Tesla Vision Parking update (no parking sensors) does it work yet?
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- When we tested Tesla video before it wasn’t brilliant. Actual sensors were better but they are no longer fitted.
However Tesla always release software updates, so is it better yet?
Here we find out. Is Tesla vision better than parking sensors yet?
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As a senior software architect I can confidently say this wouldn’t pass basic QA. How this was released is unbelievable. It simply doesn’t work and as a safety feature that is scandalous.
This is the improved version. They released the car with no sensors without even an alpha version of the software - just no parking sensors system at all. I don't understand how it was allowed to be released when there was no working version of the software at all.
I think that the NCAP tests are also a bit faulty, they should also test for a child passing and sone object being very close to a car, both front and rear. They are quite frequent and very possible situations.
Sure, but this is also the reason the USA leads Europe in software development. The USA goes straight to market with a prototype and develops much faster and better than the Europeans that spend years trying to perfect the software to be released, only for it to be outdated and useless once it is out.
@@jimj2683
Maybe they should have kept the front parking sensors as this test showed there was no software testing at all. At least the systems work on European cars!
@@jimj2683ridiculous.
People attack Tesla for random things that are largely unwarranted but removing USS was a huge mistake but very few of the critics are talking about it, I love and adore Tesla but disappointed they didn't leave the sensors on for safety/ redundancy when required.. I am fortunate to have a MYLR from Aug 2022 and I have the sensors, I can honestly say I wouldn't have accepted my car if it didn't have sensors. Another great video Richard & team.
How was the censors in the past. Did the car automatically stop when it was too close to an object? I've had my car 6 months now and am super disappointed by Tesla vision.
When people ask me why I didn't get a Tesla, I point to the lack of USS and how they were abruptly dropped with absolutely no replacement for lost functionality. It's been almost a year, and the TeslaVision based parking assist is still crap. I don't trust Tesla to not suddenly drop something else that I rely on and consider important to have on a modern car.
@@alexmighty9004 The sensors in the past were just like in most cars I guess. They still act crazy for various things. Far from perfect.
I've turned off the sound and never pay much attention to them since we have the 3 camera streams. I can literally see how far things are.
Additonally the USS visualization doesn't show distance when
I totally agree. the real problem for you, Tesla owner with Ultrasonic Sensor is... They will turn off Ultrasonic sensors by newer software in future(they said so). I don't get this Tesla policy. someone or group please, sue Tesla once they turn off US sensors!!!
@@overdriver99 You seem to missed the part where I wrote that I don't care for them anyway. (and most people obviously don't -> see sales numbers)
They won't turn the USS off before the vision system doesn't work on par or better.
They also turned off radar a long time ago. Did somebody sue them? 😅
Well done for a professional, unbiased and accurate assessment of a Tesla with and without parking sensors. I can't see how a car can be safe without both systems of cameras and sensors. My Mazda CX5 has both and I appreciate the safety aspects Your video proves that point.
I just wish other UA-cam vloggers were as unbiased as yours is.
Always an informative professional production.
People managed fine for decades without any sensors bleeping when they got close to things. While a demonstrably retrograde step to try to just work with cameras, it seems as if Tesla vision works well enough for people who can look.
@@FFVoyagersounds like you’re just trying to give Tesla a pass. It is objectively worse. This only benefits Tesla. Less manufacturing costs. Sensors are useful…this video just showed why cameras alone are not sufficient. I would be interested to know what your argument for not having it? How, as a consumer, are you winning by not having it as a standard feature ?
@@james060491 my 'arguement' is that it's not a safety issue. I agree it's likely to be a cost saving move by Tesla. I don't have much of a problem with that - if customers aren't happy there are plenty of alternatives they can choose. 🤷🏻♂️
@@FFVoyagerRubbish, it’s 100% a “safety issue”. The car now doesn’t warn that you’re about to run into big objects, that’s 100% a “safety issue”. I will warn people that this is a safety issue flaw with Tesla, and I own a Tesla. People have to call it like it is.
@@dac00007 it's certainly a safety issue if you are too stupid to see 'big objects'.
But if you can't, perhaps you should have your eyes tested?
