What's the WORST PLAY you can make at Low Stakes?
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Bart Hanson, owner of Crush Live Poker explains one of the worst plays that you can make at the low stakes of poker.
In this hand Ryan calls in with one where he flops ace high and an open ended straight draw, turns top pair and gets raised and then is faced with a river decision when he makes aces up. He and Bart go over the options from out of position at the end of the hand.
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I don't think he was bluffing the river, these types of players aren't thinking on the level of "what can call me for this size", they are looking at their hand and thinking "I have top pair so I should bet"
Top pair, decent kicker, repping a possible straight draw.
Yeah, they frequently turn mediocre hands into bluffs accidentally 😂
@@Love1isallI could definitely be accused of this from time to time.
Then other times I have had situations where I thought I was bluffing only to have value bet.
Then I have certainly value owned myself plenty of times as well.
@@jeffshackleford3152lol I did that my last session. Had QX❤ with 2 hearts on the board, river was a third spade. Bluffed my missed flush draw for the other flush and won at showdown with a pair of queens? Wish I knew what the other 2 mucked. 1-3 is wild.
He takes thinking to the next step and it's easy to see where he comes up with a logical play. I find my self doing it in certain situations but not as much as I should.
It's kind of crazy how we didn't discuss Ace suited on the flop or the turn it totally went over my head but after seeing it shown makes a lot of sense
suited A is often in a ton of hands that are raised pre-flop / calling a raise pre-flop.
This villain wasn’t bluffing river, guys who play every hand don’t think on the level of turning top pair into a bluff. He was betting for value and prob didn’t notice that there was 4 to a straight on the board.
I agree
He was probably not even betting for value, just betting because top pair has to bet, right? There is absolutely no thought process that he wants to be called by worse (pretty much all worse Ax has him beat, even if you discount the Ax with a straight). Fish don't think in terms of bluff and value (at least in the correct way), they either click random buttons or do something because "you're supposed to".
@CrushlivePoker Bart can you do a PSA about what effective stack means so the callers don't keep using it incorrectly? Its always hilarious when they go around the table and list everyones stack as their 'effective stack.' Lol hey callers effective means the lowest of the stacks at the time. Callers just parroting terms with 0 idea what's going on.
@CrushlivePoker Bart can you do a PSA on basic english so I don't have to read sentences containing phrases like "don't keep using it incorrectly?"
@@jamesfancher7508 haha found the guy who doesn't know what effective stack size is. P.S. your brain is just too underdeveloped to read.
holy shit could this be any slower paced?
Jason Beaulieu I doubt it ...
play it at 1.5x speed
@@maximehebert4627 To be fair, Mr Crush seems to be balancing his check book simultaneously with interacting with the interviewee. Well, who knows what he's doing on top of monitoring the live feed but clearly he's not single-tasking. So, that might explain why his attention is not ... shall we say ... laser focused LOL
I've seen less plodding analyses when I've asked "Is there a God?
Thats why many poker players don't indulge in hand analysis, its very tedious. This was especially brutal.
thanks Bart for keeping these vids coming, brilliant as usual.
Given his table image of playing any two cards it makes sense for the villain to turn AsTs into a bluff on the river where there’s a four-liner. From villain’s perspective the only hands he should be getting called by are those which have made the smart end of the straight specifically A.8 and 8.8.
I don't think in his head he was bluffing. He knew you did not have an 8 and he was value betting lol
Maybe 88 . That's not many combos
me too
I think the 'special villain' was actually value betting.. lol
That's immediately what I thought
Yes and it’s a horrible bet. No way a worse hand is calling you.
I dk there is no way the villain played bad. He was good pretty much all hand. If I was the villain I would be putting the hero on 10sjacks with a spade. The 300 was a bit much .
He missed his nut flush draw and decided to represent the straight... pretty straightforward and common I think. The hero in this case almost played the hand worse than the villain if you ask me.
@@marknoble5495 Which is what the villain wanted, a fold. He was on a nut flush draw, missed and decided to represent the straight.
If I’m breaking down this hand, I’m telling the hero to fold the turn. With the flush draw on board. The hero is drawing to only 6 realistic clean outs making him an 85% dog.
The caller thought having a draw out of position against a guy who doesn't fold is a great spot.
pretty cringe
Isn't it a strange phenomenon ? I bet he's not the only rock out there with no bluffing range who thinks all his play is + ev against players who play more then one hand every third orbit
Welcome to low stakes poker.
Having a draw against a station is a good spot. are you stupid? why wouldnt having a draw against a station be good?
@@JackJackKcajify because draws miss more than they hit and you won’t be able to bluff him off a better hand if he’s calling too often?
He probably put hero on AQ or AK (hero said he had only been showing exceptional hands... which in this instance the range could be AKs or AQs or a set...) and knew he was behind and the 6 on the river was a good card to bluff for that specific range. He also knows that you know he is playing any 2 cards so his range is more likely to have the straight combinations. I don't think the villain didn't know what he was doing... I think he just made too small of a bet. Imo a bet here of 475 would be solid and force a fold.
