Thank you very much! I've been using it since November or so of last year and the wife kept reminding me to do this after I installed the 4th TV a few months ago.
Thanks for this. I've had one in my amazon cart for so long, just procrastinating over it or going for something more lavish. Your insight into the telnet control swung it for me as I'll be able to control that from my node-red HA. Looking forward to setting it up.
im currently installing a 20x20 matrix in a church. thankfully we ditched hdmi years ago and now use sdi. its a simple coax cable and does runs of about 80m without any signal boosting. SDI has a lot of advantages over HDMI. - no hdcp problem (if your hdmi source needs hdcp, just add a splitter witch removes hdcp) - no edid, the device isent going to change its output resolution randomly. - less converter needet (professional projectors and displays have sdi in, the slideshow/ media computers use decklink card for capture and output, cams and video switcher use sdi any way)
@@wapphigh5250 sdi is serial digital interface. Its a digital video standart. But in oposite to hdmi, sdi is designet for professional usecases, like in tv broadcast. The blackmagic design smartvideohubs can be controlled from homeassistant.
personally for swapping i would just use a couple of input selects, 1 for the device you want to 'control to' and then another one for the selection of the input and/or off
@@digiblurDIY I had missed that sorry! Sadly no, it doesn’t do GHz range. A project for sure, but if you have an extra remote you could gut plus some kind of switch you can already control through HA, maybe you could splice them together Frankenstein style
Need more detail on the home assistant end of things bc that's where you can make real magic happen. would love to see some Alexa or Google Assistant routines involved in this stuff.
i use bmd smartvideohubs. they exist as 12x12 up to 120x120 (the older 1080p models existed up to 288x288). if you sync the sources using a time signal you can even to clean switching, not a single frame of black screen.
I install these quite a bit but I use Vanco's Evolution series of hardware. Haven't set one up with Home Assistant but I have used URC Remotes MX series and a couple of times the Logitech remotes. When I deploy them I got peer to peer with the CAT6. Run each CAT6 directly from the matrix or transmitter to each receiver. Reason being most of my clients are not tech savvy and all it takes is the network to go down and they freakout they can't see the TV. It's pretty darn expensive to deploy, it's pay once and cry once. With the garbled output you mentioned when showing the Reolink cameras. HDMI has handshaking it just probably messed up on the handshake. Could just be a matter of the HDMI cable from the NVR to the matrix or the HDMI cable going from the matrix receiver to the TV. Always be sure to use HDMI cables that can handle 18Gbps or higher.
Hello, I have been planning to get one of these for long time. But you need to put all the main source in one location. In my house basement where computers servers location. When you use PS5 on the basement, how does the Bluetooth controller works on the 2nd story room TV? Does it has a way to extend the Bluetooth signal from controller to the PS5 on basement? I know it has remote IR transmitter. Also can I connect the RJ45 to my Internet switches or it need separate RJ45 cabling to the HDMI switches? Great informative videos like always.
No basements here so I can only test horizontally in the various rooms. I don't know of any repeaters for the controllers if you have a large home. Our gaming consoles are centrally located in the home. The RJ45 cabling connects directly between the Matrix switch and the RJ45 to HDMI receivers.
One way to improve how this is surfaced in HA without a custom integration is to use the template media_player (available through HACS). You could create a media_player instance for of the outputs, with each of them having the four sources as selectable inputs.
Great video my house is already prewired with cat5e and you mentioned that you were having issues with cat5e I was wondering what caused issues with cat5e? Was it video quality not being 4k or was it constantly not connecting? I can't put in cat6 because I would have to break through conduit. Also you should consider getting a logitech harmony to control the tv and orei since it can do both!
Warning!!! Put that matrix on good surge protector. We have gone through many of these. Some last 6 months som have lasted a year or so. Just be careful, I wish zector didn't sell out to pulse eight.
@@digiblurDIY sometimes you'll have an issue with a zone or 2 not displaying. Usually just unplug the zone from the back of the matrix fixes it. I don't know if it's an issue with the macro going too fast but we use RTI at work and that has caused hang ups at times. It's a great product and I think they have less issues than pulse eight. Love your setup!
