“Ex-Gay” Jackie Hill Perry | God is Grey
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I’m an atheist but the love, kindness and understanding you show makes me want to believe.
Tiana Marie praying for you!!
Tiana Marie That is all apart of God’s love too girl. He is just as kind & merciful & forgiving & open to all. Definitely something you should be open to experiencing ❤️
Certainly not a reason to believe but I agree, we need more love and understanding.
Tiana Marie too bad there isn't proof god exists. All the love he has shown me has been shit
@@yukorai8323 We live in an imperfect world Jesus never promised a good life. As for proof, check out Frank Turek, as long as you have an open mind you'll find the truth.
"Probably One Direction" lmaooo
@@dragongirl7978 Yeaah I really loved how she approached them too. You can tell she wasn't there to ridicule them. But he's dilusional lol, they have protection because they are offending and provoking
Confused but open. I’m 50 years old & used to be a homophobic Christian until my dear friend came out to me. Now I am considering that SSA is not sinful but if I’m open to that then, logically, I’d have to be open to other forms of sexuality. I want to do more research but am convinced that the Holy Spirit will lead & guide me in ALL truth. I’m so grateful I found your channel/podcast & look forward to more episodes. God bless you
I think the bible classifies the act of homosexuality as a sin, not the attraction. But lust, whether straight lust or homosexual lust is sinful. And logically, if marriage is between a man and a woman (Biblically speaking) then all other sexuality is unbiblical/not marriage in God's eyes. And then if we look at the word homophobic, it is often used incorrectly. If we look at the original meaning of phobia, it was a medical term, used to classify certain fears, like fear of heights, fear of spiders, etc. The way it is being used now is incorrect. If a God-fearing Christian chooses not to alter the Bible based on modern-day society, they are deemed homophobic, by default. But they aren't actually scared of homosexual people, the only thing we have to fear is God Himself. But by that same logic, using the word homophobic as it is used today, *ALL* gay people are Christaphobic/Godaphobic/anti- God. So that whole word of homophobic is not actually being used in the right way. And then, if we use some peoples' logic, then by default there must be a such thing as heterophobia, bisexualophobia, etc etc etc.
Thesunshine1224 Thank you for being so open.
I'm only 23, but studying biblical scholarship and theology in a Christian college brought me a whole lot of change in my relationship with God and the Bible in a very short time. All I can say is: if you believe that the Spirit of God is leading you in this direction, to be open to other forms of sexuality, then the Spirit of God will give you a vision of the Word that is consistent with the place where he's leading you.
@@dragongirl7978 I just did a quick Google search on homophobia. The first definition that comes up is, "dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people" So aversion/fear is not really what people mean when they call Christians homophobic. I don't know any Christians who are legitimately fearful and scared when they are in the proximity of gay people. And there is no such thing as an anti-LGBT Christian and a pro-LGBT Christian. That in itself is segregating the body of Christ, unnecessarily. We are called to be united. I don't feel any aversion or repulsion to gay people, I have many friends who are gay. So if I was scared or repulsed by them, why would I have friends who are gay? My entire point is we are all sinners, and none of us have exceptions. A straight fornicator is just as sinful as a gay one. And the only Truth is in the Bible, people will tell you thinks that directly contradict the Word of God. If most people are homophobic then most gay people are anti-God, by your logic.
78 Days thanks for the clarification,I appreciate that.
As a lesbian who has been directed to Jackie Hill Perry from my father, it's extremely refreshing to see somebody clear up some of her points and also introduce a more healthy way to continue affirming their christianity and sexuality. Another amazing video!!! I love you so much
yeah, she is a whole deal. Funny thing is that her style is so gay, like, the gay jumps out haha.
Clementina Yael Severina M. When you’re a Christian you give up your desires and start living the way Christ has called you to live .So in Jackie’s case sure she couldn’t change it but allowing God to work in her allowed her to experience change that she couldn’t gain by herself . You can’t serve God and live the way you want too. It’s either one way or the other . Their is always a choice
Rotciv her style is not gay
L Raven she didn’t force herself . She allowed God to take control of her life and had to say no to certain ways she wanted to live because it doesn’t align with her being a Christian which is being a follower of Jesus which is always a choice for everyone . No one is being forced in becoming a Christian .
Rotciv her style is not gay .
God is so good man. He’s pursuing all of us. No matter our difference, perceived sins and struggles. We are all WORTHY in the eyes of God.
@Heart Swap because God died we are worthy.
Dillon Sudduth hmm the only person in the Bible who went around saying other people weren’t real Christians was the devil. Interesting that you’re doing the devils work in the name of Christianity.
Dillon Sudduth Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. (Matt. 7:1-6)
Heart Swap with the Bible verse one, it doesn’t make it any less valid. It’s still true and biblical as “tired” as people may be with it.
Secondly, I agree with you. But I don’t think we have a place to call out whether others are saved or not. Jesus has an edge but he has a whole lot of grace and forgiveness. He doesn’t just call people out. There’s always a step two, whether that be grace or a lesson or guidance or saving.
I for one am not homosexual, but if God has called me to do as follows
“Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
Best believe I’m going to love everyone and love God.
We are called to hate sin not people
Heart Swap I’m happy we’re mostly on the same page. I think reading Romans 14 was super helpful for me in its entirety (it doesn’t excuse homosexuality) but gives us an insight on how we should view Christians of “weaker” faith or of different practice.
