Regardless of your cartridge choice? As a long range shooter, hunter and former LE Sniper. That was one of the most informative and accurate break downs of terminal ballistics, energy for a lethal kill assessments that was backed up by data, experience, engineering that I have heard! I am not A Gunwerks customer, but Mr. Davidsons Knowledge and expertise in his field is impressive.
@@440capnhook development of bullets which ones? Or maybe you meant cartridges? It’s not what they did for the 7 rem mag, it’s what the 7 rem mag did for them!
Lol, one could say today that the 7mm rem mag is no where😅, because they can scarcely be found in any stores. I hardly ever see them and when I do there's only 1 or 2 options. Unless you can get the components for reloading, it's almost impossible to find any 7mm rem mag.
I found this podcast to be a fine discussion on the 7 PRC covering the other 7's alongside. Great job guy's. I'm really glad you commented on the belted magnums that I've grown to dislike as a handloader. Once again great podcast. Thanks,
I’m in the process of another building another big game rifle right now. (Long lead times) it was going to be in 28 nosler. After listening to this I called my barrel manufacturer today and switch it to 7prc. I didn’t know it was a thing when I originally ordered it. I’m not a band wagoner but I can’t deny that the proof is in the pudding. I have loaded for many different cartridges but by far I have had most success with 6.5 CM and 6.5 PRC in terms of ease of finding an accurate, good load that the rifle likes. I don’t know what Hornady is doing that makes those cartridges so accurate and easy to load but I’m sold and I’ll follow them to the 7 prc. ( no need for a 300 ) Thank you for your input
I just finished a 7mm Sherman Short Mag build. I almost jumped on the 7 LRM but held out. I love that the 7's are gaining more and more momentum again.
I purchased what I think is one of the original LR-1200 7MM Rem Mag rifles from these boys back in 2010 or 2011 Serial #CO457. It's equipped with a Nightforce NXS 5.5 22X50 scope with a yardage turret setup with the BC and MV for this cartridge. The rifle didn't come with a muzzle break so I had a reputable gunsmith install a very nice stainless break which really helps with recoil. Rifle weighs in at about 10lbs so hiking around the high country is not for the faint of heart! Gunwerks provided me with the load data for the rifle; 168 Berger 70.7 g H1000-3.420 COAL which I convert to 2.716 CBTO. Have always had this rifle zeroed at 500 yds. I was a hunting guide for many years in British Columbia and that rifle has seen a ton of high country. This rifle still shoots very accurately. I just had my gunsmith run a bore scope down the tube and while there is some minor throat erosion the rifling still looks awesome. Over the years I convinced more than a few hunters to invest in these platforms. Can't think of a single reason I would part with ol "Grizz"...Awesome rifle.
I began me long range shooting after watching your show many years ago. I shoot a 7mm Sendero with the 168 Berger bullet at 3040 fps at the muzzle. This past spring I broke my 1 mile record by stretching it out to 2165 yards on a 40" target with several consecutive hits in a row, I think 6 hits. I just wanted to thank you for the motivation to get me started.
I’m a 6.5/284 kind of guy myself but have been thinking about a 7-PRC love what Aaron has shared because I’ve always loved my 7mm. Rem Mag but thought it could have been better.
Great info. I shoot a 280ai, 7 rem mag, 7 dakota and 28 nosler. Looking fwd to a 7 prc. With limited ammo supplies the 7 rem mag is the easiest to get components for. I'm sure someday that will change
A few hunters picked up some very affordable 7prc rifles from mossberg.. out of the box .54 grouping from hunting ammo... i was impressed. They are fun to shoot compared to 338x378 Weatherby The money saved on not needing to develop a load...and something all my kids can shoot.. all a major plus ++++
6 years ago, I rebarreled a 300WM Savage 116 to 7SAUM for 175gn LR competition; I soured on it though when I took it elk hunting and realized all of the wasted action length and weight wasn't ideal for hunting. I always liked the SAUM concept, but it wasn't designed for the 175's and longer in the short action. Now the PRC comes out, and I see exactly what I was looking for in the 7SAUM- it will allow use of the 175's and be space efficient in a long action. Now I have to find a buyer for my SAUM barrel and loading dies.
Excellent discussion and information. I've owned and hunted with many of the conventional calibers from .223 to 300WM including 7 Rem Mag. Over time I settled on .308. When 6.5 Creed came out I was interested, but not enough to buy in. I wanted comparable bullet weights to my .308 but with 6.5 Creed ballistics. 300PRC came along and it's cool, but it's too far the other direction in terms of bullet weight and recoil. When I heard about 7PRC it sounded like it may be the round I'm looking for. After listening to your more in depth discussion I am more convinced 7PRC will be a rifle I'll have to own. Thank you!
All you need is 3.6" Action/Magazine to reload 7mm Rem Mag with the longer bullets(I don't expect to load/shoot anything heavier than 180Grns in 7MM anyway)(190 Accubonds the heaviest). Same performace as the 7PRC. Midway has 18 Available cartriges in 7RM for only 3 7PRC. On the drawing board a lightweight 7MM, might go with the 280 AI
Interesting discussion and lot's of info to ponder. Being an armchair ballistician and only having limited published data on the 7PRC ballistics it seems to me that this cartridge has the potential to replace 2 old veterans...the 7rm and 300wm. it surpasses the 7rm in all aspects and at hunting ranges generally equals and eventually surpasses the 300wm the further downrange you get...and it does it with less recoil If I'm chasing Dall sheep across the Brooks Range, I would much rather tote a 8lb 7prc up and down those mountains, especially knowing that it can reach out and touch that ram waaay over there. Any animal that you would reach for the 300wm you could just as effectively handle with the 7prc. jm2c.
I do a lot of 7s the 28 Nosler being my favorite up to now . I’m looking forward to doing some 7 prc for sure! I’ve said for a long time 7 is king on long range hunting. Enjoyed the podcast!
@@Gunwerks This has been a surprisingly-good discussion. What do you say about 7mm WSM vs 7mm PRC? I’m looking at the data between both and Hornady’s data shows 7mm WSM within 50fps of 7mm PRC with 180gr. Also, have you experimented with the ABLR projectile line? I heard you mention an issue with bonded bullets and accuracy. Have you not seen the type of accuracy you want with the ABLRs?
And another 7PRC podcast, Hornady really put a lot of money into the preview of this cartridge. I like that someone will be able to buy a rifle with a barrel twist that shoots 180's. I'll keep my 7 saum as there really isn't an improvement for me.
@@LRRPFco52 24 inch, 8 twist, I don't know the exact freebore, it was a prefit that was supposed to be .188 but that wasn't what I got, it was sammi spec. So I loaded up a new case and a 180 ELDm, seated it where I wanted it and they reamed it to match, it's for a Tikka LA. It's probably about .240, it's close to 3.2 OAL. Still working up a load, first good node was just over 2800 fps with the 180 and 60 grains of 4831sc Need to get back to the range with the next group of loads. Looking for something in the 2900 range without stressing the brass, otherwise 2800 works just fine.
My solution for the 28nos recoil was to be okay with having a 11lb rifle instead of 8 or 9lb rifle. But! I prefer a little heavier set up so the extra weight isn't something I consider an issue. I just accept I'm gonna be a little heavier going up the mountain.
This is off topic, but what do you think about the new 8.6mm with a 1 in 3 twist? Your knowledge and thought process are right on spot. Thank you for your thoughts.