Removal of the sensors and the stalks makes the new Teslas a no go for me. I love the software and performance, but the removal of those two things is a dealbreaker.
same, I have a ‘21 Model Y LR and last year cancelled an order for a Model Y Performance because they deleted the ultrasonic sensors. My only gripe with my car was the harsh ride, so when the Model Y gets updated it would be a nice upgrade, eeeexcept now they’ve removed the indicator stalks!! Musk’s infuriating war on parts strikes again
Or just put the camera on the bumper and take care of all the scenarios.
Hilarious, you think a company like Tesla can’t improve this over time with OTA updates, it’s not a Ford lol
@@davedyer3654oh, and I’m sure you believe FSD is almost ready.
Using finger for turn signal actually works well for most situations - less work overall.
Looks to me like Tesla have got a fair way to go with this new system. Really can't see this (no pun intended) as a safe or sensible replacement for parking sensors. Reckon a lot of people would be confused or misled by what the screen is showing them.
I suspect they are planning on adding front cameras to all models at some point, which will help a lot.
More likely the AI will learn to see what the cameras see and also be able to calculate how far the car has moved.
But since everything is dependent on AI or FSD in some way, it goes hand in hand and therefore development is at a standstill on things like this.
Humans have no sensors which are quite primitive as they do not know what they see but only know/feel that "something" is in front of the sensor.
As Elon says, we will understand in the future why Vision is the obvious choice.
@@0-Will-0Totally cool, but they should not have removed the ultrasounds from cars without front cameras.
@@tonyalbertsson919I just can't agree. I'm a Tesla fan but the AI is only as good as the information in. The front cameras just don't have the resolution or low light performance to perform this task. As the say in the classics - garbage in, garbage out. IMO it's unacceptable in this day and age to launch an expensive car without proper parking assistance aids. I have no doubt vision "could" work but you would need vastly superior cameras at the front and there would still be edge cases where ultrasonics are superior (eg heavy rain, mud splashed on the lens etc). And the ultimate problem - the extra costs of the camera modules is likely to outweigh any cost savings on ultrasonic sensors.
@@mondotv4216cameras are super cheap. The whole harness and holes in the bumper, along with the labor to install and calibrate it all, is a lot more expensive than a single camera in the bumper
I came from a RAV4 with 360 view and sensors all around the car. Old technology that just works. Tesla is overdue to get improvements in their "vision" approach, this is unacceptable in this day and age.
Its like going back in time 😅 better tech, less accurate results..
I wouldn't really consider the camera based approach "better tech", though.
@@hummerltheOh true.. it's more "AI" though, the term everybody seems to throw around nowadays... camera's with "neural network" and "self learning" abilities, blahblah... very cool, but plain old USS just do the job. And they are cheap, just use both, USS great as failsafe when camera's have no vision.
@@Xantulle Absolutely! Cameras alone just have shortcomings. The same thing applies to the adaptive cruise control without using radar or LIDAR.
Vision only technology will never solve for snow, fog and rain. In many owner tested Tesla's, objects are rarely detected by front facing cameras. Small children and animals don't stand a chance. Full self driving will never be accomplished without some kind of radar in front of car. Am I missing something?
Thank you for this review! It would be great id you could repeat every 6-12 months (if there have been significant updates) to track progress or lack thereof over time
I'd like to suggest Serge gets employee of the month!
We all know what serges UA-cam account is now called.... 🤣
Now this is a game changer for me. Currently driving a model 3 2021. At best of times, the parking sensors are not amazing. Now new models without parking sensors is definitely a deal breaker
The front bumper camera was removed from marketing material from the Highland, and I’ve not seen one reviewer examining the cars pointing out its existence, so there’s a good chance early cars - including UK ones - won’t have it.
Unfortunately: I've already seen reviewers confirming it isn't there.
Early cars definitely don't but Teslascope and others still sound confident it will come at some point in 2024. As we all know, there are continuous improvements with these cars rather than "this is fixed" for a particular refresh.
This confirms my experience the front detection is terrible especially for low walls, you just end up reversing into all spaces. Not everything can be fixed in software, the camera just can't see low obstacles I'm clueless as to why they ever thought this would work. They need to put the sensors back. I wonder if the wiring is still there and they can be retrofit ?
Theoretically it could work. The front camera creates an acurrate map while you are further away and then uses that map from memory to show obstacles. However, as we see it does not work with current software.
