Physical Modeling synths have been around for a while. I gave a Yamaha EX5R and a Korg Kronos, both of which have various physical modeling engines. It has been used successfully also on pianos, with PianoTeq and the Roland V-Piano and Fantom. The Waldorf Quantum also has a plucked string engine, among others. Physical modeling seems to work well for plucked strings, tuned percussion (marimba, vibes), woodwinds and horns. It works less well for strings, leads and pads. Overall, I'd say that it's very useful and may get more powerful in future, but it's not the ultmate synthesis solution, if such a thing even exists. It's great that there are VSTs that let you play with this relatiively inexpensively and easily now.
I remember when yamaha release the VL-1 in 1993 and everybody though it would be the future and everybody would be using it. Anyway I use the pianoteq for many years.
Physical modelling is awesome, but I've actually found Chromaphone to be rather tame. The physical modelling synth I love using for those really wacky sounds is Kaivo by Madrona Labs.
@@SnetremAip Not really, no ... I often print the result though and then deactivate the synth track (in Bitwig). That way it doesn't use CPU, but I can still go back to the original and tweak things if needed.
Physical modelling synthesis principles have been around since the beginning of digital synthesis, and a number of PM hardware synths from the 90’s functioned comparably (or even better in some cases) to the likes of these plugins. So it’s a bit of a stretch stating/click baiting they will “change everything”. Granted though, with the adage of MPE and current processing power, this area of synthesis is being used in progressive ways, particularly for live playing. Haken Audio’s Eagan Matrix probably being a prime demonstration at the moment.
I used the demo for Chromophone 3 for its full period last year and I loved it. The only downside I know of that you haven't mentioned here is that this type of synthesis requires quite a bit more processing power than something like Serum. I found that many of the presets would devour my cpu. Though it is true, as you do mention, that those presets are insanely beefed up to show the product off. I also use Prism in Reaktor, and it's not nearly as good but it still has the quality that I like most about this type of synth, which is playability. I can plug my keyboard into these instruments and just enjoy playing them for hours because of their responsiveness. I will say that if you are trying to plug typical synth riffs, sequenced-by-mouse, you probably aren't going to love what you get as much as if you make subtle layers of notes. To me, these instruments are inherently percussive. Many have options for "bowing" or "air" exciters, but these still need some improvement, IMO. Anyway just throwing my two cents at the wall so I can watch it jangle around on the floor afterwards.
To my ears, these physical modeling patches trying to emulate real instruments aren't particularly interesting. But imagine what could be done to create acoustically and sonically believable "physical" sounding electronic instruments that feel both organic, alien and mechanical at the same time 🤑
Infected Mushroom is working along Polyverse music on a killer synth that I'm pretty sure will be something else on the market as their usual tools they've released so far on Polyverse
dude i freakin love Chromaphone, it is the jewel in my collection, such an amazing tool for organic sound design, not only that, i often use it for sampling and drop the samples on some granular synths with amazing results for soundscapes and pads
I bought the course on the week of release but couldn't start straight away for various reasons. I couldn't log back in to start the course. I have emailed a couple of times but have never received any support by way of a reply?
Happy that this synthesis model is now more popular and accessible, even if it is not new. I participated in a workshop on CORDIS-GENESIS physical models, with Claude Cadoz in 1999.
Well there are resonator plug-ins out there, some of them for free, and depending on what daw you use there might be a stock one already available to you.
I know only the A.L.11 ASS Instruments so now I hope to see what someone know about this inhouse ASS vst and think about it. 😎 cool you dive into this.... Im interest in conparison to the velocity 128×128 velocity midiprotocol backdoor CL15 Synth step expression capabilitys and how this could be implemented via midiprotocol, can it be recorded in Live 11 etc..is MAX a helping option... The CL 15 played by a good artist sounds so natural now ...
