The Villain Edit on Drag Race
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2021
- DISCLAIMER: I am simply talking about the queens portrayal on the show. This says nothing about their personalities, how they act in the real world, or their character. I actually adore basically every queen discussed in this video. I adore a good villain.
In a new series where I take an in-depth look at some of the most reused editing tactics in RuPaul's Drag Race, today we're starting out with the most notorious. The feared villain edit. The edit that can tank a career. The edit that gets the angry mobs of fans riled up. Which queens got one, and which queens got it the worst? We're going to dive into every main season of the US series to find out!
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Jinkx revealed that both she and Roxxxy were shady to each other, playing, but the editing make Jinkx the innocent victim and Roxxxy the bitch of the season
Also that everything Roxxxy said was followed up with laughter from all parties. They're drag queens, reading is what they do. If it weren't for the "Seeing you in the bottom 2" line, I don't think they would've had material for a villain edit.
@@handsoaphandsoap right?
Yeah maybe but I don’t believe Jinkx did it as hard and mean as Roxxxy the bully. I mean Roxxxy even acknowledged it. She was jealous of Jinks, contemptuous and very judgmental.
As amazing as season 5 is, the obnoxious amount of self righteous backlash to the top 4 untucked by the fanbase was really the beginning of the end for the show being as captivating as it was in s4/s5
She said that most of the season was fine but towards the end it was real, Alaska also said that it got pretty tense in those last couple of eps
The way alaska escaped the villain edit is amazing.
Honestly cuz Alaska really IS the villain if AS2, but the show was never gonna edit her that way
White Privilege
Her tantrum in the makeover episode of AS2 just left a bad taste in my mouth, really, and I already wasn’t feeling Alaska near as much as I had been in Season 5. I actually came out AS2 liking Detox more than I did before.
Pants.....on the runway 🤣
She may have escaped the villain edit from production, but the fandom made her the real villain lol.
I consider Valentina the Villain, solely because I wanna call her Villaintina
brilliant
*cacklesnwith motionless face
The real villain was the friends we made along the way
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
NOT CHARLIE RIB BYE-
farrah moan:
XD
BYE YOUR USERNAME
Who are true villains of rpdr? Producers and judges lol
*shade rattle*
and the toxic part of the fandom
Ru
you mean the audience
Not really because they only doing they job
I will never forgive production for the amount of shady noises they put on Latrice during AS4
For no reason!!!! Then the Fandom turned against her and called her cocky
Right? They actually tried to give Latrice a villain/delusional edit. LATRICE. A former Miss Congeniality. Still boggles my mind.
Latrice is a great queen, but let's be honest, she is not the best reality show contestant. Especially in AS4. Not very versatile, bad snatch games, looks.
it was so much that i've noticed it while watching, they put that shady noise in almost everything she said, even things which were totally not shady
I know right! and omg what a surprise: she’s black
Season 5 had some of the best storytelling on the show ever; Rlolaskatox v. Jinkx, Alyssa v. Coco, the first double elimination and a great double shantay , the great fights, great friendships, great lip synchs.
tbh i thought alaska wasn't as bitter towards jinkx as rotox were
@@AJ-jc9rj that’s probably more accurate. And Alaska did tell Jinkx that if she threw a tantrum over her winning, it wasn’t serious. But framing the story of the final four as this trio destined for the top three versus the quirky dark horse was good storytelling.
@@AJ-jc9rj Alaska showed on season 5 that she was def closer to Detox and Roxxxy but did do her best to be respectful and kind to jinx. Would listen to her, reassure her, and other than a small thing or two, didn’t trash her near like Detox or Roxxxy did. I appreciated her for that. I saw her as someone who is a star, yet still growing.
This 1000 %
I always tell people season 5 is where they should start.
Honestly, Tina could've EASILY gotten the villain edit, if the would have focused on her. She had barely any air time
Because she instigated that fight between Tamisha & Kandy then kept saying slick shit to Tamisha gaslighting her.
@@joelbry2103 instigate? She asked the queens what happened on the main stage, the same question every queen asks every year in untucked... Tamisha started the fight, as she starts every fight with VH1 and the queens on her season and other seasons, PERIOD.
@@dylanglo7710 baby when she jumped in between them she tried it Tamisha with some slick talk
@@joelbry2103 we got the same name hehe
Honestly I was so excited to see Tina on drag race bc she’s such a legend in NY, then the editors literwllt gave her no air time, no story line... nothing
I hope Jeremy fka Phi Phi o' Hara realizes how ICONIC he is. like every season everyone refers to the "Villian" as the "Phi Phi of the season. That's simply legendary to me.
The fact that they chose Phi as the villain and Needles as the hero i-
Especially if you look at their actions post Drag Race. Jaremi put on a drag benefit for the victims of Hurricane Maria, is the co-chair of Drag out of the Vote and participated in the George Floyd protests last summer. Sharon has been accused of being a racist and abusing an underage fan.
@@katscott15 yeah and to the fact Sh*ron called out that Jaremi don't have family values but it's actually Sh*ron the one who don't value family values
Queen of being unforgettable🥂
@loveutill theendoftimes you’re not supposed to like him onscreen. He’s a good villain
The melanin in this villain edit cast makes me sad
As someone who is a person of color, not to try and be offensive, but i think its cuz we generally are more honest about what we think vs white people and we will say things whites generally would be too scared to say. Maybe its because we got raised in a world knowing there is a very bad side to it automatically vs where whites generally dont always see that. Especially since many of the white queens on the shows biggest issue was having homophobic parents, or some who were open and said they were lucky to have the parents they had. Idk, im not trying to say this is how it is for all of us but its just an observation from my perspective as a latino american.
