In Defense of Deen/Stay Night (A Newcomer's Guide to Fate)
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- A Glass Reflection Video: In Defense of Deen/Stay Night (A Newcomer's Guide to Fate)
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When you're told to start with the Deen adaption but ended up watching Fate/Kaleid instead
LUL
Ah I see. A man of culture.
Well really, Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya is the One True Canon anyway, so who needs to watch these spinoffs.
Fate/Kaleid is trash, and so am I. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Fuck Fate/kaleid, not even gonna joke about it being canon.
Something important that everyone forgets when talking about this adaptation is that Studio Deen are the ones responsible for giving us the legendary voice actors for the characters we love. There's a timeline where Deen didn't make the adaptation and we didn't get all the voice actors we love.
I can't live in a timeline where Shirou isn't voiced by Noriaki Sugiyama or Saber isn't voiced by Ayako Kawasumi. They're what made the characters iconic and I love their voices so much that if someone else voiced them I will literally cried.
"Do NOT watch Fate Zero first."
Me: Too late
Same...
Man, I really like Shirou.
Watching Kiritsugu pass his dream onto him- where in Fate he took it to the max. UBW is a contrast, where acceptance that not everyone can be saved was made clear to Shirou.
what an emotional rollercoaster.
Cant wait for HF.
Oh yeah, and Heaven's feel takes that rollercoaster and turbo charges it into oblivion. I'll just say this, Heaven's feel is the only thing that I've ever read that temporarily messed with my sanity.
@@Awsomemobs2000Theminecraftdude yeah mate
@@Awsomemobs2000Theminecraftdude agreed
@@Awsomemobs2000Theminecraftdude There's currently a petition for a new Fate/Stay Night, Fate Route Remake by Aniplex and Ufotable.
If you're interested, sign it and we will be getting a new Fate/stay night Anime.
Link: chng.it/YTMmCgdzx7
@@Awsomemobs2000Theminecraftdude If you're interested, there's currently a petition for a new Fate/Stay Night, Fate Route Remake by Aniplex and Ufotable.
Sign it and we will be getting a new Fate/stay night Anime.
Link: chng.it/YTMmCgdzx7
if ufotable gave fate route the brotherhood treatment, i would be happy.
that would be the best course of action
Ps: Deen/Stay Night will forever be forgotten
a lazy guy It wont happen because the original writer of Fate says he would have to rewrite the Fate route for an adaptation to even work.
Long Nguyen Not really, Brotherhood didn't erase the original 2003 adaptation of Fullmetal and Crystal didn't erase the 90's Sailor Moon anime.
No yes really because the anime diverges enough to be its own timeline that Nasu had to acknowledge that they are not the original
As I recall from an interview, Nasu was ok with rewriting parts of Fate so it would flow better with Zero and so ufotable wouldn't have to re-cover ground that was established with Zero, but doing so would have indefinately delayed production, so they opted for UBW instead since that was ready to go.
Honestly Arkada, you're not alone, because I share a very similar opinion with you and I am backing you up. Yes as an adaptation of the Fate route, 2006 is damn flawed, but so far it's still the only anime adaptation for the Fate route, which IMO has the most equal understandings for the characters as well as the best overall worldbuilding. It's the more standard type of story which could get fans acquainted to Fate before they go into the more deeper waters of Fate, and also has the most "complete" resolution of the routes. There are plotholes and spoilers due to the lack of depth for the other 2 routes, which I will admit was a flaw, but in the end I still stand that 2006 is the best beginner spot in Fate for anime fans overall too.
You're not alone.
Yes he said all that was needed and more. F/SN 2006 is where most people should start at least.
I agree as well. Deen's anime is where I started with Fate and it got me interested in the bigger picture of the franchise. It is flawed, yes, but it got the basic points of the world and the characters across which is probably what newcomers need before diving in (though it does have missteps with regard to Shirou's character).
On an unrelated note with Zero in mind, I do think that Fate's ending is the more fitting ending to follow up Zero.
i agree too since that's what i started with though granted it was the only fate anime out at the time but it was also one of the first few anime i watched but it's what got me into the whole fate franchise to begin with.
ExtremeSManpig you know, the deen one is what making me hesistant to dive to fate franchise. But after zero finished airing I do not care anymore about the others and immediately binge watching zero. Never I did regret it. Because when I rewatching it. It feels a lot different
ExtremeSManpig you can't forget that OP music either. All were good but Imo that is the best one so far.
As much as I agree UFOTable had the better works, I can't hate on Studio Deen's one because if anything at all, it was what got me so interested in the Fate Series. After all, I'm not too fond of visual novels so I'm even more grateful that the 2006 version existed. ^_^
for me this Fate almost prevented me from watching more Fate
i almost puked and had to drop it after 14 eps
1/10
and 10/10 for Fate Zero and UBW
Wrong attitude to have, bucko. Its existence has practically killed any chances of the Fate route being given a good adaptation, meaning secondaries and tertiaries will always experience this very intentionally linear story out of order. Sometimes nothing is better than something.
StygianSkies yea but you also have to consider the fact that there’s a good chance the ufotable version would never have existed without deens adaptation.
@@stygianskies4776 Wrong, do consider the possibility that without this and the UBW DEEN movie adaptation it wouldn't have sprung all these new adaptations by ufotable. Some people never read the visual novel and THIS is what got them into Fate, hell it got me into fate. It was probably not a successful adaptation but it got most of the job done and it might be the only adaptation of Fate we'll ever get. Besides the visual novel this is how it all of Fate began. At least it's something, take it or leave it.
@@lonelywolf140 There's currently a petition for a new Fate/Stay Night, Fate Route Remake by Aniplex and Ufotable.
If you're interested, sign it and we will be getting a new Fate/stay night Anime.
Link: chng.it/YTMmCgdzx7
I hope Ufotable eventually remakes Arturia's perspective with last episode attached. I don't think it has to resemble the original Fate route as long as it hits the same general basic information points somewhere along the way. Since fate as a route is designed to be mostly infodump and set up for rules and stories and motivations for later routes, they would have to change that in the first place. But i think it would be a good challenge for Nasu to try and write.
Tsukihime is much easier to adapt(like Sakaki shounen's manga adaption which is awesome) because Arc is the clear and present focal point of the series, so even if the farside isn't detailed, you can still have a wholesome story by including elements from other routes. FSN doesn't really work in that manner. By the way, you forgot that people should read Sakaki Shounen's Tsukihime manga adaption at some point too, as Fate Zero directly references Tsukihime elements and to get perspective on that, you'd have to either suffer through JC staff Tsukihime to get a weak experience or read the visual novel which is not ideal at this point.
