The Biggest Secret In Warhammer 40K Lore
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- Three Legions of the Adeptus Astartes were created in utter secrecy, the Emperor alone privy to the details. The Trefoil, long a mystery in the lore, with much speculation as to the truth behind the secret project.
But I believe I have figured it out, and it is because of some current events in Warhammer 40K. Even after 20 years this deep lore is still playing out, and with the King in Yellow story line that is currently having such a strong influence on the setting, Games Workshop's long game is finally coming to a head. And the impact on the lore is going to be massive...actually, it already is.
The Trefoil Legions were created from the gene-seed of the Primarchs Alpharius, Leman Russ, and Vulkan. So in this video we take a deep dive look at these Primarchs and examine what it is that they have in common. And what it is that the Emperor imbued into these three seemingly very different Primarchs.
This one is a little bit of a hot take, but it is an idea that has been cooking in the back of my mind for many years. In fact, for well over a decade. If you remember the Horus Heresy black books from the early 2000's then you'll be familiar with the source material for this video. And the influence that 20 year old Horus Heresy lore is having on current Warhammer 40K lore cannot be overstated.
With the inevitable return of Leman Russ and Alpharius to the tabletop and the lore it may just be that Vulkan is not far behind them. The Emperor's biggest secret during the Horus Heresy 20 years ago may just be the foundation of the most massive lore shakeup of 2025. And if Games Workshop was telling the truth during their livestream last summer, we might see everything from the return of all the Primarchs to the resurrection of the Emperor of Mankind himself.
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To play Alpharius for a moment and add some conspiracy fuel to the fire - I worked for Games Workshop Canada as part of the team that ran Games Day Toronto during the early years of the Horus Heresy novels, and had a bunch of behind the scenes conversations with Dan, Graham, Laurie, Alan Bligh, the folks that were building the core narrative. As part of that, I learned a lot of "secrets" - Loken surviving Istvaan, Vulkan being a perpetual, Magnus being connected to the Grey Knights, the Dragon being on Mars - stuff that's now common knowledge, but at the time wouldn't be revealed for years.
Naturally as a 40k fan, and an Alpha Legion fan at my core, I pushed a bit to see what I could learn, like are the Alpha Legion loyal or traitor at heart, what's their end game, did Guilliman actually kill Alpharius, and was told very firmly that they can't tell me that, which was notable because they were very free with a lot of the other "secrets". So I asked them if those questions actually HAD answers or if it was purposely left unknown even to the authors, and I was told that there was ... effectively a black book of secret truths and core mechanics of the universe that Dan and Laurie held and only a few core Horus Heresy authors had access to at the time. It was simultaneously a list of topics that had to be kept consistent even in a series with purposely unreliable narrators, but also a list of things that were NOT to be directly discussed - the example I got was "what the Golden Throne is, where it came from, how it works".
Now, I can't begin to tell you what else was in that document specifically, but I do know it existed, and I did get the STRONG sense that the Alpha Legion were a solid part of it. Now that the Horus Heresy series is complete, and knowing the things that were revealed through End and the Death as well as the Bequin novels, I fully believe that the lock has been taken off.
When I learned these things, 40k was still a static universe, no Primarchs had come back, the Horus Heresy series was in its infancy - Descent of Angels had just come out to relatively poor reviews and they really had no idea how massive the series would become. But the fact that a HINT of this was touched on with Pariah in 2012, a book that had its sequel delayed by *9 years* until the middle of the Siege of Terra really makes me believe that they've had plans in motion with this material since the very beginning, probably with the expectation that it would be revealed sooner rather than later, but that the drawing out of the Horus Heresy series plus the reboot of the main timeline has kept it under wraps even longer.
Anyway, do with that info what you will, but just wanted to chime in and say I super loved the video, and as someone who has also been digging at all this deep lore for going on two decades, I'm right there with you.
Now that I have scraped my jaw off the floor...
If you don't mind, I am going to pin this comment so that others will be more likely to see it. I was absolutely blown away by this. It might even need to get read aloud in a future video to help lay the foundation for an argument, or to shore up another.
You have my undying gratitude for divulging this. I cannot express how much I appreciate you chiming in and revealing all of it, which is massive. At least in my mind, so I'm sure others will think so too.
@@InquisitorRomanov I'm glad it was interesting!
It's something I've thought about for years, because at its core it's nothing more than a cryptic "the authors have secrets" without any real facts attached, but it always felt like a corner piece you could use to start filling in a puzzle.
When you start looking deeper at what information came out when, both real world and in universe, at oddities in their novel release schedule and little hanging threads that seem ... conspicuously unresolved, especially everything around the Bequin series, and things like St. Celestine giving an Imperial relic to an Alpha Legionnaire ... there's just too much there to be coincidence in my book.
....also it's kind of nice to actually discuss any of it, having to hold on to a bunch of secrets back then when everyone at my local club were actively discussing what they thought would happen to certain characters was awful. I am not at all a natural secret keeper.
@@maevethefox5912 Neat.
@@maevethefox5912 this comment was objectively better than some entire heresy novels. I’m totally in awe!! Thank you. More pondering…
I almost want to call you out on this because I’ve never found such insight in a random YT comment before today
This is honestly the kind of content we've been missing in the 40K UA-cam space. Excellent video, and a very refreshing topic.
Thank you, I really appreciate that! Been pondering this topic for decades now. Was finally time to speak on it, after recent revelations.
40k theories used to dotheories now its boring
@@InquisitorRomanov Youre welcome! Im glad you brought fresh ideas instead of just repeating memes or wiki bits. I like that stuff too, but theres an abundance.
@cuddlestheadorable1153 that's because he has run out of theories to talk about, he has been making theories for 10 years now.
At this point all we have on youtube are wild speculation like this or videos which just share basic facts.
To quote the emperor to Malcador, what ever made you think the hydra only had 2 heads?
I was unaware he said that. Can you remember where you read that as I'd like to read it too?
@@shaneporter4958 The short story the board is set, just prior to the siege he and Malcador play regicide, Malcador accuses the emperor of both cheating for and against himself; and the Emperor makes that comment; in the same story he mentions as his Ferrus piece is played badly and gets decapitated that he may fix that when he has the time.
@@endymionmikel4022didn’t it get confirmed that he is has been seen leading the Lost and the Damned who pop up and fight for the Imperium then vanish? Just in a weird Warp-Altered form like the Corvus Bird-Man Thing?
@@alexanderklimek9354 as far as I know the only confirmed appearance of Ferris as a fiery dude is in the master of mankind. And those were not the legion of the damned, ADB said as much. They just happened to have charred and still burning armour. But the Legion of the damned have a pretty solid backstory and they're not related to the drop site massacre.