I left the 7mag to go to the 300prc because I thought I needed it for elk but quickly realized I didn’t like it between the recoil and the price of components I went back to 7mag. Now I need a new barrel for the 7mag so hopefully the 7prc catches on because it looks like a good cartridge
ill stay with my 300 prc with components expensive and bullets , primer brass , powder a pain to get im not jumping on a new cartridge the bc on the 230 atip is hard to beat
I think it will catch on! This ain't no band wagon. Its going to be a freight train. It's going to roll hard! It's going to roll over and squish the 6.5. I'm so sick of the over stated performance of the 6.5 on heavier game at distance. They squeezed all they could have out of the 6.5 before dropping this. Your the kinda guy they want, as well as me. But I didn't bite on the 300 or the 6.5. But I'm going to bite on this one.
@@blaiz4 I really like the 300 as well! It's a great design. I think the 300 PRC is the king of the 300's. But since I'm set up with a 300 win mag, I'll stay with that. I have an action for the 7 prc, so I'll get set up for that.
@@blaiz4 I went back to 7 mag a year ago I already had almost everything for it now it’s time for new barrel and all I really need is dies and brass for the 7 PRC I already got almost every 284 caliber bullets they make
I've never missed an animal because of heavy recoil😊 Hey 7mm is great, but in my hunting world experiences, 30 caliber and up, kill big game quicker! Especially the 338 on elk. But I will build and try a 7 PRC. Hey, what caliber do military Snipers prefer these days? Are they concerned about recoil?
One of those guy We don't need another 7mm Well after hearing this. Okay I sold. Awesome. Only problem is what do I do with all 7 mm now. Guess I'll wait until I shoot out the barrels
My suppressed 28 Nosler is an absolute dream to shoot! You build suppressors so I find it odd you didn't suppress the 28 to take the recoil out of it and add a little weight!
We shoot almost everything suppressed. However, suppressors are not nearly as effective at recoil reduction as brakes are. Most guys want light guns with big rounds. That combo is tough for most guys to shoot. The 7 PRC is much more manageable in most hunting weight rifles than the 28. Utlimately, all great options, just slight variations to fit everyone's preferences.
I hope the 7 prc takes off so I can find brass much easier for the 7 saum. 3000+ fps with 63 grains. That's a 175 grain bullet seated further out in a tikka long action.
My favorite LR combo is my 28Nosler with a 300 freebore and Berger EOL 195gr bullets. Load those up with 92 grains US869 ball powder and they will produce 3100fps with my 1:8 twist 28in barrel. Just buy two or three barrels at a time 😁
Arron. Have y’all tried necking down a 300 PRC to 7 MM? If so is it worth it? That 195 Grain Berger is a beast of a bullet in that 2850-2950 FPS Range.
Hey Aaron, I'm Just Curious about knowing if my Gunwerks LR 1200 Ti 7LRM seral # G1049 if it's it a first version brass or a second that can use Hornady brass or NOT. When I bought the gun I all so bought 200 pieces of Brass and the Hornady dies and bushing and 10 boxes Range Loaded rounds. So Have LOTS of brass LOL. But just want to know to be able to tell whoever I Pass it on to when I can't use it anymore so they know. Love this package/system I got from you guys (Night Force 4-22x50 Zero stop, level, G7-BR2, Wind meter, Atlas Bipod, KG Feild clean and Home cleaning kits & rods and the Case).👍🏿🤘🏿
Hey can we make some common caliber ammo so we can? 1. Find it 2. Buy more than 1 box at a time 3. Afford it I know this is so innovative, 7PRC is so awesome, but it’s just a 7Mag with a high BC bullet great 👍 👏 but meanwhile as all this time and money is being spent on a new cartridge ammo shelves are empty. Does that make any sense? If it does your special! Very special!
I went back and listened to Hornady’s 7mm prc UA-cam video. They are giving homage to the 7 rem mag for the 7 prc. I’ve listened to this several times and then researched the 7 LRM a bit. Look at your picture for this video. Hornady was making your LRM brass. Hornady’s story is not adding up. Cudo’s to Gunwerks for leading the way. Sometimes business partners put us in awkward positions. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Would love to see ammo manufacturer supporting the older standby cartridges that they do a very goo. job better than what they do but on the handloader side of me I'd love to see a 6mm PRC
I get what Hornady is doing with these cartridge designs. making a longer throat allowing the bullet to be seated out farther, allowing for more powder in the case. Getting rid of the unnecessary belt is awesome. Me and my buddy are coyote hunters, we’ve been talking about, how long before Hornady releases a 6PRC. The.22 caliber already has the gammet covered pretty well. I see some room for in the 6mm caliber that would be of interest to the bench rest guys and hunters alike.
If you have 2 rifles, both same except brass cartrige size, (7 saum vs 7 prc) adjust same powder so bullets leave barrels at same velocity, why would there be different results ?
As someone that has reloaded for many years, I have always hated the magnum belts, so I have stayed away for 20+ years now. So I have always chosen non belt options since then. Like I totally prefer the 375 Ruger over the 375 H&H and I really love the 375 Ruger. And I liked the idea of the 264 Rem Mag, but didn't like the belt, so I built a 6.5-06 instead and it is an amazing deer cartridge that I also have used on moose with great success. I have shot 250-300 deer of different kinds with my 6.5-06 and it has never let me down.
Your point is probably corect but how I see it, it's the large scale distribution of this product. It's also to drive sales. But it is going to be a great product.
I was always under the impression that the match bullets should not be used on game because they do not handle expansion well sounds like you guys use the ELD -m for hunting is that correct?
7mm prc is what the saum and wsm should of been if they would or gave up on the shorter actions and lengthened the throat to accept the longer high bc bullets. Don’t get me wrong I love my 7mm wsm and not giving it up anytime soon. Really the prc idea comes from guys loading high bc bullets in the short magnums but running into seating issues and powder compaction issues so hornady took a short fat magnum case lengthened the throat to seat the higher bc bullets.
If I were to build another magnum today. It would hands down be a 300 normal improved. If you can shoot 230 berger or A tips at 3100fps or a 245 eol berger at 3000. With a shorter fatter case (lapua bolt face) able to load the heavy for caliber bullets long and still fit in the mags (wyatts)is the way to go. BC'S are just as high with the new 30 cal high BC bullets as the 7mm are or better. With the proper break you can shoot the big 30 and still spot impacts.
Yeah, I like you guys, at least what your saying. This 7 prc makes the 7mm Practical obsolete. In my mind any way. And of course the 7mm Rem Mag. Which in some ways is kinda sad.
I’m confident it would not be advantageous for you to mention which particular tipped bullet you switched to from VLD. But I’m still curious. We know it’s not bonded so that only leaves a few copper monos that are tipped. Better for you to stay neutral. Enjoyed the podcast
There's no one bullet to rule them all. We've had great luck with the VLD style bullets. We've also done really well with the Hornady ELDM and ELX-X (if you can get it to shoot). Plenty of other great bullets out there as well. Just needs to be matched to the game you're hunting, and the cartridge you're shooting, hopefully with a good BC and terminal performance.
I am hearing a lot of good things about the 7 PRC. My favorite round is the .308 Win which is fine for my hunting, cheap and efficient. But what sold me on the efficacy of 7 mm Rem Mag for long range or western hunting was the Gunwerks video where the host here and his son and a few others went elk hunting and got one at over 1,300 yards. The kid was good and kept his cool, corrected for wind and got the second shot as a solid hit. The elk was deceased before he piled up in the tree. And they harvested it, too. A few people have said that was an unethical shot. I disagree. If the shooter and the system are capable of a confident shot, it is just fine and how far you have to walk to get the meat is secondary. Would I get a 7 PRC? Maybe but everything is hard to get right now. 7 mm Rem Mag is more readily available,
Ive shot both the 7PRC and my 7 SAUM.. Other than Hornady being a Master at Advertizing & Promotion of new products. The Only advantage the 7PRC has over my 7 SAUM is that Hornady will get the gun manufacturers to build thes new 7PRFC's . Becausethe 7 PRC will not out shoot the7 SAUM using the same bullet and sa,me powder and same barrel length. So you tell me why the 7 PRC is the best choice.
