The Truth about Chara

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  • Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
  • In this video I talk about Chara from Undertale, throughout the years Chara has been portrayed as a villain within the community. However I have always felt like Chara was not a villain. In this video I talk about why Chara was at least at the start of Undertale not the monster people thought they were.
    The Chara art used in the thumbnail is made by the talented artist ATL and Frisk who you can check out their art here! ...
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    To clear up some stuff, the genocide route mirrors in Toriel's home and New Home show how the narrator is Chara. In the pacifist route the line "despite everything it's still you" is Chara talking to frisk. This at the very least show that Chara and Frisk are linked, and Chara not being the narrator wouldn't make sense. If the narrator was just a simple narrator then the narrator wouldn't call themselves Chara.
    Meanwhile Chara died due to the plan for Asriel to get the souls needed to break the barrier. Along with this Chara was siblings with Asriel and lived with the King and Queen. Chara seemed to care about monsters, if they died to help monsters go free then they wouldn't at the same time be trying to kill monsters.
    This is where I believe Chara and Frisk get stronger at the same time because Chara for one shouldn't be strong enough at the end of Undertale to destroy the entire World/Universe. When you "Level" up in Undertale you start becoming more immune to the pain from killing someone, and it makes you easy to kill more without feeling bad. So it would make sense that Chara would be up for killing monsters if they have been forced to get "stronger" with Frisk. This is why at the end of the Genocide route Chara just wants to get stronger along with destroying everything.
    Meanwhile for the Kris being Chara? yeahhhh alright I might as well explain that....
    I know that for some people it will be an obvious "oh yeah Kris is Chara" and for some people it's like "Spiffy wtf Kris is their own person" and both of those are valid. However their are so many shared factors both Chara and Kris have that make me have a very hard time thinking that Kris isn't just Deltaruns own version of Chara. Being adopted by the Dreemurs, brother to Asriel, like knives and chocolate, wear almost the same shirt and pants with nearly the same hair.....like guys cmon-
    Anyways this is just me explaining a bit more about this video because I wanted to fully explain my thought process on these theories, I know some people will disagree with me. If you disagree with me please don't get mad, because after all
    Some of the Genocide footage is from ‪@SmashMaxLP‬ check out his channel!
    It's just a theory, a Game Theory! Thanks for watching ^^
    #gaming #trending #undertale #deltarune #theory

КОМЕНТАРІ • 758

  • @AtlasTorment
    @AtlasTorment 6 місяців тому +333

    That's right. Chara wasn't evil, and didn't kill all those monsters. YOU did. The whole "With your guidance-" makes it clear that Chara was just learning from what the player did.

    • @_StarlightRose_
      @_StarlightRose_ 6 місяців тому +11

      in fact, Chara killed 3 peopole in the entire geno route
      sans(debatable), Asgore, and Flowey

    • @samiel2244
      @samiel2244 6 місяців тому +4

      @@_StarlightRose_I’m not sure about sans and asgore tho but maybe it did kill flowey but why tho?

    • @-NotSomeone-
      @-NotSomeone- 6 місяців тому +8

      @@samiel2244 you don't use Fight so its chara and not us

    • @Magma-Idiot-2001
      @Magma-Idiot-2001 6 місяців тому +8

      ​​@@_StarlightRose_Flowey killed Asgore, Chara just viciously injured him. But they definitely are directly responsible for Flowey and Sans' death.

    • @_StarlightRose_
      @_StarlightRose_ 6 місяців тому +2

      @@Magma-Idiot-2001 true, true
      I say debatable for sans, as the sound effect that plays is not the one when a monster dies, but the battle ending one so we don't know if he actually died
      So really, Chara officially killed one person in the entire route

  • @Xellerator101
    @Xellerator101 6 місяців тому +193

    I think what people don’t get is that Chara wasn’t the best person they were flawed, BUT SO IS EVERY OTHER CHARACTER IN UNDERTALE. the whole point of the game is the look past all them and see the good people hidden within them, if Toby Fox just made Chara to be “oh yeah the super evil phyco girl” would literally be destroying the message of the game

    • @shellpoptheepicswordmaster755
      @shellpoptheepicswordmaster755 6 місяців тому +3

      Or boi

    • @Person76439
      @Person76439 6 місяців тому +5

      That isn't even the message of the game lol

    • @theonewhocaredandasked9126
      @theonewhocaredandasked9126 6 місяців тому

      Message of the game is kill everyone and see how it turns out

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому +4

      Fr
      And so many people just throw that aside just for the sake of worshipping Sans and making more stupid AUs of him

    • @resumethyvideo7631
      @resumethyvideo7631 6 місяців тому +1

      We don’t think they’re evil we just use them as a villain because they are scary demon child who jumpscares you.
      We can’t use asgore (he’s too sympathetic), we can’t use flowey (he gets humiliated by us in genocide) and we can’t use frisk because that would waste the potential of their character.
      Edit: also just because you don’t like a certain artist/writer’s interpretation of a character doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist and if you do you are literally gatekeeping stories from existing just because you think the canon counterparts are superior.
      Creativity is this fandoms biggest strength and you wish to stifle it.

  • @TheRealUNGOC
    @TheRealUNGOC 6 місяців тому +151

    2016 Undertale Fandom misCHARActerization starterpack:
    > Overly-sexualized anime-girl Frisk
    > Edgy as fuck Sans (will destroy the Universe if Papyrus gets a bruise)
    > Asgore = Satan
    > Chara = evil incarnate (also overly sexualized anime girl)
    > Alphys? Who the fuck is that?

    • @UJDdustadusta
      @UJDdustadusta 6 місяців тому +51

      Don't forget the papyrus being too innocent and that he eats spaghetti thing

    • @Spiffy131
      @Spiffy131  6 місяців тому +49

      Omg I hate how mistreated the undertale characters are like guys cmon-

    • @UJDdustadusta
      @UJDdustadusta 6 місяців тому +8

      @@Spiffy131 True

    • @TheRealUNGOC
      @TheRealUNGOC 6 місяців тому +19

      @@Spiffy131 and then there's Alphys who literally ceases to exist in AUs

    • @some-kid-2010
      @some-kid-2010 6 місяців тому +16

      Don’t forget: Alphys? Don’t you mean Gaster?

  • @ComikaSans
    @ComikaSans 6 місяців тому +20

    The undertale community has been working to undo all the old fanon stuff from 2015-2019-ish. Like we are getting rid of the old fanon sans stuff, and are starting to handle the lore more accurately. Chara is also a good example of this.

    • @ComikaSans
      @ComikaSans 5 місяців тому +1

      @jimmy-xv2dc look on r/undertale. Its more obvious there

    • @abhikergaming7783
      @abhikergaming7783 3 місяці тому

      What do you mean by that??
      Sans might not be some edgy character but he's still a depressed and just overall sad guy.
      As for Chara I personally think both sides are right on this topic and it's more about which side you're on, because let's be honest there's a lot of speculation and interpretation for Charas actions and deeds

    • @ComikaSans
      @ComikaSans 2 місяці тому +2

      @@abhikergaming7783 i never said he wasnt a depressed or sad guy lol, just that he isnt the type to start crying n stuff, he keeps everything personal, and most def processes his emotions internally, you wont see him cry, even when paps dies hes more pissed at you than anything, while hes probably moreso crying on the inside. also the chara stuff is mostly up to interperetation as we dont have alotta info abt them

    • @abhikergaming7783
      @abhikergaming7783 2 місяці тому

      @@ComikaSans I actually agree with you

    • @knoxthecat8051
      @knoxthecat8051 2 місяці тому

      frans is still around.. 🤮🤮🤮

  • @mina_netty
    @mina_netty 6 місяців тому +93

    I think Canon Chara has a mischievous streak and like Kris enjoys chocolates, and has interest in knives, is best friends with their brother, and likes to prank/tease others and their brother sometimes. And loves monsters but hates humanity.
    They were a little like Susie too.
    *But got corrupted do to our genocides.*

    • @splinter6322
      @splinter6322 6 місяців тому

      THEY REMEMBER OUR'RE GENOCIDES

    • @NovaAeternus
      @NovaAeternus 6 місяців тому +11

      human.... i remember you're genocides...

    • @stars4772
      @stars4772 6 місяців тому +3

      More like their determination got corrupted

    • @iamcat1797
      @iamcat1797 6 місяців тому +2

      @@NovaAeternusoh thank you. Most people don’t remember my Identity.

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому +3

      @@stars4772 I mean, they are just some old af *DETERMINATION* at this point
      So that makes sense

  • @Thefirstfallenhuman.
    @Thefirstfallenhuman. 6 місяців тому +86

    Yeah, I hate humanity, NOT monsters. I also kinda hate myself.

    • @CyanOxayaCreatenet
      @CyanOxayaCreatenet 6 місяців тому +6

      It's conformed omg

    • @papermr.magolorguy7957
      @papermr.magolorguy7957 6 місяців тому +7

      You should love yourself. ^^

    • @dylanhudec979
      @dylanhudec979 6 місяців тому

      And no one cares about you ^^

    • @Red-fella
      @Red-fella 6 місяців тому +6

      With real love not L.O.V.E.

