Chara Got Done Dirty | Undertale
Вставка
- Опубліковано 23 вер 2023
- Who is The True Villain of Undertale Reaction
New videos of geekery, reactions, and anime content at 1:00 p.m. (Eastern Time) Monday to Saturday and live streams Sunday.
Watch the original vid here:
Who is The True Villain of Undertale?
• Who is The True Villai...
Become a Member: / @airier
Discord:
/ discord
Channel thumbnail Character and Channel Mascot created by Temporary Alien, art by RunnawayTourist.
#undertale - Комедії
![[REACTION] IT'S TIME!! | Misty Sparkles: Who Dr. Gaster Is and Why That Matters to Deltarune](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VzOdfRBw2q4/mqdefault.jpg)
"What happens when you do a pacifist run over and over"
The whole fandom: NOTHING HAPPENS
Core!Frisk: *sweating*
I have to quote Flowey here:
"Don't you have anything better to do?"
Playing Undertale for the first time is a great experience, but you can't recreate it by playing it over and over.
I mean, there is an easter egg, right? With Sans' rooms?
core frisk
@@unicornilluminati9019beat me to it
9:04 wait until he realises Asriels name is just a combination of Asgore and toriel 😂
Yeah, like on REACT one of the guys, Brandon, had a crazy reaction when he realized Asriel was a combination of Asgore and Toriel, it's pretty funny, like the reaction was pretty much "Asgore and Toriel made Asriel OH F"
You REALLY should play undertale.
I 100% AGREE
YUP agreed
I probably should too...
But I'm probably going to finish GTA V story first
@@narrativeless404 finish undertale its shorter :) you could do it in a day or two
@@SCP_FOUNDATION_O5_COUNCIL The only paid game i have is GTA V
If i want to get Undertale, i have to pirate it
Oh and btw
GTA VI just got announced
I've never really thought of Chara as evil. When I became sufficiently familiar with the lore to form my own opinion, I came to the conclusion they just needed therapy. Lots and lots of therapy.
So does Flowey, heck the whole Dreemurr family needs it
Incorrect EVERYONE IN THE UNDERGROUND DOES
This video not only managed to get me out of my 'CHARA is the devil of Undertale' phase (which admittedly every Undertale fan goes through at some point), but it also made me appreciate Toby Fox and his way of storytelling more then I already did.
Undertale is also the game responsible for breaking me out of my 'if a game is sprites, it's bad and old' phase and I'm so glad it did! Undertale will always be one of my most remembered games for that alone!
I always blamed myself lol. I killed Toriel and almost cried basically lol
I didn't go through it in the first place
Actually - the only part of Undertale that requires S K I L L is Genocide run.
As long as you're on Pacifist - the gameplay is pretty intuitive and reasonably easy, with only a few battles that might take some good few tries.
But overall - it's all just muscle memory and patterns!
I struggled with nearly everything until I realised that I could just run away… there were a lot of deaths to undyne needless to say
@@wow-roblox8370 Undyne is stronger than Sans
Even on Pacifist
Let alone genocide
I've heard that part of the villification was due to "SINCE WHEN WERE YOU THE ONE IN CONTROL?" being taken in the sense of them pulling the strings the entire time and the other part is due to how much harder it is to say the audience is responsible in a less interactive medium.
Deltarune would answer these complaints with its new human Kris, who is much shadier but also highlights how much of a bad influence the player is. Going through Chapter 1 results in neighbours praising them for being more friendly, which *sounds* like a good thing until you realize it's not due to character development, they're unintentionally implying they'd rather have a copycat instead. Meanwhile, going for 100% on a pacifist route results in traumatizing Kris as you deliberately ignore all the obvious signs. And as shady as they are, the things the Soul does are too much for their standards.
Yeah, the tricky part is whether or not Frisk and/or Chara are in control or not, in each AU. In some stories, there is implication there is a "player" but it is the rare type (and of course, only mention in no mercy run.
Yeah
Kids playing the game are pretty stupid alone
Even teens and adults get it wrong
Toby's lore delivery is terrible... I know now.
The Sans Fandom is literally *his fault*
@@orianefaton1885 Well, fandom au's and stories aren't as relevant in these kinds of discussions. Flowey's dialogue and the twists at the end of the true pacifist and genocide runs kind of show that YOU are a relevant part of the story
@@narrativeless404 Bro is trying to be a Toby Fox hater and failing!
All stories will have people missintrepeting them. Undertale is very mysterious on porpuse. It's not bad lore delivery if it's supposed to be hidden and if the community's fault for spreading missinfo.
Also, it's literally not his fault that people did what they did to the funny bone man
Please watch the sequel as well. It's just as good as this one.
It's called:
Undertale - CHARA Theory [FOLLOWUP]
5:15 There are three entities involved in playing Undertale, Frisk the body that is puppeted through the underground, Chara a spirit that follows Frisk through the underground, and you the player the one who pulls Frisk's strings.
6:10 more specifically what you name Chara at the beginning of the game is on the stats menu.