@Einstien Brown yep, I am confused by that idea too - and also the fact that they keep talking about how the villain was bluffing because he was polarized... he bet 1/2 pot on the river... he was clearly value betting. if he wanted to polarize he would have gone all in for a little less than pot.
Thanks for the breakdown, Bart. I do have a couple of questions. 1) If we are trying to iso special villain OTF, why not go bigger with sizing? Half pot seems like we are leaving money on the table. 2) At about 6:22 villain is referred to as super lag, which confused me as actions seemed passive until this point. When does categorizing villains become detrimental to how we play the hand? From my perspective, "trapping" a player with no concept of relative hand strength seems standard, while check-calling a station seems disastrous.
I think caller meant he is passive calling station
V was 100% betting the river for value
I don't think villain knows what a "value" bet is tbh
No I was bluffing u idiots . I thought 325 was a good bet sizing to target Aj combos,Aq combos,Ak combos. He had a tight image I didn’t think he raised $25 with A6 of clubs. I knew once he called my raised he had Ace. I thought I had kicker problems . Good for the hero raising with A 6
The worst low stakes play determined is playing a hand just for the chance of a jackpot . Low stakes players use this as a excuse to play any suited cards and make people feel bad for not giving as much action . So 6 4 suited is not likely to be a jackpot hand but it can and if you dont play it you might kill the jackpot many will say. I say F the jackpot it's just a way for the house to rake more money and create the illusion of a big winner .
I go to different table if stuck w OMCs chasing the high hand. Happens more early in the day.
@@mattstieg5388 high hand is one thing you can will that with your mind sometimes. The jackpot is incredibly hard to hit . Out of 22 years of playing cash games poker I once got a table share of the jackpot at the bike I got 1600 $ also happen to be when Jamie gold was playing at the high stakes table I think Niel was the host .
I liked this call and I liked this caller! (Don't think caller initially mentioned villain was aggro because when villain bombed river I too was under impression he was loose passive, not necessarily aggro/bluffy). Great analysis from Bart, including line of leading out on river as we block 6 8, etc.
Okay me too!
I didn’t read the comments, but I’m surprised they didn’t put the villain on A8ss. Flopped the nut flush draw, picks up top pair on the turn, and drills the hidden straight on the river. AT still required hero to go runner runner to suck out on the river. Hero was very lucky here, and even more lucky he didn’t run into A8ss, that could have just as easily been a hand played there.
It felt like villain was repping A8
Lucky in actuality, but villain had a wider than normal range & rep = harder to put on the stone A8ss
Funny thing is, the villain was right. The hero didn't have the 8. Just so happens that the Hero sucked out and the 6 actually made his hand better
Correct. Basically our hero made a could call of the raise and bet, then sucked out on the end. I guess the mistake from the header was not checking back the river when there was 4 to the straight. Guessing he did not see that
He wasn't bluffing, in his head it was 100% for value. I also agree with your logic of bet folding the river.
I find it hard to believe villain was valuebetting river, tbh.
Pretty sure he was afraid his hand wasnt good enough and decided to turn it into a bluff on that scary looking river.
TD Yet bad enough to play every hand?
Scary looking river? If the river helps the hero he is never folding his straight… with nothing above trips on the board
I know some guys who vpip close to 100%, but then play pretty straight up post
You know, Mike Postle?
Where the hell is he? Lol
True, not every preflop call station plays loose or aggressive on flop.
The most hilarious is when you make all in vs one of them and he gets pocket aces in his hand. Freaking game
@@jonathanpezzati9115 I played a game with a 100% VPIP, literally wouldn’t fold any hand preflop to any bet size. Must have been drunk or something.
He limped UTG, folded round to me in the small blind, I shove with KK, big blind calls, fish calls. Big blind has AA and triples up 🙄. Fish leaves table fml.
@@nicks210684 could you imagine AA from a 70%+ VPIP? I literally don't. This is why I'm taking a pause from poker online
Sounds like a fun table.
His mindset is definitely bluff 2 pairs and 3 of a kind to fold with the straight set up on river.
I had him on Broadway ace suited spades. I was leaning more for A K or A Q
Why is it that all heros always have a "very solid, TAG-like image" at the table? I haven't even finished the video yet, but this tilts me so much.
Callers to this show are not a representative sample. They are self selected callers. That is, players who know this show exists know that a TAG image is a solid strategy at 1/3.
TAG?
@@coreykuhl3079 Tight aggressive. It means they play few but strong cards, and when they play them they make aggressive actions (bet, raise, check-raise, 3-bet) rather than passive actions (calling, checking).
This naming convention includes Tag (tight aggressive), Lag (loose aggresive), tight passive (old man poker, never winning big), and loose passive (the loosingest strategy ever).
