Loki - An Overpowered Warframe

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  • Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
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    Loki is actually a good Warframe, no he doesn't need a massive rework and the QOL updates to Decoy and Switch Teleport is the cherry on top.
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    0:00 - 2:15 Intro
    2:15 - 4:44 Passive
    4:44 - 8:34 Decoy & Synergies
    8:34 - 12:11 Nev Explains
    12:11 - 14:38 Enemy Aggression
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  • @NovaUmbral
    @NovaUmbral  3 місяці тому +163

    SMALL EDIT: Melee units won't path to Decoy IF its in fickle places I forgot to add this with the infestation because they are all melee attackers BUT some melee attackers in grineer and corpus will still try to path to special spot decoys (Probably bugged/inconsistencies)
    So before anyone asks, yes. I will have the full Loki retrospective out later this year, its a huge project I've been working on in the background each month and its taken a lot of time as I can't commit full time to it with other videos in between. So far I'm only done 2012 - 2014, but when its near completion I will have an announcement about it this year. Thank you for your patience.
    Thank you Nev for the help with this video, be sure to check out his channel here: www.youtube.com/@nev546

    • @piplupxpp
      @piplupxpp 3 місяці тому +2

      Loki sucks

    • @nev546
      @nev546 3 місяці тому +2

      9:20 I wanna better explain why distance is so important, since I realize that I did a pretty bad job explaining that imo. Enemy pathing and enemy damage dealing are one in the same, an enemy cannot deal damage to you if it is unable to path to where you are. Equally, enemy aggro and enemy distance are one in the same because in order for an enemy to determine what it wants to shoot at, it needs to check for how valuable the thing it wants to shoot is, and also determine whether or not it makes sense to get to the target compared to another.
      Each target basically has a gigantic radius around it, where it's "pathing value" will slowly diminish over range. In the same vein, each aggro level will also have a "targeting value" with a similar radius, though the "targeting value" is actually slightly higher for non-melee units. The bigger your target's starting value is, the bigger it's number will be at larger ranges, and this is why decoy is so powerful, and also why targets will shoot at you whilst pathing to the defense objective.
      Basically, "aggro" is the combination of distance value + targeting value (where both values are stronger the closer you are) and decoy just has the biggest starting values for both of these things, making it the highest priority target so long as you are not so close that your aggro generation spikes too high. The closer the enemies can get to the decoy, the less likely they are to switch to targeting you, which is why they can basically be walked up on and will entirely ignore you until you're too close. Every target also has a completely different falloff formula as well, a warframe's maximum aggro generation actually falls off after 5m, where they sharply decrease to a "medium" aggro generation, and that value diminishes linearly as you would expect; a defense target's aggro generation will always stay the same at all ranges, and actually has the biggest range of any target, able to be seen by the enemies across an entire map. Loki's decoy has a value higher than every other target (with the exception of warframes within 5m) for targeting value specifically, but it's pathing value is actually the same as a defense target but with a different rage falloff (it can't be seen across the entire map), which is why sometimes the enemies will still path to a defense target despite wanting to target the decoy. (example 13:25) The reason disarming the enemies makes them switch priority to the decoy actually has to do with the fact that you have reset their target entirely when disarming them, they now check to see what the best target to attack is since they lost their old one, and when they check, they see that the decoy now has the same pathing value and a higher targeting value, so they go attack it instead of the defense obj.
      Fun fact going invis removes your target value part of the aggro generation and silencing weapons removes the pathing value part of the aggro. Thankfully, there are caveats to this, such as enemies detecting corpses of their friends, but there are honestly more things to talk about like enemy "memory" and we're getting too technical already.
      Pathing value also changes based on how "accessible" it is. If the enemies don't think that they can get to an area, then it's pathing value is automatically set to 0, and the enemies will ignore the target value of something that they cannot path to unless they can shoot at it, which is why the decoy on infested can sometimes feel like it's "not working" when placed on elevation. Pathing value is just telling the AI how much they want to be in a place, if they ultimately can't get to the place, then they stop wanting it entirely, and instead want to be in a new place where they can attack something. This is why disarming an enemy is honestly overpowered, changing their AI to melee makes it so that pathing and targeting value are now the same, and melee units will basically swap off of what they are attacking (unless it's a warframe within 5m) to instead focus on the decoy regardless of what it is.
      back to 9:20, what I was trying to say is that pathing to where you can get LOS is less valuable to the AI then pathing directly to the target, because the enemy only cares about the distance value of any position, and not the target value when it comes to pathing specifically. The enemy has a target with has a higher priority, but since it cannot shoot at the target it paths to where it is closer to the target, instead of pathing to where it can shoot the target. Hopefully this is a better explanation, honestly Nova Umbral did a bang up job with this one, you should send this video to triburos on twitter :)
      TL;DR: "Pathing value" and "targeting value" together are what make "aggro value." Enemies prioritize getting close to a target instead of getting to a place where they can shoot a target if they have a target with a higher "targeting value" and are trying to path to it at the same time because they can't see it. Enemies with melee combine pathing and targeting value into the same thing, so if an enemy cannot path directly to the target they will ignore it. Invisibility removes targeting value, silenced weapons remove pathing value, enemies have memory of what they are currently targeting but they can forgor if you do some things like disarm or go invis.

