One thing to point out? Even if Garou did deflect Cell's own energy attacks back at him it wouldn't necessarily mean he'd get harmed by it. In Dragon Ball your attack potency would also match your durability as well. Goku shot a full Power Kamehameha at himself during his training on Namek and in Super and it didnt do anything to him.
Characters in Dragon Ball routinely are able to get hurt by their own attacks. It's not like two characters with the same level of power are unable to hurt each other. Also the deflection of Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist doubles the force of the attack.
@@Supreme_Court. Actually, we would only see cases of that happening is if they focus alot of energy into the single part on their bodies. Such as Captain Ginyu before his body swap. And we've never seen anyone on "Equal" terms of Power being able to not hurt each other because that's never been in the case. Even if you're a "bit" stronger then the other it wouldn't be a stalemate at all. As for Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist? It has a limit for redirecting force, as in the user cannot deflect attacks that have too much power behind, in comparison to the strength of the user themselves. And even if it did there wasn't anything that said it "doubles" the user's opponent's attack. Or at least, I haven't seen anything that states this, I could be wrong so just show me atleast. But from what I know It just defense, reflects, and attack.
@@BLAZE_EDTIZ There are plenty of cases of characters being evenly matched and their attacks being able to hurt each other significantly. There's no example of someone saying anything like "It's a good thing there's a slight difference between us or we wouldn't be able to hurt each other at all." And if one was just a "bit" stronger then wouldn't the attacks still have minimal effect? You're creating this head canon based on the one scene from Goku's training, and your recollection isn't even correct. It wasn't a full power kamehameha, it was a barrage of small kamehamehas. He was hitting himself with them for the explicit purpose of adapting and getting stronger, which wouldn't make any sense if they had no effect on him. They obviously did have an effect, as they hurt him to the point that he was crawling across the floor to get a senzu bean and then said, "Close one, I guess there really is such a thing as training too hard. Won't do anyone any good if I end up dead. I've gotta be more careful." There is no solid basis for your idea of DB characters not being hurt by their own level of power. The perfected WSRSF doesn't really have a limit on force, if the user has enough skill then even extreme differences of strength can be redirected. Garou failed to redirect Darkshine's tackle, but he refined his technique to the point where later he was redirecting strikes from Saitama. Not that this is really an issue with Cosmic Garou as he can instantly copy the strength used anyway. Also your whole argument was based on the redirection being successful, but Cell not being harmed by his own strength. The redirected attacks having double the damage comes from page 5 of ch 49 in the manga or episode 3 of season 2 when Tank Top Master is describing Garou's martial arts. This was also at the very beginning of Garou's hero hunt, long before he had refined his techniques to the point they reached by the end of the Monster Association arc.
Frieza was cut in half by his own destructo disk. Cell may not get damaged badly but reflecting his ki blasts through portal will really damage him enough to take control over the right. Captain ginyu, Vegeta did hurt themselves badly. Vegeta was knocked out by his own ki blasts in gravity chember
So basically you wanked cell to infinity, by granting him feats that are highly inconsistent, way more than any of Garou, "but the dainshenzuu would've put Cell destroying a planet within the solar system" according to the dainshenzuu the solar system apparently contains an incredible amount of stars and planets, so it wouldn't make sense for them to put the destruction of one within it, and js even more inconsistent with the fact that none of those are seen while showing the outside of earth (which would yes rebunk the speed, but fodderize Cell ap), neither in z or in super. And downplayed garou by not granting him speed equal to his attacks which you did for cell (for example Blast reacted to the ray, but is pretty much implied that Saitama and garou got so much stronger than that, so i have no doubt thay they would speedbliz blast)
I see, then you don't know anything about Dragon Ball, right? It shows, in addition to the fact that the video ignored many statements and feats for Cell, such as Frieza destroying a galaxy in the anime or Goku being faster than his ship, which is at least billions. ftl
@@yeikelamores6085 i see, you don't know anything about Dragonball, like, you got mislead by dumb wankers on yt, is not your fault. Freezer never blew up a galaxy, it was probably a nebula and it didn't blow up, simply the explosion could be seen from some distance. While Goku isn't at all faster than a ship, since Kaioh just had difficulty keeping up with short movements, is stated in the manga that just Jiren can accomplish such a feat, and not even that well since there were some circumstances. Dyspo and Toppo literally were surprised that he was capable of such thing. If you try to correct someone, at least try to be right
@@nugolderp4115 ua-cam.com/video/ebmS_kYsXIE/v-deo.htmlsi=e0bMagapy02SgYt- ua-cam.com/video/ebmS_kYsXIE/v-deo.htmlsi=r2nGoa7LO-YbU_aS Here are two videos that show why Frieza destroyed the galaxy, plus the speed feat of being faster than spaceships is pretty consistent,Since later thoughts have Feats equal to or better than that in the series, you're also confusing combat speed and travel speed.
@@yeikelamores6085 1) it talks about light (which he tried as a point, knowing that is would debunk his whole scale) anyway it goes in contradiction to the narrative 2) there are no such great feats in the entirety of db
In my oppinion,you guys was extremely generous toward Cell and heavily downplayed Garou..... Cell having just a statement abouth him capable of destroying a ,,galactic nebula" which is questionable itself cuz we didn't actually see the solar system in db and nor its size got mentioned,but lets just gave it to him. On the other hand the mss level is Garou's lowest end interpretation you can use for him,cuz the blast could just travell an intergalactic distance do to the share fact,you can see galaxies on several panels and that void was completely dark. On the other hand,you guys just highballed Goku's and Cells martial art and said that,,well grandpa Gohan was the god of martial arts,so Cell is better "while you didn't even mentioned why it is sould be better.... Cell's baseline radiation resistence doesn't do shit against Garous passive radiation,which can kill humans in literally minutes,and it is just hes passive aura.....let alone surviving a gamma ray burst which is billions of grays. Speaking of grb, do to the immence radiation it contains and the billions of degrees celsius it produces, the gamma ray burst can destroy organisms at a SUB ATOMIC level,so Cell's regen got bypassed by that alone. Geez you guys even ignored the fact that Garou got literally several oneshot levels stronger on Io within microseconds considering they are fighting with mftl speeds aswell. And the most importantlyyou can't even comprehand just how busted Garou's copying abilities really are.....with a large star/solar system level ap(initial CFMGarou's ap),he was capable of just copy Saitama's serious punch,which has an ap range of multi solar system as a lowball and multi galaxy level as a reasonable highball. For the sace of argument, we gonna lowball Garou at mss level......the share difference between solar system level,and mss level is incomprehanceble.....WE ARE TALKING ABOUTH BILLIONS OF TRILLIONS OF TIMES DIFFERENCES AND GAROU JUST COPIED IT INSTANTLY LIKE IT WAS NOTHING. And again, Garou got even stronger after the Io fight. For the ignorance of yours shown off in this video,you got a dislike,and in conclusion,be happy if Super perfect Cell can beat pre serious punch Cosmic fear Garou
1.I don’t see why the size of the solar system needs to be stated in the manga itself if a guide already clarifies its size are you saying I can’t use guide statements now? 2.i literally explained how goku became as skilled as grandpa Gohan and roshi with cell rivaling a more experienced and skilled goku 3.the intergalactic calcs for garou require a lot of assumptions and you can only see galaxies in the distance in like one panel whereas you never see them again which makes that “you can see galaxies” argument incredibly inconsistent 4.base cosmic fear garou already scales to FP saitama as he was reacting to him and taking punches from him on io even before copying his power 5.garou only got stronger Vs saitama due to copying and even then it was only a couple dozen times not to mention he would only be able to use the copy ability if we equalized the energy systems between the versus Stop acting like we didn’t do our research and said cell wins for no reason and start coming at me with these mid arguments
@@mrperfectcell5079 1 you can use databook statements,but hell,don't act like it would be written by GOD itself,cuz the databook statement itself doesn't do anything. The primer source material is the anime/manga which the databook describes,or explains,but if you don't see/it isn't even shown what is he describing,than it is an assumbtion,or a highball at best. Even Tatsumaki has statements where she,,can lift all of creation",than I can put her to large star level,or what? 2 you just said that Grandpa Gohan and roshii is considered the ,,god of martial arts",and than Goku has more skill than them,and Cell can throw hands with him,but you didn't even explained what fighting style he posseses,or what is hes arsenal capable of,what you did with Garou. You just basically pretend like,,See that Guy Garou who can do 826268262 martial arts technique,and can copy techniques and power asswell? Nah,Cell skill stomps him". Basically that was your argument 3 how the fuck would be a ,,baseless assumption" that their class reached inter galactic distences,whan you can clearly see galaxies in the back ground,and even on the scan,where is the soace void,you can clearly see some dots are oval shape(idk how to say it in english...). Now you can say that this is how Murata draw stars,but than you ignore the other panels,where the celestial bodies are perfectly eound shaped,indicating that they are stars. And on the other hand,the calc you had shown is still lowball,cuz it is using the sun's GBE as its destructive capacity,while there is wery eseally a larger star/magnetar or a neutron star was destroyed,and than the calc would be way higher. And what I think is a real ignorance is whan you mentioned Garou's calc,you just mentioned its lowest end as it would be the only end Garou scales to,but you didn't even mentioned the high end,which puts Garou to a wery high end galaxy level,buuut you did the exact opposite with the speed. You mentioned both ends,even if the highest end was really an assumption,cuz you wanted Cell to be more dominant. 4 we are basically read the same manga??????how do you came to the conclusion initial cosmic Garou is= to a serious punch whan he needed to enter,, mode Saitama" in order to being capable of matching it??????? Bruh... 5 it doesn't change the fact that Garou instantly copied a power that is billions of trillions of times greater than its own.... And 6 you didn't even answear to the wincons I had mentioned earlier such ass: BFR,ap stomp,radiation,overcoming Cells regen,subatomic destruction with black hole and GRB. Hell Cell really just has advantage in speed and at least a slight skill advantage but thats it. Initial CFM Garou's victim
@@barnabastoma1075 1.Its literally the daizenshuu which was created by the staff that MAKES dragon. Even toriyama comments on its credibility saying it would have helped him write the series. Yes the manga is the source matieral, but if that source doesnt go against what the databook says then I can use it. It doesnt matter if the manga doesn't say its a nebula as it doesn't say its NOT a nebula either.. end of the day the guide literaly contradicts NOTHING and you have no argument as to why I cant use it 2.Basically that grandpa gohan shit was just to explain cell skill is off the charts at least in terms of normal hand to hand marital arts in combat styles and that garou doesn't have skill feats on that level in that particular area. We explained garous versatility because thats basically all we have to go off for garou's skill and we did say in terms of versatility garou takes it probably due to the fact that most of garous martial arts are more like superpowers. Also like i said his copy ability would only work if we equalizied energy systems which we didnt in addition to cell having insane adaptation abilities as well. Goku, who performed a techinque that took someone as skilled as roshi 50 years to pull off, took months to master instant transmission while cell over here mastered it after seeing it 3 times. Garou doesn't have any adaptation feasts anywhere close to that level Raw Hand To Hand: Cell Versatility: Garou Adaptation: Cell 3. Again you only see galaxies in the background in ONE PANEL... meaning that background art style is inconsistent and the argument cant be use since we never see themk again despite us seeing numerous panels that have a sky full of stars... Also many other calcs also say its around that level (10^63 Joules) Making it the most consistent level for garou and the level that requires the least assumptions which is why we went with it 4.I didnt say he was as strong as saitama just that he scales to him... He is obviously weaker than him but he is still strong enough to take punches and react to him so hes not like billions of times weaker or something 5.Go ahead and prove raditaion attacks on a subatomic level and prove a black hole is strong enough to kill cell which i doubt since garou is strong enough to withstand one and cell is as strong as him
@@mrperfectcell5079 to be 100% fair the staff that makes dragon ball is paid to make everything seem way stronger and cooler that’s why visual feats hold more water since if this same level of scaling kid Tamari from Naruto can blast away the universe.
@@mrperfectcell5079 1still we don't onow how big is a solar system in the dragonball,but considering the fact dragonball has regular sized galaxies,than a solar system can't be that big 2 is that ofc Goku learned the kamehameha,cuz sayans can produce kii based energy beams from childhood,such a technique souldn't be that hard for Goku. But if we gave this to him,then silver fang is literally 81 yo and Garou is on par with him,even while he is in hes sleeping state and he becamed more skilled 3 bruh I can literally show you 3-4 panels..... 4 brooooo don't start this shitty shitler weird ass db fanboy logic that suggests if character A is stronger or equal than character B,than he resists everything from character A. Cell has no gravity manip resistence,and a black hole teares you apart even more than subatomic level en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photodisintegration Here we go 5 headcanon. Than why the hell did Garou entered Saitama mode if he scales to a sp already?????
12:21 major league levels of cap considering that a much weaker monster Garou was able to detect and locate Sage Centipede's regenerative core, rip it out, and throw it into space.