@@marcwittkowski5146 with nonlinearity of time polycausality comes by necessity
It would be wild if alpharius’ primacy power was that when he dies he can resurrect in the body of any of his sons.
Making the whole I am alpharius thing literal.
Or if he literally multiplied any time he dies.
So to kill him permanently you’d have to kill every single marine that has his gene seed.
It might also explain how he can die and then reappear on the other side of the galaxy.
There's a bunch of Alpha legion marines stashed under the imperal palace, what if that's not a secret force, but a stock of hydra heads ;)
@@SovereignThrone Isn't the Alpha Legion still somewhat considered a loyalist legion despite being part of the Horus Heresy? For all we know, they're the "plant" by good old GE to keep tabs on the enemy from within? It wouldn't be a shocker imo, but it's like imagining Guilliman turning to chaos because of his current state (relying on his armour/ yvraine to live) and his unwillingness to "have" to depend on others (he takes his armour off, but it leaves him in pain). Some people turn dark through self mutilation... Blue-boy could end up going down that path, and it will be one of the greatest FU's ever written imo.
What I'm getting at, is what if the war didn't play out the way it's "read"... what if the true ending is much more sinister?
Either way, fkn Salamanders all the way, idgaf, VULCAN LIVES.
*Idk too much about Alpha, but always thought they were Chaos, much like the Night Lords. If I'm wrong about the chaos/ loyalist part, I'm sry.
Alpharius could technically be the only Primarch without a physical body, if we think about it in the way you presented it. He is the legion, they are not his sons, but fragments of him.
The Horcrux Legion.
@@Count_Wankula The Horcrux Heresy for 50 more books?
@@SovereignThrone If they make it interesting, I don't see why not? But, tbh, I have no real hope of GW giving us what we want anyway.
Maybe the trefoil is the emperor trying three different types of perpetual/resurrecting. Vulcan is reborn as himself, Alpharius is reborn through splitting into another and Russ is reborn through reincarnation. I have no proof of this but just thinking of how important Fenrir is to ragnarok and linking this to the wolf time who knows
The salamander is a creature revered for its regenerative properties , now theres some foreshadowing for ya !.
oh thank god, its an actual human speaking. keep it up man, solid video. youre already good at this, i can see your channel getting serious traction
Yeah, I am actually flesh and blood. And thanks so much. Appreciate you watching.
@@InquisitorRomanov Woo! Down with abominable intelligence! Subbed!
@@emceehamma3693
I agree so much. All those AI voices are a terrible stain...
I like the idea of perpetual Leman Russ. He is sent to kill someone, if he should die he pops back into existence and continues the hunt, becoming death itself. You can postpone it but it always gets you.
He is the primarch of dark souls
he did "Die" a couple of times technically in the lore! When he went after Horus with the Spear and wounded him mortally ( Chaos had to infuse Horus so much from that point that he sat on his throne and wasnt involved in the later years of the HH until the final "day" of the siege ) he was mortally wounded by The Talons Of Horus going right tru him and his heart...
And even The Lion slicing his heart in two couldnt kill him and Russ just looked at him with a sorry smile saying "You understand now?"
@@CG-yh6js Which book is the bit with Russ saying "you understand now?" from?
@@TheRealSoldatmesteren Leman is so pathetic he would still fumble even with such OP Power
The wolf, in a lot of mythology, is the death that is stalking you relentlessly. Always behind you, following you until it finally catches you.
"In the end of days, the Last shall be First." Thus the Alpha Legion.
Hydra Dominatus
leman defeated the most powerful sorcerer magnus, i wouldnt be surprised if magnus actually killed him a few times during that battle without anyone noticing it
I think you're on to something. I mean, he did get his heart punched out. That had to hurt, bad.
He also beat Horus (albeit with the Emperors spear)
Perpetuals do not instantaneously revive. It takes a little time.
And the death of a Primarch tends to have a psychic flash when it happens. Which was not seen nor felt during their duel.
Leman Russ may be a Perpetual, but he probably didn't need that quality in his duel with Magnus.
All versions of the battle between Magnus and Russ happen simultaneously on a multiversal level..every version happened and didn't happen at the same time and the same version of everyone than when in to that battle didn't come out...
He punched out one of his hearts why does nobody remember that?
I have a strange feeling that the Alpha Legion is some sort of multi layer double agent that is somehow is in the end Loyal yet somehow most of the entire legion doesn’t actually know.
Exactly
It was said in the death and the end that there are hypnoinducted keywords which help to switch sides
They are traitors, but only to the Imperium as an institution, they would destroy it to save humanity.
@@rowangallagher4579 The Alpha Legion definitely suffered from secrecy, because the legionnaires definitely didn't know the plan that Alpharius and Omegon had
@@stephenkellett7836But if the legionaires knew, then the ruinius powers might know, and secrecy is critical to defeating the four
I think that Alpha legion is full of psykers and they all share a hive mind. The whole legion is a single person and as long as one of them survives, Alpharius lives.
@@infuscolumen interesting 🤔
If you are correct, i have an addition to add to your theory. They are all a form of immortality. Immortality of body, immortality of cognition, and immortality of spirit.
Vulkan is immortal in body, but his mind and spirit degrades as he is reborn.
Alpharius and Omegon are cognitively immortal- whether by way of dividing his consciousness like fragments into his legion or by way of memetics, he has obtained a sort of immortality, perhaps the alpha legions goal is their cognitive immortality, but it has no true body and the spirit of this immortality has gone, it no longer has its roots.
And Russ’s statement leads me to conclude a spiritual immortality, that through his culture, their sagas the Space Wolves are immortal in spirit. And Russ will defy death to return when the time is right. Spiritual immortality both metaphorical and literal. Though the body may die, and with the body the actual mental processes of the Space Wolves (never their strong suit), they will live on in spirit.
@@thisguynamedmatt12 love it
My favorite theory of the alpha legion is one a heard of from a black library writer in an interview. It went like this: the rumor of the 20th primarch being a set of twins was a layer of conspiracy designed to hide the actual truth that they are a set of triplets.
Hydra Dominatus!
I could be wrong but I remember reading the original author incharge of the Alpha Legion heresy black book (the forgeworld book) wanted the same, it makes sense regarding their iconography, but I believe he died so its not certain if this is going to be true. Someone will have to fact check me.
@Justowner this would the funniest plot twist ever
I like that its 3 loyalist legions
Me too. Hydra Dominatus!