@@skinnylegend3487 as an Indian person who's constantly subjected to racism (which is said to be okay because racists say that it's just stereotypes they're not being racist and other shit) and is raised in very conservative religious household, i know what you're saying, these production members see this shit and play their racism from our melaninated sisters true faces and it's embarrassing for them
@@theroyaletea like we dont always get a choice but to see harshness of the real world
@@skinnylegend3487 as a white person i agree with you. We’re taught from birth how to “seem” the best, that appearances matter and that you can always engineer social situations. Also, I had an abusive childhood and this made me very confrontational because I didn’t want to take anymore abuse. Perhaps POC people feel the same way I did? Having lived a life full of racist abuse and mistreatment.
@@skinnylegend3487 as a southeast asian i want to say something similar about how asian queens get treated on the show also has ties with how asians are raised. a lot eastern cultural ideals are centered around respect, politeness, obedience, etc. which means asians tend not to be as confrontational/upfront with their emotions (which isn't a good thing nor a bad thing). this conflicts with what producers want to see from their cast, because obviously they want to make an entertaining tv show, and this means they want to see queens who get into drama. when you look at a lot of the asian queens who have gotten casted recently, they don't seem to be the type to really get into drama and fight someone head-on, (kahmora, rock, plastique, yuhua, kim chi). so while production does cast an asian queen every season for diversity, they are usually casted as early-outs because production doesn't think they'll make good tv.
It's so odd because Acid Betty by many accounts is a very sweet queen off-screen. Cynthia especially speaks fondly of her for supporting her during her fight with cancer. I don't know if she was playing up the "conflictive" aspect on Drag Race, or she got a REALLY shady edit.
I'm rewatching S8 and I do think that she was playing it up for the camera. There were times when she made really shady comments towards other queens, and the worst part was that they had the cast back up the editing with their comments about her on their confessionals. Kim Chi was shown to be happy about Betty getting eliminated and not just because Naomi stayed, Thorgy said that she loves Betty but she was really negative the entire time she was there and that people in NY don't want to work with her because of how difficult she is, but she was so helpful, enthusiastic, and creative when working with Thorgy and Bob for the New Wave Band Challenge, she had a whole thing with Chi Chi during the Bitch Perfect Rusical and was even mad that Chi Chi won but on the runway she looked softer and even laughed at Chi Chi (didn't look shady at all more so genuine) when she thought New England was overseas. I did notice that there seemed to be a disconnect in how she acted at times, specially in her confessionals... Now idk about her coming for Trixie, it was uncalled for and unnecessary but so were most of the things she said in her confessionals so I still stand by my opinion that she was having fun being the villain and I think she's cool for that.
@@ivannareyes1780 Just adding my one thought about it. Not saying I necessarily condone it, but looking back, I can see Acid Betty (or anyone really) being just a tad jealous of the attention Trixie was getting, even so soon after season 7. I think the new fandom's reaction to Trixie's was probably unprecedented and I think her unconventional makeup look getting a lot of interest/support took a lot of drag/makeup artists by surprise. So even if they are unbelievably talented themselves (as I think Betty is), I think it's possible she- as a fantastic makeup artist- may have let some jealousy and "let me tell ya'll how it actually is" attitude come out. I love both these performers though, and I agree with you. Whether Betty played it up or not, I don't think she has anything to apologize for. It was entertaining!
Betty has her own youtube channel and shes always nice on it. I think youre right i think she played it up for fun infront of the camera but i feel shes nore Bianca like.
I think it was both
Thorge straight up started the season off saying she was a bitch, i think that set the tone..of course when she goes home Thorge is revealed to be the real bitch
Bianca got a VERY GOOD edit. She even said herself they made her seem so much nicer.
That nasty C*NT always remains in my mind as such..If she herself said they made her "so much nicer" then i'll have to put in Kahmora's infamous "WHERE?"
It shows that this comment should have another comment under it, but it doesn’t… mysterious…
@@agalwithnoname Da fuq does that mean?
@@agalwithnoname yeah that happens sometimes under the new format …I wonder too
Hey at least they shook it up in Canada’s Drag Race by giving us a villain edit of the judges! Jk
You forgot Jimbo.
@@rvnhty Was jimbo given a villain edit?
@@snail9389 no
They gave another black judge the villain edit even though Brooklyn was mean in her comments as well
@@khia3839 oh nooooo yeah you're right
"A villain has never won this show." The other Tyra. How was Tyra Sanchez portrayed sympathetically? Raven just... wasn't all that heroic. Also Phi Phi gave her mini-challenge win phone call to Chad.
Tyra didnt get a villain edit
Raven originally got the villain edit then they softened when she stopped being in the bottom. They try to make Tyra the villain but she really only goes back and forth Tatiana who isn’t some shrinking violet herself. The other girls may not like her “attitude” (she could be rude sometimes & she was stand-offish). She wasn’t nearly as antagonistic as Raven but the way white privilege is set up
I was a lot more sympathetic to tyra then raven, raven was the closest to a villain that season for actively bullying
why is everyone pickin sides i didnt care for any of the season 2 top 2 both raven n tyra were lil bitches i wanted juju to win
I think it was not possible to truly give Tyra the villain edit because we learn about her having a child and the motivation behind Tyra competing was to literally give the child a better life. I would her edit would be described as ruthless as she would do whatever it took to win to secure a future
Season 7 “this entire cast is shady and completely hates each other.” 🙌 thank you
I honestly think the same could be said for season 5 lol. Have you seen its untucked?
