Key strategy breakdown of this flop action at 6:13 is worth listening to again. Villian's flop check raise doesn't represent as many flush draws as you may think. This more often is a made hand on an Ace high board vs. the preflop raiser, which means if the draw comes in and you are checked to then you have a good spot for a bluff.
First thing hero said "SB is a loose passive tourist type", who then c/r's flop and check/jams river. Those are alarm bells. To me the lesson is remember your initial read and don't get caught up in paralysis by analysis aka "no ones ever took this line with me". When loose passive tourists start c/r'ing and jamming, they have it.
I’m risk averse, with two checks in a row my initial thought is he is salivating to check raise, there’s got to be some of that in the range for this type of player, and I would check back the river. With a made hand that’s beat by some much stronger hands, I would just see who wins without risking more. Leaving some possible value on the table. I recognize this is probably -EV for me in the long run but it’s just my personality.
I dont like the river sizing, When V's range is so polar and all his value are full houses I dont think a pot size bet is the recipe for success @@Stockhandle123
@@alfredwang3391 I like it he is going to be pretty inelastic in his calls. Just charge his Bluff catchers and fold to his raises he's not gonna have any Bluffs here.
I like that bart talked about sizing your bet preflop from the amount you have in your stack. Feel like so many people watch stuff loke hustler casino streams and just call off so light and make 4-7x bb raises just because everyone they play with does, not understanding that people in those games are playing 300+bbs deep and are betting 2.5-3bbs as a open.
maybe in the games you play but even going off crush live poker youtube vids most people I would say are between only 100-200bbs on average and in most games people are opening for a lot more than what is considered normal by theory@@Stockhandle123
@@Stockhandle123 If you wrote that correctly, those games turn very nitty. I've had to lay down sets on not straight/flush boards because when a player is all in or massively overbetting when stacks are that deep the only thing he can have is a set. Of course every once in awhile you got someone from baccarat and wanted to match the biggest stack in an uncapped game so :D that was some fun, but generally the game was very tough.
@@daviddufresne9905 I take it you've never been to Texas I promise you those games are the exact opposite of nitty. Just last night a guy shoved in 800 big blinds with a pair and a gut shot he got called by two pair on the turn.
@@Jermo484both is correct. It is just important to remember the alarm when facing the check raise allin on river...at that point you can exclude AQ/AJ and remember the check on turn
@@davidm5417 yeah, the whole story by the river seemed like either an absurdly fishy bluff or a super thick value hand. But the turn on its own doesn't mean much.
@@uncletom06idk about at these stakes. But Villain either has nothing or the nuts, and if you think it is over bluffed, then you call. I probably would have called here with the flush draw missing. X/r flop is either a set, 2 pair or flush draw. AT is only like ~8 combos, way less likely than whatever other stuff will be called out the SB. Plus fish tend to over value A rag and think A pair is the nuts, as well as usually not understanding when their 2 pair is counterfeited. Sometimes you just run into top of range, mist of the time you don't, even regs have a hard time keeping bluffs under control on that board.
Love this show! I wish they included all the stack(s) though. Sure, the effective stack is very important, but why do they rarely mention the other stacks? If the eff. stack is say $500, and you/the other person(s) has like $5,000 (10 times the eff. stack) VS. you/they have only $550 (nearly the same as the eff. stack), then the way you/your opponent(s) play, and what you should consider when making your decisions should often be a major part of it.
14:03 _what hands play this way"_ V is polar. Either a monster hand (FH) or busted flush draw. I disagree that AK/AQ would check turn and river. (of course, depending on V profile. Some fish would risk to lose river values by checking with the top pair top kicker) Therefore: I'm checking back. (No weaker hand would call, nor stronger would fold).
I like your thinking overall. I do think AQ or AJ might check-call river though. I don't think a small thin value bet is crazy. I thought caller went too big. $150 is not the worst play.
@EllieBanks333 that's makes sense. AQ might x/c river due to paired board. . V played smart all streets. Put H on a draw...so, turn check is a must, then river check, too. Give H opportunit to either bet busted draws, or bet a made draw. And that's exactly what happen. Again, flop raise call is very very questionable.
