That's right. Chara wasn't evil, and didn't kill all those monsters. YOU did. The whole "With your guidance-" makes it clear that Chara was just learning from what the player did.
@@Magma-Idiot-2001 true, true I say debatable for sans, as the sound effect that plays is not the one when a monster dies, but the battle ending one so we don't know if he actually died So really, Chara officially killed one person in the entire route
2016 Undertale Fandom misCHARActerization starterpack: > Overly-sexualized anime-girl Frisk > Edgy as fuck Sans (will destroy the Universe if Papyrus gets a bruise) > Asgore = Satan > Chara = evil incarnate (also overly sexualized anime girl) > Alphys? Who the fuck is that?
I think what people don’t get is that Chara wasn’t the best person they were flawed, BUT SO IS EVERY OTHER CHARACTER IN UNDERTALE. the whole point of the game is the look past all them and see the good people hidden within them, if Toby Fox just made Chara to be “oh yeah the super evil phyco girl” would literally be destroying the message of the game
We don’t think they’re evil we just use them as a villain because they are scary demon child who jumpscares you. We can’t use asgore (he’s too sympathetic), we can’t use flowey (he gets humiliated by us in genocide) and we can’t use frisk because that would waste the potential of their character. Edit: also just because you don’t like a certain artist/writer’s interpretation of a character doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist and if you do you are literally gatekeeping stories from existing just because you think the canon counterparts are superior. Creativity is this fandoms biggest strength and you wish to stifle it.
@@resumethyvideo7631 Yeah, true But that's not an excuse for making cheap and repetitive stories about recolored Sanses If you WANT to make Chara a villain of your story, then at least GIVE A GOOD REASON for it that's not something like "Chara does infinite genocide loops so Sans becomes OP and blasts them out of existence" childish stupid shit That's what ruined the Fandom There's simply way too many Sans AUs
Don't forget that they did this also in order to take revenge on humans (from Asriel we know that Chara hated humanity, and that they wanted to kill people, but Asriel did not allow it). In addition, Chara was a problem child (which can be found out by watching tapes in the true laboratory)
@@NOTaNaBCNo, plan was to take six other souls, when monsters attack Asriel only then Chara wants Asriel to defend himself, but Asriel refuses... Remember Chara committing suicide, only for Asriel to absorb their soul wasn't something known, yes humans knew that combining both souls will create powerful being, but nobody knew how exactly will that work, what if concious mind of Chara in the moment of absorbtion of their soul would vanished, that's why Chara told everything about the plan, because Chara don't exactly know what will happen, but still Chara will remains, the same as Asriel's, they can communicate, Chara doesn't talk about killing humans, only after they attack Asriel, they beg Asriel to defend them Chara isn't the greatest person, but they are not that evil, missguided absolutely, depressed indeed, but they are also loving, they love monsters and would give their life for them to be free
@@Person76439 there is no evidence that Chara wanted to exact revenge on humans, only that she hated humanity Also why Chara told Asriel to collect 6 other souls before attempting suicide if Chara could have just said it after their soul was absorbed by Asriel, maybe because they didn't know that they would share conciousness
@@Person76439i think Chara just wanted Asriel to bring chaos among humans somehow after absorbing the soul because of their hate of humanity, they just messed up because they left that idea win instead of just free the monsters
The undertale community has been working to undo all the old fanon stuff from 2015-2019-ish. Like we are getting rid of the old fanon sans stuff, and are starting to handle the lore more accurately. Chara is also a good example of this.
What do you mean by that?? Sans might not be some edgy character but he's still a depressed and just overall sad guy. As for Chara I personally think both sides are right on this topic and it's more about which side you're on, because let's be honest there's a lot of speculation and interpretation for Charas actions and deeds
@@abhikergaming7783 i never said he wasnt a depressed or sad guy lol, just that he isnt the type to start crying n stuff, he keeps everything personal, and most def processes his emotions internally, you wont see him cry, even when paps dies hes more pissed at you than anything, while hes probably moreso crying on the inside. also the chara stuff is mostly up to interperetation as we dont have alotta info abt them
I find it kind of funny that the vast majority of us misunderstood the game calling us out and punishing us for our actions as “you didn’t do it, this child did”. I am definitely guilty of this and find it kind of funny how many of us got it wrong initially, and then realized a year or two later what was actually happening. Chara has actually become one of my favorite characters because of how interesting their story is for a character we only see once in the whole game.
That's because Chara and the player share the same name because Chara is supposed to represent the player to a certain degree though not the same entity, i'd like to think it's because of that misunderstood rather than just because they decided to blame Chara out of nowhere
And also they said about Chara destroying universe. 'End this pointless world and move onto next.' could mean they want us to do other route. Chara slash the screen in attempt in deleting the game as in making the player couldn't reset and do genocide again because we're the one in control(as in having control), sorry for bad eng
Undertale Players: Goes out of their way to kill every last monster they can find just to see what happens. Also Undertale Players: Why did Chara make me do this??
@@maila319 they literally share all of the traits of severe aspd or even sadistic personality disorder. That means they either dont have morals at all or they actively enjoys other pain and suffering.
@@maila319 Chara literally could be medically diagnosed with sadistic personality disorder - She shares symptoms with sadistic Personality disorder as based on the dsm 3: According to the DSM-III-R diagnostic criteria Sadistic personality disorder is defined by a pervasive pattern of sadistic and cruel behavior that begins in early adulthood. It was defined by four of the following. 1.Has used physical cruelty or violence for the purpose of establishing dominance in a relationship (not merely to achieve some noninterpersonal goal, such as striking someone in order to rob him/her). 2.Humiliates or demeans people in the presence of others. 3.Has treated or disciplined someone under his/her control unusually harshly. 4.Is amused by, or takes pleasure in, the psychological or physical suffering of others (including animals). 5.Has lied for the purpose of harming or inflicting pain on others (not merely to achieve some other goal). 6.Gets other people to do what he/she wants by frightening them (through intimidation or even terror). 7.Restricts the autonomy of people with whom he or she has a close relationship, e.g., will not let spouse leave the house unaccompanied or permit teenage daughter to attend social functions. 8.Is fascinated by violence, weapons, injury, or torture. Chara fits categories 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, and could be debated to fit 7 because she literally leaves you in a black screen for 10 minutes, and it could be debated it's a close relationship (from her pov) because she calls you "partner". The required minimum to diagnose is 4 and she fits 6/7. Also She doesn't fit the categories of aspd, or se*ual sadism disorder which is a requirement to be diagnosed with sadistic personality disorder. (Just making my argument 100% undebatable)
I think Canon Chara has a mischievous streak and like Kris enjoys chocolates, and has interest in knives, is best friends with their brother, and likes to prank/tease others and their brother sometimes. And loves monsters but hates humanity. They were a little like Susie too. *But got corrupted do to our genocides.*
As a Chara main in VRChat, I have to deal with a lot of Sans on a daily basis. "Is that a Chara? Lets kill it!" They say, every time... Got used to it but very annoying.
That's even misinterpreting Sans, let alone Chara. Sans absolutely would *_NOT_* just randomly pick a fight; only thing he's picking is a place to nap, a joke to crack, a prank to pull, etc. May I remind everyone that Sans more than likely only fights Frisk out of obligation. Any other route, he barely lifts a finger, even after his brother dies.
@@oranjaglad8648I know right. Same with Kris deltaruin fan are always like “Chara is trying to hurt Kris” and I’m sitting here like “they don’t even live in the same universe.”
@@oranjaglad8648 I'm not even sure he knows that far; he might not've ever cared to research the king/queen. He might not even know they had a proper child.
Chara is also soulless,similar to Flowey. They lost their soul after Asriel died with it. Flowey literally says this,and he was WITH them when they both died. He of all people would know this. “You’re not human,are you?” “You’re empty inside,just like me.” “Infact.” “You’re Chara,aren’t you?” And then he wonders why the hell he’s cut down by “Chara” A bit hypocritical if you ask me,he should have figured since he’s in a similar situation. If you complete a genocide route twice,Chara will say “this SOUL resonates with a strange feeling.” “I cannot understand these feelings anymore.” What feeling do SOULS help you feel? Empathy. Compassion. The “Chara” you see at the end of genocide is just a soulless shell of the chara ASRIEL knew. Flowey would jump at the chance to erase the world,hell he DID with omega flowey. But would ASRIEL? No. Can’t we say the same for Chara?
Yeah, Flowey would jump at the chance to erase the world. In the present day. But when he first woke up, he used his powers for good. He solved everyone's problems & became friends with them. It was only after he did everything else that he decided to start killing to see what happens, and THEN he became sadistic. We can't say the same for Chara because they decided to help us kill as soon as they woke up.
@@UnoriginalJokester the reason Chara becomes that way,is because of what Spiffy says in the video. LV makes you more aggressive. Flowey just got bored and grew more insane over time. LV made Chara more numb to killing,having no SOUL did not help with that.
@@jjcooldude9700 Chara helped us & started looking for knives as little as LV 3. Meanwhile, they have no signs of even showing up in a neutral route at LV 17.
@@maincraf-yk5qqYou mean pre-2017 as ever since the Judgement Boy Chara video was uploaded on youtube, Chara defenders grew and made up the majority of the UT fandom. I am not saying Chara is pure evil but the fanbase crucifies anyone who has an opinion on Chara other than "pure good" nor "morally grey".
@@maila319 Nah The JB video didn't have an immediate effect + old fierce Sans fans still kept doing their stuff, albeit taking Chara-Cide out of their view for the most part. And they are still diong it till this day(eg. Underverse, fangames etc) And don't forget how COS become a thing
@@narrativeless404 I have been in the Undertale fandom since 2017 and even back then I have seen plenty of defenders shunning anyone who has a negative opinion on Chara and while I agree that the JB video wasn't an immediate effect, most of the AUs that depicted pure evil Chara and different versions of Sans were released before the end of 2017 that the authors were continuing to make their AUs consistent to their ideas that they developed before the JB video was released. Also COS is just a niche that many fans don't know about and anyone with a negative opinion on Chara outside COS gets shunned because the most overrated opinion in the UT community is that Chara did nothing wrong and uses mental illness as excuse to justify their crime in wanting to kill humans and destroying the world at the end of genocide and we are pure evil in every analysis video even before COS was a thing even though we are only playing the genocide run out of curiosity. Sans LITERALLY tells you this.
FINALLY someone else figured it out ive been saying this forever kris/and chara are alternate versions of each other for more similarities they both have a reoccurring theme of taking control from the player and both were most likely given up on by their human parents one way or another. If we get evidence that Kris has some distain for humanity its pretty much confirmed and nothing will sway me.
There actually is. When looking at a book in the library, the game describes it having pictures of humans inside, and Kris shuts the book quickly after seeing them.