@InquisitorRomanov hydra dominatus brother
@@drsatanrx I like how the first and last legions have some degree of shattered alliance. Dark Angels and Fallen/Risen are similar to an extend to Alpha Legion warbands
For The Emperor!
@@rodrigolopezmaya5974 I like that the first legion just stole the alpha legions gimmick with "the fallen"
I believe the trefoils point is a back up to restore the Goldenthrone. Russ is meant to defend it, Alpha legion is meant to find. Xenos tech to restore it. Vulcan is needed for the actual repairs.
I believe the inner workings of the throne is like a massive reactor nothing can shield you from it but if you’re a perpetual you can always return to your work.
My theory is that Alpharius and Omegon are the two missing primarchs, and they just pulled some mind control crap in order to make everyone think there are two missing primarchs instead of the one they accidently killed
Vulcan is most definitely half Ork after the war the beast, we're going to end up seeing him leading a WAAAGH! Of his own.
I've love to see that actually. Especially if he called everyone "my friend," like he does in TTS.
@@InquisitorRomanov (Vulkan assesses the damage done to the Imperial Webway project, puts a measuring tape to the incomprehensible rift in reality in front of him while scratching his head)
(Legion of the Damned Ferrus Manus) "Give it up man, ain't no spit and polish fixing this."
"Shut up, ghost of ferrus."
Half ork Vulkan returns.
"My Lord, it is a good omen you have returned in the hour of greatest need!"
"It is my honour to do so"
"Yes, you may remove some of your green armour now, my Lord"
"Yes... green 'armour'..."
"My lord...?"
@@vontheunknown7982 what if they rebuilt Ghaz with his bits? Maybe that's why he is so big and scary?
I mean can we also talk about how weirdly malleable the salamander gene seed is. Like it mutates based on a planet or mutates bones like with the black dragons.
Ere we go... Green, Grey & Aquamarine?
Oh yeah. This one is something I've wanted to dive deeper into for decades.
@@InquisitorRomanov Decades? How long have you been entrapped by 40K?
Didju sai green, humie?
Since Rogue Trader hit the shelf in 87 my friend. I am indeed an old man, and lifelong Warhammer player.
@InquisitorRomanov congrats on the long time fandom man, you're a legend.
Dive deeper!
Your Omegon doesn't exist theory is possibly my all-time favorite of the setting. If anything, because it explores concepts that 40k normally feels quite comfortable ignoring or treading on
Thanks so much, I really appreciate that!
I do think you are right AND wrong! I think Omegon is a second head of Alpharius but he has something the others dont... he kept a portion of his own will... he knows he's Alpharius but still himself at the same time. And just like Alpharius when he's killed he "grows" two heads too... keeping in check the other half of the legion...
@@InquisitorRomanov So, how much of the "tyler Durden" theory plays with this new one? If it is as this theory goes, then Alpharius only "Hydra'ed" once before the Great Crusade. So, it seems unlikely that a dissociative identity disorder personality isn't necessary. (Though, might still be in play as part of the shared spiritual link between hydra heads. Imagine... Alpharius being *conscious* of every one of his gene-children he "Hydra-ed" - like a giant hive mind, in some way...)
Just some thoughts I've been having for about 20 years. They've evolved over time, especially in light of new lore. But yeah, this is one of my favorite little buried treasures in the lore.
@InquistorRomanov Question if the Red wake is still alive and he fought in the heresy war wouldn’t that make him over 10,000 years old??
@@InquisitorRomanov .
@@tchilldrszz1620 I guess that would but as far as I know Tyberos was not around during the heresy. He is not the original chapter master of charcharadons.
@@InquisitorRomanov deep dive breakdown on him fammo
@@InquisitorRomanov I think the alpha Legion was a contingency to keep the others in check, that's why they don't really go traitor there job is to infiltrate so they they joined traitor to infiltrate and might be posing as a successor as well
Great work! 10/10
I've noticed another theme among the Trefoil, extreme loyalty.
Space Wolves were so loyal to the Emperor they would butcher other Astartes for him.
The Salamanders are so loyal to the idea of humanity that they won't think twice about coming to blows with other Astartes in order to defend innocents.
The Alpha Legion stated they allied with Horus in order to save the Imperium as a whole, fearing it would collapse upon itself in time.
I agree with the Perpetual theory, but I'll go a step further and say he conditioned and programmed 3 ultra-loyal legions willing to do whatever it takes to balance the Imperium, even if it means taking on other Astartes. Of course, He would want his perpetual sons to be the most loyal.
Indeed! Good points. I did a video on Alpha Legion being super loyal. And Salamanders and Space Wolves are right there too. Yeah, the perpetual ls are the most loyal legions.
Love this thought. I love my Space Wolves so much. It’s would be rad if Leman returned from the warp with what was necessary to revive the All-Father.
Let's return to this thought after 40K turns 40 years old. I believe that is exactly what they are going to deliver. I might be wrong...but I think every clue points to exactly what you said.
I am Alpharius and I approve this message
Hydra Dominatus!
Finally, somebody doing the Trefoil legions.
So lol
I have always see these legions as the “End goal Legions”
after the crusade.
We know the Emperor was working on the Webway Project.
Once the Crusade was over he would not need most of the legions (look what he did to the Thunder Warriors).
It is, in my opinion, that when it was all over he would only need these legions and Primarchs to safeguard the Imperium.
Russ - Your go to killer and legion fighting stuff. (Coz ya know, they do it best)
Salamanders - Vulkan to act as Regent (who else than a perpetual?) and as the defacto guardian. Plus, wasn’t Vulkan basically given the kill switch to the Throne or something?
Alpharius - I see as a seeker, relic hunting, guarding the Imperium from itself, another version of the Inquisition.
And his legion was just dope at getting stuff done.
Also….
I am the only one that has noticed that three legions are essentially Terran mythic beasts personified?
The Wolf
The Dragon
The Hydra
In human history these are auspicious creatures with deep symbolism.
The Emperor has made the three Primarchs the most Human in many ways….fight me.
*big shoutout to The Great Khan who I often feel like could well belong in this group sometimes.
He’s also very special
*okay the wolf isn’t “Mythic” but ya know what I mean
Spot on. Great observation about the mythic beasts too btw. Good catch.
@@imperialtroop8885 Interesting theory, but honestly I can't see an imperium without the ultimate imperium administrators, aka Ultramarines and Guilliman.
@ I see what you mean.
As far as I’m aware,please let me know otherwise, surely not all the imperium could be transferred to the Webway?
@ The Immediate Imperium, I.E the Sol system would take priority.
