LATEST Tesla Parking Vision improved BUT Autopilot can get taken away. Holiday Software Update lands
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2023
- Is this at last the latest Tesla Software update we’ve been waiting for which will actually allow self parking and a proper alternative to parking sensors? It’s been a long time coming but we put it to the test!!
This is the latest December 2023 Christmas Holiday update and includes some other features too.
What do you think about removing your FSD / Autopilot functionality for A WEEK…?
Wow some big changes. What do YOU think?
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Another great video. Functionally this new park assist is worse than my 2012 nissan note.
Positives
- it loads instantly on starting the car, unlike the previous version
- it doesn't beep like the world is ending, like the pervious version
- the road marking detection is genuinely useful
- it's technically clever, assuming it's using the occupancy network as it can render things it can't see.. and it's able to render things to a surprisingly high resolution - not that I care about that when parking.
negatives
- it fails to engage most of the time when not in a traditional car park. No idea why.
- It's wildly inaccurate - it will still render things over the top of my car, which it thinks I've bonded with at the molecular level...
- the audible alerts aren't played back from relevant speakers (back left, for example if I'm close to something on the back left)
- it hallucinates as much as the prior version, seeing wheely bins over my driveway...
- doesn't work if there's sun glaring in to a camera, off the road, or both
Overall, I still think the cameras mapped to a 360 degree view, as per every other car, would be more useful than what we have now. The grey on white/black just looks like a world war 2 era radar, and can be more confusing than anything, and the audible alerting means i HAVE to keep looking at the display and not my surroundings. awful.
This update should have given us something genuinely useful, for example
- wipers that actually wipe the screen when its raining
- indicators that a) work when pressed 100% of the time, and b) don't forget to cancel on most junctions
- re-enabled the disabled EAP features that have now been absent for the best part of 18 months
That definitely looks promising,nice one chaps,Happy Christmas RSEV 👍😉💪
Well the park assist is better than the previous useless version but I'm struggling to see why its better than a decent 360°C camera view.
Very underwhelming why no 360 view, why no improvement to auto lights why no improvement to auto wipers, blind spot warning has been on cars for years, I could plan trips and send them to my nav system easier with a Tom Tom 12 years ago, and the autopilot changes have been imposed on Tesla by legislation, I have to admit that after 3 years and over 80 thousand miles I may be looking elsewhere when changing, in my opinion they are making the cars worse!
There's no front bumper camera, so they can't do it.
@heartagramm1 Not true. My 3 series didn't have a front camera, but the 360 birds' eye view worked like a charm. Tesla system is so poor compared to it.
It's one of the features I miss most from my previous Audi, that and the OBDeleven hacks 😉
You're kind to say it's better than the previous version but I will agree yes but only so slightly. In my opinion it still sucks. 360 degree camera is without question what is needed here. my 2020 silverado has it, I love it, and I am disappointed with my 23 M3LR in that regard. what a joke.
Great video. Many thanks. You should do more of these.
Looks like a great update and thanks for being brave with the demo! Merry Christmas to all at RSEV!
I put it to the test yesterday in my very busy work carpark, very rainy so mirrors were limited but the new top down view made it a breeze!
A nice holiday update. Richard had better watch out that Serg doesn’t steal his presenter’s crown. 😂 Happy Christmas to the RSEV crew.
Nice one Gintz, [not sure if I spelt it correctly] Great Edit too. keep it up!
great testing as always. Thanks and Happy new year
Thanks Gints and Serge, good video.
Please, could i have any information about the little screen in the air vent gap in front of the stearing wheel?
Yes please would love to know if this is a UK model Y thing or third party…
Thank you for this info. Also that small aftermarket display looks really neat. I want one ☺
Where do you get this display??
Interesting video guys, and nice test with the tape on the cameras. Good ideas. Thanks
What is that small screen inside the air vent, behind the wheel?
It's a third party air vent speedometer that the previous owner fitted. There are a few suppliers online that sell them.
What is the additional display which shows the speed directly in front of the steering wheel?
I really appreciate this, will be installing it later today, can't wait.
Great video & what is on the dashboard as that looks different to the model Y i did a test drive at tesla?
Tens of thousands of hours of engineering effort, latest technology (in house at Tesla), and years of effort…and, they’ve created a parking system that is less accurate than USS, and always will be (if vision only was ever good enough, people wouldn’t have used USS in the first place). Amazing how much ego stunts actual progress.