@@nikfiendluvr666 yes 😬
I'd say: The entire cast hates each other (except Katya). In untucked it really seems like everyone really liked katya.
I don’t like how this show forces the villain edit mainly for POC queens
Especially when Alyssa Edward’s was a whole villain & they rewarded her (after they tried to play her as aloof)
yeah and especially for the vixen. that edit was straight up racist
someone on the cutting floor room maybe forgets that, usually, irl, many many *many* villanous n shitty actions n comments r done n said by white people
Now that I'm looking at the line up...lot of latin & black queens are villians it seems. 🤨
surprising.....for a show run by a black queen. But then again in drag race now, if you are asian, you get ignored, if you are latina, you will never win but you will provide amazing content, if you are black, you will either be a winner or a villain and if you are white, you will be the fan fave or winner or just decent queens who "left too early".
They honestly did The Vixen so dirty. I didn't even "hate" her persona in the show, I just felt really, really bad for her. I wanted to give her a hug, especially given how the reunion went down. Is she a polarizing person even post-season? For sure. But being done SO dirty in the show, knowing how bad queens can be treated by the fandom, all due to the show's editing, was so bad.
“If they want me to be the bad guy, I’ll be the bad guy”
Well she’s in some mess with a few queens and queens have called out her behaviour. I’m sure on RPDR they made it worst but apparently it’s not too far off from her character (allegedly)
Didn't she bring up Manilla's dead fiance over some petty Twitter drama?
@@anuka2102 yes she did, n literally everyone on twitter dogpiled her for it. a while ago she had another feud with monet, n she ll probably continue to do so in the future. the villain edit was there, ofc, but as the comment just above u said, the vixen just seems to have a very polarizing attitude
We all know Eureka is the true villain of the season.
They did Utica so dirty. Even Gottmik and Olivia called it out.
it’s crazy how editing can change everything and that we could easily have had completely different storylines and villains had it been edited differently
Also can we talk about how they edit Asians. They totally type cast us into pre-existing stereotypes either the Dragon Lady Villain-esque (Gia, Phi Phi) or the Sweet Harmless Cinnamonroll (Plastique, Kim Chi, Soju, Rock M.). Like we're also fully realised humans and just a stereotype.
literally the only asian on drag race to ever get a well rounded edit is manila luzon
@@eraserdusting1840 What about Raja and Jujube?
@@HMDcat raja was one of the boogers on her season and was sort of a villain, not completely but she definitely didnt have the best edit, ur right though i forgot about juju
@@eraserdusting1840 wasn’t she a heather?
@@clairewillow6475 i meant heather lol
phi phi o’hara is a fucking icon
Apparently there was a HUGE storyline between Gigi and Sh*tty and that according to some pre season interviews it seems like Gigi was the villain to Sh*tty's hero? which would've been SOOOO weird, and I think we're lucky Sh*tty was called out pre season rather then post or during because I think the whole season would've been ruined
Damn. This would’ve been interesting to see. Shame Sherry did herself dirty.
I read that both Shitty and Gigi were the villains of the season to Jaida's and Crystal's hero arcs, where the two bitchy front runners start to fall behind to the heroic late bloomers
@@jacobelmahir7608 I think that Crystal definitely got a underdog rising edit, but Jaidia in my opinion didn't receive too much of any edit at all. She was more just...good at drag. I don't think she had a storyline.
@@brendonmorris-dice2675 i think her storyline was very reliant on sherry and gigi, maybe she was the hero and sherry was the villain or vice-versa, hence why it felt that jaida didn't get a storyline.
@@jacobelmahir7608 gigi being the villain to crystal's storyline doesn't make sense unless they had like an enemies to friends storyline, which would have been very interesting
Kennedy eliminating Katya also didn't help her, as the edit sold her as a villain, and she sent home the most popular queen of the season... Poor Kennedy, I remember her on AS3 telling about how people started to ignore her on clubs, how much hate comments she got.... She's so talented, i feel so bad for her.
but Kennedy did her job. It's a lipsync for your life, not a lipsync to save your friend. (I know that you're not downing Kennedy for lipsyncing) The fandom really sucks.
@@umichgal1 op agrees, and everybody else agrees with you. but at the time, katya was the queen everybody loved and kennedy wasn't a favorite and not really liked so the fact that kennedy, a queen who at the time wasn't well liked, sent katya, THEE fan favorite home, was kinda the final nail in the coffin
@@Chris-ot9bk the final nail i think was actually the episode kennedy got eliminated where her and ginger threw pearl and violet under the bus
Almost every season 10 girl has said that Eureka was the real ‘villain’ of season 10 instead of Vixen, so I agree with your idea that the producers just needed the top 3 to be ‘likeable’ hence why Aquaria and Eureka didn’t get ridiculously villainous edits.
idk if the same happens to u but on season 10 i liked everyone in the cast save for eureka n aquaria. i just found the former very grating n as for the latter it was so painfully obvious that she was who production wanted us to root for that i stopped caring ab her. also im done with the fashion model-y queen who turns looks getting oh so favoured bc she has money n resources n nice runways
The top four in season 10 was a total mess Aquaria and Eureka were instigators Kameron was ok but shady and Asia was ok but between saying Cracker wasn’t a star right before the final and then the butterfly stunt... messy
@@rez2293 Yeah, Aquaria was fake, Eureka was annoying, Kameron wasn't good enough to win and Asia... probably would've won her lip sync if she didn't make RuPaul send exterminators to the stage after she left lol. Honestly about the whole Cracker thing though, I thought she was just being in her "evil twin" character atm because she's typically not that cutthroat.
