The writing and the acting in this are absolutely amazing. All 3 of them are on their A-game here, especially Saul with his realization of Bulldog's, and his own, situation, in that moment. Alot of nuance in this scene as well that goes down smooth. Saul's "bottle that never runs dry" speech still gives me chills, written and delivered BRILLIANTLY. Bravo! BSG was a heckuva show, with an amazing crew -- both on and off camera!
I like the small details in this. Saul pulls a gun, but doesn't shoot. Let's himself get disarmed essentially, then turns the table with superior hand to hand tactics and subdues Danny. After Danny is down, and somewhat calmer, he releases Adama... but then gives Adama the gun for protection just in case he (Saul) gets surprise attacked by Danny for some reason. What a great show this is.
Think I pointed this out on a previous posting of this clip... Great to see Kara - one of the best Viper pilots in the fleet, if not *the* best - doing the work in the film room. Looking to see what she missed, or what she could do better. You can always get better.
He went into the fleet to try and get his mind right. He obviously had PTSD and they wanted what was best for him. I’d say he made it to Earth in the end, but I agree we should have gotten more Bulldog.
Also goes to show a certain respect. Starbuck and Tigh weren´t exactly friends most of the time, the old man had more of a soft spot for her. But as much as Tigh and Kara butted heads they both knew about the others´strengths. They both knew they could count on the other if necessary.
I like to think that Bulldog had to face no consequences for that and reinstalled himself as valuable officer after the incident cuz it was such a deep experience for him.
Once Saul made him realize what he was doing … he'd have to decide: Did he want to live? Did he want to give the people who tortured him what they wanted? Or … did he want to repay them for what they did to him … what they did to humanity? It's a very ugly reason to keep going … but BSG was a show where good people can be driven to do things, and the imperfect people who wound up in charge kind of have to understand and accept that. Maybe though, maybe he did decide that he was out. He'd been through too much suffered too much, lost too much to keep fighting. Maybe all he can do at this point is try to heal, try to recover, and try to find a way to live a normal life. That happens too.
"So how do you put that bottle away, Saul?" A very powerful line slightly lost in the rest of the powerful scene. Danny looks to Saul, honestly wanting to hear his answer, but Bill is asking for himself as well. For all that he has said previously about not second-guessing decisions, it's clear that his mistakes (or what he perceives as his mistakes) weigh heavily upon him.
@@mitchellmelkin4078Did it? At the beginning of the series they kind of imply Cylons have super human strength but by the end they're essentially no different than ordinary humans.
I allways had mixed feelings about Saul Tigh, but this episode he became my favorite character. Noone likes to be taken for a chump and noone likes to have their individuality taken away, and here is a mean drunken SOB reminding us that no soldier is above a mission and few mistakes are so unforgiveable that you can't get back up and try again.
Stonem001, I think the chase (and essentially, sacrifice of the raiders) was to convince Galactica of his escape being bona fide, not so much for Bulldog's benefit.
@@PersonaIncognito hey genius, the entire reason the trick got caught was because the Cylon chase was obviously fake. It's actually LESS far fetched for him to have just escaped via stealth compared to somehow evading the raiders.
The premise doesn't make sense. Assuming the raiders can track him when he jumps, they could've followed him with a basestar and tried to destroy Galactica. Letting him go to kill adama is a huge stretch. Especially since he might know vital cylon Intel. For all they know, he could've just said, "yeah thats messed up, but it was the right call to prevent a war".
@@mortman200 Well, that is probably true. But I don’t think they suffer from a rehash at all. I think they’re stronger here. Interesting how it’s just humans and Cylons in this show. No aliens whatsoever.
You got to understand the era this was produced In, it is only through episode premiers on the very first run that you can find the episodes from start to finish in order week to week. Everything else in shown by syndication replays . The episodes kept coming back in SyFy, and whatever network, and you might get S2:3 in one run and the next might be s4:2 and so on, that is why in this era you had two episode arcs. following a single plot line. Cuz you will have at times one followed by the next Due to this networks did not experiment with with multi episode plots. Story arcs would be VERY top level. The Dominion war in trek. And Doctor who and bad wolf. And even then they made bad wolf very subtle and they put it To play and showed it back to us
Bulldog's attack and Saul's intervention is a wonderful scene. One of the best.