    • @dachemistofx1667
      @dachemistofx1667 6 місяців тому +11

      * insert HighTierRalsei speech (aka: Love Yourself, you serve all purpose, you deserve everything, love yourself now or smth like that)

  • @GoatHerder0
    @GoatHerder0 6 місяців тому +49

    I find it kind of funny that the vast majority of us misunderstood the game calling us out and punishing us for our actions as “you didn’t do it, this child did”. I am definitely guilty of this and find it kind of funny how many of us got it wrong initially, and then realized a year or two later what was actually happening. Chara has actually become one of my favorite characters because of how interesting their story is for a character we only see once in the whole game.

    • @CR1MSONACE
      @CR1MSONACE 6 місяців тому +3

      What if the real us was this child we found at the end of the way?

    • @maila319
      @maila319 6 місяців тому +1

      That's cuz Toby Fox portrayed Chara rather inconsistently.

    • @mrinsomniac2968
      @mrinsomniac2968 6 місяців тому

      @@maila319 oh my goodddd stfuuuu just accept you killed everybody and dont blame it on a CHILDDDD

    • @jorgeabdielalejandrochavar650
      @jorgeabdielalejandrochavar650 3 місяці тому +1

      That's because Chara and the player share the same name because Chara is supposed to represent the player to a certain degree though not the same entity, i'd like to think it's because of that misunderstood rather than just because they decided to blame Chara out of nowhere

    • @WARPCORPoration
      @WARPCORPoration 2 місяці тому +1

      And also they said about Chara destroying universe. 'End this pointless world and move onto next.' could mean they want us to do other route. Chara slash the screen in attempt in deleting the game as in making the player couldn't reset and do genocide again because we're the one in control(as in having control), sorry for bad eng

  • @Thorumsu
    @Thorumsu 6 місяців тому +108

    Undertale Players: Goes out of their way to kill every last monster they can find just to see what happens.
    Also Undertale Players: Why did Chara make me do this??

    • @maila319
      @maila319 6 місяців тому +3

      Chara isn't good nor morally grey either. They just lack the concept of morality.

    • @ElectricPikachu64
      @ElectricPikachu64 4 місяці тому

      ​@@maila319 precisely

    • @averageyoutubehandle497
      @averageyoutubehandle497 4 місяці тому

      ​@@maila319 they literally share all of the traits of severe aspd or even sadistic personality disorder. That means they either dont have morals at all or they actively enjoys other pain and suffering.

    • @averageyoutubehandle497
      @averageyoutubehandle497 4 місяці тому

      ​@@maila319 Chara literally could be medically diagnosed with sadistic personality disorder -
      She shares symptoms with sadistic Personality disorder as based on the dsm 3:
      According to the DSM-III-R diagnostic criteria Sadistic personality disorder is defined by a pervasive pattern of sadistic and cruel behavior that begins in early adulthood. It was defined by four of the following.
      1.Has used physical cruelty or violence for the purpose of establishing dominance in a relationship (not merely to achieve some noninterpersonal goal, such as striking someone in order to rob him/her).
      2.Humiliates or demeans people in the presence of others.
      3.Has treated or disciplined someone under his/her control unusually harshly.
      4.Is amused by, or takes pleasure in, the psychological or physical suffering of others (including animals).
      5.Has lied for the purpose of harming or inflicting pain on others (not merely to achieve some other goal).
      6.Gets other people to do what he/she wants by frightening them (through intimidation or even terror).
      7.Restricts the autonomy of people with whom he or she has a close relationship, e.g., will not let spouse leave the house unaccompanied or permit teenage daughter to attend social functions.
      8.Is fascinated by violence, weapons, injury, or torture.
      Chara fits categories 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, and could be debated to fit 7 because she literally leaves you in a black screen for 10 minutes, and it could be debated it's a close relationship (from her pov) because she calls you "partner". The required minimum to diagnose is 4 and she fits 6/7. Also She doesn't fit the categories of aspd, or se*ual sadism disorder which is a requirement to be diagnosed with sadistic personality disorder. (Just making my argument 100% undebatable)

    • @jorgeabdielalejandrochavar650
      @jorgeabdielalejandrochavar650 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@maila319that's the most accurate description for Chara, bravo

  • @xeno_program4708
    @xeno_program4708 5 місяців тому +17

    A little fact is that the "Worn Dagger" is practically the "Real Knife", just changing form at LV 19, Both are Chara's, being the same weapon.

  • @Jojo_Does_Thingz
    @Jojo_Does_Thingz 6 місяців тому +18

    Yes, chara is not evil. This is because she is actually a reincarnation of famous singer Glen Cambell trying to promote a new album from beyond the grave. I learned this after discovering a new route in undertale by killing exactly 7 monsters and going to Sans' lab, where it is revealed that Glen Campbell actually planned a secret last album collabing with famous musicians Toby Fox, Lena Raine, and the band Jamiroquai. You can trust me on this, i have at least 4 minutes of play time in undertale, as well as a doctorate in Deltarune Lore Analysis, so I'm pretty much an expert in this field.

    • @Spiffy131
      @Spiffy131  6 місяців тому +6

      Chara goes by they/them (I’m pretty sure) and also…wha- what are you yappin about Jo…..

    • @Jojo_Does_Thingz
      @Jojo_Does_Thingz 6 місяців тому +6

      @Spiffy131 Facts and logic. Also, I did not know chara was using they/them. Kinda easy to gloss over that kind of stuff when you get this deep in the lore puddle.

    • @Spiffy131
      @Spiffy131  6 місяців тому +4

      @@Jojo_Does_Thingz that’s fair, also I expect a response video of your own theory about how the famous singer Glen Cambell is in Undertale

    • @Jojo_Does_Thingz
      @Jojo_Does_Thingz 6 місяців тому +6

      @@Spiffy131 Challenge accepted. Will publish a response within 8-12 business months.

    • @Spiffy131
      @Spiffy131  6 місяців тому +2

      @@Jojo_Does_Thingz I’ll be looking forward to it.

  • @zeo4481
    @zeo4481 6 місяців тому +18

    Chara:
    (Literally kills themselves to free all of monsterkind)
    The UT community:
    ,,Haha evil Chara go BRRR"

    • @NOTaNaBC
      @NOTaNaBC 6 місяців тому +1

      Don't forget that they did this also in order to take revenge on humans (from Asriel we know that Chara hated humanity, and that they wanted to kill people, but Asriel did not allow it). In addition, Chara was a problem child (which can be found out by watching tapes in the true laboratory)

    • @undyne4032
      @undyne4032 6 місяців тому +3

      ​@@NOTaNaBCNo, plan was to take six other souls, when monsters attack Asriel only then Chara wants Asriel to defend himself, but Asriel refuses... Remember Chara committing suicide, only for Asriel to absorb their soul wasn't something known, yes humans knew that combining both souls will create powerful being, but nobody knew how exactly will that work, what if concious mind of Chara in the moment of absorbtion of their soul would vanished, that's why Chara told everything about the plan, because Chara don't exactly know what will happen, but still Chara will remains, the same as Asriel's, they can communicate, Chara doesn't talk about killing humans, only after they attack Asriel, they beg Asriel to defend them
      Chara isn't the greatest person, but they are not that evil, missguided absolutely, depressed indeed, but they are also loving, they love monsters and would give their life for them to be free

    • @Person76439
      @Person76439 6 місяців тому +1

      @@undyne4032 There is no evidence they were loving

    • @undyne4032
      @undyne4032 6 місяців тому +3

      @@Person76439 would you sacrifice your life, so other people could be free? If that's not loving I don't know what is.

    • @Person76439
      @Person76439 6 місяців тому +1

      @@undyne4032
      1. No, they didn't sacrifice their life, they had their soul absorbed into Asriel so they could share control of the body.
      2. Chara's motives were to get revenge on humanity. There's no evidence they cared for the monsters.

  • @RALSEIDAGAMERRRRR
    @RALSEIDAGAMERRRRR 6 місяців тому +49

    FINALLY A PERSON WHO DOESNT BLAME THEM FOR OUR ACTIONS

    • @Spiffy131
      @Spiffy131  6 місяців тому +8

      Exactly!

    • @Person76439
      @Person76439 6 місяців тому +7

      Chara Defenders make up the majority of the fandom. This isn't a unique case at all.

    • @maincraf-yk5qq
      @maincraf-yk5qq 6 місяців тому +7

      @@Person76439 Well, they do NOW- Yes, I'm looking at you pre-2022 undertale community

    • @maila319
      @maila319 6 місяців тому +1

      ​​​​​​@@maincraf-yk5qqYou mean pre-2017 as ever since the Judgement Boy Chara video was uploaded on youtube, Chara defenders grew and made up the majority of the UT fandom. I am not saying Chara is pure evil but the fanbase crucifies anyone who has an opinion on Chara other than "pure good" nor "morally grey".