"She wasn't ready for this spirit!"💕
Watched the State of Grace video awhile ago and loved every moment of it. Jackie and Grace are so loving and understanding towards each other and they are both beautiful people inside and out.
Jackie’s narrative was basically taken over and completely changed in that Girl Defined video. Oh god, how I hate that manipulative toxicity. To take someone’s opinions and edit them in a way that they misalign with their actual thoughts is pure bigotry. Not cool, Girl Defined. I can usually tolerate your opinions, but not cool.
Brenda, thanks for clearing this up. Love xx
? How did Brenda in ANY way do that? She showed the two thoughts, her opinion and was very fair. Not sure where you got this idea that she manipulated!
TheRavyShow LOL i was talking about girl defined. I said Girl defined. Go watch Girl Defined’s video Jackie Hill video and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Brenda is amazing, and she’s what I wish every Christian becomes.
Thanks for sharing Jackie's side of the story. I had always seen her represented as proof that gay Christians can be turned straight and I am relieved to know that is not the case.
Same i.e. GirlDefined
randomperson8571 girl defined isn’t gay
Why is it not the case? I don’t get it
@@vale.a.m.6419 she still feels attraction to women even while being married to a man. This goes against the belief that being gay is a choice.
@@bluemaverick5641 You need to actually hear what Jackie HERSELF has said about this topic rather than what a 3rd party is saying what she said. Jackie makes it very clear being gay is a choice because we are all born sinners. Being a pedophile isn't a choice either, nor is being a murderer, a liar. It's our sinful nature inherited from Adam that makes us have no choice is those sins. However it's a choice to remain in those sins when God has provided a way out through Christ.
That's why 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says, "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." The Bible goes on to say, "And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
That's why Jackie CHANGED. She was a sinner who practiced her sins and once she repented she gave up her sin for Holiness. Paul murdered Christians before he became a follower of Christ. Once he was saved he stopped his murdering ways.You need to follow Jackie's social media, read her book and listen to her speak, she makes it very clear that you can't be an unrepentant sinner who follows Christ. There is no such thing as a pedophile Christian, a murdering Christian, a thief Christian, an adulterating Christian, etc. You're a new creation when you repent "the old has gone and the new has come." God gives you new desires, because you're no longer a slave to sin and instead are slave to Christ. So yes being gay isn't a choice because you're automatically conceived in sin. But to remain in that sin when a way out has been provided is a choice. And Jackie chose to leave because she loved Holiness more than she loved sin.
You’re honestly such an amazing youtuber. I can’t express how much your channel has helped me
@Fallon Redding she’s a false believer in Christ. There’s nothing honest about her “teachings”.
Michael Tarren Scott you’re wrong. She knows her bible, and especially understands the context of it. People who read it literally as if each verse was personally written to them are the ones off key.
I just love how Jackie and Grace go straight for the common ground.
Conversion therapy banned in 16 states for minors, a small step but still a step in protection for those misrepresented and abused
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Just a reminder...♡ The Bible isn't only interpreted by another person. The Holy Spirit guides and gives discerment to truth.
"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God (the Bible) but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit."
1 Corinthians 2:14 ♡
@Sotheysaylooloo That would be Jesus himself,The Bible says his sprit bears witness with our sprit !
I’ve never had a good experience with “Christians” but really like you
me too 🙃
As a person who was in a heterosexual marriage can attest, I found it very difficult to ignore my own feelings of same sex attraction and ultimately it made me so unhappy that I wanted to kill myself. I tried to make him happy and he saw only misery in me. I can't believe that Jackie would allow such a grey area that could be corrupted from its original intention to hurt others like her. I know she's not doing it out of spite and she really believes that she's doing the right thing, but not everyone can do what she's doing. It causes too much pain.
UA-camr Grudge ❤️❤️❤️
My heart goes out to you and others in situations like yours. I hope your happy now.
I hate that gay people feel forced into heterosexual marriages, straight people who think this is a good idea need to imagine themselves being forced into a same sex relationship.
Maybe she’s bi. A lot of people who think being Gay is a choice, are bisexuals who “choose” not to act on those “feelings.”
@@viridianacortes9642 while it's true that a lot of bisexual Christians judge gay christians by saying "oh but why don't you just love the opposite gender like i do", i think that jackie is actually lesbian or at least has a strong strong preference for women. I read her book and the way she describes her first and only relationship with a woman was absolutely beautiful and full of love. You could literally see how much they loved each other. However, her relationship with her husband, she describes as a constant battle and she always to this day struggles with ssa (like she says).
I'm bisexual myself and i can't really relate with her book since I don't have a problem with dating men my whole life. I'm currently in a happy relationship with my boyfriend but that doesn't mean i'm straight. I've had girl crushes before and I know that i love girls too. And I'm not saying it's not hard for me to neglect that love (which i don't do btw since i don't think it's a sin), but it's certainly not hard for me to love the opposite gender. That's where I'm different from gay people since for gay people, loving the opposite gender in a romantic way is basically impossible. I hate that many bi Christians judge gay christians for that...
"How beautifully diverse is God's creation?" Loved that! I'm a lesbian and was raised in a Christian household. After coming out to my mom I was forced into prayers, she doubled down on church attendance, she would read the bible to me. Now she's calmed down and doesn't preach but it still hurts me that she views who I am as a sin. I strongly believe this is why suicide rate is high among LGBTQ teens. They, like myself, are being taught that who they are goes against God when it is God who created us.