Yeah, that would be cool. It's too bad that the "Last Episode" was written into the visual novel for the PS2 remake, after the anime had already aired. I hope they add it to the end of Heaven's Feel Blu-rays as a "visual novel completion" like the game did when all 45 endings were viewed.
i dont think that would be right, since its not apart of heaven's feel. It would also take away the point of a remake of fate which i still want to have happen
MrInuhanyou123 I wouldn't put it at the end of the feature film, but in the special features or something like they did for UBW True End in the 2014 adaptation's blu-rays.
My sister would definitely love a new adaptation of the Fate route too. However, I'm skeptical if they'll do a remake, but I'll hope for it.
Who says Kenji kawaii could not come back ey? :P
Saberian Dream I disagree. Ufotable's animation is just, unlimited budget works. And I totally want to see them remake the Fate route. But I do indeed hope that they got Kenji Kawai for the soundtrack. Even if they remake some parts of it, as long as majority of the plot remains untouched.
I actually liked the 2006 adaptation
same
Same, maybe cause i didnt read the visual novel which is why i couldnt rlly nitpick on the discrepancies and mistakes studio deen made in adapting the VN but as my first entry to the fate series/universe/nasuverse it was alright
Seth Reed yeah I mean the quality is okay, but I think I don’t like it because I’ve read the visual novel too many times.
I like it quite a bit. I dont like it nearly as much as other Fates, but the original Stay Night was where I started, and I still like it for what it is
I Love this Fate more than UBW.
I'm not sure about this, because I did watch Zero first. I loved it, then I went to watch the Stay Night stuff. After that I decided to go back and see Zero again and (besides noticing a few things I hadn't before) I really didn't feel any different towards it, or Fate in general.
It's not about what you feel about it or not. It just simply changes the experience, and once that you went through everything, you won't feel any different.
I went UBW to Fate/Zero and THEN mopped up the Faith stay night. I found that to be a really easy introduction because there is plenty of information in the first 2 episodes of UBW. Zero is the real gem so I agree with him that it's worth have the conception that everything being done is futile.
The Great Mizuti honestly if knowing spoilers really ruin a story, then that story is bad in the first place, after all it just men that syory is a series of bullet points withouth any interesting about it rather than the plot. And fate is not that, the themes, characters and universe (in that order), is what it makes it interesting.
You'll see with Heaven's Feel
people:"you ruined stay night to yourself by watching zero first". so stay night is a bad story
I watched Deen/stay night first and I’m so glad that I did so. When I watched Zero, I knew the ending, which added a layer of tragedy to it that made it even better in my opinion. Now I’m watching UBW.
I remember watching Zero then Deen stay night afterwards (I had just finished the VN+hollow ataraxia before that) and it was quite an experience to say the least, Saber's story wrapped up pretty nicely.
I watched Fate Zero... before realising it was a prequel to Fate Stay Night. Jumping into Fate Zero requires you to take so much information in
rrichiee1990 when I watched it, I didn't know shit about the fate series
for reals, first time I watched Zero I was trying to figure out who the MC was, and it was hella boring for the first half. Watched Deen/Stay Night, UBW then went back to Zero.
As someone who was lucky enough to have started with the VN, I totally agree. I used to shit all over the Deen anime on the internet and real life, even stopped one of my friends from watching it, probably killing his interest for the entire franchise in the process (I know, I'm an ass). Now that the UBW anime exists and the Heaven's Feel trilogy is on its way, I decided to revisit the Deen.anime with fresh eyes and yeah, not only is it necessary for people who want the full story without doing any reading, it's actually got some surprising attention to detail and holds up quite well in places (For instance, I used to hate that they showed that Berserker fight, but in hindsight it's got some cool foreshadowing for Heaven's Feel in it.).
I think the reason I hated it so much is that, back in the day, it was all that there was, and I was afraid that anime-only people would be missing out on all the things that make F/SN great.
I'd still recommend skipping Deen's version of the Caster arc (ideally watching the VN's Fate Caster scene on UA-cam instead or something) so you don't spoil yourself horribly for UBW and Heaven's Feel, but outside of that this is absolutely the best way to go about getting into Fate/Stay Night, barring just reading the VN, of course.
"Starting with Fate/Zero is like beginning Star Wars with Episode 1!" THANK YOU. I've been saying this exact thing for years.
Hey I know it's been a year but I wanna ask you since the VN there's 3 reads including Fate and since the anime adaptation is not that good is it a good idea to read Fate road in the VN and then watch the others as adaptations anime/movie without reading them bc it'd be long as hell and then lastly watch zero ??
Lola if you’re still looking for advice that’s a good way to do it! There’s a lot more packed into the VN but if you want to jump into the anime reading the fate route should be fine following it up with UBW then HF and FZ. With the second HF movie out you can honestly jump into FZ too since huge revelations are in those first 2 movies
@@numericalhorror185 ey thank you! Actually I read all of the vn and watched every existing fate anime 😂😂 you can say I'm a fate trash now
Caster's arc was the final arc of deen's adaptation right? Asking cuz I started fate watching that and enjoyed it quite a bit. Though I do have to agree with alot of the hate it gets (shiro's personality, overall execution) I'm on zero now but I'm glad I watched the deen 06 adaptation for world building purposes and I do hope my questions about Hercules's master from deen are answered in zero regarding her resemblance to daddy emiya's main squeeze.
>people who want the full story without doing any reading
Here's your issue. These people don't deserve human rights. They're the bane of intelligent discussion and hurt online communities. Better to gatekeep than introduce poison, lord knows Type Moon doesn't need any extra cash
You are not alone.
Deen's F/SN brought me into this universe.
While it was not as well animated as Ufotable's work, I think it got more scrutiny than it deserves.
The plot is good - keeps the tension most of time. And the animation holds itself pretty well, considering it's age.
Would recommend anyone to watch it first.
I really wish I had finished Heaven's Feel before watching Fate/Zero. I'm barely into the route and it's already had some revelations I would've thought were mindblowing had I not known them from Zero. Listen to this man. DO NOT WATCH ZERO FIRST. Play the game. Watch Deen. Watch a playthrough on youtube if it has to come to that. Just don't ruin the story for yourself by watching Zero first.
I just did. Never did the research about 'correct' order, so figured starting point by playing with MAI prequel/sequel/alternative section. Now I feel that I'm fucked :/
same
to late
Finally someone mentions playthroughs of the vn
I personally didn't really mind the spoilers... My only issue was how hard was it to enjoy HF due to the events of HF. (Unfortunately for me, I a sticker for details and Deen/Stay Night already kept me on guard thanks to Sakura's kidnapping. The literal flower petal on Shinji's Book sure didn't help and Rin kissing Sakura's forehead instantly screamed into my head "They're siblings aren't they.")