The only bluff I’d try on the turn is a pot size bet but ya 10 a rly bad card here rly don’t mind checking bc the card just sucks maybe u hit ur hand on river
14:05 - checking turns is either a full house (I would still bet here OOP if I think my opponent is on a draw or has a hand like Ax to get value from those, but I would bet 1/3 - 1/2 pot. Other hands that could check here are Ax and they're afraid of the IP player having 10x of spades (10-Q, 10-K, 10-J) as now trips has them beat.
I think the question here is if V is capable of turning A8 into a bluff, if so its a clear call if not then there is not many natural bluffs thats taking XR, X, XR line.
@@nolimitpoker the question here is: what would made V believing H would bet river, to enable his x/r bluffing?? I do not see that ground. Unless he is a lunatic. So: no bluff.
@@jacobgoldman5780 Then, why's not V betting with pair of A or better?? River card does not complete any draws...(unless V is god and knew H had 79! Even the God would be wondering: _does he really have 79!_ ). . And then: if checked river, worrying about tripple T by H, then it's not the bluff. What if H bets with TX hand??, One cannot read V hand both ways: to give him credit for checking river with pair of A and saying he is bluffing. It could be either or. Since he x/r river, then another scenario applies. The one H cost tonnes of chips.
@@jacobgoldman5780problem with that logic is I think most villains might be tempted to just check-call with A8 because hero can also have a lot of missed draws he decides to bluff with, like J9, QJ and some spade draws. When hero checks behind turn it looks exactly like hero has a draw and wants to see another card (which he does) and the only draw that gets there is 97s. Everything else bricks out.
Tx might be better than 97s if hero even has any Tx by the river. Especially Txdd, but I don’t know that bet-calls the flop and then checks behind on turn.
Knowing that he had AT. How would you rate Villains strategy/line once he boats up? I mean, if you check turn and gets checked back. At these stakes, isn’t another check on the river just gonna lead to yet another check back in most cases, and you will have missed out on 2 streets of value?
Plenty of bluffs give up since they're no longer drawing to anything close to the nuts and they aren't getting hero to fold trips, a boat or quads obviously. That's literally the worst card in the deck for someone check raising flop as a bluff.
Is it all that crazy to check the river back on the paired board . Villain raised the flop he has A10 A8 1010 88 KQs KJs and a small portion of other flush draw miss . People rarely raise AQ AJ on the flop vs preflop raiser (also 3 bet pre a lot oop ). So what value are we left with to bet
I need to start at the river, because reasons. I think this is a fold. Bart seems to agree that it's a fold, but thinks it's close because of pot odds. I don't understand that because I cannot find any in-between hands. This is air or a boat. Unless you want to pretend villain has our same hand of 97 & I refuse to believe V has the spade version. And I agree with Bart that this is not TXss. This board texture is a bit weird because we really don't have any other hand here in the sense of say making a pair. In other words, if the river was a 7, would we call? It gets a bit messed up because that 7 would bring in something like a J9 for V. But lets pretend it didn't, we just have a pair of 7s. Is our hand strength really any different? I think there is 1135 in pot and we have 465 to call, so like 2.5 to 1 right? If we were getting 3 to 1, we need to win 1 in 4 right? That's 25%. I think the idea hero is good here 25% of the time is funny. I have to put V on a spade draw, so KQ KJ QJ J9. Then he has to check turn & then check-jam river. So now then, why did I start at the river? Because this is a trivial fold on the flop.
Then you aren’t folding out hands like 77, 99, JJ, QQ, QT, JT, etc. You are turning your hand face up that you dont have an Ace so unless you hit your hand its going to very hard to make money in the long run. Sounds way too passive to me, if you are 3B hands like 79s then you should be betting your draws
For the opponent I feel like the double check makes more sense with 10x than A10. He wants to unblock the A so hero can go for value on the river and he can get in the check raise.
