@@J7Jase Yeah man, they had a great opportunity with the WotL remake to fix his gimped character but they did nothing. Maybe they wanted diehard Cloud fans to really have to work to make him viable. Either way, I appreciate the video, I've been looking forward to this since I started following you almost a year ago! Cheers man, keep up the good work!
@@raiusdaltar1483 I know such a let down. They made Balthier down right insane. Why not fix Cloud? Lol. Thank you so much!! This comment made my night! I swear I replied to this but now it gets the proper reply! Haha
I remember grinding out Cloud in the original, it sucks lol but he was fun to have..... and miss all his charge attacks. I like his unique callouts for recruiting him and showing him to Flower girl and Elmdore.
If you know how to level up game stats, any Final Fantasy Tactics character, except monsters, can reach maximum Stats. If your Cloud is rubbish, it's because you did the wrong Leveling, with the wrong classes and what happened. Classes influence Status gains as you evolve. Monk: Increases HP Mime: Physycal ATK B. Mage: M. ATK (from what I remember) ... So if you built the Cloud wrong, it will be weak. But building it is not easy. because to evolve well, you will have: 1) Focus on a class. 2)Fall into Trap LVL Down until you reach 1. 3) Reach LVL 99 as a character using that class at least 9 times (I don't remember exactly how many times) or more, for EACH INDIVIDUAL ATTRIBUTE. My Cloud had 999 HP, 99 SPD and 99 Phisycal ATK. It was always First Turn and had maximum damage with the weakest sword. Remembering that skills that increase Status contribute to permanent Leveling. For every 10 points buffed, the status increases by 1. - This helps a lot in the process, but it doesn't work with all attributes. with SPD and Phisycal ATK it works...If I'm not mistaken, the Mediator's Talk Skills and the bards' songs help too. But that's basically it. The intention of the video was good, but there is much more behind the FFT mechanics that few people imagine.
Lol. I know this game quite well and repeating everyone having max stats for every single video is stale and boring. I've done solo challenges, Got 5 Stars on all the Rendezvous missions, solo 5 stars on all the Rendezvous missions. Cloud's base is just weak compared to nearly everything else. Materia Blade for Limits, charge time is long, and the weapon does weak damage. I'm pretty sure I know FFT mechanics, made videos showing never before seen glitches, Chocobo riding mechanics and did a lot of challenges. Thanks though
Can you explain deleveling and releveling? Do you have a video that explains that? I only knew of deleveling to keep characters from outpacing the available equipment in the store.
Pretty much take a character but have them as a bard or chemist since they have bad stats and take them to a dengenrator trap and level down. Then level them up again as a class with superior stats like ninja, monk and so on. You will enjoy some nice increased permanent stat growth. I don't have a video on it yet.
@@J7Jase I found out having time magic as his secondary ability Makes his limit ability way more viable since you're able to use stop, and along with swiftness he could arguably be a really good support mage
Cool builds I got my Cloud with Limit, Summon, Nature's Wrath, Swiftness, and Move+3 The idea was to be like he got the Master Summon Materia from FFVII Swiftness benefits both of the job commands And I grind him through mime till 40 matk to make his abilities and Nature's Wrath hit really hard I still got the issue about the Rendezvous and Melee equipment to complete the build Hope you like it!
I like it. Reminds me of FF7. Totally nice. In a previous comment that I replied to, if you can play on an emulator through PC then there is a way to get those items much easier through a modding/save editor.
I wonder if the stats of Orlandu and Cloud should've been swapped, like Orlandu is the Thunder God but he's an old man, and his "magical" sword abilities are strong enough, whereas Cloud in Advent Children could jump skyscraper heights (in theory with the Dragoon's move ability) and he was cutting pieces of buildings that Sephiroth flung at him like they were made out of butter. Cloud should've hit like a truck and have Haste as a default, oh well. Love your build ideas, he DEFINITELY needs molly-coddling to make him viable at all in FFT.