    • @nev546
      @nev546 3 місяці тому +4

      @@piplupxpp ur mom

    • @ricardocastro7958
      @ricardocastro7958 3 місяці тому

      decoy dosent count as ally i cant get that effect with decoy

    • @dgalloway107
      @dgalloway107 3 місяці тому

      Yeah i disagree. Lokis toolkit is nice when it works but it usually does not. After years of playing him i think hes one of the weakest warframes ever made. Entirely reliant on good weapons because he has no means of killing without them. His only use is for cloak. And even then his cloak is inferior to Ivara, slightly better than Ash.
      Ash and Ivara arent weak ass eunich frames like loki is.

  • @zengp218
    @zengp218 3 місяці тому +871

    Missed the chance to name the title "lowkey overpowered"
    Edited: nvm that works now

    • @evolvingdragon1793
      @evolvingdragon1793 3 місяці тому

      You disappointed me by not going all the way you coward "loki overpowered"😂

    • @Yoophy
      @Yoophy 3 місяці тому +16

      What a missed opportunity. He has to change it to this when he sees it

    • @umaninstrumentalityprject2989
      @umaninstrumentalityprject2989 3 місяці тому +7

      CHANGE ITTTTTTTTTTTT

    • @zengp218
      @zengp218 3 місяці тому +3

      He removed the "is", I guess that works too

    • @deadlims8051
      @deadlims8051 3 місяці тому

      @@zengp218he put it back

  • @provaricus627
    @provaricus627 3 місяці тому +233

    I like Loki because you can be a security camera with a gun taped on

    • @zacharygajewski980
      @zacharygajewski980 3 місяці тому +4

      How does this comment not have more likes? 😂

    • @Uthael_Kileanea
      @Uthael_Kileanea 3 місяці тому +2

      It's called a turret.

    • @hoopla5502
      @hoopla5502 3 місяці тому +5

      ​@Uthael_Kileanea I'm sure your a blast to be around

    • @Dajan456
      @Dajan456 3 місяці тому

      based wall latch duration enjoyer

  • @kingawesome5219
    @kingawesome5219 3 місяці тому +373

    Nev and Nova: “Loki is OP”
    *Trib has awoken*

    • @evinickbruggen6407
      @evinickbruggen6407 3 місяці тому +37

      The funny thing is he even touches on some of these points in his Loki build guide. Trib was actually the reason I clicked on this video.