I like an over bet on river. If we think villain has an Ace. He blocks all full houses and will look you up. If he raises your overbet it’s an easy fold
A missed combo draw. Lots of draws check turn when board pairs esspecially when hero calls the check raise on the flop indicating he likely has an ace that doesn't want to fold.
@@fluffysheapI think he’s only suggesting Tx hands that are also a spade draw. Txss is a combo draw. T9ss has 15 outs vs (say) AK. I think we all agree than no one is check-raising QT of hearts.
To me this looked like A10 a lot by the river. Are people really x-raising AK on the flop that often? Plus, villain will be raising that preflop a good percentage of the time. On the flop I'd think it could be pocket 10s or pocket 8s, or 10-8 or A10, but only one of those hands would want to check turn & river. Villain probably thinks he has so much of the board locked up, and hero might have a flush draw that he thinks the way to maximize value is via inducing a bluff.
Hand was a roller coaster I would have called flop too knowing he had a made hand then the turn in really think probably A8 or 8 full then the river check raise is always with a made hand I don’t see rec players take this line ever with a busted flush especially with a Ace on the board hard to piece together in the moment tho keep grinding
On the A high board I think V has to assume the hero’s range likes this board, decreasing the incentive to bluff. Plus if he does have trips or two pair having a straight becomes extremely profitable when it hits.
@@frederikmarohn6358 relying on hitting ur open ended with no flush possibilities on a reraise flop is just not that logical. Ur reasoning is so pot hungry and hopeful, and doesn’t improve ur long game strategy. Kinda sounds like ur hoping for the best possible outcome every time u run into this board texture.
@@livinaskipp8354not like you have to show your hand and you’re folding against a passive villain who check raised you on an A-high board. I don’t think aware players at the table are going to take that as a sign you’re easy to bluff.
A-10 or pocket 10's were my call on this. On the flop. I'm going check check turn river. Just sayin.Check raised flop on a draw and I don't have the flush and no made hand? Gone.
From experience, when a SB executes a check raise on multiple streets, they almost always have the goods. Before the reveal, my first thought was 10s for the villian. Chasing and/or making the nut straight into an already paired board is never a good spot.
Folding’s only “exploitable” if you can’t find any bluffs. Anyone who’s played with you long enough to “exploit” you… you’ll find some of these bluffs and call sometimes
Is it so crazy to just fold the flop here? That' what I'd have done. It seems like no one is ever folding to flop checkraises -- well actually that's an artifact of the format since hands that don't pass the flop don't make it through. But like, vs. a loose passive player, I think just folding the flop is the best option.
Six clean outs as stated by the caller is not correct. Any jack gives KQ the nuts so you are looking at 3 outs to the nuts only. Of course Bart points this out after I typed it. lol
This is a fold a large portion of the time especially against unknown players. Not too many players jamming all in after two checks unless it's the effective nuts. I'm with Bart I think the time to bet is on the turn. It he x/r again or hell even calls you have to assume your bear for sure.
7:32 I'd fold here (flop x/r). Not enough equity to continue. Open ender has only 6 outs (8 - 2 spades). Paying 24% risk with only 12% equity does not work. So, pot odds with implied odds are not in place.
There are too many strong hands here that won't fold. Hero has already called a check raise on the flop and then the straight and full house both came in. Your only real bluff target would be AK type hands. Everything weaker already folded on the flop and everything stronger isn't folding.
There is an old-school theory that you never bet a flush or straight draw into a paired flop. Additionally, I would never bet the river here given the action. You’re giving the SB too much credit for a semi-bluff with his check raise flop. Two pairs make more sense, or possibly a set, though I think a set might CR bigger to get rid of draws. I absolutely do not bet this river and either a)lose my equity by letting SB bluff me off hand, or b) fall into this trap with A-!0 makes most sense, followed by A-8, followed by 8-8 (which I think might have 3-bet pre flop) . Completely disagree with Bart and caller that they never check this back, and not because of the result.
right. Busted draw would not pay a dime...and if V jams, then...is he bluffing or he has nuts?? Putting myself in a stupid spot for a fistful od dollars?? Beside: I don't think that an A would checked turn and river back. Simply: one who x/r flop with an A, would not checked plain river card. . funny, that the MUST river bet advice is contradicting to the headline of the video??
