One *HUGE* thing that people always forget when dealing with ftl space travel feats is acceleration vs top speed. Can characters like Omni-Man for example travel at 10,000+ ftl etc... at the drop of a hat, or do they need a week of acceleration to build up that velocity? If they don't need to accelerate first to reach their max velocity, is what they're traveling at their top speed? One would assume so, but these things require clarification that very few series give.
Its at there top speed, mark in the comica went faster than the CoP ship that went from the virgo cluster to earth in just 12 minutes, the distance between virgo cluster and earrh is 65 million light years, and mark just got out of the ship and went faster than it, mftl easily
I always assumed they were using some sort of warping, because when they are shown fighting, they just aren't going that fast, and Red Rush, whilst fragile, was still massively faster in combat. Sometimes i think the authors might intend to indicate incredible power but they are not sure how to use that in the story - especially as then you wonder why the characters aren't always at that powerlevel. For example, say two characters hit "with the force of supernova" on page ten, and on page twenty they are getting serious, but are now on Earth and it's causing minor earthquakes. Well, the planet should have been destroyed and even the sun would be blasted away. But the author thought it would sound cool and didn't think it through. The audiences usually forgives it, but it does make powerscaling difficult, and sometimes kills immersion.
the only way this matters is if you wanna claim that thier combat speed is literally tens of thousands of times slower than their flight speed which is a BIG ASS claim
@@mrperfectcell5079 in no instance in the show or comics have they displayed any sort of combat/reaction speeds comparable to their flight speed. Case in point, Omniman literally destroys continents when flying that relativistic speeds in the invincible verse. It's a BIG ASS claim to say that their moving as fast as their literal & purposeful flight speed during combat lol it's a messy yet easy L on your part
@@mrperfectcell5079To elaborate on OP, their flight speed in space is different than their combat speed because space doesn't have friction which means you can accelrate as much as you want, so Nolan moving very fast in space is different from how fast he can move on earth's atmosphere, even in the show it was shown that he had to fly for quite a bit before he could start creating nuclear explsoions This is further backed up by the fact that if Nolan was 40,000 to 3 million times FTL he wouldn't need 2 other viltrumites and space racer to weaken the planet which they busted at the end of the series as flying through it at such a speed would literally evaporate it instantly lmao So yeah Nolan's MTFL+ feat is an outlier due to space having no friction same with Allan the alien and every other person moving through large distances in space A better speed feat would be escpaing the pull of a blackhole but that would still make him slower than monster Garou (I think)
@@mrperfectcell5079 Not a "Big ass" claim, but traveling for several days means you have several days to accelerate and several days to slow down. Traveling speed is irrelevant since F=ma and hence what matters here is acceleration, any mundane spacecraft can accelerate to any speed (if we ignore relativity wich ofc we are) given enough fuel and enough time to accelerate, this is just basic physics. Hence, what matters is acceleration, not speed, both combat speed and travel speed are limited by acceleration and because of physics travel speed will be many, many times higher than combat speed.
@@marcossidoruk8033 Not to mention quite a few characters in fiction use FTL based on warping space, meaning their momentum is not that great. The Enterprise of Star Trek can travel many times the speed of light, but impacts with other ships only caused local explosions rather than wiping out solar systems.
I think the 1.8 million times the speed of light is more due to the acceleration rather than combat speed. I just assumed omni man just constantly accelerates in space without any resistance. Its like a rocket with near infinite fuel in the vacuum of space.
5:01 Sage also has calc’s that put his base AP at about 1/2 of Orochi’s core pulling feat which is a part of Orochi’s ultimate move so Sage is just generally stronger, only lagging behind Orochi due to not possessing an energy based ultimate move. Sage also has pretty insane speed implications from reaching his core that Garou thrown before a charging Garou could reach it. The same Garou that blitzed Platinum Sperm which has been calc’d anywhere from 40-180x the speed of light. Far higher than any of Orochi’s speed feats.
i think invincible might be able to put up a good fight against spiral garou but will lose cuz monster garou will adapt faster and has speed scaling relative-to above omni man. (maybe below-relative I might just be high balling:/)
Can't understand how literally anyone can think this Garou victim can take on mainline Supes. Even end-of-comics Mark with the most generous scaling is getting his lunch money taken.
@@drip2575 Any of the Supermans (it's a proper noun so "mans" is grammatically correct) from Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis, New52 and Rebirth universe (I think they added or were planning on adding a new one). They're basically DC's version of universe 616 in Marvel.