@@tbalpha2295 in the manga the lump in cells head was never stated to be microscopic on top of it being contradicted by Goku splitting his wig wit the warp Kamehameha so it never made sense to begin with, unlike the survive if one cell is left thing in the anime. Garou would find that regenerative core just like he did Sage and just like how Bang did Melgazard
11:41 Cell being as versatile with energy will be his downfall since if he goes Kamehameha, Garou goes Kamehameha. Cell goes Kienzan, Garou goes Kienzan. Cell goes Makankosanpo, Garou goes Makanosanpo
That's only concerning if Garou can give a greater output. If his energy isn't higher then Cell's the only thing that attack would do is just damage him for a short while until he heals. Lets not forget although Garou can get stronger overtime Cell would give himself a Zenkai boost would then eclipse his original Power preventing Garou from closing the gap between the two. Not to mention even with that he still get stronger as he fights as well.
@@BLAZE_EDTIZ Cell can only get a zenkai boost if hes nearly completely vaporized ala his self destruction. The final flash and warp Kamehameha would have finished cell if they both completely covered him, especially the FF. Garou is too close in stats (really greater) with Cell for his haxes to not shine.
@@SuperKamiGuruu Final flash is kinda debatable. To be honest I don't think it would have destroyed his nucleus. Keep in mind Cell most likely Powered down to test himself against Vegeta.
Garous durability compared to his power is greater than any Z fighters.He got his bones broken by orochi and still he healed back and fought orochi and gave him hard time despite being in awakened process not even monster form.And orochi is moon buster.And of course cosmic garou is billion times stronger than that form with more broken haxes such as copying power,abilities,changing the flow of energy etc.
@@dudeekill4win The fact that weak gohan SS2 could destroy cell proves he cant just keep generating energy endlessly.His body has a limit to how much he can heal.Because cell got weaker and ran out of energy,gohan who was half powerful after his arm injury was able to destroy him and cell could no longer regenerate.Cosmic garou on the other hand tanked hundreds of serious punches from saitama and still was not obliterated like cell.So garou did not even need regeneration since he could rewind time or use portals to cancel any attacks.And he could regenerate since his monster form.The only reason why he could not regenerate against satama is because saitama gave him no chance to concerntrate his energy
@@SCP3143. you're doing a false equivalency. You have to remember that Garou copied all of Saitama's stats, so it would make sense that Saitama isn't straight up one shotting Garou. However when time does get sent back to before Garou basically whoops everyone's ass, he gets one shotted.... Did we read the same manga? You call Gohan weak, but even the video stated why those characters basically solo everyone in OPM besides Saitama.
@@SCP3143. you're also implying that Cell would even give Garou a chance and obviously he wouldn't and cell also gets zenkai boosts, so theoretically he would just outpace garou. Cells regeneration is MUCH stronger, his durability is arguably stronger without Garou straight up copying him, strength is very comparable and speed is heavily in cells favor. Also, cell has INFINITE energy, so he wouldn't get tired. This also excludes any universe busting statements that cell has. This fight is either a stalemate or cell straight up wins
@@dudeekill4win Saitama could one shot garou at his peak if he wanted to but he promised tario that he would not kill him because garou is like an uncle to that kid.And saitama doesn't want to kill humans+he sees garou like a typical raged high school kid who needs to be humbled rather than equal opponent.Yes he did say in manga that he can finally go all out but he said that because he had no idea how powerful god powered garou was
no shade and i think it's a great vid, but i will always find it eternally funny how a dbz fan can take a statement clearly saying one thing is solar system level, and manage to find a way to argue it's actually galaxy level. literally the slander meme with the guy with the whiteboard
@mrperfectcell5079 I know, im just exaggerating a little for the joke. I personally like to judge characters off their narrative strength than stuff like calacs. Most of the stuff done in story is over exaggeration for the sake of story, like the time toriyama said ssj felt like a 10x rather then 50x, but was made 50x cuz of 20x kaioken. While i dont agree with a lot of powerscaling. I just find it intriguing how people can take it go to such extremes using multipliers and statements the authors clearly said to make stuff seem cooler rather than stuff they clearly though though
To clarify a little, if i were to give an example from the video, i would say cell's speed feats, if hes billions or quadrillions faster than light, how is solar flare effective to basically anyone. Seeing the math and calcs behind it is epic to see, but it just feels so stupidly insane that the author have clearly never thought about and would break the narrative plot otherwise. Like if they fight at that speed, how does any fight last longer than a fraction of a second. That kinda stuff
@@ultraninja5783 well author intent isn’t as important as it seems cus regardless of what the intent was the author still put that in there and doesn’t really affect the feat at all and I is kinda impossible to prove an authors intent for all we know powerscaling could be their intent
@@mrperfectcell5079 for accurate and direct comparisons, i agree that powerscaling is basically the only way to do it fairly. But crazy overscaling is taken out of proportion. For example, people say naruto and all the characters in boruto are solar system to galaxy level just because kaguya created her own parallel dimension. Which to anyone actually reading, sounds crazy when you see then fight and barely blow up a mountain with their biggest attacks. I know its a stupidly low ball, but just by vibe and how the story is set up, frieza feels more like he should be large planet rather than solar system+. Using maths and multipliers, hes clearly far beyond that, but just narratively, him being around that level of power seems to match up his actions the best. Like, if frieza and all of his goons are so massively ftl, they could just scan all of namek for the dragon balls in minutes with even just a dozen of them. Just creates more plot holes than it fixes. Its not scientific in the slightest, but just kinda feels right to me. More like my interpretation of what the author was thinking when designing and writing. To me, the result of some power scales just don't make sense, but i can understand why some people might get to the conclusion, even if it far differs from me. Tldr: i just guess it off a vibe check lol
Bro, couldn’t Cosmic Fear Garou just copy cell’s physical stats and all his techniques? I know Saitama beat him, but that was because Saitama was growing faster than Garou could copy him. And on the note of Cell outranking Garou with energy blasts, not only could Garou easily copy any key blasts cell those his way, he could definitely also just use Blast’s portals to close the gap (as he can put portals anywhere he can see, as seen when he instantly transported back to earth even though he and Saitama were all the way over at Io), plus Blast’s gravity knuckle can take chunks out of physical matter, effectively giving him aoe punches. That, combined with Garou’s total mastery over all fundamentals of the universe, would likely allow Garou to overcome cell’s regeneration, or he could just straight up copy it, effectively stalemating them. But, if you want to argue that cell’s ki blasts could overcome his own regeneration and thus Garou’s, then all Garou would need to do is copy those ki blasts and use them himself, probably even more effectively than cell himself could. Also, if cell created cell juniors and Garou copied that ability, at the rate Garou grows in fights, especially against stronger opponents he could theoretically infinitely clone himself (if those Harpu juniors could also copy any ability) and completely overwhelm cell with sheer numbers. Going even beyond that, Garou could potentially copy the saiyan genes in cell and gain the ability to go super saiyan, and if he can instantly master any ability, he could probably unclock super saiyan 3, or at the very least 2 almost instantly. Also, also, if Garou gained cell’s regeneration, he would know all of its intricacies and how to use them, so he would know what he needs to do to counter it. He could probably also copy cell’s ability to blow himself up then regen from a single cell, that combined with saiyan genes allowing Garou to have Zenkai boosts, he and his many Garou juniors could blow themselves up on cell only to return with a super perfect cell level amp. In the end, they’d either stalemate each other or Garou would massively out scale cell pretty quickly then just obliterate him like Gohan did.
@@mrperfectcell5079 Garou can just copy Cell's physical stats and abilities, like his regen and his saiyan genes, and could probably even create Garou Juniors. Plus, he could copy Cell's use of ki and instantly master it because he has dominion over all aspects of the universe.
@@evronian1129 his copy ability would only work if we equalized energy systems which we didn’t plus cells regen and saiyan adaptation are biological abilities so garou wouldn’t be able to copy those anywha
doesn´t Garou also have regen and Garou also faced a regenerating opponent in Sage centipede, he needed to destroy a core and then he split Sage centipede apart.
Depends on if this is Cosmic Garou or Mode:Saitama Garou...The former should be able to copy cell and have superior fighting skills but Cell's intellect and regeneration would give him the upper hand on the long term. Mode:Saitama was growing exponentially so there's nothing cell can do...he can't keep up with that.
@@dudeekill4winthen cells Kamehameha would require goku to be there to copy. I'd like to think death battle style like give them all their abilities. also that would imply there is a bang to copy blast to copy and god to give power.
@@flamefists911 that is not true. Cell inately has Goku's(all the Z fighters and some enemies) cells and his abilities. IE, he was able to use the Kamehameha the first time he fought Piccolo without ever laying eyes on Goku. I get what you mean, but Garou's power literally depends on being able to copy the person, so I would still say it isn't fair. Obviously, Saitama would kill Cell, but that would require Saitama to be there to copy. To put it simply, Without the cells of the Z fighters, etc, Perfect cell would not exist. Him having those cells would mean that he has those abilities and he would need to copy them. Garou on the hand, needs to copy a character before the fight starts or during the fight. Which once again, removes the point in having a 1v1. If you want to say that monster Garou should Fight imperfect Cell then that's fine, but then cell stomps. If you want Garou to have mode Saitama then he should win. With that being said, I think this is overall a really good fight. I just think Garou might lack the killing power to put cell down, and cell also has unlimited energy. Garou has the better ability in Copy and is faster IMO.
Cell can't outgrow him, but he can keep getting zenkais each time Garou destroys him, only if Garou figures out cell's weakness cuold end it, but Cell could also notice that Kaio-ken can Hurt quite badly Garou if he copies it, wich Garou would problably do considering how much of a Boost Kaio-ken gives, un that snario Cell would Take it, it's more of a 50/50 case really
@@koregafics2380 garou would definatky know to destroy his cells and wouldn’t copy kaikoen because his rate if growth by that point would have far exceeded cells so he would just be dominationg and use one of his ultra wide range moves and destroy all his cells why would he copy Kaioken he’s already surpassed cell by miles
@@koregafics2380 and I don’t like that infinte zenkai boost stuff even if he gets it garou would just copy whatever current power level he’s on from the zenkai boost and continue to dominate him
@@koregafics2380Its close but gap between cell and god powered garou is huge.Garou would have to keep training on his power for at least an year and prevent energy lickage but time freeze,rewind time and portas would close the gap.cell cat do nothing against space time monupulation.But due to having 5D power,garou would bring thousands of his versions from different timeline and obliterate cell.But without time monupulation,cell would dogwalk cosmic garou who was as strong as super sayan goku in android saga
I did a calc a while back that put Saitama's Jupiter sneeze around Namek 100% Frieza/Super Saiyan Goku level. Just before the sneeze, we see this Saitama no-diffs peak Cosmic Garou. Considering Frieza started no-diffing base Goku after stating he'd use half his power, I think this means Garou likely peaks around twice as strong as base Goku was at the start of his Frieza fight. Bear in mind, by almost any standard this is an incredible feat. But Dragon Ball numbers are ridiculous.
Garou can't just copy someone abilities, garou got the knowledge of the universe and all those abilities are part of the universe so garou knows how to do them that's why garou can copy them, if its someone and his abilities are outside the opm universe garou can only mimic what he thinks the attack is
11:07 Goku quite literally explains that Gohan taught him kung fu since birth extremely early in Dragon Ball. Would not call it basic striking at all but Garou is indeed a better martial artist than all of the cast.
We not gonna mention Garou can improve the abilities he copies and can also use them more effectively. I mean he has the knowledge of the universe at his disposal. You saying he can’t just rewrite Cell’s DNA?
It really isnt(in cosmic garous favor) cosmic garou could just throw a black hole at cell or just straight up replicate the big bang if he really wanted to or just simply copy his stats which they for some reason were acting like he just couldnt do that in which honestly id go as far as to say that initial cosmic garou(with downplay)is equal to or greater than cells most generous non wank scaling which they also for some reason acted like cell could just spam his solar kamehameha for some reason even tho that move takes time to charge and is his best move on average cell is in those large star ranges which even initial cosmic garou honestly scales past this video is honestly just really biased(towards the dragon ball side of things)
@@nonuser3166 you're wanking Garou and downplaying Cell a bit much here. First, Garlic jr, since before dbz, was opening hyperspace gates, and a baby gohan one shot him lol. A black hole ain't doing something to a person who mftl+ no matter which series they're from. Also, there's no evidence to imply that Garou could replicate the Big Bang like that without knowing how it worked, or he would've done it already. Garou copying Cell's stats will only keep him even with Cell via stats until Cell's next zenkai boost, not outright surpass him. That means there will always be a window in where Cell has the advantage statwise. The db universe is far larger than our own which opm's own universe is based off of. There are planets the size of a universe in db, a solar system in db is compared to a galatic nebula in size, Multi solar system is a lowball. Everyone in db has spammed numerous high powered kamehameha without feeling exhausted. Cell was going to use that final Kamehameha AFTER getting destroyed by SSJ2 Gohan and blowing himself up. And since when does cast time mattered to a being that is mftl+. Garou don't have anything powerful enough to completely destroy Cell.
