One more secret unmentioned in the video: The Riverman from undertale, who each times tells you a different thing, can potentially say 2 interesting things: 'Beware the man who came from the other world' and 'Beware the man who speaks and hands' (might refer to wingdings)
oooh! During my Undertale play through I got the 'Beware the man who came from the other world' dialogue! It seemed suspicious at the time, but I had no context for it then!
@@hellofizzithere’s a very popular theory that sans and papyrus are from deltarune, and it actually has very solid evidence and explains a bunch of stuff. Some people think sans is the man from the other world, while gaster is the man who speaks in hands
The joke with Heats Flamesman is that he specifically requests that you remember his name. In Deltarune, he even writes a book so people remember his name... yet is still miscredited as Hots Fireguy ALSO, TWO VERY IMPORTANT THINGS THE VIDEO MISSED. If you enter the names Kris, Noelle, or Susie into Gaster's character creator, he will remark that you are "ABOUT TO MEET SOMEONE, VERY, VERY WONDERFUL" And, even crazier, the Garbage Noise plays one more time in Deltarune. If you go to the bunker at the bottom of Hometown, there is a creepy audio file playing from inside it. When sped up by 666%, it is actually the garbage noise
The beauty of DELTARUNE is that it's a game that wants you to ask questions. What is Kris? Who is Dess? Where does this take place? What of the hidden bosses? There's so many weird little things that can lead to huge tangled up cords of connections. There is a ton to explore, but I suggest before any other reaction videos to take a look into the 'Weird Route' of Chapter 2 and the "Spamton Sweepstakes" (most analysis videos may require understanding of these subjects). It's been thrilling to see your steps into the world of DELTARUNE!
*Dess!!!* There are so many questions to ask I lose track of it all. The entire Holiday family is a huge mystery - they have to be very important, it seems like they Holidays and Dreemurs are/ were close at one point? Will be checking out Spamton sweepstakes, weird route, and "alarm clock" dialogue , thank you!
@@hellofizziOH ALSO. Heavily suggest checking out the Papyrus Q&A that was part of the Undertale/Deltarune Newslettera month or two again. The last question and answer is. Pretty interesting
In case you haven't already looked into it, the creepy room is called San's Workshop, unfortunately you can't back track to it at this point, it requires some very specific steps to be taken. Also I have a similar reaction to Asgore's theme. It's really impressive how Toby has managed to blend really good music with an emotional story in a way that creates these really powerful associations. If you're interested in the gaster theme/motif stuff, andrew cunningham has a whole hour long video on it, and quite a few other entertaining undertale/deltarune analysis videos
24:41 I actually want to point out that in the Geno run, Chara explicitly speaks to the player and tells them that THEY are what gave them power and gave them mission to wipe out everything. It’s very likely Chara isn’t meant to be the player exactly, but can be effected by the player just like Kris and Noelle was
Chara is like a narrative mirror of us, talking to us, and calling us out on what kind of person are we It's not necesarily accusatory, it's more so rethorical, philosphical questions on how you feel in your position as a player in relation to the world, what drives you to do things specially if you're a completionist etc. It's like if... eberytime you went out, you put on a costume and acted a certain way, and one day,at home, yur costume comes alive and starts talking to you, acting the way everyone else percieved you and how you played that "character" of yourself and asked you "why?"
yeah, plus also, i think what a lot of people really often miss is that chara does not in fact know theyre in a video game. neither does asriel, or even sans. to chara, they just saw what you were doing and followed suit. they never knew who or what you actually were, let alone suspect they were in a video game
Welp, welcome to the club of "People who think they hear Gaster's Theme in every single song made" (There is an hour video though that does accurately point out the songs basically confirmed to have the Gaster notes). This is a great video that helps explain a lot, however there are some details that are missed: - Since you were curious, the "Grayed out Monster Kid" is a Goner like the other grayed out characters based around Gaster. However this one is interesting as instead of talking about Gaster, he talks about imagining a world where "You didn't exist, but everything played out the same without you". This is likely referencing the fact that the Fun Events don't change the game at all, meaning that you could never meet that npc and nothing would change. Speaking of Goner, that Vessel you create in Deltarune, not only is it grayed out too, but the opening segment of the game is labeled "Goner Maker". - The Sans workshop you were questioning is found in Undertale. I believe if you reload the judgement all scene with Sans 3 times after talking to him, he gives you a key to that room. If you were to try and get it, it would require a reset, so here's what's in the room. There's a machine and like the video said there's blueprints with terrible writing (could be Alphys or could be in Wing Dings we don't know). However in one of the other drawers, there's picture of 3 people, and on the back of the photo it says "Don't Forget". Which in relation to Deltarune, that's name of the end credits song in Chapter 1 and appears multiple times in different tracks. - In both Chapter's 1 and 2, there's a hidden room that can be found between the transition of two areas (Chapter 1 being somewhere in the Scarlet Forest, and Chapter being in the City where you find the Moss). It's random but when you get it, you'll appear in this weird room with a tree in the middle of it. When interacting with the tree, it says that there's a man behind it offering you something. If you accept, the man gives you an....Egg. Then interacting again, it says that the man is no longer there. The "Egg" stays in your inventory even after leaving the Dark World, and you can put it in a location of the town (Asgore's Refrigerator and Sans' Shop). Now you might not think this is related to Gaster at first, however when you put the word "Egg" into Wing Dings, it gives you the hands "Left, Up, Up", which is a movement pattern that a knight piece in chess uses. - The Bunker at the bottom of town has a cool detail. If you get close enough to it, it begins to generate a bunch of noise. When you speed that noise up by 666%, you get the garbage noise sound effect, making people think that Gaster is actually in the Bunker. Great Reaction to it, and if you do future reaction videos to hidden lore of games you'll be able to get a lot better at it.....but just for future note you can go back and forward by 5 seconds on youtube by using the right and left arrow keys and also go frame by frame using the comma and period keys.
Another interesting not about the picture in Sans’s workshop: it doesn’t show up unless you talk to Clam Girl beforehand. Clam girl: the only Undertale NPC that mentions someone named Suzy and the one that teased deltarune’s release a few months before we had any other indication.
There's a lot of good stuff here, the egg though... a commenter was trying to guide me to the egg in my first play through with giving me as little spoilers as possible and I *missed* it... I wonder if Temmie's egg was kind of foreshadowing for future eggs, lol. Thank you for youtube navigation tips too, I appreciate it!
@@hellofizzi ACTUALLY YEAH, I think in chapter 2 if you go back to the classroom Temmie is there, she will count how many eggs you have collected, Temmie is Temmie Chang's game character so it isn't weird that she seems to know much, it's a dev character like the Annoying Dog, except more involved in the game (tho it's because of the dog that specific events happen in Deltarune, he even did donuts in the light world and dark world causing cars to be stuck among many, and causing you to meet spamton in chapter 2)
If you want to know more about gaster's theme there is a video called "Everything About Gaster's Motif in the DELTARUNE Soundtrack - A Musical Mythbusting Odyssey" By Andrew Cunningham Also btw you can use the arrow keys to go back or Forward 5 seconds in videos
It’s fun watching someone not only discover all this for the first time, but actively piece things together. I’ve known all this for a while, but I often forget what it was like to first learn about it. 17:11 That’s the original Starwalker. If you meet them in chapter 1, they’ll go into your inventory in chapter 2 along with Lancer and Rouxls. They’ll also appear at a few random times throughout the chapter.
This video is one of my favorites. I will mention that a popular theorist in the community with half a degree in music theory recently went through and examined all of the Deltarune music to find Gaster's theme, and he found some very interesting things. First of all, it is very present in Lost Girl and Girl Next Door, Noelle's two themes. That is oddly specific and off putting If you want to see more of it you can watch the video. It's by Andrew Cunningham, and his stuff is really good Now you have most of the info available to you! There is the Spamton's Sweepstakes, a charity event based around Spamton that revealed a lot of info about Noelle's past. Unfortunately, I don't know of a good video that documents all of the stuff that happened with that. Hopefully someone in the comments knows one
Andrew Cunningham! His name has popped up a few times here - I will check him out, thank you! Noelle having a connection to Gaster's theme... i'm a little worried about Noelle and the Holidays.
