Line Output Converter Explained | LOC (Audio Control LC2i) | AnthonyJ350
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- The trend with newer vehicles is it is becoming more difficult to change out the factory head unit. The most basic form of integrating into a factory system, like when installing a simple amp and sub is adding a line output converter to the stock system to obtain signal.
Audio Control's LC2i allows you to grab signal from a factory system and be able to compensate for bass roll off so you don't lose sound quality.
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I just happened on this channel and this is the most explanation I have gotten on these LC's. I have the LC7i, I'm still not understanding 'summing'? What can you tell me about it?
Basically you can combine channels if they're crossed over.
For example a factory amplified system the tweeters may only play highs and the the speakers midrange and lower. You can combine the channel input by moving jumpers to get full range signal.
Thanks for the video! What if I only wanted to use front speakers and a subwoofer (with a 4ch amplifier)... would this work? I would grab the signal from the rear speakers. Or would I need the LC7i?
I'd go LC7i
added to an aussie ve ss ute. to replace the fascia for any aftermarket was going to cost $600-700 omg no way plus another headunit.
this connected to my factory setup and it really noticeable on my aux in with the phone and DAC.
car looks stock but sounds clean and cranks. did'nt need as much gain on my amps as well. worth every penny
Great video, I was wondering how to actually connect wires to the terminals for speaker in and power in, they seem to all have the same terminal type, Do I strip off some insulation and just insert the exposed copper wire into the terminal and screw it in or what do I need to use? A ferrule? spade connector?
They're pretty small and they have a guard where the set screw compresses the wire. I just go bare wire in, just don't strip the insulation back too much.
Hi Anthony,
Great video, keep em coming.
My query comes from another video I watched recently stating it's better "NOT" to grab the sub signal from a stock sub speaker, to utilise the Signal Sensing circuitry. As the stock sub sometimes stops producing voltage due to lack of movement, which intern switches the amp off. Does this sound plausible to you, and/or have you ever come across this issue?
M Francis Yup that can be an issue if you're using signal sensing. To counter that find a 12+ switched line to turn the setup with the vehicle.
dude has anyone ever told you sound like Mr. Van Driessen from beavis and butthead but with that said would you consider a LC2i for i semi hi power system im buying a new dodge but i absolutely do not want to change the head unit
HAhaha, ya I've gotten reference to a couple cartoon characters. Maybe I should be voice actor as well?! I would do a LC7i or a signal processor with a nice 5 channel amp.
Nice breakdown, I was seriously looking at AC for a LOC but in the end I went with a DSP. What about AC s warranty, make sure to buy or have an authorized dealer install otherwise there is no warranty. 5 years with auth install, one year otherwise from auth dealer.
+fritze01 Good thing I work for an authorized dealer :) Which DSP did you end up going with?
+fritze01 DSP Better?
@AnthonyJ350 Can you explain the remote in and out again? I have a monoblock sub amp that I want to hook up and I want the signal through the LC2 to trigger the amp to turn on as well. Should I hook the amp's remote wire to the remote out on the LC2?
I also have a 2014 Silverado. If I plan to use the signal sensing GTO (jumper on Enable), will I also need to hook up +12V and/or Ground? I couldn't really tell from the video. Also, did you only tap into the rear driver side speaker? Or did you tap into both rear speakers?
Great Video, I have a standard in line converter for my single 12 inch Kicker to my kicker amp and capacitor, Will this make the sound of the bass better?
It definitely will sound better with a product like this.
What do you recommend for a Mazda 3 2016 (non Bose system), I have 6.5 components, 10 sub and they will be powered by a 4 chan amp.
The Lc2i, lc7i or lcq1? I'm working on budget, just got the car and I already have this system (maybe next year I will buy a dedicated sub amp)
great video! I just subscribed!
What if I have a 4ohm factory subwoofer ? Should I run both (+) and (-) wires to the left input of the lc2i?