Romans 1:26-27
The bible doesn't teach us theat sexual desires is a sin but lust is. You are not your sexuality, you are a daughter of God and God loves His children. Your identity is not rooted in who you are attracted, what you have accomplished, your failures or sins, who or where you were born or raised. GOd loves you and I pray you feel that :)
@@bm6093 aren’t sexual desires also lust
@@TheSacredlizzy Amen!
@@bm6093 Romans 1:26-27
I'll confess, I was not as charitable about Jackie when I first came across her because I find her message so harmful, in my opinion. But, you've changed my heart on this into being more understanding. Thank you.
“Probably one direction” I adore Grace. She’s so wonderful, and she has brought me peace. I can totally understand the feeling of being pushed away from Christianity because of people’s reactions to the lgbt community
For a second I thought it was talking about Jaclyn Hill 👀
I can't wait for that
Love some good hairy lipsticks.
😂🤣😂
Mr. Monokuma lol
Jesus hates hairy lippies
It is upsetting that Jackie’s story of used as a weapon. Were it not, it could have the potential to be revolutionary. There is no one story of a gay Christian. If a girl or boy grew up with this image of the classic picture of a family and were devastated by the realization of their same sex attraction, her story could give those people hope, even if they were to eventually decide that God would bless their marriage to a person of the same sex. Knowing that there are multiple ways to love and follow God as a queer person that still validates you and your identity and feelings is incredible.
Even though I agree with Jackie's view, I love the respect and genuine ear you gave to her story. You were correct to say that many Christians have misrepresented her views btw. Anyway, I appreciated this video.
I'm straight but the first time I felt truly overwhelmed with peace in God and a love for Him was when I first came to accepting my own sexual nature. I may also be demisexual, so I was fine most of my life because I simply did not experience sexual attraction to anyone in particular, until I was in my mid 20s. And now in my relationship with my boyfriend, suddenly I was facing how to be Christian, and express myself. My boyfriend is one of very few people, if not the only person, I feel I can be all of myself around. He's atheist but he is supportive of all sides of me. My faith, my sexuality, everything. It was in finding freedom within myself, to be all of myself, that I came closer to God I think.
No offense but 2 Cor. 6:14 and Hebrews 13:4
@@a.kamileon he’s not stopping her from being her religious self and her journey. That’s called a healthy situation. We should never force our S/O to engage in any religious practices they don’t want be involved in.
Luke 9:23 And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me"
Yep
There's more than one way yo deny ones self. Sex isn't the center of the universe.
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE CHRISTIANS IN THE BACK. 💕💕💕
AMEN!!
I read her book, and as a lgbt person, I identified a lot with her struggle of growing up in a super religious community. Having no support for who you are.
However, the way she chooses to think and live her life is far from the image of peace and happiness that she thinks she is projecting.
She essentially admits to living a lie!!! But it’s all for Christ right? As long as she thinks she’s pleasing god, she is content with suppressing her misery for the sake of not being shamed or damned to Hell.
It is so freaking SAD. No one should have to feel that way. I can’t even believe the trauma she adds on to her soul. She has been through so much, all in the name of the god she serves. But her indoctrinated fear holds her back from acknowledging her own toxic and self deprecating behavior.
My prayers are with her.
Evey Cocoa it breaks my heart. I can’t imagine the conflict she must endure. I wonder if she realises the toll it is taking on her.
She is at peace with God, the best place to be. He is rendering her mind and soul and reforming her mindset to the original way God intended her to be. She's not in torment as you say, she is being freed from torment. I pray you find the same peace in Jesus.
Zandi I can assure you, as a person who’s tried doing what she is, she’s not at peace. She’s in a living hell.
@@drpigglesnuudelworte5209 u dont know that. thnkng shes pleasng God mght be enough
Your videos are so needed! Informed and assertive and kind. The world needs you. Thank you ❤️
Hi Brenda, I have been following your videos for a little while now. I have sooo much respect & love for you. Thank you for opening these conversations. Though for much of my life I have leaned toward a perhaps conservative evangelical view on this topic, I am open to learning the other side laying aside all my preconceived notions. I still struggle with discerning if the active pursuit of same-sex attraction is a sin. I have many friends Christian and non-Christian alike who are LGBTQ+ and am sooo thankful they are patient with me through my wrestling. I also thank you for being kind to Jackie despite the differences you two may have. I'm so thankful to have had the opportunity to talk with Jackie when she spoke at my university. I hope someday I can have the same opportunity with you!
Catlin Walton I respect your humility and willingness to listen and learn.
1) I'm so jealous you're friends with Grace. I've been such a fan of her's for years and I think she's just amazing.
2) There was a small discussion in the comments on one of your last videos that you mentioned here about division, unity, and othering people. You responded and I sincerely hope that I didn't make you think that I don't support the idea of bringing people over to our side. I have to admit, I'm extremely tired and hurt but I am someone who wants to be a reflection of God's love more than anything. So while I still believe that the idea of unity isn't going to fix everyone and there are bigger battles to be fought (mainly legislatively), I realize I have to work on softening my heart before things get even worse - change is possible and I have to remember that.
I saw Grace's videos on Refinery 29 and how she exposed the Christian music industry. Those who had come out of it were free to be more creative and sing about their emotions more. Like this channel owner I was expected to get into Christian music and found it lacking. I look back and now realise how bad it was. It's like fake perfumes. Even the Body Shop and Lush have stopped making perfumes that smell like fine perfumes and came up with their own formulas and names. The notes in Christian music are too elongated and there isn't much rhythm. At first I could only listen to bands like REM and Blur and couldn't get onto the faster or heavier music until later on. Just before and just after I was listening to synth pop as I couldn't bear to listen to guitars for a while because every Christian event involved singing choruses to guitars even a boat trip or a barbecue..
