/video/9jg6Yl1j-nk/v-deo.html

[@spacey9707]

​@@daydreamdirty"I can save them, all of them, but you have to really wanted it" -Wally.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Have to admit, I've never been more nervous about a video. There's literally NO information out there so this is the first I did entirely from my own perspective, so if there's anything I did miss, I'll do an update to change anything the community has learned in contrast to this. Fingers crossed, I feel good about it, but... you be the judge!

[@Kheshire_Tokyo]

I'm sure it as amazing as all your other videos 😊

[@Cryptic_Chai]

Aye man, we love your videos. The lore is already messedup. And you have always shed light on it.

[@opera4591]

Do you think thats strange that both the sentients and the man in the wall are actually avoiding the infestation? We have a full open portal to the void in deimos but theyre not trying to invade, actually the man looks like hes trying to shutdown the lab and close it for good.

[@Zerooo0o458]

25:28 strands of khra is stated by loid to be conceptually embodied timelines, likely resembling a strand when observed externally(duh)

[@cynthiahembree3957]

It's all good. I do have to say I would love a video talking about the Man in the wall in this quest. Wally seemed different more "human" than normal. And very angry at times. I can't say exactly what but something is off here. He's always felt neutral before but now I feel like I have an actual reason to fear him.

[@flowerremoon]

I love the way you edited Ballas' words about the Tenno over that scene with the Vessels during the fight with the Indifference

[@TheDsIEGE]

It felt "right" there.

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGEit felt right to me- so spot on!

[@illuminoeye_gaming]

​@@TheDsIEGEit was perfect. when you played it? everything clicked

[@theliato3809]

It fits so well I almsot think they wanted people to remember it and apply it to the scene

[@emuky7608]

A little secret that I haven't seen anyone mention or talk about yet; if you go backwards in the Arthur section of the quest you can find a little hole in the back of an infested train. You'll find a room and you'll start hearing whispers. Then your operator (presumably the man in the wall) appears and starts laughing at you and vanishes. I dont know really what to take from it. I clipped it because I was confused and didnt see my operator at first, but after looking back at it again it was indeed my operator and NOT my drifter, which I always play as.

[@FlavLilDemon]

OMG i missed that D: if u have it on video, would u mind sharing it? i'd love to see it

[@analogicparadox]

Wally is always your operator, even if you use drifter.

[@sadako8559]

Wally is the operator, because the deal was with them, not the drifter

[@ConstantlyGreg]

Would u be able to post this anywhere? I can’t find it anywhere on yt

[@limboprime4008]

Its interesting how wally takes the apereance of the tenno, i played as drifter and in all of the scenes wally looked like my tenno

[@ToastBOMB]

I wonder if DE is going to explain if the vessels actually dream or transfer our tenno’s mind back to the past because when you play as Arthur he says it feel like someone is in his head, probably referring to us, the Tenno, experiencing what he is at that moment. Then there’s also what Wally says about us not being late again.

[@TheDsIEGE]

The vessels wow... after reading that... my mind was blown. Need more time to wrap my head around it.

[@Psycorde]

​@@TheDsIEGE I don't blame you, the whole thing is quite a mess, a lot of clues that could be interpreted in many ways, but few concrete answers in this update

[@Psycorde]

Takes big bren to dream yourself into the past?

[@mbrown7361]

This is what I'm wondering. I figured the not-EVA Units were intended to fight Wally and have become some weird Conduit of Consciousness, which is how we see someone else's thoughts. It makes me think of Umbra, too. Does he know when we're controlling him? But how did we even get into Arthur's head without him having a transference device on?

[@analogicparadox]

During that sequence Loid says "the transference signal is being redirected", which makes me think the vessel didn't really have anything to do with it.

[@-Deco]

There's a specific thing we're already aware of, that the void is untimeless, that it exists in a form not subject to the apparent rules of everything else in the multiverse. In the multiverse theory there is a concept known as "important events", essentially points of time that cannot be rewritten once they are done as doing so would erase the strand of that particular's strand's multiverse consequences, and everything thereafter. I don't think it's a coincidence there are specific references to this in this quest, Loid specifically says he will help with transporting back to 1999 "when the time is right", implying there has to be a certain event that happens to meet the criteria to return to this "important event", as doing so otherwise would break the timeline continuity in reasons we don't yet know.
The void (or in this case, the indifference) since it exists outside the laws which bound entities within the multiverse, knows how things will unfold, if "xyz thing" occurs, which i think is why he's warning that attempting to rewrite what already exists will make things worse (when mentioned in collecting the board), than they already currently are. In that, it is a real, formal warning, that he's aware of the consequences that the Tenno are doing, and where they lead will impact them in a unforeseeable way, similar to how Albrecht can apparently see the future, but not know the consequences his actions would have until it's done, of course being influenced by the man in the wall to orchestrate a certain consequence on the timeline to occur.
That's what i gathered from this quest in general, it's references to time are much more than more or less any other quest, including the train which is deemed a trap, but more than likely the train used for travelling to 1999, then being late. Overall, it was a very well done quest.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Agreed, this is, narratively one of the best I think DE have put together and didn't make things TOO confusing like I think the new war got at times.

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGEthe new war was confusing due to how much was crammed in with less time being there to explain the importance of it all- or of most of it all. Only bits and pieces up to half was ever truly explained.
That still bothers me- especially with Parvos Granum never being brought into the new war.

[@mr.m.t.j.m6003]

@@TheDsIEGE 14:21 that voice sounds like a demon.😅

[@TheDaxter11]

This makes me a bit more annoyed that the void, in terms of gameplay, isn't all that important anymore. I miss when prime parts came from the void specifically cause it was a VERY good reason to go there and if it still held such importance gameplay wise it would feel that more special with this lore. Now you just go for argon crystals and if you're new and need Corrupted Vor mods.