(I've started playing the VN after that. Since its Realta Nua, you could play it out of order and because I wanted to save UBW for last and I basically just saw Fate route in Deen/Stay Night, I started with Heaven's Feel. Because of technical issues I lost all my data and stopped at the scene just after Nine Lives Blade Works. Didn't feel motivated to replay until recently. Thus I watched Fate/Zero.)
What Fate/Zero does to me instead is feeling like I'm being lead astray.
The ending of Zero had me thinking "So that boy is going to inherit Kiritsugu's dream to save the world? I wonder how he's gonna do it.", "Poor Saber... but that sunlight shining through the clouds though. Maybe her someone can finally save her heart." and "Well, Gilgamesh is still around. I wonder what epic fight scene is going to happen with him."
Heaven's Feel pretty much shoves all three of my expectations into the shredder.
Saber becoming Saber Alter in particular just depresses me.
And personally I found Rider too boring to care about her being the main Servant of the Route. (I really love her in Hollow Ataraxia though).
Shirou Emiya: People die when they are killed
Dr Gilgamesh: Hold my wine
Just because you're correct, doesn't mean you're right
Archer Class Really Is Made Up Of Archers.
I wonder how many people in the comments just watched Fate/Zero and now assume they know everything about the Nasuverse and call everything else in it, "trash"
BlackYakuzu94 : One, if you count your imaginary friend.
BlackYakuzu94 ALOT, as i have seen and read by now
There's A LOT of them here. And it's really frustrating.
It is trash though
Anime at least
I've seen pretty much all the fate anime released and zero is the only good one so far tbh, deen's is horrible, UBW is also very bad, grand order along is bad but having played the game it's nice to see animated, apocrypha seems good so far, and prisma illya and khaleid are just prisma illya and khaleid
So aside from the VNs and LNs yes everything other than zero is either mediocre or horrible
Though fate/extra adaptation will be great
Q.M you do realize Zero is based on a LN right
sorry...but I have a confession to make.
I watched fate/Zero first.
in fact I went: zero, ubw, then stay night.
honestly though, no regrets.
adoranymphlupin i went zero stay night ubw vn
I watched Zero ---> Stay night.
Haven't watched the rest yet, but Stay night was painful to watch because in Zero Saber is a way better character, I mean, the fact that she was a woman NEVER played a role in the story, which was very interesting to me. She wasn't a badass woman, she was just badass, you know? And then on fate Stay night, we have the protagonist trying to be a "gentleman" and protect her. WTF?
Chris yeah...that whole bit where shirou's like, "girls shouldn't go around carrying swords!" kinda needled me. I can still enjoy the thing overall though because I do love the voice cast for the subbed version. (thank you carnival phantasm and fate/Zero drama cds)
Chris You should have read the visual novel, Fate 2006 handled characters really badly.
Chris
>Zero Saber
>badass
How? She got trashed by everyone left and right. Her ideals and way of living were humiliated and she had a master that treated her like a piece of crap. No, having motorcycle and a suit doesn't makes her "badass"
In Stay Night while things don't start completely okay, Shirou does develop outside of that protective mentality and Saber develops more as a character, getting a moment that is far beyond anything badass that she did in Zero
Watch all the Fate anime! You really can't go wrong but no matter what you watch you should check out the VN.
wow it's nice to see you here.
Eniggmaa Incognito I agree with a lot of his stuff.
just play realta nua version if you don't want any sex scenes.
To understand fate you Must go back to the origin.
Very True
"Starting from Zero is like watching Star Wars but from Episode One."
Heck, I only knew about Star Wars after watching Episode III in theaters, but then a local TV station aired all 5 other movies in release orders, so I know a little bit more about the universe.
Not notification squad - just always lurking on UA-cam squad
life.
Amifix Sad but real
I watched Deen’s adaptations first. Maybe that’s why ufotable’s UBW seemed unsatisfying (story wise). Also Saber’s character development was beter in deen’s adaptation.
Almost everyone's Character development was better in the Deen/stay night.
@@shawnwarrynn8609especially Rin who is an silly tsundere in ufotable adaptation
Thank you for making this, this was super helpful! I've wanted to get into Fate for years, but whenever I ask an anime fan about the watching order, no one really knows where to start. Not even TV Tropes could answer this one. And you're my favorite anime reviewer, so at last, I have a watching order that I trust!
DEEN Stay Night was my entree into fate in 06...i was one of those people just tuning into the premiere in Japan because i had seen pictures of Arturia online and i wanted to see what her anime was liket. I was not into Type Moon at the time, even though i had seen the non existent JC staff Tsukihime adaption years before that(i didn't make the connection between the two's origins until later).
Fate Stay Night 06 still plays a special place in my heart and ignited by love for everything Type Moon, Arturia and everything in between. Sure it was flawed and DEEN really didn't put a lot of effort in, but it was still enjoyable. I even liked UBW DEEN movie for what its worth.
Holy.. so you really got spoiled on one if not the most crucial character twist in the whole vn form the get go? Wow.. did you go back and read the vns, your style of writing implies it, i hope you did.
I have experience of pretty much everything in Type Moon, so yes visual novels, light novels, the extended universe games(extra, melty ect). And i think the "spoiling" nature of FSN 06 is overstated. I didn't catch anything originally back then outside of Rin and Sakura having some kind of connection that was lightly implied. I was still very shocked when i read the VN and got what was actually going on
I love this anime, for me it's where it all began
Aight people, round up, for I am about to ask the hardest question ever.
Which one is more convoluted, the Fate series, or Kingdom Hearts?
ᵃˡˢᵒ ʷʰᵉʳᵉ ᵗʰᵃᵗ ʳᵃᵖ ᵃᵗ ᵗʰᵒ
Also also, WATCH CARNIVAL PHANTASM
AND READ THE ILLYA MANGA
Irfan Fakhrianto kingdom hearts
Irfan Fakhrianto monogatari series too
Fate by a landslide.
Irfan Fakhrianto Kingdom Hearts needed a complete remake of KH2 which added and reworked the story just to make it make sense.