Factory ammo. I have a 7 saum as well but you have to reload for it. There will be factory ammo available with 180 bullets. You don't see that with a 7 rem, and they don't make rifles and barrels for heavier bullets in the 7 Rem. You can certainly build one yourself.
Thats the problem. The 7 rem mag requires a custom rifle to shoot accurately compared to the 7mm PRC. I have a factory browning a bolt that I struggle to get MOA out of (usually 1.25-1.5). I don't want to get rid of it, but accuracy then becomes the bottleneck to shoot (hunt) long range. The saami specs for the 7 rem mag just don't seem to lend itself to accuracy in a factory rifle compared to the new 6.5 creedmoor, 6.5 PRC and 7 PRC, or am I missing something? Isn't my browning a bolt built with looser chamber / throat / free bore tolerances than a PRC? Obviously a 9.5 twist rate vs 8. I absolutely love the ballistics of a 7 rem mag but no way I am going to spend thousands on a custom rifle. What say you?
No one has said much so may I suggest an EC Tuner brake. I don’t even mess with bullet depth anymore. I get the speed I want with the bullet I want and Tune it in. Feels like kind of cheating but with the cost of components I can quickly get sub moa loads and just go to shooting.
The 7 Rem Mag is great, but as you mentioned, there are limitations. You can usually get a 168gr class bullet to stabilize well in a Rem Mag with factory twist rates, but much more than that and you usually need a custom rifle with faster twist to really do it right. That's where the 7 PRC will shine! Definitely our pick if it's available!
I have always been a big 7 guy. My first 7rem mag was in 2001 at the time for recoil and grange In Taking NA game it on paper was about the best option at that time. I’d like to see a breakdown why someone would choose a 7 PRC over the 300 PRC unless your getting into recoil management between the 2. It appears to me if u have one you don’t need the other
You don’t necessarily need both but the 7 is the better overall cartridge imo. Less recoil and a higher BC it just seems like a more reasonable option for me especially because I can get it in the shorter action. That being said the 300 can do everything that the 7 can with a bit more energy but the 7 is more practical for me personally.
As good as it is and it is very good. But the fire it made spread too far as it is not a long range elk cartridge. It was over stated and squeeze for all it was worth before they released the 7 prc. I think this 7 prc will be bigger then the 6.5 craze. And I'm glad!
@@jamesmooney5348 The number of elk/moose hunters vs deer, antelope, hog, black bear, caribou, STEEL RINGERS should open wider your market appreciation for the CM.
I neck size my 7 mag brass. No special dies just set full length die to size next only. After they are fire formed i get sub moa accuracy and case life is outstanding. The belt is irrelevant.
"What the 7 Rem Mag should have been", ?? really?? NO! Les Bowman did a great job with it. He was cutting edge in those times. He was a great gun builder, as was P.O. Ackely and Roy Weatherby. As well as icon Jack O'Conner. We stand on their work. What I don't like is when shooters don't know who these men are.
These Gunwerks guys can be a little irritating but I’m going to defend Aaron a little bit. I think what he was saying that with the Exteme long range community they saved the 7 rem mag??
@@bobmcmillen4502 I definitely listen to what Aaron has to say. I do believe he is one of the prominent people in this industry. To save something, it would have to be in jeopardy of fading way. I never new the 7mm rem mag was in thart category. Let alone to single handedly save it. I believe that statement was a bit much. And, they might make some statements just cause worthless debate (idk???) To give credit where it's due, the shots these guys make is impressive! And inspires the industry. But so do other long range professional shooters. They aren't the only ones who know and do this stuff. Now, I believe the 280 rem, at times, was in jeopardy of fading away. But I doubt the 7 rem mag ever was...
@@jamesmooney5348 I agree. But one does wonder about editing and how many missed shots they don’t show on camera? They have inspired me to reload and shoot long distance. I got my milk jug at 1000 yrd w 3 shots w no spotter, seeing my misses and adjusting. The 1000 yard boys seem to give themselves 10 shots. They are challenging the norms and causing the ethical hunting discussion. Vertical is easy. The wind is what challenges ethics. How good are you on first hits, with fairly big winds?
Trying to kill a bull elk at 1200yds? Are you kidding? I’m done listening to this nonsense. We have 20yr old kids taking shots at elk and deer, with 6.5, at 800 or more yards because they heard all the talk on the internet. Most of the did not get their game they were shooting at but they would try and shoot other elk or deer. Wasted animals. The 7mag is a wonder cartridge in the right conditions especially if you reload with high B.C. Bullets. It’s all about ethics. I understand these guys have a business promoting long range shooting. They make money this way. What you do over a shooting bench for long range accuracy is one thing. But when you take the shooting bench issues to the field and try to kill animals is another thing. It’s wrong and makes all hunters look bad to the non hunters. You need to do your homework in the spring and summer to figure out what the animals are doing. You have to get in the field to do this. It’s all about ethic’s, gentlemen.
The Nosler ABLR, according to Nosler, will expand at 1300 fps. If that’s true, I’m not sure how you long range boys aren’t on that band wagon. I load them and they shoot sub moa all day long in my 6.5 prc, 270 win, and my 7rem mag. That takes my 7rem mag with a 175 gr ABLR out to 1550 yards. You guys need to get on the Nosler band wagon. Just wondering why not?
After I said that you said you couldn’t get bonded bullets to shoot good groups. I shoot sub moa groups in three different calibers hand loading heavy for caliber Nosler ABLR’s. You guys have be way better at loading than I am. Not making sense.
@@bobmcmillen4502 Just sub-moa is not good enough for what we do. We also load ammunition that needs to be capable in a wide variety of rifles. "match" style bullets simply shoot better and more reliably for precision than bonded bullets just by the nature of how they're manufactured. If you've had good luck with bonded bullets, good on ya! They certainly CAN shoot well in some rifles with the right combo and are great for many hunting applications.
@@Gunwerks I found an older podcast with on Oneilops and Aaron Davidson explained that Gunwerks “ makes guns to shoot our ammo”. As I’ve thought about your business model I thought that must be what you guys do and it was one of those ah ha moments of “ I knew that’s what they were doing.” I’m not a gunsmith but logically that has to be very hard to do as reamers would have to wear out slowly… etc. Hats off to you guys to be able to maintain that quality of workmanship!
Aaron, sell me the prc... I been wanting a sa been looking at 7wsm and 7 saum. Ok the prc is long action. Ok i have 7stw 7rum and 28nos. So only thing i can see is less powder. So now why would i need the prc ?
I’d say twist rate, recoil, and what you already said efficiency. They said a few times if you have something you like stay with it if you’re looking for something new PRC is it.
I will stick with 7mm Rem mag. Shooting a 195gn Berger in a saami chamber at 2910. If I could get n570 I could get 3000. I hit 2980 with the powder I had but backed it off.
@@jjsemperfi that is because as you go up in bullet weight you gain efficiency in the 7mm Rem mag. I am using Retumbo. But the ones reporting better numbers than me is using RL33 and N565, N568, N570
@@jjsemperfi also to note the max saami chamber can be as much as .019 thou from a full length resized case so if you fire form the case twice you get more case capacity. I did that for a while and not doing that anymore. I fire formed 3 cases 3 times each and sent them off to whidden to have a hydro die made so I don’t have to wear out my barrel as fast every time I need a new piece of brass.
