Pastor Murders 'Sister Wife' Surrogate Before Taking Their Daughter | James Flanders & Marie Carlson
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- Опубліковано 17 лис 2023
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze case of James Flanders and Marie Carlson?
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That awkward moment when you offer a deal to a cold-blooded murderer that ensures he will be able to walk the streets again in exchange for him telling you he buried the body in the place you just finished searching. Absurdly incompetent law enforcement on full display, once again.
Mind-blowing, isn't it?
Plea deals should be off the table!
@stacey821 are you saying you don't think plea deals should ever be offered? Or just in this case?
In the UK they do exactly the opposite. No question of parole if a murderer won't disclose where the body is.
@@Gina19876Plea Deals (i.e. like the one in this case) are for the grieving friends & families… So that they can put their loved one to rest. Plea deals can & will be made and adhered to ONLY if the “Defendant/Criminal/SuckF-!-k” fulfills their end of agreement. 🙄🤦🏻♀️
Why wouldn’t Marie’s infant go to her family rather than the non biological wife of her killer .. makes no sense .. I wish our laws were fair and consistent.. he should’ve gotten longer sentence .
Do we know anything about her family? Maybe there were reasons to not give them custody.
I wondered this myself. How did she get custody? And how are you going to explain this to Gracie when she’s older? And are they still married?
When Dr. Grande said, the police were sure her body was not in the backyard, I knew that's where it would be found.
🤣🤣
Same here. The fact they didn't find her the first time shows their incompetence. I've seen the backyard in a diff video on this case, not like it's giant. Maybe law enforcement thought it would just be too obvious if it was there, as if that too good to be true, too easy to find and and that James wouldn't be that dumb, so they gave just a half ass attempt just to clear that lead. 😂
I have been involved with the Church world my entire life. I have learned that the devil runs wild there just as much (if not more) than he does everywhere else on the earth. Thank you again Dr. Grande 🙏
Amen!
“If she was willing to have sexual relations with James, she clearly had very low standards, “ .
Amen to that!
Exactly. Fantasizing about having sexual relations with a married individual is very immoral.
I laughed so hard when he said that. I love Dr. Grande's remarks ,he teaches us in intellectual way with a little sarcasm too. 😂😂
@@kyleboulanger170 Amen to that!
@@ashleysmith5001 - Dr Grande always gets me, too, with his funny sarcasm. Many times, I have laughed some coffee out through my nose, doing a "spit-take" of sudden uncontrollable laughter 😂
@@kyleboulanger170 So many 'godly' folk are so judgey and so firm in telling other people how they should live their lives, yet they are more sordid than I or anyone I know would ever think of being.
It’s a shame that the police didn’t do a more thorough job searching the backyard. He was no better than other killers who get life sentences. He’s even worse because he drew Marie in with his position as a pastor. He should have gotten more time and Marie’s family should have been able to raise Gracie
I agree with you about Gracie.
She made the choice to get involved with him... funny how when woman make bad decisions people are always look to blame a man for it.
@@user-hm4jm1cy7m Both parties can hold percentages of blame in a bad/toxic relationship. However it's overwhelmingly men who murder women. For example 94% of females murdered in Australia were murdered by males.
How did Tanya not notice a 5 foot hole being dug in their back yard?
Well, that is where the koi pond was going to go.😢 or where he was going to plant the tree, or so he could find the gas line, so he could.....
God knows what story he would have tried to sell us.
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@@kathyglass2922or so he could bury a body and the wife knew, i think she knew.
@@vicvega3614That is what I think too.😡
@@blueStarKitt7924 plus his wife has the daughter, so this scumbag will get out and they just go on being parents after murdering the real mom?? 😡🤬😡
@@vicvega3614 On top of this!🤢🤮
How did Tanya get Marie’s daughter!? How is this little girl not with Marie’s family (grandparents, aunts, uncles)? And how creepy that Tanya watched her husband have sex with another woman!
I think Tanya watching her husband and Marie was a lie.
Two years after he murdered Marie he petitioned the Cochise County Superior Court in Arizona to terminate Marie's parental rights. This was a Legal fiasco on many levels. Coast to coast incompetence.
@@blueStarKitt7924 Or she joined in.
“Probably in an effort to make everyone who was watching him physically Ill”😂
This is the second case I’ve heard of where “ground penetrating” tech failed to find a body that was there. The effectiveness of this tech needs to be scrutinized.