[@roguespartan2854]

If that's the case, then what's Wally doing screwing around the timeline with his input? Is he trying to destoy it or something?

[@jasutinborchert4418]

24:10 at that scene I absolutely thought we’d void blast Wally and I’d never thought about that possibility, but after seeing it here again it seems like it’s the same thing we did with umbra: we sympathized with it, made an effort to understand its pain, and in the end took its pain away and helped it to move in

[@mendlez2306]

Its perfect, it shows how the Tenno oppose the Man in the Wall, It gets stronger with indifference, the Tenno weakens it with empathy.

[@dustinwashburn1283]

I worked on ranking the Cavia up before anything else. It's rather heart-breaking to hear the tale of how they suddenly became aware, all while in a harrowing moment, and had to react within an instant of it. All of it leading to some poignant statements on what it means to be aware.
I love Bird-3. He may seem to not be all there, but he is paying attention, and listening. And is likely the most emotionally stable of all three Cavia.

[@singletona082]

Loid has hadjust about enough andi s going to assault a voidgod with a glock.

[@TheDsIEGE]

I was thinking the same thing, lol!

[@anondabomb]

I’ll let him use mine.

[@kitsune0012]

The moment I read this my mind filled in "Master gas gives dobby a glock! Dobby is confused."

[@Remarkdotzip2427]

Not gonna you gotta give him credit. He had some massive balls going up against something so strong

[@oniontaster6449]

When its said "you are late" in th3 1999 segment i dont think wall said that. Imo wall finally gains controll at midnight and we dont have enough time left to stop him, therefore its albrecht who says "you are late" just before being taken over

[@alexgrimm8964]

This right here. You ,sir, are making sense.

[@oniontaster6449]

Now that i think about it midnight means going from 1999->2000.
Did walgreens cause y2k or did y2k break albrechts equitment and let wallkers furniture in

[@Voldrim359]

​@@oniontaster6449 well, something was already happening in 1999 since we saw how a man named Arthur fought against infected TVs of some sorts, but i think there was something there that would make it harder to the man in the wall follow Albretch before 1999, after the midnight, entering the 2000 it wasn't harder anymore

[@theliato3809]

Maybe something with the turn of a millennium and sufficient tech to work with brought him there.
But his plan to break the time machine so TMITW couldn’t fallow him didn’t work so he came through.
His your late to the Tenno/arthur could be that he expected you to find him earlier in the timeline before TMITW could and started causing trouble

[@jasutinborchert4418]

What I find interesting are a few things.
1: in the dialogue with organic Lloid we learn that Tenno do, in fact, communicate, most likely through telepathy.
2: when Wally appears in the “summoning” (or better warding?) circles he appears to be bound in some way since he doesn’t move and is hunched over.
3: it implies that in some places or with enough exposure people can see Wally, who was previously implied to only be visible to us

[@whitejester]

I mean, we can speak through our voice in the war within quest.

[@jasutinborchert4418]

@@whitejester not while in the Warframes tho

[@whitejester]

@@jasutinborchert4418 yes in the warframes, do you not remember us talking to Teshin in the warframes?

[@jasutinborchert4418]

@@whitejester no

[@whitejester]

@@jasutinborchert4418 rewatch the quest

[@raydxb1099]

In case you didn't notice, the man in the wall is just above the Sanctum Anatomica. Just go the sands pass the Vessel until you hear the ringtone. then look at the top of the Mountain thing.

[@hunterofthemist7159]

that was something i noticed when i first played during the boss fight out there, i havent noticed anyone else actaually talk about that

[@reapordeath]

if you look out in the expanse of the skybox you will see a few of them. i counted about 4, each of them with different emotions etched into their faces, with one of them spewing out sand endlessly.

[@danielm7274]

WTF I NEVER NOTICED THAT

[@TheDaxter11]

I see the faces but I don't hear the ringtone.

[@zini3612]

The ringtone is actually from one of the pagers albericht uses, it's on the very end of the platform.

[@infernalphantom7571]

Fun fact, that statue has a build time of 99 seconds

[@TheDsIEGE]

And you can rush it for 0 plat... I wondered if there wasn't something to that.

[@infernalphantom7571]

@@TheDsIEGE I didn’t want to accidentally rush, then I accidentally spent plat on a weapon exilus

[@doingboing4608]

it also has a credit cost of 19 as well, so in the foundry menu it shows 19 credits 99 seconds

[@JC-tg5xx]

​@@doingboing46081999?

[@daydreamdirty]

@@TheDsIEGEI doubt it…. And I bet you’ll see more questions related builds going this route in the future.

[@CaptainVien]

One thing I gotta say about this quest is, I love how were getting more human characters. Huge lack of them with the whole sentient war tbh

[@CommentLeaver.]

Thanks for making these videos! As someone who loves deep lore but is unable to process the information in my brain myself you have my gratitude.

[@TheDsIEGE]

As someone who spends many hours on these lore videos, I appreciate you for taking the time to watch them. It's a big deal to have all that work actually appreciated, so... thank you!

[@Druidavet]

I love this type of channel because I'm too dumb to understand the deep lore... and because I don't have a master's degree in philosophy (goddam Warframe and its philosophical lore)

[@Cyberlele02]

Couldn't have said better myself😅

[@daydreamdirty]

I can partial out some but DsEIGE here got so much more out better

[@redmirrow8913]

When i first saw the announcement i made a guess that Otak is somewhat related to Albrecht as he was important enough to be grafted onto necroloid and is aware of a cat he calls mr. Scratchykins
This may be a void-touched fragment of Albrecht's mind

[@SomeDigitalGhost]

I think Otak was actually an archimedian.

[@ducontra666999]

the "indiference" is much more expressive than any other character...