9:06 There is a lot of meaning behind the Dreemurr name, in fact there is so much that it'll be better if you just look up the meaning behind all the Dreemurr's names yourself.
15:55 one of Asgores bigger things is that he likes tea a lot
16:06 yes
21:58 That is not a bad hypnosis, we don't have any evidence of other humans besides Kris existing in Deltarune, and we do know that Asriel is alive, from my knowledge this could very much be an actual possibility.
Thinking Chara is pure evil is the first reaction of every undertale fan, once you start looking at the evidence that idea starts to lose strenght and disapear, however, while i do not believe at all that Chara is evil, they aren't pure good either, wich i feel It's important to remember.
i no longer remember what my reaction to Chara was when i first saw them but i dont think i saw them as evil. but i dont remember so, eh.
Yeah, I don't think I thought them as evil, since I fully realise that a person playing no mercy is the bad guy in the story. Although I often try to recognise the reasons of the villains in games. Especially if I'm the bad guy.
If you think Chara being semi-conscious when being buried is too far, keep in mind that the games creator also worked on Homestuck where stuff like that is a common occurrence.
its STILL ongoing debate in undertale fandom, but I prefer good Chara over evil one. Still, demon child is a great antagonist, and I can understand why lot of fanworks take full advantage of that
I like good Chara, and well intentioned but still a dumb kid Chara.
Well Chara does become a demon child in the end of the game.. plus i feel mostly bad for Chara than any other character even their theme music is so good!
@@GeminiMyst are you talking about megalo strike back? because it isnt canon Chara theme, its from Tobys first game. Though I agree that its amazing , and find it funny that entire UT fandom (including me) decided its their theme
I like neutral-ish chara where they do mean well,but isnt a morally good person Dosent mean theyre evil just kinda messed up, but good chara is good
pure Evil chara is something That needs to die for good
I love a good Chara story, but I also like a 'Chara is a child who became a megalomaniac after a genocide ending and now wants to kill everyone' storyline if it is done well. One that immediately comes to mind is "Ask Frisk and Company" which is still technically ongoing, but there hasn't been much progress in it recently. It is about Frisk starting an ask blog and some shenanigans that follow.
This is actually still a pretty hotly debated topic in the fandom from what I've heard. I personally... mostly agree with this video, though I wouldn't take their innocence to quite the extreme that they sometimes do in the video.
i mean they are. They weren't the best person like what Asriel said but they aren't a villain or just straight up evil. Being basically brainwashed in the genocide route doesn't count
@@stephaniejohnson5361 i think the comment about Chara not being the "best person" is cause how much hate Chara had for humanity and how the idea they cane up with was reckless and put asriel through a lot of pain. Chara isn't evil, but they also aren't perfect. Which i think is what makes them so compelling, characters with flaws are far more interesting imo.
@@DizzyTheWizzy Alot of that can be chalked up to Chara being a child and not them being a bad person. Asriel themself agreed to the plan but only backed out near the end. Chara was most likely a victim before falling in the underground so they're hatred for humanity makes sense
@@stephaniejohnson5361 I never said it made them a bad person, just a flawed one. Just pointing out that even if Chara's intentions were good, they were still wrong actions. I feel as though they let their hatred for humanity lead them too much which is what made Chara bring their own body to the surface. Chara wanted to show Asriel how humans were, but inadvertently got their brother killed. While unintentional, it still was wrong. If Chara had perhaps set her hatred for humanity aside, they might have lived and possibly freed everyone. There's a lot of layers to this, and Undertale is a game about forgiveness and second chances and Chara's wrongs aren't any worse than other characters' so I still feel as tho they are just as deserving for forgiveness and second chances.
I mean, where like she said, are any character in undertale good? Undyne was quite racist while screaming about wanting to kill a child for a war.
-
That just make me think if Chara somehow survived(with they wouldn't if Undertale really was 100 years after Chara fell), would Chara also learn that humans aren't that bad in pacifist, and let their hate go? Probably, I'll think they be better at it than Sans, who even in a pcifist route say he would be dead if he didn't do the promise.
-
People miss it out in storyshift, by making Chara too similar to Sans, intead of the traumatized one that hates humanity
"Despite everything, it's still you" is a line that had so much impact and I suggest watching "How Undertale (Accidentally) Broke Me" by Schaffrillas Productions to explain a bit of Undertale's narrative as a 4th wall breaking game.
I like this theory specifically because it HAS to involve YOU into the story. I love the idea of a player, an outside force, just being present at all times in the story. Makes me feel special, even if it is in a genocidal and/or psychotic manner most of the time
34:05
it's not explicitly stated that this is chara, and i don't personally believe that it is due a particular word choice.
"interesting"
chara is not known for using this word and was just shown to prefer the term "curious"
but you know who is associated with this term?