Irfan Fakhrianto fate, cause Fate is part of a much much bigger whole called the nasuverse in which each series is a puzzle piece that strings together the most esoteric lore I've ever seen... and most of the series are canon glimpsing into at least 1 new aspect of the universe every time so if you want the full story, you have to watch or read all of them... so Fate is more convoluted
I personally would like to thank you GR, in this Quarantine I was looking for something good to watch and I thought “well...if there’s anytime to get into Fate, the time’s now.” While thinking of what to watch first, I remembered watching this video and a few other videos you made years ago saying “start with Deen.” So that’s where I started, and I regret nothing. The Deen series is honestly not that bad, it’s not great or anything but it felt like an okay beginning, then I watched Zero and loved it, then UBW and also loved it, and I just finished Apocrypha and it was good (Mordred and her master should’ve been the MCs). Overall, I’m now part of the fandom thanks to you, I took your advice and ran with it. Now I’ve got no regrets and can’t wait to see the Heaven’s Feel movies
With my recent and strangely curious tendencies of the franchise, it is oddly appropriate how you've come to make this video for people like me who are interested in watching the anime but not knowing where to start with it. Thanks man, I'll definitely get started in the order you've described. Not only was I going to start with that particular adaptation, but now I have a better idea where to run to next after I'm done watching it. Props mate and have a good day
"Deen/Stay Night" was the show that hooked me and made me a fan of the Fate series. It will always have a place on my shelf.
Starting with Zero is like starting with phantom meanace (like I did when I was a kid)
edit: well fuck, he said it himself
Tobias F 1. watching the video 2. commenting
Except the phantom menace is by far the worst film while Zero is by far the best show
Tobias F I don't think that comparison works, because those films were (however erroneously) intended to be watchable chronologically. Watching them chronologically isn't some kind of alternate way to view them, it's intended, regardless of it making no sense. And also they were kind of garbage, unlike Fate/Zero, so there isn't the impetus of "well, this is the best part, so why not start there?"
Believe me, starting from FZ is the worst thing you can do in regard to watching fate. I myself start from FZ, was mildly interested in the fate franchise as a whole and start digging in, i.e. reading the VN. And as stated as the video, most of the story crucial revelations and plot points are casually given out to the viewer in episode 1. Yes, most of the revelations in a story that could be considered a mystery story. Not a good sign there. All the suspenses and shock factors when all those revelations are mostly lost when I read the VN, which is really a dead sentence for most mystery stories out there.
Still, I continue on reading it, and complete it. A really good read, every revelations are executed better than FZ did (of course it did, FZ basically just lightly touch those plot points before moving on). I decided to re-watch FZ. And it really surprise me as I went through it, I noticed a lot of subtle points that I didn't see in my first time watching. The context of FSN adds up an entirely new layer of meaning to FZ, enhancing the watching experience so much it feels like I am seeing a completely different anime.
So yes you should start with the VN, the best way to getting in the fate franchise IMO. Or at least the fate route, then proceed on watching whatever you like. Well it's fine if you choose not to, I can't really force you.
I'd argue that is an extremely flawed analogy. It's more like Starting the Godfather at part II. Diving right into the best part and infer the background from context.
Ironically I started out with Zero but then dropped it because the first episode which felt like two episodes, was boring. THen later on after hearing more and more about it, I picked up Deen's version since it seemed like a decent place to start and it explain things really well. but then I watched Zero without realizing that it was a prequel, then UBW. After all of that, got too impatient and decieded to read the VN for HF, Fate HA and even the recent Fate Apoc. Good franchise really
Glad you made this video, I've wanted to check out this series after finding one of the opening songs on youtube and loving it. But between all of the visual novels (which I really don't feel like reading), anime and games(???) I had no idea how to even start. Thank you.
it was by accident when I bought a bootleg of studio deens F/SN, and I fell in love with the lore and the characters, and lately I've been binge watching the rest of the series again, UBW and heavens feel, then zero and apocrypha.
Finally! I'm glad someone else shares my opinions on Deen/Stay Night, a big anituber at that.
Sure, D/SN is not perfect by any means, the ending is a mesh of the 3 routes plus original stuff, and the production values are nowhere near today's quality. BUT! Like Arkada said, D/SN is the best start, imo.
F/Z was created AFTER F/SN with the mindset that you already know what happened in F/SN, to show the futility of the characters in a tragic way. And that's the point of F/Z.
D/SN gives us the basics, the necessary knowledge required to advance to the rest, premise-wise, story-wise and character-wise. The 1st route in the F/SN VN is the Fate route... what D/SN adapts, and while it's not an amazing adaptation, it HAD to not be one. Having a perfect adaptation of the Fate roue wouldn't have worked. Completing the Fate route in the VN leaves much incompletion and questions, but that you can quickly see answered by playing UBW and then HF. But anime don't have that freedom. Meanwhile, watching a perfect Fate route adaptation would leave a sense of incompletion, but you wouldn't be able to check a UBW anime because, well, there wasn't any.
So changes were necessary to give an ending that felt the most complete possible, to a story that originally isn't complete to begin with. If anything, what Deen did is very commendable. They gave an ending to something that didn't have a proper one, bc you could continue to two other stories to fill the gaps left in the 1st story.
Deen/Stay Night has its issues, of course, but it is the best starting point for anime watchers. Playing the VN is best, but not everyone can play through 50+ hours of a VN. For anime-onlies, D/SN is the best start, imo.
Even without time you can manage something like, one day in-game of reading everyday.
And you know, even if you don't do that, I think I'll choose to wait for optimal condition to do the best medium over having to do it in shitty way anyday.
But not everybody can or wants to play VNs, some people have low patience, some others don't like the structure of VNs, etc. For those people, D/SN is the best proper start. It's not a shitty way either, like I've said before
Diversification is good, you can't just stay in your zone of confort
i honestly want a remake of this anime over anything else. the first half needs to be reworked and second half needs minor touch ups(i really like it).what is kinda sad tho is that they never properly actually explained shinji as a master.they could have done it in ubw,but we all know they didnt have the direction and time(only 1:45:00) to even fully adapt the actual focus of the route
I remember watching this anime when I was 7 and that’s how I got introduced to the franchise and it’s been my favorite franchise ever since.
Oh wow, i'm kinda envious of you and that is not sarcasm. I really wonder what a childhood growing up with fate must've been like. I had DBZ, but i'm not so sure that was as amazing as fate is in hindsight for me.
Bazzy Fate is just epically awesome.
There's currently a petition for a remake/reboot of the Fate Route.
If you're interested sign the petition and we will be getting a new anime remake/reboot of the Fate route.
Here's Link: www.change.org/p/aniplex-inc-fate-stay-night-fate-route-remake-by-ufotable?US%3A3&recruiter=1213218007&recruited_by_id=2fc96c90-d74f-11eb-b056-05f9baaab859&
Every time a friend of mine or anyone wants to know how to get into the Fate franchise, I send them this video.