Another important thing to note about the Garbage noise is that it is called "Smile.ogg". Gaster smiles, Jevil smiles, Spamton smiles, there's freaky smiles in the Queen's Basement leading up to the Spamton fight. SMILEs are Gaster's motif. Which makes a certain internet funny guy all-the-more suspicious... ...oh yeah, and the Garbage Noise cuts off at exactly the 6 second mark, and if you stand outside the bunk at the bottom of the town in the Light World you can hear those 6 seconds of Garbage Noise slowed down by -you guessed it- 666%. Gaster being some kind of fallen angel actually totally adds up with how he insane-ify's Spamton. Promising him riches and popularity at the cost of his mind, before tearing it all away from him at the last moment, leaving him damned and insane.
Also addenduming to this, the ending part of _THE WORLD REVOLVING_ is super interesting because- in QUOTING _Don't Forget-_ it loops the part "I'm with you in the dark" *EIGHT. TIMES.* I know Toby loves looping sections once or twice, but *EIGHT TIMES,* that is just SCREAMING at you!
14:53 this room is a hidden room in sans and papyrus's house. if you want to get inside, you'll have to do the following. -play a pacifist run until you reach the last corridor. -save before you meet sans there. -listen to sans's monologue. -reload the game without saving and listen again. -repeat the last step until sans gives you the key to his room. -inside the room, locate the silver key. -walk out of the house and go to the backside of it. -use the key on the door there. i don't really want to spoil what you find inside (even though you kinda already know), so i'll stop there.
thank you! I wonder if this info was datamined or if someone found it the "old-fashioned" way - imagine the surprise on that persons face when their experimental save scumming actually produces results!
@@hellofizzithe game makes it easy to find on your own. once you talk to sans for the second time at the end. he says he notices your facial expressions seem like you have heard him say the same things already. and then he gives you a codeword to tell another version of himself
For your questions about the Weird Route, you can do it on a separate file and it won't effect your other save. At least not in the game as it is now. Who knows what will happen if you continue the Weird Route through the whole game. Also, a very, very interesting fact about the save files. Depending on which of the three files you are using, it changes the contents in Asriel's bedside drawer slightly during Chapter 1. That is currently the only difference between the three files and I can't help but think that it's going to be used for weird meta puzzles later in the game. This has also led people to think that each file might be a slightly different universe. Who knows really
there is a poem hidden in Deltarunes files which describes Gaster and the only person who fits the description is the mysteryman "is that a cut on your face or part of your eye?, the gash weaves down as if you cry, pain itself is the reason why"(I assume Memoryhead wrote the poem as he is the only character that ever uses the phrase "pain itself")
"I wonder if Kris has met Gaster" .... weeeeeell the birdcage they put the soul in does say that it's been used many times, and we even see (blood?) stains by it. And Monster Kid/Snow Drake have that conversation about how they're scared of the bunker because of something to do with Kris. I've thought for awhile now that maybe Gaster did something to Kris's soul and Kris resisted it for a time. And then Gaster brought us in to take over.
I was also wondering is Kris has some kind of bad experience with the bunker after that scene with the other kids played out. The birdcage is a good point too...
Very exciting to see someone doing a lore deep dive after their playthrough. There is actually more lore outside of the game as part of the Spamton Sweepstakes. That was a fundraiser event Toby Fox organized and we got to see more of Spamtons backstory as well as some sneak peaks of Chapter 3. The channel 2 Left Thumbs has a video documenting everything, but you can actually still explore the webpage yourself. Other recommendations would for someone new to Deltarune theorizing would be the Theory basics videos by Browniefox
16:30 that’s actually a good theory and in undertale monsters don’t bleed, but in Deltarune, Susie says they do. But sans does bleed if you end up fighting him
Incase no one’s suggested such, you should try Undertale yellow! (After you go back and try to get the “better ending” Flowey suggested) It’s a really wellmade fangame prequel that has been in development for seven years where you play as the fallen human before the one you play as in normal UT.
You absolutely gotta watch some Andrew Cunningham videos, as others have said. Especially his near authoritative video on what songs DO or DON'T contain Gaster's theme. (in Deltarune specifically, he didn't really find any Undertale examples convincing)
the creator of this video also made a part 2 about everything they missed in this video, i highly recommend it bc they did miss some very important things.
omg i'm loving this already, your enthusiasm for this universe is so contagious, reminds me of the first time i played these games and explored all the hidden lore!!
Regarding Gasters Theme in other songs, Andrew Cunningham made a good, but long video about it, which songs might actually contain Gasters Theme using Music theory. Its called "Everything about Gasters Theme in the Deltarune Soundtrack". Also, I dont know if you know this, but there is an alternate route in Chapter2 similar to Genocide in Undertale. You should definetly look into that too. :)
17:09 The little guy following you in this clip is "Starwalker". He makes around 2-3 appearances in Chapter 2, but the only way to activate them is to find him in Chapter 1 by backtracking after the room with the flying star.
I really hope you enjoyed those 2 wonderful quirky games so far . Btw , now you're in the same boat as us and will have to wait for more info from Toby Fox like waiting for Christmas presents from Santa when you're 4 😂❤❤❤❤❤ 3:30 Oh bean 😂, there are MILLIONS of different drawings for Gaster(and every character from Ut/Dr as well) , just google a character you like and you'll see there are infinite amount of fan work for them. Animations, fan battles, a fully developed fan game, 9000+ not fully developed fan games , separate cannons) A video by ,,SuperEyepatchWolf" would probably get you up to speed whit everything, it's called ,,What the internet did to Undertale" . I know you are not a reaction channel so you don't have to watch it, I'm just recommending it because it's amazing.
There is also the stuff that IIRC the sound that plays when you start chapter one is w.ogg, and for the second chapter, it's d.ogg. When the third chapter comes out, if the chapter start sound is named g.ogg, people will immediately lose their shit.
16:13 this tangent on why undertale context matters in deltarune is so good that I use it to explain other similar cases from games of alternate universes like this when people say "well this isn't X game this is Y game"
as someone who was around since day 0 way back when Undertake became a thing, when i realized that there are people who don't know who Gaster is, i basicly just stop workin, it's like "what do you mean you don't know who the most important person in UT/DR is?"
Holy shit, I did not expect anyone to react to a non-GT UT/DR theory/analysis thing, I'm so glad you picked this out! Love to see the reactions and connections made.
UT/DT has its own very active theorist community and as you probably know, we laugh in the face of game theory since sans is ness, and dark world = dnd.
@@Quartz512_ Oh yeah, I have been very deep in that, I'm even a Patreon supporter for Andrew Cunningham. I have a number of ideas as to why Mat stopped making theories in varying degrees of generosity to his character, but yeah I have been very interested in anyone putting together thoughts on these games.
29:52 It's likely. Ch 2 showed us that Kris has some sort of history with the bunker in town, and if you speed up the ominous droning sound by 666% it plays the Entry 17 "garbage noise".
3:06 You can either use the left/right arrow keys to skip a couple of seconds in the respective direction, or use the comma/period keys to go frame-by-frame in those same directions.
Sans's hidden room is behind his house, you can get the key in any route (except geno) by resetting 3 times after talking to Sans during the judgement section. He'll give you his "password".
I know you said you don't usually do reaction vids like this but if you had fun with it I personally hope you'll do more, because you ask interesting questions and have cool ideas. also your enthusiasm is infectious no matter what you're doing - really cheers me up on a bad day, so thanks for that!
The little dude is the original Starwalker. If you walk back to the beginning of the room where the flying star throws things at you, you’ll see him and if you talk to him, he’ll keep showing up. He’ll even go in your pocket with lancer and roulxs!
This was so fun to watch! I love how engaged and interested you are in all this, it's really cool to see :D I'd totally love to see you react to more Deltarune lore/analysis/theory videos in the future! I definitely recommend Andrew Cunningham and HalfBreadChaos' channels.