[@TheDsIEGE]

You see that too, huh? I always say he's so emotional for being indifferent, lol

[@ardenumbraheart3278]

"Xata" means Truth and "Lohk" means Void if that helps any. Mara is often said to the Tenno themselves, so...maybe the end of the question is asking us about the truth and calling us like "void child" or something? Some languages put a word at the end even though translation would put it before the actual end word. (Just a theory.)

[@bluprint27]

Tagfer does say "Mara Lohk" before giving you the Keyglyph for the Netracell, so you might be onto something here.

[@xnyxiee1784]

Keep in mind that even then, canonically the translations are still up for debate and can't be taken as 100% accurate.

[@AnonYmous-be5ir]

Maybe it's context based? Like the sequence, quantity, and intent of the sentence change the meaning of the words? Saying them in a sequence of 123 as opposed to 321 could be vastly different statements even without factoring context. Like wether or not it was a question or statement.

[@skunkfu1x]

Someone said it could mean "do you see the truth void child "

[@oArquidruida]

@@xnyxiee1784 xata and lohk are confirmed in-game already, just before the sanctum we can see some writings in the wall (before you go down the stairs, where the necraloid is) and it's some voice lines of albrecht explaining the translation of every requiem mod word we know yet

[@Raze_HyskarisXIV]

Was so excited about this video!! One thing I did notice at the end is that it's the same flower (similar to) to the one that is placed in front of the Warframes at the very beginning of the story during Vor's Prize. "We end as we began" makes me wonder if we are still dreaming? Or that the "time" we are supposed to meet Albrecht isn't a time on the clock. Old Wally told us "I can save them all." My thoughts were does he mean people or timelines? There have been "glitches" during certain scenes that has me thinking about the Matrix in some ways. Very interested to see where we're going and what you think of it! I made mention in a previous comment that I translated the quote on the floor of the Anatomica, and I think it's pretty fitting for Albrecht. "No God Above Knowledge." is what I believe it says. But at what cost does this knowledge come I wonder? Looking forward to more!!

[@TheDsIEGE]

OOOOOOOO Nice catch, I didn't think about that! Hmmm... You've given me some things to consider. Good lord I'm gonna have to replay Awakening for like the 20th time, lol...

[@NyghtWolf]

@@TheDsIEGEAlso (and forgive me if this was mentioned in another video already) they changed one of the last lines from the War Within quest when Wally is speaking at the end. My kiddo did the quest the other day & I was watching and said 'Wait a minute, that's not what he said to me when I did this years ago!?' Went back to look & sure enough- On a video from 6yrs ago the original line "Hey kiddo, what took you so long?" was changed to "Don't forget kiddo, you're nothing without me"
I'm VERY curious if this was a retcon of sorts, or if DE is just doing this to mess with us xD (The original line could be taken as older players going through the loop for the first time, and the second line can effectually be newer players experiencing the timeline differently *because of what we did*)

[@arandomguy6169]

@@NyghtWolf I'm pretty sure Wally has different dialogue depending on what you choose to do with the kuva. So you probably chose a different option than the first time.

[@daydreamdirty]

I want to have fun with this and include literally every other timeline no matter the game- and basically wonder what this would look like OUTSIDE of Warframe.

[@daydreamdirty]

@@arandomguy6169that’s what it is- the dialogue changes depending upon our choices

[@Psycorde]

Cool detail I noticed just now. When doppelganger mocks Loyd, he says "Like you, Loyd" in his true voice
Which is the first time we heard him speak our language with that voice I think
Also, is that vessel we touch at the end with ours fashioned after Albrecht himself?

[@magdolnakruppa5081]

Honestly I thought that the vessels are the Entrati family. One in the middle (a woman) looks like Mother and one lying down resembles Daughter. I could be 1000% wrong, but their features just looks so familiar.

[@Psycorde]

@@magdolnakruppa5081 I thought the same thing first time I saw them

[@fatboi8639]

The man in the wall has been built up for so many years. Can’t wait to face this guy head on in the upcoming years

[@TheDsIEGE]

ME TOO.

[@manslayer691]

I don’t know if I want to fight wally through everything we went through and dealt with wally was there. Even in duviri drifter was still alive.

[@daydreamdirty]

I’d rather not- because in the end he’s worse than what DE will ever come up with.
They’ll make him be more tame so the rating for the game doesn’t plummet or change.
Personally if Wally’s goal was to devour all life and to take over every system, I could see this as being akin to Deadspace 3 with that whole mess of the whole moon being turned into…. IT….. ugh no more spoilers.

[@John-Alighieri]

​@@daydreamdirtyOh god no please that moon twist was so dumb, i remember thinking that the monoliths were an alien artifact that morphed people into said aliens, i kinda was right but i didn't expect whole ass stellar bodies eating planets for shits and giggles.

[@Ace4573]

It would be opportune for them to bring back the 8 player raid with a build up of TMITW as the boss.

[@Saber9933]

I didn't hear Albrecht's last words to Loid at the start of the mission, but I used what I knew about the character to guess for the final line and I'm glad to say I guessed right.

[@annne6539]

Original Loid: "my Albrecht"
ME: They F*cken!!

[@worstfriend9456]

The only thing I learned from this
Omg old man yaoi

[@unscanned_kuria]

Honestly, youre my favourite warframe content creator and ive been looking forward for this video ever since the update released! thank you so much for another amazing video!

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you so much. I really appreciate that, and I'm really glad you enjoyed it!!

[@NyghtWolf]

YEEES! The overlay of Baals' voice is perfect! It's exactly the quote I was thinking of as I realized we weren't gonna have a fight in that moment. Absolutely perfect! Awesome video as always!

