Agreed; the technology wasn't really there yet, and the Atari wireless controller used infared sensors, instead of the 2.4 Ghz and Bluetooth standards we have now.@@shaneg9081
Yeah I would have to agree with @shang9081 wireless controller technology was terrible back then and it is a big why this never happened. But to do something like this now today would be pretty cool idea for a retro NES console.
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Nintendo took a LOT of inspiration from early Apple product brochures for this. It looks and sounds almost identical to the original Macintosh advertising from 1984.
That all looks cool, but I think the wireless controllers would have killed it. Knowing how finicky TV remotes are, and trying to play a game with a controller using the same infrared technology... No one would have ever beat a NAVS game!
They did have wireless controllers in the NES era - Acclaim and I think another company made them - I had a set of the Acclaim ones - they almost looked like Genesis controllers took AA batteries like a pig - and had a wireless receiver you had to plug into the controller port - had a limited range but it was nice because it had built in turbo buttons and a 'slow mo' button which was basically a button that caused pause and un pause repeatedly. They worked alright until the batteries ran out.
They kind of tried with the "NES Satellite" accessory. It allowed not only quasi wireless play, but also four player game play (on very limited supported games)
Per the the thought at six minutes or so in. I do wonder what gaming would have been like has the Nintendo console allowed BASIC programming and coding, and introduced North America to the wonders and joys (and sometimes anger at typos) of being able to both create your own games or just buy a magazine and input what others had submitted like ZX Spectrum owners did. Never would have happened with how much Nintendo wanted to control everything sure, but just imagine the games we could have had and how many people would have been inspired into gaming more than the NES already created.
I remember seeing a one-paragraph mention of the Nintendo AVS in the very last issue of Computer Entertainment Magazine (which started out as Electronic Games.) This final issue seemed to me like the final nail in the coffin of video games. Ironic that it included this brief mention of what would evolve into the device that revitalized the whole thing.
In the end, it wasn't bells and whistles that brought Nintendo's 8-bit machine to the forefront. While the superior graphics and sound helped, it was ultimately the combination of the strength of Nintendo's own titles, a superb controller design, reliable hardware, and heavy support from third party developers (Rare, Capcom, Technos, Sunsoft, Konami, etc.) and publishers (Acclaim, Tradewest, Tengen) that made the NES the powerhouse that it was.
5:51 This was also because Nintendo knew their main competitors were Atari (With their home computers) and Commodore with the 64. The Commodore 64 was selling like hot cakes in 1984 and would continue to do so until like 1990.
It's understandable why Nintendo wanted to create this Advanced Video System. Growing up in the 70s through the 80s, my perspective on the Home Console Crash was basically caused by the advent of the home personal computer subtly emerging in the 80s. Where not only Atari themselves, but Commodore, Radio Shack, Texas Instruments, Apple and IBM were now producing their own PCs. Where the console companies were pressed to engineer their own personal computer add-ons. Where only Coleco's ADAM actually succeeding in producing one, but regrettably due to serious issues, like the magnetic storage that could accidentally be erased by the console's own printer, and the steep pricing at $725 (about $2130 in today's economics), it didn't sell well. So my theory is, Nintendo decided after the 1983 Video Game Console Crash, they needed to engineer a console which could not only revive the market, but also satisfy those who owned a PC. Thus, the Nintendo AVS, the proposed computer/console hybrid which--as you demonstrated--could not only just play video games, but could function as a computer, with unique storage capabilities. However, from what you revealed in the brochure, I suspect Nintendo realized what appeared great on paper, was not cost effective in the long run. Where I suspect back then, the price point would have been ridiculously high, and realizing many were burned by the Coleco ADAM, may not be eager to spend big bucks on an (then) unfamiliar system. Also wanted you to know I enjoy watching your channel, learning more about the lost consoles and gaming systems of the Past.
The deal for Atari to distribute the Famicom fell through after they found that Coleco was illegally demonstrating their Adam computer with Donkey Kong.
11:50 I really get confused whenever I hear people say this as it is it's own myth in itself as I can't be the only person who owned one growing up that simply left the cartridges and machine out gathering dust. To be clear mine at least seemed to have no planning for static charge and would always attract an absolute caked layer that NGL was fun to watch launch into the air allowing for a clean connection to be made with as you implied finicky pins.
No way the data recorder was going to be wireless in the mid-80s. Data transfer speeds over IR and RF were too slow, especially for the typical child playing a video game. For example, I used to sync my PalmPilot with my Mac over IR in the late 1990s. It required direct line of site between devices and often took about 5 minutes. Instead, I assume Nintendo would have connected the the data recorder on the side. Daisy-chained sidecar peripherals were common in 1980s home computing. The TI-99/4A and the TRS Color Computers were notorious for sidecar expansions. So it is safe to assume that's the model Nintendo's Advanced Video System would have used. And its eventual replacement the NES features an expansion port, but instead of on the side, it was on the bottom.