"We're all soldiers Danny, we're all expendable."
Fact!
its ugly but there it is.
Plo Koon out of nowhere:
"Not to me"
@@jv-lk7bc Indeed. It’s not a happy thought, but it’s something we all knew when we signed up.
The writing and the acting in this are absolutely amazing. All 3 of them are on their A-game here, especially Saul with his realization of Bulldog's, and his own, situation, in that moment. Alot of nuance in this scene as well that goes down smooth.
Saul's "bottle that never runs dry" speech still gives me chills, written and delivered BRILLIANTLY.
Bravo!
BSG was a heckuva show, with an amazing crew -- both on and off camera!
So true
I like the small details in this. Saul pulls a gun, but doesn't shoot. Let's himself get disarmed essentially, then turns the table with superior hand to hand tactics and subdues Danny. After Danny is down, and somewhat calmer, he releases Adama... but then gives Adama the gun for protection just in case he (Saul) gets surprise attacked by Danny for some reason. What a great show this is.
Don't know how realistic it is, but love that a tired, drunk, worse for wear Tigh is *still* capable of taking down a man half his age.
@@LabradorIndependent Old man strength is a real thing, at least for us. Older generation men usually have greater grip strength.
You guys forget he is a Cylon. It was actually foreshadowing 😉
Saul has superior hand to hand combat because he's an actual Cylon
He gave Adama the firearm so he could execute Bulldog if he so chose to do so...
"Hang in there BullDog
Bill Adama is coming"
You can see how hopeless he was in there
Waiting for rescue that never arrived...
Think I pointed this out on a previous posting of this clip...
Great to see Kara - one of the best Viper pilots in the fleet, if not *the* best - doing the work in the film room. Looking to see what she missed, or what she could do better. You can always get better.
And that's probably why she's the best!
Oh, she is the best by far.
Bulldog should've appeared in the mutinee episodes as an Adama loyalist, would've been a nice way to bring some closure to this forgotten plotline.
I thought so too, or be apart of the assault on the Colony. Instead they just kind of forgot about him, it’s too bad
He went into the fleet to try and get his mind right. He obviously had PTSD and they wanted what was best for him. I’d say he made it to Earth in the end, but I agree we should have gotten more Bulldog.
It was an actor availability issue.
One of Saul Tigh’s best scenes..he was one of my favorite characters
Kara came to Saul Tigh with this. That always gets me here, she knew that Adama would find a reason to say the cyclons missed out of guilt or loyalty.
Also goes to show a certain respect. Starbuck and Tigh weren´t exactly friends most of the time, the old man had more of a soft spot for her. But as much as Tigh and Kara butted heads they both knew about the others´strengths. They both knew they could count on the other if necessary.
I like to think that Bulldog had to face no consequences for that and reinstalled himself as valuable officer after the incident cuz it was such a deep experience for him.
Once Saul made him realize what he was doing … he'd have to decide: Did he want to live? Did he want to give the people who tortured him what they wanted? Or … did he want to repay them for what they did to him … what they did to humanity?
It's a very ugly reason to keep going … but BSG was a show where good people can be driven to do things, and the imperfect people who wound up in charge kind of have to understand and accept that.
Maybe though, maybe he did decide that he was out. He'd been through too much suffered too much, lost too much to keep fighting. Maybe all he can do at this point is try to heal, try to recover, and try to find a way to live a normal life. That happens too.
5:24-6:09 great analogy and a lesson for an alcoholic
"So how do you put that bottle away, Saul?"
A very powerful line slightly lost in the rest of the powerful scene. Danny looks to Saul, honestly wanting to hear his answer, but Bill is asking for himself as well. For all that he has said previously about not second-guessing decisions, it's clear that his mistakes (or what he perceives as his mistakes) weigh heavily upon him.
