This video collects our first four Primarch videos into one compilation. We'll be doing four of these videos, and another to collect the last 2, in the process getting to all 18 of the known Primarchs. We hope you enjoy the theories, and ask that even though they are some hot takes, that you remember that these are our theories...not GW canon lore (though we try to base them on all the facts we can see). Especially on the Alpharius video we got some seriously mad people yelling at us. So, yes, to reiterate, these are opinion pieces and we don't work for GW in any way, shape, or form.
@InquisitorRomanov this longer video is what made me subscribe I've listen to warhammer lore videos to sleep since I was in the marine corps backing 2017 and the longer the better I sleep so keep it up
@@hunterrogers4116 awesome. I’m the same way and like longer videos too. Basically for the Primarchs I’ve got the plan to do 4 compilations of 4, then do a final video with my favorite and least favorite.
With regard to Russ, it is important to remember that Horus was found first, Russ was found second. They were brothers before they were much else. When Russ left to attack the Vengeful Spirit, he did it out of love and horror. Horror that is brother could fall and a deep sense of love and loss for Horus. When his speer pierced Horus that day, it was love which stayed Russ' hand. Centimeters from the primarchs hearts, he pleaded with Horus to return with him to Terra and be healed by their father. It is said that The Lion is a beast pretending to be a man, and Russ is a man pretending to be a beast. Now that The Lion has returned, he seems wiser and much more forgiving(forgiving the fallen). Perhaps if Russ returns, he will be the opposite. He was compassionate once, and it cost him everything.
Corax comes back in demon form to get revenge on Lorgar then turn his sight on the Emperor but Curze swoops in like Batman and saves the day fulfilling the redemption vision. Curze then takes over the Raptor chapter that's revealed to be using his geneseed. *puts blunt down
A returned Corax would be better as a loyalist Angron really: he leads nothing, he commands nothing, his sons may follow but he does not direct them. He is a force of nature more than a Primarch. A Warp-fueled war engine and line breaker
About Corvus Corax.... Hear me out. Shrike is called to a world being beset by Dark Eldar. These same Dark Eldar pirates possess an artifact valuable to Yvraine that they stole from soem Craftworld. Shrike ends up teaming up with her and some Harlequins after some convincing and together they purge the Dark Eldar. Shrike and Yvraine speak of the current state of the Imperium. She comments that she admires the subtle, detached nature and fighting tactics of the Ravenguard, commenting on how different it was from the Ultramarines she aided. He tells her of his Primarch, and she remembers having visions of a shadow, cold and unyielding yet not wrought from an essence of malice, but of vengeance. She speaks of a powerful being that stalks the Webway, searching specifically for the Monkai traitors who rebelled against their Emperor. Shrike immediately realizes she's talking about his Primarch. He goes into a dark rage, taking her aback. Then he calms down... And speaks. "Tell me, witch. Have you need of a company of the sons of the Raven Lord? Should you lead us to our father, we shall offer our edge to yours. We share the same enemy..."
@@InquisitorRomanov thank you! Yeah it came to me as I listened to your video. However I admit I now think it's to similar to Guilliman's resurrection. Though I can't see another way, but I'll think about it.
In "Praetorian of Dorn", when Rogal kills Alpharius with Strom's Teeth, it's described that, when he dies a "detonation of light" occurs which is pretty much how a death of a primarch is described since they're warp entities, so I would argue that Dorn did kill Alpharius, whereas Roboute killed an imposter astartes. Also Hydra Dominatus!
Now that the Lion has returned, I really hope Russ returns and he's older and fatter. The reunion between old man balding Johnson and a chunky boy Russ would be hilarious. The Lion, "My brother, despite our previous encounters, it is good to see you again." Russ, "Aye my brother, but you've gotten old, and your hairline recedes as we speak." Lion, "Yes my brother, and you've gotten fat from your mead."
That is great. The hardest I've laughed all morning. This needs to happen. I suggested that SW and DA would fight upon Russ returning, but this is so much better. We still have yet to see Guilliman reunite with Lion...at this point, after reading this, I need G man to say something about that hairline too!
@InquisitorRomanov Much agreed there, however I do not see the two fighting like they had before the Heresy, Just finished the Primarch Novel for Russ and he seemed to very much mourn the Death/disappearance of the Lion in the book.
Bro Rogal Dorn sparred with Valdor, he lost the first one then beat Valdor every single other time. He could definitely kill Alpharius, look what he did to Fulgrim.
@@bloodangel19 I heard that was the case, but alpharius faught valdor in "head of the hydra" before Horus was even found so he would be like "5" max no?
Problem with the Alpharius theory is that Solomen Akura isn't a heresy era marine, so he doesn't have a clue, where as Kassar an alpha legionary from the book shroud of night is a heresy era marine and Kassar consistently speaks of Alpharius and Omegon being 2 separate primarchs.
@@danzigmccoy To add to your point, both alpharius and omegon are seen in gestation pods prior to them being scattered when the traitor legions time travel during the heresy. Also russ was not stabbed with his own spear, that was alpharius who got stabbed by dorn with the pale spear which he took from alpharius. The emperor did care for his primarchs as his children. You have to disregard his conversations with malcador and the fact that he literally ripped a piece of his soul away that contained his love just to be able to face horus. This guy is just reading a 40k iceberg from a decade back for his primarch knowledge.
@@barlotardy😊 I was going to say this, grammaticus looks at Omega and says that you are the same there is no difference between then he calls them out then and there. He can tell the difference between all the alpha regions that call themselves alpharius.
Alpharius table of 1..?? Everyone waitng in the lobby of the restaurant: thats me,im Alpharius...everyone looks around confused...then all hell breaks loose!!
Alpharius and Omegon were one and got split into two with one part of chaos and one being for imperium. Also allowing for the purged to be returned as a chaos legion. (Make 10 chaos and 10 imperium) As the forgotten had been incorporated into other legions.
One mistery about Curze I really want to know is that he had a diary called " The Dark" in which I believe he has written all the visions of the future and some more secrets about the legion. I do believe he is coming back somehow.
Yeah, the dark is rad. Everything about Corvus is rad...though I do believe we can safely put him in the Renegade Primarch camp now. I think he doesn't care about the Emperor at all now...and why should he?
Ok so with the Alpharius thing. Every primarch has an ability and there is a book where omegon gives a space marine his blood and the guy turns into like a Demi omegon. Can’t remember what book but it had to do something with disrupting a beacon to help the scars.
Quite a bit of Emperor slander in here. Malcador has in several seperate instances referenced the unexpected affection the Emperor has for “His sons”. I believe the Emperor is a much more complicated and complex character than most people want to give him credit for. We have to keep in mind that He is barely human,(if at all), by our standards. However his motivations and thoughts are very human when distilled down. The sheer amount of work the Emperor undertook with the great crusade cannot be understated, and in fact might not be able to be put into words.
Wait until my video on the Emperor comes out. It addresses quite a bit of that. And honestly, I agree with you for the most part. After making these last few videos I have thought about his character, and the depth of it quite a bit. It is very hard not to project the identity of "human" on to him...but you're right. He's anything but that. Also, I am kind of a bit of a heretic, so...
If you believe that the emperor is a composite soul like the old lore states, then various aspects of his soul can come to the fore at various times, bringing with them different attitudes towards the primarchs
Corax, there is the possibility he never left the tower and that's his astral projection hunting lorgar. Imagine gw exploiting story and game rules to sell you 2 corax models, one primarch one crow demon thing, tabletop rules one bounces off the table to reserves and the other one deepstrikes
@InquisitorRomanov if they ever release a corax primarch model I'm buying it and saying the forgotten one recalled my carcharodons from the outer dark. If they did release two corax models it'd probably be like Marathi, just choose one to field
The Alpharius theory could work considering the Alpha Legion did steal Corax's notes from the Emperor on genetic augmentation... Rogal could've been fighting a genetically altered Space Marine designed for a suicide mission and mentally
Well, i have another theory of corvus corax. What if he has devolop his power beyond his brothers but, he is still human?. You know he have the power to stay invisible, but what if he has the power of appear in whatever thing he likes in front of others like the emperor?, but since he has to hide from eslavers in delivernace he only know to be invisible but when he get in the warp unlocked is full portencial, dont you forget the history of demon corvus is always told by the perspective of the child molesters. Think about it
Now that i think about it... The wholle Hydra Thing.. You cut of ones head.. And 2 will take its place.. What if that IS the wholle point of Alpharius and Omegon... They USED to be 1... But they died... And split into 2.. Which is why we have them 2.. And now with him being killed by Dorn.... Maybe that 1 that was killed.. Split into 2.... Into 2 Alpha Legion space marines. As he was said to be not that much bigger than a regular space marine.
Any semi-decent primarch (aka an IQ above Magnus, Angron and the likes) could short circuit the whole Alpha legion. Imagine Perturabo or Guillaman, especially the Lion or Corax, beaten, kneeling, surrounded by Alpha Legion marines, bolters in hand, and then going "I am Alpharius, this is a lie". *Poof* their heads explode.
I theorize the lost primarchs and their legions submitted to minor chaos gods and dissappeared into the warp and thats why they were erased because they did that before the horus heresy My idea is that #2 joined the great horned rat being like mortarion except he wanted absolutr ruin and to bring glory to the skaven who had infiltrated every corner of the imperium seeking to remake mankind and 11 joined vashtorr as he was already tech obsessed like perty but wanted the true omnissiah
It belongs in AoS...where it is essentially that setting's equivalent of Vashtorr. But, I do remember a time when the Hrud were basically Space Skaven and I was keeping my fingers crossed for years hoping they'd hit the tabletop. Now they are anything but that...and it seems GW pulled back on Space Skaven, which I am still salty about decades later now. It would be great if the TGR was a thing in 40K, but alas, GW dropped the Exterminatus! on him.
