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kind of a shame we never got to see the logical evolution of the railgun turrets. As in larger caliber, single shot weapons that smack solid metal lumps clean through a wraith cruiser, and at least fairly deep into a hive ship. The asgard beams are cool and all, but there was lots of room for those earth weapons to grow as well
The Agard weapons made more sense. They were more powerful, and great all-rounders (they could easily penetrate shields, which tail guns apparently couldn’t do so well).
Agreed. The Asgard beam weapon should have had some drawback such as taking a lot of power and requiring a ZPM or long recharge time so that they couldn't be used for every situation. Then it would incentivise them to further develop the rail guns and missiles. Rail guns that actually pose a threat to the hives and cruisers would be cool
Interesting ideas, aye. Instead, they made the ships just "as strong as the plot fit" as when Carter's ship was defeated soooo freaking easily. Have a cool down and bam, makes more sense.
Why? Mac rounds would do nothing. One big solid slug, you have to be precise with, that would do little to shielded ships. Nah dude, don't want to see halo stuff in Stargate. The Mac's on halo ships were made in a time where it was human ship on human ship, no shields. In that sense (and given the unsc's secondary gaus guns and point defense are nowhere in the same league as the 304s rail guns, which were designed by the asgard) a Mac canon is a fine weapon. But the difference in technology in Stargate (the ships the 304's are up against) is massive. When the 304's were given the rail guns, they were given shields by the Asgard as well. Each human ship carries at least 8 naquadah enhanced nukes that are about a gigaton a piece, and at least one gate buster, that is a multi gigaton warhead. And other regular missiles. These warheads were used along with the rail guns, which can fire at a constant rate of 300 rounds per minute, to bring down hatak shields. The rail guns are not as powerful as the plasma weapons of the hataks, but the Asgard shielding is better, and that was the offset. The Asgard gave us a weapon we could maintain and understand, and would have little problem with supply chains etc. There are 32 turrets on each ship, we don't know what rounds they fire (I'm guessing a naquada trinium alloy, which would make those rounds insane) but their fire rate puts constant pressure on the shields. Each hatak (which if we are going by power) is capable of taking a giagton nuke, a direct hit to its shields like it was nothing. There is nothing a Mac round would do to a hatak, let alone ships with with better shield tech. The tauri rail guns were barely enough to do anything and they were designed by one of the five races. Halo Mac's wouldn't do anything, and wraith hives are over 7km in length and their hulls take plasma rounds and regenerate fast as hell, I doubt a Mac round would do much damage at all. They would be out of place.
"Let's fly our hive so close to the other hive that if they explode, it will destroy us as well." "Brilliant idea. It seems like the other hive's commander thinks so as well." Later: "Now that we're attacking each other, let's stay in this formation ensuring that no matter which hive is destroyed first, we will all die no matter what." "Even brillianter idea!"
The first half is actually a smart tactic, in theory as mutually assured destruction would be a deterrent from attacking to most people. But the wraith are like "fuck it, out with a bang" 😂
At the time they were on the same side there was no need to take that into consideration as together their combined firepower should have easily over powered the tauri
I'd say sticking close would be a good strategy, as they could abandon ship to the other hive if it was disabled and also use a disabled hive as cover. I think one ship had the transport jammer technology too, so they needed to stick close for the jammer to work for both ships.
If Weir had a penny for every time Shepard was assumed dead after destroying a Hive Ship, she would have 2 cents. And while that isn't a lot, it is still wierd it happened twice. Thus far.
The Wraith weapons are really powerful. They destroyed another Hive within seconds at point blank range, while the Deadalus shields were able to hold up for quite some time. Maybe they should consider mounting some of those weapons on their ships.
he had prior experience flying a dart with mckay interfacing it to a tablet but it seems a stretch to be able to read the outputs on the dart's screens
@@theodoreeliaseronsten5468 Ya no matter who you are, those screens are silly. Being able to actually see where you're going in a small craft is far superior than a totally dark canopy lol. Obviously in space you'd need a heads up display of some kind since you're talking about vast distances etc but..........how do you get out of the docking bay? By the time you read the information you've already crashed. Silliness.