This is a great idea. And totally I wish Cloud was just better since this game did come after 7 and he was a guest character and all that hype for him just went down the drain when you got him lol. Thanks again for the awesome comment!
why not dual wiled with the materia blade in the second slot? i mean the first sword hit's pretty hi. That is how i had it together with short charge; he also good as a summoner with short charge and his limits and hi evasion, but as a mage is more challenging.
I mean sure but his limits I noticed were way too slow without Swiftness and Moonblade has way more weapon attack. Being a magic user is good too but anyone can be a summoner and in WOTL his MA isn't as high as in the ps1 version
I tampered with Cloud in FFTPatcher in my most recent playthrough. +1 base move on Soldier job class All Limit skills are instant cast. If this proves to be too broken, I will give the high tier ones a mana cost. I adjusted all of Cloud's stat growth to be equal to Cid's, and then I gave him a little extra HP and matched a Black Mage's MA/MP. In addition to what Soldier already can equip, I added all women's accessories, Katanas, Knight Swords, Rods, Robes, Shields. I buffed the Materia Blade to 22 WA, and 25% Block. I wanted to make it scale just like a pole, but couldn't figure it out (if someone knows how you would be the MVP). I gave Cloud the following innate abilities to top it off: Parry, Arcane Strength, Attack Boost, and Safeguard. Time will tell if this is truly busted or not lol.
@@J7Jase After much trial and error, I basically ended up redesigning all of Cloud's moves from the ground up. As far as how they scale, the targeting, etc. Basically giving him 50/50 physical and magic attacks, making the strongest ones require a charge up. And added Curaga, Shout, Fira/ga, Blizzara/aga, and thundara/aga to his base job. He feels extremely solid and unique now!
Cloud should've been allowed to equip the Female Only Accessories, main the Tyran Rouge. That would've balanced the trade off of him being locked to the Materia Blade for his Limits but nope.
That would have helped big time. They should also have lowered the charge time for his limits , increase his speed slightly, let him equip knight swords and lastly his base move should be 4. Just so we can get more variety and build potential for him.
If you're willing to forgo the Ribbon, you could make him a Dark Knight, make Limit your secondary command, and then dual wield something like Chaos Blade/Materia Blade. Alternatively, you could hack Materia Blade to do Advent Children style stuff. Maybe give it an attack of 40 and a weapon guard of 99 to mimic all that deflecting of everything Cloud does.
Thanks so much. I tried to replicate part of that audio again but it could never sound as good. There was a slight pause because my neighbor's dog was barking haha.
A bit of fun thing you can do for those that play with save editors you can level a behemoth to level 20-30 and then turn it into cloud he will have a ton of magickal power and with a brigands glove he will fire brave slash, cross cutter, finish touch and meteorain very quickly with swiftness and will hit like an mfing truck. If you want something more legit you must level him all the way as onion knight or mimic otherwise his stats will suck. I recommend doing the behemoth stuff with lioneditor and you will have a fully functional cloud. If you want extra cheese set him as a female and give him tynar rouge, he will solo most encounters.
@@J7Jase That was my hunch 😱 I knew he looked like Sephiroth the first time I ever played FF Tactics!!! Those long silvery white locks and that distinctive miserably cool, yet so Sephiroth like face.
I mean, I agree that I find him extremely useless in FFT, and maybe I'm just new to this channel, but doesn't just turning him into a beat stick kind of defeat the point of using his Soldier class? If you were going to make a build for Cloud, you'd think you'd work around... y'know... CLOUD. Like I could sort of understand if you were trying to find a happy medium in that you gave him Dual Wield and had one weapon be the Moonblade for major damage (you did like 800+ damage in one hit from level grinding after all), could you just give him his Materia Blade for his second weapon? So he can still use his skills if he can't reach the foe? (Alternatively putting Materia in slot one if it needs to be there for the sake of Limit requirements?) I just don't see the point in using him in his Soldier class if you aren't going to use him as a Soldier. Turn him into a Knight or a Ninja or something if that's the case.