Still have to look in the right place
There’s a lot in criminal investigation that isn’t effective. Drug dogs shouldn’t be allowed to be used for probable cause, for one.
@@Ken-fh4jc Of course they should. They are an effective tool.
@It-is-me...Melsie no they are not. They alert when their handler wants them to. Do you know how they are trained? They are also put in harms way working for police. And police should not be allowed to sic them on people. Lethal force is one thing, and for a specific purpose, but police should not ne allowed to hurt you into submission.
I'm confused...so the perpetrator has literally given the police the exact location of the body and they _still_ haven't gone back and recovered it...? How and why?
"They gave him a plea deal, for information they already had..." 😂 This was ridiculous, the state in this case totally dropped the ball. I've seen people convicted for murder on less evidence. He didn't even tell the truth about what really happened. The "bear hug" story isn't believable. He committed murder but only serving 15 yrs. 🙄Thank you for all your hard work, Dr Grande. Your channel has been my favorite since the first video of your's I watched ❤
Yep. He'll be out before the year 2030 and continue to raise the daughter, whose mother he killed, with Tanya Flanders.
Dear Abby years ago in one of her syndicated columns listed the most promiscuous professions.... #1 by far was the CLERGY.....a distant 2nd was Doctors, then Attorneys, then Salesmen...she was spot on...the Jimmy Swaggarts of the world are just the tip of the iceberg...
Dr. G. love your podcasts...best channel by far! Thx
So disappointed
Podcasts? Um why am i just now hearing about this and where can i find them?
Not at all surprising.
Clergy, how to make a career out of bullsh1tery. Lawyers are a notch more moral.
Well God himself had an affair with a married giri in Palestine 2 thousand years ago.
The clergy is just following the example
How could the police screw up a backyard search when its been so fresh.
Dr. Grande is in some way specialized in the analysis of the most impossible persons that this world has to offer, I think. 🙂
He is, truly.
They got personality disorders and he knows them all. The disorders not the perps😂😂😂😂😂❤
Unclear on your post- but yes- he holds a doctorate (Dr.) and hence- certified and licensed to do psychological analysis. He’s quite good isn’t he?!?!
@@anne-marieh6128 I think that the point of her post was to say that he is exceptionally qualified, as an individual specialist, to discuss highly eccentric topics. Simply having an educated paper qualification doesn't explain it. He is exceptional. That is the point.
Dr. Grande knows!
The amount of research, editing, scripting, and time you put into all your videos is phenomenal. Nice to see a channel thats educational and entertaining.
I call bullshit that his wife didn't know anything. He is the kind of guy who had to many people around him to have secrets.
Exactly. But he didn't want her to get convicted and the authorities didn't have enough proof. Lots and lots of guilty people running around in the world.
"Officer, why aren't we prosecuting this man?"
"Sir, I don't think you understand the situation. This one can speak in full sentences. We don't stand a chance!"
- the police, probably
Interesting case Dr. Gande! The fact that she was buried in the backyard where investigators had (supposedly) already searched is absurd. That aspect of this case reminds of another tragic mystery; the unsolved disappearance of Sarah Avon- A child who went missing in Illinois back in 1981. From what I understand, years later someone suspected of involvement in her disappearance actually attempted to make a confession on his deathbed, and included a drawing of his backyard- presumably indicating where Sarah was buried. Sure enough, investigators began excavating a small portion of the site. During this operation neighbors who had lived in the area their entire lives and were very familiar with the area, claimed to have witnessed the suspected killer doing strange renovations in his backyard over the years, and attempted to communicate to the police that they were digging in the wrong place. The neighbors were told to stop interfering. Unfortunately, the little of the yard that the police dug up yielded nothing. And the area of that yard that the neighbors reccomended be searched, still has not been searched. Very frustrating
Wtf is wrong with those police?! If I was the one digging and some neighbors with inside knowledge pointed me in a direction, that's the first place I'd go! Honestly, it kind of sounds like they didn't WANT to find the right spot.. wonder what's going on there? 🤔
I am always listening intently and following the narrative so those little moments of humour tend to catch me off guard lol. That bit where Dr Grande said that, James was putting a show on, ‘probably in an effort to make everyone feel ill’ made me snort my coffee through my nose 😅 You gotta be on guard when watching this channel 😂
He didn’t get a downward departure at his trial but he might get it later. Lol!
Obviously the "falling hug" story was a blatant lie, especially considering his performance in the back yard and asking to be taken out of the country.