You are greatly misinformed. USS was all we had in the past because computer vision algorithms were in their infancy, and compute power on vehicles was limited. Eventually every car will just rely on vision rather than USS as it can be many times more accurate.
Another way to think of it is USS is a good as it will ever get, whereas with vision we are only about 70% of the way though the implementation curve.
Vision is only worse then USS because the software is not ready. Benefits of Vision is that it can get better overtime which it has. Eventually will be better than USS.
It would be nice if they would offer you the possibility of choosing a desired state of charge at arrival for the trip planner.
I'm sure they could add that in a software update.
It processes the video feeds and maps the surroundings including parking bays and lines in real time. It's incredible as a first release how well it works. Still needs a front bumper camera though.
Anyway interesting video thanks guys!
They could just use the video feed rather than processing it and show that. As it is, we just have a complete mess of white clouds and the occasional outline of 'something' that may or may not be there. Moving away from tried and tested systems is all well and good if they improve them and benefit the consumer. As it is, it's just a mess.
Cars have had a good birds eye camera for years now and Tesla's version is poor considering how good the other software is (lights and wipers excluded).
They need a front bumper sensor or camera. No amount of software can overcome this. They can map out as you drive yes, but if you stop and the start again and something is low down or say a child walks in front of you close by, it will not be able to pick it up, how could it 🤷.
Using cameras so high in the windscreen for front parking was a huge oversight. Using them in conjunction with sensors was fine as it covers objects beneath line of sight.
@@mps9994 Yeap its garbage. Also no more distance read out. Ill need to see if I can turn off the blobs and get the distance to show again.
The five strikes on auto-pilot is totally unacceptable.
Nice update. Always feel most comfortable using mirrors but nice extra to have.
Elon plans to remove the rear view mirrors to improve aerodynamics. Some Cybertruck prototypes didn’t have them. This update is a step in that direction. Government regulatory approval still a big hurdle and a long way off.
@@drdrew3that sounds extremely dumb
A modern car should not have this missing features.
What is that small screen showing in front of the steering wheel @ 10:00?
Cheers lads
Good morning. Could someone please tell me the spec of the Model X Standard Range, there is a lot of conflicting information on-line, specifically the 0-60 of 4.6 sec seems fast for a 333bhp car when the Long Range has a 0-60 of 4.4 and power output of 423bhp. Does the standard range actually have a restricted 100kwh battery restricted to 75KWh and and can it be unlocked?
No side load on mounts. They were all the same load direction, straight down from camera. Test it by trying putting side load. Or pull mounts at an angle
Evening guys
Evening mate
What an improvement
Have you tried the speed camera alerts? They don’t work on my 2022 M3 with USS, here in the UK.
Yes, so far from what we've seen they are displayed correctly on the cars we drive but we have seen reports where they are missing.
Blind spot camera doesn’t work on standard autopilot on
My M3 was built in Shanghai in Feb 2023 and it still has parking sensors. I only got some features in this upgrade to parking visualisation. I have improved visualisation of surrounding cars, but not walls or doorways. I also have the turning lines showing where the car will go with the steering wheel turned. I also still have the distance to surrounding objects showing in cms.
Also, on your dash in the space where the air vents are, there was a screen showing a number (often it said 80) and there was a red light to the right of the number. I've never seen this before - what is this screen? Thank you.
Are you sure you didn't buy an inventory car that was actually built in 2022? Tesla Shanghai stopped fitting the USS on the cars in October 2022.
The small screen in the dash is a third party add on that the previous owner fitted in the car. You can find them online but we might also have them at RSEV soon with fitting at the showroom only though.
@@powersurge6878 No it's definitely a new 2023-built car, not inventory. I ordered it in 2022 and had to wait five months for the car to be built in February 2023 and shipped, arriving in Australia in March 2023.
I was curious about the screen, but I wouldn't ever get one because in northern Australia we rely on our air-con too much to allow anything to potentially interfere with the flow of the air-con.
@@mspalmboy oh ok, interesting that they were still shipping cars with parking sensors in Australia at the beginning of 2023 and for Europe they stopped months before.
Just got one of those speedometer displays and will try it out. It's small so I don't think it will interfere with the air flow but we'll see.
Love how the two guys rationalise bad driving with Autopilot. Good move Tesla.
I'm curious to hear how did we do that? Did we tell anyone how to drive it? It was a demonstration and we do like to try it out in different ways to see how it performs.
Does the new park assist actually park for you or is it just an on screen guide ?