"I've got an open ended straight draw, not counting spades I have 6 outs to the nuts..." Um no, no you don't. You have 3 outs to the nuts. Only non spade 6's
Oof. Think I just bet super small on the river here, and fold to a raise. This V's line makes my spider sense tingle. No way fish is jamming as a bluff, and there isn't much worse value that takes this line.
Makes a whole lot of sense, as it may allow some bluffs ( e.g. with J9s) for the same size. - I could see Villain having especially A8s, but AQ makes also sense, so there could still be some value in playing small bet- (snap) fold.
@anks333It has been a while. Good to see you. Took a break from commenting here to comment on 2+2. Just as many loons and d1cks there as here. Curiously, one woman there I thought might be you - similarly self-described, playing in similar-sounding games, similar tone to her comments. Not you, though, unless she was / you were lying to me about it. Been seeing some hands like this recently, with OOP x'r'ing flop and checking turn, or donking flop and going bet-bet-bet, on boards where there isn't much hero can do but bluff-catch or fold river - "5th street chicken".
Is Brad a “you def shoulda called vs the nuts” influencer guy? Wtf is going on I watched like 15 vids and is Brad on drugs? Hes like “ya I call there” what!!????
Key strategy breakdown of this flop action at 6:13 is worth listening to again. Villian's flop check raise doesn't represent as many flush draws as you may think. This more often is a made hand on an Ace high board vs. the preflop raiser, which means if the draw comes in and you are checked to then you have a good spot for a bluff.
that river check was cold
First thing hero said "SB is a loose passive tourist type", who then c/r's flop and check/jams river. Those are alarm bells.
To me the lesson is remember your initial read and don't get caught up in paralysis by analysis aka "no ones ever took this line with me". When loose passive tourists start c/r'ing and jamming, they have it.
I like the way he played it. Until the call at the end.
I’m risk averse, with two checks in a row my initial thought is he is salivating to check raise, there’s got to be some of that in the range for this type of player, and I would check back the river. With a made hand that’s beat by some much stronger hands, I would just see who wins without risking more. Leaving some possible value on the table. I recognize this is probably -EV for me in the long run but it’s just my personality.
I dont like the river sizing, When V's range is so polar and all his value are full houses I dont think a pot size bet is the recipe for success @@Stockhandle123
@@alfredwang3391 I like it he is going to be pretty inelastic in his calls. Just charge his Bluff catchers and fold to his raises he's not gonna have any Bluffs here.
Caller got owned tbh
I like that bart talked about sizing your bet preflop from the amount you have in your stack. Feel like so many people watch stuff loke hustler casino streams and just call off so light and make 4-7x bb raises just because everyone they play with does, not understanding that people in those games are playing 300+bbs deep and are betting 2.5-3bbs as a open.
Everywhere I play has match the stack now. We are all playing between 300 and 3000 big blinds deep. The game is a lot more fun when this is the case.
maybe in the games you play but even going off crush live poker youtube vids most people I would say are between only 100-200bbs on average and in most games people are opening for a lot more than what is considered normal by theory@@Stockhandle123
@@Stockhandle123 If you wrote that correctly, those games turn very nitty. I've had to lay down sets on not straight/flush boards because when a player is all in or massively overbetting when stacks are that deep the only thing he can have is a set. Of course every once in awhile you got someone from baccarat and wanted to match the biggest stack in an uncapped game so :D that was some fun, but generally the game was very tough.
@@daviddufresne9905 I take it you've never been to Texas I promise you those games are the exact opposite of nitty. Just last night a guy shoved in 800 big blinds with a pair and a gut shot he got called by two pair on the turn.
The turn check by villain sets off my boat alarm.
Eh live players are terrified of everything. He could still so easily have AQ or AJ there and just be afraid of a ten.