Fun conversation, but should be listened to with a single thing in mind: " statements made here are opinions only" couple of statements made in this video are ridiculous on the face. I laughed out loud when I heard "you're going to NEED to shoot an elk from 1200 yards". I have no doubt you guys can shoot, but if you NEED to shoot any animal from 1200 yards, you should practice hunting, because your shooting is fine, you just can't hunt all that well. Just my opinion.
Elk at 1200 yards? Not ethical hunting. I don't care how great of a shot you are or how well you know your rifle and cartridge. It is NOT ethical. Too many things can go wrong in the time between when you pull the trigger and when the bullet strikes the target. What ever happened to getting close to an animal to insure a clean kill?
Disagree on your bonded bullet take. I shoot great sub moa groups with the Nosler ABLR. Can’t believe you’ve had a different experience than I have???? That’s in 3 different guns. Heavy for calliber Nosler ABLR’s are money.
@@deadreckoningoutdoors Well, cause game is lost this way and they probably dont know it. I'd say most people are under gunned, don't have training, don't have a good spotter and not videoing. Even with a good camera guy recording and a good spotter watching, game can be undetermined if even hit. It's an arrogance ignorance that some hunters think they are Fonz from Happy Days, thinking they have the magic touch. And then to be sized w/a gun that is in the lower end of kill potential for large game. I think the guys at Fun Werks I mean Gun Werks are very well trained, have the best optics and very well gunned in the large game killing needs. And that's what you need. These things are a must. If you don't have the tools and team who is training and experienced, you really shouldn't be shooting at distance. Yes, I have lost game before. Not fun. But not at distance. I was brush hunting. Not sure what happened. The standard American is too proud, ignorant and arrogant. And that's one reason this Nation is swirling the toilet 🚽 bowl before its end. Our only hope is Jesus Christ. To be born again. To have your name written in the Lambs book of life, is the goal. Jesus is King.
In most cases it is unethical!!! Unless its a highly trained team, the best optics, camera and rifle and a rifle cartridge that's at the upper end of killing potential for that game, in consistent readable conditions it'll work out very well. But most are not the above stated and lose game. They either don't know they hit the game or don't care. Welcome to America 2022! But even as great as this 7 prc is, game could still be lost. People really need to get professional training, have a trained and experienced team of 3, have the best optics, camera, rifle and shooting a cartridge thats at the upper end of killing potential for the game at hand. And know when to say, "No, I'm not taking this shot." Rugged mountain winter weather is very hard to read. I would like to see when the Gun Werks guys don't shoot...
ill stick with my 300 weatherby magnum 180 grain, for life. and will stay ignorant to anything else created, all these irrelevant rifle rounds being created in the past 20 yrs dont inspire me, in fact they suck, light rounds packed with a shit ton of powder behind them are cool and super fast until a lil bit of wind comes into play then all that lightness gets pushed left or right quickly & off target at long distances, seen it happen enoigh to know, nothing like a heavier faster bullet, it just makes more sense to me............
The books are filled with dead 7’s. 7mm Gibbs, 7mm/350, 7mm Smith, 7mm Dakota, 7 WSM and probably the best 7mm ICL. The 7 PRC will end up on this list.
Not ethical in my book. I can shoot steel at 1200 all day long but it takes one step from that animal (That's about 1.5 seconds of bullet flight) and you now have a hind quarter shot, or gut. I don't care if you can shoot bullet holes over and over at 1200, not ethical to shoot animals that far as far as I'm concerned.
Nope. The kind of guys that brag and advertise about how far they shoot animals are also the guys that keep their mouth shut when they limp away. If you can talk out loud and not have your quarry hear you, you’re too far. My line ~ 500yds. THE line? past 750 I’d say in a sliding scale of ethics
I am sorry but shooting big game out that far is unethical. Anyone who has spent anytime shooting long range (past 600yrds) knows a slight gust of wind, a bit of a shift in eye relief even the beating of your own heart can change a bullets path drastically when you stretch it out at long range. I prefer to practice two ethical disciplines, One: Shooting my game animals at ethical distances that give the best chance for a clean quick death and Two: Shooting well built well crafted rifles designed to hit the smallest group possible at a very long range (a miss on paper does not cause a long painful death). I feel that merging these two disciplines into one unethical discipline is just not right. For every video you see on UA-cam of some chuckle head hitting a big game animal out past 1000yrds and killing it, there are several more that are not posted of wounded animals that were never recovered. It’s a free country and do what you want, but I think this trend is hurting the hunting industry and making people think that 1000yrd shot is fine even when they have never tried it earlier. Just my two cents.
Regardless of your cartridge choice? As a long range shooter, hunter and former LE Sniper. That was one of the most informative and accurate break downs of terminal ballistics, energy for a lethal kill assessments that was backed up by data, experience, engineering that I have heard! I am not A Gunwerks customer, but Mr. Davidsons Knowledge and expertise in his field is impressive.
“I think Gunwerks single handily saved the 7mm rem mag from extinction” come on now 😂, the 7 rem mag has always been there and isn’t going anywhere!
i think what hes saying was they pushed the further development of bullets and such wich i believe they did.
@@440capnhook development of bullets which ones? Or maybe you meant cartridges? It’s not what they did for the 7 rem mag, it’s what the 7 rem mag did for them!
No I meant bullets super high bc bullets really weren't available in 7mm like they are now. Even though the 7 mag has been around forever.
Bullshit its a stupid round far superior
Lol, one could say today that the 7mm rem mag is no where😅, because they can scarcely be found in any stores. I hardly ever see them and when I do there's only 1 or 2 options. Unless you can get the components for reloading, it's almost impossible to find any 7mm rem mag.
I found this podcast to be a fine discussion on the 7 PRC covering the other 7's alongside. Great job guy's. I'm really glad you commented on the belted magnums that I've grown to dislike as a handloader. Once again great podcast.
Thanks,
Wow, that's the most fascinating, interesting podcast I have ever heard. Aaron is so dang knowledgeable. As a reloader, he had me captivated.
I’m in the process of another building another big game rifle right now. (Long lead times) it was going to be in 28 nosler. After listening to this I called my barrel manufacturer today and switch it to 7prc. I didn’t know it was a thing when I originally ordered it. I’m not a band wagoner but I can’t deny that the proof is in the pudding. I have loaded for many different cartridges but by far I have had most success with 6.5 CM and 6.5 PRC in terms of ease of finding an accurate, good load that the rifle likes. I don’t know what Hornady is doing that makes those cartridges so accurate and easy to load but I’m sold and I’ll follow them to the 7 prc. ( no need for a 300 )
Thank you for your input
the berger 180.....true game changer forever and what a great conversation about cartridge development
I just finished a 7mm Sherman Short Mag build. I almost jumped on the 7 LRM but held out. I love that the 7's are gaining more and more momentum again.
That 7mm Sherman Short Mag looks really interesting.
I purchased what I think is one of the original LR-1200 7MM Rem Mag rifles from these boys back in 2010 or 2011 Serial #CO457. It's equipped with a Nightforce NXS 5.5 22X50 scope with a yardage turret setup with the BC and MV for this cartridge. The rifle didn't come with a muzzle break so I had a reputable gunsmith install a very nice stainless break which really helps with recoil. Rifle weighs in at about 10lbs so hiking around the high country is not for the faint of heart! Gunwerks provided me with the load data for the rifle; 168 Berger 70.7 g H1000-3.420 COAL which I convert to 2.716 CBTO. Have always had this rifle zeroed at 500 yds. I was a hunting guide for many years in British Columbia and that rifle has seen a ton of high country. This rifle still shoots very accurately. I just had my gunsmith run a bore scope down the tube and while there is some minor throat erosion the rifling still looks awesome. Over the years I convinced more than a few hunters to invest in these platforms. Can't think of a single reason I would part with ol "Grizz"...Awesome rifle.