It parks for you if you bought FSD. Otherwise it’s just an improved visualization
Would anyone have info on the aftermarket speedometer in the air vent ?
search for air vent slimline speedometer. The one in the video is the Gen 1 device. There's a Gen 2 version now. About £50.
@@stephen-boddy thanks a lot
Plaid X and the update is ace - different as our vision aspect is in the binnacle
Ah ok, that's cool. How are you finding it so far with the new parking assist?
Why don't you have the side cameras?
It was probably hidden (press the arrow and they come up)
I've seen comments about the cameras getting dirty and it doesn't work? Is that right?
We didn't have time to check that but we'll do it on the next video. Very likely that if they are very dirty they wouldn't work properly.
There was a recent recall about autopilot changes (Dec 2023), but NO ONE has addressed exactly what these changes are in the real world. I have turned off auto update until somebody posts what the REAL REPERCUSSIONS are. Will you please let us know?
We'll probably do a whole video dedicated to that.
Did the Model Y have an aftermarket speedometer fitted in front of the steering wheel?
Yes, I saw that too, around 5m37sec in to the video...
Yes it did. Small display which is not very bulky like others. Not sure where the previous owner bought it from but there are a few suppliers out there.
@@RSEV You are on holiday, you shouldn't be watching this!
what is it and who makes it @RSEV THANKS!
I think that Richard has made the claim about the car remembering its location in the past but I do not recall hearing that anywhere else (the videos where he tested the parking assistance features on BMW and Tesla and I think Kia/Hyundai).
Yes, that's what we thought happens but seeing this now it's just super fast scanning/rendering which is impressive abut at the same time makes you think the older cars might not have enough processing power to run this. I guess we'll see in the future
@@howardj602 but it can not remember where speed bumps are? I think you may be overestimating its capabilities. Tracking the location and providing that data back to the manufacturer is one thing - reacting on the data as to a perferred parking space is another
@@howardj602 you just said potential here - and lots of things have potential but until they become a functional part of reality it is all function and cales claims.
I would be happy if it could do what the cultists claim but when independent people try to replicate the same no intervention drives - it fails miserably. I would like to see it do the coast to coast drive with only intervention for fueling up. Or perform beyond a basic level system.
@@howardj602 potential vs capability. I would love it if they can make it happen but Tesla (in particular) over promises and underdelivers on almost every front.
I do not see HW4 being the answer... nor V12.
Tesla don’t want to pay royalties to Nissan that have patented the 360 view even if they did it wouldn’t self park. It’s really good picking up lines on the ground for parking bays
The guy understanding looks like my cousin Bonnie ❤
From my understanding, it's not the Autopilot per se that's banned for a week, if you act recklessly, it is the Autosteer that is disabled. Autopilot is made of the Traffic-Aware Cruise Control and Autosteer. The TACC will still be available during the week of penalty (pull once). Maybe this way, those who don't keep their eyes on the road and hands on the wheel learn something.
It's a great approach taken by Tesla to try to fix stupid, especially by increasing the importance of the cabin camera. I give them props for this.
If you need to keep your hand on the wheel, it isn't self driving.
@@TroySavaryit’s for safety numbnuts. It’ll still steer for you
good video guys thanks - I am so annoyed about the autopilot - it has also become so much more sensitive and even when you hold the steering wheel it starts warning you and the only way to stop it is oversteer to disengage or wiggle the wheel violently - it is a huge step backwards - @elon should test this I am certain he would be annoyed with this.
agreed
Very nice parking tests. Having no ultrasonic sensors, I'm looking forward to this update.
Has anyone worked out how/if you can turn down the custom lock sounds - tried it earlier and it was comically loud 😂
Mine is not louder than the horn
You can always use a custom sound, and set the maximum amplitude / volume of the WAV-PCM file with any kind of sound editor.
I thought the same, my Transformers Transform sound made the neighbours look out the window 😄
How have you got this? Im still not getting this and I’m in the uk. What am i doing wrong?
They roll it out slowly. Just have to wait till it’s your turn per sae
We left it connected to WiFi all night and in the morning it was downloaded.
Where's Rich ? He hasn't finished for Christmas already has he or is he being a good Elf & helping Santa deliver some Tesla's😂
The banning is if you miss the warnings and end up with the car effectively stopping not just if it nags you five times
Loving the High Fidelity Park Assist on my '23 M3 and the wealth of others from this holiday update. However, I noticed one omission that was there prior to the update, and that is the 2D obstacle outline. I'm referring to the one that would work all the way up to like 17 or 18 mph and would outline curbs, car outlines next to you in slow moving traffic, obstacles, etc.