I hate hypocrites 🤮
@@delbertgrady413 your reality. I don't humor turds 🤡
@@delbertgrady413 Speak for yourself. Plenty of people are better than that and better than you.
You’re a brilliant, clever man: pumping out these amazing stories, and my coffee is just a little more rich. What a world. Thanks, Dr. Grande!
He’s basically reading Wikipedia and/or news reports verbatim.
@@Ken-fh4jc Women get gooey eyed and infatuated with male counsellors/psychologists.
So who do we suppose gave the police the initial tip about the body being buried in the backyard?
The police should have used a cadaver dog to help them find her body. Cadaver dogs are 95% accurate at their craft; they can also smell remains up to 15-feet underground. These dogs can detect remains up to 30 meters underwater, and sometimes, need just a fraction of a bone or a drop of blood to determine the location of a cadaver.
🐃💩💩💩
Sniffer Dog requires Air for Scent to travel.
Opposite to Nuclear Isotopes 6ft of Water to neutralize the threat
It's good to have the Tools.......Useless when folk don't know how to use!!
Yep. The police were so ignorant to rely on one tool and walk away confident that there was no body there. Even more so foolish of them given they'd received a tip. Mor0ns!
@@It-is-me...MelsieI really wish we knew who sent that tip!! If it wasn't Tanya or what's-his-face, then that means a third person knew about Marie's murder and where she was buried! Ooh, it's gonna bug me now.
It's almost like they didn't want to find her body. Why is anyone's guess.
I used to put ground penetrating radar on my "skeptical but possibly useful" category for investigation tools. Im close to throwing it into the "useless nonsense" category along with the supposed lie detector.
It is but one tool. The police were ignorant fools to rely 100% on something that is not 100% accurate.
There are so many unpredictable tragedies in this world. Thank you for bringing us your even and calm analyses of such cases, Dr. Grande. ❤ Your effort is much appreciated.💯❤
I love Dr. Grande and how his intros and voice are perfectly consistent every single video, it's just calming.
Pretty amusing that the guy's last name is Flanders.
Ned Flanders' secret life
I was looking for this comment. lol
Oh what a tangled web we weave.....
This is one reason I do not belong to any religion. My first reason is that I don't have to "belong" to any type of "religion" to love Jesus Christ & to be saved, nobody does. Religion always causes arguments & even wars. Jesus Christ is a way of life, not about religion. Religion is man-made.
"Choke your way to Heaven series!"... LOL You're too funny Dr. Grande.
The investigators failed Marie horribly
What an ugly creep What a tragedy He took advantage of her because of her disorder He should have been locked up for life-And where were the cadaver dogs ??
Are you saying if he was good looking it would be okey to kill her?
WOW! I'm glad this dude was not the pastor of my church. The elders of that church should have examined that guy a lot more closely.
Oh my god I hope that little girl grace is okay 🥺
I'm wondering how her current "Mom" explains the family situation. That really doesn't bare thinking about.
I wonder what she’s been told. Your Dad killed your Mom and you’re being raised by a totally unrelated person.
About cacti:
I can’t speak for Dr Grande’s affinity for them, but the symbolism of the saguaro is that it’s resilient and adaptable. It can go a long time without water, it’s body and skin are very tender but it has an external boundary (spikes) to protect it from sunburn and from being eaten, and it grows arms as needed to balance itself out and make sure it stays upright.
I wondered about the symbolism, too.
No driver different from Palm trees or Tumble weed.......All require Water.
Free roaming pests in baron waste lands.
However just like Salvia = Hallucinogenic properties
Such a shame he can get out! Thank you Dr. Grande for this information video!
When unbalanced vulnerable people and predators cross paths bad things happen. Pastoring a church doesn't make him a "man of God". Christ himself said false prophets and false.christ would arise.
Maybe Dr. Grande should do a video about why it is so hard for some congregations to accept their pastor has a bad side. And that all the forgiveness in the world won't change him.
🤔Yes.
My partner and I have a drinking game now, every time you say "sex", we take a shot of tequila.
“James put on a little show in the backyard by kneeling and crying on the ground, probably in an effort to make everyone who was watching him… physically ill.” 🤣
Me at Starbucks: I’ll take a Dr. Grande, dirty chai oat milk latte, with 2 pumps of vanilla 😜🤭
Narcissists adore religion
🙊Ah, Dr. Grande's sincere yet deadly humor aka "creepy smile" & "simply a killer & a hypocrite" aka "rules doesn't apply to him".