Thanks for your video I didn’t know where to start and looking back listening to your advice fate stay night was the best starting point❤️
This can't be said enough, Read the VN!!!!
Fukou Da why does everybody keep saying this
Because it's good, it's the best way to experience the fate series, and do not watch zero first.
Because it gets you the most detailed story, its a damn book. Would you even attempt the same argument if this was a normal book vs tv show or movie, no of course not. Its generally accepted that this is the case and so it is for VNS, LNs and sometimes even Manga vs Anime as well.
Fukou Da *BeCaUsE iT's ThE bEsT wAy To ExPeRiEnCe ThE fAtE sErIeS*
Just cut the excuses. Either way we'll all read from the wiki and ridiculously claim we read the VN, interviews and articles. It's all about personal preference. Nobody's missing out on anything when the Type Moon wiki exists for reference and clarity.
@@nottomiokagiyu9830 lmao reading a wiki page =/= experiencing the original work
this applies to all art and entertainment
t. read the Fate route, currently reading UBW
I started with apocrypha because I didn't know what a fate was and just saw "best girl" on the preview card on Netflix
Then I watched UBW, then zero
Arkada, thank you. I agree with you wholeheartedly about the order for this majestic series.
I also want to thank you on a personal level. Your shows helped me reconnect to anime after so many years away. from the art form. Thanks to you I learned to appreciate so many anime series I would normally had dismissed. Also last year I was going through a hell of a year. While I was living in South Africa I discovered your channel and you opened my eyes to many animes I never even heard of or considered.
I was wondering if you could possibly cover 2001's Noir?
Stay awesome kind sir!!!
Thank you, I needed this video
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I'm think I might watch Deen/stay night
I completely agree with your order of watching. I personnaly followed it when I first entered the "Nasuverse".
I want to thank you for insisting on the importance of Deen/Stay Night.
Of course the show isn't perfect, it has some flaws, and I would rehabilitate it only under certain conditions, because it suffers from technical weaknesses, pacing issues and slowness in general. BUT sometimes, one forgets all the qualities of Deen's adaptation of Fate, notably the magnificent score of Kenji Kawai, the subtle and full treatment of a superb and cruel love story, and the most affectuous presentation of Saber, an exceptionnal goddess that inhabits my dreams for months now, since I discovered the anime.
Thanks for this video, and please continue your great job ! -- A belgian physicist otaku :D
Thanks you for making this video😄
thank you so much for this video i have been lacking the order for this anime! :)
I started watching this recently and thankfully began with Deen/Stay Night and would agree it's an ideal starting point if you're new to the franchise. I watched the first three episodes of Unlimited Blade Works yesterday but I'm leaving it there and will start Fate/Zero tonight, once that's done I'll return to UBW and after that I want to watch Fate/Apocrypha.
Same here! It took me longer to figure out what to watch first than actually watching all of DEEN. I enjoyed it quite a bit.
Keep It Zen Haha unlucky, thankfully the first thing that popped up on Google suggested the correct order for me. I finished Fate/Apocrypha last night and have really enjoyed the Fate series as a whole. Can't wait for Heaven's Feel.
Last time I was so early, was when Fate/apocrypha ep 1 subbed came out ;)
*Thank you sir, you are a life saver*
i was browsing netflix a year or so ago. I saw a interesting title of an anime: Fate/Zero. I said, what the hell why not? Thus my journey into Fate began. I am so sorry. that said, i do agree with you GR! i had no idea what was going on and felt like i was missing a ton of context.
I thought Deen's adoption was not perfect but was enjoyable and was a good way for me to get into the series as it mashed up the three routes which let me dip my feet into the pool by focusing on the fate route mainly
yay a fellow VN reader that agrees newbies should start with D/Sn. You should watch it for its goddamn soundtrack
Bearded Sifu you should watch because Saber is by far best waifu
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I AGREE 100%, ARKADA! Great discussion, dude.
I have waited so damn long to find an in depth answer to the watch order that's best! THANK YOU I CAN FINALLY WATCH THIS SERIES!
Started with Zero and personally I still enjoyed the original Fate/Stay Night anime. Currently on episode 3 of UBW and already loving it. But no matter what, definitely watch Deen/Stay Night because if you look past the animation and the amount of flaws in the story, you will find yourself enjoying it.
Arkada as also someone who's HEAVILY invested into the nasuverse, I have to politely disagree with you on the optimal watch order. I do agree Deen Stay/Night should be first as it's the closest thing to the Fate route. However I would put Fate/Zero AFTER Heaven's feel all on the notion that the original light novel was written with the assumption the reader has read all 3 routes.
For me it hurts the most because Sakura's backstory was the defining moment of heartbreak for me in the series, Fate/Zero has spoiled that to the mass populous and none of them, in my opinion, will experience the same amount of sadness that was realizing the happy cheerful girl was a broken mess. How you read 2 full routes getting a sense that Sakura was pure and then getting hit with her full tragedy.
So ya, I would recommend Deen Stay Night, ufotable UBW, ufotable Heaven's Feel, then Fate/Zero as the best way to experience fate.
Is heavens feel a movie?
I guess it will need more than one to finish the route. Not sure, though. I dread how much they will change the arc to make it pg.
@@bazzy5644 It is a hard R series so far.
I would disagree with you, mainly because the FZ and HF anime adaptations were written in a way where HF pays off Zero. I would agree if someone isn't limited to just the anime, because the visual novel and the light novel fall into what you are saying, so then yeah. But the adaptations by Ufotable are absolutely written so that it starts with Zero and ends with HF.
I mean TBF Deen/Stay Night got me into the series all those years ago and you get to listen to that great version of Disillusion
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Thank you for this I alwyas wanted to watch the series but didn't know where to start
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Thank goodness I watched Deen/Stay Night first
I get what you mean, but I feel like Fate/Zero works the best as both an introduction AND a stand-alone story if a newbie isn't sure how into this giant crazy franchise they actually want to go.
I also can't think of much that's important in Fate route that doesn't get covered or done better in the other two routes and/or Zero so I'd personally only recommend D/SN to completionists or as something entertaining to have on in the background [This is all obviously a moot point to anyone who wants to read the vn first and LBR, most people aren't gonna want to do that].
I tried to watch Fate/Zero based on commenters' recommendations a few years back when it came ou, tand I was very confused and had no idea what I was watching.
Now that I watched Deen/Stay Night based on your recommendation, I feel like I'm watching a completely different series!