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому +1

      @@maila319 Nah
      The JB video didn't have an immediate effect
      + old fierce Sans fans still kept doing their stuff, albeit taking Chara-Cide out of their view for the most part. And they are still diong it till this day(eg. Underverse, fangames etc)
      And don't forget how COS become a thing

  • @keikoiskeiki
    @keikoiskeiki 6 місяців тому +25

    over-analysis on Chara, sign me up! Great video and totally agree with the narrative you put place for chara, still find it weird why we make Chara such a big bad guy when they’re just a kid lol.

    • @Spiffy131
      @Spiffy131  6 місяців тому +4

      Thank you! :0 I’m glad you agree with my thoughts on this, I spent awhile trying to piece all my thoughts together on this one haha, yea I always thought saying chara was evil was a bit fishy (after typing this there’s prolly someway to make this an undyne pun but oh well) anyways thanks again!

    • @RALSEIDAGAMERRRRR
      @RALSEIDAGAMERRRRR 6 місяців тому +2

      @@Spiffy131 omg yes someone who isnt a jerk and admits that we kill them all not chara

    • @Agueybana1978
      @Agueybana1978 6 місяців тому

      It's likely that we, as a society, have a bad tendency to find or make problems, some of us find a scapegoat to push all of our problems on.

    • @Person76439
      @Person76439 6 місяців тому +1

      @@Agueybana1978 This is a strawman argument. Nobody is "pushing the blame" on Chara, they are holding Chara accountable for the things they chose to do to assist us.

    • @Agueybana1978
      @Agueybana1978 6 місяців тому

      @@Person76439 Who says Chara consented? I know Chara isn't a great person, but I doubt they are an outright monster.

  • @bhaveshsain2932
    @bhaveshsain2932 6 місяців тому +84

    SANS: megalo--
    chara: strike back

  • @ZKDVoid
    @ZKDVoid 6 місяців тому +25

    FINALLY someone else figured it out ive been saying this forever kris/and chara are alternate versions of each other for more similarities they both have a reoccurring theme of taking control from the player and both were most likely given up on by their human parents one way or another. If we get evidence that Kris has some distain for humanity its pretty much confirmed and nothing will sway me.

    • @UnoriginalJokester
      @UnoriginalJokester 6 місяців тому +1

      There actually is. When looking at a book in the library, the game describes it having pictures of humans inside, and Kris shuts the book quickly after seeing them.

    • @DaHypnotik
      @DaHypnotik 6 місяців тому +3

      I personally think that Kris really is just a mix of Chara AND Frisk. Sure, Spiffy said that the only thing Kris has going for Frisk is skin color.
      Ain't gonna lie, that's completely incorrect. Yes, Kris and Chara share their liking of chocolate, knives, and clothing, yet there are also certain aspects of Kris that differ from Charas'. Kris as said before shares similar skin color. What I found intresting is that Spiffy said that Kris's hair is similar to Charas. To that I have to disagree, it more resembles Frisks seeing that it's also the same color. Not only that, Chara is known for being talkative, in which Frisk really just isn't. The only time we really see Frisk speak is during battles or if there's a needed answer outside of one. Kris is also a pretty quiet kid even made evident after talking to Noelle in chapter 1 and selecting "Anything". She responds saying if Kris is okay seeing that they're not usually so talkative. And it's not them selecting that, it's US, same thing with Frisk, we control Frisk just like Kris. Though.. Kris has shown that they're well capable of just denying our control. Which Chara also seems to be passionate about......
      Damn I'm really speaking against myself here arent I?
      ANYWAYS there's also Kris being a victim of bullying which I doubt Chara would just let that slide. They'd put up one hell of a fight if anything seeing how dominant Chara has shown to be, which Kris has never really done.
      Alright, but to put it simply Kris definitely has some personality traits that both of them share, not just looks.

    • @ZKDVoid
      @ZKDVoid 6 місяців тому

      @@DaHypnotik going to your “bullying” point I believe that this is actually another reason why Chara and kris are the same. We know that chara hates humanity and climbed mt ebott for suicidal reasons. This is strongly hinted toward some type of mistreatment from other humans whether it be his parents or peers or even both. And obviously at the time they arent strong at all theyre a child. So they’ve no other choice than to “let it slide”

    • @ZKDVoid
      @ZKDVoid 6 місяців тому

      @@UnoriginalJokester interesting, but i think this is more of simply being uncomfortable since he grew up only with monsters. But maybe it is some distain. In any case if its true its 100% confirmed not even a head canon its too many similarities to be debated imo.

    • @DaHypnotik
      @DaHypnotik 6 місяців тому

      @@ZKDVoid that's.. actually a good point. I was looking at it from Kris's side tho. Since Kris was a victim of bullying to Susie, which is a monster. Regardless, didn't think of it that way. Toby really did one hell of a job giving us theorists one hell of a headache lmao.

  • @jjcooldude9700
    @jjcooldude9700 6 місяців тому +14

    Chara is also soulless,similar to Flowey.
    They lost their soul after Asriel died with it.
    Flowey literally says this,and he was WITH them when they both died.
    He of all people would know this.
    “You’re not human,are you?”
    “You’re empty inside,just like me.”
    “Infact.”
    “You’re Chara,aren’t you?”
    And then he wonders why the hell he’s cut down by “Chara”
    A bit hypocritical if you ask me,he should have figured since he’s in a similar situation.
    If you complete a genocide route twice,Chara will say “this SOUL resonates with a strange feeling.”
    “I cannot understand these feelings anymore.”
    What feeling do SOULS help you feel?
    Empathy.
    Compassion.
    The “Chara” you see at the end of genocide is just a soulless shell of the chara ASRIEL knew.
    Flowey would jump at the chance to erase the world,hell he DID with omega flowey.
    But would ASRIEL?
    No.
    Can’t we say the same for Chara?

    • @Spiffy131
      @Spiffy131  6 місяців тому +4

      This is a VERY good point 👀

    • @dylanhudec979
      @dylanhudec979 6 місяців тому +1

      That’s pretty much agony

    • @UnoriginalJokester
      @UnoriginalJokester 6 місяців тому

      Yeah, Flowey would jump at the chance to erase the world. In the present day.
      But when he first woke up, he used his powers for good. He solved everyone's problems & became friends with them. It was only after he did everything else that he decided to start killing to see what happens, and THEN he became sadistic.
      We can't say the same for Chara because they decided to help us kill as soon as they woke up.

    • @jjcooldude9700
      @jjcooldude9700 6 місяців тому

      @@UnoriginalJokester the reason Chara becomes that way,is because of what Spiffy says in the video.
      LV makes you more aggressive.
      Flowey just got bored and grew more insane over time.
      LV made Chara more numb to killing,having no SOUL did not help with that.

    • @UnoriginalJokester
      @UnoriginalJokester 6 місяців тому

      @@jjcooldude9700 Chara helped us & started looking for knives as little as LV 3. Meanwhile, they have no signs of even showing up in a neutral route at LV 17.

  • @mega7979
    @mega7979 6 місяців тому +8

    thank god someone finaly pointed out. in undertale, YOU are the villan, YOU killed everyone. Chara is more of a pacifist then frisk at this point. Chara in the genocide route only wants to finish what you started.

  • @Frisk133.
    @Frisk133. 6 місяців тому +12

    I like to think that Chara ain't either evil or good they're just neutral they don't care about whatever you as a player do if it's good or bad or whatever they just don't care since they're soulless they don't care about anything or anyone they're neutral they're fine if you kill everyone and they're fine if you don't or whatever you do and that's the accurate representation of a human in UT. And frisk is the reincarnation of Chara as unlike Kris frisk/Chara won't care about whether the player controls them or not

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому +1

      That's way to nihilistic and it's not even fitting into the canon

    • @MinorLife10
      @MinorLife10 4 місяці тому

      I think that nihilistic and apathetic Chara is rather their postmortal persona. After all, Flowey is also really nihiilistic having no soul left. I think that Chara did care about a lot when they were alive.

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 4 місяці тому

      @@MinorLife10 True, but even soulless beings can still have an emotional attachment of sorts
      Generally speaking: the only difference between fully alive and soulless is that soulless can't feel love, empathy or remorse. The only thing driving them is *DETERMINATION*
      They can still consciously want to be with someone

    • @GospodinWolf
      @GospodinWolf 3 місяці тому +1

      That's...just the canon Chara. Can't believe i haven't seen this comment before. You have my respect.

  • @mwwill5465
    @mwwill5465 6 місяців тому +20

    As a Chara main in VRChat, I have to deal with a lot of Sans on a daily basis. "Is that a Chara? Lets kill it!" They say, every time... Got used to it but very annoying.

    • @bababooey5402
      @bababooey5402 6 місяців тому +8

      That's even misinterpreting Sans, let alone Chara. Sans absolutely would *_NOT_* just randomly pick a fight; only thing he's picking is a place to nap, a joke to crack, a prank to pull, etc.
      May I remind everyone that Sans more than likely only fights Frisk out of obligation. Any other route, he barely lifts a finger, even after his brother dies.