I moved out of one church as there was a couple of “love-starved” women who wouldn’t stop hitting on me. They eventually compromised a couple of deacons and were part of an embezzlement scheme that also involved the pastor and robbed thousands from the treasury.
As always, thanks, Doc!
Thank you Dr Grande for sharing the stories . Have a great weekend.
"Choke your way to heaven series" - i almost choked on my tiktok hack cinnamon roll! 🤣🤣✌
Doc. Here is my thought. Hell has a special place for that man. Heaven is especially grieved and offended. He better be praying. Jerk. Anyway. As always love ya. Best wishes from Memphis Tennessee.🐈🐾
I can't believe this killer literally got away with murder. It's scary that there are a few stories of Rotten Pastors 😳
There was that one where the Pastor murdered his wife Karri, just because some hoe turned up at his church that he wanted to *bleep*.
This story with Marie really sucks because Marie obviously had low standards, low self esteem and was in a vulnerable position being a single mum turning up at their church. He had a duty of care, failed abysmally at that and then showed that he was just a shallow , narcissistic killer only interested in someones looks and getting a cheap thrill from a f*ck. Not only not a Pastor's bootlace, but not even just a typical bloke thinking with his little head, but actually a cold, calculated killer who had no place preaching spiritual guidance to people. What a shame Marie's family did not get custody of the baby. I hope that the evil Pastor's wife treats that little girl properly given the circumstances 😢
Actually, there are more than a few stories of rotten pastors. ID network had an entire crime series on pastors/rabbis/priests a number of years ago. I'm sure there are more since then.
@@ellen5165What was the show's name, please?
@@LeanneFowler-ms5xc One was called Killer Clergy another was something like Sinister Ministers.
Dear Dr Grande = informative and very enjoyable analysis. Kind regards from Australia.
Oh man Dr Grande’s dry humor was so so good on this case I laughed out loud more than once
🌵 A thrilling Saturday night with my favorite Doctor! 🌵 great dissection of a twisted preacher
I never been this early to one of your videos.. I feel special lol
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I hope NED Flanders doesn't go down this perverted route! "Hi-diddly-ho neighborino!"
Always interesting
Thank you
Its a mad, mad, mad ,mad world..............
A couple of things: how can his wife, Tanya, be completely innocent? She had to at least aided and abetted her husband.
Secondly, I think his sermons must have been fairly shallow, but people were attracted to his charisma. Maybe. I really wonder why some people go to church.
Thirdly, are those cacti candles in the background?
Love the comment about the candles. I had to take a second look. Now I wonder are they?
You just described Joel Osteen
Yes, they are candles shaped like saguro cacti.@@kathyglass2922
When they were first in Arizona, were they in Casa, Grande? 🤔🌵
It was all an immaculate contraption...
Thanks!
Am I missing something? James plea deal was contingent on his revealing the location of Marie’s body yet her body was never found. If he didn’t keep his part of the deal the same had no obligation to keep theirs. The plea deal should have been off the table and he should have been tried for 2nd degree murder and given a life sentence
I really like these programs you have been sending to us lately. I often wonder why people do these things. Evil exists.
Does evil really exist?
Or is it maybe a convenient way of explaining something without having to think more deeply about possible causes?
Isn't Dr Grande trying to offer explanation without resorting to such terms?
He was presenting the choke your way to heaven series.
You have such a dry sense of humour!! 😂
The craziest couple of things to me were: Marie Carlson had a degree in criminal justice and was a former deputy sheriff, yet still fell for all the lies of that creep and even agreed to be his sister wife, incredible. Another crazy fact was she already had a 7-year-old daughter from her first marriage whom she pretty much didn't mind abandoning when she left the Philippines for the United States because she said she just loved traveling so much it was for the best the little girl stayed with her father lol.
How many shirts does doc own? Always looking good.
Love that someone else noticed.
Unsure, but I'm convinced pants aren't part of the look.
It’s really funny that his name is Flanders, like church going neighbor on the Simpsons.
Wait. The pastors name is Flanders? Ahahahahahahaha
Wait what, the wife of the murdered mother is raising the poor child??? WTF? When he's let out are they all going to have x-mas together, be the loving grand parents when she becomes a mother? Is the wife taking the child to prison to meet him? This is so effed up
Tragic that some one with very low standards in almost every important area of life is raising a child.
The wife of the murderer is raising the child as she has since the child was born. The murderer is the biological father of the child. The biological mother is dead, she was the murder victim in this case.
@@janegardener1662 I understand that, but that does not make this ok, this child should have NOTHING to do with these "parents"
This child was conceived in a surrogate, who the father later murdered. She has known no other mother.