@@Jermo484both is correct. It is just important to remember the alarm when facing the check raise allin on river...at that point you can exclude AQ/AJ and remember the check on turn
@@davidm5417 yeah, the whole story by the river seemed like either an absurdly fishy bluff or a super thick value hand. But the turn on its own doesn't mean much.
This hero is a complete fish. The villain hand is so fucken face up... especially at these stakes.
@@uncletom06idk about at these stakes.
But
Villain either has nothing or the nuts, and if you think it is over bluffed, then you call.
I probably would have called here with the flush draw missing.
X/r flop is either a set, 2 pair or flush draw.
AT is only like ~8 combos, way less likely than whatever other stuff will be called out the SB.
Plus fish tend to over value A rag and think A pair is the nuts, as well as usually not understanding when their 2 pair is counterfeited.
Sometimes you just run into top of range, mist of the time you don't, even regs have a hard time keeping bluffs under control on that board.
Love this show! I wish they included all the stack(s) though. Sure, the effective stack is very important, but why do they rarely mention the other stacks? If the eff. stack is say $500, and you/the other person(s) has like $5,000 (10 times the eff. stack) VS. you/they have only $550 (nearly the same as the eff. stack), then the way you/your opponent(s) play, and what you should consider when making your decisions should often be a major part of it.
Whenever it’s relevant they mention it
14:03 _what hands play this way"_ V is polar. Either a monster hand (FH) or busted flush draw. I disagree that AK/AQ would check turn and river. (of course, depending on V profile. Some fish would risk to lose river values by checking with the top pair top kicker)
Therefore: I'm checking back. (No weaker hand would call, nor stronger would fold).
I like your thinking overall. I do think AQ or AJ might check-call river though. I don't think a small thin value bet is crazy. I thought caller went too big. $150 is not the worst play.
@EllieBanks333 that's makes sense. AQ might x/c river due to paired board.
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V played smart all streets. Put H on a draw...so, turn check is a must, then river check, too. Give H opportunit to either bet busted draws, or bet a made draw.
And that's exactly what happen. Again, flop raise call is very very questionable.
The only bluff I’d try on the turn is a pot size bet but ya 10 a rly bad card here rly don’t mind checking bc the card just sucks maybe u hit ur hand on river
What about KQs, QJs, KJs, J9s, Q9s? Those are all in his range and need to bluff at the end.
Would rarely check raise the flop with an Ace when the hero raised preflop dont you think
Love how he break down the hands👍🏾
14:05 - checking turns is either a full house (I would still bet here OOP if I think my opponent is on a draw or has a hand like Ax to get value from those, but I would bet 1/3 - 1/2 pot. Other hands that could check here are Ax and they're afraid of the IP player having 10x of spades (10-Q, 10-K, 10-J) as now trips has them beat.
I think the question here is if V is capable of turning A8 into a bluff, if so its a clear call if not then there is not many natural bluffs thats taking XR, X, XR line.
I agree the bluff will be a8 if he’s a pro. Thing is with the spr being so low. I don’t think any human is bluffing this spot.
@@nolimitpoker the question here is: what would made V believing H would bet river, to enable his x/r bluffing?? I do not see that ground. Unless he is a lunatic. So: no bluff.
@potkivach160 if it goes check check on River villain should never lose with an ace here.
@@jacobgoldman5780 Then, why's not V betting with pair of A or better?? River card does not complete any draws...(unless V is god and knew H had 79! Even the God would be wondering: _does he really have 79!_ ).
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And then: if checked river, worrying about tripple T by H, then it's not the bluff. What if H bets with TX hand??, One cannot read V hand both ways: to give him credit for checking river with pair of A and saying he is bluffing. It could be either or. Since he x/r river, then another scenario applies. The one H cost tonnes of chips.
@@jacobgoldman5780problem with that logic is I think most villains might be tempted to just check-call with A8 because hero can also have a lot of missed draws he decides to bluff with, like J9, QJ and some spade draws.
When hero checks behind turn it looks exactly like hero has a draw and wants to see another card (which he does) and the only draw that gets there is 97s. Everything else bricks out.