Bro! I’ve never heard such a theory but it makes sooo much sense and is so intriguing! Subbed, Baby! Good stuff!
Welcome to the channel! And you have my gratitude for the super-thanks! You're awesome, and that made my day to see this. Glad to have you aboard.
Russ is my favorite primarch so I quite like the idea of him being a perpetual of some kind and it does make sense with Alpharius as well
I definitely love this theory as it is close to what I was also thinking of Alpharius and Omegon as well as Russ and Vulcan and the whole Trefoil idea. My one criticism of the video is the part about Vulkan going crazy due to all of his deaths and rebirths, which I don't believe was the cause of his crazyness. It was the fact that Konrad Curze tortured him with impossible choices and killed him reguardless that actually broke his mind, which was Curzes objective. Vulkan had to walk for days through a webway section corrupted with warp fire to get to Terra during the Siege. During that walk he would be burned away try of dust only to be remade and go through it all again. But he was finally able to make it to Terra and his mind was still whole. This leads me to believe, along with a few other things, that the act of dying isn't the stressor on Vulkans mind but Curzes degeneracy and torture. Great video and great theory keep it up.
I do believe you are right about this. Thanks for watching!
My old Alpha legion theory was that they were like janus the Roman god janus. And as long as 1 half of the primach lived the other half would be reborn / soul takes over a suitable marine.
As we've seen drinking their blood is enough to Imbue their abilities physically and otherwise. I imagine the soul would also work the same and just consume what was there before
With vulkan id guess he's currently insane due to the waaagh energy he fell into and part of bringing him back will be curing that
And russ I imagine being in more of a warp form due to not being able to withstand being in the warp wounded
But the tree of life will restore him to his more "noble" aspect before he returns
Vulkan is crocheting doilies in a cottage by the sea and waiting for his sons to finish the scavenger hunt.
Makes a mean tea and crumpets after so many years of well earned vacation
Glad to see someone else noticed this too! The Horus heresy black books do a great job building up mystery. Good stuff
Nice! Yeah, they’re awesome books for sure.
I’m a big Alpha Legion fan, and loved the introduction of the idea that their legionnaires could be turned into copies of the primarch(s). The concept of Alpharius as a perpetual who can resurrect through his sons is very appealing.
Glad to hear you like this notion. I believe there is a lot in the lore to support this, but they're playing a bit coy with it as they build up the hype going into Pandemonium...which I'm convinced will be the biggest thing in the lore since the Horus Heresy.
@ I’m really looking forward to Pandemonium. I hope you’re right about its place in the lore. That would certainly make it worth the wait.
The AL sons are all similar in stature and appearance so it allows for A & O to interchange with them
I also applaud your outlook at the trefoil as being “Worked upon and being perfected”
The Emperor was very much a scientist and his Primarchs were exactly that, The Primarch Project.
It would only make sense that Alpharius would be in essence “The final product”
If the Lion is the first and “Proto Primarch”, Alpharius is, by all definitions his opposite and better.
(Incoming barrage from hardcore Dark Angels fans expected very soon) 😂
yes asmodai. this one.
I'm on board with the Alpharius dies and comes back as two - it's been my headcanon for a while now. But I go a slightly different route - each new Alpha legion Primarch is noticeably weaker, so I wouldn't have an entire legion of Primarch level soldiers.
As for Emps trying to pass Perpetualhood to ASTARTES? I must have misunderstood. That sounds absolutely insane, and something the Emperor would have done all he could to avoid after the Thunder Warriors. If the Salamanders were kept secret to remove that ability from the geneseed, and if they were ordered into the massacre specifically to remove (or reveal...) the "suspect" gene seed, that would make more sense to me.
But an immortal legion of soldiers... that's death to the galaxy.
I want to make a separate video about this. I think it deserves one. Honestly this was one of my first videos, and I would really like to just redo it, as there is so much I want to add, take out, or change. Will probably do that soon. But I think you're right on the money saying Abnett was putting Sanguinius returning to bed.
Binged a lot of your videos today, great work
Welcome aboard!
This is a solid working theory. I hope this comes to fruition, as well as bringing back Malebron.
magnus is stronger than vulkan in the short run, but in the long run vulkan is stronger, this happens in the siege, spoiler ahead:
do not keep reading in case you don't wanna be spoiled...
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the bit where magnus kept killing vulkan in the webway and vulkan kept coming back until magnus got tired and vulkan started to hammer him to shiet and magnus ended up losing the fight.
Love this, as a newcomer this kinds of content really helps fill in gaps. Also I’m a big alpharius fan
Of course The Emperor would put a secret clandestine project inside his secret clandestine project.
If Alpharius is splitting amongst his leagion every time he dies, this means - given enight time - that he will be legion by himself, reselbling a hivemind.
The one thing these three have in common to me, is that they were made to able to turn their weapons inward towards the imperium, or spy on them, when needed. Russ and the wolves are the executioners, and speculated to have personally put down one or two of the no name legions and their primarch, on top of being sent after the World Eaters and Thousand Sons. The Alpha Legion spied on everyone. And while its hard to see what's up with the Salamanders, Vulkan did create weapons of mass destruction for the sole purpose of annihilating Terra, the holy capital.
My theory was that; given the small size of wach of these legions and their specialisations, in an emergency these were intended to work together as a legion killer. The small size of them preventing anyone of them turning and becoming a disproportionate threat compared to another legion.
Well, supposedly the AL were a lot larger than they let on, and had more marines than any other legion. But that might just be a myth.
Idk if i agree with all of this take, but i can see Alpharius with being split. Like you stated, he was killed possibly twice. So maybe his consciousness transfers to Omegon, and he becomes Alpharius. With then another marine becoming Omegon. Like Trayzn when he gets killed. Isnt the Pale spear clearly necron tech?? Oooohhhhhh MORE CONSPIRACIES!!!
@@Meatsquadron I personally love the theory that Alpharius and Omegon are just split personalities of the same character. And combine that with their theory that *they really are* all Alpharius, that would make a hilariously insane legion of wtf'ery.
An alpha marine recovered the pale spear, saying it was forged in a time before the necron. It may be from the old ones
Alpharius is alive, which brother. I believe it was Omegan that was killed by Dorn simply because if Alpharius was the first found he would know better to try not to turn Dorn. Guilliman definitely didn't kill Alpharius.. come on it's G man, can't fight worth a damn but can beat anyone on Excel.
I don't believe he's a perpetual. It is an interesting idea but a reach, some deaths though sad, are required.