Playing TAG, even poorly, is a winning strategy at small stakes games (e.g., 1/2, 2/3, possibly ever 2/5) because it's really hard for you to make a mistake (its hard to mis-play strong hands), which means you will make fewer mistakes than your opponents.
@@coreykuhl3079 tight aggressive. Fewer hands - aggressive when in.
My guess was As-2s. I have seen this move before on turn, over valuing top pair + flush draw. It's common from bad rec players 🙂
I disagree with Bart about the worst play. I think the worst play is when you try to bluff someone that you know is a calling station.
I've feel like I've been in games like this a lot. Where this type of player is at a table, goes on a little run / gets lucky and accumulates some chips and everyone wants to get in against him. This video def helps me in how to think through the hand when I've got a good, but not great hand.
I call these players weigh stations because they are just holding chips for you temporarily, it’s just a matter of Time. Im rooting for them to run good.
@@officeofpeaceinformation5094I like this term.
I may steal it.
I will credit you in any future uses of the term.
I play in a few games where this guy is a super station and he picks off bluffs all day long, then when I finally make a hand, I take all his hard work away.
I have played with this guy for 30 or so sessions and he still hasn't figured out that is what I do.
This hand illustrates position, IMO.
Like against this opponent, it was fine; he was so wide in his potential holdings that we just call the river and don’t feel afraid.
But change some parameters about this guy. I see many dudes who play close to a 100 VPIP and play bingo poker postflop. They don’t bluff. They don’t make thin value raises. They just have it.
So we have Bart advocating for a donk blocker bet (fwiw this IS a card we’d wanna have leads on), and now we’re kind of playing like the fish do. You know the move; a round of betting happens, the next card changes nothing and they donk (i call it the idiot checkraise). So often it’s “I don’t want to face a bigger bet so I’m going to set my own price”.
I mock these guys for this play, but honestly, here it might be the best play. And that’s the issue w/ being OOP. We are going to play our hand worse.
I like this caller. But I do think his idea of a “good scenario” is different from mine. I never want a dude like this to call in position. It makes the rest of the pot a landmine.
True I think Barts concept of not check calling applies more to when you in the blinds and call a flop bet with Second/middle pair then V checks back turn and river is a brick.Well there you should lead out because is V value betting 3rd pair or say Ax(which has some showdown value)? Doubtful but he may call as a bluff catch with those.
When he plays in such a way that your mediocre hand has a high chance of being best then check calling makes no sense but here the guy did raise the turn and the board by the river is absolutely horrible so this situation doesn’t really explain the concept well,Batd thinks the guy will only bet a str8 on the end and because of blockers he may not have one but I could see a set or even top 2 pair betting here,why would he think Hero has better?
@@Gos1234567 Well Bart's reasoning is 100% sound. The main reasons to have check calls are
1) Balanced strategy, obviously
2) Give your opponent a chance to bluff
3) Give your opponent a chance to value cut.
Like example hand: HJ opens to 3 bb and we call in the BB with Ah7h
(6.5) Kh7c3d
We check call a 3 bb bet
(12.5) 8h
We check call a 9 bb bet
(30.5) 7
Our decision here would probably be way different at 1/2 than at 5/10. At 5/10, we'd check and either raise or call depending on the sizing. At 1/2, we should almost exclusively be making a large river bet under the assumption that our opponent is incapable of folding a king or AA, and incapable of ever raising us without a boat. Clearly against a smart opponent who knows we donk any hand with a 7 in it on the river, we would never do this because they'll abuse us by value betting any king and bluffing a lot.
So why would we donk at 1/2? Well for one, as alluded to prior, balance isn't very important because our opponents aren't thinking about much more than their absolute hand strength. Triple barrel bluffs are exceedingly rare at 1/2, so we don't really induce hopeless bluffs. And people don't value cut very often at this level: the amount of check downs on the river is absolutely insane. So we kind of don't have a reason to check call.
Of course, this gameplay aspect ends up sticking with weaker players as they move up levels. I still remember the time my buddy snap folded a straight on Kd85-7d-3d after some guy overcalled a big flop bet, putting him squarely on a rivered backdoor flush. He was 100% ready to make a huge river bet himself, but his opponent let him off the hook because said opponent is so programmed to not try to induce bluffs or value cuts.
So basically he called flop w/ terrible equity, hit his miracle and couldn't get paid, because he was forced to play so poorly due to out of position.
Hence, just fold more OOP.
@@joeregan63 Totally agree with all of this,you hit those trips at the end there and overpairs arent betting but no way are they folding.agree about inducing bluffs is a waste of time at lower stakes unless you know specifically the guy is agrro,other wise just bet your value frequently and bigger.
good fold by your buddy and i think folding in spots where most would call is the key to poker,dont know about higher levels but at lower stakes bluffing and bluffcatching is bleeding money.