"Is he shorter than you?" "NO. wait I was referring to his chip stack."
Lmao
I was thinking "ask his girlfriend"😅
Really tough spot…. Has anyone ever called a river check raise and been good?
If you're going to call with one hand on the river, what would it be? 97s as the highest value, or A8s to block the boats?
Tx might be better than 97s if hero even has any Tx by the river. Especially Txdd, but I don’t know that bet-calls the flop and then checks behind on turn.
Pretty amusing reading about everyone saying easy fold. I'm betting that 90 percent of those saying that reluctantly make the same call!
Knowing that he had AT. How would you rate Villains strategy/line once he boats up? I mean, if you check turn and gets checked back. At these stakes, isn’t another check on the river just gonna lead to yet another check back in most cases, and you will have missed out on 2 streets of value?
Overfold the river check jam @2/5. Bluffs would continue bluffing on turn (IMO). Felt like A 10, 8 8, 10 8.
Plenty of bluffs give up since they're no longer drawing to anything close to the nuts and they aren't getting hero to fold trips, a boat or quads obviously. That's literally the worst card in the deck for someone check raising flop as a bluff.
10/10 does not seem to have been even considered.
Is it all that crazy to check the river back on the paired board . Villain raised the flop he has A10 A8 1010 88 KQs KJs and a small portion of other flush draw miss . People rarely raise AQ AJ on the flop vs preflop raiser (also 3 bet pre a lot oop ). So what value are we left with to bet
This was my thinking. If V was indeed playing a spade draw, then there is no amount he is calling on river surely?
I need to start at the river, because reasons. I think this is a fold. Bart seems to agree that it's a fold, but thinks it's close because of pot odds. I don't understand that because I cannot find any in-between hands. This is air or a boat. Unless you want to pretend villain has our same hand of 97 & I refuse to believe V has the spade version. And I agree with Bart that this is not TXss. This board texture is a bit weird because we really don't have any other hand here in the sense of say making a pair. In other words, if the river was a 7, would we call? It gets a bit messed up because that 7 would bring in something like a J9 for V. But lets pretend it didn't, we just have a pair of 7s. Is our hand strength really any different? I think there is 1135 in pot and we have 465 to call, so like 2.5 to 1 right? If we were getting 3 to 1, we need to win 1 in 4 right? That's 25%. I think the idea hero is good here 25% of the time is funny. I have to put V on a spade draw, so KQ KJ QJ J9. Then he has to check turn & then check-jam river.
So now then, why did I start at the river? Because this is a trivial fold on the flop.
just have a question, could you have checked the flop for a free turn card would = easier to read the hand while the pots smaller?
Then you aren’t folding out hands like 77, 99, JJ, QQ, QT, JT, etc. You are turning your hand face up that you dont have an Ace so unless you hit your hand its going to very hard to make money in the long run. Sounds way too passive to me, if you are 3B hands like 79s then you should be betting your draws
The ONLY hands V shows up with here that aren't boats are Tx of spades, and Bart said it well - I highly doubt players at 2/5 are taking that line.
For the opponent I feel like the double check makes more sense with 10x than A10. He wants to unblock the A so hero can go for value on the river and he can get in the check raise.
Good analysis by Bart on this hand
I like an over bet on river. If we think villain has an Ace. He blocks all full houses and will look you up. If he raises your overbet it’s an easy fold
Bart, you are going to break the game of poker if you keep this up.
Whats the worst hand that villan check raises the flop with and jams with on the river? K10s or Q10s?
A missed combo draw. Lots of draws check turn when board pairs esspecially when hero calls the check raise on the flop indicating he likely has an ace that doesn't want to fold.
I think putting V on TXss when he check-jams this river is wishful thinking.
@@AdamPawlowski-n5r and what's CO betting river with (?). Bluffing by SB makes no sense; nor x/r with TX (unless that X is A or 8!! ).
Nobody is check raising flop with QT or KT, which are only middle pair. Check raise on the flop is either a combo draw or 2P/set.