Let’s be honest here the anime and guides are very different from the manga (which should be the main source) Cell should be a solar system buster to a high solar system buster it also makes the mental scaling easier Frieza saga is planet busting, Cell sage is solar system, Buu saga is galaxy busting, Super+ is bs
Except for the fact that in universe of dragon ball solar system is very different than what a normal planet is. And to be fair , Saiyans during Saiyan saga were planet Busters so Frieza is at least Solar system level in our universe terms
@@devanshsaini1699it depends since there are a lot of statements in dragon ball but they don’t typically make any sense since the manga shows something very different from the anime. For example you could say in the manga the first planet buster we see is friezia since Vegeta could be lying. But if you use guides master roshi from og dragonball would be a planet or even star buster. That’s why I say we should never use the guides since they say some wild things that barely even make sense.
@@epicsavagebros7400 leave guides and statements alone. Let's use things we see. Someone like Piccolo and Roshi back in og Db were strong enough to destroy the moon. What makes u think someone multiple times their level of strength would pose no harm to a planet?
@@devanshsaini1699mostly the fact scaling in dragon ball literally makes no sense. Why does Goku struggle to carry 20kg when he can lift cars? Why can bullets mark a goku who is strong enough to fight Buu? How come Broly or Cell Max don’t destroy Earth when they are rage monsters that can’t control their strength and just want to beat things up? I love dragon ball really I do but it is not worth scaling since the anti feats are crazy. Hell even if we say Frieza is a solar system bust which he is not Cell would be in the same boat. Heck if you want to use guides Master Roshi is planetary back in dragonball meaning the sayians should be solar system level since they are way stronger and frieza should be multi solar system meaning cell would be galaxy level. If that is what you want to believe then go for it. Honestly I don’t care but don’t go to others trying to argue for the nonsense that dragonball provides.
@@epicsavagebros7400 Age and self control? If Goku walked around with the same power output as he was fighting buu, Everyone would be dead. That's where ki control steps in. Suppressing all your power is not an easy task. Ask those who actually has strength. That's why most people who are strong tend to be calmer . Coz if they aren't they hurt those who they didn't wanna
Hate to say this but once you need to go to multiple guides from different parts of the world to build a case you have gone to deep. Also speed and power are not 100% linear in dragon ball as we see a number of anti feat’s showing that their speed in the manga is capped at a certain point or at least limited since Goku could fight Jiren despite the guy being way stronger than him even outside UI. This means that speed in the verse has a limit and power levels are also not 100% used to measure speed and power since a human farmer had a power level of 5 meaning with your logic he is 1/52 the speed of light.
Bro can you comment without saying l take guide books are literally the author thing and even cosmic garou have the using them dose not make you lose debate cry about it
You guys forgot about Garou's reactive evolution. He could just pull a Broly and grow more powerful than even SP Cell. Even if Cell became Super-Duper Perfect, or heavens forbid, Super-DEE-Duper Perfect, if Garou lasts long enough he could beat even that. Unless Cell goes Super Perfect God or Blue(Super Perfect God Super Perfect if you feel like it), then it's just over for Garou. Now I want SDBH to make an episode where Cell steals everyone's transformations and for him to say "This isn't even my last form". It WILL be longer than the longest arc, and it will be beautiful.
cosmic garou doesn't actually get stronger via his own abilities.. he gets stronger via copying others the only reason garou was getting stronger earlier in the story was due to his monsterization advancing also cell grows more powerful as he fights as well he doesnt just have zenkais he also grows stronger mid battle just like goku and vegeta
@@mrperfectcell5079 Since when could Cell do that? That wasn't stated anywhere before. And there's no reason why Garou for Garou to just not have it, because it isn't something limited exclusively to monsterisation. Saitama has that same ability as well. And do you agree that a SPGSP Cell would be epic?
@@mrperfectcell5079we see garous exponential growth curve in the graph vs saitama, we saw garou quickly outgrowing and blitzing platinum s - all within the 13 microseconds they fought, and not long after, garou splitting sage down the middle, who he couldnt even dent beforehand. yes, he does have crazy fast growth, its one of his main abilities in canon, its an ability that has carried garou for most of the monster association arc
@@MExperiences he did when fighting goku as he went from on par with goku to even stronger than MSSJ gohan(who’s relative to goku) while holding back Also he has saiyan cells so he should have their abilities
@@4nnd711 yeah ik garou has crazy adaptation abilities but only because of his monsterization Cosmic garou only got stronger cus he was copying a saitama that was getting stronger
Does the "shaking the universe" calc shown in the video base itself on the assumption that the "universe" means the observable universe, an infinite universe or a particular one of the many estimated sizes of the entire universe beyond the observable section visible to us? I assume you could wank or lowball Garous power pretty significantly based on how you interpret what is meant by "the universe".
@@mrperfectcell5079 I don't think that's the safest bet though, it seems to be scientific consensus that the universe is either some insane number of times larger than the observable universe like 150 sextillion, or infinite. Imagine if there were ancient greek powerscalers that wanted to scale Ares or something and they got the statement "Ares has the power to shake the world". And then instead of using one of their many accurate extrapolations on the diameter of the earth they just assume it means the Mediterranean and Persia which was the "known world" to the greeks at the time. You can say that Murata meant the observable universe but as he didn't specifically say that I think it's a bit of a lowball to just assume that.
@@gitte8676 it can be that high but it can also be only a couple hundred times or even less so since we can’t say for sure you literally cannot make an argument on what the statement is talking about which is why the observable universe end is the best since we know for sure he would be at least this strong so no those higher ends can’t be used and it probably wouldn’t change the result even if they were as cell also has some higher ends I didn’t mention in the bideo
One thing you didn’t mention was that Garou’s fighting style retains the ability to destroy somebody from the inside out. He says as much himself against Saitama, about tearing his organ’s from a durability negating attack. Even if Garou isn’t totally aware of Cell’s core, which is an issue Garou overcame against sage centipede, his martial arts will do the damage regardless.
@@mrperfectcell5079One question, why didn't you consider Frieza's feat of destroying a galaxy in the anime and Goku and Frieza being faster than Goku's spaceship, which was billions of FTL?
@@mrperfectcell5079 That isnt the only dura neg move garou has. Garou also has the extreme fa jin which is stated and even shown to basically be dura neg the only reason it didnt work on saitama is...well because its saitama.
@@mrperfectcell5079what about fajin, gamma ray burst which could destroy cell in atomic level. The only being that can survive cosmic garous abilities is buu. He can regenerate from atomic level but cell could only regenerate due to the core. So the video have wrong informations. Also garou can grow like broly using reactive evolution which helps him break through the limiter which is backed by the manga statement
You guys did a excellent job at explaining Perfect Cell and Cosmic Garou. It truly helped to have a better understanding of these two awesome characters. Great work :D
@@mrperfectcell5079 _Doesn't matter because the solar system is shown containing a single star, and Namek is considered a rare exception of a planet with multiple stars. To claim the solar system contains innumerable stars is outright false._
@@VonKey. except dragon ball defines a solar system differently just because earth in db only orbits the one star doesn’t mean that’s all the solar system consists of cus you are assuming that solar systems in db are the same as they are in real life, which may not even be true as nebulas in real life don’t have innumerable stars they are just giant gas clouds so sb clearly defines objects or structures in space differently When is namek considered a rare exception and even if it is that’s still assuming solar systems in db are the same as they are in real life
@@mrperfectcell5079 _What it would define differently would be nebulas in this situation, as nebulas are just clouds of stardust, and contain no planets, moons or alive stars. Whenever we see the solar system in DBZ what it resembles is a normal solar system, not a nebula. Best case scenario all of this just means that nebulas in DB = IRL solar systems, so we are back at square 1._ _Namek is said to have no night-time because it's solar system has 3 stars._
@@VonKey. you fail to realize neither the manga or the anime actually define the solar system or describe it in any way so you can’t even say it resembles our solar system and still makes a DB solar system being a collection of stars a valid interpretation (also I don’t think the stars have to be right next to each other the nebula in question could literally just be a collection of solar systems(our definition of em) they don’t have to be a binary system like namek) We don’t know how many planets have no night time though so you are using headcanon
@DenkaiExe Especially If They Reveal God As Being A 5D Or 6D Being, And If Saitama Is Able To Defeat Him, Then Yeah, It's Over For DBZ, DB GT And DBS, DB Heroes Would Be Debatable.
Kinda sad you didn't bring up the anime scaling for cell the infinite universe and tried low balling cell to prove this is a close match . Because the moment you take look at there higher ends it's over not only higher end cell has possibly infinte speed and power to destroy everything he can shake the infinite universe with his ki and make all living things in the universe fear for thier life other gudies call cell Vs Gohan a clash to preserve the universe and you see how fast this can get very one sided
You can use the universal arguments and I did think about mentioning it but i don’t believe in them and I made that apparent in a previous video which is why I didn’t mention it
@@aminabhatti2462no this wouldn't be a good video this isn't a good matchup at all. Garou is literally on a infinite horizon of power cell doesn't even come close to that. They Cherry picked the factual information to Nerf this man severely
Dumb logic. Perfect Cell is perfect, so he should win. Majin Buu > Perfect Cell Majin Buu is a monster. Monster > Perfect Cell Garou is a monster. Garou > Perfect Cell Garou = Majin Buu This should be Majin Buu vs Garou instead, since they're both monsters.
Cell the guy who lets his guard down so characters can hit them with their best moves vs a guy who has experience ripping out regeneration cores and blitzing characters in seconds while unconscious before being massively amped by god
@@mrperfectcell5079 cell is the goat.... just imagine if cell was in the opm universe he would gain everyones ablities and perfect the abilities meaning if he got Saitama's dna he would be faster, stronger, more durable and grow in power faster than saitama.... he could literaly make saitama bleed and even if saitama made him bleed even a little it wont do much due to cell's regenration and cell with infinite stanima would demolish saitama.... and cell might have god's dna due to having cosmic gauro's dna idk
@@K.O-ANIMATIONS How would he get saitama's DNA? And even if that happens, it will be a stalemate. Because both would grow infinitely to the point they would shatter reality
@@Scalerlord Well I was saying if he was CREATED in opm universe... you see in dbz a drone gathered DNA from everyone and ENHANCED the DNA so if Cell was created in the opm universe he would be a enhanced version of Saitama
But why Garou couldn't copy Cell's Power and Speed like he did with Saitama? Just because the fight will be boring? If Garou copies Cell he can mix that speed and strength with his own abilities (portals, black holes....) and create new attacks which Cell can't possibly counter. I really can't see Cell winning this fight, they might have similar stats at the beginning but Garou' ability to copy, to adapt and versatility are much greater than his opponent's. Basically this fight is Cell VS another Cell with dozens more abilities. Sure Cell can regrow a lost limb but so can Garou and if Cell becomes stronger so can Garou, on the top of that The Hero Hunter could simply sense Cell's nucleus like he did with Elder Centipede's one and aim for it
I am going to break down what would happen. Garou: Mode Cell Cell Fights for a bit before getting overwhelmed by Garou growing in power mid fight. Keep in mind Garou can also regenerate, has higher stamina (dragon ball fights are oddly short in universe meaning the longest fights are like an hour long where as Garou has fought for hours while keeping his strength and wits), dragon ball martial arts is a lie and is honestly insulting since it barely exists so Garou is more skilled, also Garou can negate his defenses and hit his internal organs (or in this case regeneration core) directly making a single hit deadly since Cell won’t be able to heal mid fight. Prof your are kinda bias in this fight though I love your vids.
The problem with your argument is that Cell has a much better regeneration and survivability thanks to piccolo and frieza, which is something Garou can't copy because it's a genetic thing. I can't see Garou surviving his head blown off or getting his heart destroyed. When it comes to stamina, its a bit up in the air because of their competition. Garou has only fought people around his level with a few breaks in between and he's never really shown any stamina feats as Cosmic fear mode, while Cell fought Gohan who had a far wider gap of power compared to the gap between Garou and Saitama, Cell was practically getting his ass kicked pretty badly which was why he was so tired. And speaking of Garou's copy mode technique, there's a pretty huge flaw that a lot of people don't point out in that Garou has never actually surpassed Saitama's power using it, he was just only able to copy the boosts in power and speed. If Cell gets a zenkai boost that'll effectively mean that Garou will no longer be able to have the advantage in physical stats again at that point. It'll just be a stalemate until Cell gets another zenkai boost over and over again until Cell learns all of Garou's techniques and just straight up beat him.
@@darryltorres7302Garou never surpassed Saitama not because he was growing but because Saitama somehow grew twice as fast as the guy copying him and was aiming to surpass him. Cell realistically was given so much extra stuff here like trying to say power levels are a useful measure of scaling power in any way shape or form. A human farmer had a power level of 5 meaning 50 regular humans would equal king piccolo in power meaning the average guy is really close to light speed by the logic of this video. Cell lacks any technique that would realistically kill Garou whereas Garou has so many that would kill cell by negating durability, deflecting his own attacks to weaken him, make him cough up the androids by again just negating durability, potentially using radiation to stop his regeneration (we don’t really know how far his regeneration goes), or trapping him in a different dimension something we know goku can not teleport in or out of since it would be impossible to sense any power from there. This is all assuming their stats are similar which they aren’t. Mr perfect cell had to use so so so many guidelines and weird scaling to make cell as fast he was here.