Question….how the controllers are able to have signal around the house? I got a similar setup just a hdmi over cat, but second floor ps4 controllers don’t pick up signal
Would like to experiment with home assistant connected to an HDMI input as a way of quickly seeing the dashboard on any TV .... wireless pointing device connected to the client would be even nicer
@@digiblurDIY Its a pity you can't get the HA dashboard visible out of the back of a NUC (running it) from it's HDMI port though Travis? What I get is just the linux and everything with the ha> prompt....
Very cool, I have a few questions about your setup. When you showed the diagram at 10:58 by the looks of it the green connections, the ethernet cables, they are a 1:1 direct connection with the receiver, output 1 directly to receiver 1, out 2 -> receiver 2, etc... However, at 4:28 it looked like you were able to plug all 4 cables into a single ubiquity switch and essentially have all image data combine into a single network cable. Do the individual outputs have their own IP/MAC addresses that can be used for routing through your network? If so, did you have to add a power injector for the receivers, since the power from the transmitter would have ended at the networking switch? Also how is the latency between your giving input to the controller and seeing change on the screen? It is visible when you're showing off the two tv's at the same time. I'm planning to link my PC to my tv through this type of system but I don't plan on playing games that require super low latency. Couch co-op type of games.
It mirrors on each TV at the exact time. No delay even if you have all 4 watching the same thing. You do not tie this into your existing ethernet switch. I have them tied into my patch panel going from the hdmi matrix switch to the bedrooms.
do they make a 4x 1080p in to 1x 4k2160? or better. i would like to have a Back to the Future style projector screen. thanks for this video. very detailed and showing very cool things!
I’ve checked these out in the past, however the fact I can’t run it on my existing network is a deal breaker. Being direct from parent to child is less than ideal. Otherwise it would fit what I’m looking for 100%. I could deal without 4k120hz.
because you need seperate cabeling any way, we went with sdi. the sdi gear can be bought cheap, we went mostly with broduct from bmd, ist relative cheap while still working great. if you build the setup the right way you can even do clean switching. it switches sources between frames, the screens dont even need to resync to the new source.
How is the quality on those, from what I know they have compression. 4K60 HDR is near the 20Gbps bandwidth wise, and you can't really get that across on Cat6 cables, so they use compression.
Are you using anything to extend the signal for the PS5 controller? I’ve tried something like this in my house and I had issues with the controller randomly disconnecting.
No, just the regular ps5 controllers. They go through several walls with ease. I do have issues with the Xbox One at times. One wall is about it. Two and it gets sketch a bit.
Digi I also hope there is some programming dude who can write some integration in HA. I used to have Control4 and almost bought their HDMI switch (that did something like this) but that *was* super expensive (and also needed a truck roll if anything went wrong) so I didn't go with HDMI switching, Instead it was cheaper to have individual sources at each 4 locations. Control4 used to call this programming "a driver". So yeh it would be real cool if someone could write a Home assistant "driver" for this set up. When you have one can u let us know? thanks!
Definitely not doing 4K 4:4:4. The cheaper units will run into EDID issues or resolution problems. Hopefully things work out and worst case you can always return. Check out MOIP, we used to use matrix setups but have move to MOIP for our customers since its geared to the current formats and beyond.
I've actually been using this for almost a year now. I didn't have the outdoor patio TV done yet so I never showed the project until now. I haven't run into any issues so far except the desync issue at times when an output idles for a long time and then I just force the resync.
we went with 4:2:2, because most of the sources dont do 4:4:4 any way. We did run 75Ohm coax and use sdi. The maxrix is a bmd smartvideo hub 20x20, its an older model, so 4kp30 max, but the current models do 4kp60. This system is realy great, no extenders needet for 80m runs, no converters needet (if the sevice supports sdi). And the best thing is you can use 80m of cable from the source to the matrix, and 80 from matrix to display/projector.
Travis, That setup is pretty frickin' amazing! Nice job and thanks for making the video, explaining it all, and sharing with us. 😀
Thank you very much! I've been using it since November or so of last year and the wife kept reminding me to do this after I installed the 4th TV a few months ago.
Gives a new meaning to, 'Go outside and play!'. LOL
Looks really good, great job!
Hahahah.... very true. We have sent him and his friends outside as they were way to loud in their gaming.