There is no "cookie-cutter" truth, there is only the one Truth as expressed by the one God.
I remember finding Jackie when I first figured out I liked girls. I was so happy to find someone who was deeper into it than myself and came out of it, but it never struck a cord in my heart even though I did want & try to stop liking girls.
I do believe some people out there are called to a different life, but doing what she has done isn’t for everybody. Her music & spirit is still amazing though! 😄
I hope you've found peace with everything now!
As a queer person I have been directed to Jackie’s books several times and personally I do find it harmful, unintentionally I believe, but still harmful. It seems to be the only gay persons’ experience the people who have recommended it to me have read, and they then come to me saying, “see this is how you should live! It’s possible to be gay and Christian, just don’t act gay!” And for me that’s not really going to work. One, I would like to find love and have a life partner, and if I were to do the straight thing that not only would be harmful to me but that partner. Mainly because I could never love them in the way they deserve to be loved. My feelings would never go beyond friendship and I would never “want” them the way you should in that sort of relationship, which I feel would be unfair to them. Two, I’m nonbinary, so who would I even be supposed to date exactly? I’m not exactly a woman and I’m not exactly a man, so can I only date other nonbinary people? Anyone as long as they’re not nonbinary? I’m I supposed to just not be nonbinary? Which I don’t know how I would just not “be” nonbinary, even if I was presenting more toward the gender I was assigned at birth I’d still be nonbinary, just hiding.
Ah but Christians forgot trans people exist, and now that they're starting to figure it out, it's scaring them to death. 😂 In all seriousness, western Christian worldviews aggressively rely on binary realities and that includes gender - the concept of Jackie's theology here probably extends to gender (her book says she struggled with gender dysphoria as well?). If you just choose not to live it out, you're doing the "Christian thing."
I knew watching this video would hurt me. You have no idea how much pain Jackie has caused the LGBT community. We can't "agree to disagree" because people are dying because of her theology. Gross. I hate when supposedly progressive Christians like you put out content like this. (And it's always the straight ones, isn't it?) I am so close to unsubbing.
L Francis I really agree. I was hurt so badly by Jackie to the point of suicide. Its… not a beautiful message. All it is is pain and suffering and hell on hearth.
I love that you are so open to correcting yourself, it’s inspiring!
Thank you for opening this conversation up!
This is an amazingly well-explained summary of how two perspectives within the church view the topic of LGBTQ+/SSA Christians. I think Grace is nutty amazing and her work is so powerful. That and I couldn’t agree with you more in how you explained everything here. This POV feels rare but when I find these resources I’m so excited to share them, as a cis-het affirming believer, with others. Thank you!! ❤️
Love love love this! And the fact that you're able to address any slip ups you have in your videos with grace :) it's very inspirational
Thanks for positively highlighting Jackie;s story, as many atheist channels have been bashing her. I know people in my family whose stories are like hers. If you want to know a little more, maybe I could contact them and ask them to reach out to you? One person was a minister at a affirming church in FL for a while, so she has that experience as well.
I’m so sorry for her. She should be who she is, and she is a lesbian. Just like a straight person cannot choose who they find attractive. I hate the term same sex attracted! It sounds like a disease. Sexual orientation isn’t a disease. Religion is supposed to be about love & acceptance. I don’t like how so many religious people judge others who aren’t like them like crap. Why can’t people just accept each other for who they are, so what if they’re LBTGA+ that’s still a human being, that aren’t hurting anyone! Great discussion.
The way you differentiate and show both sides is so refreshing. You build so many bridges. Thank you
Your video gives me hope that people can talk openly with love, even about tough issues.
I love you so much Brenda! I hope you understand how well you are letting the Lord speak through you, and how it has changed so many lives
Your videos are always awesome and intelligent your channel have has given so much hope to the lgbtq and other minority groups that the Christian church frowns upon love you Brenda it is totally unnatrual that she married a man as a lesbian but I totally understand
You are such a lovely person. Jesus' love shines through you sister x
This is awesome Brenda!
Jackie makes me feel so conflicted. I can see and recognize the sheer struggle and force of will she has had in order to become a wife and a mother, and how much she has sacrificed for this thing she truly believes in. She is clearly a good person, her attitudes towards conversion therapy and her honesty about how you can't just "pray away the gay" show that. And I do respect her immensely for that. But at the same time, I pity her for those same reasons, because that sacrifice was not one she had to make. That guilt, that shame you feel for this thing you cannot and should not have to control, that's something she's dealt with for so long, and I just wish there was something I could do to get her to a space where she isn't putting herself under constant emotional duress. Unfortunately, after all these years and the family she's built because of this restriction she's put on herself, it's not likely anything can get her to that place. Suffering is hard, and suffering for a cause is hard, but suffering for a cause you find out you didn't have to suffer for? That can mentally wreck somebody.
Hello I'm just wondering, did you check out their youtube channel? She is happy. She love her husband and children. Preston,her husband is also a wonderful guy. And also if you read her book,gay girl good God,she explained there why she and Preston had a hard time in the beginning of their relationship. It is not because she is forcing herself to love him. It is because that trauma and mistrust she have for a man in general. She said she was 6 or 7 when a teenage boy sexually abused her. In the book she said,God doesn't asked her to be straight,but asked her to love Him. And trust Him. She may still have a struggle with SSA,but I doesn't mean that she doesn't love her husband. And that she is suffering.