How nice of the Wraith to make their fighter craft user-friendly for anyone who might steal one. I mean even the Ancients introduced safeguards to prevent aliens casually making off with their Puddle Jumpers and city-ships.
And why don't alien ships (also in Independence Day) some kind of ID? They happily trust any fighter and bringt it in instead of wondering "hey, this is very old and used by another queen's drones"
@@StYxXx Technically a lot of our ships and aircraft these days don't have an ID system either. Doesn't mean any ordinary person can fly an aircraft or control an aircraft carrier if they manage to steal the "keys" but it's not like we have biometric locks on these things either.
It is way too old now. But I came across a comment in another clip saying that after they ended the series, the actor who played Shepherd tried to get the rights to keep producing it independently. Apparently a leadership change scuttled the idea though.
I think at that point they'd make a new class of warships for all the weapons. The Daedalus is a deep space carrier/battle cruiser so it's not particularly meant for heavy combat. I'm sure Earth would eventually build larger classes of ships like heavy dreadnaughts designed solely for heavy space combat.
Something I wish they did in the show is beam the warhead missiles as close as possible in the direction not blocked by darts. Like imagine a sphere of nukes aiming inward toward the hive.
I never understood why they didn't just transport the nukes close to the hives and engaged the engines as close as possible, it would increase the chance of a hit more than just launching them from like 1000km.
Hive are massive. Darts looks like ants compared to it. Yet, Rodney, from afar, from the daedalus being attacked by both Hives, is able to see that dart tickling one hive. Story dramatization or fan service, whatever, just funny to see that Rodney looks more like superman.
I wonder how far the jamming extended on Wraith ships. Maybe they could have beamed a nuke either side of the hive ships a few hundred meters off their side... if they went off together the tumult of being in the middle of two simultanious nuclear blasts might have cooked off the ship?
@@Mogsy28uk no, it's very empty. You can't easily transfer heat off to the empty space. Infrared radiation only. Heat build up is a genuine problem for ISS and space suits.
and until they got there hands on some beam weapons all the tauri ships could do was sit there and take a beating. They really had very little offensive capability.
They had to bypass the swarms that were in the way of missiles being launched. The Asgard realized this as the penetration of their weapons in short range were needed in space more than they could ever have anticipated.
@@icer1249 the projectiles they used were not energy based, but the combat of fighters was an issue they countered with those small fighters. Big ships had been equipped with auto destruction, but there was a size and hull density issue that made the rail-guns ineffective against the larger ships. The nukes could do it but needed defensive fire constantly to protect the warhead from blowing up early. Sheppard had suggested bypassing all those fighters with the as-guard on board seeing it. It didn’t like the idea, but the ship captain said there was no alternative to get those warheads close to the ships. They didn’t know about the infighting and the danger of humans working with wraith until later. That as-guard really saw how hard it was to maintain their advantage like during the replicator war. Until he learned that there were more in the Pegasus galaxy that were made from ancients directly, they thought they could handle with that strategy until they could use the ground tech which proved useless against the replicators of Pegasus ancient design. They noted the tauri were backed into a corner without any survivors like them.
@Debbie Bernhardt sorry but it sounds like your using bits and pieces of the show to make up a bunch of random information. 90% of what you said is gibberish. The Asgard had nothing to do with the tauri ships weapons they used nor did they influence any decisions the tauri made about there weapons. The only impact the Asgard had was half an episode of turning the transporter into a weapon which the wraith countered. I don't know what the replicator war has to do with it nor where you got the idea of the ancients creating the Asgard?