@@SterorNot really, you might be parked and start the car when the wall is very close. Or you have some animal or even a small child coming in front of the car. It is unacceptable to cut costs not matter what happens.
@@FlorinArjocu For static objects like walls, there is no technical reason Tesla can't save that information in persistent storage which stays until your next drive. For moving objects like kids, I agree.
I'm not arguing for removing USS. I think the benefits clearly outweigh the cost and I'm disappointed by its removal. And even moreso because Tesla Vision was and is not advanced enough to warrant removal of USS.
Elon doesn't care if his "assumptions" are crap. Plus, his fanboy army will claim fraud and FUD.
If they are going to rely on the cameras, I wonder why they didn't add a front bumper camera. A massive flaw with their system.
They are adding one
This. They need to add one and then it could be even better than sensors who can have blind spots. But right now it's just dangerous
@@boostavI couldn’t see on any of the model 3 facelift reviews..
@@boostav check the camera section for the manual, no front bumper camera
www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_eu/Owners_Manual.pdf
@@boostavthey didn’t. The new model 3 just came out and none of the rumoured cameras are on it. Very poor.
Thanks for the useful video Richard. My 23 MY does not have parking sensors, and I much prefer to park it backwards, even alongside a curb. I recently rented a 22 M3 that did have parking sensors, and it was fine parking it forwards against a wall and a garage door, reliably telling me to STOP at 12 inches. I think Tesla removing the parking sensors was a bad mistake that should be reversed.
Just that's it's too late for you, isn't it?
Don't tell Mr Watson I'm watching your videos and not his....but I've just picked up a New M3P.... so nerding up on all things Tesla. Great videos by the way... easy to watch
lol rc guys here, 100s car, do a speedrun
@@hardywoodaway9912 haha… i did actually do a 0-60 the other day after doing some RC Car speed runs. I couldn’t help it…. 3.4s 👌
Excellent coverage of a safety issue.
Great video squire, you always make videos that make everything nice & clear about Tesla cars, so on & so forth. 👍
A bit flaky? You are being very generous! I would simply say that it doesn’t work. More Tesla crash test dummies.
So glad I got one of the last 2022 models with the sensors, in tight U.K. car parks these are essential.
A Very useful demonstration of what is very important to any driver who values their car and the safety of others. I can’t for the life of me understand Teslas logic in producing such a flawed element to its high value vehicles. Thankfully I’ve a model Y with sensors albeit their not perfect. Great input from Richard as always. Thanks.
Most probably a decision shooting off the hip as usual from Musk refusing to listen to anyone else...
The system really needs a front camera to be working properly. And then that should also make 360° parking assistance available.
system needs sensors to be working properly bro, when in rain or harsh conditions you can't rely on the camera at all...lets cut the BS
Thanks for the Test 🙂 But it is not easy to solve the problem with an additional frontcam. In Wintertime or other dirty condition, the cam needs a cleaning- and heatingsystem.
“Without front sensors it’s a bit flaky”!!! The word is ‘useless’.
Or “dangerous”
Who is responsible for this stupid cost cut should have his small children or his pet in front of the car and test "tesla vision".
And this in perfect weather and lighting conditions. I need my parking sensors most during the dark, heavy rainy autumn evenings& early mornings like we have now. The cameras would do 💩 i imagine.
@@davidbelecci6970 sooooooo do headlights and backup lights not exist anymore?? both front and back are VERY bright???????????????????? LIKE? THINK BEFORE YOU COMMENT
Great video! Just shows people need to stop praising Tesla vision for things like parking... Tesla, just put the parking sensors back in!!
A great review. I cancelled my MY order last year and stuck to my M3 which has USS as I only have one working eye and need accurate distances for parking. 10 months on the software doesn't work, but then 4 years on FSD doesn't either - I'm still waiting for a refund on my FSD £5k.
Are you on the beta program?
I hope you get your FSD (we know it’s fake) money back.
Thanks for this update, Richard. My big worry, as an M3 HW3 Tesla Vision only driver, is that we're going to get no meaningful further improvements to front parking. I'd love to see a front-camera or USS retro-fit option for us, but I won't be holding my breath!
Great videos and honesty as a Tesla seller but why imperial? I’m in my 50’s and so used to metric. 18 inches means nothing. Please use metric system.