@InquisitorRomanov I wouldn't consider hrud to be the rat people Nah I mean real skaven leaving in the sewers of towns and cities and hives and sneaking into the vents of ships to spy on u The horned rat could in theory work
@InquisitorRomanov also I wouldn't dare consider hrud to be space rats I'd prefer them to be humans hyper evolved by warp radiation after a 2nd war in heaven where all the gods died especially the emperor and chaos gods mutating humanity beyond repair with hrud evolved millions of years after the war with humanity still in disrepair and division #2 would be like a mix of mortarion and angron and vulkan interms of his contempt and his plague and desire to help humanity he wandered planet from planet in the great crusade disgusted by humanity's weakness simultaneously desperate to help them but always pulled away before he has the chance but he saw something very very weird... Talking rats half the size of a man he crushed them easily but he continued wandering into that rabbit hole like the weird conspiracy theorist he is and found out from runes in sewers underneath tetras hive cities they'd infiltrated every human city in the galaxy leaving during humanity's first colonization missions tasked by the horned rat to do so allowing them to mutate like humans had as they went planet and planet finding out there are a 100 million of them for every million humans but he wondered who is the horned rat so he wandered into the warp stumbling upon a hive city? That's right the horned rat manifested a hive city the size of a planet as both his palace and capital city till he found the thrones of the most high skaven clans then the horned rat who he bowed to and gained great power then went to the physical realm only to be sent out by fulgrim assumed dead only to reappear in 40,950 where he took one hive planet to place his palace on and a vacation area for highest skaven nobles and that planet has been hidden and randomly teleported throughout the great rift since it was opened with the ordo malleus hiding this phenomenon while constantly hunting it
That is one way to look at it. But, as I was reading it, I felt like it was a Tyler Durden moment. Alpharius is dissociative, so of course he believes that...
I'm glad I'm not the only one that realizes the Corpse Emperor was not a good guy in any way, shape or form, and that he never regarded the Primarchs as anything other than bioweapons. He never considered them sons, and any time he said otherwise to them, he was lying.
I'm half remembering something. When robotusin gillyweed revived and visited his father on the throne. The emperor called him ‘A thing.’ ‘A name.’ ‘Not a name.’ ‘A number. A tool. A product.’ But also says "My last loyal son, my pride, my greatest triumph. His sons are many things to him. He's just mercilessly honest too. Yes his sons, but also his weapons and tools to craft his future. I feel children are like that to all parents. To royalty, they are a continuation of their power. To normal folk. The only real path to a sort of genetic immortality and a hope that life for your blood improves.
@@ThunderChild23 if you think that's normal, and parents "...are like that to all parents...", do the children of the world a favor, and NEVER reproduce. I've been in law enforcement and my mother a probation officer and social worker for juvenile court. Parents that agree with what you said are the worst people in the world.
Do remember the Emperor has to sacrifice so much of his humanity to make them that the Emperor after their creation was not able to feel anything for them but before, he would have. My favourite scene that shows a peak into the father he could have been when Corvus Corax returns to Terra and they talk in the private villas beneath the mountain. The fact the Emperor even built those villas around a subterranean lake just for he and his sons...and presumably Malcador shows that despite he lost almost all of that ability to build an emotional bond with them, something remained.
@@WhiteIkiryo-yt2it he sacrificed to get his bioweapons. My favorite scenes include when he's taling to Malcador, referring to a Primarch, saying "what is it doing"? Just because he built houses to contain them doesn't mean he loved them. The Perpetuals saw what kind of person he really was, and what he was all about, and left him. Erda finally admitted what he was, and saw what he had planned for the Primarchs, and we know what she did.
So fun theory. There are 3 primarchs to the alpha legion. 3 heads of the hydra, 3 figures standing before dorn in a throne room of a fallen world during their campaign together. And alpharus is still alive. He was the first primarch found. Known for gathering intelegence on every other legion. He would have known you cant convince dorn. Omegon wouldnt have known because he was the last to be found and so would not have known dorn was impossible to convince. And Gammon, the third, because prove me wrong!
Someone being both a victim of circumstances, and then also being responsible for their actions as well, is not a contradiction at all in my mind. A person can be dealt a bad hand, and then double down on the bad things they do.
There are a few flaws, One, the authors confirmed IT WAS Alpharius and he is dead. Two, Dorn was an exceptional combatant and defeating Alparius was well within his abilities, Three, Valdor, while a true Badass, would not beat any primarch except maybe Lorgar. Four, there were times Alpharius and Omegon were physically together, not metaphorically. So cool theory but I do believe based on lore evidence that Alpharius is dead.
That’s great you believe those things. But very naive you think GW has provided an objective truth. Especially about AO. Of course their authors believe what they write is set in stone…then GW retcons it… The lore has been in flux for 25 years solid, at least.
@@InquisitorRomanovwhen the lore changes then it changes. The truth is the truth, tills it’s not. Those things are CURRENTLY the truth. When that changes then it won’t be, clearly. But for now, it is!
@@InquisitorAstelonI said it’s the truth till it’s not. It’s currently the truth, as I said when something official comes out that changes that, then it does. That doesn’t make it fluid. That is the Creator changing the story direction. When they do it is official…fans do it is fan fiction and nothing more
Inquisitor, from this video I can conclude you really detest the Emperor. Why? Like Corax is the perfect example of why loyalty is its own reward. He was an adult(emphasis here) and a whole primarch. Big E was handling the mess at the webway and you seem to imply he betrayed Corax for not coming to see him?That when the Emperor gave the guy the means to rebuild his legion and did not remove the traps and security measures for Corax to just walk and get them, that he is a bad dad?Really?The Emperor trusted Corax and gave him and no other the means to rebuild his legin. Corax was reeling from the despair and depression of the betrayal by his brothers. They not only turned against the imperium or the Emperor but against humanity by pledging their souls to the forces of hell. Corax, a primarch and a son of Big E took all this in and decided he would die fighting for the Emperor. He was not going to be a pity party btch like Perty or Lorgar or Morty. He was going to be a man! The Emperor was not fair and just to all his sons but he had already given each of them extraordinary power, a demi god physiology and their own private armies AND something to live or die for, humanity. They were to be humanity's fighting chance against the dying of the light. Something he told each one of them. And also none of them were broke lol. Big E may be a bad dad, a tyrant, uncaring for his sons but at least he isn't a hypocrite when he says only in death does duty(to humanity) end. When he lost it all, he sat on the throne just to keep fighting. The more heresy books I read the more I see loyal primarchs being basically adults and traitors being just children. Even Horus couldn't control them! Loyalty is its own reward.
@@rickyhines4867 Why? Because our glorious overlord, the God-Emperor of Mankind has in his infinite wisdom required of me to gaze deep into the abyss and behold the Dark King, and thus know the magnitude of his ultimate sacrifice. For the Imperium is not held together by faith alone. It is tyranny that binds these million worlds of humanity together, and the blood of martyrs that keeps it from falling apart. A never ending tide of red, enough to stain the galaxy, all that stands between us and annihilation. For all true servants of the Emperor know that he is the light and the darkness. Our only hope. Our salvation. But the greatest evil that ever walked in realspace, as the job of being him literally requires it. One doesn’t drink the souls of 10,000 psychers a day, utterly destroying them, and remain good. Such things as good and evil are beyond him, yet he must be both. If humans are to survive, he must be both king and monster. And he is. One need not love the Emperor as a man, nor even respect him, to know his Primarchs were tools. Weapons with which he conquered…but did not love as sons, but only as tools. Malcador loved them, but Big E flat out stated he did not. I do not judge the master of mankind for this. It is his nature. He is good beyond good and evil beyond evil. His empire forged in blood. It wouldn’t exactly be grimdark if he was some caring father figure.
@InquisitorRomanov Yes!Exactly! He is the necessary evil. But Big E loves his sons. Even Angron he tried to fix him but the damage was beyond him. Here's an excerpt: The man beneath the tree opens His mouth. Skin splits on His lips. ‘You have lied to him,’ He says, and the voice holds no crack or note of the wasting that marks His face. His eyes are on the serpents, and they rear up at his words, mouths open, fangs showing, eyes black pearls in the glare. ‘When he sees what you have made him, there will be nothing left of him for you. Nothing. You create only hollow things. You make a desolation of hope, and a wasteland of the future.’ ‘Hope…’ says Horus. He rolls the last of the dust between his fingers. ‘There is no hope for you, father, and there never was. This was inevitable. I was inevitable.’ Horus smiles, and nods. He flicks the last of the dust. The man beneath the tree coughs, the sound a rattle in a dry throat. ‘He shall undo you,’ says the man to the serpents. ‘I made him. I know him, his strengths and his flaws. To you he is only a slave, but he is still my SON.’ Horus’ face hardens, and suddenly there are shadows pooling on the ground as he rises to his feet. The sky bruises above him. The serpents lash towards the man beneath the tree. -From Mortis. My issue is that you call Big E a psycho yet Konrad in his madness is worse. When talking to sanguinius on Macragge, Konrad admits his argument is flawed but chooses it anyway. And of course, I don't want a soft mushy Emperor because he is about the business of saving humanity. The utter ruthless logic of the Lion is many times amplified in Big E. He does what He must no matter the cost. That's not psychopathy, that's the essential pragmatism needed for a leader of a whole species.
