Huge Difference! Tesla Autopilot Hardware 3 vs 4 - Here's What The Cameras Can Really See
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Dave and Kyle compare Tesla Autopilot hardware 3 vs 4 in this Service Mode raw camera feed comparison
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Tesla removed one of the 3 cameras in the front and replaced it with a blank. This is a known thing that I did not know about. Therefore HW4 cars only have 8 cameras now; not 9. Thanks to all who commented on this
There are only two. Hw4 cameras in the front have 2 with the red dot one with nothing which is the dummy one. You can see there’s one missing in the service menu when you view all available cameras.
28:40 Re: Wants. I strongly agree with Munro that center/high mounted FLIR will eventually be a must, but is cost the reason no one has used it?
@@Crunch_dGH FLIR would be the perfect sensor for the cars.
@@Crunch_dGH No reason not to have it. My 2012 Audi A6 had it as an option. The S Class had that in like 2009. They auto detect ppl or animals and auto flash high beams as a warning and stop if needed. It also freaks out on the screen between the analog gauges, where it displays the night vision feed,
Terrible experiment. Should have used same model car with same interior!
I wish my Model Y had the ultrasensors. I don't trust the cameras for object distance from the car.
Yeah that's why I didn't get the 2023 model x I got the 2022 mines have the ultra sensors and it have a radar I don't know if it's in use when I enter service mode It tell me it have a radar but yeah that's why I haven't upgraded yet cuz of that reason no sensors dinner ones without the sensors can't do auto park or summons
@@youngchirp12 they can now. Even better than the ones with the ultrasound sensors
Yeah I got that update I like it I just wish it could summons@@thegameblend
The narrow camera isn't needed because the main cameras now has higher resolution which is enough to do analysis of far objects
Tesla updated the white balance for the camera views for the rear view and side repeater cams which is awesome, you can also view the 9 cameras whout service mode by going to service tab and click camera preview.
2023 mylr hw3. Just drove 200 miles at 3am in Florida in a terrible storm. 4 lane rural road, US 301. During rain and fog held speed to 45. During rain held speed to 55. Much of the time visibility was so bad I would not have driven. When trailer trucks passed road was usually totally obscured to my vision. Only used autodrive the whole time. Never a hiccup. Not one. Flawless all the way. I am totally amazed. So there you are.
PS auto headlights, auto wipers.
When HW4 was launched, it was said that it would only have two front facing cameras, and a dummy camera to fill the hole of the missing camera.
I wonder if we can take selfies with the dummy camera.
I don’t think the HW4 was launched. As far as i know the Y still HW3 in the UK, i just ordered the new Y and it will be delivered to me in next month.
@@davidhe8 in Canada some Model Y on the new inventory page have new headlights. I'm waiting for the Performance to get that, Thinking of getting one to complement my old tuned Audi, which is already faster, but less practical and pricey to run/maintain.
@@OviWanKeno9iif you are waiting for brand new with big change of model Y then you have to wait until end of next year I guess. The small change of model Y is already in China now. The new cars will using the new method to build which more lower cost than the current version. Because they try to make car’s body in one piece.
I don't even own a Tesla but this was still very interesting. Thanks for taking the time.
Still have the 2020 Bolt EV, but the lower prices on Tesla makes them very tempting indeed.
The Mach E GT is interesting, but even with all the cash Ford's throwing at the dealers, there is still at least a $6,000 difference between the Mach E GT and a Model Y Performance.
I own a Tesla model S and recently rented a 2023 Bolt EV. OMG I couldn’t believe how much difference there was between these cars. The software, the max charging rate, everything was 1000% better in the Tesla. Even the model 3 is much much better than the Bolt. I don’t think most people realize the differences.
nice comparison, i appreciate the time, and effort you two put into this, on a wet night no less 👍
Yes the software update improved the on screen camera image, it's SIGNIFICANT. I could never use my side cameras on screen to switch lane, I would always use the mirrors to switch lane but with this improvement I can use the on screen images with confidence. I also completely agree, it was dumb to remove the USS sensors. Time will certainly tell. Great Video.
As usual, excellent content. The "purple haze" as you called it, the one saw in the HW3 previews is a classic example of "fringing", a result of (generally budget friendly cheap) lens' tendency to produce chromatic aberration.