Was going to buy a 3 end of last year but decided againest it. Now gone used september 22 to get the sensors. The removal of the indicator stalk if permanent will mean a different brand next time.
Very fair and objective analysis. Thank you for posting this.
Luckily still get the sensors in 3s and Ys delivered in Australia. Apparently a local regulation.
Thank you for that regulation 😊
Has it been confirmed the new M3 still has the sensors?
The regulation is just that it must have either a reversing camera or sensors, it doesn't require both, the US and iirc EU already have similar regulations in place
@brandonokeeffe1193 no idea as yet. I've heard local Tesla staff have made that claim but hard to know if it's true.
Is that true?
@nobullfx-os7mt we certainly still get the sensors. Friend picked by their Y last week and it still has them.
@@Rabs73 Nope, we won't have sensors on the new M3 2024, just ordered one
Shortly after I got my '21 with sensors, I messed up the cowling under my air intake by getting too close to a rock....I was expecting the sensors to come on but it must have been just a little too thin and on the edge of their sensing area so i dinged it! (lived with it that way for over a year and I finally had it repaired and now it's back to looking good as new)
This is one of those things that shows how, in basic automotive craftsmanship, they’re still quite new at this. I say this as the owner of a model Y and former model 3 owner. I have accepted the trade offs (better digital tech, better battery efficiency, no dealership BS) but they do still fail in a few basic automotive capabilities.
I've rented teslas before and absolutely loved the parking features of them, but when my dad got a 2023 Model 3 and found out they didn't have sensors we were all upset. It sucks and I'm jealous of people who have those smooth yellow and red lines.
EDIT: Also this weekend after recieving an update on the car it now slows down from about 30 MPH to 20 MPH thinking theres a car directly in front of it every time without fail on the road home. It does it about 3-6 times on the road and there is absolutely nothing there to make it think it should slow down. A model S that lives in our neighborhood does not have this issue. Yes I have cleared calibration.
Oh boy, I own a Model Y without parking sensors and deactivated the parking system audio notifications. I didnt had any parking sensors either before the Model Y nor a rear camera, so I'm really glad to have all those cameras and I'm able to park perfectly and prefer to reverse on every spot. I had much belives that Tesla would improve Tesla Vision, I would like to see the system working properly and exactly. Nearly a year has passed, I dont know if it gets any better, sadly
I was lucky enough to get my Model Y with parking sensors, and always wondered if they were worthwhile. Your scientific back-to-back test proves they are. They didn’t prevent me scuffing a pillar when reversing in the dark - the sensors don’t seem to work too well at the corners. I wonder if the camera system would be any better in the dark?
Same here - even front sensors are pretty hopeless
This is one of the reasons I really miss our former Mercedes: the sensors were fabulous. They were detecting anything, side or front or rear. Extremely reliable in my experience. Most cars don't have side sensors, but those are very handy at a highway toll or in an underground parking where you have high curbs and cannot see them properly (or at all). The current one (Mazda) has no sides sensors but has 360 cameras, which is ok.
Glad i went for one with the Sensors for now. Good video!
Good one Richard! Inline with what I expected. I'll keep my March 2022 MYLR until they sort that out! ( by the way Service Mode shows that my USS are still active,unlike the radar)
Have learned to never rely on the front collision warning the hard way. Ever so slightly bumped into a pillar in a parking ramp similar to your test in the first few minutes of the video where you were backing in. The backup detection is better, and I can also actually see if I am about to collide with an object with the camera. The camera in the top of the windshield simply isn't good enough to fill the roll of a parking sensor especially without me being able to camera view what is in front of me.
I own a Model Y without parking sensors, I still love it for its shortcomings. But no stalks would reaaaalllllly annoy me.
There is no competition on the market with the same size/price/range combination though.
An interesting video Richard 👍
I think Tesla have a way to go with their vision system.
So glad my 2023 Model Y came with parking sensors.
Hope you and the team are well.
It's hard to believe Tesla tested like this and decided that it was OK to remove the parking sensors.
Got no sensors on my MY Performance, I mostly ignore what Tesla Vision says and just park using good old spatial awareness and judgement. Rearview camera is truly very accurate and reliable. The ugly fat front number plate holder and the number plate on UK cars is good just in case you tap something lightly as it sticks out about 2cm from the front bumper. But I’d advise reversing into spots most of the time lol.