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What's the worst poker advice imaginable sound like lol. This guy is a joke.
Great job Bart, please keep em' coming. VERY enjoyable. FYI the Poker Beast recommended you. Thanks and regards, PJK
You have got much better at poker Bart within 3 years
I could understand if Villain raised the turn with A3/A6/A8 of spades, but his line throughout is typical of someone only thinking of their own cards.
As bad as the opponent sounds here, I can kind of get behind the way he played turn and river (though as others have said he very well may have just been value betting the river). But the turn raise allows him to bluff a lot of rivers if he misses, as he's repping a straight already, and if he hits his spade he's got a quasi disguised flush. It's likely he's just really bad and didn't know what he was doing like Bart said, but just playing Devil's Advocate.
I agree -- I think both turn and river are not terrible by Villain. Villain has slightly more equity at the turn and then when he missed the river, why not turn the pair into a bluff, but I think he needs to bet more. Then combos of value vs combos of bluffs make it harder for Hero to call (although maybe Villain's table image makes the play more difficult)
He was semi bluffing thinking that he could get two pair to fold and so forth
Agreed. He is trying to fold out 64s, 67, A5, A6, 75 etc. What hands does he beat there on the river?
32 was all I could think during this hand, really surprised it wasnt that honestly. I think villain would play it excactly like this. For sure he bets a 7-3 straight on the river when checked to.
that's *all* you could think? 32? seriously?
Why the hell would the villain check raise the turn with 32? If anything guys that play anything and everything gets extra scared when they see an A on the board when they don’t have one. The point here is that you need to start putting people on ranges, not a specific hand. I thought maybe pocket 4s or something but definitely not 23 once that Ace came on the turn and he ended up check raising. I don’t think 73 plays the hand this way either.
Nathan H 32 makes a straight on the turn, why would they be scared of an ace? They’re only losing to 63 and 86 which are pretty unlikely preflop raises from hero.
At 11:05, I'm guessing villain's got 3c2c, so he had a flush draw and straight draw on the flop, and then a straight on the turn.
This is exactly what I thought
Bluffing my ass, it’s 1/3 player owning the table the past hour value betting his ace
If this guy is that active and has show a propensity to bluff, doesn't leading out on the river open up hero to be bluffed raised though?
it would take a real maniac to raise without a straight...
kzkilla808 yea that’s why I don’t like a lead intending to fold into an aggressive guy,you may either blow out his bluffs or even get (a small percentage of the time) get bluff raised or just get called by a better hand.I can’t see a worst hand called your river donk.
Against an aggressive this is a check call to me,v a passive it’s check fold (is a passive raising turn and betting river in that board)
I can’t get with Bart on this one
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A lot of players have this thought process. The want to protect their money more than risk it.
But the logic discussed in the hand seems solid. The hands that this villain could have, and call with in this spot - it is argued -outnumber the hands that actually beat you. If that’s true then the lead on the end should be more profitable in the long run. I think this is a pretty useful distinction if you want to get full value for hands. Although this présumés that the villain will check some hands back if you don’t lead.
I would use it sparingly but it has some advantages against the right players. If I decide on betting into a hand that I might plan to check call, at least I get to set the price of the bet in many cases. River bets out of position when the other player has been jacking up the pot look strong, and it’s going to be fairly rare to see a jam over it without it being a hand that crushes you anyway. In live play, sometimes you can actually get good players to fold winning hands. (eg. Q J folding to 10 J on a jack high board. )
I think the general way of thinking about river bets here is quite useful.
it's actually muchmuch harder to bluff raise even for a deranged player...
There’s no stack depth to bluff raise.
If hero leads out for $200 on the river that looks might suspicious. Like guy with an 8 who wants to be called. So bluffing seems insane.
On the other hand if hero leads out big then he’s pretty much all in so bluff raising is again out the question.
I'm just a noob, so take this for its worth. But I don't see Villan's play as bad here at all until the river. He flats your open with A10s on the button which is fine. He has the nut flush draw 35% of the time after the flop with 2 overs on the board. Calling your half pot bet is a positive EV play for him every time. He can put hero on a super wide range at this point. When the Ah comes on the turn and you lead for about 1/3, pot, I like his re-raise because it turned your hand face up. If you are calling, he knows you have an Ace and he has the nut flush blocker. At best for you, maybe you have a combo draw with your ace. He can still draw to the nuts. But maybe you have a better kicker than his A10. When he misses the flush on the river, at that point when you check, he has to make a decision. Does he feel is 10 is too low as a kicker and you have AJ+ so he needs to bluff? Is he trying to fold out your lower 2 pair holdings? 3 or an 8 give you a straight. That is 10 possible other hole cards he loses to with A10. He only beats A,2 and A9, and splits with A10. I see the river bet as a bluff not a punt. I feel like his mistake was his sizing was too small. Because he should have put hero on an Ace, evaluated what he could beat, realized your weakness on the river check after calling the turn reraise.