    • @goodboi6329
      @goodboi6329 6 місяців тому +2

      Chara main

    • @oranjaglad8648
      @oranjaglad8648 6 місяців тому +5

      @@bababooey5402Also, does Sans even know who Chara is? At best I’d imagine him just knowing they were the royal family’s adoptive kid.

    • @iamcat1797
      @iamcat1797 6 місяців тому +4

      @@oranjaglad8648I know right. Same with Kris deltaruin fan are always like “Chara is trying to hurt Kris” and I’m sitting here like “they don’t even live in the same universe.”

    • @bababooey5402
      @bababooey5402 6 місяців тому +3

      @@oranjaglad8648 I'm not even sure he knows that far; he might not've ever cared to research the king/queen. He might not even know they had a proper child.

  • @Abraham_the_pierra
    @Abraham_the_pierra 6 місяців тому +38

    the CDS(Chara Defense Squad) aproves of this video

    • @Spiffy131
      @Spiffy131  6 місяців тому +9

      Glad to hear it!

    • @User_P1nk
      @User_P1nk 6 місяців тому +2

      I'm part of it, and I can confirm.

    • @coolDude-sx6we
      @coolDude-sx6we 6 місяців тому

      Same, why is the COS (Chara Offense Squad) always so insane with their hate for Chara lol

    • @Person76439
      @Person76439 6 місяців тому +1

      @@coolDude-sx6we The COS subreddit is incredibly reasonable with their claims. The only insane ones are the Chara Defenders lmao

    • @Abraham_the_pierra
      @Abraham_the_pierra 3 місяці тому +1

      ​1​@@Person76439* loads gun*

  • @YoungLife-sq7nd
    @YoungLife-sq7nd 6 місяців тому +4

    About Kris and Frisk, I find a better way of seeing this by thinking they are both the same person from different universes, with Kris being a Frisk who has been raised similarly to Chara, although there is not much backing this theory up other than the skin colors and eating literally anything they find on their hands.
    And also, one misconception in the Fandom is that the Real Knife and Worn Dagger are two different items, while they are actually the same item.
    If one just thinks even lightly about it, a question should arise: "who replaced the Worn Dagger and the Heart Locket with the Real Knife and The Locket in the Genocide Route?"
    The answer being no one did, as they are the same items seen through the lenses of the Genocide Route.
    A rusty dagger for a random person will look like a rusty worn dagger, but to the eyes of a serial killer that looks like an actual weapon compared to the previous items (a plastic knife, a singular leather glove, a pair of ballet shoes, a notebook, a burnt pan and an empty gun).
    For their ATK stat being vastly different, if we follow the "Narrachara theory", it might be Chara just making up their stats to gaslight the player/Frisk to equip it right away instead of keeping their stupid burnt pan / empty gun (these are the weapons you most likely have at this point).
    As for The Locket, if we still follow the "Narrachara" theory, the name change would make sense due to Chara recognizing the item as their Old Locket.
    Albeit this last theory could be completely demolished by just saying "Flowey placed the items there and instead of picking up the Worn Dagger he picked up an actual kitchen knife", even though it might not be even true since it's not sure if ASGORE has any kitchen utensils left.
    tl;dr : Frisk and Kris might be the same person but raised differently and the Real Knife and The Locket are the same items as the Worn Dagger and Heart Locket just seen through the eyes of a serial killer.

    • @NovaAeternus
      @NovaAeternus 6 місяців тому +1

      they are likely to be the same item, but what makes you think there would be no kitchen utensils in the kitchen

  • @Frozen_Shedinja
    @Frozen_Shedinja 6 місяців тому +7

    I just normally thought that Chara was a representation of the player in the events of Undertale, they share whatever you put the name as, as an example.

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому

      The name thing isn't even canon, but just a game mechanic
      Also there's literal backstory to Chara and Asriel, how could you miss it lol?

    • @Frozen_Shedinja
      @Frozen_Shedinja 6 місяців тому

      @@narrativeless404 i said "in the events of undertale" what I mean by that is what happens when frisk is goin through the underground

    • @averageyoutubehandle497
      @averageyoutubehandle497 4 місяці тому

      @@narrativeless404 "the name thing isnt even canon, its just a major event included in the main game." is what youre trying to argue, and thats bullshit. it is canon.

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 4 місяці тому

      @@averageyoutubehandle497 That isn't canon bruh
      Chara is Chara all the way, regardless of how you call it when you play the game

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 4 місяці тому

      @@Frozen_Shedinja Except that isn't what happens
      The only thing that actually happens is Chara's reincaranation

  • @A13x_666
    @A13x_666 6 місяців тому +6

    finally someone understands. this is exactly what i say about chara
    also, just imagine getting to LV 20 and stabbing the ground to destroy the universe
    wait, stabbing the ground...
    just like Kris does to make the dark fountain.
    hold on, i just made a theory while typing this...

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому

      Chara didn't stab the ground, they slashed in the air, as if attacking someone

    • @wildberrysherbert3803
      @wildberrysherbert3803 6 місяців тому

      @@narrativeless404 They didn't attack the air.
      They were attacking YOU

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому

      @@wildberrysherbert3803 That's still pretty much the same
      "YOU" isn't a physical object in their world

  • @thecdsupershow1901
    @thecdsupershow1901 6 місяців тому +12

    In my opinion, I portray Chara as a really nice person. The only reason they act evil is to get Frisk not to kill them, like Flowey/Asriel. After all, they were brothers for a while. And when Chara laughs, you’re just walking up to them in order to stab them, which is why all of the 999’s show up. But that’s just my prediction of the situation. Thanks for reading.

    • @skell6134
      @skell6134 6 місяців тому +3

      Wouldnt say nice person but not evil
      Asriel didnt have best opinion about Chara really

    • @maila319
      @maila319 6 місяців тому

      Chara is not evil, good nor morally grey. They are just morally ambiguous.

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому

      @@maila319 And what shoul THAT mean?
      I'm pretty sure their morality is really consistent, but muddied by their experience and resulting way viewing the world
      And they are likely to use violence as a method
      (except the world is actually kinda fucked up, and Chara is just making the most extreme childish response they could come up with)

    • @maila319
      @maila319 6 місяців тому

      @@narrativeless404 Chara is a controversial character because they just make no sense. We don't even know why Chara hates humans beyond making headcanons that they were mistreated by humans and wanted to commit suicide but just because Asriel said they climbed Mt Ebott for an unhappy reason which doesn't always mean they wanted to kill themself. People say Chara is the narrator in every route but there are just too many inconsistencies with this theory but my biggest problem is why Chara was far more proactive in the genocide run than in any other run if Chara is indeed the narrator in every run and why some of their lines on genocide sound happy-go-lucky despite the darker narration in genocide and why didn't they stop us from killing monsters and not humans and why did they kill monsters on the surface in the soulless pacifist run even though that clashes with their past and why they decided to guilt trip us into thinking we destroyed the world even though they destroyed the world regardless of our choice. These problems made me conclude that Chara despite not being necessarily evil LACKS MORALS which is why they are such a controversial character. You don't have to be evil to lack morals.

    • @averageyoutubehandle497
      @averageyoutubehandle497 4 місяці тому

      and thats why she destroys the world, and kills everyone after she gets your soul in genocide (soulless pacifist ending)? asriel straight up said she "wasnt the best person" and she was his best friend, i wouldnt say shes "really nice". she also says in 2nd genocide that she is the feeling you get when a stat rises - the feeling for which you do genocide, which im pretty sure is bad because it means shes your incentive to genocide, and also she laughed about asgore getting poisoned, thats awful.

  • @daltonexists8392
    @daltonexists8392 6 місяців тому +10

    One thing that i do find interesting (but don't think means anything) is that the face Chara makes whule laughing before killing you in Genocide is very similar to that of Gaster.

    • @maila319
      @maila319 6 місяців тому +2

      This is actually a much more interesting interpretation than the common interpretation that "Chara represents the consequences of the player's actions" because that common interpretation clashes with their past. This made me think that the one who destroys the world is not Chara but rather Gaster possessing Chara's dead body because it never made sense to me why Chara only had a proactive role in the genocide run in a way that clashed with their past rather than any other run if determination brought them back to life.

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому

      @@maila319 Why do you exist?
      *Get banished to the void Gaster lives in*

    • @WhoStoleKirya73
      @WhoStoleKirya73 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@maila319 i just realized, the save file menu before finishing chapter 1 of Deltarune is pretty heavily implied to be narrated by Gaster, and it does give us the "erase" option instead of resetting like Undertale

    • @averageyoutubehandle497
      @averageyoutubehandle497 4 місяці тому

      what is bro yapping about? the only part of gaster weve ever seen is the one the follower carries and it looks nothing like this.

  • @GospodinWolf
    @GospodinWolf 6 місяців тому +3

    Quick canon review of Chara in Undertale : as a human, they are a venegful child, whose wish is to take their revenge on humanity. "Chara" at the end of Genocide route is a soulless creature that looks up to Player's actions, whatever these are, and learns how to become powerful. So that's it. Yeah. That summs up the whole video.
    It is quite stupid to see Chara as a villain, but it is also stupid to not see "Chara" as not evil, since they have been taught to get power through evil deeds from the Player. You guys are no fun anymore.