I personally think that Kris really is just a mix of Chara AND Frisk. Sure, Spiffy said that the only thing Kris has going for Frisk is skin color. Ain't gonna lie, that's completely incorrect. Yes, Kris and Chara share their liking of chocolate, knives, and clothing, yet there are also certain aspects of Kris that differ from Charas'. Kris as said before shares similar skin color. What I found intresting is that Spiffy said that Kris's hair is similar to Charas. To that I have to disagree, it more resembles Frisks seeing that it's also the same color. Not only that, Chara is known for being talkative, in which Frisk really just isn't. The only time we really see Frisk speak is during battles or if there's a needed answer outside of one. Kris is also a pretty quiet kid even made evident after talking to Noelle in chapter 1 and selecting "Anything". She responds saying if Kris is okay seeing that they're not usually so talkative. And it's not them selecting that, it's US, same thing with Frisk, we control Frisk just like Kris. Though.. Kris has shown that they're well capable of just denying our control. Which Chara also seems to be passionate about...... Damn I'm really speaking against myself here arent I? ANYWAYS there's also Kris being a victim of bullying which I doubt Chara would just let that slide. They'd put up one hell of a fight if anything seeing how dominant Chara has shown to be, which Kris has never really done. Alright, but to put it simply Kris definitely has some personality traits that both of them share, not just looks.
@@DaHypnotik going to your “bullying” point I believe that this is actually another reason why Chara and kris are the same. We know that chara hates humanity and climbed mt ebott for suicidal reasons. This is strongly hinted toward some type of mistreatment from other humans whether it be his parents or peers or even both. And obviously at the time they arent strong at all theyre a child. So they’ve no other choice than to “let it slide”
@@UnoriginalJokester interesting, but i think this is more of simply being uncomfortable since he grew up only with monsters. But maybe it is some distain. In any case if its true its 100% confirmed not even a head canon its too many similarities to be debated imo.
@@ZKDVoid that's.. actually a good point. I was looking at it from Kris's side tho. Since Kris was a victim of bullying to Susie, which is a monster. Regardless, didn't think of it that way. Toby really did one hell of a job giving us theorists one hell of a headache lmao.
Yes, chara is not evil. This is because she is actually a reincarnation of famous singer Glen Cambell trying to promote a new album from beyond the grave. I learned this after discovering a new route in undertale by killing exactly 7 monsters and going to Sans' lab, where it is revealed that Glen Campbell actually planned a secret last album collabing with famous musicians Toby Fox, Lena Raine, and the band Jamiroquai. You can trust me on this, i have at least 4 minutes of play time in undertale, as well as a doctorate in Deltarune Lore Analysis, so I'm pretty much an expert in this field.
@Spiffy131 Facts and logic. Also, I did not know chara was using they/them. Kinda easy to gloss over that kind of stuff when you get this deep in the lore puddle.
over-analysis on Chara, sign me up! Great video and totally agree with the narrative you put place for chara, still find it weird why we make Chara such a big bad guy when they’re just a kid lol.
Thank you! :0 I’m glad you agree with my thoughts on this, I spent awhile trying to piece all my thoughts together on this one haha, yea I always thought saying chara was evil was a bit fishy (after typing this there’s prolly someway to make this an undyne pun but oh well) anyways thanks again!
@@Person76439 I just feel that Chara being a downright monster from the start goes against Undertale's message, I think Toby left Chara's character open to interpretation. LOVE makes it so that you have less empathy to care about your actions. Just like Deltarune, you force Frisk and Chara to become killing machines, simpler to how Noelle was forced to become a killing machine. It was proven time and time again that the will of the Player will always be stronger than the characters.
One thing that i do find interesting (but don't think means anything) is that the face Chara makes whule laughing before killing you in Genocide is very similar to that of Gaster.
This is actually a much more interesting interpretation than the common interpretation that "Chara represents the consequences of the player's actions" because that common interpretation clashes with their past. This made me think that the one who destroys the world is not Chara but rather Gaster possessing Chara's dead body because it never made sense to me why Chara only had a proactive role in the genocide run in a way that clashed with their past rather than any other run if determination brought them back to life.
@@maila319 i just realized, the save file menu before finishing chapter 1 of Deltarune is pretty heavily implied to be narrated by Gaster, and it does give us the "erase" option instead of resetting like Undertale
thank god someone finaly pointed out. in undertale, YOU are the villan, YOU killed everyone. Chara is more of a pacifist then frisk at this point. Chara in the genocide route only wants to finish what you started.
Chara was enthusiastically joins it, encourages to continue and never says to stop. "Finishing the job" for a serial killer IS NOT a good thing to do. Chara is not pacifistic.
3:06 my personal headcanon on why chara can "destroy" the universe at the end of a geno route is that they are not actually destroying it but resetting but with you not in control giving the appearance the universe was destroyed from your point of view effectively tricking you into forcing a reset to prevent you from doing another geno route
for the kris theory part, you also have to remember what happens when kris reads about other humans as well as their backstory, they used to wear monster horns a lot when they were young this makes the link a lot stronger between him and chara, but lets not avoid frisk's importance, since they also share their traits aside of a blank expression and skin colour, they also seem to share hobbies as well along with frisk's cheeky nature kris is a fusion between the 2
Glad to see more people have been noticing this about Chara. I’ve tried to tell a few friends of mine that Chara learns from YOU, not the other way around. But, I had to show them this video for them to actually believe me.
3:39 I think that’s more of Chara destroying the files of the game. I recall that Toby Fox said the original intent was to have the game delete itself, but he couldn’t get it to work.
finally someone understands. this is exactly what i say about chara also, just imagine getting to LV 20 and stabbing the ground to destroy the universe wait, stabbing the ground... just like Kris does to make the dark fountain. hold on, i just made a theory while typing this...
I have a question! How does the Worn Dagger turn into the Real Knife? Is their LV so strong it becomes infused with Determination and / or LOVE? Your theory makes sense, and I wanna see how you respond to this!
@@GamingAllday-tm4lt damn, bringing me back, uh well, I haven't done a undertale theory in a while but, yeah, being infused with LV would make sense, as soon as frisk or the player grabs the worn dagger, the power of their soul infuses the LV and restores it, with a bright red glow, atleast, that's what I can piece together.
I always thought of chara as someone who was constantly at war with themself when they were still alive. I do believe a part of chara did want to do genuine good for monster but I also believe they were aware that it might also be an excuse to just get back at what humanity did to them. I think being considered “the hope of monster kind” by Asgore probably did not help what chara was feeling.
In my opinion, I portray Chara as a really nice person. The only reason they act evil is to get Frisk not to kill them, like Flowey/Asriel. After all, they were brothers for a while. And when Chara laughs, you’re just walking up to them in order to stab them, which is why all of the 999’s show up. But that’s just my prediction of the situation. Thanks for reading.
@@maila319 And what shoul THAT mean? I'm pretty sure their morality is really consistent, but muddied by their experience and resulting way viewing the world And they are likely to use violence as a method (except the world is actually kinda fucked up, and Chara is just making the most extreme childish response they could come up with)
@@narrativeless404 Chara is a controversial character because they just make no sense. We don't even know why Chara hates humans beyond making headcanons that they were mistreated by humans and wanted to commit suicide but just because Asriel said they climbed Mt Ebott for an unhappy reason which doesn't always mean they wanted to kill themself. People say Chara is the narrator in every route but there are just too many inconsistencies with this theory but my biggest problem is why Chara was far more proactive in the genocide run than in any other run if Chara is indeed the narrator in every run and why some of their lines on genocide sound happy-go-lucky despite the darker narration in genocide and why didn't they stop us from killing monsters and not humans and why did they kill monsters on the surface in the soulless pacifist run even though that clashes with their past and why they decided to guilt trip us into thinking we destroyed the world even though they destroyed the world regardless of our choice. These problems made me conclude that Chara despite not being necessarily evil LACKS MORALS which is why they are such a controversial character. You don't have to be evil to lack morals.
and thats why she destroys the world, and kills everyone after she gets your soul in genocide (soulless pacifist ending)? asriel straight up said she "wasnt the best person" and she was his best friend, i wouldnt say shes "really nice". she also says in 2nd genocide that she is the feeling you get when a stat rises - the feeling for which you do genocide, which im pretty sure is bad because it means shes your incentive to genocide, and also she laughed about asgore getting poisoned, thats awful.
Pretty sure it does- idk it's been 3 weeks I watched it at 2 am, it probably got buried by the endless pile of Undertale content I consume regularly lol
Anywho I personally think that people are entitled to interpreting a character in their own away, after all that's a huge reason why us as a fandom have been going for so long with no sign of stopping
Finally, another video defending Chara! The last two ones I watched were back to back, but they were made in 201-2018. Glad to see the fandom today coming around with their perspective. I've always been a staunch defender of Chara and found it unfair how they were mischara(hehe)cterized by the community back then.
Quick canon review of Chara in Undertale : as a human, they are a venegful child, whose wish is to take their revenge on humanity. "Chara" at the end of Genocide route is a soulless creature that looks up to Player's actions, whatever these are, and learns how to become powerful. So that's it. Yeah. That summs up the whole video. It is quite stupid to see Chara as a villain, but it is also stupid to not see "Chara" as not evil, since they have been taught to get power through evil deeds from the Player. You guys are no fun anymore.
You got the details of Chara 100% correct good job! Also I've kind of thought of Kris as a fusion of Chara and Frisk. You mentioned the obvious parallels between Kris and both Chara and Frisk but missed one comparison that Kris and Frisk have: they are the player character. Because of that alone that could mean Friks and Kris are parallels, but the details with Chara definitely make it feel like there is more then just one or the other to me
Finally someone has some natural sense. Insted of just sain "cHaRa wHy DiD yoU kILL EveRyONe ". Looks like undertale community is slowly but sturdy {hopefully} healing. BTW nice vid.
About Kris and Frisk, I find a better way of seeing this by thinking they are both the same person from different universes, with Kris being a Frisk who has been raised similarly to Chara, although there is not much backing this theory up other than the skin colors and eating literally anything they find on their hands. And also, one misconception in the Fandom is that the Real Knife and Worn Dagger are two different items, while they are actually the same item. If one just thinks even lightly about it, a question should arise: "who replaced the Worn Dagger and the Heart Locket with the Real Knife and The Locket in the Genocide Route?" The answer being no one did, as they are the same items seen through the lenses of the Genocide Route. A rusty dagger for a random person will look like a rusty worn dagger, but to the eyes of a serial killer that looks like an actual weapon compared to the previous items (a plastic knife, a singular leather glove, a pair of ballet shoes, a notebook, a burnt pan and an empty gun). For their ATK stat being vastly different, if we follow the "Narrachara theory", it might be Chara just making up their stats to gaslight the player/Frisk to equip it right away instead of keeping their stupid burnt pan / empty gun (these are the weapons you most likely have at this point). As for The Locket, if we still follow the "Narrachara" theory, the name change would make sense due to Chara recognizing the item as their Old Locket. Albeit this last theory could be completely demolished by just saying "Flowey placed the items there and instead of picking up the Worn Dagger he picked up an actual kitchen knife", even though it might not be even true since it's not sure if ASGORE has any kitchen utensils left. tl;dr : Frisk and Kris might be the same person but raised differently and the Real Knife and The Locket are the same items as the Worn Dagger and Heart Locket just seen through the eyes of a serial killer.