6:45 Alpharius does not kill the couple. There is a short scene when they’re orbiting the planet where he speaks to one of them again. He took them on as chapter serfs.
Indeed that is what it says. However, I assumed that it was a Tyler Durden moment, as by then I was sure that he had multiple personalities. Reading back over it, I'm more on the fence now. However that was my very first video, and I think I may need to revisit the topic as I have a lot more ideas about it now. Thanks for watching by the way!
Alpharius could go further into the hydra myth by also being a perpetual that duplicates when he dies. because when you cut off the head of a hydra two more grow back.
@@austinbarton7713 indeed. G’Lattro knew this, funny the promarchs themselves couldn’t even see it. Seems like most of the primarchs’ main blind spot is themselves.
Never understood the Russ is the underdog of his brothers bit. He killed at least one of the 2nd or 11th. He killed Magnus. Took a God's intervention to spirit his shattered soul away. He chose of prove a point to Angron that winning a fight isn't winning a war. Something emps should have taught him after he was "collected". He beat hyper coked chaos Horus. Only lost to his own hope for his longest known brother. He beat the strongest mage, fighter and leader of all his brothers but everyone's all "Oh but Russ is mid and needs to know his place." Also, the Truth of the spear is more likely why he left than that he was actually dying in the immediate future.
Russ hate is deranged. One comment after a recap of Russ letting The Khan go after he appeared nearly dead on the Wolf Kings bridge was 'Khan could have killed Russ unarmed while in that state in seconds.' If it was Sanguinius who had Russ job watch the 'greatest duellist' be downgraded instantly to 'Lorgar would wreck Angel-boy'. It's just people being bitter.
Except Russ literally said the words "I'm dying," to his sons, I would feel the same way. He probably found the Tree of Life, as he did show up in the warp and hook up with Karamazov and his crew in TTS.
@@InquisitorRomanov I mean, as well say he's dying cause the lion stabbed him through the fucking heart when he was barely recovered, like a true older brother. I just don't think the two things are directly related. And that it's more likely the spear showed him his end. Or the assault from Horus channeling the four gods fucked up something... wolf related. Dear lord, I hope he comes back as Odin and not Fenrir.
Is it possible instead of warp daemons in the primarchs the emperor used pure warp energy? Thats why corvus can change form however he wants inside the warp thats why the chaos gods said he stole from them he actually stole pure power from them like stealing part of their domain and making it his own
@GodOfWar109 he kinda what i what i was saying towards the end of it but the only one that I can't figure out is sanguinius because of the 2 different Angels in the warp
I'd say that is very possible. Sanguinius is our clue that it was actual warp entities...but Horus was quoted as saying "you stole power from the gods..." which could be exactly what you are saying. I'd love it if they cleared this one up, and gave us more of a definitive answer.
@@sarbnitrof4663 he created them using the warp, cramming various mid-tier souls/entities into physical bodies of flesh he engineered. Not necessarily chaos though, as the warp is literally infinite and chaos is but a small part. But Big E was said to have made a deal with the chaos gods to gain access to the empyrean spirits he used, but betrayed them and didn’t deliver on his end…but I believe he did deliver and the deal was for eternal war. But that’s why Horus starts out the beginning of the Horus Heresy trailer saying, “you stole power from the gods…” The power he stole was used to create the 20 demigod sons. And every time it is revealed to a primarch what their true nature is it doesn’t go too well. Russ probably took it best. But yeah, they were considered tools, not sons, despite the Emperor allowing them to call home that. So Big E feels that what happened to the primarchs was his own failure as much as theirs. And he’s leaving the door open for them to return to loyalists. He tells Mortarion as much. Curze too, sort of.
With corvus i agree that its too far gone for him to just come back as a primarch likely itll be far in the future but if he ever got cornered i feel having the lion save him would be how he comes back or a big enough chaos defence start up that the imperium takes notice of but he could return especially if he just stays in his normal form for "appearances sake" but it would be a looong time before that like the khan is probably gonna fight vashtorr before we see that
6:46 correct me if I’m wrong but it doesnt seem like he killed the family of Annie in Part 2. If you go to Part 3 in the Bar’savor chapter, he is speaking to Annie on the holodeck. He specifically says he “detests waste” and offered the family positions as serfs of the legion. Even joking with her that she should get used to using honorifics while addressing the battle brothers. This characterization of Alpharius and the fact he is not beholden to his name only the results is why he is my favorite primarch.
I saw this as a Tyler Durden moment. I was already convinced Alpharius was suffering from DID, so that made sense to me. Leaving them alive, seemed like a total fake out...but also just what his mind was telling itself. In my theory, Alpharius is never bothered by anything he does. This is simply the result. Or, you could just take it all at face value. But I find that with AL, nothing is ever face value.
@@InquisitorRomanov thats true. If going with your theory he could just be speaking to a figment of annie at the holodeck since there was no one else interacting with them.
That's what I assumed...but the evidence probably points more toward a straightforward explanation. However, with AL you can never trust the evidence, lol!
That is a very popular theory actually and the more I see people say that the more it looks feasible. Plus let me posit this… The nature of the hydra in mythology was, sure it had multiple heads, but if you cut one off two more grew back in its place.
@@InquisitorRomanov maybe his geneseed has a recall code for his soul. That way them all claiming the name of Alpharius is kinda true in a sense while the strongest amongst them is actually the true one
Considering that Alpharius was considered to be smallest of Primarch - well, maybe, just maybe..... so-called Alpha Legion is pure and simply, clones of Primarch, weakend without warp component and _amputated, simplistic souls_.
That’s, in my mind when I made this video, an example of dissociative identity disorder. A Tyler Durden moment. My mind had changed a lot since I made this video. I do love the theory and found a lot of folks share that POV, but I think it’s deeper now, after exploring it the Trefoil. I need to reread it though…or relisten to the audiobook. Hopefully I’m wrong as you say…I liked that family.
The alpharius stuff is really cool, but after watching your vid on the lost primarchs name, i remember you said yhere was still 21 chairs at some table for the primarchs. Other than that, very very cool stuff
One was for the Emperor. That part got cut from the audio...completely by accident on the Lost Primarchs video. I'm glad you brought it up, so I can clear it up...but yeah, I edited that until 3AM and made a couple mistakes. I also stated the Soul Drinkers were Ultramarines successors but they're Imperial Fists... But yeah, so it was supposed to be 20 for the Primarchs and one for Big E. But I find it funny that none of the Primarchs are aware at all of Omegon...seems suspicious. However, after making that Alpharius video (the first video I did on the channel) so many people's comments have me second guessing even that. I'm gonna have to rethink pretty much everything again, three times over now...Hydra Dominatus! But honestly, thanks for bring that up about the 21 chairs because that has been bothering me since that video dropped...but you're the first to bring it up. Sorry for the oh so long response btw.
Disagree about Alpharius. He is actually 2 bodies. When Alpharius was killed by Dorn, Omegon psychically felt the loss of his twin and assumed Alpharius’ name when Horus called for him.
@@JohnnyFiction it is how I interpret the events of Alpharius: Head of the Hydra. New lore tends to contradict old lore nowadays… But you have to look at Head of the Hydra through a Tyler Durden lens. Is anything truly canon when it comes to AL?
I saw a video how Guilliman might actually be Alpharius in disguise. Why not take it a step further? Alpharius defeated Guilliman, brainwashed him into believing he's Alpharius, then sicced him on Dorn. Some real Victor Reznov shit
It is referred to heavily throughout both the Horus Heresy books, and 40K books. Horus literally says it in the animated trailer they released for the Horus Heresy tabletop game when it came out. Yeah, Big E made a backdoor deal with the chaos gods, who gave him access to warp entities/demigods to stuff into flesh bodies (the primarchs) but the Emperor didn’t deliver on his part of the deal which is why chaos scattered the primarchs. Its all through the books.
@@InquisitorRomanov I've read numerous books and haven't seen that. Seems to me its most likely now retconed lore. Wish I could find Malcador or the Emperor saying it. Well guess I won't have a new book to read yet.
@@InquisitorRomanov I was never a fan, but after listening to the true atrocities they committed at the Burning of Prospero, it truly made me hate them. TRAITOROUS HORRIFICUS. EXCOMMUNICATE TRAITOROUS.
@@InquisitorRomanov and in some ways it would be poetic, the returning Primarchs are coming back having learned or changed in ways that help them overcome their shortfalls, and this would be one for Rus.
So if Omegon is still alive then Alpharius is alive so who did Dorn kill? A primaris alpha marine? Cause they are big and Alpharius/Omegon are the smallest of the Primarchs.
the Alpharius one is interesting, how the fk would Alpharius (if he was one half and had half primarch power) be able to drive Dorn the chad to his knees ? an half primarch when this dude doesn't care about fighting demon primarchs ?
Disagree on DiD totally agree on whatever lore you speak on. Bc I know almost nothing about it. I just enjoy listening to all the different lore. But as far as DiD goes, there’s never been any evidence that a psychological disorder such as that exists. You have the majority of psychologists and therapists and psychiatrists agreeing that it in fact does not exist, some saying that it could but there’s no way to confirm it. And a few saying it definitely exists. So, I tend to stick with the predominant and scientific consensus view of-it doesn’t exist.
