An Addictive Alternative To DAWs
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
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0:00 - Intro
0:52 - The Timelines Of Computer Composing
2:57 - Nodal
3:40 - Midinous Origin
5:03 - Chapter 1: The Basics
13:05 - Chapter 2: Generative Music
19:59 - Chapter 3: Patch Show & Tell
21:36 - A Song
25:00 - Sonicpass/Falcon Simping
25:33 - Examples in my music/bye - Наука та технологія
"Anyone lying about what Mark Twain says is a person worth listening to." - Mark Twain
"You want quotes? Bitch, I got quotes for daayyyzzz." - Mark Twain.
@@dbptwg are you autistic or what are you trying to say?
it's the fact that you have been tricked in a funny way but he told you right away about it what makes it enjoyable, like a joke with a pointe
@@dbptwg probably because we understood it was a joke lol
@@dbptwg Is it really a lie if you admit it right away? I would argue that it's not.
"Mark Twain was such an intellectual" - Sun Tzu
You are about to absolutely exPLOde this steam game that has 26 reviews
One of the few times I'm happy as fuck for influencer influence :D say that fast 7 times haha
As someone who doesn't game and never used steam, can you explain to me how it works buying this? Would I need to always have internet connection to run it? Or can I just download it onto my laptop and have it run regardless of connection?
@@EricJohnson-fh8zj you can launch it offline. steam can also be launched without an internet connection but will nag about it
@@EricJohnson-fh8zj If you don't use Steam for anything else, it'll probably seem a little cumbersome to install just for this product, but it's not difficult to do. Once installed, you could theoretically switch steam to "offline mode" and never have to worry about an internet connection again. I think you might need to disable offline mode to receive automatic updates (even if you have an active internet connection), but otherwise you can use the product uninhibited indefinitely, with or without a connection.
what a cute comment.. but sadly Benn is a nobody :/ i the world of youtubers and viral vids.. the only thing Benn is known for is having weird eye brows.
It's so nice when GAS hits an entirely new itch I didn't even know existed AND sets me back $20 instead of like 2 grand. What a delightful program, the "gaming brain plus music brain" is an underutilized crossover. I'm a data analyst in my 9-5 and this feels like programming a solution for manipulating or rolling up and analyzing data. This is going to be a deep enjoyable dive. Thanks again for all the content and Mark Twain lies
Love that
sad how electronic musicians seem to be some of the biggest consumers of them all. oh well, always got to have that new product! buy buy buy!
@@i-never-look-at-replies-lol Rather than reducing the experience of others to a microbially simplistic motive, you could choose to view it as a triumph of human spirit that despite how miserable life might seem sometimes, musicians still find it in them to make sacrifices for the sake of developing their art, to hope that they and the world might be *more* for their efforts.
If the burden of your sadness has grown so heavy that you feel the need to offload it into a completely innocuous and pleasant online discussion, please consider whether it might better be placed in the hands of a mental health professional who can give you the support you need.
Another gamer musician data analyst? How rare!
UVI costs $$$ 😔
I'm incredibly impressed that this software was developed by someone who just learned coding as their first project?! I'm a programmer myself and this is insane
That is literally bonkers. Even just doing the UI work alone would be way beyond the average beginner… yet this has VST support, audio encoding, probably a bunch of driver integration… Dude’s a genius.
I'm a developer too and WOW, AGREEE this is amazing
I'm not going to claim I could do this as my first project because I have a biased opinion on my current abilities... but most of this can be done with freaking StackExchange plus trial-and-error. The idea itself is much more impressive.
Same dude!
@@TheUnderscore_a lot can be done nowadays especially with the help of generative AI, however me, after watching 30 minutes of 4 hour course on python, I managed to hole myself into 5 hour journey to program an interactive shopping list (no gui), be very impressed with my resourcefulness and how incredibly optimized I managed to code it with basically 0 skill even tho it took 5 hours, only to then never watch the rest of the 4 hour course and never program anything else 😂 so I think the most impressive thing of all is that they actually stuck with it and finished it and didn't give up on it.
The "not enough alternative ways" thing struck me real hard.
I do field service inspection and when I'm taking a break in my car I'll be zoning off on nanoloop doing live techno and FX-free dnb
pls link : )
Yeah I've had a lot of fun with nanoloop, it's great for little ideas. Sometimes I run into dead ends if I have something specific in mind where I can't really do what I want (like the limited number of patterns), but if you're just playing around it's easy to get something cool going.
The fact this was created by someone with no previous coding experience is absolutely amazing. Excellent work.