[@flownifacientbeatz8731]

Bro, you don't understand how I look forward to your videos. Your breakdowns help me see how deep and beautiful Warframe's lore is. I did realize that Orokin Society is based on Greek/Roman Culture paired with futuristic Sci-fi Elements. So Loid and Entrati didn't bother me as much. Great job as usual bro. You always amaze me.

[@TheDsIEGE]

I wanted people to understand the complexity of things so that they might enjoy this because it really was a fantastic quest. I'm so glad you enjoyed it. Plenty more to come!

[@NyghtWolf]

@@TheDsIEGEI love all the varied relationships between characters, & actually, your explanation track with Dagath's background too! Also a servant, assumedly in a pseudo-poly/casual relationship with the two Orokin she served.

[@QuietButters560]

Absolutely amazing interpretations here. Love the part about how the vessels are actually people and how the ending dialogue choice actually had a “right” answer. Lots to uncover over the next while. Can’t wait to hear what you have to say about what’s to come.

[@ethanvorn5153]

But it does raise concerns that we could be making wrong choices that could have consequences beyond our control. Because even if we pick a different choice in a replay, our choice in our first initial playthrough can't be changed.

[@hebbu10]

@@ethanvorn5153 Doubt there would be that many differences other than a different line for certain things like how Helminth has depending on your alignment

[@shuffle811]

Man, the sound design in this quest is absolutely peak. Every time I here those low chanting growls I get goosebumps, even after I've put dozens of hours into grinding standing and the Dante update. So mysterious and powerful, you can tell it's a voice, but it's absolutely unintelligible.

[@stevenarmstrong5467]

Yo, that ending boggled my mind. It makes me see that the void let you keep your essence, consciousness or spirit but in return you died, giving that dead body to the void which now puppets your corpse around. The drifter might be another part of your psyche that was also kept intact but had to be stored in an anomaly or paradox. A part of yourself that isn't a child.
My theory is the void is what creates life or sustains it but it needs materials to do so. A catalyst to inhabit to take shape and form from all the data that material contains. And humans must have so much tasty information to play with, compared to a star, an atom or even the complex machinations of the sentients.
The void has so many new emotions to experience and all the time in the world to toy with them. DE has got us in their game....are you willing to play to see if you can defeat the labyrinth of the corporate machine?
Trust me. I'm a senator.

[@andrechumela7439]

It was one heck of a quest, had been really waiting for some great lore expansion, but one thing I gotta say out of that is how greatly they nailed the audio on the damn thing, I mean bro, those songs will be stuck in my head for a while, and the singers voices are reeeally something, great work 👌👌

[@misspiggy9647]

I can't get over the soundtrack and audio....the acoustics of being in the lab are quite amazing.

[@andrechumela7439]

@@misspiggy9647 I've been hearing the OST of the song from the launcher after it finishes the update since that sucker has been stuck in my head 😂

[@miserable2978]

I've seen a theory lately that the voidtongue phrase "mara lohk" translates to void demon, and that's why its used to refer to us so many times. so when Tagfer is trying to get out attention by saying "mara lohk! mara lohk!" he's essentially shouting "Tenno! Tenno!" at us.
I wouldn't be surprised if the recurring question The man in the wall asks us ends up translating to essentially "can you hear/understand me, void demon/tenno?"

[@TheDsIEGE]

I believe it's void child, for the same reason you're saying. Tagfer wouldn't call us void demon.

[@KhanSahinkaya]

Awesome video, I love the direction Warframes story is going it’s so unique and abstract.

[@TheDsIEGE]

You and me both... It's a good time to be a warframe player for certain...

[@KhanSahinkaya]

@@TheDsIEGE absolutely been playing this game since its realise and I’m so proud of DE for being a beautiful company and realising a beautiful game, could have never imagined I would have been still in awe of this game 10 years later.

[@Dementis1049]

The amazing thing about Warframe is that they always manage to take the story in a crazy new direction but always planted firmly in insane sci-fi concepts. I only wish the story quests ran a little longer so we can revel in the insanity of the story and it's concepts more.

[@tevondelano]

Im glad your back giving us more lore buddy. I missed your content. Keep it up!!

[@Psycorde]

I get the feeling, that 1999 is going to be akin to Duviri in terms of content and structure, beside the quest itself
Open world set in 1999

[@daydreamdirty]

Duviri just bothered me because it felt too comical- but now I’m glad I’m wrong. It just wanted to have fun with opening up the emotional spectrum a bit

[@Szujhinzu]

Let's hope it'll differ in one specific matter - the release date numerous delays

[@John-Alighieri]

​@@SzujhinzuAnd the bugs.

[@mahmouddjellali2774]

I think an open world 1999 is going to be so sick and didn’t really like the duvri paradox world it’s just felt boring

[@Necroxion]

Or hear me out
It'll be Dark Sector

[@warchildsilver]

This has been one of my, if noty favourite quest so far. I absolutely adore the narrative and felt very fitting to the themes of the game as a whole.

[@TheDsIEGE]

It is one of DE's best without question.

[@thewarriorcat3271]

This quest has been absolutely fantastic. I’ve been loving exploring the laboratories and collecting note fragments from the whispers. I’m even invested in leveling up the Cavia just so I can see how their story plays out. DE knocked it out of the park with this one!

[@HalcyonRemnant]

One of the coolest parts of the man in the wall in general is how I have never really thought of it as a thing to kill, I keep parsing it more as a natural disaster we have to mitigate or avoid or clean up after in some way. I wouldn't put it past us to tangle toe to toe at one point because that's what we do, but it feels like the man in the wall will never truly be gone as long as there are people who might answer a knock on the door.

[@singletona082]

Siege. Including the ballas quote when you did just...
I WISH DE HAD DONE THAT!

[@TheDsIEGE]

Did you like that? As soon as I saw it in game, I knew I had to include that.