@@Meatsquadron When Gramaticus stabbed Vulkan was there a flash of light? That’d be the best indication of a true death for him, Vulkan didn’t die like that when stabbed to death by the Iron Warriors I’d be brought up, even Omegon felt his brothers death and noted he’s alone now.
@@IstvanDropSite Omegon was near Horus and it was Alpharius fighting Dorn, especially since Dorn knows him apart from Omegon, their feud is honestly gave him away in a sense. Omegon stayed as Alpharius while Alpharius was well Alpharius………
Alpharius sense the death of Alpharius so Alpharius stayed as Alpharius as a final secret……
Super fun channel, thankyou for not being a glorified text to speech creator. Concise and intresting videos summerizing new lore and connecting it with old leads/theories is phenomenal
Glad you like it! And you’re welcome.
Love 40k lore vids loved this one. Hope to see more and will catch up !! Thanks
Thanks for watching!
The moment I red about the trefoil chapters I immediately thought of the alchemical tria prima.
According to alchemy everything is a combination of three elements sulfur (salamanders), mercury (alpha legion), salt (space wolves). So these three could be the alchemical template for the emperors physical form OR that they are the template building blocks from which every chapter/prumarch was created.
I think you must also read into Norse mythology with this. Niddhog is Vulcan, fenris is leman Russ, is alpharius jormungandr? To place Loki in the place of the emperor, and as responsible for ragnarok; in the writing nidhogg breaks free setting the world ablaze, fenris devours the sun and the other gods, and jormun drips poison eternally onto Loki for his actions in creating ragnarok. If we place big e in the story of ragnarok, lemans role is to kill all gods including those of chaos, Vulcan may destroy the empire in some fashion, and alpha legion would torture big E or the dark king for eternity.
That’s so very, very grimdark.
@ not that I suspect games workshop evolved in this direction and will follow through. But I also think this is where the writers from 20+ years ago were going. The concept of the dark king and star child also well lay out the humanity that emperor had to remove from himself returning to the world and bringing about the utopia described after ragnarok.
To quote Odin: “We will give our lives and let our world be destroyed, but we will battle so that these evil powers will not live after us.”
It’s only when all primarchs, the chaos gods, the elder gods, the old ones, and the necrons all reveal themselves that you can have a 40K end times and universal rebirth where a small number of remaining primarchs (the perpetuals) and the star child rebuild humanity without warp gods and only the kind and human parts of big E remaining. It would also explain why big E at present is so fragmented and “evil”.
It makes sense narratively and closes a bunch of really old loose ends and ties together Norse mythology ragnarok and Christianity’s elements of self sacrifice and rebirth which obviously heavily influence the lore.
You could and in my opinion should write a doctorate thesis on this. This is awesome.
@@Nolsie Wait, Nidhogg doesn’t set the world on fire in the myths I’ve read. That’s Surtr.
Though Surtr, the primordial fire giant, possibly fits Vulcan better.
Alpha, there are no twins but in Alpharius's head. Dangerous. And they're not traitors by a long shot.
You mentioned Slavic influences for the SW. The Slavs have our own Thor VS Jormungandr, but it happens every year. Perun (the thunder god, patron of the Rus') and Veles (the serpent god of secrets and trickery amongst other things) fight every year with one of them - almost always Veles - dying and then being reformed throughout the year until they fight again the next year. Generally speaking, it's seen as a pretty bad sign if Veles wins, even if he's not an evil god per se, it just signifies that chaotic times are coming. But they keep fighting because they don't get to decide when the world ends. Only Svarog, the All-Father who dreams the world into being and who forged his children from the sparks inside his forge, does that, by waking up. When the Emper- sorry, Svarog, gets up, all the gods shall answer for their deeds, as will all men. But until then they fight and die, again and again and again.
I doubt some British blokes in the 70s had any idea about any of this, and we haven't really had a SW vs AL showdown or rivalry to indicate otherwise. But it does play well with the perpetuals theory. I think the Trefoil was basically the Emperor's reaction to having seen some glimmer of how he's gonna end up. It was a way for him to keep sure everyone keeps fighting for long enough until he gets back up to sort things out. First he tried with the Wolves, but he failed - their perpetuality is weak and basically non existent. With Vulkan he succeeded, but he realized he needed more. Not a single guy who was a perpetual, but an entire legion of them - if in a figurative sense. Giving all of them literal perpetuality would've been both undesirable and literally impossible, but by making them The Hydra, always plotting, always doublecrossing everyone else and their own selves, he p much gave them a power far beyond Vulkan's. If every Salamander was to die, Vulkan would just be a lonely dude with too much time and trauma. But Alpharius and Omegon are just names. Silhouettes that can be seen on any face when the light of the Golden Throne - or the Eye of Terror - hits it at just the right angle. They aren't perpetuals, they are perpetual. Eternal. The Emperor's guarantee that no one will ever end things but him. It's irrelevant whether they're loyal, traitor, or both. It's why they're the 20th legion. They're when he achieved perfection, his magnum opus.
Veles is the god of secrets. All secrets, including his father's. Who is to say he isn't constantly letting his brother win? Who is to say that this greatest secret of all is not hidden from him as well? Guess we have to wait for Svarog to wake up and tell us.
Thanks so much for that comment. I know very little about the Slavic pantheon, and have only recently been dipping my toes into it. It is, to me, a bit overwhelming in that there is a lot there to get into...kinda like Warhammer. But my interest is there. Veles sure does sound a lot like Alpharius, and Svarog...that's probably the actual true name of the Emperor that the King in Yellow is looking for. Because he's spot on. I figured they took 98% of Warhammer from Michael Moorcock and just changed some names around, like Arioch to Tzeentch. But after reading this I think the writers might just have been looking at the Slavic gods as well.
@@InquisitorRomanov Moorcock worte some books wich staged in Poland, plus one of he's favorite writer was Bulgakov. So he would also familiar with slavic gods and folklore. BUT this motives are common in many other culture too. F.e: The turk - mongol steppe ppl have Ürgen (Lord of the Light and Upper World) and Erlik (Lord of Chaos and death) They fight agains each other, till the end of the world. So this maybe comes from slavic, but it can comes for many other sources too.
Just found your channel, great content dude. Looking forward to more, Cheers.