We love hearing stories like this, Rob! While the technology has come a long way, those original Gunwerks systems are still doing work!
I began me long range shooting after watching your show many years ago. I shoot a 7mm Sendero with the 168 Berger bullet at 3040 fps at the muzzle. This past spring I broke my 1 mile record by stretching it out to 2165 yards on a 40" target with several consecutive hits in a row, I think 6 hits. I just wanted to thank you for the motivation to get me started.
I’m a 6.5/284 kind of guy myself but have been thinking about a 7-PRC love what Aaron has shared because I’ve always loved my 7mm. Rem Mag but thought it could have been better.
Thanks for the frank comments and the perspective of your own experience and history.
Great info. I shoot a 280ai, 7 rem mag, 7 dakota and 28 nosler. Looking fwd to a 7 prc. With limited ammo supplies the 7 rem mag is the easiest to get components for. I'm sure someday that will change
A few hunters picked up some very affordable 7prc rifles from mossberg.. out of the box .54 grouping from hunting ammo... i was impressed. They are fun to shoot compared to 338x378 Weatherby
The money saved on not needing to develop a load...and something all my kids can shoot.. all a major plus ++++
6 years ago, I rebarreled a 300WM Savage 116 to 7SAUM for 175gn LR competition; I soured on it though when I took it elk hunting and realized all of the wasted action length and weight wasn't ideal for hunting. I always liked the SAUM concept, but it wasn't designed for the 175's and longer in the short action.
Now the PRC comes out, and I see exactly what I was looking for in the 7SAUM- it will allow use of the 175's and be space efficient in a long action. Now I have to find a buyer for my SAUM barrel and loading dies.
I love my 7mm's. .284 Win, 7mm Rem mag, 7-08 etc. This was a great discussion. My next build may just be a 7PRC.
I'm in love with my 6.5 CM. I'm astounded at the efficiency and accuracy with the 147 eld-m at long range. I won't be changing any time soon.
Excellent discussion and information. I've owned and hunted with many of the conventional calibers from .223 to 300WM including 7 Rem Mag. Over time I settled on .308. When 6.5 Creed came out I was interested, but not enough to buy in. I wanted comparable bullet weights to my .308 but with 6.5 Creed ballistics. 300PRC came along and it's cool, but it's too far the other direction in terms of bullet weight and recoil. When I heard about 7PRC it sounded like it may be the round I'm looking for. After listening to your more in depth discussion I am more convinced 7PRC will be a rifle I'll have to own. Thank you!
All you need is 3.6" Action/Magazine to reload 7mm Rem Mag with the longer bullets(I don't expect to load/shoot anything heavier than 180Grns in 7MM anyway)(190 Accubonds the heaviest). Same performace as the 7PRC. Midway has 18 Available cartriges in 7RM for only 3 7PRC. On the drawing board a lightweight 7MM, might go with the 280 AI
Interesting discussion and lot's of info to ponder. Being an armchair ballistician and only having limited published data on the 7PRC ballistics it seems to me that this cartridge has the potential to replace 2 old veterans...the 7rm and 300wm. it surpasses the 7rm in all aspects and at hunting ranges generally equals and eventually surpasses the 300wm the further downrange you get...and it does it with less recoil If I'm chasing Dall sheep across the Brooks Range, I would much rather tote a 8lb 7prc up and down those mountains, especially knowing that it can reach out and touch that ram waaay over there. Any animal that you would reach for the 300wm you could just as effectively handle with the 7prc. jm2c.
Lots of info! Great discussion!
I like how you guys don’t bash other companies
I do a lot of 7s the 28 Nosler being my favorite up to now .
I’m looking forward to doing some 7 prc for sure!
I’ve said for a long time 7 is king on long range hunting.
Enjoyed the podcast!
For long range big game, it's definitely our favorite!
@@Gunwerks This has been a surprisingly-good discussion. What do you say about 7mm WSM vs 7mm PRC? I’m looking at the data between both and Hornady’s data shows 7mm WSM within 50fps of 7mm PRC with 180gr. Also, have you experimented with the ABLR projectile line? I heard you mention an issue with bonded bullets and accuracy. Have you not seen the type of accuracy you want with the ABLRs?
I’ve always wanted a cartridge named “shockwave.” I can see it now rebrand 7 LRM as a magnum length like the 300 prc. Introducing, the 7mm Shockwave!
How about the 7mm GOAT 🐐
And another 7PRC podcast, Hornady really put a lot of money into the preview of this cartridge. I like that someone will be able to buy a rifle with a barrel twist that shoots 180's. I'll keep my 7 saum as there really isn't an improvement for me.
What pipe length, twist, and throat are you using with your 7 SAUM? I love 7 SAUM as well. I’m also looking at 7mm WSM.
@@LRRPFco52 24 inch, 8 twist, I don't know the exact freebore, it was a prefit that was supposed to be .188 but that wasn't what I got, it was sammi spec. So I loaded up a new case and a 180 ELDm, seated it where I wanted it and they reamed it to match, it's for a Tikka LA. It's probably about .240, it's close to 3.2 OAL. Still working up a load, first good node was just over 2800 fps with the 180 and 60 grains of 4831sc Need to get back to the range with the next group of loads. Looking for something in the 2900 range without stressing the brass, otherwise 2800 works just fine.
My solution for the 28nos recoil was to be okay with having a 11lb rifle instead of 8 or 9lb rifle. But! I prefer a little heavier set up so the extra weight isn't something I consider an issue. I just accept I'm gonna be a little heavier going up the mountain.
This is off topic, but what do you think about the new 8.6mm with a 1 in 3 twist? Your knowledge and thought process are right on spot. Thank you for your thoughts.
I'm in! When we get caught up I'll try making some barrels
You got to have Lapua make the the brass to have a world beater cartridge.
Great honest podcast!! Solid information.
I left the 7mag to go to the 300prc because I thought I needed it for elk but quickly realized I didn’t like it between the recoil and the price of components I went back to 7mag. Now I need a new barrel for the 7mag so hopefully the 7prc catches on because it looks like a good cartridge
We're pretty confident it's here to stay! Essentially everything the 7 Rem Mag COULD be, but in a modernized case design.
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stay with my 300 prc
with components expensive and bullets , primer brass , powder a pain to get im not jumping on a new cartridge the bc on the 230 atip is hard to beat
I think it will catch on! This ain't no band wagon. Its going to be a freight train. It's going to roll hard! It's going to roll over and squish the 6.5. I'm so sick of the over stated performance of the 6.5 on heavier game at distance. They squeezed all they could have out of the 6.5 before dropping this. Your the kinda guy they want, as well as me. But I didn't bite on the 300 or the 6.5. But I'm going to bite on this one.
@@blaiz4 I really like the 300 as well! It's a great design. I think the 300 PRC is the king of the 300's. But since I'm set up with a 300 win mag, I'll stay with that.
I have an action for the 7 prc, so I'll get set up for that.
@@blaiz4 I went back to 7 mag a year ago I already had almost everything for it now it’s time for new barrel and all I really need is dies and brass for the 7 PRC I already got almost every 284 caliber bullets they make
I've never missed an animal because of heavy recoil😊 Hey 7mm is great, but in my hunting world experiences, 30 caliber and up, kill big game quicker! Especially the 338 on elk. But I will build and try a 7 PRC. Hey, what caliber do military Snipers prefer these days? Are they concerned about recoil?
What do you fully regard from the 6.8 western for an "older" hunter-plinker
One of those guy
We don't need another 7mm
Well after hearing this.
Okay I sold.
Awesome.
Only problem is what do I do with all 7 mm now.