Another good one. Thank you. So glad I have the sensors on my 22 Y. Poor performance of a parking aid can't be brushed off on the basis of " Get your eyes tested" etc. When an innovation matures to being part of the accepted fabric, its absence is going to be an issue for many people. Now then, wheel to kerb sensors please! I have suffered kerb rash for the first time in 15 years. Let me know if you have any immaculate 19' Geminis for sale Richard 🙂.
Me again, the tree stump test is valid of course. It is very common to have low level barriers marking out parking places. They disappear from the drivers view and can then cause damage to the front fender/bumper. I guess it is a trade off with a low fender mounted camera - less risk of doing damage to the fender but possibly more cost if one does do so.
Or reverse park?
@@FFVoyagerHi, yes, but sometimes I want to be able to sit in my car and look out in the direction I parked in - we have a very nice harbour view near where I am and I like to watch the goings on from the comfort of my car. Why should my parking direction be limited by foolish design decisions?
@@bobuk5722 nothing is stopping you doing that. 🤷🏻♂️
Hi Richard, kudos for the follow up. In principle vision only should work, it has been used in quadcopters/drones for a quite some time now. But the cameras need to be able to see the object at some point in the approach. If they then lose sight the details should still be held in memory and the car knows where it is in relation to the object as it monitors distance travelled and steering angle. High quality dual pixel cameras can also accurately measure distance without need a second camera to triangulate. That is now quite common on decent still and video cameras. I have seen reports that the cameras used are now cheaper than Ultra sonic detectors - which I find surprising. I suspect this is all part of a Value Engineering drive - maybe Sandy Munro had a hand in it? It's still not fit for purpose in my opinion. Not so much of a problem when reversing, there is good high quality camera coverage there, but going forward we need a camera mounted low on the fender/bumper. We also need coverage of where the front wings are in relation to obstacles, especially given the somewhat restricted turning circle on some Teslas. It's a work in progress but launched too early I think, I suspect Tesla are using these cars and owners as beta testers, collecting info from the onboard telematics. Again, thanks for the follow up. If I do decide on a pre-owned Long range MY rather than a new RWD I'm coming to your firm. Your objective videos are very, very helpful and I thank you for all the trouble making them.
Cannot replace the sensors. There are situations when cameras cannot do well (sun in front, raining, snowing, fog, dirty lenses etc.).
Seeing the object at some point in the approach is okay, but we all know the enviroment shifts when you turn off your car and go shopping. When you come back there coud be plenty of things in the camera blind spot (eg. other cars). So, if it cannot see everything it would need to monitor and record surroundings at all times, even when the car is switched off.
@@jakecoventry9004Hi, now that's a good point, I'd not thought of that. Back in the good old days before cameras and ultrasonics we all walked around our cars first before getting in them - well, we should have, maybe we'll have to start doing that again. Thanks for taking the trouble to reply.
Complete junk 🤦 they saved maybe $100 in parts and their “solution” doesn’t work. The same camera/software solution is used for the automatic wipers instead of a $10 rain sensor and it is nearly useless
Parking sensors are necessary in my opinion, my Tesla Model Y is one of the last produced with parking sensors. I don't think Tesla was ready to remove them yet. Congratulations on a great review, I'm sure it will be useful to many people.
If you have a backup camera , why would you need a sensor?
@@jebes909090 The sensors are reliable and proven over time. A camera is a good thing, but it often gets dirty. Unfortunately, Teslas don't have a camera in the front bumper, and with no sensors in it, things don't look good at all.
@@svetoslavkirchev8222 its such a wierd thing for them not to have a camera upfront. I mean theyre trying to do fsd through cameras only. Thats the most important place.
@@jebes909090 I totally agree, a front facing camera located somewhere in the most prominent part of the car is a must. I don't know if you've noticed, but initially when the facelifted TM3 was introduced, there were photos on Tesla's website that showed such a camera located in the middle of the grille in the front bumper. This gave me hope that now this problem will be solved and everything will work the right way. Then the photos were removed and replaced by others, without a camera at that location.
So glad in Australia they still come new with sensors
Really? How come? That’s good if it’s true.
No they don’t.