Also Chara at the end of geno does not have a soul since they are dead making them like Flowey so ofc LV 20 soulless Chara isn't the same as pre death Chara just like Flowey and Asriel aren't the same.
So, Chara at the end of a Genocide, both because they no longer have a soul since their death, and because of our "genocidal" actions, are practically the same as Flowey? While instead, at the end of a Pacifist, while Flowey has returned to being Asriel, could Chara also be very similar to how they was before they died?
@@UnoriginalJokesterYeah what Chara did at the end of the genocide run is evil because they destroy the world regardless of your choice. No amount of excuse is gonna justify that at all. However what I believe is that Chara as a WHOLE is NOT evil. They just lack morality and are soulless that's all.
I like to think that Chara ain't either evil or good they're just neutral they don't care about whatever you as a player do if it's good or bad or whatever they just don't care since they're soulless they don't care about anything or anyone they're neutral they're fine if you kill everyone and they're fine if you don't or whatever you do and that's the accurate representation of a human in UT. And frisk is the reincarnation of Chara as unlike Kris frisk/Chara won't care about whether the player controls them or not
I think that nihilistic and apathetic Chara is rather their postmortal persona. After all, Flowey is also really nihiilistic having no soul left. I think that Chara did care about a lot when they were alive.
@@MinorLife10 True, but even soulless beings can still have an emotional attachment of sorts Generally speaking: the only difference between fully alive and soulless is that soulless can't feel love, empathy or remorse. The only thing driving them is *DETERMINATION* They can still consciously want to be with someone
Actually, you just made me think about it now. Flowey, as a being without a soul, cannot feel any emotion, only that strange feeling of fear he feels at the end of Genocide, and of course, I guess, determination. Instead, when he gets a soul, becoming Asriel, he begins to feel again those emotions that he hasn't been able to feel for a long time, helping us free all the monsters. I guess it's pretty much the same for Chara, then. Undoubtedly, in fact, they cared a lot about all the monsters, when they were alive and had their own soul. It's not specifically stated in the game, but a valid option could be the one you wrote. Although, I like to think that Chara is partly a reflection of our actions, that you learn from our actions, whether they are good or bad. Sorry if I wrote a lot, I didn't understand Me neither. I'm still very confused, hahah
Dusttale is the original(likely first) Sans AU And Chara was definitely portrayed as a villain And don't forget how Human somehow "can't" beat Sans in Dusttale Also how Sans literally remembers every RESET and decides to kill everyone? And how he allegedly "can" destroy Save points? Yeah, that's *bullshit!* *GET OUT OF MY EYES, FANGIRL!!!*
I just normally thought that Chara was a representation of the player in the events of Undertale, they share whatever you put the name as, as an example.
@@narrativeless404 "the name thing isnt even canon, its just a major event included in the main game." is what youre trying to argue, and thats bullshit. it is canon.
You know what especially pisses me off about people who say Chara is evil or any essay about that is the absolute purposeful misinterpretation and twisting of known information about Chara in the worst possible ways that completely go against the core themes of the game.
I feel like one thing people neglect to realise is that, being literally dead, Chara lacks a soul, and as we should all know from Flowey a soulless being effectively lacks the ability to feel empathy, which adds to the explanation of how they’d be influenced by our actions
Actually! She says she is the feeling you get when a stat raises and that happens the most on genocide which is why she manifests here the most... You are on to something!!!!
@@emirturkmen4524 tbh you worded your reply as if you think chara did nothing wrong like many defenders do but I also expect you are not an offender who thinks chara is a psycho who enjoys evil
had a theory that frisk somehow died when they fell.no matter which optuon you pick at the end of a true pasifist run they go along.and since frisk is supposed to be a self insert it makes sense
just because you were raised to be evil doesn't mean that you're not evil. same thing can be applied to Chara, our actions caused Chara to "become evil". becoming Evil is still Evil.
@@xatime2833 I know what the game is about. I'm only saying if you make someone evil. then they're evil regardless of it's origins. that's only my main point. just because a bank robber was raised by crooks doesn't mean the bank robber isn't evil.
@@RetroGAME Game's whole theme is nobody is actually bad, just flawed and wronged in different ways It's up to you whether you fix it by being good, or fuck everything over by "playing it like any other RPG game"
Yeah I understand this but here's a important question, why doesn't Chara act this way in a neutral run? You can still gather high LOVE and the route be canceled by leaving one enemy left to kill at the core, it doesn't make sense to me when leaving one enemy to live, that suddenly makes Chara "Yeah, I don't like it anymore" and we all know that they do enjoy killing by seeing them say "That was fun. Let's finished the job." in the demo. And why can we kill every boss (besides Undyne) in one hit in a genocide run and not in a neutral run? We can still get high LOVE and it doesn't matter, it's because of Chara is not there, only when they are, we are able to. Check the orange book in the library in Snowdin, it states: "The crueller the intentions of our enemies, the more their attacks will hurt us." They hate the monsters as well with humanity but I'm not saying they once did when they were alive but now once they're back? I believe so but I'll explain in the replies of this comment if you want me to explain further because this comment is already too long. And I like to say that I love this video regardless, it's very well made!
I'd like to point out a dialogue you get by doing 3 or more genocides (I think it's 3) "a different path might be better suited." Chara actively suggests that you stop killing, and start on a better route. they're tired of it. they're tired of YOU killing. in the same dialogue they also insult you for recreating the world and destroying it over and over, stating you are "wracked with a perverted sentimentality", further showing that they don't want you to be doing this
She suggests another route only to kill people in the ending of that route if you do it, so she basically lied for the purpose of harming or inflicting pain on others... Hmm sounds kinda like category 5 of diagnosis of sadistic personality disorder in the DSM III.
Kris' and Frisk's skin tone and hair colour are a perfect match. In addition, the red eyes may also be shared between the two of them. I think as of now the most coherent interpretation of who Kris is, is Frisk's body with Chara's personallity. I don't know what might have caused this to happen.
Chara was a decent person with a hidden dark side when they were alive. The genocide run awaked that dark side, giving them the realization about how much they enjoy destruction and killing. That’s my interpretation
Actually, the mentions of Kris and Chara being so similar gave me a good idea. Possibly, they are so similar because they ultimately share the burden of being at your will. Their future is in your hands. Each, fighting back or taking control away from you at some point as well. This makes me think with being so similar, both in personalization and in actions, ultimately that is Kris’s role in Deltarune. They are their own person, like Chara, and their role will be made by you. You can make Kris a kind and caring person, even helping them through what seems to be hard times before you arrived and surround them with friends to help them. Or make Kris wallow in Despair at abusing and manipulating his own friends and ultimately push in them further into the concept of strength until it’s all they know. Same as Chara did except with…. More freezing and less murder.
I always wondered why everyone draws, talks, etc., about the fact that Chara is bad and it is she/he/they who takes possession of Frisk? When “Chara” “took over” Frisk, they did not listen to Sans, walked past the puzzles, attacked him, Asgore and Flowey themselves, but what if it was not Chara who did this, but Frisk? The player has Determination, that is WE are Determination that controls Frisk, and Chara, according to Asriel, no longer exists. Determination and a sense of power have taken over Frisk and therefore she/he/they cannot attack THEMSELVES or spare. Yes, dialogues with Chara and texts can refute this, but what if Chara only writes the text, nothing more. Frisk is human, and humans don't like monsters. Maybe at first Frisk obeys US and only wants the monsters to be happy, but when Determination comes to Genocide, and Frisk is still a child, how can they not go crazy? Therefore, Frisk takes over Determination (the Player) and does everything as they wanting, killing Sans, Asgore and Flowey, for the vengeance of the 6 fallen humans. But what about Chara? Chara hates humans, but not monsters, most likely THEY wanted to destroy humans and free monsters, because they and Asriel came up with this plan and wanted to get 6 Souls. She/he/they doesn't kill monsters, WE do. Chara is only cunningly luring US so that they can gain control of Frisk (after genocide) and make her/his/their plan real by destroying humanity in a soulless pacifist. And blurring the faces of the monsters in the photograph is just a reminder of what WE did so that WE would not forget about the genocide.
Let’s be honest player was the one responsible for the genocide. And Chara who we don’t know practically anything about happened to be the perfect person to blame for the genocide.
3:22 I’m pretty sure frisk really is chara. in the end of the genocide route you can just see their original appearance/form. chara also says she was “reincarnated” meaning reborn in a new form, just like flowey did (was asriel).
Both Chara and Kris are influenced by the players actions, leading me to believe that if you kill enemies in Deltarune, Kris will go down that bad path just as Chara did. This will cause Kris to take back control as we see them attempt at the end of Deltarune Chapters 1 & 2, with that infamous "Since when were you the one in control?" line.
Also in both True pacifist and geno, you are for filling the profecy by either freeing the underground by breaking the barrier or freeing the underground by killing presumably all monsters and free them from their prison.
Counter overanalyzing!!!! Chara literally could be medically diagnosed with sadistic personality disorder - She shares symptoms with sadistic Personality disorder as based on the dsm 3: According to the DSM-III-R diagnostic criteria Sadistic personality disorder is defined by a pervasive pattern of sadistic and cruel behavior that begins in early adulthood. It was defined by four of the following. 1.Has used physical cruelty or violence for the purpose of establishing dominance in a relationship (not merely to achieve some noninterpersonal goal, such as striking someone in order to rob him/her). 2.Humiliates or demeans people in the presence of others. 3.Has treated or disciplined someone under his/her control unusually harshly. 4.Is amused by, or takes pleasure in, the psychological or physical suffering of others (including animals). 5.Has lied for the purpose of harming or inflicting pain on others (not merely to achieve some other goal). 6.Gets other people to do what he/she wants by frightening them (through intimidation or even terror). 7.Restricts the autonomy of people with whom he or she has a close relationship, e.g., will not let spouse leave the house unaccompanied or permit teenage daughter to attend social functions. 8.Is fascinated by violence, weapons, injury, or torture. Chara fits categories 1(do not erase), 3(Asriel after absorbing her soul), 4(being mean to Asriel just cause, laughing at asgores pain, killing everyone in soulless pacifist), 5(speaks like she wants you to do pacifist because it's morally right when she actually commits murder in it), 6(jumpscare in genocide after you don't do what she wants), 8(where are the knives?), and could be debated to fit 7 because she literally leaves you in a black screen for 10 minutes, and it could be debated it's a close relationship (from her pov) because she calls you "partner". The required minimum to diagnose is 4 and she fits 6/7. Also She doesn't fit the categories of aspd, or se*ual sadism disorder which is a requirement to be diagnosed with sadistic personality disorder. (Just making my argument 100% undebatable) GET REKT CHARA DEFENDERS I HAVE THE DSM 3 ON MY SIDE AND YOU HAVE NOTHING!! MWAHAHAHA!!