Guess I'll wait until I shoot out the barrels
My suppressed 28 Nosler is an absolute dream to shoot! You build suppressors so I find it odd you didn't suppress the 28 to take the recoil out of it and add a little weight!
We shoot almost everything suppressed. However, suppressors are not nearly as effective at recoil reduction as brakes are. Most guys want light guns with big rounds. That combo is tough for most guys to shoot. The 7 PRC is much more manageable in most hunting weight rifles than the 28. Utlimately, all great options, just slight variations to fit everyone's preferences.
It’s all about marketing there in horn Hornady’s pocket seven PRC has one grain more case capacity
Than the 7MM ,the same thing only different.
Very good pod cast. 👍
I hope the 7 prc takes off so I can find brass much easier for the 7 saum. 3000+ fps with 63 grains. That's a 175 grain bullet seated further out in a tikka long action.
My favorite LR combo is my 28Nosler with a 300 freebore and Berger EOL 195gr bullets. Load those up with 92 grains US869 ball powder and they will produce 3100fps with my 1:8 twist 28in barrel. Just buy two or three barrels at a time 😁
Arron. Have y’all tried necking down a 300 PRC to 7 MM? If so is it worth it? That 195 Grain Berger is a beast of a bullet in that 2850-2950 FPS Range.
Great discussion, and fascinating.
Hey Aaron, I'm Just Curious about knowing if my Gunwerks LR 1200 Ti 7LRM seral # G1049 if it's it a first version brass or a second that can use Hornady brass or NOT.
When I bought the gun I all so bought 200 pieces of Brass and the Hornady dies and bushing and 10 boxes Range Loaded rounds. So Have LOTS of brass LOL. But just want to know to be able to tell whoever I Pass it on to when I can't use it anymore so they know.
Love this package/system I got from you guys (Night Force 4-22x50 Zero stop, level, G7-BR2, Wind meter, Atlas Bipod, KG Feild clean and Home cleaning kits & rods and the Case).👍🏿🤘🏿
Most likely this is a second gen. But give us a call and we can confirm (307) 296-7300
Hey can we make some common caliber ammo so we can?
1. Find it
2. Buy more than 1 box at a time
3. Afford it
I know this is so innovative, 7PRC is so awesome, but it’s just a 7Mag with a high BC bullet great 👍 👏 but meanwhile as all this time and money is being spent on a new cartridge ammo shelves are empty. Does that make any sense? If it does your special! Very special!
I went back and listened to Hornady’s 7mm prc UA-cam video. They are giving homage to the 7 rem mag for the 7 prc. I’ve listened to this several times and then researched the 7 LRM a bit. Look at your picture for this video. Hornady was making your LRM brass. Hornady’s story is not adding up. Cudo’s to Gunwerks for leading the way. Sometimes business partners put us in awkward positions. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Would love to see ammo manufacturer supporting the older standby cartridges that they do a very goo. job better than what they do but on the handloader side of me I'd love to see a 6mm PRC
I get what Hornady is doing with these cartridge designs. making a longer throat allowing the bullet to be seated out farther, allowing for more powder in the case. Getting rid of the unnecessary belt is awesome. Me and my buddy are coyote hunters, we’ve been talking about, how long before Hornady releases a 6PRC. The.22 caliber already has the gammet covered pretty well. I see some room for in the 6mm caliber that would be of interest to the bench rest guys and hunters alike.
@gunwerks Could you expound on The 7PRC’s issue with the throat and hybrid ogive bullets?
Excellent breakdown!
Never had that big of a problem with belted magnums
What do we think barrel life will be like on the 7PRC
Bull Elk @ 1200 yards wouldn't even stress my 338 Lapua . I've 12 inch steel plate @ 2 miles . @ $5.00 per round , missing gets very expensive
If you have 2 rifles, both same except brass cartrige size, (7 saum vs 7 prc) adjust same powder so bullets leave barrels at same velocity, why would there be different results ?
As someone that has reloaded for many years, I have always hated the magnum belts, so I have stayed away for 20+ years now.
So I have always chosen non belt options since then.
Like I totally prefer the 375 Ruger over the 375 H&H and I really love the 375 Ruger.
And I liked the idea of the 264 Rem Mag, but didn't like the belt, so I built a 6.5-06 instead and it is an amazing deer cartridge that I also have used on moose with great success.
I have shot 250-300 deer of different kinds with my 6.5-06 and it has never let me down.
I have a 7 PRC, but I still prefer 7 LRM from gunwerks.
Elton John dropping facts 💯
Would you select the new 7mm PRC over the 300 Win Mag in regards to performance?
Practically 7prc is the 7LRM... And everyone is so damn hyped up about the PRC line.. lol..
Your point is probably corect but how I see it, it's the large scale distribution of this product. It's also to drive sales. But it is going to be a great product.
Can you buy 7LRM ammo?
I was always under the impression that the match bullets should not be used on game because they do not handle expansion well sounds like you guys use the ELD -m for hunting is that correct?
Im going to wait for Ruger precision chamber one in this caliber for me to buy one
7mm prc is what the saum and wsm should of been if they would or gave up on the shorter actions and lengthened the throat to accept the longer high bc bullets. Don’t get me wrong I love my 7mm wsm and not giving it up anytime soon. Really the prc idea comes from guys loading high bc bullets in the short magnums but running into seating issues and powder compaction issues so hornady took a short fat magnum case lengthened the throat to seat the higher bc bullets.
Custom 7rem mag and hammer bullets for the Win.
7mm stw is a nice round too..
belted brass problems long term
@@cratxn1 as a belted magnum owner I concur. That’s part of the reason I went to neck sizing only.
Aaron mentioned that he's a voracious reader of past pioneers in the field. What are his favorite or recommended must-read books on the subject?
Read Roosevelt, Keith, and the more modern Seyfried.
Wow!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you!!!!
Good stuff! Thanks
If I were to build another magnum today. It would hands down be a 300 normal improved. If you can shoot 230 berger or A tips at 3100fps or a 245 eol berger at 3000. With a shorter fatter case (lapua bolt face) able to load the heavy for caliber bullets long and still fit in the mags (wyatts)is the way to go. BC'S are just as high with the new 30 cal high BC bullets as the 7mm are or better. With the proper break you can shoot the big 30 and still spot impacts.
Yeah, I like you guys, at least what your saying. This 7 prc makes the 7mm Practical obsolete. In my mind any way. And of course the 7mm Rem Mag. Which in some ways is kinda sad.
Well, at least the off the shelf stuff is obsolete. Custom rifle builds and custom reloading will hang.
I’m confident it would not be advantageous for you to mention which particular tipped bullet you switched to from VLD. But I’m still curious. We know it’s not bonded so that only leaves a few copper monos that are tipped. Better for you to stay neutral. Enjoyed the podcast
There's no one bullet to rule them all. We've had great luck with the VLD style bullets. We've also done really well with the Hornady ELDM and ELX-X (if you can get it to shoot). Plenty of other great bullets out there as well. Just needs to be matched to the game you're hunting, and the cartridge you're shooting, hopefully with a good BC and terminal performance.
@@Gunwerks ELDMs and TMKs are phenomenal at mild impact velocities.
I put a heavy 1-8 with a radial break on a 7mag and shoot 195s at 2850fps and it's a shooter it will be a 7prc when this barrel is done
How does a high twist rate affect spin drift at range?
Truth. The 7PRC, may make me rethink, what the 28 Nosler, just can't accomplish. And I don't own any Gunwerks product.