ENTRY NUMBER SEVENTEEN
DARK DARKER YET DARKER
THE DARKNESS KEEPS GROWING
THE SHADOWS CUTTING DEEPER
PHOTON READINGS NEGATIVE
THIS NEXT EXPERIMENT
SEEMS
VERY
VERY
INTERESTING
…
WHAT DO YOU TWO THINK
it would explain where he got that red soul from in deltarune
I’m just gonna say this, No chara isn’t evil but that doesn’t matter because if you’re making a fan-work (fan art, fan fiction, etc) having the LITERAL DEMON CHILD with void eyes who jumpscares you as the sadistic villain works really well.
This is why so many fan-interpretations of chara are so hateful, we don’t think chara is evil but we like to write them as evil because they make an effective villain/antagonist
The "great" thing is that chara becomes a evil demon child at the end and after a no mercy run, which means all evil chara versions are still valid and lore friendly.
What about the literal demon goat man with a crimson trident who's killed six of you already?
@@ModernAegis i mean he is sad and tragic
though mostly people give less a thing on him
unless you count underfell and Gztale
@@Deflamed_Sphere The latter, I'm not familiar with. Do tell.
@@ModernAegisi mean if you want an evil asgore story
those two have their asgore being cruel and evil
like fell asgore poisoned chara in their universe on purpose , punish those who stand up to him like paps, nearly killed sans, invented this kill or be killed thing to the monsters.
Gztale asgore fits more in your criteria on him being pure evil by killing six children (though some of them he didn’t kill but he did order them to kill, and he is happy to have them dead, he hired paps for this reason, and that paps killed a human with no hesitation )
making an effective villain/antagonist
but yeah that is all.
A Pacifist Run is when you go out of your way to spare everyone you come across, a Genocide Run is when you go out of your way to kill everyone you can find while a Neutral Run is basically variations of different decisions you made through the game. I've seen people online trying to justify the Genocide Run but honestly it can't be justified as a good thing since you can't enter the Genocide Run even if you kill everything in your way, you have to intentionally go out of your way to kill everything in each area to enter the Genocide Run.
And truth be told even the Pacifist Run isn't exactly perfect either since in order for monsters to reach the Surface they needed the human souls that goes without saying were acquired by less than peaceful means. In other words even the good ending isn't possible without sacrifice.
Yeah... Like, I think there even was a shift in how the fandom call the genocide run, because of the fact that it may cause problem with social media to use that term (despite the fact it is very much what you are doing as the player).
Originally, "No mercy" just refered to a Nuetral run where you always spare "Fight" / Never press "Mercy". It was not like the genocide where, as far as I gathered (I refuse to do anything other than Pacifist), you have to actively go out of your way to do a genocide run. You can't do this one on accident.
As for the endings. Yeah, they have a lot of variations. I think pacifist has like 3, True, normal, and post-genocide. Genocide, I'm not sure, but at least 2. Then there's neutral, the most underrated route in the game despite having the most endings by far. I'm pretty sure it has over 20 or 30 endings depending on how many or how few monsters you kill as well as who. (Yes, there's endings for if you kill just one important monster, like only killing papyrus, or only killing toriel). There's even a whole au based on one of the endings called horrortale.
I think there's something like 78 endings total, which really puts into perspective just how many neutral endings there are ^^'
Which ending is Horrortale based on tho?
@@irishuisman1450 the one where undyne becomes queen. Actually, think it's the timeline where only asgore is killed...maybe
@@omexyl1752 I thought Toriel just comes back as Queen if only Asgore dies?
I think it's the one where you only kill a few normal monsters. @@omexyl1752
man, i remember watching this video a few months after it came out, and just witnessing how the fandom (in amino, no less) changed their stance on chara slowly but surely
Chara Is Defintelly An Antagonist, But Not The Villain And She Is An Antagonist ONLY BECAUSE OF YOU. At Start She Was Anti - Hero + Dark Hero Broken Child With Hatred To Humanity And Wanted To Save Monsters, But When You Completeing Genocide Run Chara's Ghost Combining With YOURE Determination.
"Youre Power Resurrected Me" So:
If You Completeing Good Route Chara Acting More Hopefull As A Ghost And Narrator YOURE NARRATOR, But In Genocide Route Chara's Ghost Enjoys Violence Because Her Acting As A Ghost Depends On YOURE Determination Cause Only Youre DT Holds Her In Tge World [She Also Had DT Soul]
6:56 funny about that, there is an unused sprite of a frisk/chara like sprite with hair over its eyes and the protagonist of deltarune, Kris, has hair over its eyes
6:58 Wait a second... is that why Kris from Deltarune has their eyes shadowed by their hair unless they're the one in control?!
Undertale is very forgiving and compared to most “bullet hell” games is quite easy, the hardest parts are… not required for the happy ending
WE (The players) are the villain
Our decision to do Genocide
Tsunder-Plane is Tsundere Airplane
Chara is still the Antagonist but they aren't the Villain, they want to stop US
didnt chara erase a timeline?