This video is a joke if you're going to accurately measure how powerful Garou is don't Cherry pit the factual info. Cosmic garo is way stronger than perfect cell could ever be but y'all downplayed this man so bad
@@mrperfectcell5079you left out a bunch of important factual information that puts garou level of power literally on an infinite horizon. You only went by the visual level of destruction while leaving out everything else.
@@mrperfectcell5079and you ain't even get the visual level of destruction correct. In another panel you can see a bunch of galaxies in the back ground. Y'all sitting here dismissing that as if it don't exist. Common Sense would tell you if you saw galaxies in the background then they took out a bunch of galaxies during the serious punch square explosion cuz it's galaxies all in that panel.
@@whygiveup11on the other hand,the same calc that shows the power of serious punch^2 and got mss rating,is also has another end where the explosion reaches the andromeda,and it got a galaxy level+,and in some calc,even multi galaxy,but they didn't say that,,so he could be around mss or multi galaxy level",cuz that would mean Cell has no advantages xd. But they mentioned all the ends of the speed,cuz they know Cell can overcome it anyway...what a biased fanboy channel
@@barnabastoma1075the factual information literally puts garo on a infinite horizon of power dude y'all sitting here only going by the visual level of destruction and dismissing everything else makes you people the true biased one's. So miss me with the nonsense you're speaking y'all purposely leaving out a bunch of the factual information already makes this a false outcome. The factual information always has priority over your opinion and what you think. This is a complete Mitch match because cell is nowhere near the power level of cosmic garou
All of the skills Garou does. Deflecting, pressure points, air slice etc. It is all pretty much done in OG db when One wasn't even born. While the super fast blurry and power focus fights may not allow to show the skill level, most people Goku fights and trains under are gods that have been around longer than the milky way and know far more fighting styles that humans do.b
😳 wtf!? why didn't they mention the fact that cosmic garou's reversal of causality feat is much more powerful than whis' temporal do-over. and, if weis is more powerful than beerus and goku, and cosmic garou is more powerful than whis, then cosmic garou is stronger and faster than goku, beerus, weis, and perfect cell. maybe next time they can do a side by side comparison of whis' and cosmic garou's feats. they also neglected to mention the fact that cosmic garou's and saitama's punch2 possibly destroyed billions of galaxies, stars, nebulas, black holes, dark matter, etc. and that punch squared might have travelled beyond the cosmic horizon, as opposed to goku's and beerus' punch which only shook the macrocosm? and, if punch squared did travel past the cosmic horizon, scientists can't use the inverse square law to measure the distance. i think scientist would measure the distance using redshift curve or something like that. and . . . . goku can't breathe in space but saitama, cosmic garou and blast can. 🤯🤭😆
@@mrperfectcell5079and u say cell win WHAT he don't even have galaxy lvl feat but garou punch can make hole in universe and garou have all martial arts in universe
When Cell is regenarating he is losing a lot of stamina and Garo is also able to regenarate and Garo at the end of his battle whith Saitama gets much stronger he can also use portals to redirect the ki attacks on Cell. Thers ABSOLUTELY NO WAY Garo is losing this fight
No it’s stated his regen barely consumes any stamina and he is shown doing it effortlessly numerous times He can use portals that way but he’s never actually done it in character He does get stronger but only by a couple dozen times and it wouldn’t really change the gap
The reason Cell was losing so much stamina was because it was Ssj2 Gohan kicking his ass who's WAYYYY stronger than Garou. Yes, Garou can use portals but that still isn't going to do much against Cell's speed. Garou has regeneration but nowhere near Cell's level due to Frieza's survivability. Cell has more way to win than Garou, even Cell's zenkai boosts are better than Garou's own, since its an exponential growth unlike Garou's who only grows by a few times.
@@mrperfectcell5079Garou can negate durability to target the androids or cell’s regeneration nexus within. Garou grows in combat even when copying someone the reason he didn’t beat Saitama was because the caped baldy grew just that much faster. Dragon ball fights are short and even in his fight against goku Cell was on tired and nearly unable to keep fighting and we know this fight wasn’t particularly long in universe. Garou can fight for hours to potentially days without slowing down. Even when injured, poisoned, tired, and surprised human Garou was still able to fight multiple strong enemies while defending a child then went on to fight Genos and Bang. Also I think most folk here would agree your power level scaling is kinda weird since power levels do not make sense like even a little bit. This is why most people don’t use them it just makes things annoying.
@@mrperfectcell5079you are a complete idiot cell stands no chance against Cosmic fear Garo once he copied your abilities it's done the fights over his copy ability has no limits so this video is stupid I see why you're doing this just to make Dragon Ball fans happy so you can be bison escape from the truth cuz you don't want to tell the truth
Bro Garou Actually make void in Universe 😭 Garou solo perfect cell💯 also he Have Every Energy in Universe 💯💯 Rip Perfect Cell But Garou Cant solo Cell Max!!
I do think that garou is multi solar system lvl but he can’t beat cell because cell is stupid fast, garou wouldn’t land a hit while cell could and he could easily adapt to garou technically and possibly copy his attacks
@@mohamedbinishaq3169 Cosmic garou copied saitama's strength and speed. He would do the same with cell and beat him. And cell can only copy someone if cell has that persons DNA. For example, cell could use kamehameha because he had gokus DNA not because he had copy ability. And cell is only solar system level
@@Scalerlord the gap between cell and garou speed is just too big the best feat for garou is calculated at like 300 times the speed of light mabye even a 1000 but cell scales to base goku who crossed the other world which is calculated like quintillions of times faster than light so cell easily speed blitzed and cell would easily scale to multi solar system lvl considering first form Frieza and even king vegeta has shown dwarf star lvl feats and his final form is more than 220x times stronger so mathematically you could easily get cell to multi solar system and cell would simply beat up garou so fast who couldn’t even react and wouldn’t even have to time to process or copy anything cell easily stomps
I do think that cell would win he could just adapt mid fight get Zenkai boosts mid fight if garou is able to get some hits in which don’t think so because cell speed is just too much
It coould be close most definently, but the reason why Pefect Cell would win is because of his abilities, hax, and power. To start off, Cell literally has a massive amount of regneration, scaling above any seen from one punch man. Lets take for example the fact that boros took around a few seconds to heal back a PORTION of his body. Cell took a few seconds to heal from a SINGLE CELL. Garou's gamma ray burst doesn't vaporize, if you want to try and use that. It can vaporitize possibly but thats if it's a weaker character, in which Cell literally has durability thats high balled to possibly be around solar+ if we use the feats of his kamehameha having the power to destroy a entire solar system with the correct translations, and even a full power blast my gohan and goku took around a few seconds to actually blast cell to oblivion. Theres also the potential we have to talk about. It depends on what Cell form we're using, but he almost automaticaly surpasses Garou's potential overall, as seen with his zenkai boost, and ability to absorb powers like how he had absorbed goku's ssj form which allowed him to evolve into a even stronger form. This iswhen zenkai boost are important because cell literally has the ability to recover instantenously alongside getting stronger to the point he could rival a ssj2 Gohan, which was one of the strongest characters in the verse at that time. And lets also include some of cells other abilities. With literally one touch, he can grab you and kill you, as seen when he shot a beam and was able to manipulate someones body and then just thrash them around, and this is not even including his kamehameha variations. From earth destroying to solar, it literally represents feats that garou wasn't even capable of being close to doing💀💀 And then lets do physcal just in case that is not enough proof. Literally stated by multiple characters at the time, cell is so fast that he is capable of keeping up with a goku in his super saiyan full power form, which is far far beyond light speed already. Cell also has insane durability, as seen that he really only took major damage from a evolved super saiyan form such as ssj2 gohan. Stamina doesn't really need an explanation because cell basically has an ulimited soucre of ki and stamina, as his android side allows him to do this, while garou has tons of stamina, it is not a infinite source. Garou still has abilities though like copy, but he simply can't keep up with cells regeneration and techniques. It would definently be close if you think about it, but as cell just absorbs more power from fighting garou, Cell would just ultimately become the winner, as his abilities are too strong for even a full power garou to even catch up too.
cosmic garou called himself "absolute evil" which makes him platonically "outerversal"! also, based on an extrapolation of genos' third scenario (chapter 169), if cosmic garou and saitama performed the reversal of causality feat based on the state space of quantum mechanics theory, which has infinite dimensional hilbert space, then the one punch man verse is hypothetically dimensionally outerversal! 🤯
@@fitnessstuff915 🥲🥲🥲🤧💀♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️💔,capppp of the year 2023.what you said here is absolutely 💯💯 incredible garbage.even Majin Buu is evil incarnate so does that make him outerversal 🤣 aswell,cope harder
@@fitnessstuff915 the living universe in dragon ball has super dimensions which means being beyond the order of dimensions,and cell has multiple statementa of being able to destroy the mortal universe if you want to go there 😆🙃
@@uzookafor8721 wtf are you talking about??? don't you know your dragon ball??? when vegeta was speaking to the elder kai, he called kid buu "pure evil" which (guess what?) makes buu platonically outerversal! 🤯
@@uzookafor8721 🥱 yawn. every manga fan knows about dragon ball's super dimension as well as db scalers claims that super dimensions and other convoluted, possibly mistranslated statements make the db verse outerversal. and, everybody saw the broly movie. 😆 however, statements aren't feats. cosmic garou's and saitama's first punch ripped a giant hole in the universe. now that's a feat!!! 🤯
One thing to point out? Even if Garou did deflect Cell's own energy attacks back at him it wouldn't necessarily mean he'd get harmed by it. In Dragon Ball your attack potency would also match your durability as well. Goku shot a full Power Kamehameha at himself during his training on Namek and in Super and it didnt do anything to him.
Characters in Dragon Ball routinely are able to get hurt by their own attacks. It's not like two characters with the same level of power are unable to hurt each other.
Also the deflection of Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist doubles the force of the attack.
@@Supreme_Court. Actually, we would only see cases of that happening is if they focus alot of energy into the single part on their bodies. Such as Captain Ginyu before his body swap. And we've never seen anyone on "Equal" terms of Power being able to not hurt each other because that's never been in the case. Even if you're a "bit" stronger then the other it wouldn't be a stalemate at all. As for Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist? It has a limit for redirecting force, as in the user cannot deflect attacks that have too much power behind, in comparison to the strength of the user themselves. And even if it did there wasn't anything that said it "doubles" the user's opponent's attack. Or at least, I haven't seen anything that states this, I could be wrong so just show me atleast. But from what I know It just defense, reflects, and attack.
@@BLAZE_EDTIZ There are plenty of cases of characters being evenly matched and their attacks being able to hurt each other significantly. There's no example of someone saying anything like "It's a good thing there's a slight difference between us or we wouldn't be able to hurt each other at all." And if one was just a "bit" stronger then wouldn't the attacks still have minimal effect?
You're creating this head canon based on the one scene from Goku's training, and your recollection isn't even correct. It wasn't a full power kamehameha, it was a barrage of small kamehamehas. He was hitting himself with them for the explicit purpose of adapting and getting stronger, which wouldn't make any sense if they had no effect on him. They obviously did have an effect, as they hurt him to the point that he was crawling across the floor to get a senzu bean and then said, "Close one, I guess there really is such a thing as training too hard. Won't do anyone any good if I end up dead. I've gotta be more careful." There is no solid basis for your idea of DB characters not being hurt by their own level of power.
The perfected WSRSF doesn't really have a limit on force, if the user has enough skill then even extreme differences of strength can be redirected. Garou failed to redirect Darkshine's tackle, but he refined his technique to the point where later he was redirecting strikes from Saitama. Not that this is really an issue with Cosmic Garou as he can instantly copy the strength used anyway. Also your whole argument was based on the redirection being successful, but Cell not being harmed by his own strength. The redirected attacks having double the damage comes from page 5 of ch 49 in the manga or episode 3 of season 2 when Tank Top Master is describing Garou's martial arts. This was also at the very beginning of Garou's hero hunt, long before he had refined his techniques to the point they reached by the end of the Monster Association arc.
Frieza was cut in half by his own destructo disk. Cell may not get damaged badly but reflecting his ki blasts through portal will really damage him enough to take control over the right. Captain ginyu, Vegeta did hurt themselves badly. Vegeta was knocked out by his own ki blasts in gravity chember
@@Supreme_Court. Double strength is only for physical attacks, not energy attacks
Imagine Super Buu shape shifting into a big centipede, with his scary Super Buu face at the front.
So basically you wanked cell to infinity, by granting him feats that are highly inconsistent, way more than any of Garou, "but the dainshenzuu would've put Cell destroying a planet within the solar system" according to the dainshenzuu the solar system apparently contains an incredible amount of stars and planets, so it wouldn't make sense for them to put the destruction of one within it, and js even more inconsistent with the fact that none of those are seen while showing the outside of earth (which would yes rebunk the speed, but fodderize Cell ap), neither in z or in super.