Not a Cloud in the sky. He is no Lancer or Singer. Priest. 95 Brave. 75 Faith. White Magic. Punch Art. Damage Split. Short Charge. Move + 3. Mace of Zeus. Thief Hat. Rubber Costume. Feather Mantle. He is nerfed. I prefer not to solo combat him without Math Skill. Pure support otherwise.
I remenber levelling cloud, I can say that was a bit dissapointing... Because for some reason, the most of the limits takes the magical damage and not the phisical damage, You and I, and the rest of the world knows, that cloud's magical damage sucks. Thats why I used the support ability to increse the magical damage, however. That just allowed me to use cross-slash and bravery, cause the other ones takes an eternity to use. In normal battles Finishing touch is the only limit that really works lol.
Depends on which version for brave suit. If you are on the Google Store version you need to beat the game and its found in the poacher's den. If not Melee mode on PSP. Ribbon you poach from Wild Boars which you have to breed from Swine/Pig family
I just hate the fact they NERFED an already bad character in WotL and made his limits have a smaller multiplier with his ma so now i cant have my cloud hit for 500+ with his braver or cross slash anymore
I agree Cloud is a weak in terms of the hero characters you can get but also- the heroes are ALL insanely broken, especially the PSP version that made Miladul go from strong to broken. Of course Cloud is weak when compared to that- which is unfortunate. But him and Agrias are the only 2 hero units I ever consider using because the hero units - honestly, make the game just not fun to play. They destroy a lot of the challenge and I know the game throws some BS at players but on replays, Orlandu is comically broken, Reis is insane, Bewulf makes Oracles & arguably Geomancers useless. FFT, in my mind is so, much better ignoring the heroes- which is annoying because I do really like them as characters and their skills ARE fun, but IDK what Square was thinking with the array of busted characters they got
Well if they are hyping up a game that is literally releasing after FF7 and including Cloud as a cameo character they should have made him overpowered. But he was just an utter disappointment.
@@J7Jase All I could think of is they weren't happy with having to include him. Since he starts at level 1 and is so early on in the game what else could it be
Excellent! This is my favorite game of all time!
Same here! I love FF Tactics so much. Such a timeless game for me. I have 800 hours on my current save file.
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I've spent a lot of time over many years trying to make Cloud tactically relevant. It's an uphill battle to say the least.
Also you finally pronounced "Gaius Caligae" correctly haha
Agreed. Wish he was way stronger or had higher base move, speed and could equip Knight Swords. Limit was stronger, no charge time. I could go on haha.
@@raiusdaltar1483 I always knew how to pronounce it. haha Just named after Caligula.
@@J7Jase Yeah man, they had a great opportunity with the WotL remake to fix his gimped character but they did nothing. Maybe they wanted diehard Cloud fans to really have to work to make him viable. Either way, I appreciate the video, I've been looking forward to this since I started following you almost a year ago! Cheers man, keep up the good work!
@@raiusdaltar1483 I know such a let down. They made Balthier down right insane. Why not fix Cloud? Lol. Thank you so much!! This comment made my night! I swear I replied to this but now it gets the proper reply! Haha
I remember grinding out Cloud in the original, it sucks lol but he was fun to have..... and miss all his charge attacks.
I like his unique callouts for recruiting him and showing him to Flower girl and Elmdore.
It was a cool thing to try and recruit him. I wish he was a lot better though haha.
If you know how to level up game stats, any Final Fantasy Tactics character, except monsters, can reach maximum Stats. If your Cloud is rubbish, it's because you did the wrong Leveling, with the wrong classes and what happened. Classes influence Status gains as you evolve. Monk: Increases HP Mime: Physycal ATK B. Mage: M. ATK (from what I remember) ... So if you built the Cloud wrong, it will be weak. But building it is not easy. because to evolve well, you will have:
1) Focus on a class.
2)Fall into Trap LVL Down until you reach 1.