    • @Kazuhira2249
      @Kazuhira2249 3 місяці тому +24

      well funny meme man is actually a pretty competent loki player his loki build is still relevant to this day

    • @nev546
      @nev546 3 місяці тому

      @@evinickbruggen6407 tribs' old loki and limbo guides are some of the best guides out there, they highlight the fundamentals in a simplistic way that makes sense to the average player, whilst being nuanced and descript enough for people to get the deeper underlying mechanics. His guides are a large part of how I teach both limbo and loki, I don't think there are very many good guides on yt, but considering how far the game has come and how much has changed, those two guides still holding up to this day is a testament to how good they are, even if some things are outdated by now. Nova did a fantastic job explaining loki in the modern era, and we can only hope that trib would be proud, he's a legend in the community for a reason

    • @StrikerK5
      @StrikerK5 3 місяці тому +10

      he just posted a new vid and its the opposite of this video

    • @Mr.Finklebottom
      @Mr.Finklebottom 3 місяці тому +11

      It’s funny too, because trib even said that Loki is hyper-focused on a dead meta, that being CC, and was doomed to fail in the long run. Even Trib thinks Loki is going to die and these QOL changes won’t help at all.

  • @agopessimist1335
    @agopessimist1335 3 місяці тому +217

    Man, this is why I adore this channel.
    You put a spotlight on so many frames that are often overlooked or ignored, show how incredible they are, AND you recommend other channels and UA-camrs who go way more into depth with all these synergies.
    Seriously, I never would have fallen in love with Rhino, Limbo, or Loki if you didn’t have these videos up for them.
    Keep ‘em coming, I want more!

    • @kinsan89
      @kinsan89 3 місяці тому

      And yet even he overlooks Gara lol

    • @NovaUmbral
      @NovaUmbral  3 місяці тому +14

      @@kinsan89I Haven't been playing Gara much lately and you can pretty much dismiss that tierlist back in 2023. I will have a new opinion on her in the future but for the time being my thoughts on her is TBD

    • @kinsan89
      @kinsan89 3 місяці тому +3

      @@NovaUmbral she's my #1 frame, I'm just being a crybaby lmao

  • @AnymMusic
    @AnymMusic 3 місяці тому +212

    0:55 ok no but actually wtf is that tierlist. Ivara in F, Gauss in B, and Limbo in C??? Ivara is one of the last Warframes to need a rework, and Limbo is honestly fine if you have as little as 1 finger on the keyboard.

    • @sennsa510
      @sennsa510 3 місяці тому +115

      Baruuk in F is actually insane

    • @AnymMusic
      @AnymMusic 3 місяці тому +79

      @@sennsa510 bro thinks every frame needs to have an armor strip I bet

    • @severdislike4222
      @severdislike4222 3 місяці тому +26

      I'm always confused by low-tier Ivara - they do know what she exists for right? The blap bow. Because archons that die in one hit are a thing of beauty. If it big, it ded.

    • @CalamitasBrimstoneWitch
      @CalamitasBrimstoneWitch 3 місяці тому +11

      I knowwww. Ivara's fun to play, and actually pretty good if done right, Gauss is AMAZING, and Limbo can match some of the best DPS out there with Rift Torrent and the right build.

    • @AnymMusic
      @AnymMusic 3 місяці тому +20

      @@severdislike4222 Also she's just an amazing stealth frame, just with a slightly slower play style

  • @angry_batman8142
    @angry_batman8142 3 місяці тому +144

    0:55 "he gives me the same vibes as baruuk" while baruuk is an almost invincible murder machine that punch people like they're bags of air. He's a newbie for sure

    • @SacredFlapsProductions
      @SacredFlapsProductions 3 місяці тому +29

      i want what he's smoking.

    • @johnflory3306
      @johnflory3306 3 місяці тому +12

      Loki is actually invincible. Without invis.
      So with the stealth multiplier for melee, yes. Baruuk vibes.

    • @provaricus627
      @provaricus627 3 місяці тому +4

      Vibes as in design and general play. He avoids damage, disarms enemies and turns their attention away.

    • @johnflory3306
      @johnflory3306 3 місяці тому +9

      @@provaricus627 he's designed to be invincible and punch/slash enemies to death. Before we did it with the 8x invis multiplier, now we do it with invincibility. This is how loki is generally played. He has a ton of utility, sure. But so does Baruuk. They still play the same.