Hey, could you please remake or help me figure out the synth on the new Chemical brothers song "No Reason" The synth that starts playing at 1:11. Any tips appreciated. Thank you.
i don't have a lot of dedicated physical modelling synths yet but i like to transform any sound into a physical modelling-one by just applying keytracked rift feedback lite or polyverse supermodal to a signal that already plays the same melody
Sorry to go off-topic but what's your Live theme? It's much gentler on the eyes than the default ones, and it doesn't seem to be possible to achieve by tweaking the appearance settings. I've had a look on other videos of yours because I assumed it would be a commonly asked question but can't find anything. The closest I can get in Live 11 is setting the Colour Hue option to about 33º
Suggestion here - would you be able to do more tutorials on uhe Diva in future? There isn’t much content for it on UA-cam, especially compared to Serum, so it would be really beneficial
Thanks for sharing if you are in Ableton all you need is Collision. Personally, I do not think they are the future since they have a sound that somewhat sounds out of place in a track, not quite acoustic and not quite synthesised. I think AI sound generation is the future instead. You can get some cool drums sounds and percussive elements with Physical Modelling too.
‘Out of place in a track’ is an incredibly broad statement and entirely subjective. Personally I love hearing well executed sounds in a track that sound somewhere in between real and synthetic. I think being able to synthesize sounds that are nearly as harmonically rich as acoustic instruments with the control of a synthesizer has incredible potential and they are only going to get more advanced. Of course AI will play a big role in the future, doesn’t mean there isn’t room for innovation in other areas too.
Imagine if producers stopped using Physical Modeling and then people started wondering why it went away and why did the sales for synths with new PM technology like Tomofon drop down to $0 and so we told them "Because there was a Hector HP guy on the internet who made a really good point when he said it doesn't fit in a track" 🤣
@@zyxyuv1650 Lol name me tracks that use physical modelling besides playing guitarr or stringy type sounds. I happen to be a sound designer and Music production teacher...and as much as I love physical modelling I don't see as been the future. ;) But yeah you have a point 🤣
@@SynthHackerTV Good point, but we have had this technology since 1995 not quite the future as I see it. It would be interesting to see how ir progresses and where it takes us... but I find it more exciting to be able to synthesise any sound using some clever AI with amazing results... and it will only get better.... Physical modelling is great but you can recreate all of it pretty much using FM synthesis too, with carriers and modulators..... What would excite me about physical modelling would be a good recreation of snare, hihats and wind type instruments.
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Physical Modeling synths have been around for a while. I gave a Yamaha EX5R and a Korg Kronos, both of which have various physical modeling engines. It has been used successfully also on pianos, with PianoTeq and the Roland V-Piano and Fantom. The Waldorf Quantum also has a plucked string engine, among others. Physical modeling seems to work well for plucked strings, tuned percussion (marimba, vibes), woodwinds and horns. It works less well for strings, leads and pads. Overall, I'd say that it's very useful and may get more powerful in future, but it's not the ultmate synthesis solution, if such a thing even exists. It's great that there are VSTs that let you play with this relatiively inexpensively and easily now.
Elements by Mutable Instruments is awesome
I remember when yamaha release the VL-1 in 1993 and everybody though it would be the future and everybody would be using it. Anyway I use the pianoteq for many years.
How does the Roland Fantom have physical modeling?
@@brickblock369 The V-piano on the Fantom is physically modeled. It also has numerous sampled pianos, but the V-piano is their best sound engine.
Logic Pro X Sculpture: interface is ancient but can go fairly deep.
Omg 4:08 Porter Robinson - Blossom ❤❤❤❤
Physical modelling is awesome, but I've actually found Chromaphone to be rather tame. The physical modelling synth I love using for those really wacky sounds is Kaivo by Madrona Labs.
Madrona labs physical modeling is mind blowing. Although very heavy on cpu. Do you have any advise on how to keep it lower in the madrona plugins?
@@SnetremAip Not really, no ... I often print the result though and then deactivate the synth track (in Bitwig). That way it doesn't use CPU, but I can still go back to the original and tweak things if needed.