@@robertcampbell7391 and tried to wipe out humanity
even asriel said chara is not the greatest person.
ehh not a villain more like anti hero or smt
@@Deflamed_Sphere when they erased the timeline they succeeded in wiping out humanity so they got what they wanted in the end
@@Deflamed_Spherehate humanity but don’t want to kill but the reason Chara have to kill because chara just want to show asriel how cruel humanity is and need him to fight if he don’t fight he will die
@@robertcampbell7391No Because We all Destroyed everything but we don’t erase so Chara don’t understand because Chara help us to win sans win asgore win flowey But You Still don’t want to erase even there’s nothing left So Chara Erase the world by themself
Asriel Dreemurr = (Scrambled) Serial Murderer
Toriel = (Tu)torial (former Murderer?)
Asgore = (Latin for) Reluctant Murderer
Enjoy the fact that these are the literal reasons for these naming schemes.
Edit: and in response to the 'Absolute God of Hyperdeath'... I mean, technically speaking, he has killed literally everybody in every way. He has 'Read every book and burned every book.' For perspective, this means he has literally done everything in this groundhog day of existence in the underground. He did everything the players do and more, but without a ghost (player) guiding him. So hyperdeath is fitting.
Oh god Amino. It's the first social media I've ever been on. I used to do everything on Amino. I posted all my content on Amino. I created a few Amino communities. I met my first online friends on Amino.
I probably wouldn't be who I am if it wasn't for Amino. Also the first Amino community I ever joined, the one that made me download Amino in the first place, it's the official Glitchtale Amino.
And then, inspired by Glitchtale, I made my first real creative project ever and later my first Amino community based on it, the Reunitale AU. It was a stepping stone in my journey as a creator since it was the very first one.
I still have Amino to this day. There are way too many memories, posts, and friends on there for me to leave, though I'm not nearly as active as I used to be. It's just not the same anymore.
The interesting thing is, I actually went for something very similar in my own Undertale fanfic (which, admittedly, was written _after_ this video came out and I have been thoroughly indoctrinated into the "Chara is not a living ball of pure evil" camp). Basically, to put it in short, the first genocide was done by Frisk (who's standing in for the player, same thing was done with Glitchtale) just out of curiosity, and then all the subsequent nonsense is Chara (at least in their own twisted mind) giving Frisk the exact kinda punishment they deserve: forcing them to watch as everyone dies over and over again, as they can do nothing about it because their soul doesn't belong to them anymore. Of course, there's some other complications involving hate (ported in straight from Glitchtale) and Frisk willingly going through more genocides to directly meet Chara and take their soul back before Chara takes full control and goes on an endless genocide loop, as well as some funky custom lore I cooked up, but that's basically it as far as the relevance to this video goes.
If anyone wants to check it out, it's on Archive of Our Own. It's called UnderVow. People who read it have been liking it, so... yeah.
You should check out Underpants, the best Undertale animations.
this title sounds goofy as fuc* but it is actually a funny animation to watch
@@onigiri8354It is.
Well their last name is also able to be rearranged to form 'murderer', so Asriel dremurr is 'serial murderer'
If your gonna react to more undertale video essays(witch i hope you do), i highly recommend Who is Gaster and why that matters to deltarune by misty sprinkles
Its a good video explaining who and what gaster is,why the fandom loves him,and it will give you a idea on what deltarune is about
If you do a second pacifist run, the characters will say "You look board. " or "You seen/heard this before haven't you." This only happens if you do a pacifist run twice, not a pacifist to no mercy to pacifist.
wich characters? when?
@@lamaoma First time meeting sans again, and mettaton's play.
@@johnny2199 you dont have to do second pacifist route to get that! you can just load after seing it once, no need to reset
I should mention the Tea thing just comes from Asgore and possibly the other Dreemurr's in general liking Golden Flower tea.
The game is not that high skill unless you do no mercy. Its also not that long, i would say i would enjoy watching you play it.
I second this. I consider myself to have mediocre reflexes, and I only had trouble with a couple fights. I think the experience is worth it, even if you get a few game overs :)
I would also mention that neither the Genocide or Pacifist Run are routes which you can access by accident. The neutral route is default but for pacifist you have at least the neutral route at least finished once and also backtracking to befriend some of the characters. The genocide run is also one where you basically spend a lot of time walking in a single area to fight and kill monsters until there aren't anymore. There are also multiple parts in the Genocide Route where you still have the choice to leave it and have a Neutral run again.
Which means whether you are a pacifist or genocidal murderer is technically never am accident but an active choice you have and make.
"Someone must have deep dived"
Andrew Cunningham has analyzed and read every single narration text to make one video
Also people have basically ripped every piece of code to shreds to find anything they can about Undertale
This video changed a lot of our opinions back in the day.
44:00
Just because you got a kinder and overall better ending, it doesn’t mean your horrible actions weren’t erased.