Just pick one voice coil for signal.
love your vids keep it up. can you do a vid on a active crossover
+thecarguybuddy Thanks! Like where I put together an active system putting the tweeters on the front channel of an amp then the woofers on the rear not using the passive cross overs?
very well said! thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Wish you would of shown tuning the system with the lc2i
I'll try to make one when I do another install.
I have the same truck! And I'm also doing a subwoofer add on only. Where did you connect the 12v and ground too from the lc2i? And where does the remote out go to?
To the amp
its a good thing i seen this video because i have a 2014 ram with the base stereo system and a kicker 4 channel 400.4 and im trying to put in a line out converter in the rear door speakers because they get full range signal there but i have no idea how to wire it.... my rear door speakers are 4ohm american bass sq6.9 and fronts are infinity kappa 2ohm. how do i wire this??? any help would be greatly appreciated.
On my 2015 sierra i have bose system i seen that they tap to the rear speakers instead of the sub is this a problem?
That's fine, I've done that as well because the speakers provided full range while the sub didn't actually have all the frequencies we needed. It just depends when you find when you test.
Hey man great video but Let’s say I’m getting signal from my factory subwoofer , should I cut off the factory subwoofer and just run the wires straight to lc2i or just tap into them ?
You can just tap into them. As long as it sounds good with the factory sub still working. If you have to disconnect the sub you have to install a load generator device to keep the amp happy.
I have a LC2i connected to my stock radio. I bought a capacitor and it has a remote wire where do I connect to? Thanks for your video I have $80.
Remote wire goes from the LC2i to the amp and the capacitor is wired inline between the battery and the amplifier.
Would you know where I can find witch color are my rear speaker for a 2016 silverado
Is it bad to have the threshold all the way up?
Ya I turn it down. I try not to throw a lot of signal at the amp.
+AnthonyJ350 if I turn it down should I turn up bass volume or acu bass? Right now bass volume is almost all the way down and acu bass if less then half
would this work good on two amps a 4 channel amp running 4 door speakers and 2 tweeters. and a mono amp amp running 2 10s I currently have 2 cheap hi lo convertors but am not getting the best sound on bass..
+Sisco Sosa You want Audio Control's LC7i for that job.
+AnthonyJ350 thanks. but I don't get how it says it's a 2 channel converter with 4 rcas and I'll be using 1 set of rcas for the 4 channel and the other set for the mono amp. so I I only installed 1 amp why would there be another set of rca connections on the lc2i?
Sisco Sosa Well it does have a main output and a bass output. I just use this thing from monoblocks or 2 channels, but I suppose it would work for a multichannel amp but the LC7i or LC6i is the proper application.
+AnthonyJ350 Ok so I just got the specs for my factory headunit, output to the front speakers are mids and highs... output to the rear speakers are full range... and output to the rear deck speakers are low bass... so than that means I will need a lc7i right? And also how would be the best way to connect the speakers for my 4 channel.. I know for my bass amp I'll tap into the bass output speakers.. just want to know which speakers to tap for my 4 channel?
Sisco Sosa The cool thing is you can sum the signals in an LC7i. So I would just grab front and rear, then sum everything together so you get full range coming out the RCA's. You'll lose fade but who cares.
could you do a vid on how to tune please???
Finally made a video here ua-cam.com/video/QTUl8wNt7Kg/v-deo.html
so do you grab the signal from the rear speakers or do you share the signal with the speakers. if you share wouldn't that change the ohm's.
Jason Fleming It shares. It shouldn't because it's not really changing the load the head unit or amplifier sees.
Trying to figure out if this will work with just two wires. Would I just connect them to one input? I'm tapped into the factory Bose sub wiring.
Yes you can hook them up in parallel that we the RCA output puts out the same signal on both left and right channel.
i have a factory sub on my car. should i just tap into the sub line to get signal to install an aftermarket sub? or will it be better to tap on the rear speakers for signal?