    • @kaneasax4923
      @kaneasax4923 3 місяці тому +1

      There's a big difference between baruuk and loki though. Desert wind can do way more than any melee weapon loki could use

  • @Gigatekh
    @Gigatekh 3 місяці тому +68

    Bro, trib is gonna be happy

    • @NovaUmbral
      @NovaUmbral  3 місяці тому +45

      That would be one of the highest honours, I Have immense respect for Trib.

  • @Purturtur
    @Purturtur 3 місяці тому +41

    So this is what Rebb meant when she said "Skill Issue" when responding to people saying Loki was bad.

  • @joelisvysniauskas4653
    @joelisvysniauskas4653 3 місяці тому +109

    "you dont need psf on loki" knightmere frame is malding rn

    • @Kazuhira2249
      @Kazuhira2249 3 місяці тому +38

      knightmare frame on his way to make a build that only consists of psf

    • @ferixia
      @ferixia 3 місяці тому +3

      Depends on how you want to play him. The duration is pretty short and it can get annoying safeguard switching every time, so yeah I'd personally use PSF 100%.

    • @nebulastar3087
      @nebulastar3087 3 місяці тому +2

      Gravity rush pfp out in the wild.

    • @joelisvysniauskas4653
      @joelisvysniauskas4653 3 місяці тому +1

      @@nebulastar3087 yup love that game

  • @Cryoxiis
    @Cryoxiis 3 місяці тому +11

    6:10 YES YES YES I have been banging on about this for over 12 months to anyone and everyone - you are finally the first major WF UA-camr to cover this so that it can begin to get the awareness that it needs. I can tell you've read my findings listed on the Wiki too. Safeguard Switch is the 'strongest' type of invulnerability in the game since nothing can dispel it, and it's also one of the easiest to upkeep requiring only 1 button press. I'm glad you've enjoyed this fresh breath of life into Loki's playstyle. My Tenno mission is now complete.

  • @Peekoh
    @Peekoh 3 місяці тому +27

    Glad to see I'm not the only one aware of Loki's capabilities.

  • @awrebyawe
    @awrebyawe 3 місяці тому +1

    Your videos are such deep-dives into frames and their abilities, it's amazing.

  • @kenohere
    @kenohere 3 місяці тому +10

    Loki was my first Warframe, and hold a special place in my heart. ♥

  • @MHBlacky_ENG
    @MHBlacky_ENG 3 місяці тому +4

    1:22 Wait! I know this guy... Isn't that this lime-green Inaros Main? :P
    But jokes aside, this was a very informative and well crafted video. Shoutouts to both, you and Nev for the great work. I learned a lot ❤

  • @MadHUN
    @MadHUN 3 місяці тому +2

    Loki is my next to max out so this is perfect timing for this video! Thank you!

  • @gomaboto
    @gomaboto 3 місяці тому +1

    I love your videos so much, you have such a better understanding of this game than most other content creators for the game

  • @BalooMcPilgrim
    @BalooMcPilgrim 3 місяці тому

    Great video. Your understanding of the game and videos like this is what makes warframe so great :)

  • @dyspnoe586
    @dyspnoe586 3 місяці тому +15

    Reducing weapon noise by 100% is imperative ( 17:45 ) , particularly at higher levels where enemy accuracy, especially among the Grineer, but to a lesser extent with the Corpus, coupled with the exponential increase in damage, that stray bullets may and will snipe you across the room.

    • @nniiijoo
      @nniiijoo 3 місяці тому +3

      Not at all. If you get sniped, you still have shield gate and press 5 to go into operator. The enemies don't actually target you while in invis, they just run to your position in a straight line -> you can shoot them in the head while they do.

  • @keppochuppu
    @keppochuppu 3 місяці тому +6

    This makes me super super happy, finally someone cool is covering this, Ive loved my loki for a long time and now hes getting the coverage he deserves

  • @thisguy3500
    @thisguy3500 3 місяці тому +10

    Never forget, you can safeguard switch with enemy corpses.

  • @wellplayedninjas
    @wellplayedninjas 3 місяці тому +23

    checkmate checkmate checkmate checkmate

    • @NovaUmbral
      @NovaUmbral  3 місяці тому +32

      You checkmate your mother with that mouth?!