@@icer1249 I was referring to the rouge as guard in Atlantis series and the episode with replicator human form found to make those bugs. Only the ancients who built the nano machine could of been able to recreate it in Milky Way. Edit: ancients didn’t directly make them. But the ancients were very stupid for their plot details.
Going off the SGC Fandom Wiki, 500 rounds a minute with 32 Railguns across the hull of the ship (likely not all can be brought to bare at the same target) Going off the visuals at 0:32 they look to be firing in batteries of 2 with 4 batteries Which would pull together as 4,000 rounds a minute being brought to bare (and 2k per ship)
Well if it was realistic you wouldn't need to see fighting would be beyond visual range not point blank dog fights. Even today fights in air/sea are missiles at ranges longer than these space battles.
Always anoy's me when ships with shields holding has explotion effect inside ship .... if the shield blocked it ALL (since it still has charge) .. then there shouldn be any explotion. Unless weapons hitting shields are able to peneltrate for whatever reason. I would even say it shouldn shake either. Shields tends to be a bubble around ships, not touching hauls at all. I guess its for dramatic effect , still makes zero sence to me. So many movies/series does it sadly :(
The shields are directly absorbing the hits to the ship but there is still a bleedthrough effect where the shield can't handle all the energy it's being hit with and has to divert it elsewhere causing overloads and small explosions throughout the ship.
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kind of a shame we never got to see the logical evolution of the railgun turrets. As in larger caliber, single shot weapons that smack solid metal lumps clean through a wraith cruiser, and at least fairly deep into a hive ship. The asgard beams are cool and all, but there was lots of room for those earth weapons to grow as well
The Agard weapons made more sense. They were more powerful, and great all-rounders (they could easily penetrate shields, which tail guns apparently couldn’t do so well).
Agreed. The Asgard beam weapon should have had some drawback such as taking a lot of power and requiring a ZPM or long recharge time so that they couldn't be used for every situation. Then it would incentivise them to further develop the rail guns and missiles. Rail guns that actually pose a threat to the hives and cruisers would be cool
That would be the MAC cannons from the Halo Franchise.
Interesting ideas, aye. Instead, they made the ships just "as strong as the plot fit" as when Carter's ship was defeated soooo freaking easily.
Have a cool down and bam, makes more sense.
Why? Mac rounds would do nothing. One big solid slug, you have to be precise with, that would do little to shielded ships. Nah dude, don't want to see halo stuff in Stargate. The Mac's on halo ships were made in a time where it was human ship on human ship, no shields. In that sense (and given the unsc's secondary gaus guns and point defense are nowhere in the same league as the 304s rail guns, which were designed by the asgard) a Mac canon is a fine weapon. But the difference in technology in Stargate (the ships the 304's are up against) is massive.
When the 304's were given the rail guns, they were given shields by the Asgard as well. Each human ship carries at least 8 naquadah enhanced nukes that are about a gigaton a piece, and at least one gate buster, that is a multi gigaton warhead. And other regular missiles. These warheads were used along with the rail guns, which can fire at a constant rate of 300 rounds per minute, to bring down hatak shields. The rail guns are not as powerful as the plasma weapons of the hataks, but the Asgard shielding is better, and that was the offset. The Asgard gave us a weapon we could maintain and understand, and would have little problem with supply chains etc. There are 32 turrets on each ship, we don't know what rounds they fire (I'm guessing a naquada trinium alloy, which would make those rounds insane) but their fire rate puts constant pressure on the shields.
Each hatak (which if we are going by power) is capable of taking a giagton nuke, a direct hit to its shields like it was nothing.
There is nothing a Mac round would do to a hatak, let alone ships with with better shield tech. The tauri rail guns were barely enough to do anything and they were designed by one of the five races. Halo Mac's wouldn't do anything, and wraith hives are over 7km in length and their hulls take plasma rounds and regenerate fast as hell, I doubt a Mac round would do much damage at all. They would be out of place.
"Let's fly our hive so close to the other hive that if they explode, it will destroy us as well."