That's usually where I go for signal. Try not to use signal sensing when going at the sub, because sometimes factory units pause just long enough it will want to turn off the amp. Use a switched power signal to turn on the LC2i and turn off the GTO sensing.
So overall if I have a stock and integrated car stereo system (2010 Ford Focus w/ Sync) this would be perfect to add a subwoofer amp connected to dual 15-inch subs? I will disconnect the existing subwoofer from the factory and tap into the rear audio speakers... not the existing subwoofer factory audio wiring?
Michael C If you're using the Audio Control piece tap into the sub woofer signal if you have a sub. You can tap into the rear speakers but you need a full range signal and since you have a sub it's possible the speakers might be crossed over not playing the lower tones.
So if I want to jus add a sub amp and 2 subs in my 2020 ram 1500 I could jus use the lc2i and tap into one of my speakers to get the signal? I jus have a basic factory radio no factory amp or factory sub. Thanks
Yes that's correct. It's best if you can get the Left and Right signal as well. I would also get the signal from the front channels.
And do I have to connect the remote from the amp to the lc2i or the find accessory from my truck?
You could do either, the LC2i has really good audio signal sensing.
I have a 2009 Dodge ram with alpine system and the touchscreen head unit, thinking about getting lc2i. Did you use 2 or 4 of the stock sub wires when installing it in a ram? will be adding a mono amp. debating on using a double din or keeping the factory headunit
TheConwayChannel Might as well use all 4. The LC2I has left and right inputs
I have 2017 ram with alpine system so when I take the factory sub out and just take the sub wires and run them to LC2i ?
Tommy Scaletta Yes the LC2i can handle the voltage. Or you can grab signal from the factory amp under the dash.
Lol you can still use remote turn on and have it tied in with the RAP. Just tap into the factory amp harness. All my accessories turn on and off with the RAP. But I ran that tapped signal to a relay and the relay powers on and off the aftermarket accessories
What if the head unit is CANBUS?
AnthonyJ350 doesn’t matter. My head unit is canbus and is tapped into my canbus
@@idrift314 How did you do it with the LC2i? You can grab it off the speaker output and use signal sensing (GTO) but there is no way to use 12 volt turn on with a CANBUS head unit, you would have to find an accessory line at the distribution center that is integrated with the R.A.P.
AnthonyJ350 now you’re getting it.
AnthonyJ350 GTO doesn’t work with CAN. At least not with my truck. Like I said, I just tapped into the RAP and used that to power a relay that powers all my accessories
If i have a bose amp in my 14 silverado would i get signal from bose sub or a back door speaker?
+g00dstuff101 Grab it from the sub if there is one. Also check if you have the noise cancelling system because if you do, you'll have to disable the microphones.
i have a 2015 silverado non bose and i wanted to install the ktp-445u with the factory head unit , and later on add an bass amp what do you recomend, and one qhestion on the lc2i will both outputs work at the same time?
Jesse Rivera Yes both outputs should work at the same time. Yes the Alpine unit is a great little piece of hardware to use.
Im having issues adjusting my lc7i, not sure if i should go up or down on the settings.
I leave it in the factory location and try to adjust off them amp first.
Hi, If you have a regular cheap line out converter and I am using the factory subwoofer channel speaker wires, I would I still have to buy a lc2 or just use a cheap regular line out converter (Because since it being a subwoofer channel I thought the freq&signal would be in the sub channel without using a lc2 using the front and rear wires and doing those adjustments on the other audiocontrol converters
+calvinchoe100 You can just use the line output converter you have. You do have to be careful because cheap ones can't take that much voltage, and the sub woofer (even factory) will have a good amount of voltage coming out of it, potentially wrecking the line output converter over time or immediately.