I am looking at this hand and I am far from convinced that the villain made a mistake.
Calling preflop and on the flop are both very reasonable plays. A flop raise might be better due to his high equity combined with a range advantage, but calling is fine.
The turn raise seems 100% clear. The range of hands that bet this turn includes a lot of hands worse than Aces.
In fact, the preflop raiser should probably make this turn bet with his entire range (once he bet the flop) since the Ace is so good for his range even when his actual hand does not like it.
When the caller calls the raise, things change a lot. What can he call with? Broadway spade draws? AK-AJ? A3s/A4s/A5s/A6s/A7s?
76s?
Anything else likely folds.
So what about the river bet? This is a really bad card for the super villain. Betting with AsTs here is an odd bet because it might be a bluff and it might be for value. But since most of your turn calling range with showdown value either improved or was already ahead, this bet is really now just a bluff. But is it a bad bluff? How often does the hero have AK-AJ? I just don't think the hero folds those on a turn raise. So this bluff seems like it might work, unless our hero manages to call again after that scary river. I don't think AK will make money calling here. Even the A6 was a very marginal call. Very tough spot for both players, but I don't think either really played poorly.
Had the river been a total brick, like a 5, then a river bluff seems too risky. if AT-AK called your raise, then it is not folding on the river unless you jam, and that may not work either. When a hand like AK calls the turn raise, it is not folding to a river brick very often.
I see your point on the river but there are so many better hands to chose to bluff than A10s I think it has way too much showdown value. Especially if ranges are as wide as hero explained in this clip.
Villain wasn't terrible until the river bluff vs wide range that beats him. Only 3 higher AJ-AKss he beats that won't call him off anyway. No lower unpaired A would call either. Many hate to surrender missed draws especially w a piece, but should've checked that showdown value.
This was a great tutorial… cause I’m folding the river…. But talking about him not Likely having 8 6 with a river 6 makes so much sense….. thanks for continuing to improve my thinking process!🙏
If someone is playing any 2 cards preflop you have to be happy calling much wider
The main reason to not cbet in this spot is that facing a raise or a check raise would be a very bad turn of event. Against very passive players, cbetting small is ok.
Love the channel man. Great content and really helpful for someone trying to get into the game. Thanks for putting this stuff out there
Boy is this analysis bad. You think shoving with top pair on such a scary board won’t get through most of the time? If hero didn’t land a miracle 2 pair or slow play the straight it’s insta fold
nice breakdown, much respect!
Monster call that could have been easier on the pocket if he would have just bet the amount he wanted on the river. Sometimes being out of position helps when you are the first to bet the pot; especially when you 3 barrel it. Nice hand!
How is it a bluff if he has a pair of Aces. This video is over analyzing the hand. It is a basic call. You have to look him up. My guess was just a busted straight or flush draw with possible back up pair. I was close. So many things go.into it besides just seeing or feeling.
HTF do we get to say the villain is bluffing? I think this is one of the worst breakdowns. Hero had the worst and still had worst of it when he got raised on turn. He hit one of his 8 outs on the river so villain was just value betting...
Enjoyed the analysis but I think I disagree with Bart somewhat re. the river decision. I think x/c is fine here. Reasons being:
1) A lot of the worse value hands we're targeting with a lead may well bet the river themselves anyway. Fish tend to merge to a ridiculous extent on the river because, as one of the other comments noted, they don't really think in terms of "value" or "bluff" in the same way that regs do and will often bet simply because they think they have the best hand. This hand is a prime example of that- our opponent's thought process here probably didn't go much deeper than "I have top pair, I bet".
2) I think that the analysis underestimates the amount of pure bluffs villain can have on the river here. If he really is playing every hand then he has every possible spade combo here and it's reasonable to think that he will take this line with at least some of them at some frequency and then follow through on the river.
3) If our plan is to block/fold the river, there's even a small chance that we can induce a value shove from this whale with a worse aces up and end up folding the best hand, which would obviously be a huge disaster.
I do definitely agree that the flop should usually be a check though.
Hey could you please use 4 color cards? It's hard to tell spades from the clubs.
If this villain is playing any 2 cards and re-raises the turn on an Ace, I’d think they had 2s3s for a turned straight with a draw to the flush. Never heard that mentioned in this video but 86 isn’t the only thing they could’ve had on the flop.
Although I feel like the advice is sound. This logic is hard to follow and I don’t feel a better player from listening to this analysis.
This player has been said to been running well while also playing any 2 cards. While that’s important, in most cases he’s not truly playing ANY 2 cards but understand you’re playing a wider range. With that in mind, even though he’s playing wider pre-flop doesn’t mean he has nothing which leads us to the logical question: “what’s his range” and what does he think you have/ your range is.
By the river he very well probably thought you didn’t have a 3 and over bet A10. Maybe he overvalued it, maybe he put you on 2 pair that was scared and wanted a fold.