@@drip2575 Supes is short for Superman. Some Invincible fans, including the creator of the franchise, think Mark could beat Superman. My point is, if Mark can't even beat Garou, how does he remotely stand a chance against any of the mainline Supermans (who are some of the strongest versions)?
@@MiguelTheAnomaly85 Claim that Invincible at that point in time scales to Omni Man is false. He is barely on an average viltrumite level, they needed 3 of those to deal with Nolan and most likely still would've lost if he didn't have his guard down after thinking all of them were dealt with. Omni Man is one of the strongest viltrumites in the series, bested only by Thragg and end of story Mark. Season 2 Mark simply isn't on that level. Also travel speed isn't combat speed, especially in space where someone who can create their own leverage could accelerate infinitely
6:24 A massive problem with this is how in invincible, if you hit someone much stronger than you, you damage yourself, which would be a massive problem for Mark even if he’s faster than Perfect Fist Garou.
wait if we are using cosmic garou why didn't we use Emperor Mark? Viltrumites get stronger as they age and even before he was emperor he was capable of fighting one of the strongest if not the strongest being in universe which is Thragg. So after 500 years since he's the stronger in his universe wouldn't be upscaled by all the other existing characters?
Invincible vs OPM acceleration = OPM Wins, while Invincible characters need days for MFTL the OPM characters can do that in miliseconds also Combat Speed goes in favor of Garou too and lets not even start with anything higher than spiral "Awakened" garou because then he would just toy around with mark or just destroy him in Seconds
We have no feats for 500 year old Mark but considering that Mark SPOILERS is able to survive the sun when he isn't even 500 years old, I think he will be pretty durable by that time
@@punssuns2012 That Mark could fight Saitama and keep up with him, I honestly think it could go either way dude. If Mark wins, it would take a herculean effort and a miracle or two, but it's possible (well it actually depends on how you calculate the Serious Punch squared feat and if it destroyed millions of stars or not). If it destroyed millions of stars, Mark has zero chance. If it didn't, Mark has a very similar level of power and speed to what has been shown capable by Saitama and Cosmic Fear Garou at this point (if not above them). At the very least, it would take Cosmic Fear Garou to win the fight and no other form of Garou could do it.
@@Kito-Anime-Arena 500 year old mark is practically featless, what we do know is that the oldest and strongest viltrimites are planetary so I can't imagine mark at 500 being anything above solar system level (high-balling the shit out of it) and his speed feats are incomparable to garous in cosmic considering he has teleportation and even wothout that millions of times faster then light based on Jupiter calc plus hax like radiation poisoning (mark likely immune) and the fact that mark can't survive in space for more then 2 weeks without breathing, all garou has to do is lock him up with use of silencing manipulation
You down playing omni mam the calculation for omni man stopping a meteor the size of Texas is moon level or being cable of of destroy the moon twice. Over
ok great video but i doubt that Garo could adapt to Invinsible movements. I mean you said that monster Garo is like couple dozens of times FTL while Invincible is 1.8 million times FTL.
@@simeonmitov6023 it’s clearly not the case given that given that if he was able to fight at light speed. Most of The fights in invincible that take place on planets would literally be destroyed given how out of hand and destructive they are it’s travel speed not combat they are not relative and even if they were Garou’s whole thing was what is the coffee all energies in the universe ,techniques ,power level, physicality, as well as overall stats Match that up with the fact that you can create portals he will inevitably generate more speed
@@mattmetawolf8634 I am not talking about Cosmic Fear Garo neither in the video he talks about him. There are implications from data books that characters reaction speed and likely there ablity react to attacks and responde to theme whit their own movement speed actually do scale to there flying speed. I find it consistent because there are showings ot them reacting to light and their space ships which travel far faster thean light. What you say makes sense, but i dont think they pay that much attention to how the physics in the Invisible series work.
@@simeonmitov6023they don’t scale to their travel speed not because they can’t react to it, but because they simply can’t accelerate to it in time, which simply means it won’t matter in an actual fight assuming you aren’t giving one of them some sort of prep time for some reasom
well omni man and mark can't destroy a planet with a punch, neither garou but in his full monster form vs saitama he enters the center of earth, so that form could probably win, and Also the normal monster form.