[@nissan.o4033]

​@@TheDsIEGE It blended in so well that I didn't even notice it wasn't part of the original quest

[@Eli_Guy]

35:41 Its curious that you mentioned the Tenno as a force that can win through both love and anger - considering the phrase "The opposite of love isnt hate, its indifference."

[@iurycabeleira7990]

Could it be that The man in the wall is Alberts Indiference manifested while "we" are love manifested from the void and the original human is the one of the Duviri paradox. The void was empty and 2 humans created the avatars of Indiference and love destined to battle for the sake of the universe, a recurring human struggle

[@soupgirl1871]

​​@@iurycabeleira7990 that would work if we didn't know fully how the Drifter came to be. They aren't the original, they're the only remaining version of the Operator from a different timeline where they went into the Void itself instead of accept any kind of deal. It is all based around eternalism yet not, as the deal has caused only the Operator and the Drifter's timelines to remain, it is weird and interesting

[@jasutinborchert4418]

I love how this quest goes more into the more esoteric and arcane part of Warframes lore

[@giraoshaw]

my one and only nitpick with this quest is that i wish Albrecht looked more like his portrait in the zariman. other than that i loved it and cant wait to see more

[@Zal-TheBug]

I can get why that felt like a let down, I can only guess that continuity had something to do with it, or this strange "rebirth" he mentioned in the codex logs. Kinda tucked away and not told directly though, as usual with this game. Either way, I get ya.

[@malaki7335]

He did look like that once. In his codex entries you can get in this update he explains that he was given new "skin" by Loid after what happened, falling into The Void, because his old body was all messed up.

[@tyr573]

​@@Zal-TheBugnew body

[@miserable2978]

the orokin were well known to choose new bodies as their old ones wore out. so any kind of portrait work would only be accurate for one lifetime even if they didnt end up horribly disfigured and needing to be healed as he was.

[@valor1omega]

Thanks to you I seen what I missed at the beginning due to the kavet distracting me.
Now I finally understand why so many actually got hit in the feels and the representation of those two massive statues.
Great video as well seeing has you have no true reference to lean on for it and had to go by what was given to us.

[@inductivebag4669]

I think lotus might have struck a deal with wally, to move lua into the void in old war, hiding her children within and keeping us safe from hunhow and stalker etc

[@oArquidruida]

this sure looks promising

[@roguespartan2854]

So if both us and her did make the same deal with him, things are going to get really complicated and nasty

[@thelynxter733]

That’s cool and all, but I wanna know what the wolf of Saturn six is doing. He isn’t dead he is out there and single handily took on the corpus and overcame amalgamation somehow!

[@Eli_Guy]

In one of the Veilbreaker missions, he was veiled by Narmer and is a boss battle
Kahl mercy kills him

[@reapordeath]

@@Eli_Guyno, he retreats just before being killed there too.

[@manslayer691]

I wanted to give the page to wally. Cause wally was the only one who gave us a chance and even supported us. Orokin tortured us and wanted us dead. Lotus tried killing us. The list goes on. The only thing that was there for us was wally and rell. He gave us immortality and powers. Wally even saved our sun from being destroyed by ballas.

[@TheDsIEGE]

I mean... you're certainly not wrong, lol

[@TheFallinhalo]

True but was that because it cares about us? doubtful the man in the wall only saved us because it wants something in return, its trying to turn us into its agent, it wants us and Clearly Albrecht for something.
the only question is, is that something good for the universe itself? or are we only saving oursaves in the short term but screwing us longterm.

[@manslayer691]

@@TheDsIEGE what’s funny is it wasn’t the orokin, lotus, or anybody else for that matter that saved us from the void. The only reason tenno exist and are alive in the actual sense of the word is cause wally saved us and sent the zariman out from the void. Even the hold fast faction is due to wally bringing them back from the dead. So if wally wants the page from a book made by an orokin wally gets the page from the book made by an orokin. Orokin have proven they have done more bad than good in every aspect of the word.

[@Jodariel.]

Ballas tortured us*
Lotus at the lowes point of her life, when she was more animal than Sentient tried to attack us from a chair where she was confined to*

[@manslayer691]

@@Jodariel. like I said if wally wants the book wally gets the book. Wally literally help become everything we are in warframe as tenno and they were very few orokin or anyone else who would have cared or help us. Hell margulus was executed just for helping kids. If given a page to wally to even out the deal I say wally earned the page or even the book. Hell wally wants to invade the system more power to him. At the end of it all our powers and everything else belong to wally so we are his troops in all aspects of the word

[@herrdoctoroetker]

A few thoughts:
The lotus flower might not refer to our Lotus, but the religious symbolism of the lotus flower.
As the beautiful flower grows from the muddy pond, something divine can grow out of our tainted physical existence.
In the case of the tenno, they pilot horrific mutated flesh zombies with their void devil powers, but they try to do good.
(The Lotus herself of course is a warmachine that turned into a maternal figure so it also works for her.)
Crushing the lotus flower would symbolize there is no escape from the muddy pond; we cannot escape the void's horror and the stains it has left on us (Wally).
I think Wally wasn't really trying to stop us because if we reach 1999 we will end up bringing him with us.
Unlike the lotus flower we see ourselves as, when we try to do good it will be tainted.
The implication of the void not being able to reach back to 1999 is quite interesting as well.
Important research is stored on pre-2000 PCs (even necramech designs), the handheld devices look like pre-2000 tech as well, and the "vaults" are pre-2000 rooms.
It would seem that even in the current time the conceptual "1999-ness" of the objects must give them some protection. Perhaps Wally cannot interact with or locate them without using us?
I wonder if the Y2K bug is more strongly connected to the man in the wall than it seems?
We already know the void blurs the lines between "real thing" and "concept".
But the void is also nothingness, it contained no concepts in and of itself until the Wall of Lohk was opened.
Like opening a door into the vacuum of space, it sucks in the concepts it is presented with.
Did the void become entangled with the concept of the Y2K bug somehow? Did Albrecht manage to do this intentionally?
Since the Y2K bug cannot logically appear until the date rolls over, it would be impossible for the man in the wall to interfere before then as well.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Yes, it's definitely possible.