2:19 The difference is Frisk being the player’s character in the game has the ability to go back and undo previous mistakes, Chara doesn’t. For the hatred for humanity and climbing mountain for not happy reasons is the fact it’s heavily implied that Chara was abused on the surface, and climbed the mountain to take their own life.
Also you expect what’s probably a child, to be able to kill multiple people? One of the items (faded ribbon) says “If you’re cuter, monsters won’t hit you as hard” it’s implied Chara was abused on the surface.
Chara, from the video game "Undertale," is often portrayed as morally ambiguous or potentially malevolent due to their actions within the game's narrative. While interpretations of Chara vary, a compelling argument for their negative qualities stems from their pivotal role in the game's genocide route. In this route, Chara encourages the player to exterminate every monster encountered, actively driving them towards violence and destruction. This manipulation of the player's choices to commit genocide speaks to Chara's underlying malevolence, suggesting a desire for power and control over others. Furthermore, Chara's past actions, such as their poisoning and eventual demise, cast a shadow over their character, raising questions about their true intentions. Their association with the eradication of an entire species underscores a darker aspect of their personality, emphasizing their capacity for ruthless and harmful actions. Thus, while interpretations may vary, these elements collectively paint a picture of Chara as a character with significant negative traits and motivations within the context of "Undertale."
Skin colour, expression, being controlled by the play, those things are all in common with Frisk. I think Kris is supposed to be a reflection of the relationship between Chara and Frisk in relation to the player; they're two people or one, it doesn't matter when it comes to being controlled.
This is so true i actually have done a lot of reaserch about chara and would like to say my own theory, and it's even more in debt. showing that chara isn't evil! Chara fell in the underground and it is known thst they did it for not a happy reson like you said. Also one thing when you check the faided ribbon chara says. "If your cuter monsters might not hit you as hard!" Witch is actually such a disturbing answear- that basically already says something that happened too then in the surface bit if you need more of a nudge it basically intigates that chara was most likely abused by humans in the surface thus they're hate for humans there's also evidence of it for when you check the tools they're filed down sp they're safe and the knife's and anything sharp is hidden and we fully know that chara did not mean any harm too the dreamers and its actually that thry might have wanted too use it on themselves- so what we know chara was in a very bad state in the surface Nd climbed the mounten too commit suicide... but in instead of them dying they were taken in by the dreamers who showed them kindness and love for the first time!! And I've had some people argue that they were just "pretending" too be nice but that is complelty wrong actually!! In genoside you can find stuff chara made for them a sweather made for asgore with a writing sown on it "Mr. Dad Guy." Macarony art of a flower even and written on it is 'for king Dad!' They most literally pored they're hearts out and created stuff for them becuse they were the only people who actually showed them kindness... why wouldn't they do it? And now here's the other thing people yell at me on. "BUT THAT WAS JUST A SCEEM SO CHARA CAN GATHER THE HUMAN SOULS AND KILL EVRY HUMAN ALIVE!!" But that's far from truth!! We all know thst the plan started when chara and Asriel were making some pie for Asgore and acsidently mistook cups of butter for butter cups and don't start saying "NAH THRY DID THAT ON PURPISE" remember they're kids we did all sorts of stupid things as kids. So as we all know asgore gets sick and there is a quote of asriel saying that he should have laughed it off like chara did and NO chara did not enjoy asgores pain!! There are numurios of evidence even in real life that some people use laughter too cope with pain! I myself experienced it too!! And usually people with this problem most likely have gone trough abuse or truama witchbis another thing making it posseble that chara really was abused!! And so they're plan was done now fully knowing the butter cups are poisenes they used it too kill themselves for the plan. Witch is a terrible way too go symptoms of it is bloody dieria blistering of mouth extreme vometing and so on. And Chara didn't manipulate Asriel into going with the plan Asriel went with it without hesitation he only got sceared and worked once he notuced in how much pain chara was. But afther that asriel and chara went up and tried too do it though the humans attacked Asriel without mercy as us humans attack what we don't understand chara begged asriel too fight back becuse they were dying!! But asriel didn't Witch resolved in they're death... chara didn't wanna kill all humans they just needed the 7. And afther chara Is resurected by our determination they're confused sceared they don't understand why they're back. They're plan had failed. If you do genoside multiple time chara will say how disgusted they are by you!! And how much they actually hate you. You killed evryone they love and keep in mind they're a kod so you manipulated them into thinking this was right and chara still proped you too try a difrent ending then genoside if you don't listen and do it again they're disgusted by you and hate you for it. So that's my theory chara is in no way shape or form evil. Sure they made mistakes but they were just a kid! Also there's another thing I noticed chara goes complelty silent COMPLELTY trough genoside necuse they just keep on saying ". . ." So they were defiently not enjoying it either!
I think Noelle would make for a good parallel for Chara. Particularly, the Snowgrave Route, where we pressure her into freezing Darkeners. If you pay attention to her behavior whenever she and Kris begin a battle, she starts off jumping in fright, but then gradually showing less fear as she kills more and more Darkeners. Then, when we get to face Birdly, she's so complacent with killing that she initially sees Birdly as another enemy to kill. Also keep in mind Kris' reaction to all that, especially knowing that the command for Noelle to kill came out of their mouth.
That's right. Chara wasn't evil, and didn't kill all those monsters. YOU did. The whole "With your guidance-" makes it clear that Chara was just learning from what the player did.
in fact, Chara killed 3 peopole in the entire geno route
sans(debatable), Asgore, and Flowey
@@_StarlightRose_I’m not sure about sans and asgore tho but maybe it did kill flowey but why tho?
@@samiel2244 you don't use Fight so its chara and not us
@@_StarlightRose_Flowey killed Asgore, Chara just viciously injured him. But they definitely are directly responsible for Flowey and Sans' death.
@@Magma-Idiot-2001 true, true
I say debatable for sans, as the sound effect that plays is not the one when a monster dies, but the battle ending one so we don't know if he actually died
So really, Chara officially killed one person in the entire route
2016 Undertale Fandom misCHARActerization starterpack:
> Overly-sexualized anime-girl Frisk
> Edgy as fuck Sans (will destroy the Universe if Papyrus gets a bruise)
> Asgore = Satan
> Chara = evil incarnate (also overly sexualized anime girl)
> Alphys? Who the fuck is that?
Don't forget the papyrus being too innocent and that he eats spaghetti thing
Omg I hate how mistreated the undertale characters are like guys cmon-
@@Spiffy131 True
@@Spiffy131 and then there's Alphys who literally ceases to exist in AUs
Don’t forget: Alphys? Don’t you mean Gaster?
I think what people don’t get is that Chara wasn’t the best person they were flawed, BUT SO IS EVERY OTHER CHARACTER IN UNDERTALE. the whole point of the game is the look past all them and see the good people hidden within them, if Toby Fox just made Chara to be “oh yeah the super evil phyco girl” would literally be destroying the message of the game
Or boi
Message of the game is kill everyone and see how it turns out
Fr
And so many people just throw that aside just for the sake of worshipping Sans and making more stupid AUs of him
We don’t think they’re evil we just use them as a villain because they are scary demon child who jumpscares you.
We can’t use asgore (he’s too sympathetic), we can’t use flowey (he gets humiliated by us in genocide) and we can’t use frisk because that would waste the potential of their character.
Edit: also just because you don’t like a certain artist/writer’s interpretation of a character doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist and if you do you are literally gatekeeping stories from existing just because you think the canon counterparts are superior.
Creativity is this fandoms biggest strength and you wish to stifle it.
@@resumethyvideo7631 Yeah, true
But that's not an excuse for making cheap and repetitive stories about recolored Sanses
If you WANT to make Chara a villain of your story, then at least GIVE A GOOD REASON for it that's not something like "Chara does infinite genocide loops so Sans becomes OP and blasts them out of existence" childish stupid shit
That's what ruined the Fandom
There's simply way too many Sans AUs
Chara:
(Literally kills themselves to free all of monsterkind)
The UT community:
,,Haha evil Chara go BRRR"
Don't forget that they did this also in order to take revenge on humans (from Asriel we know that Chara hated humanity, and that they wanted to kill people, but Asriel did not allow it). In addition, Chara was a problem child (which can be found out by watching tapes in the true laboratory)
@@NOTaNaBCNo, plan was to take six other souls, when monsters attack Asriel only then Chara wants Asriel to defend himself, but Asriel refuses... Remember Chara committing suicide, only for Asriel to absorb their soul wasn't something known, yes humans knew that combining both souls will create powerful being, but nobody knew how exactly will that work, what if concious mind of Chara in the moment of absorbtion of their soul would vanished, that's why Chara told everything about the plan, because Chara don't exactly know what will happen, but still Chara will remains, the same as Asriel's, they can communicate, Chara doesn't talk about killing humans, only after they attack Asriel, they beg Asriel to defend them
Chara isn't the greatest person, but they are not that evil, missguided absolutely, depressed indeed, but they are also loving, they love monsters and would give their life for them to be free
@@Person76439 would you sacrifice your life, so other people could be free? If that's not loving I don't know what is.
@@Person76439 there is no evidence that Chara wanted to exact revenge on humans, only that she hated humanity
Also why Chara told Asriel to collect 6 other souls before attempting suicide if Chara could have just said it after their soul was absorbed by Asriel, maybe because they didn't know that they would share conciousness
@@Person76439i think Chara just wanted Asriel to bring chaos among humans somehow after absorbing the soul because of their hate of humanity, they just messed up because they left that idea win instead of just free the monsters
SANS: megalo--
chara: strike back
The undertale community has been working to undo all the old fanon stuff from 2015-2019-ish. Like we are getting rid of the old fanon sans stuff, and are starting to handle the lore more accurately. Chara is also a good example of this.
@jimmy-xv2dc look on r/undertale. Its more obvious there
What do you mean by that??
Sans might not be some edgy character but he's still a depressed and just overall sad guy.
As for Chara I personally think both sides are right on this topic and it's more about which side you're on, because let's be honest there's a lot of speculation and interpretation for Charas actions and deeds
@@abhikergaming7783 i never said he wasnt a depressed or sad guy lol, just that he isnt the type to start crying n stuff, he keeps everything personal, and most def processes his emotions internally, you wont see him cry, even when paps dies hes more pissed at you than anything, while hes probably moreso crying on the inside. also the chara stuff is mostly up to interperetation as we dont have alotta info abt them
@@ComikaSans I actually agree with you
frans is still around.. 🤮🤮🤮
I find it kind of funny that the vast majority of us misunderstood the game calling us out and punishing us for our actions as “you didn’t do it, this child did”. I am definitely guilty of this and find it kind of funny how many of us got it wrong initially, and then realized a year or two later what was actually happening. Chara has actually become one of my favorite characters because of how interesting their story is for a character we only see once in the whole game.