3) Reach LVL 99 as a character using that class at least 9 times (I don't remember exactly how many times) or more, for EACH INDIVIDUAL ATTRIBUTE.
My Cloud had 999 HP, 99 SPD and 99 Phisycal ATK. It was always First Turn and had maximum damage with the weakest sword.
Remembering that skills that increase Status contribute to permanent Leveling. For every 10 points buffed, the status increases by 1. - This helps a lot in the process, but it doesn't work with all attributes. with SPD and Phisycal ATK it works...If I'm not mistaken, the Mediator's Talk Skills and the bards' songs help too.
But that's basically it. The intention of the video was good, but there is much more behind the FFT mechanics that few people imagine.
Lol. I know this game quite well and repeating everyone having max stats for every single video is stale and boring.
I've done solo challenges, Got 5 Stars on all the Rendezvous missions, solo 5 stars on all the Rendezvous missions.
Cloud's base is just weak compared to nearly everything else. Materia Blade for Limits, charge time is long, and the weapon does weak damage.
I'm pretty sure I know FFT mechanics, made videos showing never before seen glitches, Chocobo riding mechanics and did a lot of challenges. Thanks though
Can you explain deleveling and releveling? Do you have a video that explains that? I only knew of deleveling to keep characters from outpacing the available equipment in the store.
Pretty much take a character but have them as a bard or chemist since they have bad stats and take them to a dengenrator trap and level down. Then level them up again as a class with superior stats like ninja, monk and so on. You will enjoy some nice increased permanent stat growth. I don't have a video on it yet.
I went out of my way as a kid to get cloud and grind him up. As an adult I just completely ignore his existence
It was sad haha. I remember grinding for Cherry Blossom and then it took like a million turns for it to go off.
That's exactly my story. Now as an adult, I don't bother with him anymore.
@@J7Jase I found out having time magic as his secondary ability Makes his limit ability way more viable since you're able to use stop, and along with swiftness he could arguably be a really good support mage
Cool builds
I got my Cloud with Limit, Summon, Nature's Wrath, Swiftness, and Move+3
The idea was to be like he got the Master Summon Materia from FFVII
Swiftness benefits both of the job commands
And I grind him through mime till 40 matk to make his abilities and Nature's Wrath hit really hard
I still got the issue about the Rendezvous and Melee equipment to complete the build
Hope you like it!
I like it. Reminds me of FF7. Totally nice. In a previous comment that I replied to, if you can play on an emulator through PC then there is a way to get those items much easier through a modding/save editor.
I wonder if the stats of Orlandu and Cloud should've been swapped, like Orlandu is the Thunder God but he's an old man, and his "magical" sword abilities are strong enough, whereas Cloud in Advent Children could jump skyscraper heights (in theory with the Dragoon's move ability) and he was cutting pieces of buildings that Sephiroth flung at him like they were made out of butter. Cloud should've hit like a truck and have Haste as a default, oh well. Love your build ideas, he DEFINITELY needs molly-coddling to make him viable at all in FFT.
This is a great idea. And totally I wish Cloud was just better since this game did come after 7 and he was a guest character and all that hype for him just went down the drain when you got him lol. Thanks again for the awesome comment!
Having haste by default sounds so appropriate, i wish i could mod this game myself
why not dual wiled with the materia blade in the second slot? i mean the first sword hit's pretty hi. That is how i had it together with short charge; he also good as a summoner with short charge and his limits and hi evasion, but as a mage is more challenging.
I mean sure but his limits I noticed were way too slow without Swiftness and Moonblade has way more weapon attack. Being a magic user is good too but anyone can be a summoner and in WOTL his MA isn't as high as in the ps1 version
I tampered with Cloud in FFTPatcher in my most recent playthrough.
+1 base move on Soldier job class
All Limit skills are instant cast. If this proves to be too broken, I will give the high tier ones a mana cost.
I adjusted all of Cloud's stat growth to be equal to Cid's, and then I gave him a little extra HP and matched a Black Mage's MA/MP.