Well done Richard, i am happy that you have pointed out this. I think Tesla should place a bumper camera if not sensors.
One more thing i have noticed if we compare the both cars 2022 and 2023 regarding handling and body roll. The 22 Y drives better on country roads and on motor way but slightly stiffer ( I don’t mind it) this gives you a feeling stable driving like you should.
A request, Can you also check the suspension hight wheel arch to tyre? I think 22 y is slightly Lower even on 19”. My theory is if we put 21” Staggered wheels on non performance 23 Y it should behave better in handling and a more comfortable than the 2023 Performance Y.
Can you please Test this as you have loads of cars of all wheel sizes. Best regards.
Great job on the complex test! I'm excited to compare the new Model 3 with updated hardware for the same testing once it's available.
Same here, I am very dubious of the removal of sensors for tight manoeuvres.. Also lack of stalks is off putting. I will keep our 2019 models
Hi There Guys.. love your work, just a quick question…. If the Model S Plaid started selling back in June ‘21, did they ever make any RHD versions? And was the X Plaid you tested RHD…??
Tesla Vision on our new 2024 (Aug 24) M3 works as well as the older Tesla with both cameras and sensors, and much better than the older Tesla without sensors. I suspect software updates have done their job.
Thanks for testing this! This is the only channel which do proper testing of the features which are really relevant. It is promising that the rear camera Vision only parking support is working so I guess the thing will be working at the moment the front bumper camera is available. Until then everybody who orders a Tesla at the moment should be aware that there is no trustworthy park support for the front. So I chose to buy another car but if you like a Tesla and regulary need front PDC then probably wait until HW4 cars are released which have that additional camera.
Yeah, I have to agree. I was looking forward to Project Highland being launched in the UK but this has got me thinking. Is this a classic case of Art for Art sake?
What Art?
Tesla is just a boring looking car, a shaped box of plastic with doors and wheels on it, the build quality is like something made by Fisher-Price, ubiquitous and desirable just like the old Ford Escorts were of the past :)
Aesthetics and more importantly Tesla’s margins. Just wish there were at least an option to pay extra for parking sensors!
@emotionair1882 Couldn’t have put it better myself.
Thanks for this video! Was just thinking of buying again due to some low interest rates.
But It is obvious that it is not working, so postponing again.
Could you do the stump test on another manufacturer's car?
Even the version with parking sensors was way worse than other systems I've used. The VW group cars I've had have beeps that get louder and more frequent the closer you get and consider the steering angle so the object shows on the screen, but doesn't beep unless it's in your path (2016 Skoda). The ID3 I have (much worse car than Model 3 in lots of ways) developed that so that the beep uses surround sound and comes from the direction you're closest to hitting.
The Tesla vision system is better in reverse than forward, but is highly inconsistent. When manoeuvring on my drive, it regularly shows me driving right through the middle of other cars when I'm clear of them and doesn't warn when I'm on target to collide. It's also so slow to start up that I've often manoeuvred out of the drive or parking space before it's working at all.
Fortunately I'm so old that I learned to drive without them so I use my eyes and mirrors but it took a while to get out of the habit of using sensors after having them for over 10 years. Not enough for me to reject the car (they took 9 months to deliver it and sensors were on the spec list when I ordered). I'm going to need a long test drive to convince me to choose another one without the indicator stalk.
Did you receive any discount for not having the sensors? Or the car just showed up without them and that was it?
@@FlorinArjocu They gave us a choice: take it. Or leave it. 🙄
That's how Tesla works...
@@johnmckay1423 Kind of expected that answer, but still hoped. They are allowed to do too much s**it like this, imho. From alpha-beta testing on real people, to things like these.
excellent video!
But I prefer the ones with sensors!
And this boy must definitely be a ghost! Not even Tesla can see it
For me it works great, it has a little delay of a few seconds, but it does work. I would not 100% rely on it though, after parking for longer times, then it somehow forgets its surroundings. The rear does an excellent job, but the front is crap
I have an old Volvo v70 without any sensors at all, and never have problems parking. Is having no sensors a problem these days?
Can you do a new test now with the new high fidelity park feature?
How can you convincingly say you product can “drive it self” when it can’t even measure parking distance?
The new parking assist in vision Teslas is amazing and works very well.
Is this Hardware 4.0 ?