Now as soon as the speedo hits 4 mph, the new sweet looking 3D view switches off with no "visual" obstacle detection past that 4 mph whatsoever. It was extremely helpful for me personally, especially when I was entering and exiting certain locations in my area, and not quite being able to see (with my two eyes) exactly where the curb is in relation to my wheels. I know....I know....I should be a better driver, but it was a luxury I grew accustomed to.
I hope they find some way to bring it back (but better of course 😉) with a sooner rather than later future update. Another nice addition for this High Fidelity Park Assist would be for it to be allowed to function at the very least up to 10mph. 🤞🤞
Unless you bought FSD the visualizations were just Beta. With some updates you those Beta settings get toggled off. Check your settings and toggle them back on
@@drdrew3 Appreciate the reply. I do remember there being an option under the “Autopilot” settings called “Full Self Driving Visualization Preview”. However, it seems that option is no longer there, sadly. No clue when that got removed. It does still show the settings path when you search for it in the Manual though lol. Maybe they’ll add that option back at a later time, hopefully.
Well Park Assist shouldn't work if all cameras are blocked. That is how the Park Assist works is visual. Without a front bumper camera, it will never work with smaller objects in front of the vehicle. Just the same as before the update.
I like the 3D view when parking but have to get used to it because there are no count down numbers anymore, just the sudden STOP notification. Not sure I will like that, but we will see.
Yes, we know how it works. What we wanted to see is if it remember the surroundings that it scanned which it doesn't. True about the front bumper camera though. Unless they somehow workout a way of rendering what is in front of the car or offer a retrofit.
Still no autopark or summon. Whats going on???
Its Tesla, they lost the Software race imo, im not impressed what they been doing last 2 years.
They should be like 5 years ahead but ID.7 is like way ahead of some festures.
@@peternystrom921 volkswagen id.7?
What’s good about it?
@@peternystrom921ikr elon lied people died
I wish you would duplicate some of the previous tests. It's really hard to do an apples to apples comparison.
Not good, sometimes the autopilot does not register imput and it locks you out
22/72 plates don't have sensors either 😅
22 plates all have it but there are a few 72 plates that don't have it. The first non USS cars were delivered starting in October 2022 (72 plates).
No point in it ‘remembering’ its placement because those areas could have changed, even in minutes. You are supposed to be able to select a space, get out of the car and let it park for you
Yes, but we had to check how they work and demonstrate it. Self parking, what you are referring to, would only be on FSD cars which this one wasn't.
You just need to get FSD abs it self parks. Mine has done it for years. You can also summon the car to back out of the parking spot - very helpful it a tight spot or raining. I use it daily
Watching this didn't explain how to use this as far as I can see. Still not sure what this is good for.
It is a Park Assist. The clue is in the name. Of course you can use the mirrors like on any other car but this replaces the USS (parking sensors) and helps you park.
I had a 800 miles trip after the update and all I can say is that i really hate being continually pinged to pay attention to the road...
Then just pay attention to the road 🤣
Mfs are mad because Tesla is making their drivers pay attention while driving now 😂. There’s a reason why people think Tesla drivers are the worst
I have a 2023 with uss, so technically it’s just cars without uss nothing to do with build year.
Yes, it is but some cars have been delivered in 2022 that don't have USS like the 72 plate cars. But this wouldn't be relevant for anyone outside of UK.
The new recall is horrible! I get strikes just for adjusting the climate control and stereo on screen.
Get out of the car and ask it to park in that bit 3:43
I miss my 360 degrees bird view in my Toyota Rav4. My 2006 Toyota Prius had a good working auto parking assist. With my Tesla Model Y I can never park between lines since the car don’t know where it is. Tesla is 20 years behind the competition. The more I drive the car the more I hate it.
You can park between the lines just by looking in the mirrors, that's not the car's fault. You were relying on the bird's eye view on your previouse car and that's why you can't park it properly. Using the cameras alone would definitely help with parking between the lines without the need for parking sensors. One simple solution if you don't like it.
Impossible to park in front since there is simply no camera in front of the car like it is the case with Volvo, polestar and any other carmaker who have some respect for the customer. Together with the ghostbraking, the wrong speedlimit reading, the bad rain sensor or lack of it, the continious ihpone key connection problems, the autopilot wrong messages look in front of you. I understand that they dropped the price . This was my first and last Tesla.