Thanks for this. I've had one in my amazon cart for so long, just procrastinating over it or going for something more lavish. Your insight into the telnet control swung it for me as I'll be able to control that from my node-red HA. Looking forward to setting it up.
Nice! Yeah the telnet stuff makes it nice.
im currently installing a 20x20 matrix in a church. thankfully we ditched hdmi years ago and now use sdi. its a simple coax cable and does runs of about 80m without any signal boosting.
SDI has a lot of advantages over HDMI.
- no hdcp problem (if your hdmi source needs hdcp, just add a splitter witch removes hdcp)
- no edid, the device isent going to change its output resolution randomly.
- less converter needet (professional projectors and displays have sdi in, the slideshow/ media computers use decklink card for capture and output, cams and video switcher use sdi any way)
What is SDI? What Matrix did you use? Can it be controlled by Home assistant?
@@wapphigh5250 sdi is serial digital interface.
Its a digital video standart. But in oposite to hdmi, sdi is designet for professional usecases, like in tv broadcast.
The blackmagic design smartvideohubs can be controlled from homeassistant.
For that non-4k set, you can get an hdmi splitter that will down convert the to 4k
Extremely helpful ! Thank you for a great review!
My pleasure!
personally for swapping i would just use a couple of input selects, 1 for the device you want to 'control to' and then another one for the selection of the input and/or off
Get a BroadLink RM4 pro or equivalent to bring that RF remote in to home assistant. Awesome video thanks!
I wonder if it would work being 2.4ghz? Does it support that?
@@digiblurDIY I had missed that sorry! Sadly no, it doesn’t do GHz range.
A project for sure, but if you have an extra remote you could gut plus some kind of switch you can already control through HA, maybe you could splice them together Frankenstein style
For the 4 dropdown thing, you can create 4 dropdown helpers and then create automatization for when they change
You need something to parse the telnet.
Need more detail on the home assistant end of things bc that's where you can make real magic happen. would love to see some Alexa or Google Assistant routines involved in this stuff.
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What are you looking at doing? Turn on the TV etc?
Agree. I wish you had touched more on how you got the switch into home assistant for us noobs
@@KCapitalT I reckon (hopefully) he'll get there - Digi is the man! Trust me. His Intel NUC HA build (and how to) is awesome. Search it out!
I can share the yaml for my bootleg setup if you want. It is just telnet switches
That's pretty cool, as someone who has more inputs than TVs though, it's be cool if there was an option that gave a lot more inputs than outputs
i use bmd smartvideohubs. they exist as 12x12 up to 120x120 (the older 1080p models existed up to 288x288).
if you sync the sources using a time signal you can even to clean switching, not a single frame of black screen.
I install these quite a bit but I use Vanco's Evolution series of hardware. Haven't set one up with Home Assistant but I have used URC Remotes MX series and a couple of times the Logitech remotes. When I deploy them I got peer to peer with the CAT6. Run each CAT6 directly from the matrix or transmitter to each receiver. Reason being most of my clients are not tech savvy and all it takes is the network to go down and they freakout they can't see the TV. It's pretty darn expensive to deploy, it's pay once and cry once.
With the garbled output you mentioned when showing the Reolink cameras. HDMI has handshaking it just probably messed up on the handshake. Could just be a matter of the HDMI cable from the NVR to the matrix or the HDMI cable going from the matrix receiver to the TV. Always be sure to use HDMI cables that can handle 18Gbps or higher.
I have tried a few high quality HDMI cables something just doesn't sync right on the extender at times.
Hello, I have been planning to get one of these for long time. But you need to put all the main source in one location. In my house basement where computers servers location. When you use PS5 on the basement, how does the Bluetooth controller works on the 2nd story room TV? Does it has a way to extend the Bluetooth signal from controller to the PS5 on basement? I know it has remote IR transmitter. Also can I connect the RJ45 to my Internet switches or it need separate RJ45 cabling to the HDMI switches? Great informative videos like always.
No basements here so I can only test horizontally in the various rooms. I don't know of any repeaters for the controllers if you have a large home. Our gaming consoles are centrally located in the home. The RJ45 cabling connects directly between the Matrix switch and the RJ45 to HDMI receivers.