[@Pdasniper]

I've never thought of a Loids position of a "servant" being demeaning. Immediately when they showed Albrecht and Loid dynamic during the sarcophagus scene, I thought that it's just a "crazy inventor" trope. Albrecht is revolutionary, always looking in the future and not holding back. Breaking ethics laws and leaving behind huge messes. He creates, invisions, and his lab is a mess. Loid compliments Albrecht by being more timid, order focused and grounded. He clears every mess and focuses on practicality and usefulness. In the end of the quest we see Albrecht realising that his decision to leave Loid behind wasn't a kind nor, frankly, a wise one. And he too needs a support network, that being Loid and party animals.
I think the relationship between the two is a common trope in media. They both have equal value in a relationship, they are just oriented on opposite stuff.

[@ducontra666999]

since i come to play warframe and noticed that was our solar system in a distant future, i always wanted to see how it looked like in it's prime, how the orokin lived, how they begun, and the story is probably tell how it begun.... does warframes existed since before the orokin? or did the orokin existed since when? what is the currect year in warframe? how many time passed? ho similar is the human history compared to our?, i hope one day we get at last some of those questions awsered.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Me too, and 1999 may offer a bunch in that regard, finger's crossed...

[@josephgrove4779]

When we took the vessel's pain away, I just smiled and that exact Ballas quote popped in my head too.
It's the main reason I main Umbra because us Tenno can fix a broken thing and I love that DE remembered that!
But also one thing I thought was, are we the tenno, starting to become as strong as the Man in the wall? Like yeah we made a 'deal' of sorts but the fact we can fight back (whereas most have ran or perished) I wonder if he the reason he wants us is because we can be a perfect solid form for him to take?

[@TheRandomYoYo]

On thing i have seen nobody mention. Loid is portraied in the biggining as being the janitor. He holds the hammer like a broomstick. And they make deliberate efforts to hide it the head of the broom until it is revealed to be a hammer. I truly think it is worth mentioning as it is indeed Loids quest. It all is about him as much as it is about the sequence. Why? Becuase Albrecht cared about him and by that so does the indifference.

[@luce6764]

I personally am not a lore expert at ALL but I just wanted to voice my thought, I didn’t actually think it was about Loid’s indifference but now I think it might be that and what I first thought.
I thought that since Albrecht is part of the man in the wall now (identity theft??? 😂) kinda well wouldn’t he also have the emotions of the people he has ‘become’? It feels kind of like weaponized emotions against the Indifference which i find interesting.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Well, maybe 1999 will shed more light on that, you never know!

[@ReviewersGuildArSR]

If Wally comes for Mama Lotus, IT'S ON!

[@Psycorde]

He can have her 😅

[@DeLawrence97]

Mama Lotus is now Creative Director, so coming after her would be unwise as she can just DELETE Wally from the game.

[@russellpierce3987]

Thank you for including the context behind Loid and Albrecht's relationship. People seem to find it confusing, unbelievable, or unfitting, but I think it makes complete sense and I'm very glad to see it in the game. The sort of softening of indifference at the ending to me feels very fitting if you look at the aesthetic of this expansion too. Cold, hard concrete will eventually erode into sand.

[@MindlessWarlok]

Something I hadn't thought about before this is at least the 2nd time we had an alignment choice that were not the tenno, is it possible the alignment is not *ours* but the indifference, I think that could still align with the psychology concept you mentioned previously and is quite interesting.

[@MindlessWarlok]

I just realized the last thing he said isn't a correct choice, in the book he says he wishes he could be worthy on the first day they met, at least I'm pretty sure that's the case

[@axelgoxin]

Oof that Ballas speech at 24:00 hit so much and makes that scene feel so much more emotional than it already was.

[@nuker6724]

The way Albrecht talks when he talks to us on the Pom-2 reminds me a lot of the Gman from Half Life, especially that one "TennnnNNNoOo"

[@vrontheweb3749]

Very apt analysis. I think it was genius to add that line from Sacrifice in the quest ending.. really adds more meaning like DE should have put it by default. I have different interpretation of that scene however.. That indifference could not be manifested by Entrati? When we go all the way to the far end where the giant vessel appears, we can find Entrati's pager. But all it took was the memory of Loid's affection that enabled us to calm this manifestation of the indifference which appears to be, in multitudes.

[@valor1omega]

Maybe it's just me but I think the reason Loid was being an a**hat to the tenno and the animals was because it was a shield to hide his pain.
He had to have felt betrayed, sadness, anger, and loneliness due to what happened with the man he cared deeply for.
Or maybe i am just overanalyzing it.

[@valeon7303]

About the infesteds new design:
The infested are part machine, right? Probably they use nanomachines which is why they mostly look like flesh, with the mutalist infested inhabiting pre-existing corpus proxies.
But in 1999, we don't have Moas and their personality constructs. We don't have nanomachines. We don't have orokin tech.
But we did have those clunky computers and monitors.

[@Cosmiccakecat]

The editing in these videos are really top notch. KEEP IT UP

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!!! This was my favorite video to make to date!

[@Cosmiccakecat]

@@TheDsIEGE Oh yeah, before it slips my mind again ( and if it isn't a bother to you); is it possible for other entities, similar to the man in the wall, exist in the void?

[@majorghoul9017]

I love the easily missed detail where, if you go out to that ledge where the quest ends, look back and up at the way you came from, you can actually see the Man in the Walls looming over the Sanctum

[@TheDsIEGE]

I translated it in the latest video!