Thanks 👌
I don't really think they'll be able to fix this (driving a Model Y here). There just aren't enough cameras in the front covering the area in front of the bumper. (Also for FSD they miss side-viewing cameras in front).
A 360-view would be just nice (and just a software feature.)
So happy I bought a Polestar instead.
To be honest, the rear facing vision seems as good or even better than sensors, but on the front it’s tragic. A very simple fix would be the addition of an extra camera placed lower.
Honestly to fix this issue all they need is a front camera in bumper area. the cameras in front windshield are not high enough to see below a certain point. So if they added another camera in bumper area that would fix this issue.
It's incredible Tesla didn't realise that a camera system actually needs line-of-sight to get reliable data. .. hence the parking sensors. Equally frustrating is the stalk removal.
22” is the new STOP
I hope Model Y Juniper will have more cameras or sensors
I’d like to just get out of the car, close the door, then tell it (as if speaking to Siri on my iPhone) “go park yourself”, and done. Whether it’s parallel parking or side by side between 2 other cars in a tight spot, it does the job perfectly.
The lack of parking sensors and the ridiculously bad auto sensor for the wipers are the two biggest issues with my MY. I love it apart from that but to be so bad on two such fundamental features just makes no sense.
Wiped update was promised 6 months ago. It‘s supposed to use all cameras to determine the amount of downfall. So at least they are working on it
@@TheXstandsforX Working on it? Working on what? Twiddling their thumbs? Whenever I long press the button to wash the windscreen the wipers just won't switch off. You would think it would be easy to write a bit of code that says that if the driver has long pressed that button then the water is not from rain and therefore it should stop wiping in a few seconds. Secondly, it was literally pouring down the other day to the point that it was impossible to see through the windscreen (I slowed right down to test it but was still moving) and the wipers still wouldn't come on. So... how about a but of code that says that if the driver has had to push the button to manual clear the screen more than X times in the last minute then assume that it's raining!!!
Currently driving the Model Y 2022 and I would get another BUT NOT if it has no indicator stalk. I will unfortunately move over to another brand.
well the highland manual doesnt say it has front bumper camera though and the press cars didnt have it either but yeah it realy needs a front bumper camera.
It works really well for me actually.
Our own testing and the testing of many of our members leads to the conclusion that the rear camera is not employed for vison assist parking. We know that it is not part of the Autopilot architecture and therefore things approaching directly from the rear won't be seen. This is also true for Sentry, so 'threats' at the rear will not trigger it. When this is considered, it is pretty remarkable how Tesla get around this by extrapolating the images from the rearward facing fender cameras to produce a halfway accurate result when reversing. It is much better at this when the parking position is approached at an angle. This makes sense as it gives the fender cams a better view of objects which, once seen it tries to maintain a virtual picture of when objects disappear from view. This also explains why the 'vision assist degraded' message appears often when first getting in the car. This covers for any changes to the position of objects or new objects since the vehicle was parked as these would not been seen by the rear camera. The same can be said of the front camera too with it's blind spot directly in front of the bumper. It's not clear why the rear view camera is not part of the Autopilot set up. It is just a bog standard fish eye reversing camera, meant just for the driver (hence the better colour representation than the other cams - although Tesla have improved these too with the latest software release). We know that the Autopilot cams see the world very differently to what is represented on the screen for human consumption, so perhaps the rear cam is not capable of meeting this standard due to it's design been for mere mortals and not Autopilot. Be great to see a video testing blind spot limitations as per above and this might go someway to help frustrated owners understand the inconsistency of vision assist parking???
The poor parking sensors issue is an odd one for such a high tec car. My 2017 BMW X1 has really accurate and reliable sensors. It must be down to the USA market not needing them, with their huge amount of space. Same issue with the removal of the indicator stalk on Model 3 - USA don't have roundabouts!
US actually has quite a few roundabouts, and they are adding more every day. Agree on it being on that Tesla is going backwards on tech and falling behind other manufacturers with auto-parking and park assistance. People forget new Teslas don’t come with auto park or summon anymore because of the crappy vision system not being good enough to do it.
how did you all park before 2015?
@@someguy5399 people generally are bad at parking, and parking assistance systems make it safer and better. Parking assistance is a standard feature now in cars of this class. Humans crash into things and people all the time.
waiting for an updated video with new "high" fidelity park assistant ❤
Does the 2022 version still have the sensors? Maybe buy used?