Hey Anthony I have new mustang that has a factory sub, but I want to replace it. I already have a rockford fosgate p3 12" with a hifonics brutus amp. Will this line output converter work for my application, also can i tap into the factory sub wires instead of the rear deck speaker wires? oh and which amp kit would you recommend me to buy and what gauge? Thank you!
Hifonics doesn't carry the quality they used to but if it's truly 2000W you will need zero gauage power wire. That line out converter will work perfectly for you. I used one in my Mustang a while back. Tap into the factory subwoofer.. even if after the factory amp the LC2i Can hangle 400W input. I warn everyone keep yoru sub amp gains low ill setting up the Accubass. The threshold knob takes a second to respond to turns so turn a small amoutn at a time and wait for response.
I have a 2009 Ford Focus with the audiophile system. It has a factory sub. Should I use the speaker wires for the sub as the input for my LC2i or the rear deck speakers?
Does the head unit have sub woofer control?
AnthonyJ350
Negative. I’ll be installing my Cerwin-Vega B1 stealth. That has a remote knob that I’ll be installing also.
@@robncasey1216 Best thing to do is check the speakers and see what frequency they're putting out. You'll want full range signal.
AnthonyJ350
Already have. That would be the rear deck speakers. Thank you very much for the advice!!
Gotta be really careful with those hd amps and heat! I realize there isn't much room in the truck. But my hd 900/5 which is probably the best amp I've ever owned and still love it. But it gets hot! Really hot! They all do. Be careful !
Thanks for the tip!
I have a 2016 Malibu and payed for it to get installed! I bought the schoche line out converter from Walmart and every time I press the gas, my bass blares! And when I let go of the gas the bass goes down. He told me the only way it will work is if I get AudioControl LC2i it will fix the problem. But I was just wondering if that's true?
Ps I have auto volume turned off.
Hmmmm I know some of the GM vehicles have active noise cancelling. I'd look into seeing if your vehicle is equipped with it. Does it blare bass when you're idling or even revving it in park?
AnthonyJ350 well sometimes it blares when I turn the vehicle on or when I press on the gas. It could be parked or in drive and it will still do it.
Can you use the remote out if youre not using the remote in? In other words can I use this to turn on my amplifier if Im using the speaker sensing to turn on the loc?
+vinnievici Yup, the LC2i will turn on with speaker sensing and the remote out will activate your amp.
It indeed works and the signal quality is great.
putting aside bass roll off to one side for now. most amps have speaker level input compatibility now. so is there still a need for this? I'm powering factory speakers via a 5 channel amp. I. e. k801-5
Hmmmm if it's a good quality amp technically no. But if you ever think you might change the head unit and you can place the rcas up front, it will save you a wire run in the future.
+AnthonyJ350 how's everything going question i have a 2016 honda pilot elite model i just wanna upgrade my speakers and subwoofer should I get LG2 converter getting a 4 channel amp but honda pilot has a external amplifier build inside the back panel with a subwoofer plz help me out
Where did you get pull your +12 V and Ground from?
Wiring typically at the fuse panel or power distribution center verifying everything with a multimeter.
Can you email me some information on how to wire this up to my 2002 Vw Jetta I'm just running a 10" sub and amp to my factory monsoon radio.. I don't think I wired it up right
I'd visit your experienced local install shop to inspect it.
+AnthonyJ350 didn't you say you have a site that tells you what wires go where?
I have the same truck and idk what they put in it but whoever put the system in it got the rcas that are going to the 4 channel amp also going to the subs well the amp for the subs it sounds pretty good but if I put the 4 channel amp on full instead of hi or low the door speakers sound like they gonna blow up bc of the bad going threw them
You want the HPF turned on for the speakers and LPF switched on for the subs in your setup at the amp. Best thing is to not mess with the original installer's setup if it sounded good to begin with.
AnthonyJ350 do i turn bass and treble all the way down on the head unit while tuning? And do i adjust bass and treble from bead unit later on or leave bass alone and turn up treble? Also, theres a delay for the bass to kick in at higher volumes, why is that? Acubass too high?