Looks like an improvement, but I would be so pissed off if I had one of these that still couldn’t see barriers in front. It’s ridiculous that Tesla sells cars claiming to have features like that, then removes the sensors, relies on vision only, and take a year to teach Tesla Vision how to do this properly, with the buyers as beta testers.
This was the case with the first cars that they sold without USS but they actually sent emails to the customers before taking delivery to let them know they don't have parking sensors anymore and they can either cancel the order or take it. The new ones you order now are not advertised as having parking sensors.
NHTSA 😢 ruining our fun with suspensions
Maybe if Tesla wasn't the car brand that crashes most often, NTHSA would not have to take action.
It's just a visual update 😅
Driving instructors should be very worried.. imagine in 5 years what cars will be.
What is a driving instructor?
I really think this year's holiday update falls a long way short of the mark. We all know Tesla and their bold claims v's the eventual reality that's delivered in some areas... especially as owners.
1. Tesla vision high fidelity 3D visualisation - This is probably what Tesla was aiming to deliver on day 1 of non-ultrasonic cars, however the reality of that is clearly harder to deliver than the promise. 1 year later, we have a kind of 3D mapping around the car that at best looks "OK" but 70% of the time looks like mush where objects are so poorly defined they merge into a single blob in the representation. For example, yesterday in a typical UK situation, cars parked on both sides of street, i needed to reverse into a gap... Representation on the screen of the line of cars on both sides of the road was just a solid blob of grey, even though there was a 2 car length gap that could be reversed into. Additionally to this, have you noticed that the distance to object counters have now vanished.... So for non-ultrasonic (vision only) cars, what was a poorly implemented distance to object counter, that could be used as a rough estimate, has now been replaced with a 3D rendered world that provides no "real world" useful information ie: if you dont have the situational awareness of objects within 15 meters of your car, you really shouldn't be driving, however fine control of a manoeuvre close to an object within 30cm, is exactly what these systems are for "car obstructed objects while parking", and exactly what the update fails to deliver on. Everyone seems to be swooning over this feature, but take a logical look at it for a second, its a gimmick, it is not a solution to the parking system accuracy issue the vision cars have, guaranteed if you rely on it, your going to need your bumpers painted in 2024!
2. Speed cameras on your route - I can be quick about this one, total trash! I did a 110 mile round trip on Tuesday 19/12/2023 after the update, the navigation showed just 2 of the 8 known cameras on that round trip. Not only that, the icon is tiny, and no notification chime, no notification on the visualisation side of the screen, no distance to camera, nothing.. In its current form, this isn't even a feature, i think the Tesla developers need to come and drive in the UK or other European countries (that allow camera identification) for a week, then they will understand the problem, we have cameras EVERYWHERE, some roads you can be passing one camera and already see the next one in front of you. If a Tesla employee reads this... Please hire a Volvo XC90 for a masterclass on how this feature should be implemented, then go reverse engineer it or add your Tesla fairy dust and make it even better than Volvos.
3. Apple Podcast - Works great except one issue, when you come back to the car, say 30 minutes after leaving it, the podcast is 30 minutes further in, so seems if the car is awake (if you use sentry mode, or its charging), and you didn't press "pause" when leaving the car, it just keeps playing in the background until you are back. Apple music use to do this and it was eventually fixed, so i have faith.
4. Multi-Stop trip planner in the Tesla app - Perfect
5. Blind spot camera red outside boarder - Yeah ok, but really... doesn't the big car in the middle of the frame kind of give it away... I feel this is miss-implementation again, the reason cars have the red flashing light somewhere on the mirror or the mirror mount is that when casually indicating most people do the reverse of what they are taught, in that they indicate then a split second later check their mirror... the immediate red flashing of a blind spot waring system is to subconsciously halt you from committing to the rest of the manoeuvre. This whole process is somewhat negated when the moment you indicate you are shown the car in your mirror immediately.... having a red boarder down one side of that frame is totally irrelevant at that point.
6. Autopilot Suspension - This one has to be a joke right? So i am driving on a motorway in the UK (M20), totally straight section for miles, after about 30 seconds i get a nag to provide steering input.. So let me get this completely clear.... Travelling at 70mph on a straight motorway Autopilot wants me to gently keep moving the steering about so it doesn't deactivate, and if i dont, it will eventually ban me for a week for 5 forced disengagements. This is dangerous, you are being asked to provide steering input where it's not required and at high speed! I also noticed that in relatively normal rainy conditions the standard cruise and autopilot insist on keep slowing the car down, so flow of traffic is 70mph, visibility is approximately three quarters of a mile, or as far as the next bend, and the car wants to slow down to 50... again this in itself is causing a potentially unsafe situation on a motorway in my opinion. Just for disclosure, the 2 Tesla's I have owned were both optioned with enhanced autopilot, it was never that great in the first place, now it's borderline completely unusable in the real world.