    • @TheSket
      @TheSket 3 місяці тому

      @@NovaUmbralwhat if he checkmates you’re mother with that mouth?
      ……………checkmate😂

    • @Mars23223
      @Mars23223 3 місяці тому +1

      Loki is trash checkmate

  • @PolandDoge
    @PolandDoge 3 місяці тому +31

    I feel like he has the Limbo situation, where people say he sucks and stuff, but hes just misunderstood and should have an augment equipped

    • @BaeBunni
      @BaeBunni 3 місяці тому +14

      yea but Limbo I think gets a lot of hate from people because they play with an annoying limbo player.

    • @Jaesais
      @Jaesais 3 місяці тому +1

      main issue is that enemy death > crowd control.
      Loki is exclusively a “play me for fun” frame since there is no content hard enough to warrant his kit. 🥲

    • @zeothesnowwolf2937
      @zeothesnowwolf2937 3 місяці тому

      ​@@Jaesais and that's not because his kit actually sucks. It's that with the right setup he can make most content extremely trivial

    • @zeothesnowwolf2937
      @zeothesnowwolf2937 3 місяці тому

      Even the dps bros queen saryn can get G checked easily when levels reach a certain threshold but Loki can just make all content easy if you're not fucking stupid which a lot of these dps preachers are

    • @zeothesnowwolf2937
      @zeothesnowwolf2937 3 місяці тому +3

      And please note this is coming from a Mesa main. Loki is a frame that is extremely good but people say is bad purely because he's not flashy. He's effectiveness over sheer flash and damage

  • @unrandom312
    @unrandom312 3 місяці тому +12

    I have to say, WOW, the way this channel has changed, I remember seeing youre video of the open worlds, and disliking it at the moment because of an excesive rant, and now seeing videos taking every frame and the community into a new ligth, bringing me back to the game after a year and half. Absolutly love the evolution and originality, keep at it!

  • @giulianosnk
    @giulianosnk 2 місяці тому

    Thanks for the hints.

  • @jimbococktoasten1318
    @jimbococktoasten1318 3 місяці тому +126

    Was beating it and your vid came up and I accidentally busted to your video 😬😬 my bad

  • @ProlificPianist
    @ProlificPianist 3 місяці тому +74

    TBH you're the pretty much only warframe UA-camr I can stand these days. People just don't know how to use their brains, while you actually use critical thinking skills to figure out how to perceived trash to treasure. Good work as usual

    • @UNALLOYEDSLOP
      @UNALLOYEDSLOP 3 місяці тому +17

      I recommend you check out MCGamerCZ, his content as of late has been focused on taking underused/old weapons and trying to make them SP viable

    • @StartouchArts
      @StartouchArts 3 місяці тому +3

      MrWarframe Guy as well, he's really good at making unconventional builds work.

    • @Begler1
      @Begler1 3 місяці тому

      What the other guys said plus aznvasionsplays, he's the best build creator imo if you just want pure information, and he does lots of stuff outside the meta as well. He had an inaros ability only build with like 100kpm iirc lol.

    • @dgalloway107
      @dgalloway107 3 місяці тому

      Shows how little you use yours.

  • @woodybrando9665
    @woodybrando9665 3 місяці тому +3

    loki master race be coming back to life with this one

  • @purish215
    @purish215 3 місяці тому +7

    Rachet and clank song in the beginning is a banger

  • @AnimeArtist666
    @AnimeArtist666 3 місяці тому +2

    always love the videos gotta be my fav warfare creator

  • @thedisappointedoptimist6916
    @thedisappointedoptimist6916 2 місяці тому

    The way you do these videos.. imma have to hire you to do my obituary so you can explain how all of my flaws are actually just misunderstandings and I'm actually a pretty cool guy.

  • @ebicwinner1232
    @ebicwinner1232 3 місяці тому +19

    11 years later and they are STILL trying to hate on the loki master race

  • @jarlgreen1630
    @jarlgreen1630 3 місяці тому +3

    I have learned that there is no such thing as a bad frame. Just how you use it and how much fun you have with learning the frame.