How would i know which one to get?
+wSIXp ZEROkn (w6p0kn) What are you trying to do?
im trying to put a kicker l7 12inch sub in my 04 nissan titan crew cab. i am going to take out the factory sub and put a LOC there off of the wires the sub used for my 2000 watt Hifonics amp. will that be sufficient?
Chase Burt As long as you lineoutput converter can handle the power coming off the factory sub output.
this is the information pertaining to the sound system my truck has:
The 2004−Current Nissan Titan Crew Cab features a Rockford Fosgate 400 Watt RMS, 10-speaker audio system including these advanced features:
DSP Tuning precisely tailors audio signals to each speaker
Long-Throw Subwoofer provides great excursion and deep bass
Dual Voice Coils (DVC) allow the subwoofer to handle larger amounts of power
Sealed Enclosures provide a tight, controlled bass response
Balanced Dome Tweeters offer excellent high-frequency performance
does that mean i have to use a LOC that can handle up to 400 watts per channel? or?
also i appreciate your quick reply!
or is this based off of voltage?
for more info:
www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/2004-curr.-titan-crew-cab
Hey I had one of these lc2i for over a year now. They work great but is it possible to make a video on how to tune them along with the amp? Also for some reason when I play music at a low volume, the bass plays really low. But if I turn it up and then low again the bass is extra loud. How can I fix this problem with the lc2i?
+LegitMods4u Well that's usually what happens when you turn the volume up. It gets louder. If it's getting a little loud for you at higher volume, you can get their remote gain control and you can turn the bass down a little at higher volume.
+AnthonyJ350 the problem is that the bass this goes up and down randomly. Its like I'll play music normally and out of no where the bass comes on really loud.
LegitMods4u Ahhh, your Accubass might be up too much. There's also a threshold dial on the side (it's very small and a white dial). You can try adjusting the engagement point. Also try turning the accubass knob down a little.
+AnthonyJ350 I actually never noticed that accubass treshold...wow lol. I'll give it a try tomorrow. Thanks for your help. I will keep you updated tomorrow!
+LegitMods4u I just read this exchange....did it work out for you? I'm contemplating buying on of these for a system that I want to put in my Accord coupe.
Will these output a flat, full range signal, no matter what bass &/or treble settings you change on the HU, or will the HU settings affect the signal?
+BLaQz84 If the curve changes on the speaker you're grabbing signal from it will affect it. I was playing around with it and if I fed too much bass signal in from the head unit and didn't sound good.
+AnthonyJ350 So u were better off adjusting the gain via on the converter & amp, as opposed to the HU?
BLaQz84 Ya I tend to flatten out the factory head unit and I keep the gain low at the LC2i if I can and try to get everything done at the amp. I will bring up the gain at the LC2i if I think it's too quiet.
+AnthonyJ350 Cool... Appreciate it the info... I might be getting a new car soon, but I don't want to take any of the factory equipment out... I miss the days when car manufacturers, made their HU's interchangeable...
BLaQz84 JL Audio is coming out with a product that will correct factory EQ's automatically. Depending on the car you buy will determine what product you should put in.
I have a 2010 ram 1500 Laramie with the factory alpine. I realized you referenced using this in the ram no issue by going off the sub wire, but I'm curious if you just used one set of wires or both sets that run to the sub? And how you connected it to the lc2i? Thanks
Hey I have a Android after market headunit cand I grab one channel out and the dedicated sub out of that headunit and connect to the lci and connect my mids and and bass amp to it
andy As long as you put full range signal through it. There's a full range output and bass output on the LC2i. You'll have left and right but no fade.
AnthonyJ350 tnk for the reply sir but do u thing I can send one channel full range out from the Android and the dedicated sub channel out to the lci so the the lci out put will have a dedicated sub out with sub signal and the other out will be full range for my voice amp
Or do I have to feed it with two full range out put from the factory my Android have 4 channe full range and a dedicated sub channel get what I'm saying tnks
andy I would feed it two signals so you get left and right out of it.