7. More cameras in live view - this doesn't even seem like its been done right, the pillar cameras should also be included in the grid view of all cameras, or even the app have an option to select which cameras are in your grid view, maybe this is a software. processor, or bandwidth limitation, but just seems fudged on for now. More importantly, what's even the point of this without sentry live view... I hope that's what Tesla are working towards, us viewing the cameras is pretty pointless other than as a party trick unless Tesla pushes the sentry notifications to our phone real time... then live view becomes a meaningful and truly helpful feature.
Matrix headlight functionality - Whereas that 😁 The Model 3 that I bought in September 2021 had the physical matrix lights fitted... 2 years and 3 months later, still nothing to activate them. .. Yet a fart sound on locking seems to be a priority... Hmmm
Dear Tesla, please start delivering truly meaningful updates/function. For this holiday update, I would have taken a thoroughly tested and vetted (trial and feedback from customers) 2 features - Matrix lights and Speed Camera identification with distance to camera warnings on the visualisation side of the screen... over all these poorly implemented / pointless features.
Why this is the best update we have ever had hands down creep
Can Tesla legally turn off a feature you paid for ?
On the first non USS Models Tesla emailed customers to let them know about this change and they had the option to keep the order or cancel it. On the newer cars they are not advertised as having parking sensors so you buy what's advertised.
@@RSEV I think they mean disabling autosteer, but in that case it wasn't Tesla's idea, rather NHTSA forced them to do it
@@SyntheticSpyyes amazes me how many people are saying Tesla can't do that and forgetting this has been enforced and caused by people not following the instructions and having accidents
Yes, because it isn't Tesla that is causing the problem. It is the fault of bad drivers that abuse the system and the NHTSA rules. It only takes a few to ruin it for the many.
Well, Elon did tell them the steering wheel was only there for legal reasons. They took him up on that and thought the instructions to keep hands on wheel were only there for legal reasons.
Give it 5 years and this might even be useful. In the meantime could you get rid of phantom braking and fix the auto wipers!
I am told by a contact at Tesla that the wipers will never work as they should because they are camera based instead of having a rain sensor, that’s why they wipe like crazy in bright sunlight sometimes
At least in Finland (and likely the whole EU at least), this holiday update allows you to turn off wipers while on cruise control and AP. This was the result of an intense petition campaign.
I still wish they'd implement the new rain model that uses all the cameras, not just the front main camera that gets confused by streetlights at night.
Our car had even more phantom braking now with this update. Kinda frustrating.
My wipers turn on just milliseconds after the first few drops of rain, self adjust speed correctly and turn off right on cue. My M3 is a 2018 so I’m really surprised any newer car owners are having issues. I’ve asked all the other owners I know personally and theirs work fine too. Strange bug
Our do anything from "not work at all" to "going into hyper speed for no reason".@@drdrew3
Taking something away you’ve paid for is a bit rich
That is just rubbish the Mercedes system is way way ahead decent camera with lines showing the wheel trajectory makes using the camera to park into difficult spaces very very easy.
The new 3D vison park assist works okay if you are in normal car parks with solid things like walls and cars around you but sloped driveways with hedges and low fences aorund (like we have at home) it is still very poor and unreliable. It was actually better before. But with AI and future updates it seems promissing.
Tesla's biggest problem, no memory. Especially for FSD.
Just very incomplete and not very accurate..why did they took out the measured distance cm/inches!? Now we must guess! Ridiculous!
im sorry, but the clouds look horrendous. flickering, ambiguous and no camera feeds. ultra sonic with distance readout was far far better. why not do a top-down view like everything else, that works and is immediately intuitive. the resolution just isnt there. be more of a hindrance than a help at this point. why cant they top down view for now, but obtain mapping information for later releases/ versions. then tesla still gets the data it needs to develop this system, but people have something tangible to use
The default view is a top down view but we were moving it on the screen to see it from different angles. Tesla already said this is V1 of this software update and the resolution will improve over time. we'll have to wait and see.
hi, sorry by top down view, i meant use camera feeds to provide a birds eye view, not a poorly depth mapped clay model. im saying tesla could have done this since the cameras are already there and theyre being used, but they could have still obtained depth mapping data for future revisions while providing a more conventional birdeye view for users rather than this ambiguous method
@@RSEV
Seems like they didn't just solve this, but made it even better!