"Brilliant idea. It seems like the other hive's commander thinks so as well."
Later:
"Now that we're attacking each other, let's stay in this formation ensuring that no matter which hive is destroyed first, we will all die no matter what."
"Even brillianter idea!"
The first half is actually a smart tactic, in theory as mutually assured destruction would be a deterrent from attacking to most people. But the wraith are like "fuck it, out with a bang" 😂
At the time they were on the same side there was no need to take that into consideration as together their combined firepower should have easily over powered the tauri
I'd say sticking close would be a good strategy, as they could abandon ship to the other hive if it was disabled and also use a disabled hive as cover. I think one ship had the transport jammer technology too, so they needed to stick close for the jammer to work for both ships.
I love the Wraith Dart sound effects. Such a cool sound. Like a weed whacker and zipper but.... not annoying.
Always thought this too, such a cool sound.
If Weir had a penny for every time Shepard was assumed dead after destroying a Hive Ship, she would have 2 cents.
And while that isn't a lot, it is still wierd it happened twice. Thus far.
only twice?!
@@auquitaine9201 its like 3 or 4 times with weir, and another 12-14 after weir
How much penny is a cent anyway?
@@PaiSAMSEN It is not a lot either way. Just weird that it happened so often.
A very different moment for sure, changing our perception of the Wraith forever.
2:01 McKay, “Clever Shepard!”
I love how the human rail guns looks !
the Daedalus: fires all railguns at the hive ships
the Hive Ships: ooohh that tickles..!
"Polarize the hull."
Shepard, “Plan B 1:10.”
Over time, it can start to wear on the Hull. Rail guns are better at defense against fighter craft than offense against mother ships or capital ships.
It causes hull breakdown of sections. Forcing a seal of that section.
@@podsmpsg1 I always thought they should have a large one centerline. Like a MAC Cannon in Halo universe. But, they went down the beam path.
The Wraith weapons are really powerful. They destroyed another Hive within seconds at point blank range, while the Deadalus shields were able to hold up for quite some time. Maybe they should consider mounting some of those weapons on their ships.
They are organic, plus the tech super large.
It demonstrates the sturdiness of Asgard shields; their defensive technology isn't quite "Ancient-grade", but it's still respectable.
@@Ragitsu Chopper, “Good thing there were not more super hives.
The Shields on the Daedulas are Asgard. Asgard shields are among the most most advanced, they can take a lot of punishment.
@@Ragitsu Hive ships don't have shields.
I think the Wraith capital ship weapon fire sound is my favorite sound in Stargate.
I couldn't make any sense really of the wraith dart screens. I am amazed Shepherd was able to sort it out on such short notice.
he had prior experience flying a dart with mckay interfacing it to a tablet but it seems a stretch to be able to read the outputs on the dart's screens
@@theodoreeliaseronsten5468 he was dealing with it from an interface info he first got.
@@theodoreeliaseronsten5468 Ya no matter who you are, those screens are silly. Being able to actually see where you're going in a small craft is far superior than a totally dark canopy lol. Obviously in space you'd need a heads up display of some kind since you're talking about vast distances etc but..........how do you get out of the docking bay? By the time you read the information you've already crashed. Silliness.
its called instrument flight
And that's brilliance! Way to go Shephard! 😅☺
i always love the sound of Daedalus ships
They always had such a cool hum sound for their engines
@@Generalkidd yup.. different from other SciFi
Of course we must ignore that sound does not travel in space...
3:21 Weir worried she isn't going to get her regular 'sheppard-ing' tonight. 😊
You think they banged every once in a while?
1:35, just awesome 😄
Every time I hear Shepard I think of mass effect
How nice of the Wraith to make their fighter craft user-friendly for anyone who might steal one. I mean even the Ancients introduced safeguards to prevent aliens casually making off with their Puddle Jumpers and city-ships.