@@fluffysheapI think he’s only suggesting Tx hands that are also a spade draw. Txss is a combo draw. T9ss has 15 outs vs (say) AK.
I think we all agree than no one is check-raising QT of hearts.
To me this looked like A10 a lot by the river. Are people really x-raising AK on the flop that often? Plus, villain will be raising that preflop a good percentage of the time. On the flop I'd think it could be pocket 10s or pocket 8s, or 10-8 or A10, but only one of those hands would want to check turn & river. Villain probably thinks he has so much of the board locked up, and hero might have a flush draw that he thinks the way to maximize value is via inducing a bluff.
Hand was a roller coaster I would have called flop too knowing he had a made hand then the turn in really think probably A8 or 8 full then the river check raise is always with a made hand I don’t see rec players take this line ever with a busted flush especially with a Ace on the board hard to piece together in the moment tho keep grinding
Cold blooded line by villian.
Should’ve folded on the reraise flop esp with a flush draw on a 80$ pot lol
Yeah and show everyone you're easy to play against lol
@@livinaskipp8354 pick a better spot maybe n let that ego go. id rather let everyone think im ez anyway.
On the A high board I think V has to assume the hero’s range likes this board, decreasing the incentive to bluff. Plus if he does have trips or two pair having a straight becomes extremely profitable when it hits.
@@frederikmarohn6358 relying on hitting ur open ended with no flush possibilities on a reraise flop is just not that logical. Ur reasoning is so pot hungry and hopeful, and doesn’t improve ur long game strategy. Kinda sounds like ur hoping for the best possible outcome every time u run into this board texture.
@@livinaskipp8354not like you have to show your hand and you’re folding against a passive villain who check raised you on an A-high board.
I don’t think aware players at the table are going to take that as a sign you’re easy to bluff.
I’m going 180 on the river and ya I’m calling it sucks prob has A10 but F it don’t know what happened
A-10 or pocket 10's were my call on this. On the flop. I'm going check check turn river. Just sayin.Check raised flop on a draw and I don't have the flush and no made hand? Gone.
Look at the board. The strait was well hidden. Wouldn't the villain bet the flop most of the time out of position?
From experience, when a SB executes a check raise on multiple streets, they almost always have the goods. Before the reveal, my first thought was 10s for the villian. Chasing and/or making the nut straight into an already paired board is never a good spot.
Folding’s only “exploitable” if you can’t find any bluffs. Anyone who’s played with you long enough to “exploit” you… you’ll find some of these bluffs and call sometimes
Is it so crazy to just fold the flop here? That' what I'd have done. It seems like no one is ever folding to flop checkraises -- well actually that's an artifact of the format since hands that don't pass the flop don't make it through. But like, vs. a loose passive player, I think just folding the flop is the best option.
Six clean outs as stated by the caller is not correct. Any jack gives KQ the nuts so you are looking at 3 outs to the nuts only. Of course Bart points this out after I typed it. lol
Hero is a massive fish.
This is a fold a large portion of the time especially against unknown players. Not too many players jamming all in after two checks unless it's the effective nuts.
I'm with Bart I think the time to bet is on the turn. It he x/r again or hell even calls you have to assume your bear for sure.
A10 off no spade makes perfect sense here to be honest
MDF is just not a thing at 2-5 or below
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Queen outs ?
That was an easy check back on the river
This line in low stakes is Rarely anything less than a full house on the River. Only a drunk or a Cpt. Blastoff is ever doing this with less.
Why not check back the river?
imo A8o/s can be counted as a bluff combo here, too much?
i can’t tell if Bart is smirking at the beginning because of the sheer amount of PA callers he gets lmao
i think he was trying not to laugh at "we're $800 effective and im the effective stack" 🤣
He got max from the fish
Couldn't 10s be for value on that run out?
is this Stu from Californication?
Trapping with a made hand on flop always feels good ngl😂
7:32 I'd fold here (flop x/r). Not enough equity to continue. Open ender has only 6 outs (8 - 2 spades). Paying 24% risk with only 12% equity does not work. So, pot odds with implied odds are not in place.