@@haslo_ it’s good to know that I’m not doing something wrong. I will print the track (in my bitwig) too. Thanks. 😊
@@SnetremAip lower the voice count
@@SnetremAip From a Bitwig person to a Bitwig person: Funny how it is always us who end up in sound nerd places like this...
Physical modelling synthesis principles have been around since the beginning of digital synthesis, and a number of PM hardware synths from the 90’s functioned comparably (or even better in some cases) to the likes of these plugins.
So it’s a bit of a stretch stating/click baiting they will “change everything”.
Granted though, with the adage of MPE and current processing power, this area of synthesis is being used in progressive ways, particularly for live playing. Haken Audio’s Eagan Matrix probably being a prime demonstration at the moment.
Beside those synths... How did you get abelton to look like that!?
yes what's the skin? it's pretty!
I used the demo for Chromophone 3 for its full period last year and I loved it. The only downside I know of that you haven't mentioned here is that this type of synthesis requires quite a bit more processing power than something like Serum. I found that many of the presets would devour my cpu. Though it is true, as you do mention, that those presets are insanely beefed up to show the product off.
I also use Prism in Reaktor, and it's not nearly as good but it still has the quality that I like most about this type of synth, which is playability.
I can plug my keyboard into these instruments and just enjoy playing them for hours because of their responsiveness. I will say that if you are trying to plug typical synth riffs, sequenced-by-mouse, you probably aren't going to love what you get as much as if you make subtle layers of notes. To me, these instruments are inherently percussive. Many have options for "bowing" or "air" exciters, but these still need some improvement, IMO.
Anyway just throwing my two cents at the wall so I can watch it jangle around on the floor afterwards.
To my ears, these physical modeling patches trying to emulate real instruments aren't particularly interesting. But imagine what could be done to create acoustically and sonically believable "physical" sounding electronic instruments that feel both organic, alien and mechanical at the same time 🤑
Infected Mushroom is working along Polyverse music on a killer synth that I'm pretty sure will be something else on the market as their usual tools they've released so far on Polyverse
wow those stock sounds - really sound amazing . Thanks for sharing Tom!
You're spoiling the sauce!!! ;)
exactly! shhh ;)
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the free surge xt softsynth has the twist engine in it which has modelling synthesis (by mutable instruments)
I’ve got surge and didn’t know that! It’s such a beast
dude i freakin love Chromaphone, it is the jewel in my collection, such an amazing tool for organic sound design, not only that, i often use it for sampling and drop the samples on some granular synths with amazing results for soundscapes and pads
Resampling into a granular synth sounds like a great idea!
4:51 hey that's a Four Tet tune from one of his newer albums
Lush!
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I bought the course on the week of release but couldn't start straight away for various reasons. I couldn't log back in to start the course. I have emailed a couple of times but have never received any support by way of a reply?
Happy that this synthesis model is now more popular and accessible, even if it is not new. I participated in a workshop on CORDIS-GENESIS physical models, with Claude Cadoz in 1999.
Are there any plugins that can be put into an effects chain to augment a synth patch with physical modelling?
Well there are resonator plug-ins out there, some of them for free, and depending on what daw you use there might be a stock one already available to you.
polyverse supermodal
@@Beatsbasteln Dayum, that looks like a beast
A short filtered delay, to achieve the Karplus Strong effect
if u use ableton corpus
Reasons Objekt is also worth checking out.
I love physical modelling, Plasmonic is probably the best one I've used yet, either that or the plugs that AAS developed or co-developed.
See if you can physical model some violin family strings, though! Gattobus' "The Wind Forest" cover is a beautiful example of this.
I'd call this kitsch.
What is that device being tapped on next to the keyboard at 5:01 ?
Touché by Expressive E
I know only the A.L.11 ASS Instruments so now I hope to see what someone know about this inhouse ASS vst and think about it. 😎 cool you dive into this....