When a company has been around for 134 years it is going to have it's fair share of failures, but don't forget that this is the company that created a top-selling game and a top-selling sequel [which were based on a game series that started 30 years earlier] in which you make, share, and play levels, that has became so popular that youtubers have created careers based on people watching them play it and in it's basic form, is a single-player side scroller. But go on, tell me how Labo was such a bomb.
Funny why talk about Darwin. Last time I check, I don't come from a banana! I hate that comparison to Darwin religion of evulution. Things don't get better in real life or complex. They get dumber and less complex.
About time someone covered this. They had this at the Nintendo museum. I wish they released this back in the day.
It would have been awful. Wireless controllers were absolute garbage back then.
Agreed; the technology wasn't really there yet, and the Atari wireless controller used infared sensors, instead of the 2.4 Ghz and Bluetooth standards we have now.@@shaneg9081
Not me. The combo of a console, 2 controllers, light gun and Mario/duck hunt for $100 was why so many of us had them.
Yeah I would have to agree with @shang9081 wireless controller technology was terrible back then and it is a big why this never happened. But to do something like this now today would be pretty cool idea for a retro NES console.
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Nintendo took a LOT of inspiration from early Apple product brochures for this. It looks and sounds almost identical to the original Macintosh advertising from 1984.
At 3:45 I really dig the innovative controllers above the console!
I remember Nintendo Power did an article on this back in the 90's. They had pictures of different prototypes of the NES, it was neat to see.
Like which ones?
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I like the prototype NES design.
merry Christmas 🎅🤶
As always, great to see something I didn't know existed in Nintendo history.
3:47 - Why does the door say "NES Version" on it?
That all looks cool, but I think the wireless controllers would have killed it. Knowing how finicky TV remotes are, and trying to play a game with a controller using the same infrared technology... No one would have ever beat a NAVS game!
They did have wireless controllers in the NES era - Acclaim and I think another company made them - I had a set of the Acclaim ones - they almost looked like Genesis controllers took AA batteries like a pig - and had a wireless receiver you had to plug into the controller port - had a limited range but it was nice because it had built in turbo buttons and a 'slow mo' button which was basically a button that caused pause and un pause repeatedly. They worked alright until the batteries ran out.
I kinda dig the edgier Nintendo marketing. Could have worked, infrared controllers? Nah. Not even Nintendo would have made that work.
They kind of tried with the "NES Satellite" accessory. It allowed not only quasi wireless play, but also four player game play (on very limited supported games)
Honestly, I kinda want to visit the timeline where this came out instead of the NES
For most of us, it’s a certainty the best Christmas present for any Nintendo enthusiast. Merry Christmas your ladyship.
Where’s that ending music from? It sounds like a scary Pokémon theme
Per the the thought at six minutes or so in. I do wonder what gaming would have been like has the Nintendo console allowed BASIC programming and coding, and introduced North America to the wonders and joys (and sometimes anger at typos) of being able to both create your own games or just buy a magazine and input what others had submitted like ZX Spectrum owners did.
Never would have happened with how much Nintendo wanted to control everything sure, but just imagine the games we could have had and how many people would have been inspired into gaming more than the NES already created.
I remember seeing a one-paragraph mention of the Nintendo AVS in the very last issue of Computer Entertainment Magazine (which started out as Electronic Games.) This final issue seemed to me like the final nail in the coffin of video games. Ironic that it included this brief mention of what would evolve into the device that revitalized the whole thing.
In the end, it wasn't bells and whistles that brought Nintendo's 8-bit machine to the forefront. While the superior graphics and sound helped, it was ultimately the combination of the strength of Nintendo's own titles, a superb controller design, reliable hardware, and heavy support from third party developers (Rare, Capcom, Technos, Sunsoft, Konami, etc.) and publishers (Acclaim, Tradewest, Tengen) that made the NES the powerhouse that it was.
5:51 This was also because Nintendo knew their main competitors were Atari (With their home computers) and Commodore with the 64. The Commodore 64 was selling like hot cakes in 1984 and would continue to do so until like 1990.
Advanced Video System is a cooler name than the Nintendo Entertainment System imo.
As always well done. Love your videos
Thank you for the LifeForce enemy music in the background.
Would have preferred the sticks. Gamepads were difficult to adjust to and I still prefer sticks.
It's understandable why Nintendo wanted to create this Advanced Video System. Growing up in the 70s through the 80s, my perspective on the Home Console Crash was basically caused by the advent of the home personal computer subtly emerging in the 80s. Where not only Atari themselves, but Commodore, Radio Shack, Texas Instruments, Apple and IBM were now producing their own PCs. Where the console companies were pressed to engineer their own personal computer add-ons.
Where only Coleco's ADAM actually succeeding in producing one, but regrettably due to serious issues, like the magnetic storage that could accidentally be erased by the console's own printer, and the steep pricing at $725 (about $2130 in today's economics), it didn't sell well.