Welcome aboard! Thanks 😀
I always liked the weird connections the Alpha Legion seems to have with the Dark Angels. Aside from the obvious thematic elements of being the first and last numerically, I was always intrigued when the Cabal implied the fate of the HH relies the first and last Primarchs (I can’t remember if this was “found” order or numerically). Also the Fallen Angels seem to hang around with the Alpha Legion a weird amount (I remember that being a thing mentioned as far back as the old Index Astartes book over 2 decades ago, along with some White Dwarf articles and the Talon of Horus book) perhaps if Alpharius and Omegon “split” from another entity as part of their perpetually, maybe it was The Lion they split from, it would work with both claiming to be the “Alpha”/First Primarch and the Lion has a connection with mythical beasts (being linked to the Nemean Lion who is from the same trials of Hercules as the Hydra), and the Alpha Legion symbol has 3 heads, not just 2. This is just a theory and I am reaching a bit, the most obvious evidence against this is that the Al-megon twins look identical to each other and nothing like the Lion, and their legion tactics and organisation are wildly different, but it’s fun theorycrafting and seeing these strange synchronicities.
I love this. Those are my two main armies (imperial at least) that I've collected since 3rd edition. But something occurred to me when reading this. You said the Lion looks nothing like the twins Alpharius Omegon...but what if they look just like him but have no beards and shaved their heads. I mean, a beard and a shaved head can really change someone's look. Just a thought.
I share your point of view ! I already had the impression of something like that, your video has just confirmed this idea for me.
Nice. Great minds think alike, right?
I’ve always thought there was more meaning (or hoping it would be expounded on) to a lot of subtle things about the alpha legion.
The idea of the two hydra heads of alpharius and omegon, but there being distinctly *3* separable parts of the pale spear, the relic weapon used by both twins AND others.
The idea that most their men are clones and/or the soldiers in status on Terra are surrogate bodies for the primarchs to reborn. Secrets die with their holders deaths, an immortal secret holder with a dopplegander that can exist separately to carry on in the mains absence, seems like an Emp of man kind of idea.
Indeed
Love this so lore take!
The symbols I see are:
The hydra
The dragon
The lycanthrope
I’d love to see some effects that the space wolves have on beastmen planets or even a fight with beastmen
@@lukenyhammer2213 I love beastmen in 40k so much
I was fully prepared to think you were crazy when it became clear you were going to theorize they were perpetuals. I was fully taken aback when I found myself agreeing with you and your assesments of the lore. Phenomenal video!
Awesome! But I am crazy though…
@@InquisitorRomanov it truly takes a level of crazy to be this committed to the lore of something as huge as 40k and I appreciate it lol
Thanks!
My theory is that Vulkan was made to replace the emperor at some point. His greatest power is his empathy
I always thought what made the Trefoil different from the other legions was while the other legions were externally faced, they were inwardly faced. Salamanders being essentially the national guard considering how ingrained caring for other humans is in then conpared to others legions, the space wolves were to deal with traitors, and the Alpha Legion was the internal intelligence community.
@@jbprescott7743 this is interesting indeed 🤔
Alpharius/Omegon could potentially turn into a Theseus' Boat problem with enough time. If he truly is spreading his consciousness with each death, he'll eventually stretch enough to the point where he might just unravel anyway.
Or to put it in other words, "like butter spread over too much bread", to paraphrase LOTR.
Small misconception about the hydra in Greek myth; it did only regrew its 8 heads, it didn’t double each head that was cut off. Very fun video
Interesting 🤔
There are many versions of the Hydra myth, the oldest depiction bears 6 heads, the oldest writings describe nine heads and then fifty. There are literally a dozen or more renditions of the Hydra just between 600BCE and 1CE
@InquisitorRomanov Euripides did decribe the Hydra as regrowing two heads when one was cut. A more notable aspect to the Hydra is that *one head is immortal* where the other heads are the ones that regrow
@@McHobotheBobo that’s awesome
Yo, never heard about this piece of lore! Great stuff. Something I've noticed with all 3 of these legions; they're all great with humans. The Salamaders are famously protective of humans to the point of insubordination and may even live with their families on Nocturn, Space Wolves went to war with the Inquisition over how they treated civilians and militiary personel and I believe they're very close with the humans on Fenris (I may be wrong on that bit) and the Alpha Legion in the newer books have been seen to work with humans and treat them as equals, with Alpharius going as far as feeling kinship with a little girl due to her being a test tube baby. Generally, Space Marine chapters either don't care about humans, treat them as annoying and slow or just out-right use them as meat shields / treat them as nothing but weapons.
I wonder if the Emperor intended these legions to be kept after purging the other legions once the galaxy was conqurered to intigrate them in human life; whilst also maintaining a strong militiary presence across the galaxy.
That's a great point. Others in the comments seem to believe there is something to them being kept around post Great Crusade, as the Emperor definitely had some sort of plan for them. You're onto a good thing with this one.
Little piece of my brain looking at that hydra mythology and who's in it. Executioner, Hydra... and salamander, often associated with fire, which is (of course) how you stop a hydra from regrowing its heads...
This us the first video of yours ive seen, but it alone has me sunscribed. Id loke yo tell you why.
I dont follow the lore very well. I dont read the books and just ocasuonally watch some videos on here because i find there are so many books and the lore is so deep thay its interesting, but daunting. Because of this i think videos like yours, where a certain section of backstory is delved into with references and virewpoibts which offer some idea of how vast the lore potentially is. Thank you.
Awesome, glad you like it. And thank you!
Excellent video in such a rare subject that most modern fans forget about. You explained it very clearly and theory was pretty sound. 😎
Also @9:00 in terms of power? Vulcan beat Magnius 1 on 1 not once, but twice. Sure it wasn't the complete Magnius but never the less. He got bodied.
Yeah, you're right. I'm giving the title to Vulkan in my mind from now on. I was kind of on the fence...but your points are too solid.
new book Sons of the Hydra, the main character says plainly that he is still loyal to the emperor, he just uses whatever tools that he can find whether they be chaos marines or whatever.
Hydra Dominatus!
I'd LOVE it to be true, the one thing that seems to contradict this theory is that in the audio drama 'The Parting of the Ways' where Russ finally disappears, he has got "old" although who's to say what age each perpetual gets to when they stop ageing? If anyone hasn't listened to it, it's AMAZING! it also covers Bjorn the fellhanded being interred into his sarcophagus after the fight with the nurgle Daemon!
Yeah, I was thinking of Russ's original lore. From 2nd edition codex. He says he's dying and goes off into the webway, promising to come back for the Wolftime. I hate the newer lore, but it is what is canon now...I guess.
Just finished age of darkness and at the end of one of the stories a Alpha legionnaire kills a world eater ship captain Who is about to destroy the raven guard ship that saves Corvus after Isstavan 5.
As a die hard 40k fan since 6 years old I’m now 41 I approve of this channel absolutely mint well done
I really appreciate that. You’re awesome!