Interesting. I made that Alpharius video feeling that my theory was right. There was some pushback to it, so I reread Head of the Hydra. And now I’m looking at my own theory as sus. But yeah, that was my very first video. Now I’m finding this community appreciates straight up lore, so I tend to keep my conspiracy theories out of my videos for the most part now. But seriously glad you watched, and you enjoyed the lore. Thanks for the knowledge on DID too. But yeah, I’ve come to the belief I may have been wrong about Alpharius actually being Tyler Durden.
I prefer that some or all of the lost legions leave the Galaxy. The large and small magellanic clouds two dwarf galaxies arent that far away. The Large megellanic cloud is 163,000 light years away. It contains approximately 30 billion stars. The edge of which could have contained a FTL capable civilization. That unfortunately got run into by a fleeing portion of the 11th or 2nd. Warp fun narrative magic & those marines/legions live on for a time. Then for "not my job" reason to write. They decide to come back. Maybe there was never really a consensus on leaving. Who knows but while on thier way back & due to an unknown pathogen. The Marines begin to mutant and fast. Before they even leave the LMC's outer regions they have drastically changed. They have become hive like & animalistic. Fully dependent upon the consumption of bio mass or convinced of it. Everything about them becomes lost & twisted. They begin clearing the small galaxy of life. Then before all the life of the LMC is devoured. A bright flash of warp & materium light cat hes thwir attention. Unable to ignore this light, this signal like a moth to flame. The proto Tyranids head towards home. Hell you could even tap this wellspring. For all sorts of stuff. Maybe an Old One less aligned with the majority of its species foed here as well. Maybe it even constructed a means by which travel here is possible. You could literally go ape. In fact we haven't scanned the sky thoroughly enough to rule out the existence of other dwarf galaxies. There could even be one. Thats the correct distance for the 10,000 years to make perfect sense. If such a DG doesn't exist. Just nake it up. If i suddenly found myself in the GW-Space Marine Verse. My #1 objective. Would be to get as far away from the Imperium as possible. Just like had i ever woke up in the World of Darkness. I would have headed for Alaska as fast as Vampiricly possible. In any event, there is nearly an endless possibility for this narrative.
Hating the J.J. Abrams approach to writing with a passion, I have to say: I don't like Alpharius and/or Omegon and their legion. The memes are great though. This comment is a lie.
Gotta love how many characters just get soo powerful and decide to just go hunting solo in the warp or webways 😂 you got liek 5 primarks doing it and Draigo of the grey knights and several other former chapter masters. Cant help but feel the real reason chaos tries to get out soo mucn 😂they can die for real in there. All the Primarks are Perpetuals soo they'll all come back Fulgrim is confirmed and the Emp is too seems silly he wouldn't make them all. Horus is the only dead dead one as the Emps sword trashes souls
It was to juxtapose people with their noses turned up about others with people that others don't take seriously in general. Thus graduate students (typically snarky and douchey) looking down on a juggalo (typically the butt end of society's jokes and the people taken LEAST seriously by society in general). It was allegorical...why is that lost on you?
@@InquisitorRomanov it was actually because I never expected to hear jugglo getting referenced in a 40k video mate. No need to be offended , I was fairly impressed
I wasn't offended, just having a very hard time explaining my train of thought. I was kind of a douche though...sorry about that. I never expected to get so many views or comments...and some have been so vitriolic that it is hard to wash the taste out of my mouth from one comment to another. So today I decided to engage with one at a time, at most. Because it sucks carrying negativity into a conversation where none existed. You wouldn't believe the things people have said since this video launched...that's why the comments are held for revue now. Again, looking back over that I was kind of an ass, so sorry.
Of course there are. But, have you read Head of the Hydra or Harrowmaster? Books that came out recently, and in true Alpha Legion fashion completely contradict old lore.
Here's the thing, the warp wasn't native to the chaos gods, it existed way before them, chaos only became a thing after the war in heavens, so in a way, the warp energy are not bad or chaos energy by nature, they are just a form of energy, and anyone with a powerful enough soul and presence can control that energy, so the emperor didn't make any pact with chaos to finish his primarch project, he simply had a big enough presence in the warp and he could take warp energy and use it, this is why beings like Celestine and Corvax exist, they seem too similar to chaos demon or entities because they use the same energy that the chaos uses, that is the warp energy nothing more, it's like a Toyota and Honda both uses petrol to operate, but just because something uses petrol doesn't make it a Toyota or Honda, someone using warp energy doesn't make them chaos, as the warp wasn't chaos's to begin with, it was a neutral thing, anyone powerful enough can borrow from it
Except it literally states that he did. Read the first 3 HH books. And the Horus Heresy trailer literally opens with the line about Big E stealing power from the gods. Nice try, but not quite accurate.
@@InquisitorRomanov stealing in what sense? making pact with them? Chaos thinks everything is rightfully theirs specially the warp, so Big E taking power form the warp can be interpretated as stealing form the dark gods, also if he made a pact with chaos how can he steal the power then? it's either he just took alot of energy from the warp that weakened the chaos gods so they got mad over it or he just made a pact with chaos(which is your head canon) it was never stated that Big E made any sort of pact with chaos, he went through the gate of Molech but we don't know what happened there, or maybe you are right, we never know, but anyone can use warp energy and manipulate it, there are alot of pocket dimensions there, or power characters occupying their own realm within, so it's hard to say
It's my belief that the emperor knew exactly what he was doing and doing so purposefully when he "half assed" his actions with Corvus. In fact I think he purposefully set Horus on his path to chaos when leaving the great crusade in much the same way he set Lorgar on his own path to Chaos with the destruction of Monarchia. Malcador says as much in a conversation with Valdor in the last Horus heresy book I think it was.
Yeah, it seems that Big E and Malcador were just playing chess with the galaxy, and pitting the Primarchs against one another was the plan the whole time...which is absolutely pathetic, and I am going heretic now....I'm out!
A returned Corax would be better as a loyalist Angron really: he leads nothing, he commands nothing, his sons may follow but he does not direct them. He is a force of nature more than a Primarch. A Warp-fueled war engine and line breaker
This video collects our first four Primarch videos into one compilation. We'll be doing four of these videos, and another to collect the last 2, in the process getting to all 18 of the known Primarchs. We hope you enjoy the theories, and ask that even though they are some hot takes, that you remember that these are our theories...not GW canon lore (though we try to base them on all the facts we can see). Especially on the Alpharius video we got some seriously mad people yelling at us.
So, yes, to reiterate, these are opinion pieces and we don't work for GW in any way, shape, or form.
@InquisitorRomanov this longer video is what made me subscribe I've listen to warhammer lore videos to sleep since I was in the marine corps backing 2017 and the longer the better I sleep so keep it up
@@hunterrogers4116 awesome. I’m the same way and like longer videos too. Basically for the Primarchs I’ve got the plan to do 4 compilations of 4, then do a final video with my favorite and least favorite.
With regard to Russ, it is important to remember that Horus was found first, Russ was found second. They were brothers before they were much else. When Russ left to attack the Vengeful Spirit, he did it out of love and horror. Horror that is brother could fall and a deep sense of love and loss for Horus. When his speer pierced Horus that day, it was love which stayed Russ' hand. Centimeters from the primarchs hearts, he pleaded with Horus to return with him to Terra and be healed by their father. It is said that The Lion is a beast pretending to be a man, and Russ is a man pretending to be a beast. Now that The Lion has returned, he seems wiser and much more forgiving(forgiving the fallen). Perhaps if Russ returns, he will be the opposite. He was compassionate once, and it cost him everything.
Truly a deep introspection. This is true in the realest sense. Probably deserves its own video actually.
Do it to it, buddy!
Corax comes back in demon form to get revenge on Lorgar then turn his sight on the Emperor but Curze swoops in like Batman and saves the day fulfilling the redemption vision. Curze then takes over the Raptor chapter that's revealed to be using his geneseed. *puts blunt down
Better than most Black Library books.
Corax is way too close with the emperor and not as petty as Curze
He's not a demon
@@DarkAzreal77 demon, mutant... all the same heresy.
knowing Curze it might be the rap*st chapter now
A returned Corax would be better as a loyalist Angron really: he leads nothing, he commands nothing, his sons may follow but he does not direct them. He is a force of nature more than a Primarch. A Warp-fueled war engine and line breaker
About Corvus Corax.... Hear me out. Shrike is called to a world being beset by Dark Eldar. These same Dark Eldar pirates possess an artifact valuable to Yvraine that they stole from soem Craftworld.
Shrike ends up teaming up with her and some Harlequins after some convincing and together they purge the Dark Eldar.
Shrike and Yvraine speak of the current state of the Imperium. She comments that she admires the subtle, detached nature and fighting tactics of the Ravenguard, commenting on how different it was from the Ultramarines she aided.
He tells her of his Primarch, and she remembers having visions of a shadow, cold and unyielding yet not wrought from an essence of malice, but of vengeance. She speaks of a powerful being that stalks the Webway, searching specifically for the Monkai traitors who rebelled against their Emperor.
Shrike immediately realizes she's talking about his Primarch. He goes into a dark rage, taking her aback.
Then he calms down... And speaks. "Tell me, witch. Have you need of a company of the sons of the Raven Lord? Should you lead us to our father, we shall offer our edge to yours. We share the same enemy..."
That would be cool indeed.
@@InquisitorRomanov thank you! Yeah it came to me as I listened to your video. However I admit I now think it's to similar to Guilliman's resurrection. Though I can't see another way, but I'll think about it.