[@LePeppino]

I really like the voice actor for Albrecht Entrati. I think it's a great detail that he speaks with a somewhat German sounding accent, fitting the hommage to Albert Einstein (as a German myself, it certainly sounds German to me lol).
Anyway, great video, really excited to see where this plot will take us next.

[@TheDsIEGE]

His name is stefan rudnicki and he's done some really impressive work!

[@BunBros]

I wished this quest was repeatable like the other lore quests were. I really wanted to dive into this deeper

[@TheDsIEGE]

Me too!

[@Cyberlele02]

I've been playing warframe since 2014 and when i finished the second dream i really fell in love with its aesthetics and story and every time i return for the story updates. Channels like yours really help

[@Eternalserpent915]

What question do you think the Indifference is asking? It has asked three times now, so it must seek an answer.

[@archyspec]

What I hope for in the future is for DE to do more with Excalibur umbra within the story

[@vinu414]

I shit you not I was checking back on your channel every day since the quest dropped to get the story of it.

[@gfussion]

Did any of you noticed that , that Harrow and Albrecht have the same pose ?
Standing with a straight back both arms on their back.
Could it be .... or is it just ....

[@Garbear0119]

God your videos are so good, they understand the storytelling of Warframe so well. My interpretation of the story was the indifference isn’t related to Loid’s emotions, but it is just now attacking cause of Ballas’ portal, no reason in particular other than finally being able to. However, the Tenno stopping the vessels I interpreted as both the tenno using transference obviously in combination with conceptual embodiment of Loid’s emotions taking form of the vessels as it mirrors the first scene, and that conceptual embodiment of love is what’s holding back the indifference.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you, I'm really glad you enjoyed it!!! It was a wonderful quest.

[@Garbear0119]

@@TheDsIEGEyeah! Edited my comment with my interpretation of the quest. It definitely feels like a prologue of awesome stuff to come

[@Noflyzone22]

I really wanna see more of what happens with arthur and a scene of how he became a giant vessel, a human warframe is just so interesting, just like when i saw umbra for the first time

[@TheDsIEGE]

Me too. This whole thing is crazy, I want to see how it all works...

[@thewarriorcat3271]

With the potential gathering of the agents of the indifference/doppelgangers, i've got the image of the doppelgangers standing around menacingly, wally in the background, perhaps even a Parvos Granum entity, and then there's just Baro Ki'teer standing in the corner grinning

[@arkdelta637]

Maybe the Void doesn't enjoy being manifested.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Very possible. I don't like being manifested either so... I understand.

[@montypython5521]

It would be interesting if "the man in the wall"s whole goal is to come entirely into reality so that he can destroy all void tech and people that know how to make and use it and then go back to a state of nonthinking existence or whatever he was doing before.

[@dominiccolon3465]

@@montypython5521the cavia briefly talking about the horror of suddenly “knowing” and I can only imagine that on the vastest scale possible being extremely overwhelming. I’d imagine and speculate that the void just wants his reality to be all of what is ours, or all that what is his (nothing)

[@Imsleepeebruh]

rEsUmE yOuR dUtIeS cOnStRuCt

[@natethegamergaming4057]

Awesome video! I love your concepts. And I love how a lot of them have actually become true.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you! You never know what's gonna happen but sometimes, especially when DE has a clear vision like right now, the context clues make a lot of things fall into place. We'll see how this fares in the future but for now, I'm really enjoyed speculating on all this!

[@Devalius]

Great job on the analysis! Definitely helped cover any of the areas of lore I hadn't quite figured out from my own investigation. I definitely agree that this is one of the best quests DE has put out yet, and I think I enjoyed it even more than many segments of the New War. I'm also quite impressed by how invested I've gotten in the story of the Cavia, I'm excited to see that video too when it comes out!
I honestly really like what the writers did with Loid and Albrecht's relationship. It not only makes sense based on some of the historic inspiration, but it's complex and flawed in ways I truly appreciate from a storytelling perspective, and I think some of those aspects are even more part of why it should be put outside the realm of pandering in my opinion.
Oddly enough it doesn't strike me as romantic necessarily, but still deeply intimate in an obvious way that's more along the lines of queerplatonic to me. But I'm absolutely willing to admit that's far more likely more personal projection unless anything is confirmed otherwise. I haven't seen all of Albrecht's notes yet either, and there could very well be something in there that dispels that idea. Still, headcanon is a fun thing I suppose!

[@SivaExperiment]

I think the question Wally is asking in void tongue is something about a truth. And it’s positing that the answer is the void

[@TheDsIEGE]

He's asking us something specifically... Mara lohk I think is "you"

[@godzelda123]

@@TheDsIEGE Hmm and isn't Mara the name DE uses for the Operator in their script?

[@SivaExperiment]

@@TheDsIEGE i can see how that is likely. i based my interpretation on the meaning of the known requiem words. but we dont know if they are a 100% accurate translation

[@spacey9707]

he's seeking for connection since he is the void entity, an empty entity

[@arkdelta637]

I can't help but wonder if the Man IIn The Wall is actuallyevil at every turn. Maybe the Tenno are being idiots. It wouldn't be the first time.

[@TheDsIEGE]

This is true...

[@95freakout]

Whatever we are doing is pissing him off. I THINK this quest is where for the first time we actually made him pissy and frustrated. When he is on that desk and he says if you keep... picking... AT IT. He seemed rather frustrated with us.

[@CatboyPrincess]

@@95freakout it's not good to keep picking at old wounds but also sometimes, wounds need to be lanced or intentionally re-opened to allow it to heal better/differently.

[@BespinGuard1]

30:16 5-10 years the fact that that doesnt sound too far off is wild to me, current gen consoles will probably be 2 generations behind the newest models by then

[@danandrewhibbard3872]

This quest answered a ton of questions, and left many more 😂
Awesome video Siege.