And downplayed garou by not granting him speed equal to his attacks which you did for cell (for example Blast reacted to the ray, but is pretty much implied that Saitama and garou got so much stronger than that, so i have no doubt thay they would speedbliz blast)
I see, then you don't know anything about Dragon Ball, right? It shows, in addition to the fact that the video ignored many statements and feats for Cell, such as Frieza destroying a galaxy in the anime or Goku being faster than his ship, which is at least billions. ftl
@@yeikelamores6085 i see, you don't know anything about Dragonball, like, you got mislead by dumb wankers on yt, is not your fault.
Freezer never blew up a galaxy, it was probably a nebula and it didn't blow up, simply the explosion could be seen from some distance.
While Goku isn't at all faster than a ship, since Kaioh just had difficulty keeping up with short movements, is stated in the manga that just Jiren can accomplish such a feat, and not even that well since there were some circumstances.
Dyspo and Toppo literally were surprised that he was capable of such thing.
If you try to correct someone, at least try to be right
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Here are two videos that show why Frieza destroyed the galaxy, plus the speed feat of being faster than spaceships is pretty consistent,Since later thoughts have Feats equal to or better than that in the series, you're also confusing combat speed and travel speed.
@@yeikelamores6085 1) it talks about light (which he tried as a point, knowing that is would debunk his whole scale) anyway it goes in contradiction to the narrative
2) there are no such great feats in the entirety of db
In my oppinion,you guys was extremely generous toward Cell and heavily downplayed Garou.....
Cell having just a statement abouth him capable of destroying a ,,galactic nebula" which is questionable itself cuz we didn't actually see the solar system in db and nor its size got mentioned,but lets just gave it to him. On the other hand the mss level is Garou's lowest end interpretation you can use for him,cuz the blast could just travell an intergalactic distance do to the share fact,you can see galaxies on several panels and that void was completely dark.
On the other hand,you guys just highballed Goku's and Cells martial art and said that,,well grandpa Gohan was the god of martial arts,so Cell is better "while you didn't even mentioned why it is sould be better....
Cell's baseline radiation resistence doesn't do shit against Garous passive radiation,which can kill humans in literally minutes,and it is just hes passive aura.....let alone surviving a gamma ray burst which is billions of grays. Speaking of grb, do to the immence radiation it contains and the billions of degrees celsius it produces, the gamma ray burst can destroy organisms at a SUB ATOMIC level,so Cell's regen got bypassed by that alone.
Geez you guys even ignored the fact that Garou got literally several oneshot levels stronger on Io within microseconds considering they are fighting with mftl speeds aswell.
And the most importantlyyou can't even comprehand just how busted Garou's copying abilities really are.....with a large star/solar system level ap(initial CFMGarou's ap),he was capable of just copy Saitama's serious punch,which has an ap range of multi solar system as a lowball and multi galaxy level as a reasonable highball. For the sace of argument, we gonna lowball Garou at mss level......the share difference between solar system level,and mss level is incomprehanceble.....WE ARE TALKING ABOUTH BILLIONS OF TRILLIONS OF TIMES DIFFERENCES AND GAROU JUST COPIED IT INSTANTLY LIKE IT WAS NOTHING. And again, Garou got even stronger after the Io fight.
For the ignorance of yours shown off in this video,you got a dislike,and in conclusion,be happy if Super perfect Cell can beat pre serious punch Cosmic fear Garou
1.I don’t see why the size of the solar system needs to be stated in the manga itself if a guide already clarifies its size are you saying I can’t use guide statements now?
2.i literally explained how goku became as skilled as grandpa Gohan and roshi with cell rivaling a more experienced and skilled goku
3.the intergalactic calcs for garou require a lot of assumptions and you can only see galaxies in the distance in like one panel whereas you never see them again which makes that “you can see galaxies” argument incredibly inconsistent
4.base cosmic fear garou already scales to FP saitama as he was reacting to him and taking punches from him on io even before copying his power
5.garou only got stronger Vs saitama due to copying and even then it was only a couple dozen times not to mention he would only be able to use the copy ability if we equalized the energy systems between the versus
Stop acting like we didn’t do our research and said cell wins for no reason and start coming at me with these mid arguments
@@mrperfectcell5079 1 you can use databook statements,but hell,don't act like it would be written by GOD itself,cuz the databook statement itself doesn't do anything. The primer source material is the anime/manga which the databook describes,or explains,but if you don't see/it isn't even shown what is he describing,than it is an assumbtion,or a highball at best. Even Tatsumaki has statements where she,,can lift all of creation",than I can put her to large star level,or what?
2 you just said that Grandpa Gohan and roshii is considered the ,,god of martial arts",and than Goku has more skill than them,and Cell can throw hands with him,but you didn't even explained what fighting style he posseses,or what is hes arsenal capable of,what you did with Garou. You just basically pretend like,,See that Guy Garou who can do 826268262 martial arts technique,and can copy techniques and power asswell? Nah,Cell skill stomps him". Basically that was your argument
3 how the fuck would be a ,,baseless assumption" that their class reached inter galactic distences,whan you can clearly see galaxies in the back ground,and even on the scan,where is the soace void,you can clearly see some dots are oval shape(idk how to say it in english...). Now you can say that this is how Murata draw stars,but than you ignore the other panels,where the celestial bodies are perfectly eound shaped,indicating that they are stars. And on the other hand,the calc you had shown is still lowball,cuz it is using the sun's GBE as its destructive capacity,while there is wery eseally a larger star/magnetar or a neutron star was destroyed,and than the calc would be way higher. And what I think is a real ignorance is whan you mentioned Garou's calc,you just mentioned its lowest end as it would be the only end Garou scales to,but you didn't even mentioned the high end,which puts Garou to a wery high end galaxy level,buuut you did the exact opposite with the speed. You mentioned both ends,even if the highest end was really an assumption,cuz you wanted Cell to be more dominant.
4 we are basically read the same manga??????how do you came to the conclusion initial cosmic Garou is= to a serious punch whan he needed to enter,, mode Saitama" in order to being capable of matching it??????? Bruh...
5 it doesn't change the fact that Garou instantly copied a power that is billions of trillions of times greater than its own....
And 6 you didn't even answear to the wincons I had mentioned earlier such ass: BFR,ap stomp,radiation,overcoming Cells regen,subatomic destruction with black hole and GRB. Hell Cell really just has advantage in speed and at least a slight skill advantage but thats it. Initial CFM Garou's victim
@@barnabastoma1075
1.Its literally the daizenshuu which was created by the staff that MAKES dragon. Even toriyama comments on its credibility saying it would have helped him write the series. Yes the manga is the source matieral, but if that source doesnt go against what the databook says then I can use it. It doesnt matter if the manga doesn't say its a nebula as it doesn't say its NOT a nebula either.. end of the day the guide literaly contradicts NOTHING and you have no argument as to why I cant use it
2.Basically that grandpa gohan shit was just to explain cell skill is off the charts at least in terms of normal hand to hand marital arts in combat styles and that garou doesn't have skill feats on that level in that particular area. We explained garous versatility because thats basically all we have to go off for garou's skill and we did say in terms of versatility garou takes it probably due to the fact that most of garous martial arts are more like superpowers. Also like i said his copy ability would only work if we equalizied energy systems which we didnt in addition to cell having insane adaptation abilities as well.
Goku, who performed a techinque that took someone as skilled as roshi 50 years to pull off, took months to master instant transmission while cell over here mastered it after seeing it 3 times. Garou doesn't have any adaptation feasts anywhere close to that level
Raw Hand To Hand: Cell
Versatility: Garou
Adaptation: Cell
3. Again you only see galaxies in the background in ONE PANEL... meaning that background art style is inconsistent and the argument cant be use since we never see themk again despite us seeing numerous panels that have a sky full of stars... Also many other calcs also say its around that level (10^63 Joules) Making it the most consistent level for garou and the level that requires the least assumptions which is why we went with it
4.I didnt say he was as strong as saitama just that he scales to him... He is obviously weaker than him but he is still strong enough to take punches and react to him so hes not like billions of times weaker or something
5.Go ahead and prove raditaion attacks on a subatomic level and prove a black hole is strong enough to kill cell which i doubt since garou is strong enough to withstand one and cell is as strong as him
@@mrperfectcell5079 to be 100% fair the staff that makes dragon ball is paid to make everything seem way stronger and cooler that’s why visual feats hold more water since if this same level of scaling kid Tamari from Naruto can blast away the universe.
@@mrperfectcell5079 1still we don't onow how big is a solar system in the dragonball,but considering the fact dragonball has regular sized galaxies,than a solar system can't be that big
2 is that ofc Goku learned the kamehameha,cuz sayans can produce kii based energy beams from childhood,such a technique souldn't be that hard for Goku. But if we gave this to him,then silver fang is literally 81 yo and Garou is on par with him,even while he is in hes sleeping state and he becamed more skilled
3 bruh I can literally show you 3-4 panels.....
4 brooooo don't start this shitty shitler weird ass db fanboy logic that suggests if character A is stronger or equal than character B,than he resists everything from character A. Cell has no gravity manip resistence,and a black hole teares you apart even more than subatomic level
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photodisintegration
Here we go
5 headcanon. Than why the hell did Garou entered Saitama mode if he scales to a sp already?????
12:21 major league levels of cap considering that a much weaker monster Garou was able to detect and locate Sage Centipede's regenerative core, rip it out, and throw it into space.
your right
the only issue witb that is Sage Centipede’s regenerative core is far larger than Cell’s, so it’s not exactly the same thing.
@@tbalpha2295 in the manga the lump in cells head was never stated to be microscopic on top of it being contradicted by Goku splitting his wig wit the warp Kamehameha so it never made sense to begin with, unlike the survive if one cell is left thing in the anime.
Garou would find that regenerative core just like he did Sage and just like how Bang did Melgazard
@@SuperKamiGuruuFair, ig you can argue garou can find manga cell’s core but not anime cell’s. Either way, cell should speed blitz and outskill
@@tbalpha2295 Garou has enough firepower to vaporize Cell. Speed/ *ability to become faster during the fight* goes to Garou as well
11:41 Cell being as versatile with energy will be his downfall since if he goes Kamehameha, Garou goes Kamehameha.
Cell goes Kienzan, Garou goes Kienzan.
Cell goes Makankosanpo, Garou goes Makanosanpo
That's only concerning if Garou can give a greater output. If his energy isn't higher then Cell's the only thing that attack would do is just damage him for a short while until he heals. Lets not forget although Garou can get stronger overtime Cell would give himself a Zenkai boost would then eclipse his original Power preventing Garou from closing the gap between the two. Not to mention even with that he still get stronger as he fights as well.
@@BLAZE_EDTIZ Cell can only get a zenkai boost if hes nearly completely vaporized ala his self destruction.
The final flash and warp Kamehameha would have finished cell if they both completely covered him, especially the FF.
Garou is too close in stats (really greater) with Cell for his haxes to not shine.
@@SuperKamiGuruu Final flash is kinda debatable. To be honest I don't think it would have destroyed his nucleus. Keep in mind Cell most likely Powered down to test himself against Vegeta.
@@BLAZE_EDTIZ Cell still almost got clapped, there's no trying to rewrite that established piece of history.
@@SuperKamiGuruu Rewrite? I'm not rewriting anything.
Garous durability compared to his power is greater than any Z fighters.He got his bones broken by orochi and still he healed back and fought orochi and gave him hard time despite being in awakened process not even monster form.And orochi is moon buster.And of course cosmic garou is billion times stronger than that form with more broken haxes such as copying power,abilities,changing the flow of energy etc.
Cell had half his body blown off including his head... What are you even talking about
@@dudeekill4win The fact that weak gohan SS2 could destroy cell proves he cant just keep generating energy endlessly.His body has a limit to how much he can heal.Because cell got weaker and ran out of energy,gohan who was half powerful after his arm injury was able to destroy him and cell could no longer regenerate.Cosmic garou on the other hand tanked hundreds of serious punches from saitama and still was not obliterated like cell.So garou did not even need regeneration since he could rewind time or use portals to cancel any attacks.And he could regenerate since his monster form.The only reason why he could not regenerate against satama is because saitama gave him no chance to concerntrate his energy
@@SCP3143.
you're doing a false equivalency.
You have to remember that Garou copied all of Saitama's stats, so it would make sense that Saitama isn't straight up one shotting Garou. However when time does get sent back to before Garou basically whoops everyone's ass, he gets one shotted.... Did we read the same manga? You call Gohan weak, but even the video stated why those characters basically solo everyone in OPM besides Saitama.
@@SCP3143. you're also implying that Cell would even give Garou a chance and obviously he wouldn't and cell also gets zenkai boosts, so theoretically he would just outpace garou. Cells regeneration is MUCH stronger, his durability is arguably stronger without Garou straight up copying him, strength is very comparable and speed is heavily in cells favor. Also, cell has INFINITE energy, so he wouldn't get tired. This also excludes any universe busting statements that cell has. This fight is either a stalemate or cell straight up wins
@@dudeekill4win Saitama could one shot garou at his peak if he wanted to but he promised tario that he would not kill him because garou is like an uncle to that kid.And saitama doesn't want to kill humans+he sees garou like a typical raged high school kid who needs to be humbled rather than equal opponent.Yes he did say in manga that he can finally go all out but he said that because he had no idea how powerful god powered garou was
"Is Close"
Thanks for finally admitting it.