Amazing acting, amazing drama. Raw emotions. This is why I love BSG so much.
So say we all!
Saul absolutely wrecked him. What a badass
sorearm, Well, being a Cylon helped.
@@mitchellmelkin4078Did it? At the beginning of the series they kind of imply Cylons have super human strength but by the end they're essentially no different than ordinary humans.
@@tinman3586 They always had super strength, except for the final five, they were as strong as normal humans.
I allways had mixed feelings about Saul Tigh, but this episode he became my favorite character. Noone likes to be taken for a chump and noone likes to have their individuality taken away, and here is a mean drunken SOB reminding us that no soldier is above a mission and few mistakes are so unforgiveable that you can't get back up and try again.
This scene was so heavy and good.
Col. Tigh, an old man and alcoholic overwhelming that beefcake Bulldog like it's nothing.
Little foreshadowing there.
unintentional but still yeah.
When Bulldog begins to hit Adama, the blast door was still open on a crowded corridor.
Bulldog you're the best of us.
Nah, he’s really not.
would've been smarter for the cylons to not even bother sending raiders after him - make him think he just snuck away undetected
Stonem001, I think the chase (and essentially, sacrifice of the raiders) was to convince Galactica of his escape being bona fide, not so much for Bulldog's benefit.
Incorrect. He might've gotten suspicious that it was too easy. Wise up.
@@PersonaIncognito hey genius, the entire reason the trick got caught was because the Cylon chase was obviously fake. It's actually LESS far fetched for him to have just escaped via stealth compared to somehow evading the raiders.
They probably would've just shot him down without a second thought if it was one raider alone. The chase was to make it clear something was off
The premise doesn't make sense. Assuming the raiders can track him when he jumps, they could've followed him with a basestar and tried to destroy Galactica. Letting him go to kill adama is a huge stretch. Especially since he might know vital cylon Intel. For all they know, he could've just said, "yeah thats messed up, but it was the right call to prevent a war".
I love to see Carl Lumbly act.
Didn't the Romulans do this once in regards to a defector?
That TNG episode was written by Moore. He took a lot of his old star trek scripts amd did semi remakes of them in Battlestar
@@mortman200 I had a suspicion.
@@mortman200 Well, that is probably true. But I don’t think they suffer from a rehash at all. I think they’re stronger here. Interesting how it’s just humans and Cylons in this show. No aliens whatsoever.
That thumbnail tho
Saul knows how to throw them hands.
Underrated actor.
Colonel T was like back off
Saul Tigh is da man!!!
So say we all!
@Andrew But he's the more sophisticated variety. Wise up.
Cagney and Lacey v Miami Vice.
Powerful scene. But he calls a superior officer by his first name?
"One day, you decide to just get up and walk out of your room... " the story of an alcoholics path to sobriety...
What's the black actors name?
Carl Lumbly
Bulldog should have killed the both of them when he had the chance.
Filler episode
Gods damnit I hate this frakking episode
Another unneeded plot that was immediately dropped
Wrong perspective by you, dullard.
@@PersonaIncognito wrong. ID10T
You got to understand the era this was produced In, it is only through episode premiers on the very first run that you can find the episodes from start to finish in order week to week. Everything else in shown by syndication replays . The episodes kept coming back in SyFy, and whatever network, and you might get S2:3 in one run and the next might be s4:2 and so on, that is why in this era you had two episode arcs. following a single plot line. Cuz you will have at times one followed by the next
Due to this networks did not experiment with with multi episode plots. Story arcs would be VERY top level. The Dominion war in trek. And Doctor who and bad wolf. And even then they made bad wolf very subtle and they put it To play and showed it back to us
@@lionsjourney29 BS. Look at video of the producers saying what I wrote
their democrat traders
WTF?
I think you meant "They're democrat traitors". but I second @PersonaIncognito in saying WTF?
Colonel Tigh got HANDS
Another unneeded plot that was immediately dropped
You seem very confused.