One way to improve how this is surfaced in HA without a custom integration is to use the template media_player (available through HACS). You could create a media_player instance for of the outputs, with each of them having the four sources as selectable inputs.
I would need to parse the telnet values as things change
@@digiblurDIY Would some behind-the-scenes sensors based on the `tcp` integration work for polling the current state?
Great video my house is already prewired with cat5e and you mentioned that you were having issues with cat5e I was wondering what caused issues with cat5e? Was it video quality not being 4k or was it constantly not connecting? I can't put in cat6 because I would have to break through conduit. Also you should consider getting a logitech harmony to control the tv and orei since it can do both!
I had sync issues at times with 4K60 content. 1080p was fine.
Nice. Looks like they have a 6 inputs & 4 outputs model, but not sure if you wanted a full 6x6.
Yeah I would like 6 in and 6 out. Perfect combo.
3:32 - I thought the bottom right was a framed picture of the kid playing games for a split second.
HAHAH... that would be great to put up on the wall, with a bit of mouth breathing going on
Very cool. Thanks guys. 👍🏻👍🏻
Our pleasure!
Hey O.G., don't forget the elbow pads and helmet... just in case!
They fogging for mosquitoes at the end?
He does the pads, especially the hand ones with the plastic drag guard. Unfortunately it's a bit hot for a helmet.
Yup. Skeeter truck.
Warning!!! Put that matrix on good surge protector. We have gone through many of these. Some last 6 months som have lasted a year or so. Just be careful, I wish zector didn't sell out to pulse eight.
Great idea! Mine is on a UPS as I have a crappy power utility company. Been clicking along since October 2023.
@@digiblurDIY sometimes you'll have an issue with a zone or 2 not displaying. Usually just unplug the zone from the back of the matrix fixes it. I don't know if it's an issue with the macro going too fast but we use RTI at work and that has caused hang ups at times. It's a great product and I think they have less issues than pulse eight. Love your setup!
Question….how the controllers are able to have signal around the house? I got a similar setup just a hdmi over cat, but second floor ps4 controllers don’t pick up signal
The PS5 controllers have some crazy distance.
@ well I live on a 6000 sqft house and my ps5 is on a rack first floor and I can only play upstairs if I use a usb to cat extender…sucks
@thenanook I think that place deserves multiple consoles 😎
Would like to experiment with home assistant connected to an HDMI input as a way of quickly seeing the dashboard on any TV .... wireless pointing device connected to the client would be even nicer
You would need something to display that like a PC though. You could do an IR pointer maybe?
@@digiblurDIY Its a pity you can't get the HA dashboard visible out of the back of a NUC (running it) from it's HDMI port though Travis? What I get is just the linux and everything with the ha> prompt....
Right. You would need something to render the browser. Something simple can do that though
@@digiblurDIY Sure. What setting/app/integration in HA does that? Can you show us how?!!!!
Can you give more details on the bounty you're offering? Is there a central place for Home-assistant bounties?
😂 absolutely - here come to trolls!
No idea there on a central repo. I was just looking for someone to chit chat in Discord and figure out things.
@@digiblurDIY I'm not on your discord, but I can look into it
@JordanReese or email is fine.
@@digiblurDIY sure, what's the address?
Great video! Thanks for sharing your experience. As far as getting mqtt capabilities, have you thought using the telnet client in Node-Red?
I am going to give that client a shot and see how it goes
Insect sprayer in the last shot?
Yup. Fogging for mosquitos
That is hella sweet!! Cost?
How much you got? You can go big like 16 channels.
Very cool, I have a few questions about your setup. When you showed the diagram at 10:58 by the looks of it the green connections, the ethernet cables, they are a 1:1 direct connection with the receiver, output 1 directly to receiver 1, out 2 -> receiver 2, etc... However, at 4:28 it looked like you were able to plug all 4 cables into a single ubiquity switch and essentially have all image data combine into a single network cable. Do the individual outputs have their own IP/MAC addresses that can be used for routing through your network? If so, did you have to add a power injector for the receivers, since the power from the transmitter would have ended at the networking switch?
Also how is the latency between your giving input to the controller and seeing change on the screen? It is visible when you're showing off the two tv's at the same time. I'm planning to link my PC to my tv through this type of system but I don't plan on playing games that require super low latency. Couch co-op type of games.