Yeah it's annoying but for me he lost all credibility when he gave dodging those lasers as an example of a lightspeed feat it's like he didn't even watch the clip he played of him strafing at like 3mph
Also marks travel speed is equal to his reaction speed and your forgetting viltrumites smart atoms make them insanely durable and can even fight for days with their intestines spilling out of their body the durability and endurance easily goes to mark and it’s not close
Think Mark! He's the hero hunter you can't defeat him! 🦖
😂😂😂
He can if it's cosmic fear garou
@@safeday150what….no
@@safeday150all garou needs is Awakened version
@@KAZ_Editz1 I was talking about if he's fighting prime mark if it's only cartoon mark the. You're right
One *HUGE* thing that people always forget when dealing with ftl space travel feats is acceleration vs top speed. Can characters like Omni-Man for example travel at 10,000+ ftl etc... at the drop of a hat, or do they need a week of acceleration to build up that velocity? If they don't need to accelerate first to reach their max velocity, is what they're traveling at their top speed? One would assume so, but these things require clarification that very few series give.
Its at there top speed, mark in the comica went faster than the CoP ship that went from the virgo cluster to earth in just 12 minutes, the distance between virgo cluster and earrh is 65 million light years, and mark just got out of the ship and went faster than it, mftl easily
@@TraxMaster_99because he would’ve been travelling at that speed anyway, he was already at the same speed as the ship if he got off it
@@TraxMaster_99still isn't throwing punches that fast
I always assumed they were using some sort of warping, because when they are shown fighting, they just aren't going that fast, and Red Rush, whilst fragile, was still massively faster in combat.
Sometimes i think the authors might intend to indicate incredible power but they are not sure how to use that in the story - especially as then you wonder why the characters aren't always at that powerlevel.
For example, say two characters hit "with the force of supernova" on page ten, and on page twenty they are getting serious, but are now on Earth and it's causing minor earthquakes. Well, the planet should have been destroyed and even the sun would be blasted away. But the author thought it would sound cool and didn't think it through.
The audiences usually forgives it, but it does make powerscaling difficult, and sometimes kills immersion.
@@BrettCaton THANK YOU
Remember kids, flight speed *≠* combat speed
the only way this matters is if you wanna claim that thier combat speed is literally tens of thousands of times slower than their flight speed which is a BIG ASS claim
@@mrperfectcell5079 in no instance in the show or comics have they displayed any sort of combat/reaction speeds comparable to their flight speed.
Case in point, Omniman literally destroys continents when flying that relativistic speeds in the invincible verse.
It's a BIG ASS claim to say that their moving as fast as their literal & purposeful flight speed during combat lol it's a messy yet easy L on your part
@@mrperfectcell5079To elaborate on OP, their flight speed in space is different than their combat speed because space doesn't have friction which means you can accelrate as much as you want, so Nolan moving very fast in space is different from how fast he can move on earth's atmosphere, even in the show it was shown that he had to fly for quite a bit before he could start creating nuclear explsoions
This is further backed up by the fact that if Nolan was 40,000 to 3 million times FTL he wouldn't need 2 other viltrumites and space racer to weaken the planet which they busted at the end of the series as flying through it at such a speed would literally evaporate it instantly lmao
So yeah Nolan's MTFL+ feat is an outlier due to space having no friction same with Allan the alien and every other person moving through large distances in space
A better speed feat would be escpaing the pull of a blackhole but that would still make him slower than monster Garou (I think)
@@mrperfectcell5079 Not a "Big ass" claim, but traveling for several days means you have several days to accelerate and several days to slow down.
Traveling speed is irrelevant since F=ma and hence what matters here is acceleration, any mundane spacecraft can accelerate to any speed (if we ignore relativity wich ofc we are) given enough fuel and enough time to accelerate, this is just basic physics.
Hence, what matters is acceleration, not speed, both combat speed and travel speed are limited by acceleration and because of physics travel speed will be many, many times higher than combat speed.
@@marcossidoruk8033 Not to mention quite a few characters in fiction use FTL based on warping space, meaning their momentum is not that great. The Enterprise of Star Trek can travel many times the speed of light, but impacts with other ships only caused local explosions rather than wiping out solar systems.
Garou would eventually adapt and become stronger.
I think the 1.8 million times the speed of light is more due to the acceleration rather than combat speed. I just assumed omni man just constantly accelerates in space without any resistance. Its like a rocket with near infinite fuel in the vacuum of space.
5:01
Sage also has calc’s that put his base AP at about 1/2 of Orochi’s core pulling feat which is a part of Orochi’s ultimate move so Sage is just generally stronger, only lagging behind Orochi due to not possessing an energy based ultimate move. Sage also has pretty insane speed implications from reaching his core that Garou thrown before a charging Garou could reach it. The same Garou that blitzed Platinum Sperm which has been calc’d anywhere from 40-180x the speed of light. Far higher than any of Orochi’s speed feats.
i think invincible might be able to put up a good fight against spiral garou but will lose cuz monster garou will adapt faster and has speed scaling relative-to above omni man. (maybe below-relative I might just be high balling:/)
Above Omni Man? Yeah no, only Cosmic Fear Mode Garou has speed at that range.