26:00 “down there” doesn’t seem that far off from what Dark World are. There’s some evidence that might suggest Dark Worlds have something to do with deep ocean environments, or maybe the ocean in general
I don't really remember this video, so I don't know if it is mentioned later, given that the topic has been brought up recently again, but yeah, people have speculated about Sans and Papyrus coming originally from Deltarune, and then one day appearing in Snowdin. If I remember correctly, something interesting was mentioned in one of the recent newsletters that made people think about this again (Toby came up with different levels of newsletters after Chapter 2 release, and they are mostly seasonal, but you should have seen a rare april 1st newsletter that a random amount of people got for choosing to get notified about literally anything Toby related...) I kinda like the idea, but it is kinda confusing, because of how Deltarune seems to be literally created by Gaster after the events of Undertale, but then there is this time and space confusing as always nonsense, so I guess that is possible I don't know if people already told you about the room with the blueprints, but if you walk behind Sans and Papyrus' house in Undertale, you can find a locked door; and to get a key you need to reach the last corridor during Pacifist, and then reload the dialogue with Sans a few times, without obviously saving the game, or else it will be gone. He will give you a key after a few repeats, and that is how you can unlock that room
Gaster, Kris and Knight strange connections with each other are really confusing at first, since a lot of people don't believe that Kris is the Knight (or that they are more likely A knight), but we can say for sure that Gaster is not the Knight. Their motivations are completely different, there is also a lot of interesting phrases from Gaster if you manipulate your save file in different ways from copying to deleting it entirely (I think you have to do it before you complete chapter 1?), and he is also pretty much interested in the entity (also known as the player, the soul that "possesses" Kris) pushing forward, with him speaking during Chapter 1 game over screen The question becomes "why tf is Kris interested in what the Knight does?", which is opening the Dark Fountains. What I also love about Chapter 2, is that Spamton actually talks to Kris directly from the very beginning, and I honestly missed that for a long time. There is a whole interesting video on UA-cam specifically about his "Hyperlink Blocked" line, that may be something more than a random joke, and is actually a one consistent thing, that keeps getting blocked And then there's is the whole charity event with Spamton that revealed a lot of Noelle and Kris lore, which was honestly such an obscure dream, and that's after I was one of those people who witnessed Gaster hacking Undertale twitter account
32:08 OH, RIGHT!!! "Don't Forget" is actually the exact phrase that is used in that blueprints room from Undertale. There is too many little details like that, I myself don't think about them until it hits me, lol
I haven't seen the video you reacted to untill now and I enjoyed this a lot. The passion for this game and lore is hard to compare to any other game. I like that undertale and deltarune can stand on their own, but leave it to the player to figure things out if they want to. It gives so much more life to the world when you can discover things trough small details. Exploring these games was something special. There are so many good videos and theories for this game and undertale (since they are so connected) that are worth watching. From video analysis on the musical motifs and how they relate to the deltarune lore (A Musical Mythbusting Odyssey from Andrew Cunningham), to hidden storylines that recontextualize the whole story (All about Chara: The hidden protagonist of Undertale) (Who is The True Villain of Undertale?), and meta story analysis (What was so good about UNDERTALE, anyway?). Obviously that's a lot of videos, and you can't watch everything that gets recommended, but I felt like sharing some.
im surprised that the video doesnt have one of the most important connections between Gaster and Deltarune. At the end of chapter 1, when you can walk around the city, there is a bunker to the south. The OST there is some very low pitched noises and nothing more... at least at naked eye, because if we speed up the by 666%, we hear the "garbage sound" or the 17th entry sound
My favourite moment of ALL Deltarune is this one, and I like to think of it as the time the creation met his creator without knowing: - Kris stumbles upon a seemengly normal tree in the dark world - - we check the tree - Kris: there is a man behind that tree. - we conviniently cannot see it - He is offering me something. - we say yes - I take it. It's an egg. - we check the tree again - There is nothing behind that tree. - we fucking leave like nothing happened with a fucking egg that God gave us as a gift - Also I love how both Kris and the Riverman talk about Gaster as a man, not a monster. It fits with the theories that speculate that Sans is/was a human because of the fact that he bleeds in the genocide rute.
Nice to see you explore the game secrets ! Can't wait for you to test Undertale Yellow, Earthbound (One of Undertale Inspirations) or Touhou (The other undertale inspiration) ^^
Earthbound! The amount of times I've started that game and not finished it is *criminal* at this point. It was never anything to do with the game and always something to so with my schedule. I would love to do a play through for YT! I've never heard of Touhou... now I have something new to look into, thank you!
@fizzip0p Yeah Earthbound do be an albeit awesome, lengthy RPG X) As for Touhou Project it is a pretty amazing (albeit highly hard) franchise. You know how Toby made Undertale on his own ? Well While impressive, he did had little help from some other artists (Notably Temmie Chang) and used Game Maker Studio, a pre-existing engine. On the other hand, outside of some of the spinoffs, ZUN, the creator do each Touhou Games, from coding the engine, coding the games, creating and drawing the characters and most of all the Musics on his own, (literally this time). He also, just like Toby Fox has a policy of letting people's make what they want with his characters and work, leading to multiple Touhou Fangames that sometimes even sell on official platforms.
@@hellofizzi Basically, Toby took what he loved in both franchise (Touhou Music and Gameplay and the Mother/Earthbound Games Emotionnal side and storytelling) and expanded on those qualities.
@@hellofizzi I played Earthbound after Undertale, and it was nice to see the references (there are so many). The downside to me was that I found the gameplay a little dated, to the point that it became boring. I needed to push myself a lot to get to the ending. People say Mother 3 is better than Earthbound and that it's also very moving. I haven't played it yet and I know very little about it.
Thank you, My knowledge base for chara is *very limited* as I have not experienced a geno route! I find the character very intriguing already though, so once I've seen a genocide route i'll probably delve more into Chara!
Hey, Misty Sparkles dropped a part 2 recently, you might wanna check it out! It covers stuff she forgot in this vid, and I find it to be very, very, interesting
I don't know why when people talk about tracks with something similar to Gaster's theme, they forget about "Darkness Falls". I could literally give it a second place between all the Deltarune tracks for it's first part being this similar, I swear. For those who don't know this track.. Many people miss it in game because they think that the option to "Give up" in the game over screen should take you back to the menu like it does in other games. Instead, you'll see this phrase: "Then the world was covered in darkness.", after which "Darkness Falls" plays with an empty black screen. Also the second part of this track shares it's leimotif with "Faint Courage", which is the game over theme in chapter 2.
They actually address that in the description of the video and I neglected to mention it! There are 3-4 bullet points that they couldn't squeeze into the video with some neat info.
First I want to point out another instance of Garbage Noise in Deltarune, the bunker past the church! It plays an extremely slowed down version of it, which, knowing Toby, is probably significant. Additionally, at around 16:34 you ask if maybe Sans and Papyrus are not from Undertale, and there's actually a lot of really interesting theories around that! A UA-camr called Jaru does a lot of theory crafting about Deltarune (many of them are very very wild and unserious, but he makes compelling arguments) and one of his theories is that Sans is from Deltarune. The main evidence supporting the theory is from the genocide ending of Undertale, so i wont go into it if you wanna keep away from spoilers, but I just wanted to address it cuz I hadn't seen anyone else lol. Its really cool and goes into the backstory of Sans and Papyrus, and Gaster too! I just have to yell about this for a bit, but in an email Toby Fox sent in June last year, there was a Q & A for Papyrus. The very last question was "What was your life like before you moved into Snowdin?" (shout out to facadecake). Papyrus says that "There was green grass, and..." before being cut off by Sans, who ends the questions. I haven't really seen anyone talk about it, but to my knowledge, there is no grass in Undertale. However, there is green grass in Deltarune. The stuff Sans brings up in Genocide helps lay the foundation for this theory, but that email kinda confirmed it in my eyes. Anyway, sorry for the long rant, I've just been keeping my thoughts to myself for so long lol. If you wanna know more about it feel free to ask me or watch the video Jaru made on it, I just wanna make sure I don't spoil genocide for you if you plan on watching a playthrough of it.
Thank you for the suggestion i'll chech out Jaru! I don't think i've heard of the Papyrus Q&A before, i'm sure this drove the community up a wall when this happened - the grass comment, San's secret workshop - the photo of the three people (the fact that it can only be seen by a player who has encountered an NPC that speaks of a "Suzy") it seems to point in a fairly similar direction!
Yeah, you should have probably looked up for a video with all Undertale and Deltarune in-game secrets before watching such videos... But, of course, they might spoil something from Undertale's and Deltarune's alternative paths, but since you've already done with them... I guess it should be the right time.
You mentioned saving over Kris' file, and I have an interesting tidbit about that. Let's say you save over Kris's file and play through the whole game. Then you decide you want to play it again so you delete the file and start from the beginning again. When you get to the save point, Kris' file won't be there. It'll just say "Empty." Saving over Kris' file is a permanent decision that cannot be undone under normal circumstances. Even if you try to play again on a separate file, it'll still be empty. The only thing that can restore Kris' file is a fresh install of the game
hoenstly i highly recommend you check out wandydoodles’s oblivion theory its so so good and it has stuff about gaster and the knight and chara and the secret bosses and the vessel and the overall metanarrative of both undertale and deltarune and its so GOOD
I might be a little late to say this but a recommend watching 2 left thumps video on "the spamton sweepstakes", although it's 2 HOURS LONG I recommended checking out on a reaction or on your own since it has very very interesting information regarding deltarune lore
i am a very big fan of the two games and its music and i just wanted to say that im so happy that someone new to the fandoms is already so invested in what these games have to offer. your genuine reactions and your attempts at trying to piece things together just as we did when the fandom was relatively new made my undertale/deltarune heart flutter. cant wait to see more from you !!!!