It’s better but still not as good as either a 360 view or uss
When looking at those few videos available, it is very clear that they are doing a lot of guesstimation. And that can be a real problem in real life world, since the computer really have no idea of how the world works. And also a lot of objects are totally invisible for the car.
Haha, had to laugh. "Feet and inches", what decade are we in?
How many pounds, shillings and pence does a Tesla cost.
Merry Christmas.
No matter what unit you choose the measurements for this are always in inches (not on this update) so not much we can do about that.
Come on guys, can you really imagine the car with that system parking itself ?
One would be crazy to trust that system without any sensors at all !
A few days ago this feature wasn't existing and now it is. Yes, needs more work but it's definitely better. Weather it will park itself with this system we'll have to see and will definitely make for some interesting videos.
@@RSEVI haven’t tried it yet, but based on your video, it doesn’t look like much more than a prettier picture compared to the previous version. Looks ok with cars everywhere, but does it see painted lines for parking spaces. Still virtually worthless compared to what I paid for.
@@RSEV
Not saying it's not better than before, but Trump lover Musk said it will be able to park itself by the push of a "button" while you can get out of the car and watch it.
Who in their clear mind would trust this ?
If you put a box behind the car it doesn't see it !
Not even a huge trash can as tests in Germany have shown.
The problem is, it can only see what it was taught to see !
Yes we see through our eyes but at the same time, we thanks to our brain can analyse an object and determine if it's a problem without ever having to have seen it before in our lives !
Teslas AI isn't capable of that.
That's why in German tests of the system, it just ran over a box as if it wasn't there and ran straight into a big trash can without it ever showing up on the screen.
I find that blobby looking mess (high fidelity? Seriously?) to be a joke, not sure why we cant get decent above car views like my BMWs, honestly Id rather not have it and now our basic auto pilot (2023 Model 3) is nagging us even when auto pilot is not turned on. It has even more phantom braking now as well (with cruise control or auto pilot on). But why is the car nagging us about grabbing the wheel when autopilot is NOT turned on and we are clearly holding onto the wheel and driving? I think this update might need some patches.
Hopefully, when people stop buying the new cars and sales go down, they will listen to us. I canceled my order three days ago because of this. I have been a Tesla fan boy since 2015 but will be encouraging everyone to stay away until they bring the sensors back and bird’s eye view. I’ll stick with my 2016 model s with autopilot for now.
I don't entirely agree or disagree. While I do like parking sensors, if this had a front bumper camera I think it would work much better to the point that they would not need parking sensors. I'd also argue that I prefer this over bird's eye view personally.
Autopilot is much less useful now and FSD is totally worthless. The interior camera monitors your head angle.
Even the ancient Nissan Leaf 360 view is better because you aren't trusting to software. It's over complicated.
People are mad because Tesla is making you pay attention while driving? This world is going down the drain
You said early in the video "it's already had 4 updates"
They're not "updates"
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They're "RECALLS" 😉
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(According to the NHTSA)
It is still an software update in my mind. You can call it what you want, I don't care.
The definition of the surrounding parked cars is now terrible, they blur into a big fuzzy mess, same when revering, I’ve reported this to Tesla and am awaiting their technician to respond.
Not available yet for Teslas withh USS sensors, 🤔 A very clear marketing ego convincing people that one eye is better than two.
Instead of utilizing USS to confirm the distance seen by the camera.
But of course, fanbois will always say "It's better"... or "You'll get used to it"
At the moment it's not better, that's obvious. Will it get better than the USS ones? We'll have to wait and see. It is definitely better than just the lines that these cars were getting before.
NHTSA is going to kill people with this update. They are making the nag take your attention off the road more often, the frequent nags because of NHTSA's regulations will cause less people to use the feature, and people who are locked out or don't use it because of these changes will die.
I'm pretty sure this is what NHTSA wants though.
I use FSD every day. Your concerns are unfounded
@drdrew3 yeah we can't justify $15,000 extra to be lazy like you can...
Dude where do we go to complain about this? My Autopilot is f-ed now. It shut down on me in busy traffic because I reached for my phone...didn't even text I literally reached for it and unlocked the screen in the span of 2 seconds and it freaks out and shut down on me and told me 4 more times and I lose it for a week...wtf
@@TheVantriliquist13news flash: you shouldn’t even be touching your phone while in the car in the first place
@gavcom4060 when you are on 2+ hour trips and have to check messages from family members and work etc. Yes you have to.