@@darryltorres7302 Combat speed wise spiral garou surpasses omni man
@@myduckisonqauck7227 Omni man is MFTL+ Idk what you're smoking
@@TojiBackWithTheMilk Yeah with travel speed NOT combat speed
@@myduckisonqauck7227 You're wrong. Thragg reacts to Omni-Man travel speed and Omni-Man later fights with Thragg on the equal grounds speed.
Can't understand how literally anyone can think this Garou victim can take on mainline Supes. Even end-of-comics Mark with the most generous scaling is getting his lunch money taken.
Who are the mainline supes
@@drip2575 Any of the Supermans (it's a proper noun so "mans" is grammatically correct) from Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis, New52 and Rebirth universe (I think they added or were planning on adding a new one). They're basically DC's version of universe 616 in Marvel.
@@liamdealmeida9914 what are we talking about dc opm or both ?
@@drip2575 Supes is short for Superman. Some Invincible fans, including the creator of the franchise, think Mark could beat Superman.
My point is, if Mark can't even beat Garou, how does he remotely stand a chance against any of the mainline Supermans (who are some of the strongest versions)?
@@liamdealmeida9914 do you mean c or b tier hero’s or s tier
Garou easily cooks him even without Cosmic Fear
Blud didn't pay attention to the video 😂
@@MiguelTheAnomaly85The video is wrong
@@Casual-Yohoho-Enjoyer Explain
@@MiguelTheAnomaly85 Claim that Invincible at that point in time scales to Omni Man is false. He is barely on an average viltrumite level, they needed 3 of those to deal with Nolan and most likely still would've lost if he didn't have his guard down after thinking all of them were dealt with. Omni Man is one of the strongest viltrumites in the series, bested only by Thragg and end of story Mark. Season 2 Mark simply isn't on that level. Also travel speed isn't combat speed, especially in space where someone who can create their own leverage could accelerate infinitely
Can Garou Hunt Albert Wesker from Resident Evil.
Mark at this time is multi continental-moon level
No he ain't lmao
Multicontinental makes sense
@@Asura_ZH Yes he is.. just monster garou would be able to break the moon.
And Garou is universe level lol.
6:24 A massive problem with this is how in invincible, if you hit someone much stronger than you, you damage yourself, which would be a massive problem for Mark even if he’s faster than Perfect Fist Garou.
Yea I forgot ABT that but that proves that mark won't win
Garou hunts him lol
one correction
platinum S blitzed flashy flash because falshy flash was heavily nerfed
@@JovyLim-hg3suliterally repeating what I said?
Woooo
Think goji chronic think 😂😂😂😂
Day one of asking for ranking my hero academia characters into different classes in OPM
The verse gets soloed by a dragon level monster 😭🙏
@@Garf71 Nuh uh
@@Mr.Negative2004 nah lil bro you don't get to say "nuh uh" mha just doesn't scale to opm
All the nomus are low-mid demon level
Deku scales to like country level which would get him to mid to low level S class
Garou would win hands down
wait if we are using cosmic garou why didn't we use Emperor Mark? Viltrumites get stronger as they age and even before he was emperor he was capable of fighting one of the strongest if not the strongest being in universe which is Thragg. So after 500 years since he's the stronger in his universe wouldn't be upscaled by all the other existing characters?
We aren’t using cosmic garou I said that at the beginning of the video
@@mrperfectcell5079 Really? Well i turned my headphones on pass that part so i guess i didn't hear. My bad. Great video though.
@@jtown30 Bruh💀He didn't even mention a feat from cosmic garou though
Day one of asking to class rank invincible characters in OPM
Invincible vs OPM acceleration = OPM Wins, while Invincible characters need days for MFTL the OPM characters can do that in miliseconds also Combat Speed goes in favor of Garou too and lets not even start with anything higher than spiral "Awakened" garou because then he would just toy around with mark or just destroy him in Seconds
Nice watch.