Im interest in conparison to the velocity 128×128 velocity midiprotocol backdoor CL15 Synth step expression capabilitys and how this could be implemented via midiprotocol, can it be recorded in Live 11 etc..is MAX a helping option...
The CL 15 played by a good artist sounds so natural now ...
what about woodwinds / blown instruments? i only heard kinda plucky sounds here...
Hey, could you please remake or help me figure out the synth on the new Chemical brothers song "No Reason" The synth that starts playing at 1:11. Any tips appreciated. Thank you.
i don't have a lot of dedicated physical modelling synths yet but i like to transform any sound into a physical modelling-one by just applying keytracked rift feedback lite or polyverse supermodal to a signal that already plays the same melody
Balls just signed up for the course before I saw the 30 off code in this vid. Oh well I love your vids you deserve the money
Anyone know free alternatives (that would be similar enough) ??? Or if any of these are free?
Subscribed 🙂
Kaivo - that is all.
Damn, i was waiting for the beat to drop at 12:40! Haha😅
Such a lush sound. Awesome tips. Thanks for sharing! 🙏
Nice overview - thanks! The tip about layering at 12:00 reminded me of how the Roland D50 works.
Said it once and I’ll say it again - your explanations for sound design are impeccable. Chapeau 🔥
i this corpus is really interesting in ableton too since its an effect you can use anything as the source. ive been using it to get cool drum sounds
Yo, which synth do you think is better, Chromaphone or imagine?
Sounds great, man! Thank u for the vid. Much love
Sorry to go off-topic but what's your Live theme? It's much gentler on the eyes than the default ones, and it doesn't seem to be possible to achieve by tweaking the appearance settings. I've had a look on other videos of yours because I assumed it would be a commonly asked question but can't find anything. The closest I can get in Live 11 is setting the Colour Hue option to about 33º
It's called Super 8 :)
@@SynthHackerTV Awesome, tyvm!
did you try Tomofon?
I haven't but it looks really interesting!
It’s very interesting, I have been feeding it pure orchestral samples. Single monophonic samples turn into gold with Tomofon.
Loved this tutorial, thanks SynthHacker
porter!
Suggestion here - would you be able to do more tutorials on uhe Diva in future?
There isn’t much content for it on UA-cam, especially compared to Serum, so it would be really beneficial
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Thanks for sharing if you are in Ableton all you need is Collision. Personally, I do not think they are the future since they have a sound that somewhat sounds out of place in a track, not quite acoustic and not quite synthesised. I think AI sound generation is the future instead. You can get some cool drums sounds and percussive elements with Physical Modelling too.
wdym by ai sound generation
‘Out of place in a track’ is an incredibly broad statement and entirely subjective. Personally I love hearing well executed sounds in a track that sound somewhere in between real and synthetic.
I think being able to synthesize sounds that are nearly as harmonically rich as acoustic instruments with the control of a synthesizer has incredible potential and they are only going to get more advanced.
Of course AI will play a big role in the future, doesn’t mean there isn’t room for innovation in other areas too.
Imagine if producers stopped using Physical Modeling and then people started wondering why it went away and why did the sales for synths with new PM technology like Tomofon drop down to $0 and so we told them "Because there was a Hector HP guy on the internet who made a really good point when he said it doesn't fit in a track" 🤣
@@zyxyuv1650 Lol name me tracks that use physical modelling besides playing guitarr or stringy type sounds. I happen to be a sound designer and Music production teacher...and as much as I love physical modelling I don't see as been the future. ;) But yeah you have a point 🤣
@@SynthHackerTV Good point, but we have had this technology since 1995 not quite the future as I see it. It would be interesting to see how ir progresses and where it takes us... but I find it more exciting to be able to synthesise any sound using some clever AI with amazing results... and it will only get better.... Physical modelling is great but you can recreate all of it pretty much using FM synthesis too, with carriers and modulators..... What would excite me about physical modelling would be a good recreation of snare, hihats and wind type instruments.