@@purplehatdog5796 Hello, and thanks for responding in a kind manner even though we disagree. I don't doubt that she loves her husband, love and attraction are very complicated things, and building a life with someone is a deep and profound kind of love that is just as valid as any other kind. My worry for her suffering is the shame and restrictions she puts on her own feelings. If she was comfortable with her attraction to women, accepted it as a part of herself rather than having to excise it and disown it from her personality? Then I wouldn't at all feel bad for her for marrying a man. My aunt identifies as primarily lesbian and still married a man and had two wonderful kids with him. I don't feel bad for her, or question how she loved him, even though she was firm in stating her lesbianism and even though the marriage eventually ended for unrelated reasons.
To hone in on two of your sentiments though, that God doesn't ask her to be straight but to love/trust him, and your phrasing that she still "struggles" with her SSA. To the latter, that struggle is exactly where my pity comes from, because I don't think it's something that should require any sort of struggle. To the former, if love/trust in God was all that was being asked for, if she did not feel like straightness was asked of her, then why did she feel the need to forgo relationships with women from then on? There are many lesbians who love and trust God (not me, I'm an atheist, but they're out there), and love and trust that the way he made them was the way they should be.
As a former Christian who is bisexual this was refreshing video. Thanks. TL
I can't stop smiling. This is the most wholesome video I've watched!
true!!
Oohhhh!! I can't wait to have another Christian channel to sub to! I absolutely love you Brenda! ❤️
I really thought this video was gonna just be slamming Jackie and I was gonna be upset because I adore her. I was so pleasantly surprised to see the grace and respect with which this was handled! Thank you for not only speaking kindly of her, but also allowing her view to be expressed even though you disagreed. More of this healthy dialogue is needed!
BEAUTIFUL video. You have a beautiful compassion we can all learn from.
I’d love to see you and Jackie have a discussion
I am not religious, I am an atheist, trying to understand other points of views, that's why i am here. And it is so so great to see and hear that there are Christian people like you, who are open to a conversation, open to understanding others and get their point across in a positive way without judgement.
While I try to respect JHP's position, it's so aggravatingly naive and not worthy of respect. Saying she identifies as ex-gay, or that her marriage doesn't make her holy, doesn't change the harmful ideology that would call Grace's marriage to be broken up, or to prevent any queer person from having a relationship. Asking queer people to respect christians who hold those anti-gay positions is also harmful. We shouldn't respect beliefs that dehumanize people or disrespect their autonomy in favor of a narcissistic god trying to control our sexuality and relationships. Also it's naive because of course other people call her "ex-gay" because she is saying things that modern ex-gay people say. Conversion therapy is out and JHP's position is just the new way Christians have pivoted from their approach without changing their anti-gay answer.
God isn’t grey by the way. He is both loving and holy, but not grey❤️
Nah, Jackie's understanding of what it means to deny yourself and carry your cross is correct. You said for people who say the Bible is the only authority. They need to consider the truth. What is The Truth? You said all we have been taught has been from a human beings interpretation. Yet, you offer more human beings interpretations as "truth." How is that different? Also, I believe Jackie's approach to this subject is almost the best christian approach to this topic. In love, kindness, and respect for the other persons humanity and the struggles they face. Anyone who is out their protesting saying "God Hates Gays" is a Pharisee, and do not understand Jesus. However, why do we need more than God's Word? Saying that we do is denying God, He gave you his word to reveal himself to you. And yes somethings about Him are hard to understand and go against our sinful human nature. That's because God is Holy. We gloss over what "God is Holy" actually means, the weight of that is important. The term homosexuality may not have been explicitly said in the Bible. However in the original Greek and Hebrew, for example Romans 1 would be translated "men who sleep/lay with other men." Yes this means sex. It wasn't called that back then, but the action was still known clearly. I have struggled with pornography, and having sex before marriage before I became a Christian. But, now that I am in Christ I strive daily to deny the desires of my sinful broken flesh. And nothing but good has come from it in my relationship with God. Christianity ultimately goes against the Culture of the World. We must live in the World, but not be of the World. Tell me who embraces the culture of the world? Grace? Or Jackie? By this logic, should I start attending a pornography affirming church? Or a Polyamorous affirming church? Where does it end? Your identity should be in Christ, not your sexuality. When Jackie says, "I identify as a Christ because Christ is who I serve." She is denying herself and serving her God, placing the identity of Christ above all things. When Grace says, " I am a Lesbian/Homosexual Christian," She is places her sexual identity first, above her identity in Christ. I am not denying Grace's or anyone who struggles with SSA, that they don't know Jesus. I am not the judge of that. However, just like my sins, Christ peeled back the scales form my eyes so I could see where I was broken, and where he could heal me if I just denied myself and accepted the love of Christ.
Sorry, this logic is flawed, and self serving. God did not make any mistakes, He is Holy, therefore Perfect, Therefore he created perfectly. He created Male and Female for many reasons. But, Marriage, and sex is explicitly between a Male and Female in Marriage. I have said Nothing of my own opinion that is not backed up by Scripture. So, if you took the time to Read this ask God to remove scales from your eyes. I still do it everyday, and nothing but peace and joy come from it.
I understand your heart, but the world's definition of love, is not the Love of God.