What if the real us was this child we found at the end of the way?
That's cuz Toby Fox portrayed Chara rather inconsistently.
@@maila319 oh my goodddd stfuuuu just accept you killed everybody and dont blame it on a CHILDDDD
That's because Chara and the player share the same name because Chara is supposed to represent the player to a certain degree though not the same entity, i'd like to think it's because of that misunderstood rather than just because they decided to blame Chara out of nowhere
And also they said about Chara destroying universe. 'End this pointless world and move onto next.' could mean they want us to do other route. Chara slash the screen in attempt in deleting the game as in making the player couldn't reset and do genocide again because we're the one in control(as in having control), sorry for bad eng
Undertale Players: Goes out of their way to kill every last monster they can find just to see what happens.
Also Undertale Players: Why did Chara make me do this??
Chara isn't good nor morally grey either. They just lack the concept of morality.
@@maila319 precisely
@@maila319 they literally share all of the traits of severe aspd or even sadistic personality disorder. That means they either dont have morals at all or they actively enjoys other pain and suffering.
@@maila319 Chara literally could be medically diagnosed with sadistic personality disorder -
She shares symptoms with sadistic Personality disorder as based on the dsm 3:
According to the DSM-III-R diagnostic criteria Sadistic personality disorder is defined by a pervasive pattern of sadistic and cruel behavior that begins in early adulthood. It was defined by four of the following.
1.Has used physical cruelty or violence for the purpose of establishing dominance in a relationship (not merely to achieve some noninterpersonal goal, such as striking someone in order to rob him/her).
2.Humiliates or demeans people in the presence of others.
3.Has treated or disciplined someone under his/her control unusually harshly.
4.Is amused by, or takes pleasure in, the psychological or physical suffering of others (including animals).
5.Has lied for the purpose of harming or inflicting pain on others (not merely to achieve some other goal).
6.Gets other people to do what he/she wants by frightening them (through intimidation or even terror).
7.Restricts the autonomy of people with whom he or she has a close relationship, e.g., will not let spouse leave the house unaccompanied or permit teenage daughter to attend social functions.
8.Is fascinated by violence, weapons, injury, or torture.
Chara fits categories 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, and could be debated to fit 7 because she literally leaves you in a black screen for 10 minutes, and it could be debated it's a close relationship (from her pov) because she calls you "partner". The required minimum to diagnose is 4 and she fits 6/7. Also She doesn't fit the categories of aspd, or se*ual sadism disorder which is a requirement to be diagnosed with sadistic personality disorder. (Just making my argument 100% undebatable)
@@maila319that's the most accurate description for Chara, bravo
I think Canon Chara has a mischievous streak and like Kris enjoys chocolates, and has interest in knives, is best friends with their brother, and likes to prank/tease others and their brother sometimes. And loves monsters but hates humanity.
They were a little like Susie too.
*But got corrupted do to our genocides.*
THEY REMEMBER OUR'RE GENOCIDES
human.... i remember you're genocides...
More like their determination got corrupted
@@NovaAeternusoh thank you. Most people don’t remember my Identity.
@@stars4772 I mean, they are just some old af *DETERMINATION* at this point
So that makes sense
Frisk: "But Chara-
Sans: I told you to stop blaming everything on your imaginary friend!
As a Chara main in VRChat, I have to deal with a lot of Sans on a daily basis. "Is that a Chara? Lets kill it!" They say, every time... Got used to it but very annoying.
That's even misinterpreting Sans, let alone Chara. Sans absolutely would *_NOT_* just randomly pick a fight; only thing he's picking is a place to nap, a joke to crack, a prank to pull, etc.
May I remind everyone that Sans more than likely only fights Frisk out of obligation. Any other route, he barely lifts a finger, even after his brother dies.
Chara main
@@bababooey5402Also, does Sans even know who Chara is? At best I’d imagine him just knowing they were the royal family’s adoptive kid.
@@oranjaglad8648I know right. Same with Kris deltaruin fan are always like “Chara is trying to hurt Kris” and I’m sitting here like “they don’t even live in the same universe.”
@@oranjaglad8648 I'm not even sure he knows that far; he might not've ever cared to research the king/queen. He might not even know they had a proper child.
Chara is also soulless,similar to Flowey.
They lost their soul after Asriel died with it.
Flowey literally says this,and he was WITH them when they both died.
He of all people would know this.
“You’re not human,are you?”
“You’re empty inside,just like me.”
“Infact.”
“You’re Chara,aren’t you?”
And then he wonders why the hell he’s cut down by “Chara”
A bit hypocritical if you ask me,he should have figured since he’s in a similar situation.
If you complete a genocide route twice,Chara will say “this SOUL resonates with a strange feeling.”
“I cannot understand these feelings anymore.”
What feeling do SOULS help you feel?
Empathy.
Compassion.
The “Chara” you see at the end of genocide is just a soulless shell of the chara ASRIEL knew.
Flowey would jump at the chance to erase the world,hell he DID with omega flowey.
But would ASRIEL?
No.
Can’t we say the same for Chara?
This is a VERY good point 👀
That’s pretty much agony
Yeah, Flowey would jump at the chance to erase the world. In the present day.
But when he first woke up, he used his powers for good. He solved everyone's problems & became friends with them. It was only after he did everything else that he decided to start killing to see what happens, and THEN he became sadistic.
We can't say the same for Chara because they decided to help us kill as soon as they woke up.
@@UnoriginalJokester the reason Chara becomes that way,is because of what Spiffy says in the video.
LV makes you more aggressive.
Flowey just got bored and grew more insane over time.
LV made Chara more numb to killing,having no SOUL did not help with that.
@@jjcooldude9700 Chara helped us & started looking for knives as little as LV 3. Meanwhile, they have no signs of even showing up in a neutral route at LV 17.
FINALLY A PERSON WHO DOESNT BLAME THEM FOR OUR ACTIONS
Exactly!
@@Person76439 Well, they do NOW- Yes, I'm looking at you pre-2022 undertale community
@@maincraf-yk5qqYou mean pre-2017 as ever since the Judgement Boy Chara video was uploaded on youtube, Chara defenders grew and made up the majority of the UT fandom. I am not saying Chara is pure evil but the fanbase crucifies anyone who has an opinion on Chara other than "pure good" nor "morally grey".
@@maila319 Nah
The JB video didn't have an immediate effect
+ old fierce Sans fans still kept doing their stuff, albeit taking Chara-Cide out of their view for the most part. And they are still diong it till this day(eg. Underverse, fangames etc)
And don't forget how COS become a thing
@@narrativeless404 I have been in the Undertale fandom since 2017 and even back then I have seen plenty of defenders shunning anyone who has a negative opinion on Chara and while I agree that the JB video wasn't an immediate effect, most of the AUs that depicted pure evil Chara and different versions of Sans were released before the end of 2017 that the authors were continuing to make their AUs consistent to their ideas that they developed before the JB video was released. Also COS is just a niche that many fans don't know about and anyone with a negative opinion on Chara outside COS gets shunned because the most overrated opinion in the UT community is that Chara did nothing wrong and uses mental illness as excuse to justify their crime in wanting to kill humans and destroying the world at the end of genocide and we are pure evil in every analysis video even before COS was a thing even though we are only playing the genocide run out of curiosity. Sans LITERALLY tells you this.
Short answer: Chara and Frisk are basicly late Snowgrave Noelle
Chara
Frisk is player character like Kris
And Chara goes way further than SG Noelle could ever hope to
FINALLY someone else figured it out ive been saying this forever kris/and chara are alternate versions of each other for more similarities they both have a reoccurring theme of taking control from the player and both were most likely given up on by their human parents one way or another. If we get evidence that Kris has some distain for humanity its pretty much confirmed and nothing will sway me.
There actually is. When looking at a book in the library, the game describes it having pictures of humans inside, and Kris shuts the book quickly after seeing them.
I personally think that Kris really is just a mix of Chara AND Frisk. Sure, Spiffy said that the only thing Kris has going for Frisk is skin color.
Ain't gonna lie, that's completely incorrect. Yes, Kris and Chara share their liking of chocolate, knives, and clothing, yet there are also certain aspects of Kris that differ from Charas'. Kris as said before shares similar skin color. What I found intresting is that Spiffy said that Kris's hair is similar to Charas. To that I have to disagree, it more resembles Frisks seeing that it's also the same color. Not only that, Chara is known for being talkative, in which Frisk really just isn't. The only time we really see Frisk speak is during battles or if there's a needed answer outside of one. Kris is also a pretty quiet kid even made evident after talking to Noelle in chapter 1 and selecting "Anything". She responds saying if Kris is okay seeing that they're not usually so talkative. And it's not them selecting that, it's US, same thing with Frisk, we control Frisk just like Kris. Though.. Kris has shown that they're well capable of just denying our control. Which Chara also seems to be passionate about......
Damn I'm really speaking against myself here arent I?
ANYWAYS there's also Kris being a victim of bullying which I doubt Chara would just let that slide. They'd put up one hell of a fight if anything seeing how dominant Chara has shown to be, which Kris has never really done.
Alright, but to put it simply Kris definitely has some personality traits that both of them share, not just looks.
@@DaHypnotik going to your “bullying” point I believe that this is actually another reason why Chara and kris are the same. We know that chara hates humanity and climbed mt ebott for suicidal reasons. This is strongly hinted toward some type of mistreatment from other humans whether it be his parents or peers or even both. And obviously at the time they arent strong at all theyre a child. So they’ve no other choice than to “let it slide”
@@UnoriginalJokester interesting, but i think this is more of simply being uncomfortable since he grew up only with monsters. But maybe it is some distain. In any case if its true its 100% confirmed not even a head canon its too many similarities to be debated imo.
@@ZKDVoid that's.. actually a good point. I was looking at it from Kris's side tho. Since Kris was a victim of bullying to Susie, which is a monster. Regardless, didn't think of it that way. Toby really did one hell of a job giving us theorists one hell of a headache lmao.
Yeah, I hate humanity, NOT monsters. I also kinda hate myself.
It's conformed omg
You should love yourself. ^^
And no one cares about you ^^
With real love not L.O.V.E.
* insert HighTierRalsei speech (aka: Love Yourself, you serve all purpose, you deserve everything, love yourself now or smth like that)
the CDS(Chara Defense Squad) aproves of this video
Glad to hear it!
I'm part of it, and I can confirm.
Same, why is the COS (Chara Offense Squad) always so insane with their hate for Chara lol
1@@Person76439* loads gun*
@@Person76439 there is a subreddit?
Yes, chara is not evil. This is because she is actually a reincarnation of famous singer Glen Cambell trying to promote a new album from beyond the grave. I learned this after discovering a new route in undertale by killing exactly 7 monsters and going to Sans' lab, where it is revealed that Glen Campbell actually planned a secret last album collabing with famous musicians Toby Fox, Lena Raine, and the band Jamiroquai. You can trust me on this, i have at least 4 minutes of play time in undertale, as well as a doctorate in Deltarune Lore Analysis, so I'm pretty much an expert in this field.