Don't lie and say you never have touched your phone while driving. That's a blatant lie.
Of course if your driving 70 and typing a book long reply then that's on you and modern natural selection will play against you as you deserve. But Autopilot was specifically designed for this because most humans are stupid and they do that. I've seen countless others browsing Facebook while driving WITHOUT autonomous drive systems so that is why Elon and his team developed it to save the idiots from killing us and themselves.
Got tired of Tesla’s nonsense, sold it, and bought a real luxury car with a supercharged V8. So much happier!
😂 why are you still watching this video then if it's nonsense?
@@powersurge6878 Why are you still commenting on my posts? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@JetFire9 you decided to watch a video on our channel after you sold your car because you didn't like it, just curious why?
Male drivers won't want to admit they use this tech, but they will.. ;)
How ppl can buy a Tesla With this bad technology and features is beoynd me.
Just give us a camera feed instead of the crappy visualisation. I don't trust it. My 2016 BMW had 360 birds eye view and I could actually see what was around me. I now have a 2023 Tesla and all I can see is marshmallow around me. I really love the car but it's like they are trying to re-invent something that already worked, and made it much worse.
The idea with this is that it will improve over time and it will have better resolution and more definition in the render. One of the Tesla engineers said this is version 1 of this upgrade.
@@powersurge6878 Wipers, "auto"-dim, AP....Theres a lot of stuff that should "improve over time" but still sucks and most, if not all mentioned are the, by far, absolutely worst on market today.
@@powersurge6878 But if they just made it so it shows a live video feed from the cameras, they wouldn't need to update anything. It's form over function.
@@mps9994 and how will you know how close an obstacle is from a video? I often park in reverse and when I look how far I actually parked there is still room to go because you can't tell the distance very well. Look, it's not perfect of course but it's getting better. I mean last week it wasn't even a feature 🤷🏻♂️
My last car had USS and 360 birds eye view and it was perfect. Video with USS worked like a dream. I could see via the 360 view parking bay lines, curbs and other obstacles. Obviously I still have the reverse camera on the M3 but I would never ever trust the visualisation over a live camera feed. My wife's Leaf 360 system is better than this.
I get that they're working on it, and that's great, but as with many other things, Tesla have taken a different approach when they needent have. The wipers for instance, are so bad compared to my old car. The high beam assist is also terrible. So much so that I have turned it off as it often dazzles other drivers.
I so love my car, but it would be so much better if they had just stuck to conventional systems as per other marques. Again, form over function. Moving away from tried and tested systems and replacing them with over complex solutions that just don't work as well.
Still the worst park assist on the market. Any 360 birds eye view is better than this junk.
5:32 You remove the camera just as the graphics is about to show you collide even if your not. I'd call it useless and still unbelievable a manufacturer can be allowed to release so flawed software as they have done after the "Vision" downgrade, even ruining the cars that got radars by disabling them so new customers wont recognize how terrible their new "Vision" car is. Wipers, "auto"-dim, AutoPilot...So flawed and not this 5 warnings and your out? Yet another very clear downgrade and flawed due to Tesla going the cheapest possible way by having people to steer actively as a way of sensing there is hands on wheel instead of a pulse sensor like anyone else use. Cheap and on top of that your an unvolunteered betatester on Elons kindergarten will.
This was filmed with a gopro in pretty much one go. Not sure what you're suggesting. You probably don't drive a Tesla and are just here for trolling. Don't like it, watch something else 🤷🏻♂️
@@powersurge6878 Tesla fanboy with feeling a bit hurt this evening due to factshaming and then in same line admitting you got no clue about my point. LOL
2021 TM3 LR, 30.000 Miles a year with car ruined by Tesla "Vision" at approx 35.000 Miles last autumn. Now go and play with someone just as sad and simple in that kindergarten someone obviously has let you out from by mistake.
So salty….
@@IverKnackerov So direct honest.
The cars are provably better and safer after switching from radar to vision. This is shown from every independent crash test agency, and all the progress with FSD
tesla vision is just bad joke. it looks interesting but it lacks precision of mapping area. They promised they will improve it, of course i wish they did it right. But for now this is just interest-free loan that exploited by tesla.
Have you tried it since the new update?
Rubbish, give us a simple 360 camera instead of playstation 1 graphics.