You cannot believe everything that liar says!
And why should we believe @@AleksanderNevskij47?
This was kind of like the thing where you think you dislike an ingredient and then go to a good restaurant and realize that you just had a bad version of it previously. The only generative stuff I've seen thus far has been purely mathematical curios with little if any musical value, or modular guys going ham and ending up with a naive salad of noise and random notes. This was really eye-opening, thank you
Sort of like AI art and whatnot, how you prompt it, and nudge it this way or that way to give it a "human touch" greatly enhances the results of the generative work. I've had some great results with Max 4 Live devices after nudging the parameters juuuust right
i didn't go ham. please don't put it in the paper that i went ham
Naive salad of noise would be a pretty cool name for a band.
To be fair, even a very musical human will mostly come up with bad musical ideas. An important skill as a musician is filtering which ideas area good and which are not, so I don't know where people ever got the idea that generative AI music was ever going to make #1 hit songs that everyone loved with each pull of the lever. The goal is really to get it closer to the point where it's more in line with what a human can do, which again, is mostly meh, some terrible, and occasionally something that's at least the start of something more interesting.
"You can make anything sound good with enough reverb" -Mark Twain
From the Steam page, it looks a bit like a (much) more-approachable implementation of some of the ideas in Orca. Neat!
First thing I thought of when I saw it
I've spent a lot of time in both Midinous and Orca and they're both fun in different ways but I can't imagine actually making a whole thing in Orca, it's way too abstracted.
ORCA the GOAT
Orca is Dwarf Fortress and Midinous is Factorio of MIDI sequencers!
@@EmperorDoom uz.
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Fascinating. The 'basics' demonstration of this non-DAW felt like playing minesweeper whilst conjuring Future Sound of London vibes at the same time.
I bought Midinous _aggggges_ ago, played with it a bit, thoroughly enjoyed it, put it down and haven't picked it up again since. Not because it's not great, but because I got distracted and... you know how it goes. It looks like a bunch of features have been added since then and I've now got all of my hardware synths hooked up for midi to my PC, so I'm definitely going to check it out again! Thanks for reminding me of its existence!
This is right up my alley. I already get stuck in generative music creation software like it's Factorio.
Jesus how the hell have I never heard of this? I am a hobbyist computer scientist, an IT guy, electronic musician and I am all about the non-random, generative midi. (That was regarding nodal, but also other interesting stuff after..)
Awesome video!
I can't help but mentioning I made software for Ableton (Max for Live) called New Path some time ago, heavily inspired by Electroplankton as well! 🙂
It has a similar grid of arrows, but it adds many features like teleports and crossroads, etc. And it's a midi device so you can control anything you want with it, synths, samplers, drums, parameters, etc.
that sounds awesome where can I find it?
@@Tsuumiiidid you do a web search yet?
That song at the end was great. Also loved the patch that was shaped like a tree, very organic! Cool demonstration.
And it's in these moments where it's a bit depressing to find a video that is so relaxing, cool, exciting and brilliant. And a pity not being able to share it with someone who is not even interested and may be surprised as I have done.
You're sharing it with us! :)
That last song with the pads and the sunset was incredible
I was gonna try it out already but this one really sold it for me yeah
incredible ui visualisation. to me this is a new standard i could see this being incorporated into daws as a toggle view. amazing job
I absolutely love this! ORCA was one I enjoyed playing around with, but I really appreciate the visual layout of this - it feels both in-depth while also surprisingly intuitive. I'm definitely gonna demo this, and for $20 (currently on sale), it's almost certainly something I'd be interested in picking up!
Orca is great
Orca is fantastic! So much fun.
ORCA is definitely a hidden gem! very fun to use.
This totally blew my mind. I know it's not the same thing but when using Punk-o-Matic 2 to make music, the benefit of having a band perform the piece takes it to another level of enjoyment. So this is like performance & creation in one too. I love watching this play through something you make.
no joke this just makes more sense in my brain than a conventional DAW. This just gave me so many ideas of a new software I could make that is inspired by this idea!!!! Midinous is so cool!
Agreed
What's the idea?
As someone without classical training, but an interest in music and having the background of a gamer the is such a beautiful thing. Being able turn timing notes into a logic puzzle is awesome.
SIDE NOTE: I stumbled across your video but listen to you work on Spotify all the time and love it! didn't know until the end of the video!
Been looking for something like this without knowing it since i got into musicmaking! Thank you for consistently being a motivational force in my life wonderful human!
Thank you for making this video Benn! I've been looking for something like this for a long time.