Takes him to Jagati
In "Praetorian of Dorn", when Rogal kills Alpharius with Strom's Teeth, it's described that, when he dies a "detonation of light" occurs which is pretty much how a death of a primarch is described since they're warp entities, so I would argue that Dorn did kill Alpharius, whereas Roboute killed an imposter astartes. Also Hydra Dominatus!
Now that the Lion has returned, I really hope Russ returns and he's older and fatter. The reunion between old man balding Johnson and a chunky boy Russ would be hilarious.
The Lion, "My brother, despite our previous encounters, it is good to see you again."
Russ, "Aye my brother, but you've gotten old, and your hairline recedes as we speak."
Lion, "Yes my brother, and you've gotten fat from your mead."
That is great. The hardest I've laughed all morning. This needs to happen. I suggested that SW and DA would fight upon Russ returning, but this is so much better.
We still have yet to see Guilliman reunite with Lion...at this point, after reading this, I need G man to say something about that hairline too!
@InquisitorRomanov Much agreed there, however I do not see the two fighting like they had before the Heresy, Just finished the Primarch Novel for Russ and he seemed to very much mourn the Death/disappearance of the Lion in the book.
Yeah, he definitely loved his brother, for sure. Despite the little fights they'd have.
Bro Rogal Dorn sparred with Valdor, he lost the first one then beat Valdor every single other time. He could definitely kill Alpharius, look what he did to Fulgrim.
I am aware...but I love to nominalize Dorn all I can...he's one of my least favorite characters in the entire setting.
Valdor would kill Dorn in all out combat no ifs ands or buts
@@InquisitorRomanovalso wasn't alpharius still like not a full adult yet
@@Darkxarcher primarchs reach adulthood in like a decade. He was full grown
@@bloodangel19 I heard that was the case, but alpharius faught valdor in "head of the hydra" before Horus was even found so he would be like "5" max no?
Problem with the Alpharius theory is that Solomen Akura isn't a heresy era marine, so he doesn't have a clue, where as Kassar an alpha legionary from the book shroud of night is a heresy era marine and Kassar consistently speaks of Alpharius and Omegon being 2 separate primarchs.
I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure the end of Legion gives a 3rd person account of both of them being at the cabal meeting too.
That’s cute you feel like there is “truth” in any Alpha Legion book. Good luck with that!
@@danzigmccoy To add to your point, both alpharius and omegon are seen in gestation pods prior to them being scattered when the traitor legions time travel during the heresy. Also russ was not stabbed with his own spear, that was alpharius who got stabbed by dorn with the pale spear which he took from alpharius. The emperor did care for his primarchs as his children. You have to disregard his conversations with malcador and the fact that he literally ripped a piece of his soul away that contained his love just to be able to face horus. This guy is just reading a 40k iceberg from a decade back for his primarch knowledge.
Not to mention, John Gramaticus also pointed out that there's two of them in the HH book Legion.
@@barlotardy😊 I was going to say this, grammaticus looks at Omega and says that you are the same there is no difference between then he calls them out then and there. He can tell the difference between all the alpha regions that call themselves alpharius.
Alpharius table of 1..?? Everyone waitng in the lobby of the restaurant: thats me,im Alpharius...everyone looks around confused...then all hell breaks loose!!
Alpharius and Omegon were one and got split into two with one part of chaos and one being for imperium. Also allowing for the purged to be returned as a chaos legion. (Make 10 chaos and 10 imperium) As the forgotten had been incorporated into other legions.
Really cool video. This is my best 40k youtube find in ages
Glad you liked it
One mistery about Curze I really want to know is that he had a diary called " The Dark" in which I believe he has written all the visions of the future and some more secrets about the legion. I do believe he is coming back somehow.
Yeah, the dark is rad. Everything about Corvus is rad...though I do believe we can safely put him in the Renegade Primarch camp now. I think he doesn't care about the Emperor at all now...and why should he?
@@InquisitorRomanov You mean Konrad?
Ok so with the Alpharius thing. Every primarch has an ability and there is a book where omegon gives a space marine his blood and the guy turns into like a Demi omegon. Can’t remember what book but it had to do something with disrupting a beacon to help the scars.
Shroud of Night. I just bought it, and haven’t had a chance to read it yet, but pretty sure that’s the book.
Thanks for that i knew that was a thing but i couldnt remember where it was from and I thought i was going crazy
This is the best explanation I've heard. My new favourite lore channel!
Wow, thanks! Welcome aboard.
Disagree about Corax. I pray he returns one day with a vengeance!
Quite a bit of Emperor slander in here. Malcador has in several seperate instances referenced the unexpected affection the Emperor has for “His sons”.
I believe the Emperor is a much more complicated and complex character than most people want to give him credit for. We have to keep in mind that He is barely human,(if at all), by our standards. However his motivations and thoughts are very human when distilled down. The sheer amount of work the Emperor undertook with the great crusade cannot be understated, and in fact might not be able to be put into words.
Wait until my video on the Emperor comes out. It addresses quite a bit of that. And honestly, I agree with you for the most part. After making these last few videos I have thought about his character, and the depth of it quite a bit. It is very hard not to project the identity of "human" on to him...but you're right. He's anything but that.
Also, I am kind of a bit of a heretic, so...
@@InquisitorRomanovI’m looking forward to it. I love more nuanced 40K discussions.:] I’ll have the inquisition on standby.
Awesome
If you believe that the emperor is a composite soul like the old lore states, then various aspects of his soul can come to the fore at various times, bringing with them different attitudes towards the primarchs
for the love of god dont let him return as a wolf. have him return as a more wise and calm odin like figure
That would probably be best.
With Corax playing the role of Huginn and Muninn
Corax, there is the possibility he never left the tower and that's his astral projection hunting lorgar. Imagine gw exploiting story and game rules to sell you 2 corax models, one primarch one crow demon thing, tabletop rules one bounces off the table to reserves and the other one deepstrikes
I actually love this!
@InquisitorRomanov if they ever release a corax primarch model I'm buying it and saying the forgotten one recalled my carcharodons from the outer dark. If they did release two corax models it'd probably be like Marathi, just choose one to field
The Alpharius theory could work considering the Alpha Legion did steal Corax's notes from the Emperor on genetic augmentation... Rogal could've been fighting a genetically altered Space Marine designed for a suicide mission and mentally
Maybe Guillaman is Alpharius?
Well, i have another theory of corvus corax. What if he has devolop his power beyond his brothers but, he is still human?. You know he have the power to stay invisible, but what if he has the power of appear in whatever thing he likes in front of others like the emperor?, but since he has to hide from eslavers in delivernace he only know to be invisible but when he get in the warp unlocked is full portencial, dont you forget the history of demon corvus is always told by the perspective of the child molesters. Think about it
Nice theory. You should make a video.
@@InquisitorRomanov i leave de honors for people with talent like you, im just a raven guard player who loves the lore
Now that i think about it... The wholle Hydra Thing.. You cut of ones head.. And 2 will take its place.. What if that IS the wholle point of Alpharius and Omegon... They USED to be 1... But they died... And split into 2.. Which is why we have them 2.. And now with him being killed by Dorn.... Maybe that 1 that was killed.. Split into 2.... Into 2 Alpha Legion space marines. As he was said to be not that much bigger than a regular space marine.
And AL are typically taller than most Astartes…
really really enjoyed this video!!!
Glad to hear it.
This was great chap. Really enjoyed listening to your theories
Much appreciated!
Ok I originally said I hated your alpharius take, but on a second viewing, I am much warmer to it now. Thanks again
Awesome! Glad to hear it.
Any semi-decent primarch (aka an IQ above Magnus, Angron and the likes) could short circuit the whole Alpha legion. Imagine Perturabo or Guillaman, especially the Lion or Corax, beaten, kneeling, surrounded by Alpha Legion marines, bolters in hand, and then going "I am Alpharius, this is a lie".
*Poof* their heads explode.
@@matt_9112 I love this!
I theorize the lost primarchs and their legions submitted to minor chaos gods and dissappeared into the warp and thats why they were erased because they did that before the horus heresy
My idea is that #2 joined the great horned rat being like mortarion except he wanted absolutr ruin and to bring glory to the skaven who had infiltrated every corner of the imperium seeking to remake mankind and 11 joined vashtorr as he was already tech obsessed like perty but wanted the true omnissiah
That is a sick theory. I was just thinking about doing a video on those two today. I love the Vashtorr connection, that’s awesome.
@@InquisitorRomanov and the great horned rats inclusion?
It belongs in AoS...where it is essentially that setting's equivalent of Vashtorr. But, I do remember a time when the Hrud were basically Space Skaven and I was keeping my fingers crossed for years hoping they'd hit the tabletop. Now they are anything but that...and it seems GW pulled back on Space Skaven, which I am still salty about decades later now. It would be great if the TGR was a thing in 40K, but alas, GW dropped the Exterminatus! on him.
@InquisitorRomanov I wouldn't consider hrud to be the rat people
Nah I mean real skaven leaving in the sewers of towns and cities and hives and sneaking into the vents of ships to spy on u
The horned rat could in theory work
@InquisitorRomanov also I wouldn't dare consider hrud to be space rats I'd prefer them to be humans hyper evolved by warp radiation after a 2nd war in heaven where all the gods died especially the emperor and chaos gods mutating humanity beyond repair with hrud evolved millions of years after the war with humanity still in disrepair and division
#2 would be like a mix of mortarion and angron and vulkan interms of his contempt and his plague and desire to help humanity he wandered planet from planet in the great crusade disgusted by humanity's weakness simultaneously desperate to help them but always pulled away before he has the chance but he saw something very very weird...