@@rez2293 i think kameron was just shy n more quiet than the rest (which does NOT mean she doest have a personality) n i rlly liked asia, she struck me as very kind n sweet
Never particularly loved any of season 10
I feel like Utica sorta got a villain edit near her elimination
I don't think it was a villain edit, it was worse that judges are sleeping on her performances so hard that she seemed talentless. Many villains still got their share of victory/challenge wins, but the producers were like, "just give her the trash edit."
I'm not entirely sure what a delusional edit looks like, but if I had to guess, I'd say that's exactly what Utica got (so hey, guess I know what video I want next in this series!)
@@fardiorin9133 She was kinda like Shuga, overlooked the entire season, but loved by everyone
@@PsychoPyro813 Yeah she definitely did, which is so dumb because we saw what she was capable of, like her sleeping bag look ALONE should have stopped her from getting that edit, but I get it, she was getting tired of being overlooked and Olivia alr had the polite queen thing down, so there was only the delusional edit left for Utica. Also speaking of Olivia, I'm actually confused why they kind of edited her that way during snatch game cuz they could've very easily left her confessional out, especially if they decided to give Utica the delusional edit
It’s not vilain edit. It was just impossible to hide hide fat phobic jokes for all the episode.
This idea is so conflicting to me because on the one hand a story needs an antagonist to be interesting and plot driven but the villains often get a lot of hate due to the way in which they were edited so are the toxic fans the problem or the producers..? This video is going to be so interesting
For story purposes, I love it. But I wish fans just sat back and enjoyed rather than feeling the need to attack them. The seasons would be sooo boring without a good villain!
@@DragDetective frr, I have Queens that I don’t like or I think are villainous but the way a portion the fandom reacts is too much.
Here’s how you have to look at it and I suggest the Talk Of Love Podcast by Lacey from Rock Of Love, who is a iconic Reality TV member from Vh1. She talks a lot about production and how it works BTS on a show like this. The producers are the real villains on these shows but for good reason. They just wanna make a fun TV show and the fans take it to heart for no reason. I get that Drag Race is the LGTBQ communities number one show that showcases everything about them but they forget one thing. How can you be about love and spread hate?? Let alone on a show that is only showing ONE HOUR OR 90 MINUTES of a THREE MONTH filming period or less or more. That just baffles. Like you said, enjoy the show and realize that it’s real yes but also it’s not a genuine competition and that everyone knows it has to make ratings and be entertaining. Laceys number one advice for everyone who does these shows is to take the most outrages part of your personality and turn it up to a ten because if you are boring then you are going home and that stuck with me since then
@@JSG-gk2oz well explained, i loved lacey on rol
@@DragDetective Let's be honest and think of iconic villains in any stories. All the good, fully fledged villains have a history of hurt, being cast out, etc. This is what created them, drives them and makes them think they're the heroes. It makes for great storytelling. However, producers of drag race don't seem to get it and usually just edit queens they want to fulfill the villain slot as psychopaths. I hate it, I see it, and most of the time I root for the drag race villain.
if the fans could watch the show critically and not immediately attack anyone at the drop of a pen then we could enjoy villain edits and still respect queens and their art outside the show 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ but unfortunately that doesn't happen. most recent ex was the attack of Olivia at denalis elmin. literally half the fans did a 180 on Olivia because of one bad episode for her. I think the producers are aware and that's why kandy for example got a more well rounded edit; she was definitely the villain, but I think the producers were trying to decrease the amount if flack she'd receive. but it'll never happen as long as the fans stay like this
Absolutely, it’s so unfair that some queens get hate off of just one episode, it’s completely ridiculous. I mean, Denali was my favourite, and I was gutted when she left, but it wasn’t Olivia’s fault, even though some people accused her of sabotaging Denali (that was completely false, both her and Denali revealed that Denali’s dress was a reveal, so it was Denali’s choice not to take the bottom part off). Personally, my least favourite was Kandy Muse, who was the real villain, and I have no hate whatsoever towards Olivia or Tina, who both got hate. Also, can we talk about Tamisha Iman? Just because she’s opinionated and isn’t scared to speak against Kandy’s bullshit, she gets a crappy edit and gets sent home WAY earlier than deserved. Basically, this just shows how much queens are at the mercy of producers giving them a good edit, and queens who don’t get it (Tamisha, Tina etc) are basically ruined in terms of reputation.
@@EscMoonlight I'm so tired of "X is the real villain" type claims. Like, would you say that about someone at your workplace or in your family? People have good and bad sides, and some people don't get along for various reasons, without the need to cast one as The Villain.
That’s because the show’s audience are 15 year olds who get their views from Twitter and treat every online interaction like it’s an untucked fight
The Vixen was not actually a villain, she made lots of valid points but bc her points threatened the producer's picks (aquaria and eureka) that is why she was given the villain edit
Jesus was a biscuit and this comment
Look her history look ahit she did to manilla she made fun of her then dead boyfriend who died of a disease also said a fake ass apology which was im crying boo hoo look me im getting hate for being mean and talking shit about dead people and telling fans horrible shit to poor me oh yeah im sorry but im not then blocked Manila after she did shit like that so Manila could see the tweet but cant tell the vixen i mean the villain how messed up that is
@@Emilythematerialgurl yeah like in some ways she made good points but she also went too far like bullying Manila.
@@Emilythematerialgurl yeah that’s messed up and disgusting but that didn’t happen on the show and has nothing to do with what this video is about??? We’re discussing the way production twists and edits moments to make certain queens look bad knowing the fandom will respond with bullying, harassment, slurs, and death threats, and knowing that a negative portrayal can significantly impact their careers and result in a loss of money. Vixen’s behaviour outside of the show doesn’t change the fact that she got an undeserved villain edit and was forced to suffer because of it.