Thank you!
Its becasue it is a different series. Stay/Night is one Series that is based on a VN and Zero is based on a LN that came years afterwards, hell Zero has not even made an attempt as naming itself Stay/ Night/ Zero or some shit, that should be hint enough.
Do not get me wrong i do like Zero, but its painful to see so many assume it is part of the same source matrial. If you only enjoy Zero you are a Zero Fan, Not A Fate/Stay Night one.
I watched it in your suggested order. It was awesome.
anyone playing fate grand order I honestly love the story
i am
Nkosilathi Sibanda I rolled Gilgamesh in my first try along with saber
Ethan Yen Lucky!
The Emu Queem I screamed on the bus when I got it and everyone stared at me lol
Finished what's available and now stuck on farming EXP cards
If there is one thing I can say about Deen's Stay night, Nothing beats Arturia's theme and I mean nothing
aye vro this is the best anime channel out there the structure, content, and how this dude is not a weeb is all perfect I just subscribed after watching like 15 vids today. you should so upload everyday if you can.
Thank you so much! it seams less daunting now that i know in what order to watch the Fate series.
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Been wanting to get into the Fate series of things for a while, this will be helpful thanks :D
john for a tip, the entire VN is on LParchiev, as in the text written out, with some commentary that can be ignored, in case you have a problem getting into the VN format like I did
No matter how hard I try I can't get into visual novels I can't fully grasp their worth, even Steins; Gate I bought on Steam but can barely get to the first D-mail before just rewatching the anime. So I'll listen to Arkada's recommendation, and watch Fate Stay/Night 2006 when I have time. Still I'll check out LPArchive, thanks for the suggestion!
john The one on LParchiev reads like a book, as all the choices are made and the bad ends can be red seperatley
john you don't like to read huh
john Start with Fate zero, you'll get all the suspens that way.
Thing is, Fate/Zero spoils you less of UBW or F/sn than F/sn or UBW spoil you of Fate/Zero. If a person were to watch F/sn first, they wouldn't have the crushing suspense of not knowing who will win the Grail War, who will win the battle between Saber and Lancer, or what Kotomine Kirei will do. Having watched Fate/Zero first, Kotomine's entire character was a shock to me every time he did something, it was great, but if I were to watch F/sn first I wouldn't have the same reaction.
Heck, Fate/Zero explains the Grail Wars better than any other Fate anime. It is also the anime that's the easiest to recommend to a person who isn't familiar with Fate. There's a difference between recommending an anime where the main plot is Shirou wanting to fuck the servant he summoned and recommending an anime where the main plot is a full blown war waged by various mage families for a pseudo-miracle making device.
The futility of everyone's actions is something every viewer should have known.
DaPiePiece ¨ fate zero heavily spoiles heaven feels route which is the best route.
That's why I love Fate/Zero but dislike FSN.
Fate/Zero is a prequel. That's the whole point of prequels, you are supposed to be "spoiled" (damn I detest that word) of the ending. That's also the essence of tragedy - you are supposed to know that everything the characters do is futile.
DaPiePiece ¨ I agree with you.
Heh. Been meaning to start this series, but had no idea WHERE to start. Thanks, Arkarda!
I appreciate this video because I watched the first episode of Fate/Zero 2 year ago, and I didnt understand jack shit about it. It made me drop the series and anything related to Fate. So now I know where to start, Thank you. :)
Keep in mind Zero is a prequel, so it does expect you to KNOW all about /Stay Night! So even his recommendation to put it in between will spoil the upcoming Heaven's Feel movies. But hey they will take years, its save to assume you have forgotten about it by then, lol
Just read the Visual Novel. No matter the adaptation there will always be details left out when adapting a Visual Novel to an Anime due to the very nature of it.
This and it sometimes is even more terrible. A great example would be the time loop arc form steins;gate, wehre for the first time we saw what could happen if you ignore your moral's in there. This, of course never made it into the anime. Its not the worst example i can think of, but it boils down to making anime "teen friendly" none the less.
Left out inner monolgues is best exemple of that
UFOtable's UBW assumes you've seen F/Z, while F/Z assumes you've seen Deen Stay Night. Deen Stay Night in turn drops a sprinkling of plot points from other routes that weren't adapted at the time, so they all spoil each other to some extent and there isn't really a 'perfect' way to watch this franchise.
I ended up starting with F/Z simply because if there are going to be spoilers no matter what, I'd rather have a good anime spoil a mediocre one rather than the other way around.
Fate/stay night 2006 doesn't really spoil that much besides the Caster storyline in UBW. Aside from that, it only hints at a relationship between Rin and Sakura.
i agree!! i really hate the argument dont watch fate zero first because it will spoil UBW. Just finished UBW and youre right so many details and reference from UBW to zero just skipped through with assumption that people watched zero already. Like damn kitsurugi and sakura part are so insignificant like i didnt care to know more about them based on UBW but that's fine because Ufotable assumed that people know about their story because people watch zero already. so zero-UBW combo works for me.
I knew nothing about the fate franchises and whenever the blurays i got it as a gift fate zero and i think that not knowing the tragedy of Emmia makes the anime so much more impactful but that maybe that i related to him more that way either way its my favorite anime.
I agree, my introduction to Fate is when I bought a copy of the Fate/Stay Night(Deen/Stay Night). I don't know if it's through Fate that after partially finishing it, I saw that the UBW would be released. it did help me in the lore especially when I'm watching Fate/Zero, UBW, Fate/Kalied Prisma and Grand Order. Now so hype for the upcoming Heaven's Feel and Apocrypha.
UBW was what got me in to anime. It was on Netflix and it piqued my curiosity. That was about 15 months ago, and anime has basically taken over my life since. The only thing I had watched before that was Evangelion.
me:saber is my waifu
friends: Dude saber just die
me:people are die when they got kill
when video says not to do one thing...and you already did it
*suddenly you don't own me starts playing*
Well, thankfully I did watch the Fate series in the order you put forward already. I actually enjoyed Deen's adaptation (even though it's not the greatest). And your points about Zero and UBW being written under the assumption that you know the material that came before is spot on. I can honestly say that I would've been super confused while watching Zero if I did not know about how the Fate universe works and the events that built up to the start of UBW. Awesome video Arkada :)
I would.....*cough* suggest to read before anything else Tsukihime ,Plus DISC and Kagetsu Tohya *cough*
To be honest thinking about the order of watching vs order of airing, I wonder how is the Heaven's Feel gonna be directed. Fate/zero is created with prior assumption that readers know about Heaven's Feel, while the anime is airing with the direction mindset of Fate/zero come 1st, Heaven's Feel latter. I am going in without the experience of VN, so I'm intrigued either way.