Okay. Read the comics and do 500 year old Mark vs Cosmic Fear Garou. That's a genuinely good fight
We have no feats for 500 year old Mark but considering that Mark
SPOILERS
is able to survive the sun when he isn't even 500 years old, I think he will be pretty durable by that time
@@therestinghornet6906 I think Mark wins the fight with extremely high difficulty
Cosmic slams@@Kito-Anime-Arena
@@punssuns2012 That Mark could fight Saitama and keep up with him, I honestly think it could go either way dude. If Mark wins, it would take a herculean effort and a miracle or two, but it's possible (well it actually depends on how you calculate the Serious Punch squared feat and if it destroyed millions of stars or not). If it destroyed millions of stars, Mark has zero chance. If it didn't, Mark has a very similar level of power and speed to what has been shown capable by Saitama and Cosmic Fear Garou at this point (if not above them). At the very least, it would take Cosmic Fear Garou to win the fight and no other form of Garou could do it.
@@Kito-Anime-Arena 500 year old mark is practically featless, what we do know is that the oldest and strongest viltrimites are planetary so I can't imagine mark at 500 being anything above solar system level (high-balling the shit out of it) and his speed feats are incomparable to garous in cosmic considering he has teleportation and even wothout that millions of times faster then light based on Jupiter calc plus hax like radiation poisoning (mark likely immune) and the fact that mark can't survive in space for more then 2 weeks without breathing, all garou has to do is lock him up with use of silencing manipulation
I cringe every time I see some of my old calcs in these kind of videos, they're so bad lol
Edit: The video rocks, I mean my calcs are bad
You down playing omni mam the calculation for omni man stopping a meteor the size of Texas is moon level or being cable of of destroy the moon twice. Over
Calcs vary on that feat and it wouldn’t change the end result
ok great video but i doubt that Garo could adapt to Invinsible movements.
I mean you said that monster Garo is like couple dozens of times FTL while Invincible is 1.8 million times FTL.
That’s travel speed not combat speed
@@mattmetawolf8634 no he said in the video that there travel speed is the same as there combat and reaction speed
@@simeonmitov6023 it’s clearly not the case given that given that if he was able to fight at light speed. Most of The fights in invincible that take place on planets would literally be destroyed given how out of hand and destructive they are it’s travel speed not combat they are not relative and even if they were Garou’s whole thing was what is the coffee all energies in the universe ,techniques ,power level, physicality, as well as overall stats Match that up with the fact that you can create portals he will inevitably generate more speed
@@mattmetawolf8634 I am not talking about Cosmic Fear Garo neither in the video he talks about him.
There are implications from data books that characters reaction speed and likely there ablity react to attacks and responde to theme whit their own movement speed actually do scale to there flying speed.
I find it consistent because there are showings ot them reacting to light and their space ships which travel far faster thean light.
What you say makes sense, but i dont think they pay that much attention to how the physics in the Invisible series work.
@@simeonmitov6023they don’t scale to their travel speed not because they can’t react to it, but because they simply can’t accelerate to it in time, which simply means it won’t matter in an actual fight assuming you aren’t giving one of them some sort of prep time for some reasom
well omni man and mark can't destroy a planet with a punch, neither garou but in his full monster form vs saitama he enters the center of earth, so that form could probably win, and Also the normal monster form.
Garou dominates
2:49 When will people realize that travel speed especially in a vacuum like space is different than combat speed and cannot be used to scale speed?
Yeah it's annoying but for me he lost all credibility when he gave dodging those lasers as an example of a lightspeed feat it's like he didn't even watch the clip he played of him strafing at like 3mph
I also see this for homelander as well as people call homelander mach 22, but in combat he's getting tagged by billy and solider boy
@@thefarmer6541 Yea homelander flies at mach 22 but flying/running is different than throwing punches
100%
Why are you doing manga vs show and not manga vs comics though
The show seemed more fitting considering what it’s currently diving into, plus I haven’t read the comics
huh, good scaling
Pls do monster garou vs SO6P Naruto !!
Eh I’d probably go for naruto, but cosmic garou solos the verse
Ww
Comic Invincible is underrated in terms of power I think he could beat Cosmic Garou via Omnipotus
Omnipotus’s thing is kind of weird and definitely more of a difficult highball.
@@myusername3689wrong cosmic Garou negs…. He can copy any ability as well as physical strength
@@ezekielguy402 he didn’t even explicitly say that Garou loses and you could say that about any character fighting Garou
@@myusername3689 yeah I guess that’s true
Also marks travel speed is equal to his reaction speed and your forgetting viltrumites smart atoms make them insanely durable and can even fight for days with their intestines spilling out of their body the durability and endurance easily goes to mark and it’s not close
nuh uh
Mark creampies wtf is this
Nuh uh
Mark got his azz kicked by the school bully💀 he was getting jumped by the Mauler twins in the show
he get slammed by monster garou 1st form
aajaja americanos creen que el mundo de invencible es mas poderos que el de one punch man ajajajaja
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