Chara goes by they/them (I’m pretty sure) and also…wha- what are you yappin about Jo…..
@Spiffy131 Facts and logic. Also, I did not know chara was using they/them. Kinda easy to gloss over that kind of stuff when you get this deep in the lore puddle.
@@Jojo_Does_Thingz that’s fair, also I expect a response video of your own theory about how the famous singer Glen Cambell is in Undertale
@@Spiffy131 Challenge accepted. Will publish a response within 8-12 business months.
@@Jojo_Does_Thingz I’ll be looking forward to it.
over-analysis on Chara, sign me up! Great video and totally agree with the narrative you put place for chara, still find it weird why we make Chara such a big bad guy when they’re just a kid lol.
Thank you! :0 I’m glad you agree with my thoughts on this, I spent awhile trying to piece all my thoughts together on this one haha, yea I always thought saying chara was evil was a bit fishy (after typing this there’s prolly someway to make this an undyne pun but oh well) anyways thanks again!
@@Spiffy131 omg yes someone who isnt a jerk and admits that we kill them all not chara
It's likely that we, as a society, have a bad tendency to find or make problems, some of us find a scapegoat to push all of our problems on.
@@Person76439 Who says Chara consented? I know Chara isn't a great person, but I doubt they are an outright monster.
@@Person76439 I just feel that Chara being a downright monster from the start goes against Undertale's message, I think Toby left Chara's character open to interpretation. LOVE makes it so that you have less empathy to care about your actions. Just like Deltarune, you force Frisk and Chara to become killing machines, simpler to how Noelle was forced to become a killing machine. It was proven time and time again that the will of the Player will always be stronger than the characters.
*knowing that I didn't do a genocide run...
*it fills me with Justice.
CLOVER?!?!?!?
HOLY $#!% IS THAT CLOVER?!?!
No, I just think Justice is the soul color that fits me the most.
That or Integrity.
UTY REFERENCE???
💛**save* **return*
One thing that i do find interesting (but don't think means anything) is that the face Chara makes whule laughing before killing you in Genocide is very similar to that of Gaster.
This is actually a much more interesting interpretation than the common interpretation that "Chara represents the consequences of the player's actions" because that common interpretation clashes with their past. This made me think that the one who destroys the world is not Chara but rather Gaster possessing Chara's dead body because it never made sense to me why Chara only had a proactive role in the genocide run in a way that clashed with their past rather than any other run if determination brought them back to life.
@@maila319 Why do you exist?
*Get banished to the void Gaster lives in*
@@maila319 i just realized, the save file menu before finishing chapter 1 of Deltarune is pretty heavily implied to be narrated by Gaster, and it does give us the "erase" option instead of resetting like Undertale
what is bro yapping about? the only part of gaster weve ever seen is the one the follower carries and it looks nothing like this.
Chara is a normal kid (they arent the kindiest being but they can show that to other
The entire Dreemur family is made up of goats, there’s momma goat, papa goat, child goat, and the scapegoat
WAIT THIS IS SO FR
thank god someone finaly pointed out. in undertale, YOU are the villan, YOU killed everyone. Chara is more of a pacifist then frisk at this point. Chara in the genocide route only wants to finish what you started.
Chara was enthusiastically joins it, encourages to continue and never says to stop. "Finishing the job" for a serial killer IS NOT a good thing to do.
Chara is not pacifistic.
3:06
my personal headcanon on why chara can "destroy" the universe at the end of a geno route is that they are not actually destroying it but resetting but with you not in control giving the appearance the universe was destroyed from your point of view effectively tricking you into forcing a reset to prevent you from doing another geno route
Give Chara hug
for the kris theory part, you also have to remember what happens when kris reads about other humans as well as their backstory, they used to wear monster horns a lot when they were young this makes the link a lot stronger between him and chara, but lets not avoid frisk's importance, since they also share their traits aside of a blank expression and skin colour, they also seem to share hobbies as well along with frisk's cheeky nature
kris is a fusion between the 2
Glad to see more people have been noticing this about Chara. I’ve tried to tell a few friends of mine that Chara learns from YOU, not the other way around. But, I had to show them this video for them to actually believe me.
The title reads like someone's about to reveal why a famous guy is actually suuuuper evil
No
It's just way too similar to the title of Judjement Boy's video
3:39
I think that’s more of Chara destroying the files of the game.
I recall that Toby Fox said the original intent was to have the game delete itself, but he couldn’t get it to work.
He actually got it to work but steam and gog didn't allow it or something like that
finally someone understands. this is exactly what i say about chara
also, just imagine getting to LV 20 and stabbing the ground to destroy the universe
wait, stabbing the ground...
just like Kris does to make the dark fountain.
hold on, i just made a theory while typing this...
Chara didn't stab the ground, they slashed in the air, as if attacking someone
@@narrativeless404 They didn't attack the air.
They were attacking YOU
@@wildberrysherbert3803 That's still pretty much the same
"YOU" isn't a physical object in their world
❤*Thanks for covering this topic.
A little fact is that the "Worn Dagger" is practically the "Real Knife", just changing form at LV 19, Both are Chara's, being the same weapon.
I have a question! How does the Worn Dagger turn into the Real Knife? Is their LV so strong it becomes infused with Determination and / or LOVE? Your theory makes sense, and I wanna see how you respond to this!
@@GamingAllday-tm4lt damn, bringing me back, uh well, I haven't done a undertale theory in a while but, yeah, being infused with LV would make sense, as soon as frisk or the player grabs the worn dagger, the power of their soul infuses the LV and restores it, with a bright red glow, atleast, that's what I can piece together.
@@xeno_program4708 Wowza!
@@GamingAllday-tm4lt I love your enthusiasm dude.
@@xeno_program4708 Thanks!
I always thought of chara as someone who was constantly at war with themself when they were still alive. I do believe a part of chara did want to do genuine good for monster but I also believe they were aware that it might also be an excuse to just get back at what humanity did to them. I think being considered “the hope of monster kind” by Asgore probably did not help what chara was feeling.
In my opinion, I portray Chara as a really nice person. The only reason they act evil is to get Frisk not to kill them, like Flowey/Asriel. After all, they were brothers for a while. And when Chara laughs, you’re just walking up to them in order to stab them, which is why all of the 999’s show up. But that’s just my prediction of the situation. Thanks for reading.
Wouldnt say nice person but not evil
Asriel didnt have best opinion about Chara really
Chara is not evil, good nor morally grey. They are just morally ambiguous.
@@maila319 And what shoul THAT mean?
I'm pretty sure their morality is really consistent, but muddied by their experience and resulting way viewing the world
And they are likely to use violence as a method
(except the world is actually kinda fucked up, and Chara is just making the most extreme childish response they could come up with)
@@narrativeless404 Chara is a controversial character because they just make no sense. We don't even know why Chara hates humans beyond making headcanons that they were mistreated by humans and wanted to commit suicide but just because Asriel said they climbed Mt Ebott for an unhappy reason which doesn't always mean they wanted to kill themself. People say Chara is the narrator in every route but there are just too many inconsistencies with this theory but my biggest problem is why Chara was far more proactive in the genocide run than in any other run if Chara is indeed the narrator in every run and why some of their lines on genocide sound happy-go-lucky despite the darker narration in genocide and why didn't they stop us from killing monsters and not humans and why did they kill monsters on the surface in the soulless pacifist run even though that clashes with their past and why they decided to guilt trip us into thinking we destroyed the world even though they destroyed the world regardless of our choice. These problems made me conclude that Chara despite not being necessarily evil LACKS MORALS which is why they are such a controversial character. You don't have to be evil to lack morals.
and thats why she destroys the world, and kills everyone after she gets your soul in genocide (soulless pacifist ending)? asriel straight up said she "wasnt the best person" and she was his best friend, i wouldnt say shes "really nice". she also says in 2nd genocide that she is the feeling you get when a stat rises - the feeling for which you do genocide, which im pretty sure is bad because it means shes your incentive to genocide, and also she laughed about asgore getting poisoned, thats awful.
People still think that in 2024? I thought everyone got over that
Because Chara is a horribly inconsistent character which is why there is so much controversy about Chara.
I don't really think they're inconsistent but okay
I honestly never thought that Chara was the villain. But I guess the more videos explaining lore the better
Pretty sure it does- idk it's been 3 weeks I watched it at 2 am, it probably got buried by the endless pile of Undertale content I consume regularly lol
Anywho I personally think that people are entitled to interpreting a character in their own away, after all that's a huge reason why us as a fandom have been going for so long with no sign of stopping
Finally, another video defending Chara! The last two ones I watched were back to back, but they were made in 201-2018. Glad to see the fandom today coming around with their perspective. I've always been a staunch defender of Chara and found it unfair how they were mischara(hehe)cterized by the community back then.
The ONLY reason people blame Chara is because they're scared of taking accountability for their own actions
You are the second person I now know THATS name is spiff and has a crown
Quick canon review of Chara in Undertale : as a human, they are a venegful child, whose wish is to take their revenge on humanity. "Chara" at the end of Genocide route is a soulless creature that looks up to Player's actions, whatever these are, and learns how to become powerful. So that's it. Yeah. That summs up the whole video.
It is quite stupid to see Chara as a villain, but it is also stupid to not see "Chara" as not evil, since they have been taught to get power through evil deeds from the Player. You guys are no fun anymore.
Literally Cassidy
@@lod4246 Yeah
Wow someone understands NUANCE that's a first on this plane of hell we call the Internet
I thought that everyone agreed that Chara isn't evil and that YOU are the villain. Didn't know this was still a debate
Oh yay
A new one
Btw, there's one thing about LV logic in UT: It's either inconsistent or just has nothing to go with Chara's mental state
You got the details of Chara 100% correct good job! Also I've kind of thought of Kris as a fusion of Chara and Frisk. You mentioned the obvious parallels between Kris and both Chara and Frisk but missed one comparison that Kris and Frisk have: they are the player character. Because of that alone that could mean Friks and Kris are parallels, but the details with Chara definitely make it feel like there is more then just one or the other to me
Chara isn't evil, they just do a little trolling, a couple shenanigans, a miniscule amount of tomfoolery.
Finally someone has some natural sense.
Insted of just sain "cHaRa wHy DiD yoU kILL EveRyONe ".
Looks like undertale community is slowly but sturdy {hopefully} healing.
BTW nice vid.
i keep saying the same thing and get called a simp
Another great analysis of chara in this day and age of what sort of human they are
About Kris and Frisk, I find a better way of seeing this by thinking they are both the same person from different universes, with Kris being a Frisk who has been raised similarly to Chara, although there is not much backing this theory up other than the skin colors and eating literally anything they find on their hands.
And also, one misconception in the Fandom is that the Real Knife and Worn Dagger are two different items, while they are actually the same item.