Great video I am a gay and atheist too and you treat this topic with so much care and respect for both sides of the history that I am agree with you on the fact that we need to work on mutual understanding from both sides of the issue , with this topic as well as with other sensible topics
I live watching your videos. All of your videos are very well put together and informative. You are a truly a civilizing influence in the world
Again, tempted to share this video with my parents. I feel like if they can be open to new ideas and stop all the “righteous” judgement... I don’t know, maybe we could repair our relationship. But I know they’d point to Jackie and say that she’s the “real” Christian and that’s how you should live and what not and that they would dismiss Grace completely. Even if they did take the time to listen. I know I can’t change anyone’s mind but i wish the damage could actually be fixed. As always, thank you for a lovely, thought provoking, video ❤️
I just wanted to say thank you. I've been struggling with how most Christians interpret the Bible for years. I myself am not part of the LGBTQI+ community but I have many friends and family that are. It was hard for me to understand how people could say 'God hates gays' when my interpretation has always been that God loves everyone. I've gone through the same process with understanding Shame Culture and I've truly come into my own opinions and beliefs recently, and your videos very much supported that. Thank you so much x
Teghan Smith God loves all people. So much so that Jesus died on the cross to pay for everything we have done wrong so we can be free. God hates sin though, he’s very clear about that. Some sins are sex outside of marriage (God defined marriage as between a man and woman), lying, stealing, murder, jealousy, gossip to name a few. He gives us his power so we don’t have to keep sinning because He knows we are incapable ale of changing ourselves.
jackie's view is actually the way most catholics see it too. idk what to make of it, tbh
nah that's not true. Jackie's view is how most GAY christians view it. But most christians think that ex gay means you don't have any same sex attraction anymore which is even MORE harmful than Jackie's view. They say that change is possible and that praying can turn you straight. That's what most cishet Christians believe since they don't understand what gay people feel like.
Grace, Brenda, and Jackie are women after God's own heart.
"She wasn't ready for the SPIIIRITT" lol
Sin is sin, people need to stop taking the Bible and manipulating it to fit THEIR own desires, not the desires of God.
Praise God for you!!!!! You are the FIRST person on this video that has admitted the Truth. But I realized that Brenda isn't actually following the Bible, she is creating her own "word" and using the Bible as a supplement... May God have mercy on her for leading these people astray. I think most people here are not reading the Bible for themselves... and instead of following God, they follow Brenda as the "way, the truth and the light."
But can we ever completely stop sinning? We all have pride, envy, lust, and wrath within us. I don't think our salvation depends on being perfect because we cannot be perfect. Rather we should believe in Christ and follow his ways. If gay people can be brought closer to God by being allowed to marry isn't that better?
Explore these & get back to me. xo
Jeff Chu: Does Jesus Really Love Me? A Gay Christian’s Search for God in America
Rev. Emmy Kegler: One Coin Found: How God’s Love Stretches to the Margins
Matthew Vines: God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships
Dr. David P. Gushee: Changing Our Minds
Vicky Beeching: Undivided: Coming Out, Becoming Whole, and Living Free from Shame
The Bible was written by MAN. We have no proof that they heard the word of God of what is written in the Bible. Unless God has come down and told you personally that these people loving who they love (and not hurting you in any way) is a sin, I'm not gonna take the word of the Bible (which also has so many barbaric things).
@@bluemaverick5641 No, we have all fallen short from the glory of God! Exactly, we should believe in Christ and follow His ways! The thing that I am not understanding is, why some gay people think they are an exception to God's Word..... we are ALL in the same sinful boat! Neither the adulterers, nor the fornicators, nor the sexually immoral, etc will inherit the Kingdom of God! Period. No sin is above the other. So a straight fornicator is just as sinful to God as a gay person, in His eyes. How can one identify as a sin? If God is righteous and despises sin, how can one identify as a sin? If I introduce myself.... and I say, "Hi, I'm a Christian and I'm a murderer. Hi, I'm a Christian and I'm a prostitute, Hi I'm a Christian and I'm a robber.... people would look at me like I'm crazy, but Hi I'm a Christian and I'm gay is okay? and Hi I'm a Christian I'm a perpetual fornicator and will never turn away from fornication ever isn't? We are ALL called to turn away from our sin, that is my entire point. Gay, straight, old, young, we are all called to turn away from our sin. How can gay people be brought closer to God by being allowed to marry? If he says the act of homosexuality is an abomination, and God Himself is righteous and Holy, how can the celebration of a sin bring them closer to Him? Unless they are numb and have no convictions or lukewarm, they will feel very far distant from Him. Our lives are not comprised of us constantly thinking, "Oh, how can I not sin today" Once we are transformed by God and His word, we naturally stray away from our fleshly desires. It happens overtime. We are not called to lives of complacency.
I would never give Jackie any hate. But I pity her. I feel sorry for her that she feels she has to deny a huge of part of herself and live a lie. I feel sorry for her and her husband because they are in a loveless marriage with with no sexual attraction or lust.
Jesus actually calls his followers to deny themselves in Matthew 16:24: "Then Jesus told his disciples, 'If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.'" Just something to think about. :)
They are one of my favourite couples. They have beautiful children and a real heart for God and one another.
bajbhdkn woah you’re making A LOT of assumptions, and your assumptions are largely false. Maybe you should do your research and listen to her podcast
Part of a christians walk will be suffering for our faith and dying to ourselves Daily. This is internal as well as external please Don’t forget jesus is the author and finisher of our faith we want HIM to dictate our lives not the other way around
Creativity Unbound Jesus wasn’t the author. He was dead!