This person's video is 100% great and definitely my favorite read of Chara's character, if perhaps understating just how corrupted by the player Chara gets during the Genocide route (pretty much the moment the Genocide route 'music' kicks in, even way back in the Ruins, Chara's narration has already shifted color from white to occasionally red and the save points start listing 'how many monsters left' so um. I believe strongly in Chara being a good egg but I also heavily suspect monster dust + LV is like, IDK an addictive drug or something because the only hesitance you really get from Chara past that is with the Dremurrs -and Undyne is less hesitance and seems to more them being absolutely hyped at seeing a True Heroine and then falling quiet when they realize you're winning).
That said, having been an Undertale and Undertale fanwork fan since around the time this video came out, I think part of people saw Chara as evil also had a lot to do with how Chara's contributions were incredibly subtle aside from the Genocide ending stuff, and players were often distracted by the twist that they were not playing Chara but Frisk; start of the game you're asked to 'Name the Fallen Human'. This human is 'Chara' whereas Frisk's name is not able to be changed and is only able to be learned at the end of the True Pacifist route AFTER players are already reeling from learning that they aren't the 'Chara'cter that they named, and said kid's death wasn't an accident, and well not a lot of people tend to think of game plots and characters logically so much as through feels and boy does the name 'Chara' get associated with bad things in the True Lab and Flowey towards the end there.
...Also I don't think people realize how awful death by buttercup poisoning is (thing about buttercup poison is it's a contact burning/blister causing poison mostly there to cause things trying to eat it to go 'ouch' and stop, so to actually die from it would require DAYS of internal agony, actively continuing to eat the very painful flowers, and if you stopped at any point before the blisters on your insides popped you could still probably be saved from death -if admittedly with permanent health problems- So yeah. THAT'S how determined Chara had to be to die, and like. There's not a whole lot of reason to die like that in the Underground filled with ledges, rocks and even blunt knives unless death by buttercup induced agony was the point -Chara REALLY didn't take accidentally poisoning Asgore well at all I don't think... D'= )
(Side note: ...I do kinda think Chara manipulated Asriel into helping them commit suicide sadly. Not as a 'master manipulator mwahaha' kinda thing but just... As a very hurt, very guilt ridden and emotionally messed up kid feeling that what they're trying to do is their ONLY way to set things right and insisting the other kid goes along with their terrible idea because 'you trust me right? You said you'd always trust me' and like. That's some pretty damn heavy stuff to deal with when you're like 8 and slow enough on the uptake that you didn't realize going to get the other six souls would presumably involve murder. Damn sad stuff all around honestly).
That said, I'm very glad to see that for the most part videos like this and the plot stuff in Deltarune (where the player being the villain is much more blatant) seem to have helped a lot more of the Undertale fandom to recognize Chara as the well intentioned helpful narrator in all routes they are as well as the 'corrupted red narrator' they are only in that one very specific route, if only because holy hell were the fanworks overdosing on evil Chara back then; forget how messed up the 'victim blaming/scape goating' of Chara is, the real sin was how omnipresent that idea was... >__
"Basically a Pharaoh in a puzzle box, if you catch my meaning."
...It's TIME... To D-D-D-D-... D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-DUEL!😂😂😂
Undertale doesn’t require skill it requires DETERMINATION…
And skill
Not thunderplane, TSUNderplane, as in, a tsundere plane monster. Yes, it is weird.
Say... There is a small little fun series that has Chara in it and they fight a few other Undertale fan work characters.
Its called 'Interlopers' a series where Chara finds Buddy, A character from Lisa the Painful and its DLC Lisa the Joyful. After finding common ground, they traverse together fighting other characters, such as Betty, Asriel and Frisk. Its a multi animator project and its really fun. You don't even have to be too well versed in knowing Lisa to see it :)
While it’s true Asgore uses responsibility to justify himself he never fully commits. Toriel even points this out that he could’ve easily just used one soul, crossed the barrier, and come back with the required amount. Instead he waited for humans to come to him instead letting his people wait because he’s not a violent person and only wants to have his family back.
That would Just started another war immediately
Its a stupid move and asgore knows that
@@Jpx0999 That was kind of the idea. Undyne was quite excited about it.
Toriel forgot for a moment how monsters really don’t really like doing fatal violence at all. It is pretty much against their nature. That or it shows her bias against Asgore, despite her bailing on her own duties.
@@CountDVB The thing is it was Asgore’s idea and Undyne is quite happy with attacking children, as well as every other enemy encounter. Toriel isn’t flawless but her reasons for leaving are completely valid.
Chara After Committing My 6th Genocide: Why..... Just why do you keep Doing this....
Me: Jerry...... Goddamn Jerry i needed the Stats to kill the damn Jerry
Chara: Understood have a great day
I'd say definitely check out handplates, features faster sans and papyrus. If so go for a season 1 bundle
oh this video. and yes they did. altho they called themselves the demon sooo eh, edgy child talk backfired. also undertale isn't that hard of a game, unless you kill people then you suffer.