VI=Constantine, XVIII=Emperor, XX=Malcador. Trefoil.
I very much see the return of the emperor soon, I think there was some stuff about the star child recently. I think the book described the child as young but with thousands of years full of knowledge, but take that with a grain of salt as I maybe heard it from some odd end video, but most likely something big in the setting is definitely about to happen (took em long enough)
Warhammer 40K is about to turn 40 soon. I say you’re spot on with everything you said.
I think that these three legions were going to be the only ones that wouldn’t be culled at the end of the Great Crusade.
@@mkvenner2 I need to consider this 🤔
1) Nice to see another W40K player from the beginning. Still have my original box of Harlequins from the late 80s that no one would let me use.
2) interesting hypothesis. Gives me a headache, which is a good thing because it means there might be something to it.
@@KaijuBiologist awesome, love it
I think that the trefoil represents loyalty.
The SW loyalty to the emperor.
The SL loyalty to humanity.
The AL loyalty to his dream.
@@falcata91 that’s deep. Very interesting 🤔
What if there is supposed to be a Physical and Warp version of the Emperor and of each Primarch to fully be able to combat the warp entities?
i'm english and we don't say "oh-mee-ga", we pronounce it the same as you do. anyone who pronounces it that way is doing so incorrectly, it has nothing to do with nationality.
i'm not really sure why you think the trefoil thing is "resurfacing in the lore", it's from a book series that's been superceded since 2017 (the horus heresy rulebooks *started* in the early 2000s but only stopped 8 years ago) and it seems that there will be a major chaos-related plotline next - the "year of chaos". fulgrim is back, leaving only the undivided daemon primarchs yet to return, and the pale spear doesn't mean alpharius/omegon returning because it's currently in the possession of solomon akkura. the alpha legion could definitely be coming back, maybe they'll be the next legion after the emperor's children to get a refresh, but yeah i have no idea how all that fits in with the trefoil, if at all. also not sure how it's the "biggest secret in 40k lore", it's a bit of old fluff that might not even be canon any more and not really a secret as there's a fair bit about it online
Oh...the thumbnail and title...right. Ok, so it is the biggest secret the Emperor had, which in my mind makes it the biggest secret in 40K. That would be in-universe, not necessarily to us that are outside it, observing.
I have been paying a lot of attention to the books lately, and to what GW has been saying, as well as the rumors that are coming from sources that are usually pretty spot-on.
Yes, Fulgrim and the year of chaos etc. That all ties into exactly what I'm saying. Fulgrim is intrinsically intertwined with the King in Yellow story arc. Pandemonium is done, but being delayed for unstated reasons...ostensibly because they are bringing the massive stuff in the lore they want to do into line with the massive stuff on the tabletop they want to do.
I mean this is all going to build up over the next 2 years leading into the 40th anniversary of 40K.
If you don't think so, or whatever, that's fine with me.
If I'm wrong about this, that is also fine with me.
Thanks for watching.
@@InquisitorRomanovOh you know things are gonna *pop off* for the 40th anniversary
Vulcan's superpower is not being a perpetual. Its having empathy and emotional intelligence. Something he clearly didn't inherit from the emperor.
And I call it a superpower because it makes Vulcan one of the few stable individuals who could actually handle the power granted to him without sperging out.
@@oneandy2 I agree…mostly.
Emps is the greatest tyrant, villain, and monster in the setting. But when he meets Vulkan he shows he can be cool, kind, and caring too. Big E isn’t all bad, just 99.9%
Vulkan’s empathy may just be his greatest strength but he probably did get it from his father…even if Neoth didn’t want to acknowledge that part of himself. But he did eventually cast his empathy and compassion away, before facing Horus…thus creating the Starchild. He had that part…he just considered it a weakness but Vulkan is proof it’s actually a great strength.
@@InquisitorRomanov The one thing that the "somewhat" well-adjusted primarchs have in common was good foster parents or at least some kind of healthy family structure.
Except Perturabo. I think he could have been swapped with Guilliman or Dorn and still would have wound up a moody little turd.
I think its rather simple. Those three legions are the most human. It was a plan to make astartes that would be able to integrate better into humanity
Hot Take: Yes and No. Perpetual . . . of a kind. Vulcan respawns yes. What if -Alpharius/Omegon- The Hydra works akin to Trayzn the Infinite? Soul displacement resulting in perpetuality of a sort . . . Oh you covered that, okay . . . But if this is how Vulkan and the Hydra work, how does Russ work? Reincarnation? Dies and is reborn again and again . . . perhaps Ciaphas Caine is his latest reincarnation, with his luck being the result of his Primarch soul? or perhaps some other hero of the Imperium . . . Yarrick perhaps?
I really hope Yarrick stays dead. But if Ciaphas Caine is Leman Russ I would actually love that. It would be a bold, unexpected move. But it would be awesome.
My goofy ass just figured like "oh it's cause they were the Space Marines he was grooming to infiltrate the other Legions, the Space Marines he was grooming to execute the other Legions, and the Space Marines he was grooming to make Terra-destroying WMDs if the need arose," and i didn't really give it much more thought than that, i like this way better i'm actually obsessed with this
Nice!
New head canon. Alpharius isn't just limited to splitting once. By the 41st millenium every alpha legionaire is alpharius because he's died and split so many times. They're all telling the truth when they say they are alpharius but due to their nature they'll never be believed.
@@Anarcho_slimer that’s a tsunami of Primarchs…I love it!
Really interesting. I wonder, since Omegon says "I am Alpharius" when he senses the death of Alpharius at the hands of Dorne, if the primary consciousness of the split soul of Alpharius is transferred into the living part of himself when he dies. And the reborn secondary, tertiary, etc bodies become an offshoot of the main Alpharius? Meaning we have at least 3 Alpharius' living at this point.
@@andrewpieterse6809 that’s my guess as to what’s happening. I feel like it would be perfect to have 3 of them.
@InquisitorRomanov I wonder as well, if rather than losing a bit of his sanity, part of his personality splits, which is why we get a cocky Omegon, who is very different to Alpharius.
I was talking to a buddy a couple of weeks ago about this very thing, sort of. I have believed for a while now that Alpharius isn't dead AND that Omegon isn't 'real' but a little of Alpharius himself.
My first video ever was about how Alpharius has Tyler Durden syndrome and Omegon is a split personality.
love these deep dives
Awesome, as I have more planned.
Well Alpharius isn’t coming back from the dead but I’m sure Omegon can step up his game.
Word
i love these obscure and old lore deeo dives
Awesome, because I am finding these are my favorite kinds of videos to make.