It'd be pretty interesting to see someone make music like this but the nodes are set up in a way that just makes a big tree or something!
I've had this wishlisted for over a year, thanks for the reminder to pick this up! Excited to get this connected to some hardware.
I would like to thank the algorythm for taking me to a video from a UA-camr I didn't follow about a software I didn't know about. Good job!
Also, this seems much more approachable than Wotja, which I had fun with for generative music, but whoose learning curve seems much more steep when you want to get more complex stuff going.
Wait till you listen to the guy's music!
i can't wait to see someone make an entire operative system out of those music circuits
Fascinating concept! Love it!!! Thanks for sharing.
I need this kind of incrental node based music system as a sound controller for a game.
This is going to my bucket list.
Just imagine the granularity you can achieve for stuff like threat music in dynamic enviroments.
I say this on most videos I think but your demos are always so on point and inspiring and holy fricken shizzle 21:36 is so amazing. I just got home from work to finish the video and it transported me to another space entirely. amazing stuff
This is amazing! I can play simple bass, I can play guitar like a bass, I can fat-finger piano - but because of that, my creative expression for music is mostly in my DAW FL Studio's piano roll, which is tough when you need to let your creativity flow. Connecting this to FL Studio has given me a new way to doodle and find what I'm looking for in terms of inspiration. Thank you!!
I'm so glad I saw this! Thanks to this video I got Midinous on the weekend and I've been having so much fun making a song with branching paths :D Inserting a new section in the middle of a song feels very natural, because you don't have to move anything around, you can just stick a new path wherever. And I like that I can either make the hubs random, or tell them exactly what order to do the paths and exactly how many times. I can stick strictly to verse-chorus-verse if I want to, or not!
The patch that's shaped like a tree sounds amazing! It's like a blending of the Demon's Souls "Maiden in Black" and Breath of the Wild overworld music.
As a programmer.... I felt chills watching this application at work... It covers the basics of Node based programming in an almost artistic fashion that I could never seek to comprehend... It's like marveling at math, the complex computations of infinity, watching as it can go on and on with infinite possibilities. With undisputed potential. I aspire to write a program, app, or game as complex and complete as this.
That was fun, thanks. A good trip down memory land and learned a few things along the way too... cheers!
One time I actually started burning out on music a long time ago. Was only classically trained at that time playing only prewritten compositions. But then I discovered improv, and it was like just discovering music all over again from the very beginning. Tried to node based playing, particularly on iPad, but improv always gets me excited for music again.
To me, the tracker interface always made more sense than the piano roll, possibly because of being a drummer - with a tracker, alternating between tapping the keys and the down arrow allows the timing of notes to "just happen".
There are downsides to trackers, too, but I still wish there were more of them out there to this day.
This is seriously an amazing video. Thank you for making this. Ive always wanted to make music but for aome reason i havent been able to commit. This feels like something id accidently apend whole days working with
Honestly this is such a cool idea. I'm a software engineer and I am also often thinking about alternative, more programmatic ways of making music. But all my ideas so far would've been text/code based, which is hard to use for "normal" people. If this starts to support plugins and mixer channels I'm definitely going to use it!
This looks amazing for pattern based progressive metal. Stuff like meshuggah for example! It looks much more intuitive to make polymeters and repeating patterns. At the same time i really like beat scholar which does that thing but even better, this is much better for making melodies though
Dude- I have a spreadsheet of collected inspirational quotes and stopped the video to add the "Mark Twain" quote to it -- then had to go back and change it to "Benn Jordan" after you confessed!
I like it more as a Benn Jordan quote anyway. ;)
WOW. this is INCREDIBLE, I'm absolutely buying this!! From a graphic designer's perspective, I always wanted to experiment with music making but struggled to understand the interfaces of any DAW I tried. for the uninitiated, it feels like being in the pilot's chair in an airplane where there are a million tiny levers and buttons and switches and it's not immediately clear what any of them do.
But THIS makes use of grouping similar things together, which is like, one of the main tenants of graphic design, it makes something so much easier to understand. Having little closed circuits in different areas for baseline, main melody, percussion, etc. makes this SO much easier to understand for me.
I hope there's some settings where we could make circuit lines bolder or thinner as well, having something like that would help immensely with visual hierarchy and make things even more readable. Your loudest main melody could be bold lines and quieter backround circuits could be thinner. I'm so excited about this, thank you for making a video about it!!!
I was desperately hoping Nodal would get an upgrade. Maybe I've found out it is named Midinous. I'll check it out.
Thank you so much for the always inspiring content, Benn.