Talking rats half the size of a man he crushed them easily but he continued wandering into that rabbit hole like the weird conspiracy theorist he is and found out from runes in sewers underneath tetras hive cities they'd infiltrated every human city in the galaxy leaving during humanity's first colonization missions tasked by the horned rat to do so allowing them to mutate like humans had as they went planet and planet finding out there are a 100 million of them for every million humans but he wondered who is the horned rat so he wandered into the warp stumbling upon a hive city? That's right the horned rat manifested a hive city the size of a planet as both his palace and capital city till he found the thrones of the most high skaven clans then the horned rat who he bowed to and gained great power then went to the physical realm only to be sent out by fulgrim assumed dead only to reappear in 40,950 where he took one hive planet to place his palace on and a vacation area for highest skaven nobles and that planet has been hidden and randomly teleported throughout the great rift since it was opened with the ordo malleus hiding this phenomenon while constantly hunting it
Yeah that family Alpharius never butchered them. He took them in the legion as serfs
That is one way to look at it. But, as I was reading it, I felt like it was a Tyler Durden moment. Alpharius is dissociative, so of course he believes that...
@@InquisitorRomanov Aha got it. Yeah I can see that
A Warhammer UA-camr that doesn't repeat the tyranid hivemind content 40k farm?! Based
Well, I am a radical of the Ordo Hereticus. My whole point is dropping exterminatus on the mental stagnation that rots the Imperium from within.
I think the raven Lord is a trial to see if stepping into just lore will work
Maybe 🤔
Nice!
I'm glad I'm not the only one that realizes the Corpse Emperor was not a good guy in any way, shape or form, and that he never regarded the Primarchs as anything other than bioweapons. He never considered them sons, and any time he said otherwise to them, he was lying.
Yeah, the Emperor’s true nature as a galactic psychopath is something we’re quite aware of at the Inquisition
I'm half remembering something. When robotusin gillyweed revived and visited his father on the throne. The emperor called him
‘A thing.’
‘A name.’
‘Not a name.’
‘A number. A tool. A product.’
But also says
"My last loyal son, my pride, my greatest triumph.
His sons are many things to him. He's just mercilessly honest too. Yes his sons, but also his weapons and tools to craft his future. I feel children are like that to all parents. To royalty, they are a continuation of their power. To normal folk. The only real path to a sort of genetic immortality and a hope that life for your blood improves.
@@ThunderChild23 if you think that's normal, and parents "...are like that to all parents...", do the children of the world a favor, and NEVER reproduce. I've been in law enforcement and my mother a probation officer and social worker for juvenile court. Parents that agree with what you said are the worst people in the world.
Do remember the Emperor has to sacrifice so much of his humanity to make them that the Emperor after their creation was not able to feel anything for them but before, he would have. My favourite scene that shows a peak into the father he could have been when Corvus Corax returns to Terra and they talk in the private villas beneath the mountain. The fact the Emperor even built those villas around a subterranean lake just for he and his sons...and presumably Malcador shows that despite he lost almost all of that ability to build an emotional bond with them, something remained.
@@WhiteIkiryo-yt2it he sacrificed to get his bioweapons. My favorite scenes include when he's taling to Malcador, referring to a Primarch, saying "what is it doing"? Just because he built houses to contain them doesn't mean he loved them. The Perpetuals saw what kind of person he really was, and what he was all about, and left him. Erda finally admitted what he was, and saw what he had planned for the Primarchs, and we know what she did.
So fun theory. There are 3 primarchs to the alpha legion. 3 heads of the hydra, 3 figures standing before dorn in a throne room of a fallen world during their campaign together. And alpharus is still alive. He was the first primarch found. Known for gathering intelegence on every other legion. He would have known you cant convince dorn. Omegon wouldnt have known because he was the last to be found and so would not have known dorn was impossible to convince. And Gammon, the third, because prove me wrong!
Hydra Dominatus! Welcome to the Inquisition. You aren’t wrong about any of that.
Bold of you to assume Sigmar isn't the third head, the bold figurehead meant to lead from the front while his brothers operated in the shadows.
Someone being both a victim of circumstances, and then also being responsible for their actions as well, is not a contradiction at all in my mind.
A person can be dealt a bad hand, and then double down on the bad things they do.
Good perspective on this.
@ThePontiusGlaw69 What are your thoughts on this view of Alpharius? I love it.
There are a few flaws, One, the authors confirmed IT WAS Alpharius and he is dead. Two, Dorn was an exceptional combatant and defeating Alparius was well within his abilities, Three, Valdor, while a true Badass, would not beat any primarch except maybe Lorgar. Four, there were times Alpharius and Omegon were physically together, not metaphorically. So cool theory but I do believe based on lore evidence that Alpharius is dead.
I am Alpharius
That’s great you believe those things. But very naive you think GW has provided an objective truth. Especially about AO.
Of course their authors believe what they write is set in stone…then GW retcons it…
The lore has been in flux for 25 years solid, at least.
@@InquisitorRomanovwhen the lore changes then it changes. The truth is the truth, tills it’s not. Those things are CURRENTLY the truth. When that changes then it won’t be, clearly. But for now, it is!
Official sources also said for decades that the Emperor destroyed Horus's soul until it was revealed in a novel that he didn't.
@@InquisitorAstelonI said it’s the truth till it’s not. It’s currently the truth, as I said when something official comes out that changes that, then it does. That doesn’t make it fluid. That is the Creator changing the story direction. When they do it is official…fans do it is fan fiction and nothing more
Corax sound like Malice really.
Colors, renegate warp creature... Fighting both sides...
I like this idea.
Inquisitor, from this video I can conclude you really detest the Emperor. Why? Like Corax is the perfect example of why loyalty is its own reward. He was an adult(emphasis here) and a whole primarch. Big E was handling the mess at the webway and you seem to imply he betrayed Corax for not coming to see him?That when the Emperor gave the guy the means to rebuild his legion and did not remove the traps and security measures for Corax to just walk and get them, that he is a bad dad?Really?The Emperor trusted Corax and gave him and no other the means to rebuild his legin. Corax was reeling from the despair and depression of the betrayal by his brothers. They not only turned against the imperium or the Emperor but against humanity by pledging their souls to the forces of hell. Corax, a primarch and a son of Big E took all this in and decided he would die fighting for the Emperor. He was not going to be a pity party btch like Perty or Lorgar or Morty. He was going to be a man! The Emperor was not fair and just to all his sons but he had already given each of them extraordinary power, a demi god physiology and their own private armies AND something to live or die for, humanity. They were to be humanity's fighting chance against the dying of the light. Something he told each one of them. And also none of them were broke lol. Big E may be a bad dad, a tyrant, uncaring for his sons but at least he isn't a hypocrite when he says only in death does duty(to humanity) end. When he lost it all, he sat on the throne just to keep fighting. The more heresy books I read the more I see loyal primarchs being basically adults and traitors being just children. Even Horus couldn't control them! Loyalty is its own reward.
@@rickyhines4867 Why? Because our glorious overlord, the God-Emperor of Mankind has in his infinite wisdom required of me to gaze deep into the abyss and behold the Dark King, and thus know the magnitude of his ultimate sacrifice. For the Imperium is not held together by faith alone. It is tyranny that binds these million worlds of humanity together, and the blood of martyrs that keeps it from falling apart. A never ending tide of red, enough to stain the galaxy, all that stands between us and annihilation.
For all true servants of the Emperor know that he is the light and the darkness. Our only hope. Our salvation. But the greatest evil that ever walked in realspace, as the job of being him literally requires it. One doesn’t drink the souls of 10,000 psychers a day, utterly destroying them, and remain good. Such things as good and evil are beyond him, yet he must be both. If humans are to survive, he must be both king and monster. And he is.
One need not love the Emperor as a man, nor even respect him, to know his Primarchs were tools. Weapons with which he conquered…but did not love as sons, but only as tools. Malcador loved them, but Big E flat out stated he did not. I do not judge the master of mankind for this. It is his nature. He is good beyond good and evil beyond evil. His empire forged in blood.
It wouldn’t exactly be grimdark if he was some caring father figure.
@InquisitorRomanov Yes!Exactly! He is the necessary evil. But Big E loves his sons. Even Angron he tried to fix him but the damage was beyond him. Here's an excerpt:
The man beneath the tree opens His mouth. Skin splits on His lips.
‘You have lied to him,’ He says, and the voice holds no crack or note of the wasting that marks His face. His eyes are on the serpents, and they rear up at his words, mouths open, fangs showing, eyes black pearls in the glare. ‘When he sees what you have made him, there will be nothing left of him for you. Nothing. You create only hollow things. You make a desolation of hope, and a wasteland of the future.’
‘Hope…’ says Horus. He rolls the last of the dust between his fingers. ‘There is no hope for you, father, and there never was. This was inevitable. I was inevitable.’
Horus smiles, and nods. He flicks the last of the dust.
The man beneath the tree coughs, the sound a rattle in a dry throat.
‘He shall undo you,’ says the man to the serpents. ‘I made him. I know him, his strengths and his flaws. To you he is only a slave, but he is still my SON.’
Horus’ face hardens, and suddenly there are shadows pooling on the ground as he rises to his feet. The sky bruises above him. The serpents lash towards the man beneath the tree.