Can’t wait for the comments like
“But it’s not a race issue”
oops my finger slipped and i deleted them all
«you know, the white people»
-symone
I liveeeee. Thanks for deleting. Shady moment: I was on a thread that was discussing The Vixen. Someone told me race wasn’t an issue. I asked if said person was black. Legit response, “no I’m not black but I was raised by black people & my mom says I’m black enough”. Said this on Michelle Obama’s internet. Point is thank you for being a real ally.
@@DragDetective maybe I should have added “age issue” … well maybe not age but its “queens with experience” vs “new queens who grew up in *this* era of Drag
@@joelbry2103 biiiiiish it’s the Obama internet for me 🤣🤣🤣👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
How are we, as a species, in a place where we need reminding not to send actual death threats to people (and their families) because they weren’t our favourite on a TV show?
Its absolutely ridiculous that people do that. Even sending hate is disgusting its a TV programme. I also hate that people think they are drag experts because they watch drag race.
It just feels really off in general. I personally just watch the show, then some videos and that's it. If I don't like a queen, I just ignore her. Idk what makes people, in general, to go to strangers' social media and DM them crazy stuff. And these people don't even feel remotely sorry for whoever they chase after. They say "if these ppl chose to be celebs, they should be ready for this!". Unfortunately ppl don't have even half the energy to go to a nice queen's ig and follow her, or leave a nice comment.
My theory is that many people lack the tools to manage their emotions and triggers. So when their fave is "disrespected", they feel anger, cuz they relate to her in this parasocial way. They don't know how to solve that big emotion, so they dump it on the scapegoat girl that "robbed" their fave. And they feel justified, cuz other people are already sending her hate too. So there's no repercussion for their actions, and they get to feel better. Its shitty but it makes sense. Again, that's my theory. Take it as you will haha
Phi Phi gave her phone call to Chad, which was a selfless kind act. But maybe they couldn't show it any other way, since PhiPhi was shown winning the mini challenge, unless they just didn't show Chad's phone call.
I'm so sad for Jaremi because he's a sweetheart to his fans and fellow queens, but the edit was just brutal on him
I feel like production just told Gia to do what Gia do best and take EVERY opportunity to create tension and chaos, then slid her a check under the table for excellent reality tv 😂😂😂
Would love to see the end of the shady rattlesnake noise. Down Under has really made me realise how much those little sound effects change the narrative. That editing gives me whiplash!
Also, before watching season 11, when I saw people being so hateful towards Silky, I was sure it was because she was problematic or something, but when I watched the show and I saw she was simply annoying, that’s when I knew.
There is definitely a race bias when it comes to villains in the franchise, but people are not ready to face it
Silky's edit is great from a storyline perspective of just watching her come in and think she'd be a fan fave (Which is very hard due to the racial and size biases people have right away), but watching her be delusional about it until she realizes during the "Meh" moment just how poorly she handled the season and how she's going to be potrayed (You can see it in her last few episodes she knows she's toast).
I hate though, that they gave it to a big girl queen of colour, instead of when the thin, white queens have done it, because they knew DAMN well that they got away with it without being noticed because of it being with a queen who was a visible minority.
@@airtempest8945 exactly. We all saw her certain form of delusion and denial about some of her performances and runway looks, but I felt that she received wayyyyyy more hate than other white and/or skinny queens who were also deluded about their performances (Milk, for example)
Race / age / weight / socioeconomic aka “crafty”
@@mnif001 that is partly because Milk went out in the third episode whereas Silky made it to the finale, despite that Milk is the only queen I've truly hated and cheered when she was eliminated
on her hey qween interview milk acknowledges that despite being as3s villain she had it a whole lot easier than any other bipoc villain bc she was white. i also despise the as3 milk but i respect n applaud her so much for having her two feet on the ground n owing to the unfairness of it all
it’s really interesting to me how most of these queens are queens of color and the show choosed to portray them that way
That proves to me that the production staff are mostly WHITE, and Miss RuPaul is only an employee.
Jerami is black in season 4 but in All stars 2 he is white, this shocked me, I thought Jeremi was black 🤡
tea says most of production are white ppl so that checks out ig
idk every time i watch season 3, i just feel like the heathers were really mean and unlikable, way more than phiphi or Roxxy. imo Raja was the villain of her season and won.
This is very true
I watched season 3 years into being a DR fan, so I knew who Raja and Manilla were but during season 3 I really disliked them, it confused me as to how the ended up becoming successful fan favorites. They were so unnecessarily mean to the 'boogers' and it felt overwhelmingly hateful.
@@mimistardust3915 me too! honestly i did not want that group to succeed after that clique was formed and they started being rude and nasty. i can't even blame editing for that because delta and raja and manila DID say that shit about others in untucked. i mean shangela wasn't a saint but compared to that pack she almost seemed like one :/
@@mimistardust3915 same... I knew Manila was a fan favorite and my sister also liked her a lot. I knew Raja bc of Fashion Photo Ruview and thought she was a nice queen overall (nicer than Raven, who was more on the shady sides when it came to queens she didn't like). So when I watched S3, I was surprised they were both so annoying. I also really liked Alexis, so when it came down to the final 3 and Raja won, even though I knew it, I felt kinda disappointed lol
They got a FREEPASS because it was before social media exploided. So... lucky them.
seeing all the villains of each season laid out like this, it is so glaringly obvious how the show villainizes Black and Brown Queens and I think that's reflective of RuPaul and the production team. It's really a shame that the art and community created for and by Queens of color is being used against them smh
Darienne was the villain of s6. Her claims that Ben was stuck up was never shown, she just came out the sidelines coming for her.