They will need to change a major plot detail to make it even pg friendly. Its still based off of the VN that was stay/night so it will have to stick to that, its the third route. I dunno how you can assume zero has even anything to do with stay/ night. It has not, its not even based on the same vn. My guess is they will not take it into consideration at all, or if they do will try to use flashbacks to it, maybe? Its a damn clusterfuck.
@@bazzy5644 because ubw expects you to know zero through some references to it(even tho it literally didnt do shit with them.my hype was wasted )
Oh thanks.You saved me by telling me in what order to watch this anime.
Ended up watching UBW first mostly because I didn't know any better, but I have to say, I thought it was a great jumping on point. Maybe that's because I don't know any better, but it definitely got me interested in the series as a whole.
Also, one thing I have to say about Stay Night and UBW having watched Zero, I wish a few more of the characters with past knowledge of events from Zero actually acted on that knowledge. Gotta give props to the UBW Abridged series for trying that stuff in really freaking well
As someone who DID get into the franchise with Fate/Zero, back before UBW even came out, I have to say that I actually felt like the story did a GREAT job communicating how pointless and tragic everything was on its own. Not that I disagree with you entirely. It probably would've been better to start with Deen's F/SN if I had known (still having trouble finding it actually), but it's not as big a deal to start with F/Z as you make it out to be.
Of course it is.
One of the major revelations was the rin and sakura twist, that was spoiled by Zero, becasue it assumed you knew the entire VN, Fate, UBW and Heaven's Feel already!
It even happened to myself, so i know this was the case and it lessened my enjoyment of the VN after i went into that as a result.
It will also lessen your enjoyment of the heaven's feel movie and oh boy will this not work as a pg story, i can tell you that much.
But won't Zero spoil HF aswell?
Tobias F one of the major points in HF is revealed in a Very strange way on deen's adaptation.
the OTHER ONE MAJOR POINT is spoiled, though
As someone who has not played the VN and knows nothing of HF but has watched Deen/SN, UBW and Zero i can say for certain i would have never guessed Sakura had as fucked up a personality as she seemed to have.
Tobias F It kind of alludes to events in HF. I think it is better that way as otherwise HF comes out of nowhere.
That's literally the point of a prequel. Just because something takes place first chronologically doesn't make it a prequel. A prequel takes place earlier chronologically, but was written at a later time in order to expand the already existing material.
yes the grail being corrupted and sakura being some of the more major one imo
Great video man, I personally have also seen in this order and I recommend it too ;p
I'm one of the few that enjoyed Deen/Stay Night. It what got me into the series in the first place.
"Don't watch Fate/Zero first."
*Me who saw Fate/Zero first before watching this.* "....Fuck"
Saber and Kintaro me too buddy me too
Just read the VN you casuals.
nasucucks begone
@JourneyML1
I rather have porn and sex in my fiction then "cuddling gives you magic" bullshit. Besides the realta nua edition lets you choose if you even want the h-content enabled. So fuck off and have fun with a completely butchered third route. They will surely not include one of the most crucial plot points regarding sakura in the west. Damn tool.
I would if they would release it.
Arcueid Brunestud I am. XD
Many people don't realize that without the VN, this won't be an anime. It's its origin. Y'all should be thankful that this was made into an anime, because a lot of VNs out there weren't given the privilege to do so. It's like the movies that are based on books; without LOTR, Harry Potter, or Narnia books, you wouldn't have the movie rendition of them, no matter how bad/good they are into sticking to the book plot.
True Nasuverse fans of the genre will read and dig deep into the lore. Heck, they'll even watch Kara No Kyoukai and play Tsukihime if they really are into it. And for those who don't have the time, the VN has saves; when you play them and you're about done on a certain part, just save it, no problem, and then play it again when you're free. As for the anime, you'll need to actually have minimum of 25 minutes of free time in order to enjoy watching the entire episode. The VN, a few pages here and there, and before you know it, you already finished the route. Kinda like a book.
If, however, you're not able to even play the VN, then search the forums, or videos of Fate, as the foundations are basically flushed out at this point. They even have an entire wiki for almost each Fateverse that you choose. Sure, some will spoil you of certain details, but it's the next best thing you got for knowledge if you want to go deep into the lore/s. I did both when I had my free time/s. 10, 15 minutes? No problem. It all comes down to how much you really want it.
I don't know a whole lot about the fate series but around a month ago I watched the first ep of fate/zero and it hooked me instantly, it was so suspenseful the whole way through! So for that reason I think I'm going to keep watching fate/zero first! I know that might sound irritating to some not watching it in chronological order but that first ep was so suspenseful and exciting, I just think it will be more enjoyable that way
I agree that if you’re truly invested in getting into Fate, watch 2006 or read the VN. However, if you’re just kind of a casual viewer (or trying to get someone else into Fate like I do a lot), I would never recommend either. To get someone into it, the show needs to hook them in early, and neither the VN or 2006 anime can do that. If you’re already determined to get into the show, you already have that hook, but otherwise, that can best be found in Fate/Zero or UBW.
I played Fate/Grand Order and learn about the Fate/Naruverse along the way from the info and details from the community from reddit so ... I kind of understand the concept rather quickly but yeah I should try the DEEN version someday.
So /Grand Order has a VN as well? Is it worth bothering with? Cause i am not sure if i should even bother with everything else after Hollow, tbh.
It seems the comments have a decent amount of diversity, but I'll still put in my two cents.
I agree that Fate/Stay Night 2006 should be watched first (for anime-onlys) and I'm actually part of the minority that enjoyed the series enough to finish it through.
However, I'm not to appreciative of making the act of watching Fate/Zero first a taboo, and some have already taken that to heart. Of course, I don't think it was your intention to antagonize those who started off with Fate/Zero, so I won't flame you for something you didn't do.
I watched the Fate Series in this order:
Fate/Zero,
Fate/Stay Night 2006,
Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works by ufotable,
(this is also when I watched Kara no Kyoukai, but that's in the broader Nasuverse),
tried Fate/kaleid,
Fate/Grand Order,
the new Fate/Apocrypha
I don't think there's anything wrong with beginning with Fate/Zero first, as there's still a underlying problem with people starting with Fate/Stay Night (2006). First of all, the viewer might not even finish the adaption due to its various problems, most of which are seen right away in DEEN's botched interpretation of Shirou. We already know this. But the problem lies in that Fate/Stay Night (2006) has a different kind of audience, or rather a different audience demographic, than Fate/Zero (this is assuming we exclude people who read the visual novels as this is for anime only). Now obviously, the audiences overlap due to being the same franchise, but the sheer difference in the tone of F/SN 06 and F/Z, F/SN UBW, and F/SN HF means that people who would actually appreciate the rest of the series won't even give them the light of day if they don't power through F/SN 06. And the people who do enjoy and finish it are met with Fate's typical long expositions, which they might actually get bored of. This separation in tone is unfortunate as DEEN seemed to want to take the material seriously as shown from using the remix of This Illusion, disillusion, as it's opening, but still fell into multiple cliche pitfalls.