If one just thinks even lightly about it, a question should arise: "who replaced the Worn Dagger and the Heart Locket with the Real Knife and The Locket in the Genocide Route?"
The answer being no one did, as they are the same items seen through the lenses of the Genocide Route.
A rusty dagger for a random person will look like a rusty worn dagger, but to the eyes of a serial killer that looks like an actual weapon compared to the previous items (a plastic knife, a singular leather glove, a pair of ballet shoes, a notebook, a burnt pan and an empty gun).
For their ATK stat being vastly different, if we follow the "Narrachara theory", it might be Chara just making up their stats to gaslight the player/Frisk to equip it right away instead of keeping their stupid burnt pan / empty gun (these are the weapons you most likely have at this point).
As for The Locket, if we still follow the "Narrachara" theory, the name change would make sense due to Chara recognizing the item as their Old Locket.
Albeit this last theory could be completely demolished by just saying "Flowey placed the items there and instead of picking up the Worn Dagger he picked up an actual kitchen knife", even though it might not be even true since it's not sure if ASGORE has any kitchen utensils left.
tl;dr : Frisk and Kris might be the same person but raised differently and the Real Knife and The Locket are the same items as the Worn Dagger and Heart Locket just seen through the eyes of a serial killer.
they are likely to be the same item, but what makes you think there would be no kitchen utensils in the kitchen
Also Chara at the end of geno does not have a soul since they are dead making them like Flowey so ofc LV 20 soulless Chara isn't the same as pre death Chara just like Flowey and Asriel aren't the same.
So, Chara at the end of a Genocide, both because they no longer have a soul since their death, and because of our "genocidal" actions, are practically the same as Flowey? While instead, at the end of a Pacifist, while Flowey has returned to being Asriel, could Chara also be very similar to how they was before they died?
Chara isn’t a VILLAIN.
YOU are.
YOU killed them all.
YOU did this.
YOU influenced them.
Chara actually hates snowflake things, if i accidentally don't kil em genocide stops also in true lab It mocks his mamma
You being responsible doesn't exonerate Chara from also being a villain.
@@UnoriginalJokesterYeah what Chara did at the end of the genocide run is evil because they destroy the world regardless of your choice. No amount of excuse is gonna justify that at all. However what I believe is that Chara as a WHOLE is NOT evil. They just lack morality and are soulless that's all.
@@maila319 Ok, that's understandable
I feel bad for Chara, as it feels like the community always misjudges them.
I like to think that Chara ain't either evil or good they're just neutral they don't care about whatever you as a player do if it's good or bad or whatever they just don't care since they're soulless they don't care about anything or anyone they're neutral they're fine if you kill everyone and they're fine if you don't or whatever you do and that's the accurate representation of a human in UT. And frisk is the reincarnation of Chara as unlike Kris frisk/Chara won't care about whether the player controls them or not
That's way to nihilistic and it's not even fitting into the canon
I think that nihilistic and apathetic Chara is rather their postmortal persona. After all, Flowey is also really nihiilistic having no soul left. I think that Chara did care about a lot when they were alive.
@@MinorLife10 True, but even soulless beings can still have an emotional attachment of sorts
Generally speaking: the only difference between fully alive and soulless is that soulless can't feel love, empathy or remorse. The only thing driving them is *DETERMINATION*
They can still consciously want to be with someone
That's...just the canon Chara. Can't believe i haven't seen this comment before. You have my respect.
Actually, you just made me think about it now. Flowey, as a being without a soul, cannot feel any emotion, only that strange feeling of fear he feels at the end of Genocide, and of course, I guess, determination. Instead, when he gets a soul, becoming Asriel, he begins to feel again those emotions that he hasn't been able to feel for a long time, helping us free all the monsters. I guess it's pretty much the same for Chara, then. Undoubtedly, in fact, they cared a lot about all the monsters, when they were alive and had their own soul. It's not specifically stated in the game, but a valid option could be the one you wrote. Although, I like to think that Chara is partly a reflection of our actions, that you learn from our actions, whether they are good or bad.
Sorry if I wrote a lot, I didn't understand Me neither. I'm still very confused, hahah
God i remember when i thought chara was evil the whole time but than later saw the details that they aren't evil but just misguided by Us
I think Kris Deltarune are Frisk and Chara Undertale in a trenchcoat
DON'T SCARE ME LIKE THAT AGAIN WHEN YOU SAID "I'm talking abt Chara. Hear me out"
i swear there was a video like this which suggested chara fell down on purpose as attempted "purposeful unaliving of oneself"
In dusttale, chara is just the aftermath of your actions and this time, they decide to stop you from reseting.
Dusttale is the original(likely first) Sans AU
And Chara was definitely portrayed as a villain
And don't forget how Human somehow "can't" beat Sans in Dusttale
Also how Sans literally remembers every RESET and decides to kill everyone? And how he allegedly "can" destroy Save points?
Yeah, that's *bullshit!*
*GET OUT OF MY EYES, FANGIRL!!!*
@@narrativeless404 I'm a fanboy.
Eww dusttale
@@narrativeless404 also canon korean dusttale is about you the player doing lots of genocides, the chara doing those genocides are in evan's dusttale.
@@SansINess53 It doesn't matter
Both concepts don't make much sense
I just normally thought that Chara was a representation of the player in the events of Undertale, they share whatever you put the name as, as an example.
The name thing isn't even canon, but just a game mechanic
Also there's literal backstory to Chara and Asriel, how could you miss it lol?
@@narrativeless404 i said "in the events of undertale" what I mean by that is what happens when frisk is goin through the underground
@@narrativeless404 "the name thing isnt even canon, its just a major event included in the main game." is what youre trying to argue, and thats bullshit. it is canon.
@@averageyoutubehandle497 That isn't canon bruh
Chara is Chara all the way, regardless of how you call it when you play the game
@@Frozen_Shedinja Except that isn't what happens
The only thing that actually happens is Chara's reincaranation
for you guys that dont feel like watching, chara is NOT responsible for the genocide route.
You know what especially pisses me off about people who say Chara is evil or any essay about that is the absolute purposeful misinterpretation and twisting of known information about Chara in the worst possible ways that completely go against the core themes of the game.
Chara should better call Saul
Player being evil = Chara is evil.
Player being neutral = Chara is neutral.
Player being good = Chara is good.
Few years late but i appreciate the effort
3:38 I think when Chara attacks the screen, they kill frisk
I honestly see Kris and Chara’s dynamic like this:
Kris is essentially Frisk if they were put in a similar situation to Chara.
I feel like one thing people neglect to realise is that, being literally dead, Chara lacks a soul, and as we should all know from Flowey a soulless being effectively lacks the ability to feel empathy, which adds to the explanation of how they’d be influenced by our actions
Maybe the real chara was the genocides we made along the way
I think you might be onto something…
Actually! She says she is the feeling you get when a stat raises and that happens the most on genocide which is why she manifests here the most... You are on to something!!!!
For a LOOOOONG while ive known that chara was not the villian
Chara is the only character whom was able to stop the player's rampage. Too bad it took until the end of the no mercy run for them to re-appear.
Except even if we choose not to destroy the world, Chara still does.
@@maila319So we can move onto the next. Chara doesn't stop us, just helps us continue (presumably to other games, to fit with the meta themes)
@@emirturkmen4524 that doesn't make their actions any less evil though
@@maila319 Oh I assumed you were saying they weren't evil, my bad we agree
@@emirturkmen4524 tbh you worded your reply as if you think chara did nothing wrong like many defenders do but I also expect you are not an offender who thinks chara is a psycho who enjoys evil
had a theory that frisk somehow died when they fell.no matter which optuon you pick at the end of a true pasifist run they go along.and since frisk is supposed to be a self insert it makes sense
wdym by go along
just because you were raised to be evil
doesn't mean that you're not evil.
same thing can be applied to Chara,
our actions caused Chara to "become evil".
becoming Evil is still Evil.
It is exclusive to genocide. In that case, Frisk is also evil.
@@LiMe251 well frisk does give out creepy smiles and find amusement in doing it then yeah. he's evil too or at least evil minded.
@@RetroGAME congrats, you missed the point of the game.
@@xatime2833 I know what the game is about. I'm only saying if you make someone evil. then they're evil regardless of it's origins. that's only my main point.
just because a bank robber was raised by crooks doesn't mean the bank robber isn't evil.
@@RetroGAME Game's whole theme is nobody is actually bad, just flawed and wronged in different ways
It's up to you whether you fix it by being good, or fuck everything over by "playing it like any other RPG game"
Yeah I understand this but here's a important question, why doesn't Chara act this way in a neutral run? You can still gather high LOVE and the route be canceled by leaving one enemy left to kill at the core, it doesn't make sense to me when leaving one enemy to live, that suddenly makes Chara "Yeah, I don't like it anymore" and we all know that they do enjoy killing by seeing them say "That was fun. Let's finished the job." in the demo. And why can we kill every boss (besides Undyne) in one hit in a genocide run and not in a neutral run? We can still get high LOVE and it doesn't matter, it's because of Chara is not there, only when they are, we are able to. Check the orange book in the library in Snowdin, it states: "The crueller the intentions of our enemies, the more their attacks will hurt us." They hate the monsters as well with humanity but I'm not saying they once did when they were alive but now once they're back? I believe so but I'll explain in the replies of this comment if you want me to explain further because this comment is already too long. And I like to say that I love this video regardless, it's very well made!
Yet people still blame Chara because they want to be always right and never wrong
I'd like to point out a dialogue you get by doing 3 or more genocides (I think it's 3)
"a different path might be better suited." Chara actively suggests that you stop killing, and start on a better route. they're tired of it. they're tired of YOU killing.
in the same dialogue they also insult you for recreating the world and destroying it over and over, stating you are "wracked with a perverted sentimentality", further showing that they don't want you to be doing this
She suggests another route only to kill people in the ending of that route if you do it, so she basically lied for the purpose of harming or inflicting pain on others... Hmm sounds kinda like category 5 of diagnosis of sadistic personality disorder in the DSM III.
Kris' and Frisk's skin tone and hair colour are a perfect match. In addition, the red eyes may also be shared between the two of them. I think as of now the most coherent interpretation of who Kris is, is Frisk's body with Chara's personallity. I don't know what might have caused this to happen.
for the Kris thing, it is probable Kris represents both as the colour scheme of Kris entirely is of Frisk's.
Chara was a decent person with a hidden dark side when they were alive. The genocide run awaked that dark side, giving them the realization about how much they enjoy destruction and killing. That’s my interpretation
When they were alive they just had more consequences.
Actually, the mentions of Kris and Chara being so similar gave me a good idea. Possibly, they are so similar because they ultimately share the burden of being at your will. Their future is in your hands. Each, fighting back or taking control away from you at some point as well.