    • @lod4246
      @lod4246 6 місяців тому

      Literally Cassidy

    • @GospodinWolf
      @GospodinWolf 6 місяців тому

      @@lod4246 Yeah

    • @bluevines1303
      @bluevines1303 3 місяці тому

      Wow someone understands NUANCE that's a first on this plane of hell we call the Internet

  • @dennmenn99
    @dennmenn99 6 місяців тому +3

    I always thought of chara as someone who was constantly at war with themself when they were still alive. I do believe a part of chara did want to do genuine good for monster but I also believe they were aware that it might also be an excuse to just get back at what humanity did to them. I think being considered “the hope of monster kind” by Asgore probably did not help what chara was feeling.

  • @Su_tarman6-Bio
    @Su_tarman6-Bio 6 місяців тому +5

    ❤*Thanks for covering this topic.

  • @SansINess53
    @SansINess53 6 місяців тому +6

    Chara is a normal kid (they arent the kindiest being but they can show that to other

  • @CR1MSONACE
    @CR1MSONACE 6 місяців тому +4

    The title reads like someone's about to reveal why a famous guy is actually suuuuper evil

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому

      No
      It's just way too similar to the title of Judjement Boy's video

  • @MingDaMong
    @MingDaMong 8 днів тому

    i swear there was a video like this which suggested chara fell down on purpose as attempted "purposeful unaliving of oneself"

  • @filipisagamer8144
    @filipisagamer8144 6 місяців тому +14

    Short answer: Chara and Frisk are basicly late Snowgrave Noelle

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому +2

      Chara
      Frisk is player character like Kris
      And Chara goes way further than SG Noelle could ever hope to

  • @moozcode6882
    @moozcode6882 3 місяці тому +3

    Finally someone has some natural sense.
    Insted of just sain "cHaRa wHy DiD yoU kILL EveRyONe ".
    Looks like undertale community is slowly but sturdy {hopefully} healing.
    BTW nice vid.

  • @Joe98912
    @Joe98912 6 місяців тому +2

    Yeah I understand this but here's a important question, why doesn't Chara act this way in a neutral run? You can still gather high LOVE and the route be canceled by leaving one enemy left to kill at the core, it doesn't make sense to me when leaving one enemy to live, that suddenly makes Chara "Yeah, I don't like it anymore" and we all know that they do enjoy killing by seeing them say "That was fun. Let's finished the job." in the demo. And why can we kill every boss (besides Undyne) in one hit in a genocide run and not in a neutral run? We can still get high LOVE and it doesn't matter, it's because of Chara is not there, only when they are, we are able to. Check the orange book in the library in Snowdin, it states: "The crueller the intentions of our enemies, the more their attacks will hurt us." They hate the monsters as well with humanity but I'm not saying they once did when they were alive but now once they're back? I believe so but I'll explain in the replies of this comment if you want me to explain further because this comment is already too long. And I like to say that I love this video regardless, it's very well made!

  • @justsans.
    @justsans. 6 місяців тому +5

    Glad to see more people have been noticing this about Chara. I’ve tried to tell a few friends of mine that Chara learns from YOU, not the other way around. But, I had to show them this video for them to actually believe me.

  • @narrativeless404
    @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому +1

    Oh yay
    A new one
    Btw, there's one thing about LV logic in UT: It's either inconsistent or just has nothing to go with Chara's mental state

  • @polishscribe674
    @polishscribe674 6 місяців тому +13

    *knowing that I didn't do a genocide run...
    *it fills me with Justice.

    • @arcticfluffyfoxy
      @arcticfluffyfoxy 6 місяців тому

      CLOVER?!?!?!?

    • @bloodrinker
      @bloodrinker 2 місяці тому

      HOLY $#!% IS THAT CLOVER?!?!

    • @polishscribe674
      @polishscribe674 2 місяці тому +1

      No, I just think Justice is the soul color that fits me the most.
      That or Integrity.

    • @nowh_8808
      @nowh_8808 2 місяці тому

      UTY REFERENCE???

    • @pulpingamerxd1939
      @pulpingamerxd1939 29 днів тому

      💛**save* **return*

  • @moon4236
    @moon4236 6 місяців тому +2

    Also Chara at the end of geno does not have a soul since they are dead making them like Flowey so ofc LV 20 soulless Chara isn't the same as pre death Chara just like Flowey and Asriel aren't the same.

  • @mrinsomniac2968
    @mrinsomniac2968 6 місяців тому +1

    for the kris theory part, you also have to remember what happens when kris reads about other humans as well as their backstory, they used to wear monster horns a lot when they were young this makes the link a lot stronger between him and chara, but lets not avoid frisk's importance, since they also share their traits aside of a blank expression and skin colour, they also seem to share hobbies as well along with frisk's cheeky nature
    kris is a fusion between the 2

  • @fandomotaku9921
    @fandomotaku9921 4 місяці тому +1

    Skin colour, expression, being controlled by the play, those things are all in common with Frisk. I think Kris is supposed to be a reflection of the relationship between Chara and Frisk in relation to the player; they're two people or one, it doesn't matter when it comes to being controlled.

  • @ediblepencil494
    @ediblepencil494 6 місяців тому +2

    in my honest opinion
    i headcanon that chara liked punk rock, specifically my chemical romance, and so does kris

  • @akbars6842
    @akbars6842 6 місяців тому +1

    I always wondered why everyone draws, talks, etc., about the fact that Chara is bad and it is she/he/they who takes possession of Frisk? When “Chara” “took over” Frisk, they did not listen to Sans, walked past the puzzles, attacked him, Asgore and Flowey themselves, but what if it was not Chara who did this, but Frisk? The player has Determination, that is WE are Determination that controls Frisk, and Chara, according to Asriel, no longer exists. Determination and a sense of power have taken over Frisk and therefore she/he/they cannot attack THEMSELVES or spare.
    Yes, dialogues with Chara and texts can refute this, but what if Chara only writes the text, nothing more.
    Frisk is human, and humans don't like monsters. Maybe at first Frisk obeys US and only wants the monsters to be happy, but when Determination comes to Genocide, and Frisk is still a child, how can they not go crazy? Therefore, Frisk takes over Determination (the Player) and does everything as they wanting, killing Sans, Asgore and Flowey, for the vengeance of the 6 fallen humans.
    But what about Chara? Chara hates humans, but not monsters, most likely THEY wanted to destroy humans and free monsters, because they and Asriel came up with this plan and wanted to get 6 Souls. She/he/they doesn't kill monsters, WE do. Chara is only cunningly luring US so that they can gain control of Frisk (after genocide) and make her/his/their plan real by destroying humanity in a soulless pacifist. And blurring the faces of the monsters in the photograph is just a reminder of what WE did so that WE would not forget about the genocide.

  • @maila319
    @maila319 6 місяців тому +2

    I actually don’t think Chara is evil, good nor even morally grey. Hell Chara has no concept of morality since the game leaves Chara's morality up to interpretation which is how people make evil, good and morally grey Chara headcanons. And the player/Frisk being evil is actually a misconception because we aren't committing genocide out of pure malice. We are doing it just to see what happens. There are many players who shed tears when watching their favorite characters die by their hands but continues the genocide run. Even Sans tells you that you are not doing it because you are evil but just because you think you can. Also unpopular opinion but Kris is way better than Chara.

  • @JulesAsecas
    @JulesAsecas 2 місяці тому

    "destroying the entire universe"? Bro I thought that final scene at the end of the genocide run was a POV of a death screen
    I assumed Chara just kill the player the same way they killed all the monsters

  • @Darkeststate
    @Darkeststate 2 місяці тому

    Actually, the mentions of Kris and Chara being so similar gave me a good idea. Possibly, they are so similar because they ultimately share the burden of being at your will. Their future is in your hands. Each, fighting back or taking control away from you at some point as well.
    This makes me think with being so similar, both in personalization and in actions, ultimately that is Kris’s role in Deltarune. They are their own person, like Chara, and their role will be made by you. You can make Kris a kind and caring person, even helping them through what seems to be hard times before you arrived and surround them with friends to help them. Or make Kris wallow in Despair at abusing and manipulating his own friends and ultimately push in them further into the concept of strength until it’s all they know. Same as Chara did except with…. More freezing and less murder.