-From Mortis.
My issue is that you call Big E a psycho yet Konrad in his madness is worse. When talking to sanguinius on Macragge, Konrad admits his argument is flawed but chooses it anyway. And of course, I don't want a soft mushy Emperor because he is about the business of saving humanity. The utter ruthless logic of the Lion is many times amplified in Big E. He does what He must no matter the cost. That's not psychopathy, that's the essential pragmatism needed for a leader of a whole species.
6:45 Alpharius does not kill the couple. There is a short scene when they’re orbiting the planet where he speaks to one of them again. He took them on as chapter serfs.
Indeed that is what it says. However, I assumed that it was a Tyler Durden moment, as by then I was sure that he had multiple personalities. Reading back over it, I'm more on the fence now. However that was my very first video, and I think I may need to revisit the topic as I have a lot more ideas about it now. Thanks for watching by the way!
The aplharius section.... He is the Narrator
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I, too, have been in the hobby for 20+ years and disagree with many of your views. But you make good content, so I'll sub.
Thanks, I appreciate that.
Alpharius could go further into the hydra myth by also being a perpetual that duplicates when he dies. because when you cut off the head of a hydra two more grow back.
@@austinbarton7713 indeed. G’Lattro knew this, funny the promarchs themselves couldn’t even see it. Seems like most of the primarchs’ main blind spot is themselves.
Never understood the Russ is the underdog of his brothers bit.
He killed at least one of the 2nd or 11th.
He killed Magnus. Took a God's intervention to spirit his shattered soul away.
He chose of prove a point to Angron that winning a fight isn't winning a war. Something emps should have taught him after he was "collected".
He beat hyper coked chaos Horus. Only lost to his own hope for his longest known brother.
He beat the strongest mage, fighter and leader of all his brothers but everyone's all "Oh but Russ is mid and needs to know his place."
Also, the Truth of the spear is more likely why he left than that he was actually dying in the immediate future.
I agree with everything except the last line about the spear.
Russ hate is deranged. One comment after a recap of Russ letting The Khan go after he appeared nearly dead on the Wolf Kings bridge was 'Khan could have killed Russ unarmed while in that state in seconds.'
If it was Sanguinius who had Russ job watch the 'greatest duellist' be downgraded instantly to 'Lorgar would wreck Angel-boy'. It's just people being bitter.
@@InquisitorRomanov Fair. I just don't see a primarch, no matter how wounded, that's capable of moving knowing those wounds will be his death.
Except Russ literally said the words "I'm dying," to his sons, I would feel the same way. He probably found the Tree of Life, as he did show up in the warp and hook up with Karamazov and his crew in TTS.
@@InquisitorRomanov I mean, as well say he's dying cause the lion stabbed him through the fucking heart when he was barely recovered, like a true older brother.
I just don't think the two things are directly related. And that it's more likely the spear showed him his end. Or the assault from Horus channeling the four gods fucked up something... wolf related. Dear lord, I hope he comes back as Odin and not Fenrir.
Is it possible instead of warp daemons in the primarchs the emperor used pure warp energy? Thats why corvus can change form however he wants inside the warp thats why the chaos gods said he stole from them he actually stole pure power from them like stealing part of their domain and making it his own
I also believe it’s pure warp energy.
@GodOfWar109 he kinda what i what i was saying towards the end of it but the only one that I can't figure out is sanguinius because of the 2 different Angels in the warp
I'd say that is very possible. Sanguinius is our clue that it was actual warp entities...but Horus was quoted as saying "you stole power from the gods..." which could be exactly what you are saying. I'd love it if they cleared this one up, and gave us more of a definitive answer.
@InquisitorRomanov I feel like GW did both actually entities and pure warp like sanguinius got 2 entities and someone like corvus got pure warp energy
@hunterrogers4116 what reference in books do you mean by two different angels?
I'm kinda stupid, how does "none of my sons are beyond redemption" equate to his sons being warp entities??
@@sarbnitrof4663 he created them using the warp, cramming various mid-tier souls/entities into physical bodies of flesh he engineered. Not necessarily chaos though, as the warp is literally infinite and chaos is but a small part. But Big E was said to have made a deal with the chaos gods to gain access to the empyrean spirits he used, but betrayed them and didn’t deliver on his end…but I believe he did deliver and the deal was for eternal war.
But that’s why Horus starts out the beginning of the Horus Heresy trailer saying, “you stole power from the gods…”
The power he stole was used to create the 20 demigod sons. And every time it is revealed to a primarch what their true nature is it doesn’t go too well. Russ probably took it best. But yeah, they were considered tools, not sons, despite the Emperor allowing them to call home that.
So Big E feels that what happened to the primarchs was his own failure as much as theirs. And he’s leaving the door open for them to return to loyalists. He tells Mortarion as much. Curze too, sort of.
With corvus i agree that its too far gone for him to just come back as a primarch likely itll be far in the future but if he ever got cornered i feel having the lion save him would be how he comes back or a big enough chaos defence start up that the imperium takes notice of but he could return especially if he just stays in his normal form for "appearances sake" but it would be a looong time before that like the khan is probably gonna fight vashtorr before we see that
6:46 correct me if I’m wrong but it doesnt seem like he killed the family of Annie in Part 2. If you go to Part 3 in the Bar’savor chapter, he is speaking to Annie on the holodeck. He specifically says he “detests waste” and offered the family positions as serfs of the legion. Even joking with her that she should get used to using honorifics while addressing the battle brothers.
This characterization of Alpharius and the fact he is not beholden to his name only the results is why he is my favorite primarch.
I saw this as a Tyler Durden moment. I was already convinced Alpharius was suffering from DID, so that made sense to me. Leaving them alive, seemed like a total fake out...but also just what his mind was telling itself. In my theory, Alpharius is never bothered by anything he does. This is simply the result. Or, you could just take it all at face value. But I find that with AL, nothing is ever face value.
@@InquisitorRomanov thats true. If going with your theory he could just be speaking to a figment of annie at the holodeck since there was no one else interacting with them.
That's what I assumed...but the evidence probably points more toward a straightforward explanation. However, with AL you can never trust the evidence, lol!
I like to think hes like lucius, except whenever hes killed the next best warrior of the alpha legion turns into him 😂😂
That is a very popular theory actually and the more I see people say that the more it looks feasible.
Plus let me posit this…
The nature of the hydra in mythology was, sure it had multiple heads, but if you cut one off two more grew back in its place.
@@InquisitorRomanov maybe his geneseed has a recall code for his soul. That way them all claiming the name of Alpharius is kinda true in a sense while the strongest amongst them is actually the true one
Considering that Alpharius was considered to be smallest of Primarch - well, maybe, just maybe..... so-called Alpha Legion is pure and simply, clones of Primarch, weakend without warp component and _amputated, simplistic souls_.
But Alpharius didn't kill the family. He took them with him. It was revealed in another chapter
That’s, in my mind when I made this video, an example of dissociative identity disorder. A Tyler Durden moment.
My mind had changed a lot since I made this video.
I do love the theory and found a lot of folks share that POV, but I think it’s deeper now, after exploring it the Trefoil.
I need to reread it though…or relisten to the audiobook. Hopefully I’m wrong as you say…I liked that family.
The alpharius stuff is really cool, but after watching your vid on the lost primarchs name, i remember you said yhere was still 21 chairs at some table for the primarchs. Other than that, very very cool stuff
One was for the Emperor. That part got cut from the audio...completely by accident on the Lost Primarchs video. I'm glad you brought it up, so I can clear it up...but yeah, I edited that until 3AM and made a couple mistakes. I also stated the Soul Drinkers were Ultramarines successors but they're Imperial Fists...
But yeah, so it was supposed to be 20 for the Primarchs and one for Big E. But I find it funny that none of the Primarchs are aware at all of Omegon...seems suspicious.
However, after making that Alpharius video (the first video I did on the channel) so many people's comments have me second guessing even that. I'm gonna have to rethink pretty much everything again, three times over now...Hydra Dominatus!
But honestly, thanks for bring that up about the 21 chairs because that has been bothering me since that video dropped...but you're the first to bring it up.
Sorry for the oh so long response btw.
Disagree about Alpharius. He is actually 2 bodies. When Alpharius was killed by Dorn, Omegon psychically felt the loss of his twin and assumed Alpharius’ name when Horus called for him.
Funny how old that lore is now...and how many other books have come out since, yet people still clutch those pearls tight.
Wait the theory that Omegon is not real and all in Alpharius' head... is that cannon?
@@JohnnyFiction it is how I interpret the events of Alpharius: Head of the Hydra. New lore tends to contradict old lore nowadays…
But you have to look at Head of the Hydra through a Tyler Durden lens.
Is anything truly canon when it comes to AL?
I saw a video how Guilliman might actually be Alpharius in disguise.
Why not take it a step further? Alpharius defeated Guilliman, brainwashed him into believing he's Alpharius, then sicced him on Dorn. Some real Victor Reznov shit
I love it. And I saw that video too, about Alpharius and Guilliman. It was pretty good, and really made me think.
I mean, what is a hydra? One Body with multiple Heads (and minds)
Beyond what is a hydra, let's ask what is the nature of the hydra? If you cut off one of it's heads, two more grow back in its place...
@@InquisitorRomanov So maybe Alpharius mind goes over to 2 other Marines of his Legion every time he dies. That's why half his Legion is Alpharius :D
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where in the lore does the Emperor make a deal with the chaos Gods? i wish to read it.