Such a good vid
no shade and i think it's a great vid, but i will always find it eternally funny how a dbz fan can take a statement clearly saying one thing is solar system level, and manage to find a way to argue it's actually galaxy level. literally the slander meme with the guy with the whiteboard
It’s only solar system level without further context also I said it was multi solar not galaxy level
@mrperfectcell5079 I know, im just exaggerating a little for the joke. I personally like to judge characters off their narrative strength than stuff like calacs. Most of the stuff done in story is over exaggeration for the sake of story, like the time toriyama said ssj felt like a 10x rather then 50x, but was made 50x cuz of 20x kaioken. While i dont agree with a lot of powerscaling. I just find it intriguing how people can take it go to such extremes using multipliers and statements the authors clearly said to make stuff seem cooler rather than stuff they clearly though though
To clarify a little, if i were to give an example from the video, i would say cell's speed feats, if hes billions or quadrillions faster than light, how is solar flare effective to basically anyone. Seeing the math and calcs behind it is epic to see, but it just feels so stupidly insane that the author have clearly never thought about and would break the narrative plot otherwise. Like if they fight at that speed, how does any fight last longer than a fraction of a second. That kinda stuff
@@ultraninja5783 well author intent isn’t as important as it seems cus regardless of what the intent was the author still put that in there and doesn’t really affect the feat at all and I is kinda impossible to prove an authors intent for all we know powerscaling could be their intent
@@mrperfectcell5079 for accurate and direct comparisons, i agree that powerscaling is basically the only way to do it fairly. But crazy overscaling is taken out of proportion. For example, people say naruto and all the characters in boruto are solar system to galaxy level just because kaguya created her own parallel dimension. Which to anyone actually reading, sounds crazy when you see then fight and barely blow up a mountain with their biggest attacks.
I know its a stupidly low ball, but just by vibe and how the story is set up, frieza feels more like he should be large planet rather than solar system+. Using maths and multipliers, hes clearly far beyond that, but just narratively, him being around that level of power seems to match up his actions the best. Like, if frieza and all of his goons are so massively ftl, they could just scan all of namek for the dragon balls in minutes with even just a dozen of them. Just creates more plot holes than it fixes.
Its not scientific in the slightest, but just kinda feels right to me. More like my interpretation of what the author was thinking when designing and writing. To me, the result of some power scales just don't make sense, but i can understand why some people might get to the conclusion, even if it far differs from me.
Tldr: i just guess it off a vibe check lol
I wonder who scaled these speed feats... 😂😂Because it seems straight cap
Awesome video 🔥
Great video!
Bro, couldn’t Cosmic Fear Garou just copy cell’s physical stats and all his techniques? I know Saitama beat him, but that was because Saitama was growing faster than Garou could copy him. And on the note of Cell outranking Garou with energy blasts, not only could Garou easily copy any key blasts cell those his way, he could definitely also just use Blast’s portals to close the gap (as he can put portals anywhere he can see, as seen when he instantly transported back to earth even though he and Saitama were all the way over at Io), plus Blast’s gravity knuckle can take chunks out of physical matter, effectively giving him aoe punches. That, combined with Garou’s total mastery over all fundamentals of the universe, would likely allow Garou to overcome cell’s regeneration, or he could just straight up copy it, effectively stalemating them. But, if you want to argue that cell’s ki blasts could overcome his own regeneration and thus Garou’s, then all Garou would need to do is copy those ki blasts and use them himself, probably even more effectively than cell himself could. Also, if cell created cell juniors and Garou copied that ability, at the rate Garou grows in fights, especially against stronger opponents he could theoretically infinitely clone himself (if those Harpu juniors could also copy any ability) and completely overwhelm cell with sheer numbers. Going even beyond that, Garou could potentially copy the saiyan genes in cell and gain the ability to go super saiyan, and if he can instantly master any ability, he could probably unclock super saiyan 3, or at the very least 2 almost instantly. Also, also, if Garou gained cell’s regeneration, he would know all of its intricacies and how to use them, so he would know what he needs to do to counter it. He could probably also copy cell’s ability to blow himself up then regen from a single cell, that combined with saiyan genes allowing Garou to have Zenkai boosts, he and his many Garou juniors could blow themselves up on cell only to return with a super perfect cell level amp. In the end, they’d either stalemate each other or Garou would massively out scale cell pretty quickly then just obliterate him like Gohan did.
Ok bro you gotta like sum that up that’s like way too much to read
@@mrperfectcell5079 Garou can just copy Cell's physical stats and abilities, like his regen and his saiyan genes, and could probably even create Garou Juniors. Plus, he could copy Cell's use of ki and instantly master it because he has dominion over all aspects of the universe.
@@evronian1129 his copy ability would only work if we equalized energy systems which we didn’t plus cells regen and saiyan adaptation are biological abilities so garou wouldn’t be able to copy those anywha
@@mrperfectcell5079or way to much to handle 😂
@@mrperfectcell5079Dude come on you have to see this fight is kinda a mismatch.
this video was perfect
Yooo the goats on
doesn´t Garou also have regen and Garou also faced a regenerating opponent in Sage centipede, he needed to destroy a core and then he split Sage centipede apart.
9:57 he has hiper space portals he just didin't really use it because sitama kicked one
Depends on if this is Cosmic Garou or Mode:Saitama Garou...The former should be able to copy cell and have superior fighting skills but Cell's intellect and regeneration would give him the upper hand on the long term. Mode:Saitama was growing exponentially so there's nothing cell can do...he can't keep up with that.
That would require Saitama to actually be there to copy. That kinda defeats the point in a 1v1
Actually, with the boost super perfect cell can get basically instantly he could just get infinitely stronger if Garou keeps whooping him.
@@dudeekill4winthen cells Kamehameha would require goku to be there to copy. I'd like to think death battle style like give them all their abilities.
also that would imply there is a bang to copy blast to copy and god to give power.
@@flamefists911 that is not true. Cell inately has Goku's(all the Z fighters and some enemies) cells and his abilities. IE, he was able to use the Kamehameha the first time he fought Piccolo without ever laying eyes on Goku. I get what you mean, but Garou's power literally depends on being able to copy the person, so I would still say it isn't fair. Obviously, Saitama would kill Cell, but that would require Saitama to be there to copy.
To put it simply, Without the cells of the Z fighters, etc, Perfect cell would not exist. Him having those cells would mean that he has those abilities and he would need to copy them. Garou on the hand, needs to copy a character before the fight starts or during the fight. Which once again, removes the point in having a 1v1. If you want to say that monster Garou should Fight imperfect Cell then that's fine, but then cell stomps. If you want Garou to have mode Saitama then he should win.
With that being said, I think this is overall a really good fight. I just think Garou might lack the killing power to put cell down, and cell also has unlimited energy. Garou has the better ability in Copy and is faster IMO.
Garou stated he needed to continuously copy Saitama's power, his potential isn't copied along with it
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Garou wins low diff he just copies and surpasses cell and cell can’t outgrow him like saitama 🌚 he even has better variety of abilities
Cell can't outgrow him, but he can keep getting zenkais each time Garou destroys him, only if Garou figures out cell's weakness cuold end it, but Cell could also notice that Kaio-ken can Hurt quite badly Garou if he copies it, wich Garou would problably do considering how much of a Boost Kaio-ken gives, un that snario Cell would Take it, it's more of a 50/50 case really
@@koregafics2380 garou would definatky know to destroy his cells and wouldn’t copy kaikoen because his rate if growth by that point would have far exceeded cells so he would just be dominationg and use one of his ultra wide range moves and destroy all his cells why would he copy Kaioken he’s already surpassed cell by miles
@@koregafics2380 and I don’t like that infinte zenkai boost stuff even if he gets it garou would just copy whatever current power level he’s on from the zenkai boost and continue to dominate him
@@greatminikwu9089 everything you said was wrong
@@koregafics2380Its close but gap between cell and god powered garou is huge.Garou would have to keep training on his power for at least an year and prevent energy lickage but time freeze,rewind time and portas would close the gap.cell cat do nothing against space time monupulation.But due to having 5D power,garou would bring thousands of his versions from different timeline and obliterate cell.But without time monupulation,cell would dogwalk cosmic garou who was as strong as super sayan goku in android saga
I did a calc a while back that put Saitama's Jupiter sneeze around Namek 100% Frieza/Super Saiyan Goku level. Just before the sneeze, we see this Saitama no-diffs peak Cosmic Garou. Considering Frieza started no-diffing base Goku after stating he'd use half his power, I think this means Garou likely peaks around twice as strong as base Goku was at the start of his Frieza fight.
Bear in mind, by almost any standard this is an incredible feat. But Dragon Ball numbers are ridiculous.
damn I haven't been subbed, my bad
garou stomps
Stay mad
@@dylanhudec979 cope
Cry more
@@gamingwithtamzid4732 cope x2
I agree Garou would stomp his feet in anger knowing he doesn’t stand a chance against Cell
Garou multi galaxy at high ball scale 😢 and got galaxy+ qt lowball
The sheer amount of cap is hilarious
9:05 back round girl rar
Garou can't just copy someone abilities, garou got the knowledge of the universe and all those abilities are part of the universe so garou knows how to do them that's why garou can copy them, if its someone and his abilities are outside the opm universe garou can only mimic what he thinks the attack is
Ok, but what about Perfecter Cell?
What about Cell's Kaioken?!
11:07 Goku quite literally explains that Gohan taught him kung fu since birth extremely early in Dragon Ball. Would not call it basic striking at all but Garou is indeed a better martial artist than all of the cast.
Fair.
Garou is not a better martial artist lmao💀🗿
@@mauricejohnson2351 garou could use water stream rock crushing fist. Basically by punching him back with 2x the power.
@@mauricejohnson2351 than all of the cast, he is
@@TableTop_Studios still not better than what Cell does who knows all martial arts to their perfection
Plus he could abuse Zenki boosts
Garou "kill" cell
Also cell: Regenerates from a particule and presents super cell 2
We not gonna mention Garou can improve the abilities he copies and can also use them more effectively.
I mean he has the knowledge of the universe at his disposal. You saying he can’t just rewrite Cell’s DNA?
Banger video!
Satori!
Yoooo satori, loved the boros series
@@jacklondon4017 I'm happy to hear that, thanks (:
Yeah, I knew it was a close fight in Cell's favor.
It really isnt(in cosmic garous favor) cosmic garou could just throw a black hole at cell or just straight up replicate the big bang if he really wanted to or just simply copy his stats which they for some reason were acting like he just couldnt do that in which honestly id go as far as to say that initial cosmic garou(with downplay)is equal to or greater than cells most generous non wank scaling which they also for some reason acted like cell could just spam his solar kamehameha for some reason even tho that move takes time to charge and is his best move on average cell is in those large star ranges which even initial cosmic garou honestly scales past this video is honestly just really biased(towards the dragon ball side of things)
@@nonuser3166cell speed blitz and one top garou 🥱
You knew that mrperfectcell would argue in Cell's favor to make it even seem to be close
@@nonuser3166 you're wanking Garou and downplaying Cell a bit much here. First, Garlic jr, since before dbz, was opening hyperspace gates, and a baby gohan one shot him lol. A black hole ain't doing something to a person who mftl+ no matter which series they're from. Also, there's no evidence to imply that Garou could replicate the Big Bang like that without knowing how it worked, or he would've done it already.
Garou copying Cell's stats will only keep him even with Cell via stats until Cell's next zenkai boost, not outright surpass him. That means there will always be a window in where Cell has the advantage statwise.
The db universe is far larger than our own which opm's own universe is based off of. There are planets the size of a universe in db, a solar system in db is compared to a galatic nebula in size, Multi solar system is a lowball.
Everyone in db has spammed numerous high powered kamehameha without feeling exhausted. Cell was going to use that final Kamehameha AFTER getting destroyed by SSJ2 Gohan and blowing himself up. And since when does cast time mattered to a being that is mftl+.
Garou don't have anything powerful enough to completely destroy Cell.
@@Supreme_Court.No, I knew Cell and Garou were around the same tier of power since CFM Garou first appeared.
Garou can regenerate too.
Let’s be honest here the anime and guides are very different from the manga (which should be the main source) Cell should be a solar system buster to a high solar system buster it also makes the mental scaling easier Frieza saga is planet busting, Cell sage is solar system, Buu saga is galaxy busting, Super+ is bs
Except for the fact that in universe of dragon ball solar system is very different than what a normal planet is. And to be fair , Saiyans during Saiyan saga were planet Busters so Frieza is at least Solar system level in our universe terms
@@devanshsaini1699it depends since there are a lot of statements in dragon ball but they don’t typically make any sense since the manga shows something very different from the anime. For example you could say in the manga the first planet buster we see is friezia since Vegeta could be lying. But if you use guides master roshi from og dragonball would be a planet or even star buster. That’s why I say we should never use the guides since they say some wild things that barely even make sense.