  • @stormfiretheog9183
    @stormfiretheog9183 6 місяців тому +2

    This is so true i actually have done a lot of reaserch about chara and would like to say my own theory, and it's even more in debt. showing that chara isn't evil! Chara fell in the underground and it is known thst they did it for not a happy reson like you said. Also one thing when you check the faided ribbon chara says. "If your cuter monsters might not hit you as hard!" Witch is actually such a disturbing answear- that basically already says something that happened too then in the surface bit if you need more of a nudge it basically intigates that chara was most likely abused by humans in the surface thus they're hate for humans there's also evidence of it for when you check the tools they're filed down sp they're safe and the knife's and anything sharp is hidden and we fully know that chara did not mean any harm too the dreamers and its actually that thry might have wanted too use it on themselves- so what we know chara was in a very bad state in the surface Nd climbed the mounten too commit suicide... but in instead of them dying they were taken in by the dreamers who showed them kindness and love for the first time!! And I've had some people argue that they were just "pretending" too be nice but that is complelty wrong actually!! In genoside you can find stuff chara made for them a sweather made for asgore with a writing sown on it "Mr. Dad Guy." Macarony art of a flower even and written on it is 'for king Dad!' They most literally pored they're hearts out and created stuff for them becuse they were the only people who actually showed them kindness... why wouldn't they do it? And now here's the other thing people yell at me on. "BUT THAT WAS JUST A SCEEM SO CHARA CAN GATHER THE HUMAN SOULS AND KILL EVRY HUMAN ALIVE!!" But that's far from truth!! We all know thst the plan started when chara and Asriel were making some pie for Asgore and acsidently mistook cups of butter for butter cups and don't start saying "NAH THRY DID THAT ON PURPISE" remember they're kids we did all sorts of stupid things as kids. So as we all know asgore gets sick and there is a quote of asriel saying that he should have laughed it off like chara did and NO chara did not enjoy asgores pain!! There are numurios of evidence even in real life that some people use laughter too cope with pain! I myself experienced it too!! And usually people with this problem most likely have gone trough abuse or truama witchbis another thing making it posseble that chara really was abused!! And so they're plan was done now fully knowing the butter cups are poisenes they used it too kill themselves for the plan. Witch is a terrible way too go symptoms of it is bloody dieria blistering of mouth extreme vometing and so on. And Chara didn't manipulate Asriel into going with the plan Asriel went with it without hesitation he only got sceared and worked once he notuced in how much pain chara was. But afther that asriel and chara went up and tried too do it though the humans attacked Asriel without mercy as us humans attack what we don't understand chara begged asriel too fight back becuse they were dying!! But asriel didn't Witch resolved in they're death... chara didn't wanna kill all humans they just needed the 7. And afther chara Is resurected by our determination they're confused sceared they don't understand why they're back. They're plan had failed. If you do genoside multiple time chara will say how disgusted they are by you!! And how much they actually hate you. You killed evryone they love and keep in mind they're a kod so you manipulated them into thinking this was right and chara still proped you too try a difrent ending then genoside if you don't listen and do it again they're disgusted by you and hate you for it. So that's my theory chara is in no way shape or form evil. Sure they made mistakes but they were just a kid! Also there's another thing I noticed chara goes complelty silent COMPLELTY trough genoside necuse they just keep on saying ". . ." So they were defiently not enjoying it either!

  • @animemaster4412
    @animemaster4412 6 місяців тому +4

    Chara was a decent person with a hidden dark side when they were alive. The genocide run awaked that dark side, giving them the realization about how much they enjoy destruction and killing. That’s my interpretation

  • @calebdemosthene284
    @calebdemosthene284 6 місяців тому +2

    had a theory that frisk somehow died when they fell.no matter which optuon you pick at the end of a true pasifist run they go along.and since frisk is supposed to be a self insert it makes sense

  • @Over0w0MeAmTheHotel
    @Over0w0MeAmTheHotel 6 місяців тому +4

    I think Kris Deltarune are Frisk and Chara Undertale in a trenchcoat

  • @hopelessamaturerougeofhope4399
    @hopelessamaturerougeofhope4399 6 місяців тому +2

    God i remember when i thought chara was evil the whole time but than later saw the details that they aren't evil but just misguided by Us

  • @Arid909
    @Arid909 6 місяців тому

    Both Chara and Kris are influenced by the players actions, leading me to believe that if you kill enemies in Deltarune, Kris will go down that bad path just as Chara did. This will cause Kris to take back control as we see them attempt at the end of Deltarune Chapters 1 & 2, with that infamous "Since when were you the one in control?" line.

  • @Person76439
    @Person76439 6 місяців тому +9

    *sigh* you do realize most of the fandom already thinks this, right? Judgement Boy beat you to spreading this narrative that Chara is innocent.
    1. Chara cannot be the narrator. There are too many plot holes this creates, such as failing to explain why the text in the True Lab is all garbled, or why the narrator somehow knows Alphys's box is a bed yet doesn't know Toriel's plants are water sausages without reading a book. The narrator is a non-character intended to convey the story the way it sees fit, and Chara hyjacks it on Genocide.
    2. Chara is not corrupted by LV. You can get LV 7 in the Ruins without triggering Genocide, but you CAN trigger genocide at LV 4. Their appearance is based strictly around the kill count, meaning they join out of their own desire and not from any external corruption.
    3. Chara supports/condones the route from beginning to end, calling you a "failure" if you abort. They say "That was fun, let's finish the job" after you finish the demo on Genocide.
    4. Chara was emotionally manipulative to Asriel, there's a well written essay by Tumblr user "nochocolate" that dissects their behavior.
    5. Chara says themself that they embody the feeling you get when stats go up. They symbolize the type of player more intent on reaching the brim/limit of stats in a game rather than enjoy it the way it's intended. When you choose to remain in Undertale, they cannot understand, calling your sentimental attachment to a world they see as worthless "perverted".

    • @maila319
      @maila319 6 місяців тому +1

      Finally an opinion that doesn't sing Chara praise at all like everyone else here does!

    • @emirturkmen4524
      @emirturkmen4524 6 місяців тому

      Chara "not getting corrupted by LOVE" is only there for a gameplay reason, as if they just got revived from love at the ruins they would have to return to being dead if you quit genocide, which would make no sense. That's why Chara only actually returns back to life in New Home, after you're locked into the genocide route.
      Other than that though, thank you so much. By far the best comment on the video

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому +1

      This view completely destroys Undertale's message and justifies Sans AUs
      *GET EXORCISED*

    • @emirturkmen4524
      @emirturkmen4524 6 місяців тому

      @@narrativeless404 This is the Undertale fandom equivalent of comparing someone to Hitler

    • @Person76439
      @Person76439 6 місяців тому +1

      @@narrativeless404 You clearly don't understand Undertale's message if you think holding a character accountable for their own choices somehow goes against it.
      "Justifies Sans AUs" is such a blatantly ignorant statement that simply reinforces the idea you are a kid being brainwashed by the random excuses/strawmans Defenders use to shun Offenders lol

  • @SansINess53
    @SansINess53 6 місяців тому +1

    In dusttale, chara is just the aftermath of your actions and this time, they decide to stop you from reseting.

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому +1

      Dusttale is the original(likely first) Sans AU
      And Chara was definitely portrayed as a villain
      And don't forget how Human somehow "can't" beat Sans in Dusttale
      Also how Sans literally remembers every RESET and decides to kill everyone? And how he allegedly "can" destroy Save points?
      Yeah, that's *bullshit!*
      *GET OUT OF MY EYES, FANGIRL!!!*

    • @SansINess53
      @SansINess53 6 місяців тому +1

      @@narrativeless404 I'm a fanboy.

  • @mylittleyuriclan4621
    @mylittleyuriclan4621 2 місяці тому +1

    i keep saying the same thing and get called a simp

  • @kristsdabolins2642
    @kristsdabolins2642 3 місяці тому

    You know what especially pisses me off about people who say Chara is evil or any essay about that is the absolute purposeful misinterpretation and twisting of known information about Chara in the worst possible ways that completely go against the core themes of the game.

  • @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan
    @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan 6 місяців тому +1

    You got the details of Chara 100% correct good job! Also I've kind of thought of Kris as a fusion of Chara and Frisk. You mentioned the obvious parallels between Kris and both Chara and Frisk but missed one comparison that Kris and Frisk have: they are the player character. Because of that alone that could mean Friks and Kris are parallels, but the details with Chara definitely make it feel like there is more then just one or the other to me

  • @aureliamastergoomba1278
    @aureliamastergoomba1278 4 місяці тому +1

    3:39
    I think that’s more of Chara destroying the files of the game.
    I recall that Toby Fox said the original intent was to have the game delete itself, but he couldn’t get it to work.

    • @averageyoutubehandle497
      @averageyoutubehandle497 4 місяці тому

      He actually got it to work but steam and gog didn't allow it or something like that

  • @TiMBanGboNganddroy
    @TiMBanGboNganddroy 6 місяців тому +1

    Well, she was possessed or something which major kill when is of monsters, but it’s not her fault she’s not evil she was possessed or something when she was a child. Anyways, Cara is just a child.

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому

      Not posessed, just reincarnated like Flowey into a soulless state by DETERMINATION

  • @starrystarss
    @starrystarss 26 днів тому

    3:22 I’m pretty sure frisk really is chara. in the end of the genocide route you can just see their original appearance/form. chara also says she was “reincarnated” meaning reborn in a new form, just like flowey did (was asriel).

    • @starrystarss
      @starrystarss 26 днів тому

      this is just my theory which i believe atm

  • @aureliamastergoomba1278
    @aureliamastergoomba1278 4 місяці тому

    2:19
    The difference is Frisk being the player’s character in the game has the ability to go back and undo previous mistakes, Chara doesn’t.
    For the hatred for humanity and climbing mountain for not happy reasons is the fact it’s heavily implied that Chara was abused on the surface, and climbed the mountain to take their own life.