Seeing as Asriel called himself "the god of hyper death" and the popular interpretation is that that's his edgy OC, it's a bit unfair to assume "the demon that comes when you call their name" is actually serious 😂
Dreemurr is an anagram for Murderer
9:25 That was so out of the blue and I LOVE IT 😭
Buttercup poisoning is a VERY real thing, and it’s very deadly to both humans (Chara)…and *goats* (Asgore)
don’t get me wrong Chara is not evil yes but they are not fully innocent either
This kinda reminds me of Kieran from the Pokémon Scarlet and Violet DLC. I saw people getting annoyed because he's "selfish" and stands in our way.
But he only does so because we, his only friend, lied to him and took the side of his toxic sister who mentally abuses him. This is our fault. Well, also Carmine's because she proposed the idea and she sucks. But we accepted to lie to Kieran. We're also responsible. People just don't like getting consequences for their actions.
The thing Game Freak did wrong here is that lying to him is not an option. This choice is forced upon us, even if we don't want to lie to him, and we're forced to see him descend into an obsession for more power since he feels betrayed and alone.
This is an incredible story and character arc. But if we didn't want to lie to him and want to be there for him, we can't. We have to keep lying because the game forces us to. And it's sad to see him go down this dark path, but unlike in Undertale, there's nothing we can do. The game makes us go through the consequences of a choice that wasn't ours. And that sucks.
They should have given us the choice to lie to him or not, giving him a happier ending if we decided to be honest to him. That's something a lot of people, including me, wanted to do.
And if we decide to lie, the story is what it is in the DLC. But the people who lied would deserve the consequences since it truly was their choice, unlike in the actual DLC.
If feel i should comment this even if its months late but in the ending of the True Pasifisc run Flowey pops up after all the end Credits and mentions how everyone seems happy to be on the surface. They asked why you there since its the end and before they say goodbye to Chara they specifically say to us that we should let them be. He in a off handed way pleads to us too not reset and moce on to other things.
Asriel dreemurr = serial murderer. Now you can't unknow it...
Chara, Amy Rose, and Chihiro Fujisaki.
The Triforce of Litmus Test Characters.
I get Chara and Chihiro, but could you explain how Amy fits in?
@@--CHARLIE-- Amy Rose is written either as a cheerful and energetic go-getter, a team mom karen, or an abusive yandere.
Only people who write the first kind can be trusted.
its more that chara was a convenient villain. most rpgs restrict consequences to that playthrough or save and when reprimanding the players actions its kept to the player charaacter which in this case would be frisk. having this previously unnoticed character show up and say since when were you in control only on the evil route makes it easy to pass the blame to chara as unless you saw this video first or extensively analyzed the game as you played youd likely not know theyre there.
I prefer the 'Chara is evil because of your actions' theory.
The bullet patterns are probably the easiest part in UNDERTALE. Since you can always fill your inventory with healing items from the nearest shop. The puzzles in this game are not insanely difficult except for maybe one or two exceptions. (Hotland vent puzzle.) You’ll probably be able to beat the game pretty easily. All of the above does not apply to Genocide.
Toby designed the neutral and pacifist routes to be easy so people with low skill can still enjoy them. I‘m sure my Mom who never played a video game before could beat it eventually.
If you'd like a little hope about the Asriel thing. There was originally going to be an Undertale clock app, which under certain conditions would reveal little skits and lore scenes. The app was cancelled but Toby Fox did release the dialogue of all the events. In one of them (after True Pacifist) there's a cute moment where Flowey helps Toriel. Of course it's Flowey so he spends the entire time basically bad mouthing her and showing how he "totally doesn't care", but it's quite clear he does. Taking that into account and the fact he seems to be getting his emotions back towards the end of Genocide, and I really do think that with enough time his situation is going to improve.
Also if you ever hear about Chara and Asriel always filling up glasses of water until they're just over the brim to maximize efficiency (and leading to many accidental spills), that's also from the clock app.
The issue of so many evil routes feeling lazy or unfinished has always really bothered me. Although as I've also talked about, so many times they often feel less like an evil route and more like a jerk route. That's the big reason I've never done Renegade Shepard, as everything I've read has basically described it as being a jerk while also focusing solely on humanity with little-to-no regard for any other species. Basically the anti-Chara funnily enough. Thematically I find that unpalattable (and I'm not usually that big on humanity in most settings myself), so yeah, Renegade had zero appeal for me. But if there had been like a route to betray everyone and form my own cosmic empire, or use the reapers to purge all life, or something like that I'd do it in a heartbeat! So basically I think it's important to differentiate between "types" of evil and not just whether people pick good or bad options.
I'm also now very interested in what percentage of players picks each of the final options as well. I kind of suspect that "Do Not" is more common which I find disappointing. It's like trying to score a couple points at the very last second. Like you burned down the building but at least tipped the driver for your getaway taxi so you're not a bad person. Just feels kinda cowardly I guess; you're a destroyer of worlds now, have some pride!