Ehh Dela was also really shady when she wanted to, but she's way more charismatic and showed softer sides in S6, so it made Darienne look worse by comparison. And I say this as someone who doesn't even like Darienne lol but I don't feel like she was a villain at all. Just very shady.
Yeah that is definitely the case because i remember watching that season and seeing her claims about Ben being very confusing. I was like "When was Ben ever shady??" Things were clearly cut out because in my opinion, those comments came out of nowhere
Out of 9 vilans edit, 8 are NON WHITE. And people wonder why the racism its so strong in the fandom...
fun fact: people who worked on the s12 set said that gigi was going to be the villain of s12 with sherry being the hero which is why there is no proper villain that season cause they couldn’t have that dynamic anymore
I feel like gia gunn on season 6 was ABSOLUTELY the villain
she was more the villain on AS4 in my opinion
she was shady but not the villain
i don't really remember anything she said/did on season 6 that could be "villainous" tho
The villain was Lajanga in my eyes
Both Gia and Laganja got the shady edit at some point. But Gia's image was softened by her funny confessionals, her being a bit on the "quirky dumb" character, and also info on her childhood and origins. She was also clearly a good friend for Laganja and was portrayed accordingly. She also did not go after one specific queen......... because April left early. Gia was clearly after queens that were not "feminine enough", but I guess everyone understood later that it was probably her internal conflict talking instead.
Laganja got a bit of a shady edit sometimes, but mostly "airhead and delusional". Even during the "I'm feeling very attacked" moment, we can't help but laugh and also sympathize with her. Imo besides Darienne and Dela, no one went after another's throats in s6. Nothing felt like bullying. So, no villain material.
IMAGINE A SEASON WITH THIS CAST!!!!! 💀💀💀💀🔥🔥🔥🔥
They would probably kill somebody...so no ahaha.
I would say Darienne got a pretty strong villain edit, almost every joke or side comment she made was accompanied by the shady rattlesnake. Even she's pointed out how ridiculous it is if you really look at it
of course they would protect a white queen who was actually villainous with racist and transphobic microagressions from having a villain edit... gross
Please do a video on the fan favourite edit ❤️❤️
"A villain has never won the show"
Tyra would like a word with you.
The ghost edit would be good to see because they do that to at least one queen a season
Actually, if I remember correctly, someone spilled that the main storyline of season 12 was Gigi vs Sherry, with Gigi being the villain and Sherry coming out on top. Because that storyline was cut, Gigi's whole arc in the second half of the season felt kinda empty.
That's cuz' the show is always trying to gaslight us & it's annoying 😒. Just let the girls be fabulous & stop playing favorites. Especially because they get it wrong a lot; just like they thought it was a good idea to go hard for Kandy 🤷🏽♀️ ppl end up loving Tamisha, Utica, and Denali.
@@BringMeSummer THIS, they should just let the season go naturally, that way it doesn't feel overproduced/staged
Yeah I thought this was reddit storyline from forever ago. I saw jadia more as season 12 more then just pageant girl edit.
It kinda sucks, cause Jaremi and James were really a amazing queens who didn't deserve what the fandom did to them.
apparently James now is a bit problematic but on drag race I saw a lot of growth and change, I actually really liked her, even in the reunion they all said she grew personally
So I ran these queens through an All Stars simulator. Kennedy and Phi Phi (Jaremi) were the double crowning lol
I think it’s a big problem that a lot of toxic people in the fandom can’t recognise that while reality TV stars actual people rather than characters, there’s still a storyline and it’s still a show being produced to entertain. It’s not a documentary or the news. A villain edit or even someone being genuinely mean at times doesn’t justify death threats and hate online 😓😬
this, contestants on reality tv r basically characters for the season long story. many a toxic fan needs to learn how to dissociate the actual queen from the facet that is presented on the show. *reality tv is edited for a reason*
Maybe analyze the winners' edits and see how the producers build up their win
Editing matters. The villain edit is a real thing and we need to support queens through it
I feel like Latrice got the villain edit after Gia’s elimination. Which is so weird because she was one of the most cheered heroes from the show. But they gave Monique the hero edit antagonizing her against Latrice
people don't realise that The Vixen is really not a good person. her edit on season 10 was BULLSHIT and I will always say that. it was so unfair. but the shit she has done since being on the show has actually been disgusting, the way she's treated manilla, and even influencers in the community like jakeyoncé (regardless what you think of him, the shit she, shea and ariel did was SO wrong) is honestly so bad and her character should not be defended, just her edit on the show.
I'm really out of the loop so could you please tell me what did she do?
@@harisbisevac4578 I know she tried to use Sahara's death to try and cause an argument between Manilla. And also Monet X Change puts it, she "Race baits" quite a lot which causes unnecessary stirs.
What did they do to Jakeyonce? lmao I can’t imagine him being innocent in a situation regarding the queens
What happened with jakeyonce?
@@harisbisevac4578 sorry I'm so late replying, I just commented it in a reply to this comment, so it's just underneath this comment :)
I think a short AS3 villain edit was given to Bebe with her treatment of Aja.
Really makes me uneasy to my stomach that a glaring majority of these villain edits are queens of colour, its past coincidence
Sometimes i don't agree with your videos but i know you're a good human, you mentioned Sharon as bad human not tyra like toxic fans, happy to see that
btw, what's up with sharon? I genuinely don't know
@@d.o.m.i. She was exposed for being in a sexually explotative relationship with a minor by using her status.