It is referred to heavily throughout both the Horus Heresy books, and 40K books.
Horus literally says it in the animated trailer they released for the Horus Heresy tabletop game when it came out.
Yeah, Big E made a backdoor deal with the chaos gods, who gave him access to warp entities/demigods to stuff into flesh bodies (the primarchs) but the Emperor didn’t deliver on his part of the deal which is why chaos scattered the primarchs. Its all through the books.
@@InquisitorRomanov I've read numerous books and haven't seen that. Seems to me its most likely now retconed lore. Wish I could find Malcador or the Emperor saying it. Well guess I won't have a new book to read yet.
Leman Russ is the Primarch I'll always hate, and I'll always hate his legion.
I used to feel that way too
@@InquisitorRomanov I was never a fan, but after listening to the true atrocities they committed at the Burning of Prospero, it truly made me hate them. TRAITOROUS HORRIFICUS. EXCOMMUNICATE TRAITOROUS.
Be quiet heretics
Fair enough
Dark angels guy?
Rus should return, but not as a Thor figure, but as an Odin one, and in a way, similar to what Magnus should have been.
Comparing Russ to Magnus....some would call that heresy.
@@InquisitorRomanov and in some ways it would be poetic, the returning Primarchs are coming back having learned or changed in ways that help them overcome their shortfalls, and this would be one for Rus.
I see what you're saying.
So if Omegon is still alive then Alpharius is alive so who did Dorn kill? A primaris alpha marine? Cause they are big and Alpharius/Omegon are the smallest of the Primarchs.
Alpharius didnt kill the family however.
@@aestrella87x When I read it the moment he sees them on the bridge…seemed like a Tyler Durden moment to me.
Corvus gets two models. One his material world and the other the warp form.
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the Alpharius one is interesting, how the fk would Alpharius (if he was one half and had half primarch power) be able to drive Dorn the chad to his knees ? an half primarch when this dude doesn't care about fighting demon primarchs ?
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Who is the best primark : i am alpherious
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Nah alpharius is deff dead, primarchs can sense each other's presence. Alpharius is 100% dead
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Disagree on DiD totally agree on whatever lore you speak on. Bc I know almost nothing about it. I just enjoy listening to all the different lore. But as far as DiD goes, there’s never been any evidence that a psychological disorder such as that exists. You have the majority of psychologists and therapists and psychiatrists agreeing that it in fact does not exist, some saying that it could but there’s no way to confirm it. And a few saying it definitely exists. So, I tend to stick with the predominant and scientific consensus view of-it doesn’t exist.
Interesting.
I made that Alpharius video feeling that my theory was right. There was some pushback to it, so I reread Head of the Hydra. And now I’m looking at my own theory as sus.
But yeah, that was my very first video. Now I’m finding this community appreciates straight up lore, so I tend to keep my conspiracy theories out of my videos for the most part now.
But seriously glad you watched, and you enjoyed the lore. Thanks for the knowledge on DID too. But yeah, I’ve come to the belief I may have been wrong about Alpharius actually being Tyler Durden.
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How is omegon still alive then?
In this theory, he was never alive, only a figment of Alpharius's imagination. Think Tyler Durden from Fight Club.
I prefer that some or all of the lost legions leave the Galaxy. The large and small magellanic clouds two dwarf galaxies arent that far away. The Large megellanic cloud is 163,000 light years away. It contains approximately 30 billion stars. The edge of which could have contained a FTL capable civilization. That unfortunately got run into by a fleeing portion of the 11th or 2nd. Warp fun narrative magic & those marines/legions live on for a time. Then for "not my job" reason to write. They decide to come back. Maybe there was never really a consensus on leaving. Who knows but while on thier way back & due to an unknown pathogen. The Marines begin to mutant and fast. Before they even leave the LMC's outer regions they have drastically changed. They have become hive like & animalistic. Fully dependent upon the consumption of bio mass or convinced of it. Everything about them becomes lost & twisted. They begin clearing the small galaxy of life. Then before all the life of the LMC is devoured. A bright flash of warp & materium light cat hes thwir attention. Unable to ignore this light, this signal like a moth to flame. The proto Tyranids head towards home. Hell you could even tap this wellspring. For all sorts of stuff. Maybe an Old One less aligned with the majority of its species foed here as well. Maybe it even constructed a means by which travel here is possible. You could literally go ape. In fact we haven't scanned the sky thoroughly enough to rule out the existence of other dwarf galaxies. There could even be one. Thats the correct distance for the 10,000 years to make perfect sense. If such a DG doesn't exist. Just nake it up. If i suddenly found myself in the GW-Space Marine Verse. My #1 objective. Would be to get as far away from the Imperium as possible. Just like had i ever woke up in the World of Darkness. I would have headed for Alaska as fast as Vampiricly possible. In any event, there is nearly an endless possibility for this narrative.
Hating the J.J. Abrams approach to writing with a passion, I have to say: I don't like Alpharius and/or Omegon and their legion.
The memes are great though.
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Gotta love how many characters just get soo powerful and decide to just go hunting solo in the warp or webways 😂 you got liek 5 primarks doing it and Draigo of the grey knights and several other former chapter masters. Cant help but feel the real reason chaos tries to get out soo mucn 😂they can die for real in there. All the Primarks are Perpetuals soo they'll all come back Fulgrim is confirmed and the Emp is too seems silly he wouldn't make them all. Horus is the only dead dead one as the Emps sword trashes souls
Indeed
Fight Club'd
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A reference to juggalo in a 40k video.. wierd
It was to juxtapose people with their noses turned up about others with people that others don't take seriously in general. Thus graduate students (typically snarky and douchey) looking down on a juggalo (typically the butt end of society's jokes and the people taken LEAST seriously by society in general). It was allegorical...why is that lost on you?
@@InquisitorRomanov it was actually because I never expected to hear jugglo getting referenced in a 40k video mate. No need to be offended , I was fairly impressed
I wasn't offended, just having a very hard time explaining my train of thought. I was kind of a douche though...sorry about that. I never expected to get so many views or comments...and some have been so vitriolic that it is hard to wash the taste out of my mouth from one comment to another. So today I decided to engage with one at a time, at most. Because it sucks carrying negativity into a conversation where none existed. You wouldn't believe the things people have said since this video launched...that's why the comments are held for revue now. Again, looking back over that I was kind of an ass, so sorry.
I beg to disagree about Alpharius is there are too many references of both brothers at the s ame time from third party sources!
Of course there are. But, have you read Head of the Hydra or Harrowmaster? Books that came out recently, and in true Alpha Legion fashion completely contradict old lore.
Well. I stand neutral on the subject pending reading both books. Thanks for the. Info.
Konrad did nothing wrong
@@ourcommonancestry6025 indeed
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@@InquisitorRomanovI'm sorry I use these timestamps as points I fall asleep so I can go back
No problem at all. That's a really good idea, actually. I might just have to adopt doing this myself.
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@@Ollyatlas Welcome to the Inquisition.
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Here's the thing, the warp wasn't native to the chaos gods, it existed way before them, chaos only became a thing after the war in heavens, so in a way, the warp energy are not bad or chaos energy by nature, they are just a form of energy, and anyone with a powerful enough soul and presence can control that energy, so the emperor didn't make any pact with chaos to finish his primarch project, he simply had a big enough presence in the warp and he could take warp energy and use it, this is why beings like Celestine and Corvax exist, they seem too similar to chaos demon or entities because they use the same energy that the chaos uses, that is the warp energy nothing more, it's like a Toyota and Honda both uses petrol to operate, but just because something uses petrol doesn't make it a Toyota or Honda, someone using warp energy doesn't make them chaos, as the warp wasn't chaos's to begin with, it was a neutral thing, anyone powerful enough can borrow from it
Except it literally states that he did. Read the first 3 HH books. And the Horus Heresy trailer literally opens with the line about Big E stealing power from the gods.
Nice try, but not quite accurate.
@@InquisitorRomanov stealing in what sense? making pact with them? Chaos thinks everything is rightfully theirs specially the warp, so Big E taking power form the warp can be interpretated as stealing form the dark gods, also if he made a pact with chaos how can he steal the power then? it's either he just took alot of energy from the warp that weakened the chaos gods so they got mad over it or he just made a pact with chaos(which is your head canon) it was never stated that Big E made any sort of pact with chaos, he went through the gate of Molech but we don't know what happened there, or maybe you are right, we never know, but anyone can use warp energy and manipulate it, there are alot of pocket dimensions there, or power characters occupying their own realm within, so it's hard to say
It is literally a quote from Horus. Those aren't my words, they're his.
I thought I was the only one who dislikes russ
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Sorry, but that's Lion El'Johnson.
@@InquisitorRomanovstrange way to spell "Alpharius". But I'll let it slide
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It's my belief that the emperor knew exactly what he was doing and doing so purposefully when he "half assed" his actions with Corvus. In fact I think he purposefully set Horus on his path to chaos when leaving the great crusade in much the same way he set Lorgar on his own path to Chaos with the destruction of Monarchia. Malcador says as much in a conversation with Valdor in the last Horus heresy book I think it was.
Yeah, it seems that Big E and Malcador were just playing chess with the galaxy, and pitting the Primarchs against one another was the plan the whole time...which is absolutely pathetic, and I am going heretic now....I'm out!
A returned Corax would be better as a loyalist Angron really: he leads nothing, he commands nothing, his sons may follow but he does not direct them. He is a force of nature more than a Primarch. A Warp-fueled war engine and line breaker