On that note, if you do end up playing it, I'd personally recommend at least giving the early Genocide run a try before watching someone else do it. As while it's one of my favorite things to see people's reactions to, I feel like watching it doesn't really get across the more calming side of it. Maybe it's just me, but going back and forth as the slower music plays is incredibly relaxing and kind of cozy, and watching it really doesn't express that side of it. I can 100% see bailing before the end for many reasons (the final area can best be described as "SOUL-Crushing Tedium") but I can't overstate how much I love the atmosphere in the early areas. Also, perhaps unpopular opinion, but I find the Genocide version of Snowdin considerably funnier than the Pacifist/Neutral version. That's something else that doesn't get brought up; the sad and intense moments obviously get plenty of focus, but a good chunk of the game's funniest lines are actually Genocide-exclusive as well. Burgerpants' conversation is especially amazing.
As for deepdiving into how it works. As far as I know there are two variations of the Genocide ending. Both of which were shown in this. More interestingly, Sans actually has two unique intros outside of the normal ones based off your deaths. If you kill him and then reset the game without saving so you can kill him again, he'll comment that you're kind of a freak. Do it AGAIN after that and he'll be so disgusted he doesn't even want to talk to you I believe. I sadly have done this, it was as painful as you imagine. It also furthers the Flowey connection; I saved over his death so I could kill him over and over, which is what Flowey threatens to do to you at one point. There isn't anything for multiple pacifists (although you can get subtle changes to pacifist based on certain battle actions), however if you defeat Sans and get a bit further, then quit Genocide and do neutral/pacifist, Flowey will get really angry and confused, before deciding you just want to play around and having a little friendly moment between you that I really like. It was also the first combo of routes I ever did, so that scene has a lot of significance to me personally.
And I totally do the resetting over dialogue choices thing too. It's why I really dislike options that change tone considerably from the option to the spoken version, which is way more common than you'd think!
And yes; it's made very clear that Asriel's boss form is his super awesome OC. It's even more apparent in Japanese, as apparently he takes on a more threatening speech pattern then as his cool breaks slowly loses it and goes back to his normal one.
A fun fact about the no mercy route is that it is VERY grindy to complete it since you have to get encounters in every area until nobody comes, and if you miss even a single monster, it will put you on the gray path to make it worse is that the more you kill the lower the spawn rate
ya you have to go out of you way do no mercy
Kinda funny how almost all of undertale fan comics I find is literally just from Tumblr.
Also want to add in: Tumblr survived the hellhole that is the internet by not getting worse. Reddit has killed the API, Twitter has Elon over there and facebook is facebook. Here in Tumblr we have: a pink blob that can make anything a threat, a pikachu (or well pukicho) that has pandora's box in their inbox, OSHA, who got charged with impersonating a government entity and got the blog deleted.
Tumblr has welcomed the refugees and they will keep their whimsical nature until they get eventually deleted and then all of Tumblr migrate to a single google doc.
butterscotch-cinnamon pie is a very important(not really) item in Undertale given to the player by Toriel who is the first nice character we meet
(This one is a spoiler)The name you enter at the beginning of the game isn't yours, it is Chara's
The game remembers what you did before, if you lets say accidentally kill Toriel and reset, Flowey will comment on it. It is also implied that Sans knows about Resets, he doesn't know when that happens but still knows of its existence.
If you keep Resetting instead of a True Reset(which can only happen after a True Pacifist run), Flowey will remember talking to you, Toriel will have Dejavu about you liking Butterscotch Pie or Cinnamon Pie.
I think i recommended this on your "What the Internet Did to Undertale" reaction, but i will do so again: highly recommend Andrew Cunningham's video "What was so good about Undertale, Anyway?". It goes down some entertaining rabbit holes in the pursuit of answering that question, with a conclusion that still blew me away despite being *very* into Undertale for quite some time
(also the video has been out for a year and a grand total of 1 person has reacted to it, im desperate for more XD)
The genocide route is a pretty special route evry monster are fighting to get your soul but them you see toriel that fights to see if you are capable of proyect yourself but in one blow you killed her something she never expected, papyrus that only fight you to make you change your mind that its a better way, sans that the only porpouse of his fight is that you made a reset, asgore that even knowing everything he tell you theres no need to fight and chara that is fighting to put consequences of your own actions
"dreaming about not being a dead flower" *I Am Wheezing*
I hate the people that use "Chara is much more prevalent on the genocide route" as an argument. Like, a character HAS to be more prevalent in an ending than on another, that's just how screen time works. Plus, of course the dead corpse of the weird first human coming back to life to frighten you would be in the genocide route, that thing is creepypasta-like! The pacifist route i already about Asriel and the Neutrals about several different characters, it's just unfortunate that Chara got their spot on the genocide to scare the player, as the route does many times.
Look I suck at bullet hells and i completed this game on a full pacifist run thrice. There's an in game easy armor that also scales down with price due to how many times you die, but there's a bonus to helping a character of you buy it.
Does that mean papyrus is sad than, because he laughs when he says I’m the great Papyrus neheheh ?