@@d.o.m.i. and did blackface
holy shit yall 😨
@@d.o.m.i. yup but theres more actually lmaooo
I feel like Utica kind of got a villain edit, or at least a "not good" edit. I found it really confusing how she was portrayed as really kind for a bit, then turned into a secret shady queen and pretty much tried to humiliate her towards the latter half of the season. I'm not to sure though but it would be interesting to look at.
This is sort of the problem when producers force type casting for arcs and needing someone to fill roles. Utica started as the cute, nice, helpful which was already filled later but Olivia and Utica said that one of her downfalls was that she didn’t fight hard enough for her own time/roles in the show thus tried to put herself first setting her up from no longer just being that “helpful sweet” type. She couldn’t be comedy because while Utica is weird she’s not funny, and the show was hellbent on never considering her s fashion queen because they wanted Gottmik and Symone for those spots given they rarely praised her for her designs. By the end, the season needed a villain and all the other roles were filled + they knew they didn’t want to push someone like Kandy too much into the villain as her arc was about opening up to a softer side and it wouldn’t have matched for pushing her into a top spot to continue to be a villain thus leaving only Utica to be editing into this box. It’s clear that a mix of just already friend group biases on the season and knowing for a fact Kandy, Gottmik, and Symone were always going to make it to the top they did do as much as they could to edit down Utica resulting in this sort of humiliating, very outcast image that even Gottmik/Olivia called out production for being fairly cruel to her [since the villain/shady really wasn’t there]
Can we get a all stars season with all these people 😂
Kandy was the villain, the hero, the narrator, the judge, the main character and were there even other queens on the season?
🙄 I just don't understand why the fandom has to always take what happens personally. It's JUST DRAG.....it's supposed to be fun & freeing. I love my shady queens, my villains, my not politically correct queens just as much as I love sweet hearts, comedy queens, and fashion girls.
I'll never forget the story Kennedy told about how she was treated after her season. No bookings, no one coming to see her at the booths. Like, c'mon let's just treat these queens with respect. They're all sooo talented.
It's only "Just Drag" if the queen mentioned is the fan fave and it always hurt
Oh wow, well I’d love to read or watch Kennedy’s interview about that. Do you remember where you saw it?
@@christopheredale
I know she's talked about her experiences on Hey Kween show & she's done livestream interviews a few years ago now it was around her AS season w/Chichi & she talked briefly about it on the season. But, I've heard a lot of queens talk about how amazing Kennedy is as well, how she cooks for queens & checks on them. Luckily, I do think Kennedy has gotten so much more love over the years ❤️
The delusional edit is always fun so it would be intresting to see a video on that
I hope you saw it, they made it
Some Thoughts:
1. I'm surprised you didn't bring up S3 Shangie. It's another case of just a really shady edit, but I feel like the way she "played the game", the other queens generally finding her annoying, and her being the main booger to rival the Heathers would at least make her worth mentioning.
2. I think it's arguable that Bebe was the villain of AS3. Her personality was perfect for the villain, she eliminated Aja in a way that STILL feels shady, and it's implied that she wanted to eliminate Trixie, the obvious hero of the season. I think they only avoided this cuz she's the show's first winner, and tarnishing her name would be the opposite of why they brought her on the season to begin with.
3. Akeria is also one of the villains of S11???? I don't think she was the foil for someone else, but I and several others have noticed that Akeria was always INVOLVED and present in drama, even though the drama wasn't about her. She would often be the "instigator" for Rajah and Silky, and I think if they are declared villains, she should be too (or again, at least mentioned)
I think it would be interesting if you try to decipher who are the queens that were given a hero or neutral edit, despite their constant shadyness and poking on other queens during the season... I mean Bianca del Rio, Jackie Cox and Mizz Cracker were definitely portrayed as heroes but they were shady and got on other queen's nerves during their respective seasons.
In the last couple of years, there have been several explaining that whiteness is centered around conformity and comfortability. The moment those two things are disrupted, the friction causer must be vanquished. That's why it's always been hard for Black people - as the pillar of whiteness is anti-Blackness - can never be truly successful in white spaces. Other communities of color experience this too, yet there's a proximity to whiteness that almost shields them from whiteness's anti-Black madness - Model Minority myth, Latino/a/e community being extremely complicated to classify racially, and the virtual extermination and confinement of Indigenous people to acres of land. This, and other shows regardless of format, play this up to a T. I think that Raven was clearly the villain of season two. Yet, the producers edited her villainy and shadiness in a fun and sort of aspirational way. Violet Chachki received the same favorable villain edit. Had Ginger Minj been thinner, she would have probably received that edit too. I'm just sick of shows constantly playing into these tropes because they reinforce whiteness and white delusion/supremacy. So many people express how this show is eye-opening about communities some people may never come in contact with. For folks who may never come in to contact with Black people of any sexual and/or gender identity in real life outside of media representation, this is doing us no favors.
Speak THE TRUTH!!!
So sad that Phi Phi hates her name now, most likely because of these edits
Utica definitely got a villain edit towards the end of the season. It was so sad to watch.
I think Aja got a villain edit too opposing Valentina's "hero"
Rajah was so fucking iconic, i didnt understand all the hate about her bc she was so funny especially compared to others on the season like Yvie
i think the reason why seasons 9, 12 and uk2 are so good is that there are no villians and very little drama. it makes the seasons so much fun and you end up really loving and rooting for the cast.
really interesting to see that most of the "villains" are poc queens, huh
it's pretty telling the differences in the grace the editors were willing to give Roxxxy in season 5 vs. Phi Phi/Jaremi in season 4 when everyone remembers and talks about Roxxxy's story about her mother abandoning her and her sister and it's given proper weight and sympathy and Ru even cries with her...but no one seems to remember Jaremi talking about his experiences with his father's brutal abuse, and that moment is very quickly glossed over in the show when it does happen.
anyway, rpdr editors: stop editing queens of color into one-dimensional villains, and fans, stop sending death threats.