Naw. Even Tesla's FSD engineers told the boss NOT to toss the radar and go for "Tesla Vision." It was a cost-saving decision, not a "better" solution. IMHO. As you conclude: "time will tell."
Would love to see or hear how well or not well Dave fits in the rear seat of the Model 3
Actually you don't have to type in service to access the camera so you can just scroll onto service and go to camera previews 😊
In my part of the world where the roads are constantly covered in wet mush the cameras on our 2020 Model 3 are basically useless. A camera in the headlight would make sense if it has a water jet to clean it. The removal of the parking sensors is why we have not replaced the Model 3.
Yes a video driving in service mode!!
You could also see the camera preview without going into service mode by just clicking the little car icon on the bottom left corner and clicking service then scrolling down a little and clicking camera preview 😄
I really, really love your dedication. Thanks for the video.
Great video guys, your shared videos have continually improved, giving fascinating content & fun factor, thanks so much.
Picking up a model y tomorrow, hoping for the best with free fsb for 3 months.
I was hoping in service mode you could drive with the camera preview. Bummer. FYI, you can see the camera preview in the regular service menu, don’t have to go to service mode.
Good comparison video! Software update really improved the camera clarity, fixed the red coloring issue too. HW3 M3 2023.
Instead of the real camera image for each camera, I prefer the default front image. generated by the car, displayed on the screen by default.
If only Tesla would install instrument cluster display on Model 3 like S and X. Desperately needed along with proper steering wheel stalk(s) for turn signals and wipers.
It seems HW3 applies color correction when cameras are viewed from the dashcam app or when shift into reverse. This doesn’t happen when looking at it through “Camera Preview”.
Had the camera alignment problem with 2020 MY HW3, took it in to Tesla and no more problem.
Hardware 4 likely eliminates the needs for narrow field of view camera because it has a higher resolutions camera. Some of the view suggest the use of CMOS cameras with the visible filter removes, pushing sensitivity to longer wavelengths. This will yield far more information, including quite a bit of the SWIR spectrum, which among other benefits can aid views through haze and fog.
(17:00) besides the interior colour difference, there also seems to be a focal length difference too…
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What devotion! Shooting in the rain 🌧. Kyle's there, now I k own Y!!!
I have FSD V3 on my TMYP and it works fine at night and in the rain to a point. It does glitch if the sun is in a certain angle or when the wipers are working fast. Ironically, my enhanced autopilot worked better before the stack merge.
Your Dad is a really neat guy. I enjoyed his input.
Service mode video sounds interesting, thank you for showing this option to us
Great stuff fellas! I had my first experience with a Tesla Model Y on a vacation to Phoenix (Hertz) and all I can say is: I want one!! Cheers
I really wish my Model 3 had a full 180 view rear view camera. Here in south Florida, people don’t let you keep going even when you’re half way out of the spot.
Easier to recognize HW4 vs HW3, is the length of the side turn light…on HW4 the light line is shorter
HW4 doesn't have the narrow camera in the front, this has been known from the beginning.
Notes that one of you went black and white in the Carbine. Is it perhaps a night camera that senses heat radiation, i.e. infrared light? And therefore can see under dark conditions. Much like digital binoculars or a surveillance camera
Good morning and thanks for another Saturday morning video!
Another great video!
How do you exit service mode? There is a button that you exit.
Is Autopilot/TACC speed control phantom braking reduced/eliminated with HW4? It's frustrating driving my 2023 Model Y LR w/HW3 when Autopilot/TACC speed control is engaged. It phantom brakes randomly. I'm on the latest version. Tesla has remote connected to my car and doesn't see any faults.
There must be a coating that you can buy that repels water. Also for glass panes
Just started but I think Kyle recorded the video. Hi kyle
you dont have to go to service mode to preview it the re is a camera preview mode in the service section where like ur camera calibration and like where ur miles are same thing just not in service mode
Let me know once the phantom breaking is finally gone. I was testing Model S Plaid with HW4 and it's still there 🤕
Now that's dedication. Making videos in the rain.j
I learn a lot watching your videos. In this one however it seems to me that there must be a better way to confirm whether one’s car runs on HW 4 than searching for a red dot inside the side camera. Isn’t the HW level clearly spelled out in the software info somewhere?