[@pustuleofyelough]

“Goodbye Loid,
I only wish I could be worthy of You”

[@kw8295]

I'm excited to be able to replay the quest in the future. It was extremely well done though.

[@ejperez3691]

For me, on the part that Albrecht told Loid that he wasn't worthy, it actually didn't say that for me. Instead all I got was "quiet whispers" and even when I listened to the audio I couldn't make out what he actually said. Maybe DE decided to change that part of the quest so there isn't an actual specific answer. I finally got to play the quest today so I'm a bit late to the game in a sense.

[@_WetSand]

I was really waiting for this one, since that my reaction to the quest was a big "wtf" moment (just like the rest of the lore, for me...)

[@GHOST-in-the-MACHINE]

Fun fact: "Cavia", in Dutch (and I assume in other Germanic languages as well), means "guinea pig", as in the animal. But in the context of them being animals that Entrati experimented on, it becomes a bit of a word play. Because while in Dutch, "cavia" refers *only* to the animal, in English, the word "guinea pig" has two meanings: that being the animal and the subject of experimental testing. And I doubt that was an accident when they chose that particular word for this group of creatures.

[@Goose-265]

Albrecht's last monologue kinda sounds like he's the other vessel

[@ariszjimenez8426]

This is why you are one of the S tier warframe youtubers. We have reached a stage of exciting speculation in warframe and you are the type that combines excelent narration with deep lore digging (for the lazy of us) all with matching editing. I leave you this comment to let you know that your content is appreciated and hoping that you keep uploading as often as you do

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you so much!!!!

[@ItsCrunkulous]

This segment at 24:00 was so well edited. Such a simple edit but appropriately added audio that reminded me pretty much what the tenno are pretty much known for.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Thank you! it just seemed really appropriate there...

[@ItsCrunkulous]

​@@TheDsIEGEit really was! I had honestly forgotten a lot of the earlier quests so this server as an excellent reminder.

[@MB-sq7yn]

One thing about the 'Khra'/time stuff, without its missing finger(s?) Wally is bound to what Loid and Fibonacci consider to be like timelines, or rather it needs to more respect cause and effect. I imagine its like it cant properly grasp reality and so has to follow at least some kind of rule in order to make things happen. Perhaps that is why it keeps making deals with people like the player and Baro, we make a cause to pair with the effects it is after. But if we rebuke it like in the end of the Whispers quest, then it can't complete the process and "achieve/gain mass" as Fibonacci put it, I suppose meaning it will have physical presence to which it will enact its will uncontested.

[@obsessivelychaoticdimwit9764]

I’m so distracted by the pure amount of style your revenant has.

[@tellmeninetails5819]

The indifference saying we broke the deal annoys me so much, like he brings up a new term like "Oh you gotta give me the page for the deal" like the guy didn't welch on the deal before by not saving our drifter with a "Uh technically you didn't say I had to save YOU."

[@TheDaxter11]

All I heard in the scene where Albrecht talks to Loid is "worthy of you" and I didn't hear that until watching a shitpost video a few days after I finished the quest, which makes me annoyed at my choice for what Albrecht said to Loid because I VERY NEARLY selected the "I was never worthy of you" option but went with something else at the last moment.

[@Yewrenegade]

Omg 26:49. I have never thought that was what he said to loid. I assumed from my gut feeling that he wasn't worth of him as I chose that at random, I never thought I felt chills picking that 3rd question now, dang

[@aquaticjay1016]

its kinda funny but this quest made me cry, the emotional weight it holds is immense and I think thats very commendable

[@Lakefront_Khan]

I'm starting get some real KH vibes.

[@TheDsIEGE]

Not a bad thing at all I'd say...

[@user-fy9zv7xr1m]

PLEASE DO NOT FORGET ABOUT THE CONSOLE NEXT TO LOID! someone apart from the cavia and loid was watching all of our history from the beginning! it wasnt the entrati so could have written those notes?!

[@SenseofNoneYT]

Excited to see what WF 1999 has in store for us. I enjoyed the little dip we had here. From what I understood playing this quest, the plan is to repair the device Albrecht Entrati used and jump back to a date before December 31, 1999 (because that timeline is "too late") probably in hopes of meeting Albrecht Entrati before good ol' Wally got to him. Or at least somewhere along those lines.
I'm not sure if the Tenno will physically jump back in time as Albrecht did, or is it just going to be another Transference method as we did here. Maybe we look for different vessels as they may be all different people in 1999. Like, maybe there's another one in there that is connected to Aoi, the girl on the call with Arthur, people speculate to be a Mag prototype because of the sounds over the call. So WF1999 could be use making multiple jumps back in time to find an Albrecht yet to be touched by The Indifferent.
Which also reminds me of how Arthur said he felt like someone was in his head. So it might just be that we're going to use Transference as a way to jump back in time, as the Tenno's Transference came from the Void itself so it could potentially have the capability to transcend time. It might sound weird that we're going to use it to control people back in 1999 but let's not forget that the Tenno control Warframes, which are essentially also humans.
Man, I don't know how DE does it but they've been on this constant stream of giving 1 answer while giving 2 more questions. But I do wonder what makes the Tenno special. I kinda feel like The Indifference's fixation on the Tenno might be because the Tenno might have be the first being to ever willingly strike a deal with him. Albrecht ran away and Rell shut himself off. The Tenno though, shook *his* hand. For a deal I'm not sure was properly stated. The Tenno got Void magic, but what did *he* get in return? Or is it something he has yet to get?

[@bombinghitmantv6090]

What if there's multiple entities in the void, that we've been collectively calling man in the wall. Like when someone new enters the void and gets a doppelganger, its really a different entity taking claim and senting a new bargain to get out of the void.