It took shepard like 2 weeks to learn how to fly it, in this episode
@@xolotlnephthys The power of the montage was on his side.
And why don't alien ships (also in Independence Day) some kind of ID? They happily trust any fighter and bringt it in instead of wondering "hey, this is very old and used by another queen's drones"
@@StYxXx Technically a lot of our ships and aircraft these days don't have an ID system either. Doesn't mean any ordinary person can fly an aircraft or control an aircraft carrier if they manage to steal the "keys" but it's not like we have biometric locks on these things either.
i dont see the point in doing that, the ancients were the only enemy and have better tech, so why bother put security?
Anyone else notice at the moment of detonation, there was the initial sound of a ring platform activating?
This is like DOOM when you get weapons fire from one monster to hit another and then they turn on each other.
Interesting is that Caldwell says "Max power" whereas other Captains of the various Earth ships say "Shields to maximum!".
Other Earth ship captains say things like "Fire on that ship" But but Caldwell orders his weapons office to "make that ship go away".
Well he was a Goa`uld at the time.
Stargate Atlantis need new Seasons 😭❤
It is way too old now. But I came across a comment in another clip saying that after they ended the series, the actor who played Shepherd tried to get the rights to keep producing it independently. Apparently a leadership change scuttled the idea though.
I always imagined that eventually all Earth ships would have the beam weapons, railguns and drones. And probably still have nukes.
I think at that point they'd make a new class of warships for all the weapons. The Daedalus is a deep space carrier/battle cruiser so it's not particularly meant for heavy combat. I'm sure Earth would eventually build larger classes of ships like heavy dreadnaughts designed solely for heavy space combat.
Something I wish they did in the show is beam the warhead missiles as close as possible in the direction not blocked by darts.
Like imagine a sphere of nukes aiming inward toward the hive.
Real shame this series was cancelled. Was sooooooo much better than Stargate Universe
3:00 goosebump soundtrack
Doesn't Sheppard gate in like five seconds after this?
Yes, he had fled to the planet right afterwords, because the explosion damage was big enough to kill darts.
I never understood why they didn't just transport the nukes close to the hives and engaged the engines as close as possible, it would increase the chance of a hit more than just launching them from like 1000km.
Has the railguns done anything useful? They seem so pitiful.
Cleaning the enemy's hull?
Hive are massive. Darts looks like ants compared to it.
Yet, Rodney, from afar, from the daedalus being attacked by both Hives, is able to see that dart tickling one hive.
Story dramatization or fan service, whatever, just funny to see that Rodney looks more like superman.
The _Daedalus_ indicated the Dart attacking the other Hive; note the yellow circle on the viewscreen.
@@Ragitsu Oh my bad. ty
Always wondered why they never added go'auld weaponry in additition to the rail guns?
Indeed. Especially on the F-302s, even one staff canon weapon would be useful after the missiles and railguns were expended.
They need to make that ship bigger
I wonder how far the jamming extended on Wraith ships. Maybe they could have beamed a nuke either side of the hive ships a few hundred meters off their side... if they went off together the tumult of being in the middle of two simultanious nuclear blasts might have cooked off the ship?
Cool, didn't expect a great space war from sg1...
Better than star wars fights
Ah Wraiths, so easy to manipulate.
I'm looking forward to stargate discovery
How they cool the rail guns in space is beyond me, especially at that rate of fire.
space is very cold..... 🥶
@@Mogsy28uk no, it's very empty. You can't easily transfer heat off to the empty space. Infrared radiation only. Heat build up is a genuine problem for ISS and space suits.
Mmmmhhhhh built in cooling methods perhaps???
At the end, the soundtrack almost sounded like Metroid Prime 3.
yeah, Elysium sky city vibes.
pew, pew! pew! pew, pew, pew!
and until they got there hands on some beam weapons all the tauri ships could do was sit there and take a beating. They really had very little offensive capability.