This is awesome. They both serve God(who is a personal God) in their own ways, and I think that's beautiful. I love the open dialogue between the two and seeing the parallels and similarities in their views.
I love Grace! Thank you for featuring her💕
When you become a born again and the holy spirit starts living in you, sin becomes a foreign territory. When temptation comes you find yourself acting/responding to it differently than when you were in the world. Just like Jackie said you do it because you love God. Please let's try to read the word with the true holy spirit of God 🙌.
i am so thankful that you always look to inspire, open a dialog and learn together with the GodIsGray community! i‘m so happy to have found your videos and be inspired by your beautiful faith💜 bless
I am continually blown away by your grace and the love that you have for people. Thank you for making such authentic and intentional videos.
PODCAST INTERVIEW WITH GRACE PLEASE
Like so many others, I've been struggling with my faith and sexuality for the past three years. Your videos have helped me so much on my journey to figure out my relationship with God. Thank you so much for all the time and research you put into these videos, God Bless you!
@Mellissa Black I said this a year ago and have since been made aware of the religious trauma I've suffered, so thanks but no thanks lol
Thanks hon....once again, top notch. The one thing that unites us all here, is our love for God; may it ever be so.
God doesn't make you SSA. Sin is what makes one SSA. And this is in the bible, the same bible that you choose what you choose to believe. When you have your own agenda you will choose to interpret and believe what you choose to believe. But what does the bible say about it? What does God say about it? May you seek Christ with a humble heart and a sober mind.
Did you not listen to what she said? The Bible today is already an interpretation of what it used to be. Many words cannot be translated anymore because their meaning has been lost. So what authority have over that?
I would love to hear/see a discussion between you and Jackie Hill Perry. Have you reached out to her to see if she’d be open to that?
Brenda’s response kind of gives me the impression that Grace has sufficiently addressed all of Brenda’s concerns about Jackie’s position, though I could be wrong.
YourCreativeDreamer Makes sense. Though I do think a discussion between Brenda and Jackie that allows Jackie to go more in-depth about her views on this issue would be really, really interesting :)
*I like how Jackie says God calls us to Him and holiness, not to be straight. I also love how she says her marriage doesn't make her holy or save her. Especially for me personally I grew up in a culture where marriage is kind of the end all/ultimate goal. I thought this video was put respectfully, that "Diabolos" was interesting too. Although we must remember to seek what God says about truth and who we are, not what is common in culture today. I thought the ending was beautiful, them in church and hugging each other. God is a God of unity* :) James 4:12
I'm not asking this question out of disrespect, just curiosity but if Jackie is still attracted to girls yet she has a husband doesn't that make it unfair on her husband because she's only (I assume) romantically attracted to him rather than sexually? And if she's still attracted to same sex but she just has a husband doesn't that still mean that she has that 'sin' in heart, she's just acting on it. I'm not trying to disrespect anyone and I may have just missed something out in the video but I'd be grateful if someone could kindly answer my questions
People can say many things. I can say "I am a beluga whale from the Dead Sea," but does that make it true? Lots of people commit so something, and when it doesn't work or it damages their mental health, they lie and say it does. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes.
God I hope, for her sake, that she's happy.
All on this Video is about feelings. Where is the Bible? The foundation of Christianity isn’t the bible? I respect all the opinions, but Bible is the authority of my life.
I can't imagine that God would make some one gay and then expect them to marry someone of another gender. I have always been of the opinion that because God created all of nature, going against nature is a sin.
I've come across one of your videos today, and watched three so far. Thank you, thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart. I am a Christian - lesbian - happily married woman. And honestly yes, as it happens occasionally - have been struggling lately with my faith and if God really loves me as I am. Throughout all of your videos, you have made me want to open my bible again and read. To open my heart and my mind and understand things in a different manner. Instead of opening the bible and hating the things that I read (like scary stories of rape, "homosexuality" etc.. The fact that you're flooding my heart to open my bible again and not be scared of my faith - THAT is LOVE. Thank you
Sometimes I feel sooo uncomfortable with what is being preached to me and then all I want to do is walk in love with everybody including the lgbtq community. I love your videos it helps me become more closer to God and taught me how to look for answers instead of relying so heavily on someone else. I'm still sorting through. What my morals are and me theology and i am so sure that the grace and love of God is all encompassing thank you for reminding me of that Brenda!
We are called to walk in love with everyone and correct in love as well. The Truth is the Truth no matter who knows it... and there can only be one Absolute truth. Everything else is deception. So if one person says he/she is a gay Christian and the Bible calls homosexuality along with a multitude of other things a sin, either the person or the Bible is wrong... it's crystal clear. Just as straight people fornicating is an abomination... it's crystal clear.
Sorry for the dumb comment but those girls are soooo beautiful😍
Sara that isn’t dumb. That’s a nice thing to say about someone.
Godisgrey i am one of the gay one's that are praying god still loves them
God loves you, just repent and follow Jesus
God is grey?? This doesnt sound right...God is transparent and HE is what He says He is and doesn't change his ways.
I don't think it refers to how God defines himself. God IS transparent. What is grey is our individual perspectives of him. Everyone has a different perception of God. Our knowledge of him isn't perfect and nowhere near enough to see ALL of him. So I believe that it means that everyone's perception is different, and that that is what can average to the masses to think that God is more grey than transparent to us because of how little we know about him and how people can sometimes refuse to discover him for themselves.