But the whole time through this analysis, we should’ve started to establish a range of hands, and based our decisions to check/bet/check-raise based on what our villains range was.
In your analysis, not once was it mentioned the guy had the nut flush draw. I think the guy played the hand perfectly apart from the raise on the turn and maybe the value bet on the river.
I actually think the Villain thought he was going for Value lol. He doesnt see the hero having an 8 so I genuinely think that 325 was him value owning himself. If that 6 doesnt peel off on the end, even if it's a 3 or an 8 I bet you he still bets lol.
🤔 you don't seem to realize that the villain actually has the best hand till the river . His ace has a better kicker and his hand better equity with the flush draw .
Worst play possible in poker is checking in the dark on the river in position
Villains raise on the turn is pretty much mandatory. I assumed A x of spades was a huge part of his range. His river bet was a polarization mistake and a pretty big blunder. What Aces is villain beating? AJ and above is better, A8 is a straight, A3 is a straight and the other middling Aces are Aces up. He is literally only beating A9 and A2 pretty thin. And without at LEAST an Ace why would Hero ever call?
Villain pretty heavily criticised here IMO. He raised the turn with a very good hand. He got our hero to commit more chips on the turn as a 4-1 dog. Bit of a suck-out really w/ 9 outs max, the villain should have jammed the river; may as well put 190 more in to try and get hero to fold. Maybe he thought 325 looks stronger. Personally a 5 sec pause, quick glance at hero's chips followed by a shove and he takes it down. He could have made it look strong after the check raise turn.
Agreed. I like the flop no raise from villain as with his draw to the nuts he wants more opponents in the pot. Then on the turn, in position, he seizes control from the hero - who is showing a lot of weakness. And completely agree with you on villains river thinking
Yeah but I think he's being criticized for not recognizing the straight possibilities. Hero having an 8 in his range like 7,8 ; 8,9, A 8 make complete sense on how the board played out. Jamming the river risky here.
Villain practically min-raised the turn and gave hero fantastic drawing odds, so that's his fault. Turn raise should have been 250-275 total, which is a standard half-pot raise.
@@noex100 2.66 x raise on turn and the pot was only 275 when he raised to 200. What are you talking about? The villain was more than an 80% fav on the turn btw. Honestly, your comment reads as result bias to me.
@@paulpena5040 Yeah, I think I agree mostly regarding river; we don't actually know what he was thinking but I am jamming or checking back - poor bastard getting crucified when he was 82% on the turn and built a pot.
A6s preflop raises to 425 (8.3bb) and gets three callers, all out of position, and $800-$1200 dollar stacks..... in a $1/3 game. SMH.
He raised to 25
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Exactly!
Bart is trying to apply reason to a player who is just gonna barrel and be aggressive with any hand, villain is just a maniac. Still, nice hero call!
I ran into a guy exactly like this last week. He called any pre flop bet with anything. Even all in jams. I had AQo and raised pre. Flop was rainbow A high. I bet he calls. Turn is a blank. I bet he calls. River puts a 3rd heart on the board. At this point there is more in the pot than I have in my stack so I put the rest out there. He calls and shows T4h. He called me all they way down with just a back door flush draw and made it. You have to be careful with these types of players. In the scenario in this video I was 100% expecting the villain to have A3o.
so the worst play at low stakes is....?
really interesting hand and great analysis. however I'm not even necessarily sure that villians bet on the River wasnt for value. look at it from his view: you raise (you have tight image) you bet flop (could be TT JJ QQ KK etc.) A comes bet again small (he thinks this is a block bet and he has you with pair of A and just in case he doesnt he has outs) river you check. he knows he has a loose image so he goes for value with his A. rec players play weird lines sometimes that dont make sense but i noticed that even bad players are usually aware of their image and know when to bet light for value. often they valueown themselves but sometimes they get a call from worse and that is what they remember and so they keep doing that.
I guess checking the river was right move lol like poker is poker 2022 no “rightway” to play if u know how to play poker u know how to play poker… 90s early 2000s u could play like Mike Matasow and win now then dawn in 2010s… I think poker agiainn is different 2020s
Personally I like the villains play. Hero said his range is ATC, so his range easily includes A3, 23, 78 type hands, sets etc. Our Hero said he only shows made hands so his range in villains eyes is probably 88+, AT+ on the turn. When the raise to $200 gets called, villain likely puts him on AT+ and turns his hand into a bluff.
It's a lot harder for hero to have a set of straight in his range on the river given the action so villain either takes it down or forces hero to make a hero call.
@M S I don't think he's betting for value on the river, I think he's turned his hand into a bluff. I feel that by this point villain has put Hero on AT+ (probably thinking he has AK or AQ).
A bunch of spades he could have as a bluff. Broadway spades without the ace obv and he could raise the turn with a flush draw. Im not saying he’s likely to have naked spades, I’m just saying its certainly possible.