I am hearing a lot of good things about the 7 PRC. My favorite round is the .308 Win which is fine for my hunting, cheap and efficient. But what sold me on the efficacy of 7 mm Rem Mag for long range or western hunting was the Gunwerks video where the host here and his son and a few others went elk hunting and got one at over 1,300 yards. The kid was good and kept his cool, corrected for wind and got the second shot as a solid hit. The elk was deceased before he piled up in the tree. And they harvested it, too. A few people have said that was an unethical shot. I disagree. If the shooter and the system are capable of a confident shot, it is just fine and how far you have to walk to get the meat is secondary.
Would I get a 7 PRC? Maybe but everything is hard to get right now. 7 mm Rem Mag is more readily available,
How about the 7mm300 Norma?
You left out 7mm weatherby. I understand it's a belted case but it's still faster than a 7 rem mag.
It’s great to have choices. I own both the 7RM and the 7PRC. If I had to keep one it would be the 7PRC.
Ive shot both the 7PRC and my 7 SAUM.. Other than Hornady being a Master at Advertizing & Promotion of new products.
The Only advantage the 7PRC has over my 7 SAUM is that Hornady will get the gun manufacturers to build thes new 7PRFC's .
Becausethe 7 PRC will not out shoot the7 SAUM using the same bullet and sa,me powder and same barrel length.
So you tell me why the 7 PRC is the best choice.
Factory ammo. I have a 7 saum as well but you have to reload for it. There will be factory ammo available with 180 bullets. You don't see that with a 7 rem, and they don't make rifles and barrels for heavier bullets in the 7 Rem. You can certainly build one yourself.
Thats the problem. The 7 rem mag requires a custom rifle to shoot accurately compared to the 7mm PRC. I have a factory browning a bolt that I struggle to get MOA out of (usually 1.25-1.5). I don't want to get rid of it, but accuracy then becomes the bottleneck to shoot (hunt) long range. The saami specs for the 7 rem mag just don't seem to lend itself to accuracy in a factory rifle compared to the new 6.5 creedmoor, 6.5 PRC and 7 PRC, or am I missing something? Isn't my browning a bolt built with looser chamber / throat / free bore tolerances than a PRC? Obviously a 9.5 twist rate vs 8. I absolutely love the ballistics of a 7 rem mag but no way I am going to spend thousands on a custom rifle. What say you?
No one has said much so may I suggest an EC Tuner brake. I don’t even mess with bullet depth anymore. I get the speed I want with the bullet I want and Tune it in. Feels like kind of cheating but with the cost of components I can quickly get sub moa loads and just go to shooting.
The 7 Rem Mag is great, but as you mentioned, there are limitations. You can usually get a 168gr class bullet to stabilize well in a Rem Mag with factory twist rates, but much more than that and you usually need a custom rifle with faster twist to really do it right. That's where the 7 PRC will shine! Definitely our pick if it's available!
@@Gunwerks mine too… when my 7 rem mag burns out.
I have always been a big 7 guy. My first 7rem mag was in 2001 at the time for recoil and grange In Taking NA game it on paper was about the best option at that time.
I’d like to see a breakdown why someone would choose a 7 PRC over the
300 PRC unless your getting into recoil management between the 2.
It appears to me if u have one you don’t need the other
You don’t necessarily need both but the 7 is the better overall cartridge imo. Less recoil and a higher BC it just seems like a more reasonable option for me especially because I can get it in the shorter action. That being said the 300 can do everything that the 7 can with a bit more energy but the 7 is more practical for me personally.
It shoots flatter than both of the other prc cartridges and they said at 800 yards it carries more energy than 300 prc
You had me until you dismissed the marketing hype and push from Hornady and Gun Writers on the 6.5 Creedmoor.
6.5 Creedmoor is an excellent round for certain applications.
As good as it is and it is very good. But the fire it made spread too far as it is not a long range elk cartridge. It was over stated and squeeze for all it was worth before they released the 7 prc. I think this 7 prc will be bigger then the 6.5 craze. And I'm glad!
@@jamesmooney5348 The number of elk/moose hunters vs deer, antelope, hog, black bear, caribou, STEEL RINGERS should open wider your market appreciation for the CM.
I neck size my 7 mag brass. No special dies just set full length die to size next only. After they are fire formed i get sub moa accuracy and case life is outstanding. The belt is irrelevant.
Yes it is
So when is the 6 prc coming out?🤔
"What the 7 Rem Mag should have been", ?? really?? NO! Les Bowman did a great job with it. He was cutting edge in those times. He was a great gun builder, as was P.O. Ackely and Roy Weatherby. As well as icon Jack O'Conner. We stand on their work. What I don't like is when shooters don't know who these men are.
What a superficial presumptive remark...I would wager in a gun history debate Aaron would change your perception. !
The newton cartridges were the OG. They didn't need a bullshit "magnum" belt....
These Gunwerks guys can be a little irritating but I’m going to defend Aaron a little bit. I think what he was saying that with the Exteme long range community they saved the 7 rem mag??
@@bobmcmillen4502 I definitely listen to what Aaron has to say. I do believe he is one of the prominent people in this industry.
To save something, it would have to be in jeopardy of fading way. I never new the 7mm rem mag was in thart category. Let alone to single handedly save it. I believe that statement was a bit much. And, they might make some statements just cause worthless debate (idk???)
To give credit where it's due, the shots these guys make is impressive! And inspires the industry. But so do other long range professional shooters. They aren't the only ones who know and do this stuff.
Now, I believe the 280 rem, at times, was in jeopardy of fading away. But I doubt the 7 rem mag ever was...
@@jamesmooney5348 I agree. But one does wonder about editing and how many missed shots they don’t show on camera? They have inspired me to reload and shoot long distance. I got my milk jug at 1000 yrd w 3 shots w no spotter, seeing my misses and adjusting. The 1000 yard boys seem to give themselves 10 shots. They are challenging the norms and causing the ethical hunting discussion. Vertical is easy. The wind is what challenges ethics. How good are you on first hits, with fairly big winds?
Making a 12 yr old kid shoot a elk at 1400 yds says way more about him as a father than it does anything about his gun or cartridge
I wish Hornady took the Long Range Magnum name. Much better than 7mm People's Republic of China.
Trying to kill a bull elk at 1200yds? Are you kidding? I’m done listening to this nonsense. We have 20yr old kids taking shots at elk and deer, with 6.5, at 800 or more yards because they heard all the talk on the internet. Most of the did not get their game they were shooting at but they would try and shoot other elk or deer. Wasted animals. The 7mag is a wonder cartridge in the right conditions especially if you reload with high B.C. Bullets. It’s all about ethics. I understand these guys have a business promoting long range shooting. They make money this way. What you do over a shooting bench for long range accuracy is one thing. But when you take the shooting bench issues to the field and try to kill animals is another thing. It’s wrong and makes all hunters look bad to the non hunters. You need to do your homework in the spring and summer to figure out what the animals are doing. You have to get in the field to do this. It’s all about ethic’s, gentlemen.
The Nosler ABLR, according to Nosler, will expand at 1300 fps. If that’s true, I’m not sure how you long range boys aren’t on that band wagon. I load them and they shoot sub moa all day long in my 6.5 prc, 270 win, and my 7rem mag. That takes my 7rem mag with a 175 gr ABLR out to 1550 yards. You guys need to get on the Nosler band wagon. Just wondering why not?
After I said that you said you couldn’t get bonded bullets to shoot good groups. I shoot sub moa groups in three different calibers hand loading heavy for caliber Nosler ABLR’s. You guys have be way better at loading than I am. Not making sense.
@@bobmcmillen4502 Just sub-moa is not good enough for what we do. We also load ammunition that needs to be capable in a wide variety of rifles. "match" style bullets simply shoot better and more reliably for precision than bonded bullets just by the nature of how they're manufactured. If you've had good luck with bonded bullets, good on ya! They certainly CAN shoot well in some rifles with the right combo and are great for many hunting applications.