They had to bypass the swarms that were in the way of missiles being launched. The Asgard realized this as the penetration of their weapons in short range were needed in space more than they could ever have anticipated.
@@debbiebernhardt5406 what are you talking about?
@@icer1249 the projectiles they used were not energy based, but the combat of fighters was an issue they countered with those small fighters. Big ships had been equipped with auto destruction, but there was a size and hull density issue that made the rail-guns ineffective against the larger ships. The nukes could do it but needed defensive fire constantly to protect the warhead from blowing up early. Sheppard had suggested bypassing all those fighters with the as-guard on board seeing it. It didn’t like the idea, but the ship captain said there was no alternative to get those warheads close to the ships. They didn’t know about the infighting and the danger of humans working with wraith until later. That as-guard really saw how hard it was to maintain their advantage like during the replicator war. Until he learned that there were more in the Pegasus galaxy that were made from ancients directly, they thought they could handle with that strategy until they could use the ground tech which proved useless against the replicators of Pegasus ancient design. They noted the tauri were backed into a corner without any survivors like them.
@Debbie Bernhardt sorry but it sounds like your using bits and pieces of the show to make up a bunch of random information. 90% of what you said is gibberish.
The Asgard had nothing to do with the tauri ships weapons they used nor did they influence any decisions the tauri made about there weapons. The only impact the Asgard had was half an episode of turning the transporter into a weapon which the wraith countered. I don't know what the replicator war has to do with it nor where you got the idea of the ancients creating the Asgard?
@@icer1249 I was referring to the rouge as guard in Atlantis series and the episode with replicator human form found to make those bugs. Only the ancients who built the nano machine could of been able to recreate it in Milky Way.
Edit: ancients didn’t directly make them. But the ancients were very stupid for their plot details.
Sheppard 😂
How fast can the rail guns on the Daedulas fire?.
Going off the SGC Fandom Wiki, 500 rounds a minute with 32 Railguns across the hull of the ship (likely not all can be brought to bare at the same target)
Going off the visuals at 0:32 they look to be firing in batteries of 2 with 4 batteries
Which would pull together as 4,000 rounds a minute being brought to bare (and 2k per ship)
@@LordKallig Wow. Pretty fast.
Horrible view in wraith cockpit lol. Can't see anything compared to being in a F302
Well if it was realistic you wouldn't need to see fighting would be beyond visual range not point blank dog fights. Even today fights in air/sea are missiles at ranges longer than these space battles.
@@kommodore6691 true, like he was maneuvering around like he could see outside lol
Probably intentional, so that any human trying to steal a dart would not be able to fly it on the spot.
Always anoy's me when ships with shields holding has explotion effect inside ship .... if the shield blocked it ALL (since it still has charge) .. then there shouldn be any explotion.
Unless weapons hitting shields are able to peneltrate for whatever reason. I would even say it shouldn shake either. Shields tends to be a bubble around ships, not touching hauls at all.
I guess its for dramatic effect , still makes zero sence to me. So many movies/series does it sadly :(
The shields are directly absorbing the hits to the ship but there is still a bleedthrough effect where the shield can't handle all the energy it's being hit with and has to divert it elsewhere causing overloads and small explosions throughout the ship.
Whats the episode name?
"The Hive" (it's in the video title).
Good thing communication between two Ship don't exist Lol.
Wow
Shouldn't shields always be at max anyway, although he probably just likes saying it coz it sounds cool 😎
Bluebrixx do stargate now, 🎉
Star Trek Atlantis
Startrek fans, always looking to link their universe to something....better.
So the ancients were stupid
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still prefer original wier
Blonde Weir?
The Wraith were such a dull, boring and weak antagonist.
The writers kept trying to save them but utterly failed.
Awesome Zephyr.
wow that's a lot of bad CGI
Not at the time, and not considering the budget.
so how exactly Shephard survived? I forgot that part
Instead of rail guns they should have retrofitted the ship with Goa'uld energy weapons