I was literally thinking about this in regards to season 10 the other day. I think the producers wanted Aquaria to be the villain to Miz Cracker's hero (whilst still pushing Eureka to win). But then Aquaria and Cracker wouldn't play their game and Eureka kind of showed her ass arguing with Vixen, so they started pushing Aquaria for a growth edit instead and shoved Cracker to the side whilst trying to downplay Eureka's faults, only choosing Aquaria as the final winner when she was the clear fan favourite over Eureka.
The fact that like 90% of the shady/villain edit were given to poc is something we should all acknowledge
But..... I loved all these queens when I watched the seasons........
except for serena BAHAHAABHHAAHA
same here
when I watched season 5 I really reaaally wanted Roxxxy to win. I thought she was so strong and it made me so mad how everyone ignores her talent because of her fights
Absolutely, she brought an excellence to the runway that hasn’t been seen before on the show. I guess it makes sense why she was saved every time she was in the bottom during A2, she’s really good at doing drag but she struggle during the challenges.
Roxxxy was definitely second in season 5 over Alaska, Roxxxy is just drag excellence and honestly if she was in season 4 then she probably would've won
@@japinesisewormgan I still claim that Roxxxy didn't necessarily need to be in the bottom in all of her bottom placements in AS2.
It’s very interesting that most of the queens that got the villain edit were the brown... hmm
so in a nutshell, queens of color get the villain edits more often. figured. production is old white men. thanks for your work, this was such a great video
I think Gigi was supposed to be the villain, with Sherry as the hero? That's what production rumours have said about season 12
Yes, I think the original main storyline of s12 was the gigi vs allison.
Opposite
@@theturkishdelight7399 I think they were correct. If you look at the first two episodes they were setting up the young pretty girls to be evil. Sherry was their original choice to win. She was made to seem funny & knowledgeable in her confessional with a truly campy style. It’s no secret they have been looking crown a big girl. Gigi wasn’t made to look extremely likable
@@hirocean8555 BYE NOT ALLISON
@@joelbry2103 Girl They Wanted Gigi To Win from the start and for that they needed a storyline and that’s when it was Gigi Vs S*erry and then Gigi Winning but Then S*erry was exposed and they had to cut that storyline and if your not convinced they wanted Gigi to win then look at her track record She Didn’t Deserve her ball win and final 5 win and she should’ve been in the bottom 2 in the Poltical,Improv,& Makeover , and yes they did favor s*erry but that’s just blc. They needed a climax to the storyline
Reading is fundamental! Especially in the drag community. You learn to throw and to take it.
That also plays into the Snatch Game and the puppet challenge...
So there's a big difference between reading (maybe throwing shade) and just being snarky and neagtiv. And I live for a wellplaced backhanded compliment.;o) I mean, it's not personal, it's drag!
The thing is , Raja was soooo obviously funny in season 11 to me she didn’t really seem like a villain but yeah
I mean it’s true with Phi Phi. I remember they mentioned that they were sent to the hospital when they were 18. But you don’t remember it or wonder what happened because of the edit.
I am in love with your videos and just really appreciate hearing your criticisms and such. I’d love to see you cover the redemption arc edits!
I think Mimi Imfurst should be on this list for Season 3 and All Stars 1 because she was dragged hard - and re-watching the season, I think she was bullied by the other queens. I also think Laganja should be here because she is painted as unstable, picking fights with her friend and crazy even towards the judges.
Allegedly Gigi was the villain of the season and Sherry was going to get a Jinkx storyline. But it was cut out
Such an amazing video! You are just so entertaining to listen to, and I would love to see more edit related videos.
omg acid is literally one of my favorite queens.
Canada’s DR: Jeffrey B Chapman
UKD1: The Vivienne
UKD2: H&M
DR Thailand 1: the budget
DR Thailand 2: Kandy Zyanide not winning also
Drag Race Down Under: Racism & the budget
Drag Race Holland: Mama Queens height
The Switch 1: the language barrier
The Switch 2: Gina Gum
I have never before realized how many QOC (queens of color) got the villain edit, that is actually really scary to me as it is a serious pattern of racism pretty much and it should not be that way at all. The angry black woman stereotype really should not have any place in a show named after and run by a QOC. That's genuinely disgraceful.. 😔
It's lovely how roxxxy and jinkx love and respect each other so much now
i really like this one. you should do maybe one about the paranoia or hero or underdog edits. those could be fun too.
Notice that the overwhelming majority of these villains are POC Queens
exactly! im not even gonna start about the fact that almost all of asian queens are going home very quickly
cmon Darienne Lake is THE villain of her season. how can you treat someone like she treated Ben
Thanks for the hard work. I know this was a huge undertaking.
The list of villain edits made me sad because in the end~ these queens are human beings that get treated poorly. They are placed in a drag race pressure cooker. I love them all and wish them nothing but happiness.
Milk...total villian edit. I was soo excited when I saw she was coming back and she completely ruined it for me.
Couldn’t agree more 👏
Honestly I thought Tina was going to get the villain edit with Rosè being the hero but that went no where
Ooh requests! Be cool to see if you can find consistances between the winner's edits and see if there is a defined "winner edit" (it obviously wont be as clear since they want to make the winner a surprise, but I think there are editing cues that let us know to keep an eye on these girls)