Maybe, because he’s lying to himself
Yo heya loved the reaction very good you should do underverse at some point
I highly agree with this comment
@@onigiri8354 yay
Hope is HP
Dreams might be Asriel and Chara (Dreemur, as Chara was pretty much adopted by the dreemurs)
If you want to play it, its only in the genocide route that the difficulty crashes the ceiling, the other two routes are quite easy, besides it's a relatively short game, I'm pretty sure you can complete-it in a few days.
9:20 Yeah, that
And also it's an anagram of a word "murderer"
So that you can go with Asriel Dreemurr being a "seriAl murDerer"
Hehe
Most if not all character names in this game are just puns about their characterization
21:58 Naah
Deltarune is a completely different story - Monsters can't do magic and Chare isn't around
27:02 Yep, ur wrong
Asriel stays as Flowey forever
29:08 No, it's not like that
Sans fights Frisk, Chara just takes over to deal the final blow
But the fight is basically just Frisk vs Sans, and Frisk looks like Frisk the entire time
Could you check out "Is sams depressed?" Its such a good character study
You should probably check out The sequel to this episode
Undertale - chara theory [follow-up]
I love watvhing ur videos and seeing ur insight on things
Please, at least try the game! Its great, even if its just the start, you can do it! There's nothing to lose!
Undertale fans be like: “chara is an evil genocidal maniac” my brother in Christ YOU chose to do the genocide run
The player didn't even exist
You should watch inverted fate.
Please note that most of inverted date is a web comic that is extremely important to the story
May I suggest the video “who is dr gaster and why he matters to deltarune”by misty sparkles you can wait a bit if you want.if you don’t want look a little deeper into deltarune for a bit.
in case you want more undertale in general before that but I highly recommend it for both undertale and deltarune when you have the chance.
Also maybe a undertale ost and a deltarune ost reaction stream or video would be nice if you haven’t listened to any or much of the soundtrack especially for deltarune.
Btw very good video
So @Airier what’s next on your Undertale Playlist or could you link it? I want to know what to expect next week.
Was the pharoh in a puzzle box a Yu-Gi-Oh reference
just a heads up airier the actual game of Undertale and deltarune are VERY casual friendly excluding genocide run bosses and secret bosses that you don't need to enjoy the game you could play them and get through them with relative ease if you wanted to tbh
If you think the reruns for genocide are crazy, you should see the neutral endings! I think there are 20+(?) different variations for a neutral path (plus a bunch of neutral run judgement dialogue), along with pacifist/soulless pacifist + genocide. (Based on what i know)
42:48
There’s a theory this game is related to Earthbound?
Now that you are done with Glitchtale and learned more about Chara, you should watch Underverse to learn about to the AUs more. You can watch Xtale first to learn more about Underverse itself and how the events came to be, but you don't really need to.
41:28 YES YES YES! I have done this SO MANY times! Airier thank you! I thought I was the crazy one!
God i love the consequences of genocide is a smile and a edited photo damn chara your entire family and the rest of the monsters equal 1 edited picture and 1 happy face what a weirdo
i remember this video
Honestly never did Genocide route run watched it sure made me sick I noticed there was a narrator in battles figured it was Chara from Geno runs
6:17 The name on the stats is whatever name you put at the begining of the playtrough when the game ask you to "Name the fallen child", every mention of Chara gets remplace by whatever name you put in there, the reason everyone knows their real name is Chara is that if you write Chara when the game ask you to name the fallen child a text apears saing "The true name" there are other funny dialogs that can apear if you try naming them as other Characters.
9:21 Dreemur is also an anagram for Murderer, Asgore an anagram for Sage_or, Asriel an anagram for Serial y Toriel is a pun on TUtoriAl, Toby fox(Undertale and Deltarune(also anagrams of each other) creator) aparently loves word plays like those.
The person playing the game is canon to Undertale story, so Chara is not the one controlling Frisk, the one playing is canonically controlling them, many people can choose to ignore this as there are few dialogs that confirm this. Not necesarelly relate but Deltarune made sure to put abundance evidence to show whitout any doubt that the player is canonically controling the protagonist, probably against their will.
Shall we help explain how the true endings but in this case more important how the true pacifist ending is achieved?
Nice episode.
You should start getting into the deltarune fandom now. Just to dig a bigger rabbit hole.
Skill is nice but unnecessary for playing undertale. Determination is far more important.
Chara wasn't hated, but the fandom basically treated Chara as the entity who performs the Genocide Route.
Love from a Vaush and DoobusGoobus fan!
You should play Deltarune on your gaming Channel it’s less difficult than Undertale
While this request isn't related to Undertale, it's worth watching I feel, cuz it's super interesting. I recommend reacting to "The Decade Long Quest For Shadow of the Colossus' Last Secret" by Jacob Gellar.
Also, "The Engoodening of No Man's Sky" by The Internet Historian.
Both are great watches.
Huh, this was a good video, now i have to watch omori videos to go back to questioning humanity
Me, who knows everything from Osmosis and r34 Lucky for you you know even more than me.