In addition to what Soldier already can equip, I added all women's accessories, Katanas, Knight Swords, Rods, Robes, Shields.
I buffed the Materia Blade to 22 WA, and 25% Block. I wanted to make it scale just like a pole, but couldn't figure it out (if someone knows how you would be the MVP).
I gave Cloud the following innate abilities to top it off: Parry, Arcane Strength, Attack Boost, and Safeguard.
Time will tell if this is truly busted or not lol.
The changes seem great so far. Nothing is truly busted or overpowered in the game. The AI just needs to learn how to play better ofc lol
@@J7Jase After much trial and error, I basically ended up redesigning all of Cloud's moves from the ground up. As far as how they scale, the targeting, etc. Basically giving him 50/50 physical and magic attacks, making the strongest ones require a charge up. And added Curaga, Shout, Fira/ga, Blizzara/aga, and thundara/aga to his base job. He feels extremely solid and unique now!
Cloud should've been allowed to equip the Female Only Accessories, main the Tyran Rouge. That would've balanced the trade off of him being locked to the Materia Blade for his Limits but nope.
That would have helped big time. They should also have lowered the charge time for his limits , increase his speed slightly, let him equip knight swords and lastly his base move should be 4. Just so we can get more variety and build potential for him.
It would also fit nicely with ffvii story.
If you're willing to forgo the Ribbon, you could make him a Dark Knight, make Limit your secondary command, and then dual wield something like Chaos Blade/Materia Blade. Alternatively, you could hack Materia Blade to do Advent Children style stuff. Maybe give it an attack of 40 and a weapon guard of 99 to mimic all that deflecting of everything Cloud does.
I wanted to make him more unique and with his base class. I mean there is no point to using Limit over Darkness really at that point.
As always, great job. A couple hiccups with the editing, though, like blackouts at least twice.
Thanks so much. I tried to replicate part of that audio again but it could never sound as good. There was a slight pause because my neighbor's dog was barking haha.
Let's see you do better. Then we can judge.
A bit of fun thing you can do for those that play with save editors you can level a behemoth to level 20-30 and then turn it into cloud he will have a ton of magickal power and with a brigands glove he will fire brave slash, cross cutter, finish touch and meteorain very quickly with swiftness and will hit like an mfing truck. If you want something more legit you must level him all the way as onion knight or mimic otherwise his stats will suck. I recommend doing the behemoth stuff with lioneditor and you will have a fully functional cloud. If you want extra cheese set him as a female and give him tynar rouge, he will solo most encounters.
I dig it 👍👍
Since he has swiftness already, might as well pair him with summon for added versatility.
He doesn't have the MA from PSX unless this could be a more FF7 theme build and honestly summon falls off late game.
Me, with my Cloud-Limit-No-Charge-Time Hack: What!? Cloud is easily a viable character.
nah not in FFT sadly.
How about adding in Sephiroth?
This thought just came to me, haha 😅
The best I can do is add Marquis Elmdore in haha. Since he was based off of Sephiroth.
@@J7Jase That was my hunch 😱
I knew he looked like Sephiroth the first time I ever played FF Tactics!!!
Those long silvery white locks and that distinctive miserably cool, yet so Sephiroth like face.
I like how the video basically starts with just because you can does not mean you should haha
Lol I gotta be honest! He just isn't that good in this game.
I mean, I agree that I find him extremely useless in FFT, and maybe I'm just new to this channel, but doesn't just turning him into a beat stick kind of defeat the point of using his Soldier class? If you were going to make a build for Cloud, you'd think you'd work around... y'know... CLOUD. Like I could sort of understand if you were trying to find a happy medium in that you gave him Dual Wield and had one weapon be the Moonblade for major damage (you did like 800+ damage in one hit from level grinding after all), could you just give him his Materia Blade for his second weapon? So he can still use his skills if he can't reach the foe? (Alternatively putting Materia in slot one if it needs to be there for the sake of Limit requirements?)