@@epicsavagebros7400 leave guides and statements alone. Let's use things we see. Someone like Piccolo and Roshi back in og Db were strong enough to destroy the moon. What makes u think someone multiple times their level of strength would pose no harm to a planet?
@@devanshsaini1699mostly the fact scaling in dragon ball literally makes no sense. Why does Goku struggle to carry 20kg when he can lift cars? Why can bullets mark a goku who is strong enough to fight Buu? How come Broly or Cell Max don’t destroy Earth when they are rage monsters that can’t control their strength and just want to beat things up?
I love dragon ball really I do but it is not worth scaling since the anti feats are crazy. Hell even if we say Frieza is a solar system bust which he is not Cell would be in the same boat. Heck if you want to use guides Master Roshi is planetary back in dragonball meaning the sayians should be solar system level since they are way stronger and frieza should be multi solar system meaning cell would be galaxy level. If that is what you want to believe then go for it. Honestly I don’t care but don’t go to others trying to argue for the nonsense that dragonball provides.
@@epicsavagebros7400 Age and self control? If Goku walked around with the same power output as he was fighting buu, Everyone would be dead. That's where ki control steps in. Suppressing all your power is not an easy task. Ask those who actually has strength. That's why most people who are strong tend to be calmer . Coz if they aren't they hurt those who they didn't wanna
Did Garou archive his perfect form and defeated his nemesis? I didn't think so
huh?
1:00 Perfect cell but with a suit :O
Hate to say this but once you need to go to multiple guides from different parts of the world to build a case you have gone to deep. Also speed and power are not 100% linear in dragon ball as we see a number of anti feat’s showing that their speed in the manga is capped at a certain point or at least limited since Goku could fight Jiren despite the guy being way stronger than him even outside UI. This means that speed in the verse has a limit and power levels are also not 100% used to measure speed and power since a human farmer had a power level of 5 meaning with your logic he is 1/52 the speed of light.
Bro can you comment without saying l take guide books are literally the author thing and even cosmic garou have the using them dose not make you lose debate
cry about it
When has their speed capped 🗿?
@@mauricejohnson2351dypsos speed is meant to be impressive when he is jsut lightspeed
@@darshanneupane4055 that was a mistranslation
@@mauricejohnson2351 what is the official one then?
11:50 garo just copies
You guys forgot about Garou's reactive evolution. He could just pull a Broly and grow more powerful than even SP Cell. Even if Cell became Super-Duper Perfect, or heavens forbid, Super-DEE-Duper Perfect, if Garou lasts long enough he could beat even that. Unless Cell goes Super Perfect God or Blue(Super Perfect God Super Perfect if you feel like it), then it's just over for Garou.
Now I want SDBH to make an episode where Cell steals everyone's transformations and for him to say "This isn't even my last form". It WILL be longer than the longest arc, and it will be beautiful.
cosmic garou doesn't actually get stronger via his own abilities.. he gets stronger via copying others
the only reason garou was getting stronger earlier in the story was due to his monsterization advancing
also cell grows more powerful as he fights as well he doesnt just have zenkais he also grows stronger mid battle just like goku and vegeta
@@mrperfectcell5079 Since when could Cell do that? That wasn't stated anywhere before. And there's no reason why Garou for Garou to just not have it, because it isn't something limited exclusively to monsterisation. Saitama has that same ability as well.
And do you agree that a SPGSP Cell would be epic?
@@mrperfectcell5079we see garous exponential growth curve in the graph vs saitama, we saw garou quickly outgrowing and blitzing platinum s - all within the 13 microseconds they fought, and not long after, garou splitting sage down the middle, who he couldnt even dent beforehand.
yes, he does have crazy fast growth, its one of his main abilities in canon, its an ability that has carried garou for most of the monster association arc
@@MExperiences he did when fighting goku as he went from on par with goku to even stronger than MSSJ gohan(who’s relative to goku) while holding back
Also he has saiyan cells so he should have their abilities
@@4nnd711 yeah ik garou has crazy adaptation abilities but only because of his monsterization
Cosmic garou only got stronger cus he was copying a saitama that was getting stronger
Does the "shaking the universe" calc shown in the video base itself on the assumption that the "universe" means the observable universe, an infinite universe or a particular one of the many estimated sizes of the entire universe beyond the observable section visible to us? I assume you could wank or lowball Garous power pretty significantly based on how you interpret what is meant by "the universe".
It basis it off the observable universe as that’s the safest bet
@@mrperfectcell5079 I don't think that's the safest bet though, it seems to be scientific consensus that the universe is either some insane number of times larger than the observable universe like 150 sextillion, or infinite. Imagine if there were ancient greek powerscalers that wanted to scale Ares or something and they got the statement "Ares has the power to shake the world". And then instead of using one of their many accurate extrapolations on the diameter of the earth they just assume it means the Mediterranean and Persia which was the "known world" to the greeks at the time. You can say that Murata meant the observable universe but as he didn't specifically say that I think it's a bit of a lowball to just assume that.
@@gitte8676 it can be that high but it can also be only a couple hundred times or even less so since we can’t say for sure you literally cannot make an argument on what the statement is talking about which is why the observable universe end is the best since we know for sure he would be at least this strong so no those higher ends can’t be used and it probably wouldn’t change the result even if they were as cell also has some higher ends I didn’t mention in the bideo
Cell may be perfect. But he lost to imperfect beings.
He lost to ssj2 gohan who was him
lol radiation doesn’t exist in the dragon ball universe so you can’t say garou’s radiation won’t work on cell.
One thing you didn’t mention was that Garou’s fighting style retains the ability to destroy somebody from the inside out. He says as much himself against Saitama, about tearing his organ’s from a durability negating attack. Even if Garou isn’t totally aware of Cell’s core, which is an issue Garou overcame against sage centipede, his martial arts will do the damage regardless.
The only moves that really do internal damage is the cross fang fist which isn’t too effective against opponents of similar strengths
@@mrperfectcell5079One question, why didn't you consider Frieza's feat of destroying a galaxy in the anime and Goku and Frieza being faster than Goku's spaceship, which was billions of FTL?
@@yeikelamores6085 the Galaxy shit is debateable and goku doing that has many ends to it that ultimately wouldn’t have upscaled cell
@@mrperfectcell5079 That isnt the only dura neg move garou has. Garou also has the extreme fa jin which is stated and even shown to basically be dura neg the only reason it didnt work on saitama is...well because its saitama.
@@mrperfectcell5079what about fajin, gamma ray burst which could destroy cell in atomic level. The only being that can survive cosmic garous abilities is buu. He can regenerate from atomic level but cell could only regenerate due to the core. So the video have wrong informations. Also garou can grow like broly using reactive evolution which helps him break through the limiter which is backed by the manga statement
If cell doesn't do Goku things and let Garou adapt to his speed he wins that simple
I wonder though, could cosmic garou copy all of gokus saiyan transformation since cosmic garou has knowledge of basically everything.
he would die if he copied goku transformations
A power scaling video. Well, did you know that Perfect Cell can't beat my omnipotent character. That's right. He loses.
You guys did a excellent job at explaining Perfect Cell and Cosmic Garou.
It truly helped to have a better understanding of these two awesome characters.
Great work :D
Do you even believe this shit god dont tell me you do because garou here is underrated as fuckkkkkk
cell wins cause bro is perfect, duhh.
Some guy that takes everything seriously: well actually 🤓
Nah I’d win
if he's so prefect, he'd win against Gohan too xD
@@quinks69nah he is perfect but he isn’t him while himhaun had the advantage of being him against perfect cell
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_Bro actually used "solar system = nebula" as an argument. Lmfao_
That’s literally what daizenshuu defines it as
@@mrperfectcell5079 _Doesn't matter because the solar system is shown containing a single star, and Namek is considered a rare exception of a planet with multiple stars. To claim the solar system contains innumerable stars is outright false._
@@VonKey. except dragon ball defines a solar system differently just because earth in db only orbits the one star doesn’t mean that’s all the solar system consists of cus you are assuming that solar systems in db are the same as they are in real life, which may not even be true as nebulas in real life don’t have innumerable stars they are just giant gas clouds so sb clearly defines objects or structures in space differently
When is namek considered a rare exception and even if it is that’s still assuming solar systems in db are the same as they are in real life
@@mrperfectcell5079 _What it would define differently would be nebulas in this situation, as nebulas are just clouds of stardust, and contain no planets, moons or alive stars. Whenever we see the solar system in DBZ what it resembles is a normal solar system, not a nebula. Best case scenario all of this just means that nebulas in DB = IRL solar systems, so we are back at square 1._
_Namek is said to have no night-time because it's solar system has 3 stars._
@@VonKey. you fail to realize neither the manga or the anime actually define the solar system or describe it in any way so you can’t even say it resembles our solar system and still makes a DB solar system being a collection of stars a valid interpretation (also I don’t think the stars have to be right next to each other the nebula in question could literally just be a collection of solar systems(our definition of em) they don’t have to be a binary system like namek)
We don’t know how many planets have no night time though so you are using headcanon
Opm fanboys crying so hard coz their verse is weaker than cell saga
@DenkaiExe Especially If They Reveal God As Being A 5D Or 6D Being, And If Saitama Is Able To Defeat Him, Then Yeah, It's Over For DBZ, DB GT And DBS, DB Heroes Would Be Debatable.
bruh garou solos cell
Cosmic garou solos cell saga. Debate me if you can prove that cell wins then I will agree🤣🤣
@@Scalerlord don't tell me garou feat is galaxy that will be fanboy wank
@@mrsketchysketch6806d is literally fodder in Dragon Ball, so you don't even leave out Z, leave out GT or super
Kinda sad you didn't bring up the anime scaling for cell the infinite universe and tried low balling cell to prove this is a close match . Because the moment you take look at there higher ends it's over not only higher end cell has possibly infinte speed and power to destroy everything he can shake the infinite universe with his ki and make all living things in the universe fear for thier life other gudies call cell Vs Gohan a clash to preserve the universe and you see how fast this can get very one sided
You can use the universal arguments and I did think about mentioning it but i don’t believe in them and I made that apparent in a previous video which is why I didn’t mention it
oh i understand you thanks for taking you're time and reading it you're a great scale and you errend my sub
@@mrperfectcell5079
Reverse Flash vs all Dbs
reverse flash wipes the floor with them
@@Am-fp7pn I'm know just it's have fun to see this
@@Am-fp7pn goku black would have a higher chance against him
This video needs more attention!
No it doesn't they Cherry picked the factual information pertaining Garou and made him extremely weak
@@whygiveup11 I'm just saying it'd a good video man :/
@@aminabhatti2462no this wouldn't be a good video this isn't a good matchup at all.
Garou is literally on a infinite horizon of power cell doesn't even come close to that.
They Cherry picked the factual information to Nerf this man severely
Dumb logic.
Perfect Cell is perfect, so he should win.
Majin Buu > Perfect Cell
Majin Buu is a monster.
Monster > Perfect Cell
Garou is a monster.
Garou > Perfect Cell
Garou = Majin Buu
This should be Majin Buu vs Garou instead, since they're both monsters.
Cell the guy who lets his guard down so characters can hit them with their best moves vs a guy who has experience ripping out regeneration cores and blitzing characters in seconds while unconscious before being massively amped by god
He only did that because he knew he was far above Vegeta and could take anything he can dish out
@@mrperfectcell5079 cell is the goat.... just imagine if cell was in the opm universe he would gain everyones ablities and perfect the abilities meaning if he got Saitama's dna he would be faster, stronger, more durable and grow in power faster than saitama.... he could literaly make saitama bleed and even if saitama made him bleed even a little it wont do much due to cell's regenration and cell with infinite stanima would demolish saitama.... and cell might have god's dna due to having cosmic gauro's dna idk
@@K.O-ANIMATIONS How would he get saitama's DNA? And even if that happens, it will be a stalemate. Because both would grow infinitely to the point they would shatter reality
@@Scalerlord Well I was saying if he was CREATED in opm universe... you see in dbz a drone gathered DNA from everyone and ENHANCED the DNA so if Cell was created in the opm universe he would be a enhanced version of Saitama
@@K.O-ANIMATIONS Cool idea. But in his verse, Saitama will still win this
But why Garou couldn't copy Cell's Power and Speed like he did with Saitama? Just because the fight will be boring? If Garou copies Cell he can mix that speed and strength with his own abilities (portals, black holes....) and create new attacks which Cell can't possibly counter. I really can't see Cell winning this fight, they might have similar stats at the beginning but Garou' ability to copy, to adapt and versatility are much greater than his opponent's. Basically this fight is Cell VS another Cell with dozens more abilities. Sure Cell can regrow a lost limb but so can Garou and if Cell becomes stronger so can Garou, on the top of that The Hero Hunter could simply sense Cell's nucleus like he did with Elder Centipede's one and aim for it
I am going to break down what would happen.
Garou: Mode Cell
Cell Fights for a bit before getting overwhelmed by Garou growing in power mid fight.