Don’t forget the emperor made like 1000-2000 alpha legionnaires before he stopped. And now they are rumored to have the most marines in the galaxy. Won’t be shocked if Vulcan and Russ come back to cull the legionnaires. After they push the lion and gilliman on the back foot. I am hoping cypher is a one of the heads too.
Yeah, I think it would be cool if Cypher is an Alpha Legionnaire, but doubt they'll go there. Whoever he is though, it is one of the things I've most wanted to know since 3rd edition.
What if they *all* duplicate 😳😳😳
To build off this ...I think the 3 legions themselves were meant for life after the great crusade. The Alpha legion were going to be the KGB of the imperium ...like super soldier inquisition. The Salamanders were going to be the defenders of humanity... Think about how they always work to minimize human casualties... And the wolves were there as enforcers ...to keep everyone in line. Horus, and other primarchs, worried about the emperor's plan for the legions post crusade... It is not crazy to think Russ was going to clean up the unsalvageable, or unwanted, legions... And then keep the ones spared in check.
The answer to what all these legions have absolutely in common is very evident: Loyalty. Think about it.
@@hero4life15 this is a truth that can’t he denied. I have a video about AL actually being the most loyal of all legions.
But I wonder if that was the Emperor’s main goal, or a byproduct of what he did to those legions.
The secret three legions just came into mind recently and I was researching them last week. Well timed video 😂
That's awesome. I've been obsessing about this since 2003 and felt like it was time.
The math doesnt line up for this theory, at least if we use 211.M31 as the year of Russ' disappearance, but Odin hung from Yggdrasil for 9 days and nights. What if Russ did something similar when he found the tree of life? 9 millennia to gain the knowledge he needed, 9 millennia to heal the wounds he was dealt, 9 millennia of sacrificing himself unto himself, 9 millennia of the Dionysian Spear granting him truths from its auramite tip. What if it took until late into M32 or M33 for him to find the tree and figure out what was needed? The parallels between Russ and Odin could be deepening
Vulcan has returned, nest russ
Have you read the novels? I've been reading the Horus Hearsay books war on Terra series recently and am almost done. Vulcan speaks with a group of space-time travelers including one named John Gramaticus (I'm listening to audible so no idea on spelling) in the throne-room after the Emperor has left to fight Horus. They refer to Vulcan having taken John's perpetual power at some previous point. John is mortal now and Vulcan was immortal when he needed to survive his many deaths in the Webway fighting against his brother Magnus the Red.
Vulcan wasn't created as a perpetual and I don't know if perpetuals can be made through any normal means. The books reference several times about the dwindling number of perpetuals in existence. I think I heard another theory video that there's speculation that The Great Old Ones' gift to humanity were the perpetuals. They were given multiple lives to help guide and shepherd the human race. If that's the case, then I don't think any new ones can be made.
Woaaaah that’s a crazy good theory
@@HermitRunner thanks, I appreciate it
Another huge piece of lore people arent talking about is the secret legion being made in a pocket dimension by the king in yellow (valdor!?) As shown in the 2nd bequin novel
@@zacharyadammusic well not many videos on it yet but comes up a lot in the comments
Which is inspiring me to do a cudeo on it.
Magnus was powerful and maybe even very strong but he got bodied by Russ and Vulkan both. So there you go.
I hate the existence of perpetuals, and refuse to across them in canon. Having said that, I also think that Alpharius solid his mind across his legion making him effectively immortal as long as they exist.
I've been theorizing about where the story of 40K is going for a while now, and I'm not a fan of many of the most popular theories and doomsayings out there. I hear people complaining that the primarchs (or even moreso the Emperor) returning is pushing the story toward a final victory for the Imperium, but I'm not convinced. I honestly think returning primarchs pushes the Imperium closer and closer to civil war. And if the Emperor returns? It will be the biggest clusterfuck for the Imperium since the Horus Heresy. And this theory works right into that framework. If and when Russ returns, I don't think he's going to be all buddy-buddy with the Lion and Gorillaman. There might be a bit of that at the start, but as more and more loyalist primarchs return, it will reach a breaking point and they'll start fighting with each other, breaking the Imperium even further.
That's what I am hoping for. A huge civil war that gets grimdark as hell...and I want Lion to get revenge for Guilliman breaking his sword. That was very rude. I mean it is a grim dark future where there is only war...so crank up the only war part!
@@InquisitorRomanov Yeah, the whole theme of the setting is crumbling empires. Unless GW completely changes the direction of 30-odd years of storytelling, the Imperium is doomed to collapse, just like all other empires. The return of the primarchs should appear to be a glimmer of hope, but in reality it should a burning ember falling into a powder keg. If and when Vulkan, Corvus, and/or Jaghatai return, they should take one look at what the Imperium is now and say "Fuck this!" lol.
I really just want Guilliman to get tired of being used and tell his father to eat shit and goes off to join Abaddon. That would be a start.
I agree with you on those three Primarchs and how they'd feel. But what about the Lion? I bet he gets sick of it all real quick...too bad they brought him back and then forgot he exists.
@InquisitorRomanov My guess is that when more primarchs start showing up and rocking the boat, Rowboat's gonna get fed up and just go back to Ultramar. That'll get him declared a renegade and/or a heretic and start some kind of crusade against Ultramar. I could see it coming down to Dorn and Russ on the Imperium's side, with the Khan and Corax allied with Guilliman, and Vulcan and the Lion caught in the middle.
Or the Lion says fuckit and just builds his own version of the Imperium in the Inperium Nihilus.
And the Emperor coming back won't help any of that, because even some of the loyalist primarchs are fed up with his shit.
I've had the exact same thought about the Alpha Legion and the symbolism of the hydra for a while, thought it was just me, lol
Definitely dive in deeper, regardless of whether this is correct or not it's an interesting 'what if'
This is a bit of a side point but I find it interesting these these three are my favourite Legions - got into Space Marines with Space Wolves, Alpha Legion is a work in progress for a 30k army, and fairly recently got into Salamanders.
Awesome. I would love to do a 30K Alpha Legion army. Hydra Dominatus!
Hit me with more tinfoil hat lore like this, this was great!
Will do! Thanks
That sounds really cool which is why we know GW isn't capable of writing it
Love this type of video, stories, deep lore, mysteries, and theories are my favourite things to consume!
Insert William Dafoe "sssymbolisssm"
Indeed
Man I NEED a copy of the black books...why are they out of print? Its no fair
I hope they bring them back, even in a limited run. 40K is about to be 40, so I hope they give us a shot at buying some old hard to get stuff again.
Nothing like the black books.