    • @averageyoutubehandle497
      @averageyoutubehandle497 4 місяці тому

      Or maybe she was just a piece of [work] and she actually killed someone so she was banished by humans.

    • @aureliamastergoomba1278
      @aureliamastergoomba1278 3 місяці тому

      The point is, they don’t want to hurt monsters!

    • @aureliamastergoomba1278
      @aureliamastergoomba1278 3 місяці тому

      Also you expect what’s probably a child, to be able to kill multiple people?
      One of the items (faded ribbon) says “If you’re cuter, monsters won’t hit you as hard” it’s implied Chara was abused on the surface.

  • @kitty1515
    @kitty1515 6 місяців тому +1

    If you said one false thing about Chara I could start a real fire as Chara is my favorite character. The video was nice, it's just a pity there was nothing about how thanks to Chara we have a pacifist run.

  • @Abraham_the_pierra
    @Abraham_the_pierra 3 місяці тому +1

    Chara isn't evil, they just do a little trolling, a couple shenanigans, a miniscule amount of tomfoolery.

  • @ChimeraLotietheBunny
    @ChimeraLotietheBunny 6 місяців тому +2

    Another great analysis of chara in this day and age of what sort of human they are

  • @kingmagikarp97
    @kingmagikarp97 6 місяців тому +7

    I'm part of the Chara defense squad, she/they isn't evil or the villain in geno, WE are.

  • @user-er3rv9je8w
    @user-er3rv9je8w Місяць тому

    I thought that everyone agreed that Chara isn't evil and that YOU are the villain. Didn't know this was still a debate

  • @Chaos_God_Chara
    @Chaos_God_Chara 3 місяці тому +2

    Few years late but i appreciate the effort

  • @Cynthesilly
    @Cynthesilly 2 місяці тому

    DON'T SCARE ME LIKE THAT AGAIN WHEN YOU SAID "I'm talking abt Chara. Hear me out"

  • @ame4kitty
    @ame4kitty 6 місяців тому

    at some point or another i was working on a fangame that explores Chara as a person, showing that they aren't evil but definitely had a mischievous side. of course i suck ass at programming so it's getting turned into a fanfic instead. hopefully anyone who reads it learns the preconceived notion of Chara's supposed villainy is a fan-made fabrication

  • @aureliamastergoomba1278
    @aureliamastergoomba1278 4 місяці тому

    I feel bad for Chara, as it feels like the community always misjudges them.

  • @abhikergaming7783
    @abhikergaming7783 3 місяці тому

    While this is an interesting theory it's just as likely as her being evil, both Chara being evil and just being missunderstood have proof to support them.
    In all reality it's more which one you personally support as both of them are just as likely to be canon.

  • @insertuncreativenamehere
    @insertuncreativenamehere 6 місяців тому +2

    Give Chara hug

  • @Nittle69420
    @Nittle69420 6 місяців тому

    The "your choices dont matter" thing in deltarune is being tooken to much at face value in chaper 2 there are a lot of things that change what happens like how the snowgrave route traumatizes noelle i feel like this is the same as the "kill or be killed" in undertale where you can prove flowey wrong or correct

    • @Nittle69420
      @Nittle69420 6 місяців тому

      I know theres no commas this isnt being graded why tf would i use grammar in a yt comment section

    • @averageyoutubehandle497
      @averageyoutubehandle497 4 місяці тому

      ​@@Nittle69420if you take each letter you typed here and replaced it with a coma/dot/etc you'd have a properly worded comment instead of a poorly worded one + a comment to explain why it's that way.

    • @Nittle69420
      @Nittle69420 4 місяці тому

      ​@@averageyoutubehandle497im lazy

  • @Anti-furry977
    @Anti-furry977 2 місяці тому

    Chara, from the video game "Undertale," is often portrayed as morally ambiguous or potentially malevolent due to their actions within the game's narrative. While interpretations of Chara vary, a compelling argument for their negative qualities stems from their pivotal role in the game's genocide route. In this route, Chara encourages the player to exterminate every monster encountered, actively driving them towards violence and destruction. This manipulation of the player's choices to commit genocide speaks to Chara's underlying malevolence, suggesting a desire for power and control over others. Furthermore, Chara's past actions, such as their poisoning and eventual demise, cast a shadow over their character, raising questions about their true intentions. Their association with the eradication of an entire species underscores a darker aspect of their personality, emphasizing their capacity for ruthless and harmful actions. Thus, while interpretations may vary, these elements collectively paint a picture of Chara as a character with significant negative traits and motivations within the context of "Undertale."

  • @Peppy2975
    @Peppy2975 6 місяців тому +1

    I'd like to point out a dialogue you get by doing 3 or more genocides (I think it's 3)
    "a different path might be better suited." Chara actively suggests that you stop killing, and start on a better route. they're tired of it. they're tired of YOU killing.
    in the same dialogue they also insult you for recreating the world and destroying it over and over, stating you are "wracked with a perverted sentimentality", further showing that they don't want you to be doing this

    • @averageyoutubehandle497
      @averageyoutubehandle497 4 місяці тому

      She suggests another route only to kill people in the ending of that route if you do it, so she basically lied for the purpose of harming or inflicting pain on others... Hmm sounds kinda like category 5 of diagnosis of sadistic personality disorder in the DSM III.

  • @The_Real_Flowey
    @The_Real_Flowey 3 місяці тому

    Chara killed more people than the player due to erasing the world at the end of the genocide route killing an entire universe rather than the few hundred we killed

  • @wraughtwithrat
    @wraughtwithrat 6 місяців тому

    there being a villain in the undertale genocide route would undermine the entire point of the player being a terrible person

  • @Cap.R
    @Cap.R 6 місяців тому +1

    They aren’t evil.. but from evidence I’ve gathered from the true lab tapes, I think they were abusive over asriel?

  • @thiagofungames
    @thiagofungames 3 місяці тому

    5:34 Look, Frisk is suposed to be Chara's reincarnation, and we know nothing about Frisk, just about Chara. So it makes more sense that Frisk is Chara, but i think Kris is THAT second reincarnation of Chara, wich is Frisk... while still being Chara, but not in the same "life time".

  • @antinixsupernova
    @antinixsupernova 6 місяців тому +3

    For a LOOOOONG while ive known that chara was not the villian

  • @eliteplier
    @eliteplier 6 місяців тому +3

    Chara should better call Saul

  • @alan62036
    @alan62036 6 місяців тому

    Wasn't sure there were still people that thought Chara was the villain. Sure, I've seen people meme about it or use the idea in au's, but not actually take it as canon.

  • @Krypto12
    @Krypto12 6 місяців тому

    Let’s be honest player was the one responsible for the genocide. And Chara who we don’t know practically anything about happened to be the perfect person to blame for the genocide.

  • @melo-7904
    @melo-7904 Місяць тому +1

    3:06
    my personal headcanon on why chara can "destroy" the universe at the end of a geno route is that they are not actually destroying it but resetting but with you not in control giving the appearance the universe was destroyed from your point of view effectively tricking you into forcing a reset to prevent you from doing another geno route

  • @djcupcake8662
    @djcupcake8662 6 місяців тому +1

    People still don’t know this In 2024? How?

    • @maila319
      @maila319 6 місяців тому

      Because Chara is a poorly written character that's why there is so much controversy around this character.

  • @The_Joshuan_Empire
    @The_Joshuan_Empire 6 місяців тому +2

    for you guys that dont feel like watching, chara is NOT responsible for the genocide route.

  • @Void_Echoes
    @Void_Echoes 6 місяців тому

    I feel like one thing people neglect to realise is that, being literally dead, Chara lacks a soul, and as we should all know from Flowey a soulless being effectively lacks the ability to feel empathy, which adds to the explanation of how they’d be influenced by our actions

  • @AverageDev506
    @AverageDev506 2 місяці тому +1

    ok here's the thing: chara was the one who wanted to "use their full power", so that kinda shows that: hey! chara is kinda insane when it comes to killing humans! i mean, who in there right mind would find murder justified. just my opinion, but i think chara was still a tad bit evil.

    • @CharaDreemurrfan
      @CharaDreemurrfan 2 місяці тому

      That makes Asgore evil,that makes Undyne evil,that makes most of monsterkind evil by your logic.They all wanted monsters to be free,Chara included.

    • @praintt
      @praintt 2 місяці тому +1

      @@CharaDreemurrfanChara is evil.
      Sure, you might’ve watched videos like this, but what you might not have realized that what Chara did right was significantly more talked about than what Chara did wrong.
      To start off, Chara is smart. They knew how to speak in a formal manner as a kid (as shown at the end of the genocide route) and in the Japanese translation, Chara speaks a harder and more advanced Japanese style of talking (which sadly I forgot the name of) than the other monsters.
      This also means Chara is smart enough to understand the difference of good and bad, and during the genocide route, chose the bad.
      Another thing; Chara called thousands of monsters who probably have a family pointless. The echo flower states that there are over a thousand monsters in the underground. You kill about a hundred. Chara not only calls them pointless at the end of the genocide route, but they also erase the world; they die because of Chara.
      Another thing; this video states that Chara isn’t a VILLAIN. The video does not say Chara is good or pure.