It mirrors on each TV at the exact time. No delay even if you have all 4 watching the same thing.
You do not tie this into your existing ethernet switch. I have them tied into my patch panel going from the hdmi matrix switch to the bedrooms.
do they make a 4x 1080p in to 1x 4k2160? or better. i would like to have a Back to the Future style projector screen. thanks for this video. very detailed and showing very cool things!
I have seen some of those wall switches that combine the feeds into one.
Such an epic setup, does anyone know if doing this with the PS5 adds much latency for online FPS's?
We haven't noticed anything but I haven't put things side by side to test.
I’ve checked these out in the past, however the fact I can’t run it on my existing network is a deal breaker. Being direct from parent to child is less than ideal.
Otherwise it would fit what I’m looking for 100%. I could deal without 4k120hz.
Yeah I tried 5e runs I had and it had some noise issues at times. I needed to run new wires anyways so I used 6a
because you need seperate cabeling any way, we went with sdi. the sdi gear can be bought cheap, we went mostly with broduct from bmd, ist relative cheap while still working great.
if you build the setup the right way you can even do clean switching. it switches sources between frames, the screens dont even need to resync to the new source.
How is the quality on those, from what I know they have compression.
4K60 HDR is near the 20Gbps bandwidth wise, and you can't really get that across on Cat6 cables, so they use compression.
I haven't done a full on side by side but us standing super close to the TV doing some 4K gaming, I think it looks damn good.
Are you using anything to extend the signal for the PS5 controller? I’ve tried something like this in my house and I had issues with the controller randomly disconnecting.
No, just the regular ps5 controllers. They go through several walls with ease. I do have issues with the Xbox One at times. One wall is about it. Two and it gets sketch a bit.
Digi I also hope there is some programming dude who can write some integration in HA. I used to have Control4 and almost bought their HDMI switch (that did something like this) but that *was* super expensive (and also needed a truck roll if anything went wrong) so I didn't go with HDMI switching, Instead it was cheaper to have individual sources at each 4 locations. Control4 used to call this programming "a driver". So yeh it would be real cool if someone could write a Home assistant "driver" for this set up. When you have one can u let us know? thanks!
Yeah I am sure there is someone who can do it. If I had more time I could probably hack something together in python.
This is the same as the Blackbird 4x4. Same hardware almost.
Little different layout and different commands and way different price but same concept.
No idea why I watched this.. I can't even afford 2 TVs but good shit keep it up digi
You can get some cheap 20 inch TVs 😎
HDMI Consumer Electronics Control 😄👍
Yeah that's why I can't remember it.
HDMI = lots of problems.
Definitely not doing 4K 4:4:4. The cheaper units will run into EDID issues or resolution problems.
Hopefully things work out and worst case you can always return. Check out MOIP, we used to use matrix setups but have move to MOIP for our customers since its geared to the current formats and beyond.
Agree 100%.. Be nice if there was a home assistant Just Add Power "driver"! can MOIP be integrated into Home assistant?
I've actually been using this for almost a year now. I didn't have the outdoor patio TV done yet so I never showed the project until now. I haven't run into any issues so far except the desync issue at times when an output idles for a long time and then I just force the resync.
@@wapphigh5250 The MOIP we use is for Control 4. I personally run HA but I'd imagine someone out there has working with HA
we went with 4:2:2, because most of the sources dont do 4:4:4 any way. We did run 75Ohm coax and use sdi.
The maxrix is a bmd smartvideo hub 20x20, its an older model, so 4kp30 max, but the current models do 4kp60.
This system is realy great, no extenders needet for 80m runs, no converters needet (if the sevice supports sdi).
And the best thing is you can use 80m of cable from the source to the matrix, and 80 from matrix to display/projector.
Nice one! (But if OG's Mom is around, what does she think about OG being able to "game around the house"?) 😀
She was one of the big driving forces. She kept kicking us out of rooms and I got tired of moving things.
But why are the tvs mounted so high?
It's an illusion of the short ceilings. Old house issues.
@@digiblurDIY sorry, meant that more as a joke reply. Great work on the setup!
Lol.. I responded back in somewhat of a joking manner picking on my old house.
You need a control system
But I can't afford that for sure.
LOL that's called Home assistant with a github driver ....