You can play the weird route on a different file and it won’t seemingly affect the pure file. But, we don’t know for sure if there won’t be any effects. In Undertale, if you played a Geno run and then a pacifist, the game remembers you sold Frisk’s soul and corrupted Chara. So the ending is different. In Deltarune, if you finish chapter 1 and then go to chapter 2, and then return to chapter 1 to defeat Jevil, if you return to chapter 2 you can pick up the item you missed out on. So other save files do seem to affect things. And also, the weird route does corrupt Noelle to an extent, which is similar to Chara. We just don’t know what’ll happen since the game is unfinished. That said, due to some clues in chapter 1 and 2, it seems like a different save file is literally a different universe. Can’t speak for what happens if you overwrite a save from slot 1 to slot 2, but if the universes are truly separate you could play weird route and have it not effect the other playthrough. Basically, we don’t know. Sorry!
There's an animated short film called "eviction day" it is about spamton getting evicted from queen's mansion. You should really watch it cus its very cool even if you won't make a video about it
If you want to get REALLY into Deltarune theories you should check out "THE DEVICE THEORY" series by mollystars, it's a pretty detailed series that is still going (It blew my mind more than a few times) but I do have to say, the two videos that are out right now are VERY long, like an hour and a half. (its still worth checking out on your own time if an hour and a half reactions are not your thing tho.)
Oh dang I should have watched the first one again when Misty's second vid came out and not posted about the stuff they talked about at the end of the first video in the comments of the second :O I have always been in the camp of GrandpaSemi was the inspiration for Gaster, but Gaster was always meant to be a deltarune character. Since Toby confirmed well, Deltarune was his first idea and Undertale kind of arose from it. ANYWAY amazing reaction. I LOVE the genuine emotion for the game, and the legit genuine reactions to seeing all this for the first time. And yes, it WAS a wild ride to experience all this as it happened.
If you are still going to go through fun Undertale videos to react to, that one that was on the "next" button you kept hovering over is super fun. "What the Internet did to Undertale" by Super Eyepatch Wolf. Gives a big dive into the fandom and how wild it can be, and might show you more things to check out lol
I personally don't think Kris can be the knight. As in, it's physically impossible. Theory time, no spoilers beyond CH 2. Timeline wise, consider: Birdly and Noelle wake up at a table in the Computer Lab, so they had to have been inside already when the Dark World opened. We see them leave for the Library before we enter the Closet. Ralsei does not mention another Dark World opening while we are inside, but says later he feels when one opens. This means, the Computer Lab Dark World opened while we were walking from the School to the Library. We were controlling Kris the entire time. So Kris literally physically can not be the Knight. They just open a Dark World of their own after Queen basically tells the party how to.
I like that she's speculating and trying to connect the dots when she hears something in the video it's very fun seeing people actually like get it lol. I don't know how to explain it... I guess it's fun seeing newer fans put on their tin foil hats that older fans put on all those years ago... Legacy and such lol
It is absolutely insane to see someone in 2024 find out about gaster, thank you very much for this! dont know what you do but I hope its deltarune/undertale stuff!
So, this is the first of your videos I've come across. I'll check out your playthroughs as well. Also, welcome to the Undertale/Deltarune music rabbit hole, and the Undertale/Deltarune Iceburg. Subscribed.
i don't know if anyone has already said this but mus_smile (the entry numebr 17 "song") is muffets laugh reversed and distorted which muffet in her song also has a part that can sound like gaster themes
There's 2 things that were passed by in this video, that are important, well lots of, but I know that is to summarize better the info. But in particular. One is that those gray sprites called Gaster Followers have all appear in the world of deltarune, actually they are in the video, the bird thing that's in the library, the man whose car was crushed, the only one missing to appear is the one that resembles monster kid, which is called "Goner kid", and it's curious because the vessel creation process is called "Goner maker". The second one is related to the sans connection with Gaster bc, there's a hidden OST called "The song that might played when you fight sans" and it's speculated to by Made for pacifist/neutral fight against sans, which will play instead of megalovania. (Also people used to think that this song was chara's theme and the other belongs to sans). But in this particular song there's a clear leimotif that uses gaster's theme.
it's very very interesting as someone who has let gaster theories live in my brain rent free to see someone getting all gaster lore dumped on them at one
If you want to see how deep the rabbit hole of hearing Gaster's theme in OST goes, I suggest checking out Andrew cunningham's video on the topic, he goes pretty in depth with it, but manages to explain it in a way that's possible to understand without studying music theory
I don't know if anyone else has commented this, but if you are interested in gaster's theme throughout Deltarune, there is a video by Andrew Cunningham called "Everything about Gaster's theme in Deltarune" that talks about it in depth. Very good video and I highly recommend.
You can use the arrow keys (left and right) to skip 5 seconds backwars or forwards and j and l to skip 10 seconds instead. Also, well done on remembering and predicting things!! Pretty impressive!
I know other comments have mentioned it already, but PLEASE react to Andrew Cunningham’s video on the Gaster motif! It’s really well made and posits some interesting ideas about Gaster’s connection to a certain character. Thanks!
as THE gaster guy myself, i would recommend "Deltarune Theory Basics 1010" by browniefox, as she goes into the REALLY hard stuff that is hard to explain, but only watch if you completed the "snowgrave route" in deltarune, there are THREE of them and they are REALLY good at explaining things
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One more secret unmentioned in the video: The Riverman from undertale, who each times tells you a different thing, can potentially say 2 interesting things:
'Beware the man who came from the other world' and
'Beware the man who speaks and hands' (might refer to wingdings)
oooh! During my Undertale play through I got the 'Beware the man who came from the other world' dialogue! It seemed suspicious at the time, but I had no context for it then!
@@hellofizzithere’s a very popular theory that sans and papyrus are from deltarune, and it actually has very solid evidence and explains a bunch of stuff.
Some people think sans is the man from the other world, while gaster is the man who speaks in hands
*speaks in hands
@@Golden_Flower_1 i think theyre from a different timeline of deltarune, since, yknow, theyre very clearly still there in ours LOLLL
The joke with Heats Flamesman is that he specifically requests that you remember his name. In Deltarune, he even writes a book so people remember his name... yet is still miscredited as Hots Fireguy
ALSO, TWO VERY IMPORTANT THINGS THE VIDEO MISSED.
If you enter the names Kris, Noelle, or Susie into Gaster's character creator, he will remark that you are "ABOUT TO MEET SOMEONE, VERY, VERY WONDERFUL"
And, even crazier, the Garbage Noise plays one more time in Deltarune. If you go to the bunker at the bottom of Hometown, there is a creepy audio file playing from inside it. When sped up by 666%, it is actually the garbage noise
Seconding the recommendation of Andrew Cunningham’s Gaster leitmotif video, it’s actually so good
I second this!
I third this
I FORTH THIS
fifthing it!
sixthing it!
The beauty of DELTARUNE is that it's a game that wants you to ask questions. What is Kris? Who is Dess? Where does this take place? What of the hidden bosses? There's so many weird little things that can lead to huge tangled up cords of connections. There is a ton to explore, but I suggest before any other reaction videos to take a look into the 'Weird Route' of Chapter 2 and the "Spamton Sweepstakes" (most analysis videos may require understanding of these subjects). It's been thrilling to see your steps into the world of DELTARUNE!
*Dess!!!* There are so many questions to ask I lose track of it all. The entire Holiday family is a huge mystery - they have to be very important, it seems like they Holidays and Dreemurs are/ were close at one point?
Will be checking out Spamton sweepstakes, weird route, and "alarm clock" dialogue , thank you!
Tony Fox has outdone himself with the Spamton Sweepstakes
Never expected to see you of all people here! Keep up the *great* work!
@@hellofizziOH ALSO. Heavily suggest checking out the Papyrus Q&A that was part of the Undertale/Deltarune Newslettera month or two again. The last question and answer is. Pretty interesting
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In case you haven't already looked into it, the creepy room is called San's Workshop, unfortunately you can't back track to it at this point, it requires some very specific steps to be taken.
Also I have a similar reaction to Asgore's theme. It's really impressive how Toby has managed to blend really good music with an emotional story in a way that creates these really powerful associations.