Luminaria!! I loved Electroplankton SO much as a kid, SimTunes also. Honestly MidiNous reminds me a LOT of SimTunes. I *REALLY* wish Toshio Iwai had done more stuff after that.
Awesome! Very very useful for what I'm working on atm. Love it, thanks!
I cannot like this enough times. I have been into writing complex and cascading modi sequences and experimenting with how to effectively add, ostensibly, randomizing triggers with specific
parameters or for specific things and then and then and then. This, just... is all of the things. I'm also a video game junkie so how I missed this until NOW!
Step aside Reaper, if only for a few (hundred) hours.
Thank you thank you and a million times thank you. I may change that to DAMN YOU for ruining my life because I do nothing else but write nodal modular music inside the realm of midi "games", the absolute wet dream of nooooo one else but meeeeee... and everyone who checked this out so, clearly like a bunch more people.
surely what else could I not know of...?
This is why I love Renoise, and I came from oldschool DOS tracking Fasttracker II.
This is very cool, and helps to break us out of the monotony of piano roll.
Great run thru, and really great software for visual compositions. This gets close to a goal I have of feeding generative midi data from one system to other generative systems and then back again… creating generative loops with human modulation somewhere in the mix.
PEACE
Just bought it, thanks for the recommendation! Love gaming and making music so I'm excited to experiment with it.
Master Tracks Pro had piano roll before 1989. Had it on my Mac Plus in 1988, so it existed within MTP at least since then.
you get some wonderful results with this stuff. now, I'm inspired to try my hand at it. yaaaay!! thanks bunches.
I started with "the hum", and now this. Thanks! Great channel.
Thanks for making this real interesting video instead of a paid advertisement of the Ableton Push 3!
I loved playing around in Electroplankton and these look like a ton of fun. Thanks for spreading the word!
Mind blown! Thank you, Benn. Fire for sure.
So cool! Thank you for sharing 👏🏼
Just took it for a quick spin and _Ooof!_ This is fantastic! Just alone for the incredible ease of making one note, wherever it is in the sequence, trigger something else. Weee!
I just discovered your channel with this video. I have always had an interest in music creation and have dinked around with DAWs here and there, but I've also always had a deep interest in circuit design and electronic logic- this program immediately makes music 'click' for me in my head. Thank you so much for this video and the community that facilitated the creation of this tool- I'll be picking this up immediately and messing with it endlessly I'm sure!
I've always been interested in things like these because I have a lot of interest in music and sound design, but I find myself very weak at composition and struggle to do much beyond making ambience.
This approach to music really tickles my programmer side and fits into a view of making music that feels better suited for the way I think. Maybe some day I'll have the time and money to invest into it because it looks really cool.
Really cool!! Great demo! Thanks for sharing!
This might be something for me.
I'm really into modular and procedural stuff, my music theory isn't really up to game and I need good alternative ways to make music for my projects eventually.
Thank you a lot for this! My mind has been blown.
This is so cool! Gonna add to my steam wishlist to check out when i get home.
It's a completely different workflow but this really reminds me of a playstation 2 "game" i used to spend hours screwing around in many years ago called magix music maker. It was like a sample/loop based thing you could "play" just sitting on the couch or whatever.
Great video. Thanks for bringing this cool stuff to my attention. Now, hopefully I can get some time to try this stuff out.
So neat. Thanks for making this.
I saw this video randomly suggested to me and I gotta say, really glad I gave it a watch, and you're right on the money with the thumbnail tbh - kinda felt close to an "ad" for a friend's app/game at first, but being 100% fair it's a VERY cool product; I may have immediately gone and bought it because dang… really interesting and fun piece of software. Thanks for sharing and for the demo! 😄👍
5:50 "that gives you access to a thousand instruments… so let's start by loading an 808." 😂
This is impressive, it looks so simple, but at the same time it's mind-blowing.
20:00 This almost sounds like the music you hear in the character creation screen in Dark Souls 1. Beautiful!
oh wow good point! sounds super Fromsoft in general, actually reminds me of playing Armored Core: For Answer back in the day
I've been looking for something like this for years, cheers Ben...
Subscribed. Right when the cord was triggered at 19:37. Something about that routing follow into the chord, and the duration of the cord timing out, I dunno... just got me.
Also... bought it, too.
I saw the Tenori-On as a kid when it got released and was fascinated, but never got one. This software may spark this fascination and joy again, so thanks for showing it! I'll give it a try.