"Downward departure".....LMAO Gotta love the Doc!!!
Why does grandy do that eye left to right when he says in a situation like this”
I don’t know why. But I always look for it!
Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! Your true fans love your humour and sarcasm. November 18 is Guinness World Records Day, Married To A Scorpio Support Day, Have Sex with a Guy with a Mustache Day, National French Vichyssoise Day, National Princess Day, Apple Cider Day, Mickey Mouse Day, Push-Button Phone Day, William Tell Day, Stand Up To Bullying Day, and Occult Day.
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@@kateshane8277 Absolutely!
@@kateshane8277that's every day!
I need to find a man with a mustache real quick.
@@It-is-me...MelsieYeah!😂
It sounds ridiculous that the prosecutors would be afraid that he would be a formidable adversary in court... but remember folks, we're talking about Florida.
I believe you mentioned the police got a tip that a body was buried in the backyard. Doubtful he called in the tip so did his wife, which provides doubt that she was totally innocent, or was there someone else he was involved with who he told or someone else also involved? Just wondering.
Dr Grande sporting the gray beard!
why is it always florida? asking for a sane fl native
Or Ohio 😂
How did the police miss the body? Were they just too lazy to dig up the backyard?
I can’t believe Tanya was allowed to keep Grace!
What in the F! That’s insane.
Oh geez you crack me up, homicidal bear hug and all the others
How did the guy's wife get custody of the child when she wasn't a biological parent?
Because her husband is the biological father and the biological mother is dead? Just a guess.
Can we all agree Dr Grande is a true blue bonafide rock star?
I just started watching and I'm waiting for an "oakally dokally."
Tanya should not be allowed to keep the baby. She was in on it.
Of course not even many but these pastor types seem too often to have outside egos and a feeling of being beyond the normal laws of society!
Greetings from Canada. Wow, doc! Sometimes you make me LoL so loud, often in a good way. I don't always agree with your point of view, but you do cover lots of cases within the parameters of my "hobby" ; it's quite refreshing to check out your point of view. Re this episode: to use clinical terminology, "what a puke Mr Flanders is!"
I agree that the killer pastor deserved many more years in prison. Over the years I've been told "You can trust me, I'm a Christian" which gets my response "No I can't, too many Christians behave like they have a license to sin, so you'll have to earn my trust like everybody else."
Right!🙏❤️
Why would the wife of the killer get custody of the child? They have no relationship to each other. Plus I don’t believe that she had nothing to do with the murder. She probably was a part of it. They should get that child away from her asap.
As I sit on the beach of the Emerald Coast, suddenly Dr G has a crime to tell us about…from Ft Walton Beach! Craziness 😮
Two observations. The cactus is a passive aggressive middle finger. He goes all shifty eyed when saying he's not diagnosing 😅
It's funny how his name's Flanders, like the weird Christian in The Simpsons. What a light sentence for killing someone, especially for a pastor who's supposed to spread peace and love.
Dr Todd. Comedy Gold week after week
Hi Dr. Granda. May I have a question? People with HEAVY magligant narcissism and psychotic traits, how do keep safe from these who pose a danger to society?
Geez😢
Flanders- "Hi-daly-ho neighbor"
It sickens me that James’ wife has custody of Maries daughter, Grace!
Yes.😡😔🤢
How is that even possible?!!!! DAH, WTH??!!!
Check out John Homer Docherty out of Pensacola. It’s a no body case on of the first in FLA to have charges brought against. It’s a good one. Thanks for another classic Dr.G
Please do hrh collection next!
Good morning, Dr Grande! Loved your podcast last night about the couple who were abducted by aliens. So much fun! 😆❤️
"..yea, ..fun." 👽
Podcast ! Dr Grande has a podcast ? Please tell more . I need this .
@@chrizdebo Bella Grande Media on UA-cam. A side of him you’ve never seen! With 2 great co-hosts.
@@brihaver1951 Thanks 🙂
If I’ve learned one thing, when people go on a rant about rumours being spread about them, the rumours are true.
So what do you do when the rumors are false?
@@foothillgirl7989well it depends on whether there is a rant in response to the rumour or not.
@@foothillgirl7989 people give themselves way too much credit for their ability to hide when they are having sex with someone they shouldn’t be. A one night stand maybe. but an ongoing affair tends to get sloppy. By the time you’ve gotten wind of rumours and start trying to deny them, it’s way too obvious.