If you're interested in the gaster theme/motif stuff, andrew cunningham has a whole hour long video on it, and quite a few other entertaining undertale/deltarune analysis videos
OH YEAH I STRONGLY RECCOMENS ANDREW CUNNINGHAMS VIDEOS!!!
24:41 I actually want to point out that in the Geno run, Chara explicitly speaks to the player and tells them that THEY are what gave them power and gave them mission to wipe out everything. It’s very likely Chara isn’t meant to be the player exactly, but can be effected by the player just like Kris and Noelle was
Chara is like a narrative mirror of us, talking to us, and calling us out on what kind of person are we
It's not necesarily accusatory, it's more so rethorical, philosphical questions on how you feel in your position as a player in relation to the world, what drives you to do things specially if you're a completionist etc.
It's like if... eberytime you went out, you put on a costume and acted a certain way, and one day,at home, yur costume comes alive and starts talking to you, acting the way everyone else percieved you and how you played that "character" of yourself and asked you "why?"
yeah, plus also, i think what a lot of people really often miss is that chara does not in fact know theyre in a video game. neither does asriel, or even sans. to chara, they just saw what you were doing and followed suit. they never knew who or what you actually were, let alone suspect they were in a video game
That “little dude” is the ORIGINAL star walker.
* Original *Star Walker*
He pisses me off
@@kermie-frog1955Why though? After all he is the
original Starwalker
Welp, welcome to the club of "People who think they hear Gaster's Theme in every single song made" (There is an hour video though that does accurately point out the songs basically confirmed to have the Gaster notes).
This is a great video that helps explain a lot, however there are some details that are missed:
- Since you were curious, the "Grayed out Monster Kid" is a Goner like the other grayed out characters based around Gaster. However this one is interesting as instead of talking about Gaster, he talks about imagining a world where "You didn't exist, but everything played out the same without you". This is likely referencing the fact that the Fun Events don't change the game at all, meaning that you could never meet that npc and nothing would change. Speaking of Goner, that Vessel you create in Deltarune, not only is it grayed out too, but the opening segment of the game is labeled "Goner Maker".
- The Sans workshop you were questioning is found in Undertale. I believe if you reload the judgement all scene with Sans 3 times after talking to him, he gives you a key to that room. If you were to try and get it, it would require a reset, so here's what's in the room. There's a machine and like the video said there's blueprints with terrible writing (could be Alphys or could be in Wing Dings we don't know). However in one of the other drawers, there's picture of 3 people, and on the back of the photo it says "Don't Forget". Which in relation to Deltarune, that's name of the end credits song in Chapter 1 and appears multiple times in different tracks.
- In both Chapter's 1 and 2, there's a hidden room that can be found between the transition of two areas (Chapter 1 being somewhere in the Scarlet Forest, and Chapter being in the City where you find the Moss). It's random but when you get it, you'll appear in this weird room with a tree in the middle of it. When interacting with the tree, it says that there's a man behind it offering you something. If you accept, the man gives you an....Egg. Then interacting again, it says that the man is no longer there. The "Egg" stays in your inventory even after leaving the Dark World, and you can put it in a location of the town (Asgore's Refrigerator and Sans' Shop). Now you might not think this is related to Gaster at first, however when you put the word "Egg" into Wing Dings, it gives you the hands "Left, Up, Up", which is a movement pattern that a knight piece in chess uses.
- The Bunker at the bottom of town has a cool detail. If you get close enough to it, it begins to generate a bunch of noise. When you speed that noise up by 666%, you get the garbage noise sound effect, making people think that Gaster is actually in the Bunker.
Great Reaction to it, and if you do future reaction videos to hidden lore of games you'll be able to get a lot better at it.....but just for future note you can go back and forward by 5 seconds on youtube by using the right and left arrow keys and also go frame by frame using the comma and period keys.
Another interesting not about the picture in Sans’s workshop: it doesn’t show up unless you talk to Clam Girl beforehand. Clam girl: the only Undertale NPC that mentions someone named Suzy and the one that teased deltarune’s release a few months before we had any other indication.
There's a lot of good stuff here, the egg though... a commenter was trying to guide me to the egg in my first play through with giving me as little spoilers as possible and I *missed* it... I wonder if Temmie's egg was kind of foreshadowing for future eggs, lol.
Thank you for youtube navigation tips too, I appreciate it!
Can't believe I got clam girl and missed San's workshop, I never would have figured out San's anyways so it's *fine* lol
@@hellofizzi ACTUALLY YEAH, I think in chapter 2 if you go back to the classroom Temmie is there, she will count how many eggs you have collected, Temmie is Temmie Chang's game character so it isn't weird that she seems to know much, it's a dev character like the Annoying Dog, except more involved in the game (tho it's because of the dog that specific events happen in Deltarune, he even did donuts in the light world and dark world causing cars to be stuck among many, and causing you to meet spamton in chapter 2)
If you want to know more about gaster's theme there is a video called "Everything About Gaster's Motif in the DELTARUNE Soundtrack - A Musical Mythbusting Odyssey" By Andrew Cunningham
Also btw you can use the arrow keys to go back or Forward 5 seconds in videos
Misty Sparkles getting the recognition they deserve
Misty is very funny and I like their voice very much.
It’s fun watching someone not only discover all this for the first time, but actively piece things together. I’ve known all this for a while, but I often forget what it was like to first learn about it.
17:11 That’s the original Starwalker. If you meet them in chapter 1, they’ll go into your inventory in chapter 2 along with Lancer and Rouxls. They’ll also appear at a few random times throughout the chapter.
This video is one of my favorites.
I will mention that a popular theorist in the community with half a degree in music theory recently went through and examined all of the Deltarune music to find Gaster's theme, and he found some very interesting things.
First of all, it is very present in Lost Girl and Girl Next Door, Noelle's two themes. That is oddly specific and off putting
If you want to see more of it you can watch the video. It's by Andrew Cunningham, and his stuff is really good
Now you have most of the info available to you! There is the Spamton's Sweepstakes, a charity event based around Spamton that revealed a lot of info about Noelle's past. Unfortunately, I don't know of a good video that documents all of the stuff that happened with that. Hopefully someone in the comments knows one
Andrew Cunningham! His name has popped up a few times here - I will check him out, thank you! Noelle having a connection to Gaster's theme... i'm a little worried about Noelle and the Holidays.
Another important thing to note about the Garbage noise is that it is called "Smile.ogg". Gaster smiles, Jevil smiles, Spamton smiles, there's freaky smiles in the Queen's Basement leading up to the Spamton fight.
SMILEs are Gaster's motif. Which makes a certain internet funny guy all-the-more suspicious...
...oh yeah, and the Garbage Noise cuts off at exactly the 6 second mark, and if you stand outside the bunk at the bottom of the town in the Light World you can hear those 6 seconds of Garbage Noise slowed down by -you guessed it- 666%.
Gaster being some kind of fallen angel actually totally adds up with how he insane-ify's Spamton. Promising him riches and popularity at the cost of his mind, before tearing it all away from him at the last moment, leaving him damned and insane.
Also addenduming to this, the ending part of _THE WORLD REVOLVING_ is super interesting because- in QUOTING _Don't Forget-_ it loops the part "I'm with you in the dark" *EIGHT. TIMES.*
I know Toby loves looping sections once or twice, but *EIGHT TIMES,* that is just SCREAMING at you!
Eight times.... 7 secret bosses +Kris? I'm not sure if this is what you were implying but it's the first thing that came to mind!
yoooooooo Misty Sparkles just dropped a part 2 to this!
congratiolations,you're now one of us,the ones that will always have PTSD when hearing the words (darker,yet,very,interesting) in that order
I'm a huge Deltarune lore nerd, watching you react to this was so fun!
same
14:53 this room is a hidden room in sans and papyrus's house. if you want to get inside, you'll have to do the following.
-play a pacifist run until you reach the last corridor.
-save before you meet sans there.
-listen to sans's monologue.
-reload the game without saving and listen again.
-repeat the last step until sans gives you the key to his room.
-inside the room, locate the silver key.
-walk out of the house and go to the backside of it.
-use the key on the door there.
i don't really want to spoil what you find inside (even though you kinda already know), so i'll stop there.
thank you! I wonder if this info was datamined or if someone found it the "old-fashioned" way - imagine the surprise on that persons face when their experimental save scumming actually produces results!