I just don't see the point in using him in his Soldier class if you aren't going to use him as a Soldier. Turn him into a Knight or a Ninja or something if that's the case.
Guess you didn't see the Limit Break part that focuses on using Finishing Touch.
Not a Cloud in the sky. He is no Lancer or Singer.
Priest. 95 Brave. 75 Faith.
White Magic.
Punch Art.
Damage Split.
Short Charge.
Move + 3.
Mace of Zeus.
Thief Hat.
Rubber Costume.
Feather Mantle.
He is nerfed. I prefer not to solo combat him without Math Skill. Pure support otherwise.
Why white mage/priest? I mean its a cool setup but at the same time anyone can become it. His Soldier is unique
@@J7Jase Unable to make Limit useful enough. My least played character.
Honestly they should’ve given him like a little secret buff to his limit break and his sword would’ve been cool
He should have just been better in FFT lol strength wise
I'm using fft android. Somehow cloud can't wear those female headgears. How did you do it?
He needs to be in Soldier job.
I remember as a kid being psyched about Cloud being in the game, then after getting him realizing his limits sucked.
Yeah waste of time and big let down.
I remenber levelling cloud, I can say that was a bit dissapointing... Because for some reason, the most of the limits takes the magical damage and not the phisical damage, You and I, and the rest of the world knows, that cloud's magical damage sucks.
Thats why I used the support ability to increse the magical damage, however. That just allowed me to use cross-slash and bravery, cause the other ones takes an eternity to use. In normal battles Finishing touch is the only limit that really works lol.
Yeah I wish he was better. He sucks and I still his Limits were instant as well lol.
Yeah, but I still using him cause is Cloud xD
And just for curiosity, how many times I have to develling him?
@@Brayan_Man As much as you want! But once or twice is more than enough
your total spending of time ？
@@ejj9613 I want to say like 7 hours
How to get ribbon and brave suit ?
Depends on which version for brave suit. If you are on the Google Store version you need to beat the game and its found in the poacher's den. If not Melee mode on PSP. Ribbon you poach from Wild Boars which you have to breed from Swine/Pig family
I just hate the fact they NERFED an already bad character in WotL and made his limits have a smaller multiplier with his ma so now i cant have my cloud hit for 500+ with his braver or cross slash anymore
Yeah you got a point. I wish they made Cloud super OP.
It’s too bad Materia Blade is a two handed weapon…
It isn't. You can Dual Wield the weapon if you really wanted or use it with Doublehand.
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Thanks! As usual for the comments! Helping the video out big time.
recurit him is hard while building him is way long, not balanced at all
And he sucks lol at the end anyway
You could literally just use a materia blade and a moon blade and still get haste and be able to limit lol
But without Short Charge/Swiftness good luck ever landing a Limit ever too slow
Cloud might be the main character in ff7 but he gets pwned in ff tactics!
Yeah he was a let down in FFT for sure lol
Wish Cloud was better
Same he is a let down in FFT
I agree Cloud is a weak in terms of the hero characters you can get but also- the heroes are ALL insanely broken, especially the PSP version that made Miladul go from strong to broken. Of course Cloud is weak when compared to that- which is unfortunate.
But him and Agrias are the only 2 hero units I ever consider using because the hero units - honestly, make the game just not fun to play. They destroy a lot of the challenge and I know the game throws some BS at players but on replays, Orlandu is comically broken, Reis is insane, Bewulf makes Oracles & arguably Geomancers useless.
FFT, in my mind is so, much better ignoring the heroes- which is annoying because I do really like them as characters and their skills ARE fun, but IDK what Square was thinking with the array of busted characters they got
Well if they are hyping up a game that is literally releasing after FF7 and including Cloud as a cameo character they should have made him overpowered. But he was just an utter disappointment.
@@J7Jase All I could think of is they weren't happy with having to include him. Since he starts at level 1 and is so early on in the game what else could it be
Cloud sucks.
In this game yes he does lol unfortunately