BART falls for the trap 😂
As a fishy 2/5 player, I’m thinking, why couldn’t it be a missed flush bluff? I’d consider it if I were V…
There are too many strong hands here that won't fold. Hero has already called a check raise on the flop and then the straight and full house both came in. Your only real bluff target would be AK type hands. Everything weaker already folded on the flop and everything stronger isn't folding.
This is like 2003 2 + 2 in vid form
This particular vid is like get crushed by better players than you. And my job as Brad is to help you so pay me
how come he never put him on 10's or 8s?
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There is an old-school theory that you never bet a flush or straight draw into a paired flop. Additionally, I would never bet the river here given the action. You’re giving the SB too much credit for a semi-bluff with his check raise flop. Two pairs make more sense, or possibly a set, though I think a set might CR bigger to get rid of draws. I absolutely do not bet this river and either a)lose my equity by letting SB bluff me off hand, or b) fall into this trap with A-!0 makes most sense, followed by A-8, followed by 8-8 (which I think might have 3-bet pre flop) . Completely disagree with Bart and caller that they never check this back, and not because of the result.
right. Busted draw would not pay a dime...and if V jams, then...is he bluffing or he has nuts?? Putting myself in a stupid spot for a fistful od dollars??
Beside: I don't think that an A would checked turn and river back. Simply: one who x/r flop with an A, would not checked plain river card.
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funny, that the MUST river bet advice is contradicting to the headline of the video??
This guy sounds like Stephen Tobolowski
6 clean outs to the nuts on the flop? I only see 3 to the nuts with the 6s cause any J won't give him the nuts.
This guy is a moron
Did you watch the video? Or just shut it off after he said that
@@terrysword7739 he never corrected himself Bart had to correct him basically calling him a moron.
exactly! Calling flop raise is looking for troubles. And, sure enough, it never takes too much to find one!
It's 50 to call ..pot is 180 and if 6 hits on turn you get is stack.
Maybe I'm a fish lol..but would never fold to the flop raise.
"I've got an open ended straight draw, not counting spades I have 6 outs to the nuts..." Um no, no you don't. You have 3 outs to the nuts. Only non spade 6's
really bad call, Hero can easily have 88, TT, AA or AT. 97 is nowhere near the top of hero's range.
Beware of the boats. Villain is clearly a donkey. Shame on the hero for calling the river jam.
What a wildly irresponsible way to play AT. He's so absurdly lucky you hit 1 of 3 cards that let you call.
Villain had quads 😂
Oof. Think I just bet super small on the river here, and fold to a raise. This V's line makes my spider sense tingle. No way fish is jamming as a bluff, and there isn't much worse value that takes this line.
Makes a whole lot of sense, as it may allow some bluffs ( e.g. with J9s) for the same size. - I could see Villain having especially A8s, but AQ makes also sense, so there could still be some value in playing small bet- (snap) fold.
Hey buddy. It feels like it's been awhile. Anyways, your favorite nit folded on the flop here. Nice to see ya.
@anks333It has been a while. Good to see you. Took a break from commenting here to comment on 2+2. Just as many loons and d1cks there as here. Curiously, one woman there I thought might be you - similarly self-described, playing in similar-sounding games, similar tone to her comments. Not you, though, unless she was / you were lying to me about it.
Been seeing some hands like this recently, with OOP x'r'ing flop and checking turn, or donking flop and going bet-bet-bet, on boards where there isn't much hero can do but bluff-catch or fold river - "5th street chicken".
All that being said donks exist and there are ppl who would go all in on u with just 3 10s
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this is weird being this early
JJ is what SB has
You really think JJ would check-jam this river?
Is Brad a “you def shoulda called vs the nuts” influencer guy? Wtf is going on I watched like 15 vids and is Brad on drugs? Hes like “ya I call there” what!!????
Lol considered folding on flop ? Never an option
Nit easy coz you tell yourself if you get the straight you ll get more from his ace. With super deep stacks maybe. Floo fold was the right decision
ever heard of pot odds with implied odds?
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