I'm not sure I understand how A-10 played the hand so poorly. If I'm missing something please let me know, I'm no expert. Preflop = seems standard, flop = standard. I actually think the villain turn raise could make sense. Hes drawing to the nuts, hit top pair, wants to build a pot if his hand hits, and it seems so rare to be raised in this spot by the hero. Also the low cards on the board could favor villians range preflop as the caller. If hero just calls on the turn, the villian sets his own price (as the hero will most likely check to villain on the river) and gets an extra bet out of our hero in case the flush comes on the river and the hero is scared of the flush. The hero may not put another dime in if the flush comes. Plus his A-10 might be good on the turn (it was). By the river it appears the villain knew he was beat and put in a chunky bet to blow A-K or A-Q out of the pot as theses are the 2 most likely hero holdings. That's how I read it....or I could just be an idiot.
But what are you getting called by on the river? Yea you get AK, AJ, and AQ to fold. But you get no value from literally any calls. All straights raise you, and some bluffs raise you and you lose your showdown value. I might turn a hand like A9 suited into a bluff here as I block 89 and just jam. When you're beating such a large portion of my range with a marginal hand, just check back and take the showdown.
Before river though, I agree he played standard. I'd be inclined to raise flop, but with 2 players behind, I can understand the call.
I think you’re spot on… I would’ve put the hero on no worse than AQ… which bears my A10 suited. With the straight out there which the hero should not be in on with his large pre flop bet I think the bet on the river by the villain makes sense and almost works… probably should’ve shoved and he would’ve won the pot
Why do you call the villain's $325 river bet a bluff? I get it that he doesn't have the nuts, but are you still considering the $325 river bet a bluff if the villain believes his A10 is the best hand here?
I agree with betting the river for all the started reasons; but building on top of those, in my experience an overbet is called by a worse hand with almost the same range as a half-pot bet.
Why not shove the river?
This is how my friends play when we play home games no wonder I have like a 90% win rate
you should quit your job sell everything move to vegas and become a pro.
@@charlesfoutch1132 who pissed you off.
@@RetroGames68 no i was serious anyone winning 90% of the time should play professionialy
@@charlesfoutch1132 I presume it was an exaggeration. Even Doug Polk heads up against a total beginner wouldn’t win 90% of the individual games.
Fun fact: if you play a single heads up match 50 BBs deep and shove every hand preflop heads up without looking at your cards you’ll still win 37% of the time vs the optimal strategy.
Not knowing the vill, couldn't he have over played say a 6,6 and then got lucky on the river? Could he have tried a bluff on the turn when the A came?
The worst play you can make at low stakes is bluff and get creative. Playing loose standard while at the same time giving action without doing big bluffs or big creative plays is the best way.
I almost agree with you. I would say the worst play you can make at low stakes is to bluff someone that you know is a calling station.
It's fine to get creative and bluff people if you think they're scared of putting a lot of money into a pot when they don't have the nuts.
@@gabrielrockman Everyone at low stakes is a calling station.
That's why they are playing low stakes :)
Man this guy hasn’t aged a bit, just caught on it’s an old video. He is way more polished in the calls and delivery now tho
Man, this Bart guy does not listen. Villain plays every hand. What, he gets playable hands every time for an hour? No. He's a psycho. If villain is the kind of player he sounds like, he was getting away with blowing guys off hands and was simply bluffing the turn, bluffing the river, not putting hero on an Ace or not even caring. One of these guys shows up at every table in LA. In a good game, with any decent players, he builds a stack, then goes broke. What you hope is he has a trust fund, so he reloads and does it again.
Villian shoulda checked river
The ace is a great check card idc what if he raises??
Clear value bet from fish. I see that all the time. He happily imvest to scoop that pot with "descent" ace 😂
I dont understand why bluffing w A 10 at the end is a bad play.
What can he have that he beats A6? 98 spades or any 8 spade suited hand like T8 or A8 spades... A7. Set raises the flop on such a wet board. Bet on the river is usually a bluff when it's checked to him, or a big ace where your check makes him think he's ahead or a busted flush draw. Frankly, the turn raise tells me he either hit two pair on the turn or had Ax of spades and hit the ace. He thinks he's either ahead here or has a LOT of outs. if you bet the river, he just calls unless he has you beat. If you check the river, you really HAVE to call simply because he is bluffing or thinks is pair of aces is good about 75% of the time, and you are getting odds for sure to make that call. I personally agree with Bart that you should bet the river... but you made an extra $175 by checking, so what do I know?
V had the best hand whole way.
Bart, I'd like this hand analysed from villain's side, i.e. "I have a pretty wild image and sit with AsTs and 800$ effective stacks on the Button, UTG limps and villain -a decent player - opens the CU for 25$, I call, BB + UTG call. ..."