So my theory is, Nintendo decided after the 1983 Video Game Console Crash, they needed to engineer a console which could not only revive the market, but also satisfy those who owned a PC. Thus, the Nintendo AVS, the proposed computer/console hybrid which--as you demonstrated--could not only just play video games, but could function as a computer, with unique storage capabilities. However, from what you revealed in the brochure, I suspect Nintendo realized what appeared great on paper, was not cost effective in the long run. Where I suspect back then, the price point would have been ridiculously high, and realizing many were burned by the Coleco ADAM, may not be eager to spend big bucks on an (then) unfamiliar system.
Also wanted you to know I enjoy watching your channel, learning more about the lost consoles and gaming systems of the Past.
❤ awesome video as always @LadyDecade
Great Stuff, as always!
8:45 IR? Thank god they went with wires.
Another great informative video!!!!
I feel like i remember that ad from somewhere. That joystick thing looks so odd.
The deal for Atari to distribute the Famicom fell through after they found that Coleco was illegally demonstrating their Adam computer with Donkey Kong.
So not even nintendo itself used the wii u in their switch marketing?
9:16 A mear speck of dust causes the save process to fail lol.
Early mobile phones had IR. Appearantly it was very unreliable and dog slow.
Well..
Love your channel ❤
The Life Force boss theme in the background 😂 ✈️ °°°°°°°✊ ✊ 👁️ 🧠
maybe i missed it -= did the video actually say why they didnt release the avs and instead stuck with the nes?
WOW! Cool info! 🙂
Wow from the title I figured it was a console version of the GBA that was never released.
That ending music was horrendous
11:50 I really get confused whenever I hear people say this as it is it's own myth in itself as I can't be the only person who owned one growing up that simply left the cartridges and machine out gathering dust. To be clear mine at least seemed to have no planning for static charge and would always attract an absolute caked layer that NGL was fun to watch launch into the air allowing for a clean connection to be made with as you implied finicky pins.
No way the data recorder was going to be wireless in the mid-80s. Data transfer speeds over IR and RF were too slow, especially for the typical child playing a video game. For example, I used to sync my PalmPilot with my Mac over IR in the late 1990s. It required direct line of site between devices and often took about 5 minutes. Instead, I assume Nintendo would have connected the the data recorder on the side. Daisy-chained sidecar peripherals were common in 1980s home computing. The TI-99/4A and the TRS Color Computers were notorious for sidecar expansions. So it is safe to assume that's the model Nintendo's Advanced Video System would have used. And its eventual replacement the NES features an expansion port, but instead of on the side, it was on the bottom.
Talk about the NES clones in Brazil 🇧🇷
I had never heard of this system. Interesting
Wat? BASIC was already common in the US. It was at the heart of machines like the TI-99/4A and the Apple II.
Merry Christmas lady decs
Have a merry christmas everyone
Yea, I didn't really look at Nintendo... Nice video
Happy Christmas 🎄🎄😎👍
In honour of the music I kind of feel I need to add.... "An Intruder has penetrated our force field" 😀
what do you think of links awakening dx hd...
i allegely love it
It’s really good they went with wireless controllers. R/F controllers in the 80’s were awful!
The true best nintendo product is the U_Force
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Who else is here early?
Two years early
Lady decade has some nice tips!
@@geraldcollins7103 ?
Me!🙋🏻♂️ It’s August 3 1993 where I am right now.
Agreed
The video title says gaming history series, I read it very quickly and thought this was a Gaming Historian video, I have nothing against Lady Decade.
Interesting
Obviously it became the super Nintendo. It looks just like it.
That about Nintendo Spain?? Hahah I'm Spanish and this is not possible...
lol…lady you’re in the way of the console.
Love you 😍
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Blaming the video game crash on "poor games" sounds a lot like the capitalists deflecting blame for a market bubble bursting.
After the 70’s, Atari made too many bad decisions.
Yep
It’s incredibly odd to see no controller ports
Avs looks cooler
So…. How advanced?
15min diatribe of the history of Nintendo with nothing more than the same two promo pictures of the advanced system, oh and bewbs rinse repeat 😂
I can make up sht too yo
When a company has been around for 134 years it is going to have it's fair share of failures, but don't forget that this is the company that created a top-selling game and a top-selling sequel [which were based on a game series that started 30 years earlier] in which you make, share, and play levels, that has became so popular that youtubers have created careers based on people watching them play it and in it's basic form, is a single-player side scroller. But go on, tell me how Labo was such a bomb.
Shigeru Miyamoto rival and arch nemesis Nagiru Yamamoto said "NO", thus sealing the fate of the Advanced Video System.
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love Hotels ummmm kinda like Epstein ?
What a waste of time
Funny why talk about Darwin. Last time I check, I don't come from a banana! I hate that comparison to Darwin religion of evulution. Things don't get better in real life or complex. They get dumber and less complex.
Will you help me grow my gaming channel maybe some advice?😊 I’m considering changing genders for views😅