Keep in mind Garou can also regenerate, has higher stamina (dragon ball fights are oddly short in universe meaning the longest fights are like an hour long where as Garou has fought for hours while keeping his strength and wits), dragon ball martial arts is a lie and is honestly insulting since it barely exists so Garou is more skilled, also Garou can negate his defenses and hit his internal organs (or in this case regeneration core) directly making a single hit deadly since Cell won’t be able to heal mid fight.
Prof your are kinda bias in this fight though I love your vids.
finally, someone who knows what their talking about. 👍
The problem with your argument is that Cell has a much better regeneration and survivability thanks to piccolo and frieza, which is something Garou can't copy because it's a genetic thing. I can't see Garou surviving his head blown off or getting his heart destroyed.
When it comes to stamina, its a bit up in the air because of their competition. Garou has only fought people around his level with a few breaks in between and he's never really shown any stamina feats as Cosmic fear mode, while Cell fought Gohan who had a far wider gap of power compared to the gap between Garou and Saitama, Cell was practically getting his ass kicked pretty badly which was why he was so tired.
And speaking of Garou's copy mode technique, there's a pretty huge flaw that a lot of people don't point out in that Garou has never actually surpassed Saitama's power using it, he was just only able to copy the boosts in power and speed. If Cell gets a zenkai boost that'll effectively mean that Garou will no longer be able to have the advantage in physical stats again at that point. It'll just be a stalemate until Cell gets another zenkai boost over and over again until Cell learns all of Garou's techniques and just straight up beat him.
@@darryltorres7302Cell uses a lot of stamina when he regenerates. And there is no goku to throw him a senzu bean😅
@@darryltorres7302Garou never surpassed Saitama not because he was growing but because Saitama somehow grew twice as fast as the guy copying him and was aiming to surpass him.
Cell realistically was given so much extra stuff here like trying to say power levels are a useful measure of scaling power in any way shape or form. A human farmer had a power level of 5 meaning 50 regular humans would equal king piccolo in power meaning the average guy is really close to light speed by the logic of this video.
Cell lacks any technique that would realistically kill Garou whereas Garou has so many that would kill cell by negating durability, deflecting his own attacks to weaken him, make him cough up the androids by again just negating durability, potentially using radiation to stop his regeneration (we don’t really know how far his regeneration goes), or trapping him in a different dimension something we know goku can not teleport in or out of since it would be impossible to sense any power from there.
This is all assuming their stats are similar which they aren’t. Mr perfect cell had to use so so so many guidelines and weird scaling to make cell as fast he was here.
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Cosmic fear garou could literally copy everything from perfect cell.
It is fair they didn’t include this though.
This video is a joke if you're going to accurately measure how powerful Garou is don't Cherry pit the factual info.
Cosmic garo is way stronger than perfect cell could ever be but y'all downplayed this man so bad
How the hell did I cherry pick?
@@mrperfectcell5079you left out a bunch of important factual information that puts garou level of power literally on an infinite horizon.
You only went by the visual level of destruction while leaving out everything else.
@@mrperfectcell5079and you ain't even get the visual level of destruction correct.
In another panel you can see a bunch of galaxies in the back ground. Y'all sitting here dismissing that as if it don't exist.
Common Sense would tell you if you saw galaxies in the background then they took out a bunch of galaxies during the serious punch square explosion cuz it's galaxies all in that panel.
@@whygiveup11on the other hand,the same calc that shows the power of serious punch^2 and got mss rating,is also has another end where the explosion reaches the andromeda,and it got a galaxy level+,and in some calc,even multi galaxy,but they didn't say that,,so he could be around mss or multi galaxy level",cuz that would mean Cell has no advantages xd. But they mentioned all the ends of the speed,cuz they know Cell can overcome it anyway...what a biased fanboy channel
@@barnabastoma1075the factual information literally puts garo on a infinite horizon of power dude y'all sitting here only going by the visual level of destruction and dismissing everything else makes you people the true biased one's.
So miss me with the nonsense you're speaking y'all purposely leaving out a bunch of the factual information already makes this a false outcome.
The factual information always has priority over your opinion and what you think.
This is a complete Mitch match because cell is nowhere near the power level of cosmic garou
>anime only filler
All of the skills Garou does. Deflecting, pressure points, air slice etc. It is all pretty much done in OG db when One wasn't even born.
While the super fast blurry and power focus fights may not allow to show the skill level, most people Goku fights and trains under are gods that have been around longer than the milky way and know far more fighting styles that humans do.b
All talk and no feats for dbz characters lmao
Cell
Nah, Cell can easily beat Garou, it's debatable.
😳 wtf!? why didn't they mention the fact that cosmic garou's reversal of causality feat is much more powerful than whis' temporal do-over.
and, if weis is more powerful than beerus and goku, and cosmic garou is more powerful than whis, then cosmic garou is stronger and faster than goku, beerus, weis, and perfect cell. maybe next time they can do a side by side comparison of whis' and cosmic garou's feats.
they also neglected to mention the fact that cosmic garou's and saitama's punch2 possibly destroyed billions of galaxies, stars, nebulas, black holes, dark matter, etc. and that punch squared might have travelled beyond the cosmic horizon, as opposed to goku's and beerus' punch which only shook the macrocosm?
and, if punch squared did travel past the cosmic horizon, scientists can't use the inverse square law to measure the distance. i think scientist would measure the distance using redshift curve or something like that.
and . . . . goku can't breathe in space but saitama, cosmic garou and blast can. 🤯🤭😆
Ye cell star lvl vs garou galaxy lvl is close lolllll😂😂😂
Where are you getting star level cell?
@@mrperfectcell5079 I get is from vs wiki but if u want ok ok solar system lvl vs galaxy lvl it close 😂😂 lolllll
@@Nikkeenjoyer don’t get your scaling from vs wiki…. If you actually watched the video you’d know he isn’t just solar system level
@@mrperfectcell5079cell himself say him deadly move is solar system lvl HIMSELF SAY 😑
@@mrperfectcell5079and u say cell win WHAT he don't even have galaxy lvl feat but garou punch can make hole in universe and garou have all martial arts in universe
When Cell is regenarating he is losing a lot of stamina and Garo is also able to regenarate and Garo at the end of his battle whith Saitama gets much stronger he can also use portals to redirect the ki attacks on Cell. Thers ABSOLUTELY NO WAY Garo is losing this fight
No it’s stated his regen barely consumes any stamina and he is shown doing it effortlessly numerous times
He can use portals that way but he’s never actually done it in character
He does get stronger but only by a couple dozen times and it wouldn’t really change the gap
Didn’t he literally regenerate from a single cell, in a weaker form, *and grew stronger than his previous perfection afterwards?*
The reason Cell was losing so much stamina was because it was Ssj2 Gohan kicking his ass who's WAYYYY stronger than Garou. Yes, Garou can use portals but that still isn't going to do much against Cell's speed. Garou has regeneration but nowhere near Cell's level due to Frieza's survivability. Cell has more way to win than Garou, even Cell's zenkai boosts are better than Garou's own, since its an exponential growth unlike Garou's who only grows by a few times.
@@mrperfectcell5079Garou can negate durability to target the androids or cell’s regeneration nexus within. Garou grows in combat even when copying someone the reason he didn’t beat Saitama was because the caped baldy grew just that much faster.
Dragon ball fights are short and even in his fight against goku Cell was on tired and nearly unable to keep fighting and we know this fight wasn’t particularly long in universe. Garou can fight for hours to potentially days without slowing down. Even when injured, poisoned, tired, and surprised human Garou was still able to fight multiple strong enemies while defending a child then went on to fight Genos and Bang.
Also I think most folk here would agree your power level scaling is kinda weird since power levels do not make sense like even a little bit. This is why most people don’t use them it just makes things annoying.
@@mrperfectcell5079you are a complete idiot cell stands no chance against Cosmic fear Garo once he copied your abilities it's done the fights over his copy ability has no limits so this video is stupid I see why you're doing this just to make Dragon Ball fans happy so you can be bison escape from the truth cuz you don't want to tell the truth
Cell wins mid diff
Group would probably be able to copy cells speed even without Equalized energy
Cell stomps Cosmic Fear Garou, because Gatou is only Large Planetary not Solar-System teirs.
Bro Garou Actually make void in Universe 😭 Garou solo perfect cell💯 also he Have Every Energy in Universe 💯💯 Rip Perfect Cell But Garou Cant solo Cell Max!!
I do think that garou is multi solar system lvl but he can’t beat cell because cell is stupid fast, garou wouldn’t land a hit while cell could and he could easily adapt to garou technically and possibly copy his attacks
@@GokusoloAnime100 yeah cell max way to powerful for garuo
@@mohamedbinishaq3169 Cosmic garou copied saitama's strength and speed. He would do the same with cell and beat him. And cell can only copy someone if cell has that persons DNA. For example, cell could use kamehameha because he had gokus DNA not because he had copy ability. And cell is only solar system level
@@Scalerlord the gap between cell and garou speed is just too big the best feat for garou is calculated at like 300 times the speed of light mabye even a 1000 but cell scales to base goku who crossed the other world which is calculated like quintillions of times faster than light so cell easily speed blitzed and cell would easily scale to multi solar system lvl considering first form Frieza and even king vegeta has shown dwarf star lvl feats and his final form is more than 220x times stronger so mathematically you could easily get cell to multi solar system and cell would simply beat up garou so fast who couldn’t even react and wouldn’t even have to time to process or copy anything cell easily stomps
I do think that cell would win he could just adapt mid fight get Zenkai boosts mid fight if garou is able to get some hits in which don’t think so because cell speed is just too much
It coould be close most definently, but the reason why Pefect Cell would win is because of his abilities, hax, and power. To start off, Cell literally has a massive amount of regneration, scaling above any seen from one punch man. Lets take for example the fact that boros took around a few seconds to heal back a PORTION of his body. Cell took a few seconds to heal from a SINGLE CELL. Garou's gamma ray burst doesn't vaporize, if you want to try and use that. It can vaporitize possibly but thats if it's a weaker character, in which Cell literally has durability thats high balled to possibly be around solar+ if we use the feats of his kamehameha having the power to destroy a entire solar system with the correct translations, and even a full power blast my gohan and goku took around a few seconds to actually blast cell to oblivion. Theres also the potential we have to talk about. It depends on what Cell form we're using, but he almost automaticaly surpasses Garou's potential overall, as seen with his zenkai boost, and ability to absorb powers like how he had absorbed goku's ssj form which allowed him to evolve into a even stronger form. This iswhen zenkai boost are important because cell literally has the ability to recover instantenously alongside getting stronger to the point he could rival a ssj2 Gohan, which was one of the strongest characters in the verse at that time. And lets also include some of cells other abilities. With literally one touch, he can grab you and kill you, as seen when he shot a beam and was able to manipulate someones body and then just thrash them around, and this is not even including his kamehameha variations. From earth destroying to solar, it literally represents feats that garou wasn't even capable of being close to doing💀💀 And then lets do physcal just in case that is not enough proof. Literally stated by multiple characters at the time, cell is so fast that he is capable of keeping up with a goku in his super saiyan full power form, which is far far beyond light speed already. Cell also has insane durability, as seen that he really only took major damage from a evolved super saiyan form such as ssj2 gohan. Stamina doesn't really need an explanation because cell basically has an ulimited soucre of ki and stamina, as his android side allows him to do this, while garou has tons of stamina, it is not a infinite source. Garou still has abilities though like copy, but he simply can't keep up with cells regeneration and techniques. It would definently be close if you think about it, but as cell just absorbs more power from fighting garou, Cell would just ultimately become the winner, as his abilities are too strong for even a full power garou to even catch up too.
Prof Fiction proving he doesnt understand Saitamas power be like :
And you know Saitama's power?
@@OyinkansolaAgboola yeah immeasurable
Cell wins with mid difficulty to be honest.garou is galaxy level while cell is multigalactic
cosmic garou called himself "absolute evil" which makes him platonically "outerversal"!
also, based on an extrapolation of genos' third scenario (chapter 169), if cosmic garou and saitama performed the reversal of causality feat based on the state space of quantum mechanics theory, which has infinite dimensional hilbert space, then the one punch man verse is hypothetically dimensionally outerversal! 🤯
@@fitnessstuff915 🥲🥲🥲🤧💀♾️♾️♾️♾️♾️💔,capppp of the year 2023.what you said here is absolutely 💯💯 incredible garbage.even Majin Buu is evil incarnate so does that make him outerversal 🤣 aswell,cope harder
@@fitnessstuff915 the living universe in dragon ball has super dimensions which means being beyond the order of dimensions,and cell has multiple statementa of being able to destroy the mortal universe if you want to go there 😆🙃
@@uzookafor8721 wtf are you talking about??? don't you know your dragon ball??? when vegeta was speaking to the elder kai, he called kid buu "pure evil" which (guess what?) makes buu platonically outerversal! 🤯
@@uzookafor8721 🥱 yawn. every manga fan knows about dragon ball's super dimension as well as db scalers claims that super dimensions and other convoluted, possibly mistranslated statements make the db verse outerversal. and, everybody saw the broly movie. 😆
however, statements aren't feats. cosmic garou's and saitama's first punch ripped a giant hole in the universe. now that's a feat!!! 🤯
garou stomps