This makes me think with being so similar, both in personalization and in actions, ultimately that is Kris’s role in Deltarune. They are their own person, like Chara, and their role will be made by you. You can make Kris a kind and caring person, even helping them through what seems to be hard times before you arrived and surround them with friends to help them. Or make Kris wallow in Despair at abusing and manipulating his own friends and ultimately push in them further into the concept of strength until it’s all they know. Same as Chara did except with…. More freezing and less murder.
I always wondered why everyone draws, talks, etc., about the fact that Chara is bad and it is she/he/they who takes possession of Frisk? When “Chara” “took over” Frisk, they did not listen to Sans, walked past the puzzles, attacked him, Asgore and Flowey themselves, but what if it was not Chara who did this, but Frisk? The player has Determination, that is WE are Determination that controls Frisk, and Chara, according to Asriel, no longer exists. Determination and a sense of power have taken over Frisk and therefore she/he/they cannot attack THEMSELVES or spare.
Yes, dialogues with Chara and texts can refute this, but what if Chara only writes the text, nothing more.
Frisk is human, and humans don't like monsters. Maybe at first Frisk obeys US and only wants the monsters to be happy, but when Determination comes to Genocide, and Frisk is still a child, how can they not go crazy? Therefore, Frisk takes over Determination (the Player) and does everything as they wanting, killing Sans, Asgore and Flowey, for the vengeance of the 6 fallen humans.
But what about Chara? Chara hates humans, but not monsters, most likely THEY wanted to destroy humans and free monsters, because they and Asriel came up with this plan and wanted to get 6 Souls. She/he/they doesn't kill monsters, WE do. Chara is only cunningly luring US so that they can gain control of Frisk (after genocide) and make her/his/their plan real by destroying humanity in a soulless pacifist. And blurring the faces of the monsters in the photograph is just a reminder of what WE did so that WE would not forget about the genocide.
Let’s be honest player was the one responsible for the genocide. And Chara who we don’t know practically anything about happened to be the perfect person to blame for the genocide.
Chara is kind of attached to Frisk's soul. The more darkness and evil in Frisk's heart, the more evil Chara picks up from them.
I thought this was common knowledge at this point. We had this convo years ago! Did people already forget??!!!!?
in my honest opinion
i headcanon that chara liked punk rock, specifically my chemical romance, and so does kris
I mean, the thing is that we got over this misinterpretation years ago
3:22 I’m pretty sure frisk really is chara. in the end of the genocide route you can just see their original appearance/form. chara also says she was “reincarnated” meaning reborn in a new form, just like flowey did (was asriel).
this is just my theory which i believe atm
Both Chara and Kris are influenced by the players actions, leading me to believe that if you kill enemies in Deltarune, Kris will go down that bad path just as Chara did. This will cause Kris to take back control as we see them attempt at the end of Deltarune Chapters 1 & 2, with that infamous "Since when were you the one in control?" line.
Also in both True pacifist and geno, you are for filling the profecy by either freeing the underground by breaking the barrier or freeing the underground by killing presumably all monsters and free them from their prison.
Another great analysis of chara in this day and age of what sort of human they ate
are*
It's not Horrortale tf
Counter overanalyzing!!!!
Chara literally could be medically diagnosed with sadistic personality disorder -
She shares symptoms with sadistic Personality disorder as based on the dsm 3:
According to the DSM-III-R diagnostic criteria Sadistic personality disorder is defined by a pervasive pattern of sadistic and cruel behavior that begins in early adulthood. It was defined by four of the following.
1.Has used physical cruelty or violence for the purpose of establishing dominance in a relationship (not merely to achieve some noninterpersonal goal, such as striking someone in order to rob him/her).
2.Humiliates or demeans people in the presence of others.
3.Has treated or disciplined someone under his/her control unusually harshly.
4.Is amused by, or takes pleasure in, the psychological or physical suffering of others (including animals).
5.Has lied for the purpose of harming or inflicting pain on others (not merely to achieve some other goal).
6.Gets other people to do what he/she wants by frightening them (through intimidation or even terror).
7.Restricts the autonomy of people with whom he or she has a close relationship, e.g., will not let spouse leave the house unaccompanied or permit teenage daughter to attend social functions.
8.Is fascinated by violence, weapons, injury, or torture.
Chara fits categories 1(do not erase), 3(Asriel after absorbing her soul), 4(being mean to Asriel just cause, laughing at asgores pain, killing everyone in soulless pacifist), 5(speaks like she wants you to do pacifist because it's morally right when she actually commits murder in it), 6(jumpscare in genocide after you don't do what she wants), 8(where are the knives?), and could be debated to fit 7 because she literally leaves you in a black screen for 10 minutes, and it could be debated it's a close relationship (from her pov) because she calls you "partner". The required minimum to diagnose is 4 and she fits 6/7. Also She doesn't fit the categories of aspd, or se*ual sadism disorder which is a requirement to be diagnosed with sadistic personality disorder. (Just making my argument 100% undebatable)
GET REKT CHARA DEFENDERS I HAVE THE DSM 3 ON MY SIDE AND YOU HAVE NOTHING!! MWAHAHAHA!!
@@averageyoutubehandle497 Also this is spamming
I'm reppporrttinngg yooouuuu
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People still don’t know this In 2024? How?
Because Chara is a poorly written character that's why there is so much controversy around this character.
chara doesnt destroy the entire universe, you just complete the game, thats all
2:19
The difference is Frisk being the player’s character in the game has the ability to go back and undo previous mistakes, Chara doesn’t.
For the hatred for humanity and climbing mountain for not happy reasons is the fact it’s heavily implied that Chara was abused on the surface, and climbed the mountain to take their own life.
Or maybe she was just a piece of [work] and she actually killed someone so she was banished by humans.
The point is, they don’t want to hurt monsters!
Also you expect what’s probably a child, to be able to kill multiple people?
One of the items (faded ribbon) says “If you’re cuter, monsters won’t hit you as hard” it’s implied Chara was abused on the surface.
Chara, from the video game "Undertale," is often portrayed as morally ambiguous or potentially malevolent due to their actions within the game's narrative. While interpretations of Chara vary, a compelling argument for their negative qualities stems from their pivotal role in the game's genocide route. In this route, Chara encourages the player to exterminate every monster encountered, actively driving them towards violence and destruction. This manipulation of the player's choices to commit genocide speaks to Chara's underlying malevolence, suggesting a desire for power and control over others. Furthermore, Chara's past actions, such as their poisoning and eventual demise, cast a shadow over their character, raising questions about their true intentions. Their association with the eradication of an entire species underscores a darker aspect of their personality, emphasizing their capacity for ruthless and harmful actions. Thus, while interpretations may vary, these elements collectively paint a picture of Chara as a character with significant negative traits and motivations within the context of "Undertale."
The Used to think Chara was evil since how the fandom portrayed them.
but why she took over us after the pacifist (post genocide) she should be lvl 1 and not entirely evil no ?
Skin colour, expression, being controlled by the play, those things are all in common with Frisk. I think Kris is supposed to be a reflection of the relationship between Chara and Frisk in relation to the player; they're two people or one, it doesn't matter when it comes to being controlled.
Bro why does this look like a chara apology video?
there being a villain in the undertale genocide route would undermine the entire point of the player being a terrible person
i like this and its nice someone shares the same view
thank you im glad you pointed this out and i hope more people get to see this information and change their minds
Says a guy with smug face Sans blasting Chara...
very true@@narrativeless404
This is so true i actually have done a lot of reaserch about chara and would like to say my own theory, and it's even more in debt. showing that chara isn't evil! Chara fell in the underground and it is known thst they did it for not a happy reson like you said. Also one thing when you check the faided ribbon chara says. "If your cuter monsters might not hit you as hard!" Witch is actually such a disturbing answear- that basically already says something that happened too then in the surface bit if you need more of a nudge it basically intigates that chara was most likely abused by humans in the surface thus they're hate for humans there's also evidence of it for when you check the tools they're filed down sp they're safe and the knife's and anything sharp is hidden and we fully know that chara did not mean any harm too the dreamers and its actually that thry might have wanted too use it on themselves- so what we know chara was in a very bad state in the surface Nd climbed the mounten too commit suicide... but in instead of them dying they were taken in by the dreamers who showed them kindness and love for the first time!! And I've had some people argue that they were just "pretending" too be nice but that is complelty wrong actually!! In genoside you can find stuff chara made for them a sweather made for asgore with a writing sown on it "Mr. Dad Guy." Macarony art of a flower even and written on it is 'for king Dad!' They most literally pored they're hearts out and created stuff for them becuse they were the only people who actually showed them kindness... why wouldn't they do it? And now here's the other thing people yell at me on. "BUT THAT WAS JUST A SCEEM SO CHARA CAN GATHER THE HUMAN SOULS AND KILL EVRY HUMAN ALIVE!!" But that's far from truth!! We all know thst the plan started when chara and Asriel were making some pie for Asgore and acsidently mistook cups of butter for butter cups and don't start saying "NAH THRY DID THAT ON PURPISE" remember they're kids we did all sorts of stupid things as kids. So as we all know asgore gets sick and there is a quote of asriel saying that he should have laughed it off like chara did and NO chara did not enjoy asgores pain!! There are numurios of evidence even in real life that some people use laughter too cope with pain! I myself experienced it too!! And usually people with this problem most likely have gone trough abuse or truama witchbis another thing making it posseble that chara really was abused!! And so they're plan was done now fully knowing the butter cups are poisenes they used it too kill themselves for the plan. Witch is a terrible way too go symptoms of it is bloody dieria blistering of mouth extreme vometing and so on. And Chara didn't manipulate Asriel into going with the plan Asriel went with it without hesitation he only got sceared and worked once he notuced in how much pain chara was. But afther that asriel and chara went up and tried too do it though the humans attacked Asriel without mercy as us humans attack what we don't understand chara begged asriel too fight back becuse they were dying!! But asriel didn't Witch resolved in they're death... chara didn't wanna kill all humans they just needed the 7. And afther chara Is resurected by our determination they're confused sceared they don't understand why they're back. They're plan had failed. If you do genoside multiple time chara will say how disgusted they are by you!! And how much they actually hate you. You killed evryone they love and keep in mind they're a kod so you manipulated them into thinking this was right and chara still proped you too try a difrent ending then genoside if you don't listen and do it again they're disgusted by you and hate you for it. So that's my theory chara is in no way shape or form evil. Sure they made mistakes but they were just a kid! Also there's another thing I noticed chara goes complelty silent COMPLELTY trough genoside necuse they just keep on saying ". . ." So they were defiently not enjoying it either!
I think Noelle would make for a good parallel for Chara. Particularly, the Snowgrave Route, where we pressure her into freezing Darkeners. If you pay attention to her behavior whenever she and Kris begin a battle, she starts off jumping in fright, but then gradually showing less fear as she kills more and more Darkeners. Then, when we get to face Birdly, she's so complacent with killing that she initially sees Birdly as another enemy to kill.
Also keep in mind Kris' reaction to all that, especially knowing that the command for Noelle to kill came out of their mouth.