I have a model Y and, it took awhile to get used to the new camera only setup, but since the new over the air updates, it is fine. I almost dinged a demo model before the software showed up, as I’d assumed it had sensors. The car otherwise is pretty faultless and I’ve driven it to France and back with no problems at all. I’d just like a softer suspension setup. The car overall is streets ahead of the competition. Driving through France was so easy, with superchargers and amazing roads. The UK roads need a major overhaul, but by then I will have likely moved to France to retire.
Great video as usual 👍, unfortunately Tesla Vision is still not fit for purpose.
This. No 360° camera. No stalks. No CarPlay. No lossless USB audio. I could be in their primary demographic but decisions like this make Tesla a no-go for me. I’m seriously going to look at Polestar 3 and until then I’m super happy with my plug in hybrid Volvo.
My Model 3 is a September 2023 build from Shanghai and, thankfully, it has parking sensors.
Will you do an updated version of this test using the Tab to park feature?
Tesla needs to add a bumper cam! You’ll have to do the moonwalk not to get hit. 🤣
So USS are still active even on Tesla Vision, despite Tesla saying they were disabled.
Would be interesting to know if on latest update 2023.32.6 if this is still the same as improvements in cameras (side ones and a bit in rear, unsure about front one as we can’t see it on the screen like the other 3). 🤔🤔
Yes thankfully, as the cameras alone just simply dont work going forwards. No amount of software update is likely to solve this as it needs at least one extra sensor or camera low down in the bumper (ideally as low as they can put it).
Very good test with honesty ! it is a rubbish idea to remove the sensors, especially in Europe where the parking space are much much smaller than US;
Tesla Vision would work great if they’d just add a front bumper camera. Easy peasy fix, but Tesla is only looking at the dollars unfortunately. I love my 22 MY, but I won’t get another if they don’t get this issue resolved by the time I trade up.
I have a vision model 3. Had to disable the chimes sensors are terrible. I live and drive in a city. They are absolutely useless for city driving. Parallel parking forget it. However the car is fantastic. My dad has a model 3 with ultra sonic incredibly accurate and precise.
I have a 23 MY and I'm so disappointed with Tesla Vision. In combination with the horrible turning circle makes it a poor experience in tight parking lots.
Worst part is when the winter comes, snow/ice renders it totally useless!
Great back to back test, still some work to do for Tesla
Thanks for the video, just found out I bought a m3 LR RWD that could be very dangerous. How did they get this through uk safety testing?
Good question. Take it back otherwise you’re going to end up at the garage half the time fixing the dabs damage to your vehicle or worse, kill a small child/animal.
i'm glad i sticked to a late 2022 model 3 with uss... the uss sensor is damn accurate
Richard
I think the front camera is set up for left hand drive (Right, "nearside" kerb) obstacles which are probably deemed to be more dangerous?.... On Left hand side cars?)
Isn't they a "dummy" aperture in that front lens unit?
Maybe that was meant for the Right hand drive camera?
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Is it possible they were calibrated before leaving China on LHD roads?
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Question.
Is there a setting to do a camera calibration in the service modes?
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If so, I would drive up to a wall, (preferably not white) complete the calibration, then try again
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Maybe worth asking the mobile technician next time he visits?
Had my MY about a week, the sensors are the main thing I don’t like tbh. Hopefully they can improve the software on the cameras ASAP
The auto wipers need a bit of work, but then again in my experience they aren’t great on a lot of cars
If only tesla stopped faffing about with FSD and spent more time improving everyday features, so glad i got the march 22 model, they seem to have all the features, ryzen chip, sensors, heated wipers etc
Not quite up to date. I'm on 2023.32.6 which has improvements on visualization of objects and cars. I also found out that the cameras are more accurate if you start recalibration of the cameras after an update. But I still can confirm, front is more messed up than behind.the rear distance is mostly pretty accurate.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to put front sensors on "Highland" than a new, low camera? Or are they moving the high camera down low to keep the cost the same? I'm a new Model Y driver with Tesla-vision. Just being extra careful. The rear camera is excellent, so no need for sensors there.
What’s your favourite model y colour and rim colour also?