I hope that makes sense ^_^
Another fantastic video on gay Christianity, Brenda! Thank you for your well-researched, lovingly presented videos.
I’m especially glad you addressed the “ex-gay” label placed on Jackie Hill-Perry by mainstream Christianity. She’s not ex-gay; by her own admission, she is still attracted to women. Since she is (apparently happily?) married to a man, I would consider her bisexual, not lesbian, which matters, because it paints an unrealistic picture that gay women can just suck it up and marry a man if they “love God enough”. Just as Grace Baldridge said, the side of Christianity JH-P stands with is still very damaging to those of us who fall far to the homosexual end of the Kinsey scale and want to serve God.
For me, and maybe for a lot of gay Christians, I either marry a woman (or man if you’re a guy) or I remain single. There is no other alternative. And the concept of being gay and being holy are not polar opposites, nor are they mutually exclusive! They can, and do, go hand in hand. We are all fearfully and wonderfully made and capable of serving God no matter our sexuality.
I was in a very bad position about God and religion before I find your channel, I love God so much, but I was feeling so confuse about Him because of things that religion makes us believe, that I never truly believed were God things, I feel so good to see christian people talking about the lgbtq and God, this is making me so so so happy! Thank you so much!! I would love to know your opinion about transgender people too
You don't have to be in a religion to follow Jesus! When Jesus walked in our world there was no Catholic church, Protestants, Methodist, or Lutherans, only followers of Christ. You can read the Bible yourself and decide what you believe. I recommend people start with the gospel of John.
Thank you for your videos! I love seeing your perspectives
I think rather than us trying to define who is a Christian, we should study what the bible says. We might be VERY surprised about who God says will inherit the kingdom of God. Certain things just are sins no matter how natural they feel. If we are comfortable with living a life of sin but trying to claim we love God, the word of God says that we are liars and the truth is NOT in us. I love my friends who identify as gay and we have a great relationship but I will never distort the word of God in order to be accepted or make people feel at ease. Jesus’ gospel is very radical. he came to divide with the word of truth and he told us people wouldn’t like it and would make up new gospels to suit their own needs. Please people read your bibles and don’t be conformed to the world Romans 12:2
God I love how you face mistakes with such positivity and grace.
Wonderful video! You, Jackie, and Grace are so inspiring for different, beautiful reasons! I believe more along the line of what you and Grace believe but I still 100% respect where Jackie is coming from. Your videos make me so happy and hopeful. You inspire me to do better and to be better! God bless you and your mission.
I SO appreciate how you truly respect each individuals story and viewpoint. Thank you for sharing this. Your videos have really helped me in my journey of holding on to my faith in the midst of coming out in a Christian family and environment.
I used to be completely agnostic and really averse to Christian channels like this because how toxic they were but you have just completely proved me wrong and left me open to believing thank you 😊
Thank you Brenda! As usual you never fail to inspire me to be a better person and a better Christian.
Jackie Hill Perry was crystal with what she was saying and did not sugar coat this and personally I feel like there's a lot of sugar coatiing going on the comment section or even the video itself which is a risky doctrine to a saint who might watch this and is going through troubles of sexuality. Jackie, in the original video was reflecting total surrender! which means it don't matter how you feel about sex or what you feel towards a gender but it's about you serving God and by serving Him everything about sex is DEFINED IN HIS TERMS!!! and His terms of sexuality are defined in scripture Genesis chapter 2&3!
Thank you for covering this! I'm no longer a Christian myself but I just love your videos and your podcast! Keep up the good work :)
Jesus saves
GiG: maybe you could do a video with Jimmy Snow on the curse of conversion therapy in the Mormon cult as well as in mainstream Christianity.
Thank you for that I've been telling people to love the gay people and respect them but they all think I want to be like them what should I do
I love you, Brenda ❤️❤️❤️ As a Catholic, I love the Episcopalian Church. That church is so loving and open minded. I think that Jackie is in an interesting position and I loved seeing Grace and her have different perspectives but still be able to have a conversation ❤️
And YASSS CORRECT BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION IS EVERYTHING 💕💕💕💕
Verity Farseer ah yeah 😎
Again, Brenda, very well researched and presented! Cooking with Love is one of the characteristics ascribed to the best chefs. I would say that you Vlog with love! It is so apparent! Maybe it's even more accurate to say that you don't Vlog God Is Grey. God Is Grey vlogs you!
God calls us to holiness first. Grey is not an attribute of God. Holy is an attribute of God. God would rather have remain single and celibate lives than live in homosexual (or sexually immoral, sex outside of marriage) relationships that leave us at risk of losing eternal life.
Life is short--100 years or so, tops. Eternity is long, endless. God calls us to enduring, persevering trust in Him. That does not include living in homosexual relationships.
Losing eternal life is sooooo much more hurtful to the LGBTQ community than not affirming their same-sex relationships. The most important resource is Scripture. We turn away from Scripture towards other "affirming" resources because they tell us what we want to hear. But there is only one Truth. And it is found in God's word.
God does not affirm same-sex relationships. But Christ died for us all so that by His Spirit, we could live lives that honor him, even if it means lives of abstinence and sacrifice. But we can endure the sacrifice because we have an eternal joy set before us, and no fleeting relationship is worth losing that.
Beautifully presented, always a blessing to see two disagreeing parties interact with Grace for one another
Just subscribed to the God is grey podcast!! ☺️