What the heck was Bart talking about when he said vill was bluffing, vill had top pair with nut flush draw, it might be bad thin bet for value but it’s not bluffing by the vill. Bart is lost not recognizing the vill thought he was making a thin value bet or maybe the villain is trying represent he had had A8 making a str8. Either way didn’t understand why Bart say the vill was bluffing.
Interesting question on what it is "special villain" is thinking. Is it possible "special villain" is just turning his hand to a bluff? He may have known he's beat after hero calls check raise on turn. 6 on the river followed by hero check tells "special villain" that hero doesn't have a straight..the only way to win would then be to represent a straight. Or is that giving too much credit to him? 😆
Not trying to be the guy that knows what he had…. But when he bet the Ace my first thought was he had the Ace of spades with a flush draw…. Question for me was what was his other card? It felt like a bet with the nut flush draw on the turn and if the hero had the balls he could’ve check shoved on the River… but I don’t know that I would make that play either although it’s the right play! Crazy hand, that $325 bet was a good bet by that guy as he missed his flush but had some showdown value…
If you're playing against a no-fold button and you're drawing out of position, why do you want to build a big pot with a bet on the flop? I don't get that move. Seems to me a draw needs better pot odds than heads up can provide on the flop, so isolating doesn't really seem to be a good value move, and there's no bluff value against button. With a strong draw, my line is usually keep the hand multi-way, and see cards relatively inexpensively. Dunno....
Kept thinking 23ss made sense there. Except for the pre flop flat but even thats not totally out of line on the button in a juicy game. two spades and up and down on the flop makes him continue against the c bet and the A hits him so he raises, then value bets the river check.
A10 makes no sense and is a terrible river bet, shouldn't be betting for value and shouldn't be bluffing with top pair, that should check back 100%
used to be a somewhat regular player at this room, not that it really matters. this is a check-call on the flop for the reasons bart mentioned. as played, this has to be a check to check-call on the turn, absolutely do not want to be playing for stacks with Ax when (in theory) a lot of villain's floats on the flop should be Ax (which are likely better than A6). the pot is already 75 BBs at this point and we have one pair. as played on turn facing the raise is a sickening spot but I think call is fine. on river leading is a frankly terrible idea, you should be praying to get to showdown cheaply. the best way to beat fish is to not play like a fish ourselves earlier in he hand and getting ourselves into these spots
Villain raised the turn, so he is repping an Ace. It is possible he has 68, but more likely an Ace, or absolutely nothing and he was raising the Ace to try and get a fold (the caller said he was a super LAG). If the Hero bets the river there is a decent chance the Villain folds even if he has an Ace, because there isn't a lot he can beat. He has to know that he is losing to lots of straights and better aces, so he shouldn't call many bets. The villain shouldn't bet this river when checked to either, because his hand is good enough to just show down. However, if the villain had been bluffing with his raise on the turn then there is a good chance he'll continue his bluff on the river, so I actually like the check call on the river.
Alot of yall are saying villain was value betting which he probably was, but i personally dont like the value bet on the river is a good one. The raise on the turn i like given his equity was a good one but when it gets called i think checking back is a better play because he literally only beats A9, A2, and A3... i mean hes calling the turn raise with all aces, and then medium cards with a 6 or twopairs sets etc. just tryna figure out exactly what hands hes trying to get value from
The kind of villain that plays 100% of hands might think his raise at the end is for value, you know, opponent checks and you have top pair, time to bet for value! What board? What opponent cards? They might not even think at that level at all, only thing they see is that they got ace on hand and ace on board.
Holy shit where can I find these games?! Not this type of action in New Hampshire.
100%!!!, I love this guy, - "sounds like a good game"... when everyone is calling a $15 open every time in a 1-3 game! Ha! People call that good action, I call it watching people blow off their stack.
East coast are arguably the best games in the country
@@bakaraymoo7389 that's so interesting. Why is that?
@@markr8250 no idea but I've been hearing it for years. It's like an ecosystem where a place can't stay hot too long. Like Vegas used to be good but now it's all grinders
@@bakaraymoo7389 I've actually played a lot at Borgata. You're right, the games are great. But FYI, I played at Bellagio in Vegas this week. The players were all experienced, but the game was very soft. Poker still lives.
Edit: I was playing 1/3
Another caller that doesn't know what effective stack means. Or optimally
I was think suited ace, the action looked very close to a missed flush draw but villain also looks like he thinks an ace is good
Villain definitely doesn't know what he's doing. He should have raided the flop with a semi-bluff. He might well have induced a fold, especially if his image is wild and playing any two cards.
I think preflop slow playing big pairs is the worst play in microstakes, if you haven't played a hand in awhile some of them are surprisingly smart enough to know what a pair of aces are....
It’s a fin bad call man. No block bet on river? Way too thirsty to catch this villain with weaker part of his range nearly got owned. River save tricking you into believing your call was good
11:40 AJ? what about 89 suited spades?