@@hellofizzithe game makes it easy to find on your own. once you talk to sans for the second time at the end. he says he notices your facial expressions seem like you have heard him say the same things already. and then he gives you a codeword to tell another version of himself
For your questions about the Weird Route, you can do it on a separate file and it won't effect your other save. At least not in the game as it is now. Who knows what will happen if you continue the Weird Route through the whole game.
Also, a very, very interesting fact about the save files. Depending on which of the three files you are using, it changes the contents in Asriel's bedside drawer slightly during Chapter 1. That is currently the only difference between the three files and I can't help but think that it's going to be used for weird meta puzzles later in the game.
This has also led people to think that each file might be a slightly different universe. Who knows really
Man, after being so deep in this fandom it’s so cool seeing someone unfamiliar jump in and have fun
there is a poem hidden in Deltarunes files which describes Gaster and the only person who fits the description is the mysteryman
"is that a cut on your face or part of your eye?, the gash weaves down as if you cry, pain itself is the reason why"(I assume Memoryhead wrote the poem as he is the only character that ever uses the phrase "pain itself")
"I wonder if Kris has met Gaster"
.... weeeeeell the birdcage they put the soul in does say that it's been used many times, and we even see (blood?) stains by it. And Monster Kid/Snow Drake have that conversation about how they're scared of the bunker because of something to do with Kris.
I've thought for awhile now that maybe Gaster did something to Kris's soul and Kris resisted it for a time. And then Gaster brought us in to take over.
I was also wondering is Kris has some kind of bad experience with the bunker after that scene with the other kids played out. The birdcage is a good point too...
@@hellofizzi I don't remember if the video pointed this out, but the sound effect the bunker makes is also Garbage Noise, just slowed down... 666%
Honestly... doesn't feel like toby writing
Very exciting to see someone doing a lore deep dive after their playthrough. There is actually more lore outside of the game as part of the Spamton Sweepstakes. That was a fundraiser event Toby Fox organized and we got to see more of Spamtons backstory as well as some sneak peaks of Chapter 3. The channel 2 Left Thumbs has a video documenting everything, but you can actually still explore the webpage yourself. Other recommendations would for someone new to Deltarune theorizing would be the Theory basics videos by Browniefox
Thank you for the suggestions, I wasn't sure if anybody had done a deep dive video into the Spamton Sweepstakes/ website yet!
16:30 that’s actually a good theory and in undertale monsters don’t bleed, but in Deltarune, Susie says they do. But sans does bleed if you end up fighting him
Incase no one’s suggested such, you should try Undertale yellow! (After you go back and try to get the “better ending” Flowey suggested)
It’s a really wellmade fangame prequel that has been in development for seven years where you play as the fallen human before the one you play as in normal UT.
You absolutely gotta watch some Andrew Cunningham videos, as others have said. Especially his near authoritative video on what songs DO or DON'T contain Gaster's theme. (in Deltarune specifically, he didn't really find any Undertale examples convincing)
Tbf, a lot of Undertale themes contain leitmotifs of others.
the creator of this video also made a part 2 about everything they missed in this video, i highly recommend it bc they did miss some very important things.
omg i'm loving this already, your enthusiasm for this universe is so contagious, reminds me of the first time i played these games and explored all the hidden lore!!
Regarding Gasters Theme in other songs, Andrew Cunningham made a good, but long video about it, which songs might actually contain Gasters Theme using Music theory. Its called "Everything about Gasters Theme in the Deltarune Soundtrack". Also, I dont know if you know this, but there is an alternate route in Chapter2 similar to Genocide in Undertale. You should definetly look into that too. :)
17:09 The little guy following you in this clip is "Starwalker". He makes around 2-3 appearances in Chapter 2, but the only way to activate them is to find him in Chapter 1 by backtracking after the room with the flying star.
0:30 you can start one of the empty files from chapter 2’s beginning, so you can just Weird Route immediately without using your own save file
I really hope you enjoyed those 2 wonderful quirky games so far .
Btw , now you're in the same boat as us and will have to wait for more info from Toby Fox like waiting for Christmas presents from Santa when you're 4 😂❤❤❤❤❤
3:30
Oh bean 😂, there are MILLIONS of different drawings for Gaster(and every character from Ut/Dr as well) , just google a character you like and you'll see there are infinite amount of fan work for them.
Animations, fan battles, a fully developed fan game, 9000+ not fully developed fan games , separate cannons)
A video by ,,SuperEyepatchWolf" would probably get you up to speed whit everything, it's called ,,What the internet did to Undertale" .
I know you are not a reaction channel so you don't have to watch it, I'm just recommending it because it's amazing.
If I start looking up fanart... that's a slippery slope I may never come back from, haha!
There is also the stuff that IIRC the sound that plays when you start chapter one is w.ogg, and for the second chapter, it's d.ogg.
When the third chapter comes out, if the chapter start sound is named g.ogg, people will immediately lose their shit.
wow this is actually a new one for me and I have been pretty diligent on keeping up with everything Gaster related.
By the way the bunker at the bottom of hometown plays the “garbage noise” sound slowed down/very quietly when you stand near it. :)
16:13 this tangent on why undertale context matters in deltarune is so good that I use it to explain other similar cases from games of alternate universes like this when people say "well this isn't X game this is Y game"
as someone who was around since day 0 way back when Undertake became a thing, when i realized that there are people who don't know who Gaster is, i basicly just stop workin, it's like "what do you mean you don't know who the most important person in UT/DR is?"
Always remember the intense, diligent work of the Underminers to give us flat out insane amounts of Gaster info even way back when.
Holy shit, I did not expect anyone to react to a non-GT UT/DR theory/analysis thing, I'm so glad you picked this out! Love to see the reactions and connections made.
UT/DT has its own very active theorist community and as you probably know, we laugh in the face of game theory since sans is ness, and dark world = dnd.
@@Quartz512_ Oh yeah, I have been very deep in that, I'm even a Patreon supporter for Andrew Cunningham. I have a number of ideas as to why Mat stopped making theories in varying degrees of generosity to his character, but yeah I have been very interested in anyone putting together thoughts on these games.
As a Undertale fan, i fell kinda sad when people say that Wing gaster the royal scientists doesn't exist
It's wild to me that there are still deniers out that, but to each their own!
There is no way people say gaster never existed in UT
If you wanna dive deeper on the gaster rabbithole,Andrew Cunningham has a very good video about Gaster's theme!
This video was so fun! Glad i saw it in my reccomended. Definitely gonna check out your playthroughs of both games.
Thank you! I hope you enjoy the play through/s, it's been a pretty wild ride so far!
Hers are some of the most attentive and enthusiastic playthroughs out there. She discovered *a lot* of easter eggs by herself!
29:52 It's likely. Ch 2 showed us that Kris has some sort of history with the bunker in town, and if you speed up the ominous droning sound by 666% it plays the Entry 17 "garbage noise".
3:06 You can either use the left/right arrow keys to skip a couple of seconds in the respective direction, or use the comma/period keys to go frame-by-frame in those same directions.
Thank you! The comma/ Period thing is very cool!
16:40 sans and papyrus being from deltarune is a theory that some people subscribe to and rightfully so!
Sans's hidden room is behind his house, you can get the key in any route (except geno) by resetting 3 times after talking to Sans during the judgement section. He'll give you his "password".
I know you said you don't usually do reaction vids like this but if you had fun with it I personally hope you'll do more, because you ask interesting questions and have cool ideas. also your enthusiasm is infectious no matter what you're doing - really cheers me up on a bad day, so thanks for that!
The little dude is the original Starwalker. If you walk back to the beginning of the room where the flying star throws things at you, you’ll see him and if you talk to him, he’ll keep showing up. He’ll even go in your pocket with lancer and roulxs!
Leading up to Undertale, Flowey did the same thing as Gaster on Twitter.
Super excited to see you dive into the lore/fandom!
i loved this!!! undertale/deltarune lore is genuinely so crazy it's so fun to theorize
35:02 Funnily enough, one of the most clear Gaster motifs in Deltarune was the boombox playing in Clover's room
*Clover* is hiding Gaster in those holes...
This was so fun to watch! I love how engaged and interested you are in all this, it's really cool to see :D I'd totally love to see you react to more Deltarune lore/analysis/theory videos in the future! I definitely recommend Andrew Cunningham and HalfBreadChaos' channels.
26:00 “down there” doesn’t seem that far off from what Dark World are. There’s some evidence that might suggest Dark Worlds have something to do with deep ocean environments, or maybe the ocean in general
I don't really remember this video, so I don't know if it is mentioned later, given that the topic has been brought up recently again, but yeah, people have speculated about Sans and Papyrus coming originally from Deltarune, and then one day appearing in Snowdin.