Fate/Zero may hold spoilers (and while I am not one who cares about spoilers, that's a topic for another day), but those are really only glimpses into the various routes, and do not contain enjoyment breaking spoilers, unless finding out Sakura is "bad" without any context is truly intolerable for Heaven's Feel. If anything, it encourages viewers of Fate/Zero to anticipate the upcoming Heaven's Feel Movies.
Fate/Zero also meant for a mature audience, and takes them seriously, and presents a multitude of fascinating clashing ideals while Fate/Stay Night 2006 is rather generic in its appeal towards a teenage audience.
My point is that people will want to see something in the series that fits to them, and if they choose Fate/Zero to start from because they like the tone, a certain character, or just how dang beautiful it is, they totally can do that, especially if they would not feel encouragement from Fate/Stay Night 2006.
Would starting with UBW and then watching Fate/Zero be a bad idea, in your opinion?
oh wow that is actually how i started the fate series in that exact order lol and now it is also one of my favorite franchises ever :)
I love the animation of fate by Deen. I wouldn't have been as intrested if i had started with ufotable fate.
Idk it had a very mysterious feel with the opening, ost and lighting and the fact that it was my 1st fate so i didn't understand anything and played the vn so i enjoyed everything fully.
it managed to replicate the atmosphere and tone of the vn most faithfully out of all the adaptations
The route fate/zero spoils the most is heavens feel. So watching
fate/zero anywhere besides either first or last defeats the purpose.
That being said, while fate/zero works as a good starting point it ALSO
cannot be completely appreciated without knowing everything from
fate/stay night. So in summary: READ THE FUCKING VISUAL NOVEL.
I'm one of those people who are lazy to read VNs. Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0 took me a very long time to finish.
Yeah, visual novels tend to be duller than dirt.
Callader 10/10 Listen to this guy. Then drop the VN because the writing is atrocious XD
ExDee
Main problem with VN is that it's border line impossible to get (which Arkada mentioned). If you could get in anywhere then VN is obvious choice. But it's not easy to get so you need to pick from Anime already published.
Also, if you watch FZ first, and then read VN, and Then rewatch FZ as completely new experience, doesn't that just add to your fun with FATE? That mean you get extra Anime out of it.
If you have VN, would you ever suggest anyone to watch DEEN adaptation instead?
TL;DW - Fate/Stay Night (2006) > Fate/Zero > Unlimited Blade Works > Heavens Feel
Other adaptations such as Grand Order or Apocrypha can be watched at any time after Fate/Stay Night (2006), because they take place in entirely different timelines.
Eh if we go the real logical way. It should be Fate Stay night 2006>UBW>Heaven's Feel> Fate Zero
This is to fully grasp and understand the characters of Fate Zero. Yeah I know HF is only to be a movie split into three and is going to take awhile.
I think ufotable kind screw up by releasing Fate Zero way to early. They should have gone the way the Fate stay night universe went on release. Fate>UBW>HF>Fate Zero. Since Zero spoils to no end all the 3 routes pretty early on.
My opinion of what order to watch the shows will probably change over time, as more of the fate franchise is adapted. Working with what we have right now, I think F/SN > F/Z > UBW > HF is the optimal watch order. That is assuming you don't read the visual novel, which I have heard good things about but did not read it for myself yet. So I don't know to what extent F/SN 2006 spoils HF, but I guess I will find out soon enough.
Grand Order isn't an anime, it's a convoluted gacha game that assumes you have encyclopedic knowledge of everything Type-Moon. Apocrypha on the other hand is completely standalone as long as you understand the basic stuff from FSN
Always watch fate/ zero last. dont watch 2006 for a spoiler in HF just read vn and watch heavens feel movies and ubw anime
I would even say do not watch the heaven's feel anime, if you are done with the VN, cause you will understand how many things they would need to change to make it teen friendly. Honestly i do not even want to imagine the job of the writers on that, they are basically in a no win position. If they stick to the third route it will cause outrage, if not it will lessen character development. Holy fuck.
Got dean stay night on dvd today was gonna get zero later and watch that first but you showed me the error of my ways thanks
I did watch the Fate-francise exactly in the order that you mentioned.
I didn't really liked dean/stay night when i started with it, but i still think you are absolutly correct, because with zero, ubw and so on i became i huge fate fan that now has watched everything in the francise until now, even prisma illya and fate/extra
But watching Zero before Heaven's Feel it spoils almost all the twists it has.
Also, how do you feel about Fate's Sir Tristan?
tristan is a nice man too bad he can see anything
Of course it fucking will Zero is based on a LN that came out years after the Stay/Night VN did. Everything that is not Fate, UBW, or heaven's feel will defeat the intention the writers of the series had. Zero should be seen as a competently separate thing, if you only watch the anime, or watched after you have played the VN.
I started with Fate/Zero, because at first I didn't like Deen/Stay Night, but after finishing Zero I gave it another shot, and I'm perfectly fine, my experience wasn't ruined.
I will have to totally agree with you on this one.
I was introduced to the Nasuverse via Deen/Stay Night and since then I am loving it.
Also, I believe that the Fate franchise can be a little bit difficult for newcomers to follow, but if you explain them properly that some of the routes are "what if" scenarios while some other recent adaptations(a.k.a. Fate/Apocrypha) are alternate timelines that deviate a lot from Fate/Zero.
A good example for this would be Marvel comic multiverse a couple of years ago.
Earth 616 is the main universe that is equivalent to Fate/Zero and it's 3 possible chronological routes Stay Night, Unlimited Blade Works, Heaven's Feel.
Ultimate universe(don't remeber from the top of my head the number of it) is equivalent to Fate/Apocrypha, where there is the Holy Grail War but the participants(be it either the Masters or the Servants) and even the location(s) are different.
Awesome! I watched Deen/Stay first (followed by FZ & UBW) and it was ideal. One has to be pretty committed to track down the VN in English. Props to anyone who manages to play all of it first, prior to seeing any anime version.