Will this increase my factory radio volume? I have amp hook up to 12in subs & the radio volume isn't so loud at all
The only way to affect the speakers is to amplify and tune them.
@@AnthonyJ350 I mean will this increase the radio volume like boost it up to a few volume more?
@@dewaynejay1032 No it will not. This device obtains signal for an amplifier to interpret and affect whatever the amplifier is driving.
@@AnthonyJ350 I appreciate that information sir. So is this better to use then a basic convertor that run from the rear speakers to the amp just trying to get a better understanding on this
@@dewaynejay1032 It depends on what you're installing. If it's a basic install I grab signal where ever is easiest and tell the customer not to fade the audio. If I can get to the signal easier I will grab off the front channel, especially if I fade it to the front to balance out how it sounds. I never fade to the rear because it sounds weird.
What Amp fuse would you say is safe to run in line on the 12v constant?
D M For the LC2i?
yes, currently have everything wired, just need to run the 12 V for amp and 12V for LC2i, I have an inline for the amp, this video cleared it up that i should put one on the LC2i aswell, just not sure what amp
I would be a smaller fuse in for the LC2i like 7.5 amp. Just make sure you get power from somewhere that can handle the extra draw.
sweet thanks, gonna wire it directly to the battery so there shouldn't be any problems with lack of voltage
I ran mine from my amp terminal. And a remote from the head unit. Works fine.
I do the same thing with my McDonald's stickers lols
Lol nice!
i have 5 channel amp and i installed new speaker wires for the front and back and i have the lc2i so is that mean its not going to work??
fifty 9755 You can get signal from the head unit or factory amp. You can feed the signal from the main output to channel 1 and 2 ( and set 3 and 4 to grab off those channels as well, you'll loose fade) and hook up the bass output to sub. I wouldn't sum left and right like I did here, grab actual left and right signal.
AnthonyJ350 someone told me i can just grab signal from the rear speaker wires since its full range so i dont have to worry about openning the stereo.. i have mustang gt 2017
fifty 9755 You can but you should get left and right. I'd recommend the LC7i for your application or a DSP. What motor does the Mustang have? Because if it's eco boost you might have to look into product for PAC audio.
AnthonyJ350 its the 5.0
AnthonyJ350 how about the front? do i still need to get signals from them or the rear speakers are good enough?
yes but with a 3way setup
+thecarguybuddy If I get the opportunity to make one. We still have to cover multi channel line output converters and digital signal processors first.
I touched ground with positive by accident now the sub control knob don't work, on the lc2i
Did you try unplugging power off the LC2i and plugging it back in to see if it would work again?
no, I'll try that thanks for the tip
I tried it, did not work.
The LC2i or the bass knob itself might have sustained damage.
I plugged the knob on to amp and it lights up, but plugins it in to lc2I doesn't work I have sound tho
Lol at mc cafe sticker
Great vid
Thanks!
mcafe
You never hook those up in the dash. Come on man! You want it to be easily tunable. I’d make you re do it if I was the customer.
I don't let customer's tune my setups, so it being "hard to access" is my problem and I prefer it if people don't touch the settings. If you know how to tune it, then you probably know how to install it.
I have a Ram 1500 without the alpine system. Should I go off the front or rear speakers?
nmfdchris If you're using the LC2i use the sub output.
AnthonyJ350 I don't think mine has that. Just the 6 speaker system. Front and dash 3.5s are in series and rears are solo
nmfdchris I'd do rear, should be full range.
AnthonyJ350 awesome thanks ant. Now the other question I have is, how should I go about adjusting the LOC and the amp?
nmfdchris I'd start with the loc in the middle or quarter and put the amp to minimum. Set the head unit to 75% and start gaining the amp after. Also leave bass boost at 0.