If I remember correctly, something interesting was mentioned in one of the recent newsletters that made people think about this again (Toby came up with different levels of newsletters after Chapter 2 release, and they are mostly seasonal, but you should have seen a rare april 1st newsletter that a random amount of people got for choosing to get notified about literally anything Toby related...)
I kinda like the idea, but it is kinda confusing, because of how Deltarune seems to be literally created by Gaster after the events of Undertale, but then there is this time and space confusing as always nonsense, so I guess that is possible
I don't know if people already told you about the room with the blueprints, but if you walk behind Sans and Papyrus' house in Undertale, you can find a locked door; and to get a key you need to reach the last corridor during Pacifist, and then reload the dialogue with Sans a few times, without obviously saving the game, or else it will be gone. He will give you a key after a few repeats, and that is how you can unlock that room
Gaster, Kris and Knight strange connections with each other are really confusing at first, since a lot of people don't believe that Kris is the Knight (or that they are more likely A knight), but we can say for sure that Gaster is not the Knight. Their motivations are completely different, there is also a lot of interesting phrases from Gaster if you manipulate your save file in different ways from copying to deleting it entirely (I think you have to do it before you complete chapter 1?), and he is also pretty much interested in the entity (also known as the player, the soul that "possesses" Kris) pushing forward, with him speaking during Chapter 1 game over screen
The question becomes "why tf is Kris interested in what the Knight does?", which is opening the Dark Fountains.
What I also love about Chapter 2, is that Spamton actually talks to Kris directly from the very beginning, and I honestly missed that for a long time. There is a whole interesting video on UA-cam specifically about his "Hyperlink Blocked" line, that may be something more than a random joke, and is actually a one consistent thing, that keeps getting blocked
And then there's is the whole charity event with Spamton that revealed a lot of Noelle and Kris lore, which was honestly such an obscure dream, and that's after I was one of those people who witnessed Gaster hacking Undertale twitter account
32:08 OH, RIGHT!!! "Don't Forget" is actually the exact phrase that is used in that blueprints room from Undertale. There is too many little details like that, I myself don't think about them until it hits me, lol
I haven't seen the video you reacted to untill now and I enjoyed this a lot. The passion for this game and lore is hard to compare to any other game. I like that undertale and deltarune can stand on their own, but leave it to the player to figure things out if they want to. It gives so much more life to the world when you can discover things trough small details. Exploring these games was something special.
There are so many good videos and theories for this game and undertale (since they are so connected) that are worth watching. From video analysis on the musical motifs and how they relate to the deltarune lore (A Musical Mythbusting Odyssey from Andrew Cunningham), to hidden storylines that recontextualize the whole story (All about Chara: The hidden protagonist of Undertale) (Who is The True Villain of Undertale?), and meta story analysis (What was so good about UNDERTALE, anyway?). Obviously that's a lot of videos, and you can't watch everything that gets recommended, but I felt like sharing some.
She just dropped a new Gaster video!
im surprised that the video doesnt have one of the most important connections between Gaster and Deltarune. At the end of chapter 1, when you can walk around the city, there is a bunker to the south. The OST there is some very low pitched noises and nothing more... at least at naked eye, because if we speed up the by 666%, we hear the "garbage sound" or the 17th entry sound
My favourite moment of ALL Deltarune is this one, and I like to think of it as the time the creation met his creator without knowing:
- Kris stumbles upon a seemengly normal tree in the dark world -
- we check the tree -
Kris: there is a man behind that tree. - we conviniently cannot see it - He is offering me something. - we say yes - I take it. It's an egg. - we check the tree again - There is nothing behind that tree. - we fucking leave like nothing happened with a fucking egg that God gave us as a gift -
Also I love how both Kris and the Riverman talk about Gaster as a man, not a monster. It fits with the theories that speculate that Sans is/was a human because of the fact that he bleeds in the genocide rute.
Nice to see you explore the game secrets !
Can't wait for you to test Undertale Yellow, Earthbound (One of Undertale Inspirations) or Touhou (The other undertale inspiration) ^^
Earthbound! The amount of times I've started that game and not finished it is *criminal* at this point. It was never anything to do with the game and always something to so with my schedule. I would love to do a play through for YT! I've never heard of Touhou... now I have something new to look into, thank you!
@fizzip0p Yeah Earthbound do be an albeit awesome, lengthy RPG X)
As for Touhou Project it is a pretty amazing (albeit highly hard) franchise. You know how Toby made Undertale on his own ? Well While impressive, he did had little help from some other artists (Notably Temmie Chang) and used Game Maker Studio, a pre-existing engine.
On the other hand, outside of some of the spinoffs, ZUN, the creator do each Touhou Games, from coding the engine, coding the games, creating and drawing the characters and most of all the Musics on his own, (literally this time). He also, just like Toby Fox has a policy of letting people's make what they want with his characters and work, leading to multiple Touhou Fangames that sometimes even sell on official platforms.
@@hellofizzi Basically, Toby took what he loved in both franchise (Touhou Music and Gameplay and the Mother/Earthbound Games Emotionnal side and storytelling) and expanded on those qualities.
@@hellofizzi I played Earthbound after Undertale, and it was nice to see the references (there are so many).
The downside to me was that I found the gameplay a little dated, to the point that it became boring. I needed to push myself a lot to get to the ending.
People say Mother 3 is better than Earthbound and that it's also very moving. I haven't played it yet and I know very little about it.
There's also Moon, Yume Nikki, and Live-A-Live 🤔
Chara is complicated, so I sugest you to see a character analyses of them because they have some secrets in the game like Gaster
Thank you, My knowledge base for chara is *very limited* as I have not experienced a geno route! I find the character very intriguing already though, so once I've seen a genocide route i'll probably delve more into Chara!
Hey, Misty Sparkles dropped a part 2 recently, you might wanna check it out! It covers stuff she forgot in this vid, and I find it to be very, very, interesting
I don't know why when people talk about tracks with something similar to Gaster's theme, they forget about "Darkness Falls". I could literally give it a second place between all the Deltarune tracks for it's first part being this similar, I swear.
For those who don't know this track.. Many people miss it in game because they think that the option to "Give up" in the game over screen should take you back to the menu like it does in other games. Instead, you'll see this phrase: "Then the world was covered in darkness.", after which "Darkness Falls" plays with an empty black screen. Also the second part of this track shares it's leimotif with "Faint Courage", which is the game over theme in chapter 2.
I've never clicked the give up option so I completely missed this. Thank you, this is very cool!
This is video is pretty good but how did it fail to mention the bunker, whos weird noises when sped up to 666% make the garbage noise sound
They actually address that in the description of the video and I neglected to mention it! There are 3-4 bullet points that they couldn't squeeze into the video with some neat info.
Andrew Cunningham’s Gaster motif video is a good followup from this.
First I want to point out another instance of Garbage Noise in Deltarune, the bunker past the church! It plays an extremely slowed down version of it, which, knowing Toby, is probably significant.
Additionally, at around 16:34 you ask if maybe Sans and Papyrus are not from Undertale, and there's actually a lot of really interesting theories around that! A UA-camr called Jaru does a lot of theory crafting about Deltarune (many of them are very very wild and unserious, but he makes compelling arguments) and one of his theories is that Sans is from Deltarune.
The main evidence supporting the theory is from the genocide ending of Undertale, so i wont go into it if you wanna keep away from spoilers, but I just wanted to address it cuz I hadn't seen anyone else lol. Its really cool and goes into the backstory of Sans and Papyrus, and Gaster too!
I just have to yell about this for a bit, but in an email Toby Fox sent in June last year, there was a Q & A for Papyrus. The very last question was "What was your life like before you moved into Snowdin?" (shout out to facadecake). Papyrus says that "There was green grass, and..." before being cut off by Sans, who ends the questions. I haven't really seen anyone talk about it, but to my knowledge, there is no grass in Undertale. However, there is green grass in Deltarune. The stuff Sans brings up in Genocide helps lay the foundation for this theory, but that email kinda confirmed it in my eyes.
Anyway, sorry for the long rant, I've just been keeping my thoughts to myself for so long lol. If you wanna know more about it feel free to ask me or watch the video Jaru made on it, I just wanna make sure I don't spoil genocide for you if you plan on watching a playthrough of it.