@@Gunwerks I found an older podcast with on Oneilops and Aaron Davidson explained that Gunwerks “ makes guns to shoot our ammo”. As I’ve thought about your business model I thought that must be what you guys do and it was one of those ah ha moments of “ I knew that’s what they were doing.” I’m not a gunsmith but logically that has to be very hard to do as reamers would have to wear out slowly… etc. Hats off to you guys to be able to maintain that quality of workmanship!
Yup, one more cartridge... the 33 PRC!
Looks like a 7mm Blaser Magnum to me...................
Aaron, sell me the prc... I been wanting a sa been looking at 7wsm and 7 saum. Ok the prc is long action. Ok i have 7stw 7rum and 28nos. So only thing i can see is less powder. So now why would i need the prc ?
I’d say twist rate, recoil, and what you already said efficiency. They said a few times if you have something you like stay with it if you’re looking for something new PRC is it.
.30 cal for lyfe!!!
I will stick with 7mm Rem mag. Shooting a 195gn Berger in a saami chamber at 2910. If I could get n570 I could get 3000. I hit 2980 with the powder I had but backed it off.
You using a 30" barrel? Haha
@@jjsemperfi nope 26”, one guy on our group getting 3080 with a 24” in a proof MTR rifle.
@@SpudOutdoors What powder? I shot the 7 Mag for a while and with a 26" Tube I don't think I ever broke 3000 with 168's.
@@jjsemperfi that is because as you go up in bullet weight you gain efficiency in the 7mm Rem mag. I am using Retumbo. But the ones reporting better numbers than me is using RL33 and N565, N568, N570
@@jjsemperfi also to note the max saami chamber can be as much as .019 thou from a full length resized case so if you fire form the case twice you get more case capacity. I did that for a while and not doing that anymore. I fire formed 3 cases 3 times each and sent them off to whidden to have a hydro die made so I don’t have to wear out my barrel as fast every time I need a new piece of brass.
Fun conversation, but should be listened to with a single thing in mind: " statements made here are opinions only" couple of statements made in this video are ridiculous on the face. I laughed out loud when I heard "you're going to NEED to shoot an elk from 1200 yards". I have no doubt you guys can shoot, but if you NEED to shoot any animal from 1200 yards, you should practice hunting, because your shooting is fine, you just can't hunt all that well. Just my opinion.
Video title says 7PRC. Half of this video is Davidson talking about Gunwerks, 7MM LRM, 6.5x284 etc....
PRC lol Just shoot a 28 Nosler ...Better velocities than capable of the 7mm Prc and its got history of proven results
Hunt the animals not snipe them.
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Elk at 1200 yards? Not ethical hunting. I don't care how great of a shot you are or how well you know your rifle and cartridge. It is NOT ethical. Too many things can go wrong in the time between when you pull the trigger and when the bullet strikes the target.
What ever happened to getting close to an animal to insure a clean kill?
The ole im better than you comment because my ethics are superior to your ethics. Let it go man. Why do you care how someone else hunts.
Disagree on your bonded bullet take. I shoot great sub moa groups with the Nosler ABLR. Can’t believe you’ve had a different experience than I have???? That’s in 3 different guns. Heavy for calliber Nosler ABLR’s are money.
Opinions are like assholes evry one has one and what you find unethical others may be fine with....
@@deadreckoningoutdoors Well, cause game is lost this way and they probably dont know it. I'd say most people are under gunned, don't have training, don't have a good spotter and not videoing. Even with a good camera guy recording and a good spotter watching, game can be undetermined if even hit.
It's an arrogance ignorance that some hunters think they are Fonz from Happy Days, thinking they have the magic touch. And then to be sized w/a gun that is in the lower end of kill potential for large game.
I think the guys at Fun Werks I mean Gun Werks are very well trained, have the best optics and very well gunned in the large game killing needs. And that's what you need. These things are a must. If you don't have the tools and team who is training and experienced, you really shouldn't be shooting at distance.
Yes, I have lost game before. Not fun. But not at distance. I was brush hunting. Not sure what happened.
The standard American is too proud, ignorant and arrogant. And that's one reason this Nation is swirling the toilet 🚽 bowl before its end. Our only hope is Jesus Christ. To be born again. To have your name written in the Lambs book of life, is the goal.
Jesus is King.
In most cases it is unethical!!!
Unless its a highly trained team, the best optics, camera and rifle and a rifle cartridge that's at the upper end of killing potential for that game, in consistent readable conditions it'll work out very well.
But most are not the above stated and lose game. They either don't know they hit the game or don't care. Welcome to America 2022!
But even as great as this 7 prc is, game could still be lost. People really need to get professional training, have a trained and experienced team of 3, have the best optics, camera, rifle and shooting a cartridge thats at the upper end of killing potential for the game at hand. And know when to say, "No, I'm not taking this shot." Rugged mountain winter weather is very hard to read.
I would like to see when the Gun Werks guys don't shoot...
If I want to shoot a big game animal past 1000 yards, then I rather use the .338 Lapua Magnum.
Just a rimless 7 rem mag. It’s all about sales. What can we make up to sell people
U did not listen for comprehension...you were listening for approval of your preconceived ideas
As a red blooded American..... i don't shoot metric cartridges.
ill stick with my 300 weatherby magnum 180 grain, for life. and will stay ignorant to anything else created, all these irrelevant rifle rounds being created in the past 20 yrs dont inspire me, in fact they suck, light rounds packed with a shit ton of powder behind them are cool and super fast until a lil bit of wind comes into play then all that lightness gets pushed left or right quickly & off target at long distances, seen it happen enoigh to know, nothing like a heavier faster bullet, it just makes more sense to me............
The line “will stay ignorant to anything “ really defines you obviously. A person should never stop learning.
The books are filled with dead 7’s. 7mm Gibbs, 7mm/350, 7mm Smith, 7mm Dakota, 7 WSM and probably the best 7mm ICL. The 7 PRC will end up on this list.
Not even bro. I own two 7 prc’s. Mosberg Patriots no less. .25 groups out of both. The cartridge is indeed inherently accurate.
Long, heavy, fast twist is here to stay for a reason they are better and more efficient. Every industry evolves and that’s what we are seeing
Next up, ethical hunting? Is a 1200 yd shot on elk ethical?
probably not for u
Not ethical in my book. I can shoot steel at 1200 all day long but it takes one step from that animal (That's about 1.5 seconds of bullet flight) and you now have a hind quarter shot, or gut. I don't care if you can shoot bullet holes over and over at 1200, not ethical to shoot animals that far as far as I'm concerned.
Nope. The kind of guys that brag and advertise about how far they shoot animals are also the guys that keep their mouth shut when they limp away. If you can talk out loud and not have your quarry hear you, you’re too far. My line ~ 500yds. THE line? past 750 I’d say in a sliding scale of ethics
I am sorry but shooting big game out that far is unethical. Anyone who has spent anytime shooting long range (past 600yrds) knows a slight gust of wind, a bit of a shift in eye relief even the beating of your own heart can change a bullets path drastically when you stretch it out at long range. I prefer to practice two ethical disciplines, One: Shooting my game animals at ethical distances that give the best chance for a clean quick death and Two: Shooting well built well crafted rifles designed to hit the smallest group possible at a very long range (a miss on paper does not cause a long painful death). I feel that merging these two disciplines into one unethical discipline is just not right. For every video you see on UA-cam of some chuckle head hitting a big game animal out past 1000yrds and killing it, there are several more that are not posted of wounded animals that were never recovered. It’s a free country and do what you want, but I think this trend is hurting the hunting industry and making people think that 1000yrd shot is fine even when they have never tried it earlier. Just my two cents.