    • @AverageDev506
      @AverageDev506 Місяць тому

      i had to edit the comment used the wrong quote XD

  • @TheSkyGuy77
    @TheSkyGuy77 6 місяців тому +1

    Chara is the only character whom was able to stop the player's rampage. Too bad it took until the end of the no mercy run for them to re-appear.

    • @maila319
      @maila319 6 місяців тому

      Except even if we choose not to destroy the world, Chara still does.

    • @emirturkmen4524
      @emirturkmen4524 6 місяців тому

      ​@@maila319So we can move onto the next. Chara doesn't stop us, just helps us continue (presumably to other games, to fit with the meta themes)

    • @maila319
      @maila319 6 місяців тому

      @@emirturkmen4524 that doesn't make their actions any less evil though

    • @emirturkmen4524
      @emirturkmen4524 6 місяців тому

      @@maila319 Oh I assumed you were saying they weren't evil, my bad we agree

    • @maila319
      @maila319 6 місяців тому

      @@emirturkmen4524 tbh you worded your reply as if you think chara did nothing wrong like many defenders do but I also expect you are not an offender who thinks chara is a psycho who enjoys evil

  • @glitch-xega
    @glitch-xega 6 місяців тому

    I completely agree with this, and I have another idea I was thinking about. If you do a genocide route twice in a row, as many might already know, Chara basically says "okay mate, this is really weird what's wrong with you". This shows that Chara still has sympathy (even if only a litttle). And thus hates the player as well, this is why when you try to play the Pacifest route after a geno route, Chara stops you and kills everyone. Chara is telling you "there is no turning back, you showed me this route partner." And since you showed Chara said route they hate, humans, they hate monsters. And they hate you... why shouldn't they, you did kill who they once cared about.

  • @user-ht5bv9wj2y
    @user-ht5bv9wj2y 6 місяців тому +3

    There's also the problem opposite. People who thinks that chara is totally innocent and kind. They aren't the cause of the genocide route, neither evil, but it was also implied that they were manipulative towards asriel and they still were ready to kill 6 humans.

    • @maila319
      @maila319 6 місяців тому +1

      Glad that someone also thinks about the opposite side.

  • @EndlessPiplup
    @EndlessPiplup 3 місяці тому

    I think one of the best pieces of evidence is actually from Chara. If you choose to not destroy the world, Chara infamously says, "Since when were you the one in control?" While many people see this as Chara admitting to being responsible, I think this is actually Chara mocking you for blaming them. Think about it this way: If Chara really was the "one in control," then why should the player get any say in what becomes of the world? It's less of a, "I'm in control!!!" and more of a, "Oh? So you think you can choose what becomes of this world? That's funny, cause I thought you said I was the one doing all of this...how curious..."

  • @RetroGAME
    @RetroGAME 6 місяців тому +3

    just because you were raised to be evil
    doesn't mean that you're not evil.
    same thing can be applied to Chara,
    our actions caused Chara to "become evil".
    becoming Evil is still Evil.

    • @LiMe251
      @LiMe251 6 місяців тому +1

      It is exclusive to genocide. In that case, Frisk is also evil.

    • @RetroGAME
      @RetroGAME 6 місяців тому +1

      @@LiMe251 well frisk does give out creepy smiles and find amusement in doing it then yeah. he's evil too or at least evil minded.

    • @xatime2833
      @xatime2833 6 місяців тому +2

      ​@@RetroGAME congrats, you missed the point of the game.

    • @RetroGAME
      @RetroGAME 6 місяців тому +1

      @@xatime2833 I know what the game is about. I'm only saying if you make someone evil. then they're evil regardless of it's origins. that's only my main point.
      just because a bank robber was raised by crooks doesn't mean the bank robber isn't evil.

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому

      @@RetroGAME Game's whole theme is nobody is actually bad, just flawed and wronged in different ways
      It's up to you whether you fix it by being good, or fuck everything over by "playing it like any other RPG game"

  • @Foxes4035
    @Foxes4035 3 місяці тому +1

    but why she took over us after the pacifist (post genocide) she should be lvl 1 and not entirely evil no ?

  • @joeypickering5273
    @joeypickering5273 6 місяців тому +2

    Chara isn’t a VILLAIN.
    YOU are.
    YOU killed them all.
    YOU did this.
    YOU influenced them.

    • @-NotSomeone-
      @-NotSomeone- 6 місяців тому

      Chara actually hates snowflake things, if i accidentally don't kil em genocide stops also in true lab It mocks his mamma

    • @UnoriginalJokester
      @UnoriginalJokester 6 місяців тому

      You being responsible doesn't exonerate Chara from also being a villain.

    • @maila319
      @maila319 6 місяців тому +2

      ​@@UnoriginalJokesterYeah what Chara did at the end of the genocide run is evil because they destroy the world regardless of your choice. No amount of excuse is gonna justify that at all. However what I believe is that Chara as a WHOLE is NOT evil. They just lack morality and are soulless that's all.

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому

      @@maila319 Ok, that's understandable

  • @MalmartheReckoning
    @MalmartheReckoning 6 місяців тому +1

    I mean, the thing is that we got over this misinterpretation years ago

  • @MinorLife10
    @MinorLife10 3 місяці тому

    It is funny how while Frisk is a rather generic kid anyone can associate with, Chara feels more relatable. At least, for me.

  • @ChimeraLotietheBunny
    @ChimeraLotietheBunny 6 місяців тому +2

    Another great analysis of chara in this day and age of what sort of human they ate

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 6 місяців тому

      are*
      It's not Horrortale tf

    • @averageyoutubehandle497
      @averageyoutubehandle497 4 місяці тому

      Counter overanalyzing!!!!
      Chara literally could be medically diagnosed with sadistic personality disorder -
      She shares symptoms with sadistic Personality disorder as based on the dsm 3:
      According to the DSM-III-R diagnostic criteria Sadistic personality disorder is defined by a pervasive pattern of sadistic and cruel behavior that begins in early adulthood. It was defined by four of the following.
      1.Has used physical cruelty or violence for the purpose of establishing dominance in a relationship (not merely to achieve some noninterpersonal goal, such as striking someone in order to rob him/her).
      2.Humiliates or demeans people in the presence of others.
      3.Has treated or disciplined someone under his/her control unusually harshly.
      4.Is amused by, or takes pleasure in, the psychological or physical suffering of others (including animals).
      5.Has lied for the purpose of harming or inflicting pain on others (not merely to achieve some other goal).
      6.Gets other people to do what he/she wants by frightening them (through intimidation or even terror).
      7.Restricts the autonomy of people with whom he or she has a close relationship, e.g., will not let spouse leave the house unaccompanied or permit teenage daughter to attend social functions.
      8.Is fascinated by violence, weapons, injury, or torture.
      Chara fits categories 1(do not erase), 3(Asriel after absorbing her soul), 4(being mean to Asriel just cause, laughing at asgores pain, killing everyone in soulless pacifist), 5(speaks like she wants you to do pacifist because it's morally right when she actually commits murder in it), 6(jumpscare in genocide after you don't do what she wants), 8(where are the knives?), and could be debated to fit 7 because she literally leaves you in a black screen for 10 minutes, and it could be debated it's a close relationship (from her pov) because she calls you "partner". The required minimum to diagnose is 4 and she fits 6/7. Also She doesn't fit the categories of aspd, or se*ual sadism disorder which is a requirement to be diagnosed with sadistic personality disorder. (Just making my argument 100% undebatable)
      GET REKT CHARA DEFENDERS I HAVE THE DSM 3 ON MY SIDE AND YOU HAVE NOTHING!! MWAHAHAHA!!

    • @narrativeless404
      @narrativeless404 4 місяці тому

      @@averageyoutubehandle497 Also this is spamming
      I'm reppporrttinngg yooouuuu
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      Connection lost

  • @TheHardestBoiled
    @TheHardestBoiled 6 місяців тому +2

    When I saw this video on my feed it was 666 views
    Very suspicious..

    • @Spiffy131
      @Spiffy131  6 місяців тому +1

      Ahhh we don’t want to alert that man who speaks in hands

  • @MasterSeeker444
    @MasterSeeker444 6 місяців тому

    Also in both True pacifist and geno, you are for filling the profecy by either freeing the underground by breaking the barrier or freeing the underground by killing presumably all monsters and free them from their prison.

  • @LlucidMC
    @LlucidMC 2 місяці тому

    Might be wrong but i feel like chara got their ability to destroy the world or "reset" from the player, like they prob got it from the player's ability to respawn, reset and delete
    Since undertale has talked about reset, respawn and such a lot
    i see no reason why chara couldn't harness the power lol
    as they said "since when we're you in charge" probably indicated that chara is frisk but op idk