Holy John Gage's Ghost, Batman! But seriously, I haven't been that enthralled by a "music process" in a long time. One of the coolest things I've seen in awhile. Must have that app
This tool basically recreates the chaotic style of aphex twin. Love it
1:47 that's the reason why I started to learn how to use modular synths on vcv rack, this is so inspiring
Wow this is awesome! Can't wait to try it.
Nice to hear trackers mentioned..I still use one to this day in my late 40's haha
I've been following and using Midinous for a while and it's great. I haven't used it for a while, but maybe I should!
i was really curious awhile ago about midinous and couldn't find anything detailed about how it works. it was a nice surprise to hear that it's what the video is about after watching for almost 5 minutes.
Thank for the inspiration and discovery!
I'm literally crying. I've been playing bass/guitar for 15 years, it's been fun, but what you described in the intro is literally me. I see the fretboard and I see quite literally exactly 100 notes in front of me, I know theory but when I sit down I see ALL of the theory I know put in a big bucket all at once.
aaaaaaaaaaand I'm also a huge fan of factorio, put a good number of hours into all the zachtronics games. This sounds like something made for my brain.
jeez dude you used "literally" 3 times...
@@i-never-look-at-replies-lol literally, I did. No literal way.
This looks sick! Though clicking around to make music is the thing that makes me want to get out of a DAW in the first place 😅 Probabilistic plugins and programs are always great ways to generate ideas you wouldn't have otherwise thought of
Fantastic tour of this tool and I respect the commitment to Papyrus here
I totally forgot about nodal! Thanks for reminding me about it. I'm gonna go get it now
I was just recently thinking about a program like this! Im glad i saw this. Ive been wanting a program where i can make polyrhythmic songs. I started in VCV rack using very limited pieces. I wanted the ability to define my own markov chains, probabilities, loops, etc. This is exactly what ive been looking for!
Mezmerising. Been on a whole sequencer kick and tonight I found the orbit sequencer on ADSR and this. I know which one im buying!
Looks awesome ! Nice showcase! :)
I didn't follow a lot of this because I'm old school in my composition and recording techniques, but it was fascinating watching someone else's musical workflow.
Lovely stuff again. This looks sooo interesting.
this is for me the most inspirational video from you thus far
DUDE - this software is pretty cool! I did not even know it existed and after watching the tutorial - since you know the person who made this... I would make one suggestion... In the tutorial it is not explained how to use an external VST or instrument. I got it worked out in a minute after I remembered you saying something about it creating a port... But I just was thinking Hmmm this should probably get put into the tutorial so others can figure it out. (also I am a dev, and get that sometimes - we THINK people know stuff... but they don't lol) - PS I used Halion and it was cool - might do a video about it using Halion and point to your video if you don't mind. Thanks Benn!!
Yes, I was left baffled as to whether or not Midinous even allows VSTi's (or is this just a Falcon thing?). I mean, would Ominsphere 2 work with this (or any other VSTi in my collection)? Unfortunately, the guy in the video didn't make this clear.
@@philipford6183 The very first words in the description are, "Midinous is a non-linear MIDI sequencer",. most VSTi seem to be triggerable through MIDI.
You got me with the Twain thing, good call!
Thank you for this
One of the many reasons I loved bhajis loops for palm pilot and even now my old as hell rs7000 is that they had interesting inspirational tools to play with when there were no ideas kicking around your head.
For instance a tool I like to use o. The rs7000 is one that most people ignore: the huge selection of midi clips that are assigned to styles and instrumentation but you don't have to stick with that...combine that with the midi remixes function and the midifx knobs that time stretch and shift notes around....you can make a completely original tune and play absolutely no notes. It's all pushing around preset midi data and it can go into extremely cool places quickly and its just a lot of fun.
Most interesting stuff in my feed as always
Wow this is incredible, thanks for sharing.
Only in the first min of the vid, but I have to throw in Gene Wolfe's advice on writers block, which is to ask yourself, "What's the next cool thing that happens?"- the important word here being cool... a very subjective word, but one in which your own tastes and those of your readers (or listeners, I guess) are strongly likely to align. "Happens" is of course another key word for this to work lol.
also, have you tried ZOA? sequencer based on John Conway's Game of Life. pretty neat!
this was inspiring! ty! :)
What a neat way to come up with inspiration and experiment. Often when you're playing and freestyling an instrument, it can sometimes feel difficult to really create something "new", because your muscle memory is always going to tend towards some rough parameters of sound. That can get better, but also worse, depending on the degree of your "writers block", or "composers block" I should say.
I am addicted to factorio and everytime i open FL Studio I just stare at it. This is flippen cool i might actually try it