*If the cameras are well placed : “Why can’t my Tesla park itself?”*
Thumb looks like Dave is doing a seedy parking lot deal to sell his wife's car 😂
You can see all cameras in just Service (don’t need Service Mode) in recent software. Camera Preview.
Odd how well the "turn signal camera" in the Model 3 looked but how much better the Hdw4 looked in service mode.
The car’s cameras see more because they use infrared spectrum to see the road. That way rain and other things matter less. What you see in the camera is not what the computer sees
Real question does insurance drop when u get an only vision Tesla? Since it’s cheaper than putting scanners in the cars.
Great question that nobody is talking about.
The software update improved the video quality on HW3!
You look just like the director James Cameron
great video，Thank you for your compliment on the rain test comparison. I must say this video is excellent, and I really wanted to understand the differences between Hardware 4.0 and 3.0, as I previously believed it would be a crucial step in achieving full self-driving for Tesla. Unfortunately, I have learned that the latest Model Y is equipped with a scaled-down version of Hardware 4.0, which we might refer to as Hardware 3.5. This 3.5 hardware lacks the 4D HD radar, which provides essential support in rainy and low-light conditions to ensure safety. I recently ordered the rear-wheel-drive (RWD) Model Y, but I've seen that the versions in China have improved acceleration, now reaching 0-60 miles in just 5.9 seconds. This has made me contemplate canceling my order.
The latest Model Y does not have a scaled down version of hardware 4. It has hardware 4, and all the hardware it's supposed to have. What is scaled down is the software of FSD beta, which at some point will be added to what it should be. Not sure why the FSD beta software wasn't fixed to work with HW4 cars prior to the cars being sold.
@@Resist4 Thanks for reply. However, I don't think so. Based on the breakdown of the "green" version, we can clearly see that the long-range version of Model Y is equipped with HW3.5 but lacks essential processing power and the interface for 4D high-definition radar. This is why I ultimately decided to choose the cheapest Model Y RWD version.
Great comparison. Is there a difference between Freemont and Shanghai made cars in terms of camera quality?
Probably a difference in body q/c too. We won’t be getting the Chinese ones here, will we?
All we have ever had when driving is vision. I would think (hope?) that via software Tesla can improve the the vision capabilities to match the ultrasonic sensor results. I have noticed that issue with our 3 and Y. Why they did that is beyond me.
Agree, but it’s because people continue to buy the car. Tesla doesn’t care. They removed the sensors on a promise that vision would be better, more than a year ago. And listen to what some UA-camrs say, “ it’s no big deal”. If it’s not impacting sales, they don’t care.
HW 4 Cars don't have 3 front cameras, one is a dummy camera which is you check does not have the red "tint" to it.
Pretty sure HW4 downsamples video feed, so it is not accurate on the screen. But I can say, having used HW3 since 2021, the cameras are not high resolution enough to see a stop light at a distance. Lights will be green and the car keeps slowing down for quote a while.
Watched this for the dad jokes… guy is a killer
Very informative
Perhaps the big difference is the speed of the hardware 4.
What about autopilot vision. Does it see more things around?
For the cars that have the sensors are they still active or did Tesla disable them?
So say I paid $15,000 for FSD and it has Hardware 3. Since Level 5 isn't a thing now, let's say in 5 years it's possible. Will Tesla pay to upgrade my Hardware 3 to support FSD with Hardware ? (I assume it will be at least one or two more levels higher, i.e. Hardware 5 or 6.)
I have hw 3 on my 23 model y but the interior camera looks more like your hw4 example than the hw3 m3. Is the interior camera based more on the model than hw? or maybe the year?
As others have said there are only two windshield cameras on HW4 cars, they removed the narrow camera. How is it that you guys didn't know that? This is a known thing for like months now. And while the HW3 cars camera quality was greatly improved via software, it's still not as good as what HW4 cars have, because their camera hardware is much better. But the HW3 software upgrade to improve the video, is NOT like iPhone quality, sorry Kyle, not even close.
When I had a HW3 car it always got the camera degraded thing at night, so that isn't just a HW4 thing. The software just isn't there yet and not worth $12,000, and it will be many more years before it is ready.