Thank you for the suggestion i'll chech out Jaru! I don't think i've heard of the Papyrus Q&A before, i'm sure this drove the community up a wall when this happened - the grass comment, San's secret workshop - the photo of the three people (the fact that it can only be seen by a player who has encountered an NPC that speaks of a "Suzy") it seems to point in a fairly similar direction!
Yeah, you should have probably looked up for a video with all Undertale and Deltarune in-game secrets before watching such videos... But, of course, they might spoil something from Undertale's and Deltarune's alternative paths, but since you've already done with them... I guess it should be the right time.
Fun Fact:
The garbage noise from the entry 17 and the cellphone in deltarune are just Muffet's laugh but slowed down by 666%
HUH.
This is even stranger considering that Muffet was some kind of fan character added because of a kick starter donation (I think?)
33:55 for those who didn't catch it, pay attention at the beat on the background of the songs, it is literally the same notes
You mentioned saving over Kris' file, and I have an interesting tidbit about that. Let's say you save over Kris's file and play through the whole game. Then you decide you want to play it again so you delete the file and start from the beginning again.
When you get to the save point, Kris' file won't be there. It'll just say "Empty."
Saving over Kris' file is a permanent decision that cannot be undone under normal circumstances. Even if you try to play again on a separate file, it'll still be empty. The only thing that can restore Kris' file is a fresh install of the game
A part two of this came out recently
Omg! It's so awesome seeing someone be able to figure out and pick up on all these theories and hidden details!!!
hoenstly i highly recommend you check out wandydoodles’s oblivion theory its so so good and it has stuff about gaster and the knight and chara and the secret bosses and the vessel and the overall metanarrative of both undertale and deltarune and its so GOOD
I might be a little late to say this but a recommend watching 2 left thumps video on "the spamton sweepstakes", although it's 2 HOURS LONG I recommended checking out on a reaction or on your own since it has very very interesting information regarding deltarune lore
i am a very big fan of the two games and its music and i just wanted to say that im so happy that someone new to the fandoms is already so invested in what these games have to offer. your genuine reactions and your attempts at trying to piece things together just as we did when the fandom was relatively new made my undertale/deltarune heart flutter. cant wait to see more from you !!!!
You can play the weird route on a different file and it won’t seemingly affect the pure file. But, we don’t know for sure if there won’t be any effects. In Undertale, if you played a Geno run and then a pacifist, the game remembers you sold Frisk’s soul and corrupted Chara. So the ending is different. In Deltarune, if you finish chapter 1 and then go to chapter 2, and then return to chapter 1 to defeat Jevil, if you return to chapter 2 you can pick up the item you missed out on. So other save files do seem to affect things. And also, the weird route does corrupt Noelle to an extent, which is similar to Chara. We just don’t know what’ll happen since the game is unfinished.
That said, due to some clues in chapter 1 and 2, it seems like a different save file is literally a different universe. Can’t speak for what happens if you overwrite a save from slot 1 to slot 2, but if the universes are truly separate you could play weird route and have it not effect the other playthrough. Basically, we don’t know. Sorry!
It’s always fun seeing people new to the franchise learn about this stuff. Would love to see you check out more lore/theory videos
There's an animated short film called "eviction day" it is about spamton getting evicted from queen's mansion. You should really watch it cus its very cool even if you won't make a video about it
Thank you! I'll definitely check it out!
If you want to get REALLY into Deltarune theories you should check out "THE DEVICE THEORY" series by mollystars, it's a pretty detailed series that is still going (It blew my mind more than a few times) but I do have to say, the two videos that are out right now are VERY long, like an hour and a half. (its still worth checking out on your own time if an hour and a half reactions are not your thing tho.)
Oh dang I should have watched the first one again when Misty's second vid came out and not posted about the stuff they talked about at the end of the first video in the comments of the second :O
I have always been in the camp of GrandpaSemi was the inspiration for Gaster, but Gaster was always meant to be a deltarune character. Since Toby confirmed well, Deltarune was his first idea and Undertale kind of arose from it.
ANYWAY amazing reaction. I LOVE the genuine emotion for the game, and the legit genuine reactions to seeing all this for the first time. And yes, it WAS a wild ride to experience all this as it happened.
If you are still going to go through fun Undertale videos to react to, that one that was on the "next" button you kept hovering over is super fun. "What the Internet did to Undertale" by Super Eyepatch Wolf. Gives a big dive into the fandom and how wild it can be, and might show you more things to check out lol
I personally don't think Kris can be the knight. As in, it's physically impossible. Theory time, no spoilers beyond CH 2.
Timeline wise, consider: Birdly and Noelle wake up at a table in the Computer Lab, so they had to have been inside already when the Dark World opened. We see them leave for the Library before we enter the Closet. Ralsei does not mention another Dark World opening while we are inside, but says later he feels when one opens.
This means, the Computer Lab Dark World opened while we were walking from the School to the Library. We were controlling Kris the entire time. So Kris literally physically can not be the Knight. They just open a Dark World of their own after Queen basically tells the party how to.
I like that she's speculating and trying to connect the dots when she hears something in the video it's very fun seeing people actually like get it lol. I don't know how to explain it... I guess it's fun seeing newer fans put on their tin foil hats that older fans put on all those years ago... Legacy and such lol
It is absolutely insane to see someone in 2024 find out about gaster, thank you very much for this! dont know what you do but I hope its deltarune/undertale stuff!
So, this is the first of your videos I've come across. I'll check out your playthroughs as well.
Also, welcome to the Undertale/Deltarune music rabbit hole, and the Undertale/Deltarune Iceburg.
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i don't know if anyone has already said this but mus_smile (the entry numebr 17 "song") is muffets laugh reversed and distorted which muffet in her song also has a part that can sound like gaster themes
Yea so they didnt tag speculatuon on leitnotif section. Pretty much none are 100%, expect for another him, which has it very prominent.
You can use commas and periods to go frame by frame on UA-cam.
There's 2 things that were passed by in this video, that are important, well lots of, but I know that is to summarize better the info. But in particular. One is that those gray sprites called Gaster Followers have all appear in the world of deltarune, actually they are in the video, the bird thing that's in the library, the man whose car was crushed, the only one missing to appear is the one that resembles monster kid, which is called "Goner kid", and it's curious because the vessel creation process is called "Goner maker". The second one is related to the sans connection with Gaster bc, there's a hidden OST called "The song that might played when you fight sans" and it's speculated to by Made for pacifist/neutral fight against sans, which will play instead of megalovania. (Also people used to think that this song was chara's theme and the other belongs to sans). But in this particular song there's a clear leimotif that uses gaster's theme.
If you like theory stuff, I recommend HalfbakedChaos (he’s got a bread as a pfp). He’s got a lot of fun theories and is well worth a watch :)
And here is one of the many elaborate subplots that people are still trying to uncover (and at this rate we may never uncover)
Just watched your pacifist finale and seeing how emotional you are makes me 100000x more excited for genocide package >:3
Genocider Kick!! *Omega Rugal
it's very very interesting as someone who has let gaster theories live in my brain rent free to see someone getting all gaster lore dumped on them at one
Just discovered your channel. Gonna binge your UT and DR playthroughs 💫
Youre lucky that you joined the fandom late. Waiting several years for chapter 3 had made the fandom go insane
If you want a more in-depth review of Gaster's theme in deltarune, check out Andrew Cunningham's video about it.
If you want to see how deep the rabbit hole of hearing Gaster's theme in OST goes, I suggest checking out Andrew cunningham's video on the topic, he goes pretty in depth with it, but manages to explain it in a way that's possible to understand without studying music theory
This is a very good video to do a first react, congratulations! you did well!
your animation on the lore is INCREDIBLE
I don't know if anyone else has commented this, but if you are interested in gaster's theme throughout Deltarune, there is a video by Andrew Cunningham called "Everything about Gaster's theme in Deltarune" that talks about it in depth. Very good video and I highly recommend.
You can use the arrow keys (left and right) to skip 5 seconds backwars or forwards and j and l to skip 10 seconds instead.
Also, well done on remembering and predicting things!! Pretty impressive!
I know other comments have mentioned it already, but PLEASE react to Andrew Cunningham’s video on the Gaster motif! It’s really well made and posits some interesting ideas about Gaster’s connection to a certain character. Thanks!
as THE gaster guy myself, i would recommend "Deltarune Theory Basics 1010" by browniefox, as she goes into the REALLY hard stuff that is hard to explain, but only watch if you completed the "snowgrave route" in deltarune, there are THREE of them and they are REALLY good at explaining things
I should note I think watching these videos without playing Weird Route + Genocide route (undertale) you may get some parts spoiled