Isn't it interesting that Tesla designed HW4 in such a way that it can't be retrofitted in HW3 cars. That was deliberate so they wouldn't have to give everyone that paid for FSD free hardware and if they wanted it then they would have to buy a new car. I feel that from now on Tesla will do this, which then makes buying FSD pointless and we might as well just "rent" it via the subscription model.
But yes, removing the ultra sonic sensors was a bad move. Those sensors have been in vehicles for decades because they work really well! Vision only on my car had me stop 5 feet from where I should have stopped to park inside my garage, it sucks!
Ur 2023 m3 rwd has fog lights? Aftermarket?
28:40 Re: Wants. I strongly agree with Munro that center/high mounted FLIR will eventually be a must, but is cost the reason no one has used it?
The one camera on one car seems to be more wide angle, however it is probably not as extremely wide angle as the camera in my Lenovo laptop
Tesla did nothing to address the critical problem with the B-pillar cameras. Obstructed views. The front wide view camera really cannot be used to determine whether it's safe to pull out so when the B-pillar is obstructed FSD is winging it. I have lots of examples of obstructed view corners that I have to disengage. No way FSD can see cars approaching from left and right. You can get to the camera preview by simply going to service and then scroll to the camera preview option. No need to go into service mode.
I thought FSD was capable of driving across the county since 2016? Was I mislead? LOL
You lost me really quick -- saying that HW4 has "9 cameras." HW3 has 0; HW4 has 8. Looking at service mode is cool, but you have no way of knowing whether that shows the full capability of the camera or not.
Would have been way easier to compare, if you had held your phones the same way. The way your father is holding his. You should do the video again, cut out the first 15 minutes, not in the rain, equal phones or GoPro cameras and zoom in on the camera views on the screen. All the talk isn't exactly nessesery.. But nice video tho!
@19:29 vs @19:39.. there's clearly a blindspot if you compare these 2 views.
Using i-phone as a benchmark for quality? Seriously?
The real improvements continues to be over looked. Improve the EV with the ability to fully charge from absolute 0 to 100 percent in 3 to 5 minutes, the same amount of time it takes to fully fuel a regular car and not 20 minutes or 20 hours. Increase range to atleast 500 miles. Improve the EV with these fine qualities and improvements, now we're talkin!!! I'll be the first one at the gates to buy one. Till then, I'll keep my jaguar XJl which i fully fuel up once a month, (once a month)! and takes me 3 to 5 minutes depending on wether or not i run in and grab a coffee. My range is 570 miles which supersedes any EV including the so called (long range) model Y which is currently only 330 miles. EVs are great and would be even greater if these improvements are applied. Till then, short down times and true long range is reserved for gas cars only and not EVs. This is one of the reasons why i like many would rather leave well enough alone. Besides, at 41 thousand dollars, my long range jaguar is paid off. I will take another look at the EV in 4 years when it's time to get another car.....
Humans only have two eyes. So if the Tesla has 9 eyes, eventually it will e better than any human.
Well.....each eye has 1.2MP or 5MP, depending on HW version. But the human eye has 576 MP with extremely good low light performance.
Sorry, this was unwatchable, the elements were against you. Would love to see this done again in better conditions.
because in real life FSD won't work in the rain anyway....
Elon strongly believes in the car doing with the same tools the human is equipped with. Eyes.. hence ‘vision only’.. just that the car does not have the human neck!! 😂.. taking away nothing from the fab assistance system
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Is it still financially irresponsible to not buy a Tesla because they're all going to be robotic taxis within the next year? LOLOLOL 😂😂😂😂🤑
According to Elon Musk, radar was discontinued because the combination of radar with vision led to a disambiguation problem between the signals of the two. Tesla is now experimenting with a new proprietary radar system in their new Model Ss and Xs
They removed radar to cut production costs, if it was due to "noise" every automaker would have dumped radar, whereas no other automaker has. Tesla's #1 goal right now is keep production costs down.
you really can't believe much of what Elon says anymore.
@InternetDude I'm aware. Especially, after he sold all of those shares last year. But, he revealed this "disambiguation problem" just a few days ago. Never heard that angle.