  • @khaozcat
    @khaozcat 3 місяці тому +17

    It's just the way warframe community functions. What big youtubers say often dictates what many people use in game (which is not usually their fault, they are sharing their own experience, which then gets spread by word of mouth (a.k.a. qna chat, or people just googling "what's x best warframe for y activity" or similar stuff like that.)).They are spreading their opinion, which their viewers can easily mistake for pure facts. It's easy to be wrong about something, it's way harder to admit your faults and come from a fresh perspective, and this is a reminder to sometimes step back and just try things. Get your information from multiple sources if you do want advice, guidance is often times good, but don't over rely on a single person telling you what to do - the game is made to have your own fun and experiment, and people often forget that and think they are afraid to be in the "wrong" for doing something that does not line up with the current "meta".

    • @BaeBunni
      @BaeBunni 3 місяці тому +1

      It's honestly amazing when you want to make plat. "Get this weapon it's amazing" suddenly rivens jump up by 300% "I use this mod to get more damage" now people are spamming in trade chat for it.

    • @Maverick2736
      @Maverick2736 3 місяці тому +4

      Reason why *this video* should also be taken with a grain of salt, as well. Loki could still use a buff to his power and quality of life, regardless of how much this video is putting him on a pedestal.

  • @alesztra937
    @alesztra937 3 місяці тому +1

    I happened to start playing back when Loki was available as a starter frame, so I've always had a soft spot for him. This video was really great.

  • @Kathaeon
    @Kathaeon 3 місяці тому +2

    Finally Loki getting the love he deserves. Also learned some new things about his kit.

  • @Acroh
    @Acroh 3 місяці тому +1

    I love how you tookj inpiration from Mougs chroma vid, that intro was something i needed more of

  • @JayDee-vq5rf
    @JayDee-vq5rf 3 місяці тому +4

    Loki is the best frame for opening most rivens.
    Got his shards build for melee,
    1) Mainly use Endless lullaby and safeguard switch while in public games 71second sleep, 127m teleport range with 19 second invincibility, 77 sec decoy to heard everything into a pile.
    2) For open worlds I use a sniper build with deadeye, arcane momentum, hushed inviz, and Calm & Frenzy 140m sleep distance 14m radius, 210m teleport range. Sharp shooter on the sniper rifle. If public swap color to day for the damage vulnerability debuff instead.
    3) Eclipse build for this tab, over 800% damage bonus with arcane aracne active, wich is in every build.
    4) A wall latch build with is every mod that says wall latch, + duration mods just for doing riven challenges like 14 headshots in a row in 1 wall latch.
    The best part about platform frames is you can do whatever you want with them, if you want to use theorm arcanes and fuck around you can just do that and not care.

  • @Wonback
    @Wonback 3 місяці тому +6

    FINALLY the Loki video

  • @Wolfnrun
    @Wolfnrun 3 місяці тому

    Thank you!

  • @MrGrimmXM8
    @MrGrimmXM8 3 місяці тому +29

    Look, I know this video isn't meant to clown on people in the intro but I genuinely have to ask...
    0:50 What the actual fuck is this list??? Khora and Garuda NOT in S tier? Excal and Frost higher than B? Baruuk in *_FUCKING F TIER???_* Is this man playing the same game I am?

    • @rolandopastrana9705
      @rolandopastrana9705 3 місяці тому +5

      I watch his stream once he’s genuinely trash

    • @kicsiduda
      @kicsiduda 3 місяці тому +1

      frost is good tho

    • @GoodLifeGodLike
      @GoodLifeGodLike 3 місяці тому +1

      Frost with Icy Avalanche and Biting Frost makes SP a breeze - what do you mean?

    • @RoyalTfrii
      @RoyalTfrii 3 місяці тому +2

      Also limbo and lavos being c tier when played right they're a force of nature is absurd

    • @Zach-cn4lb
      @Zach-cn4lb 3 місяці тому +1

      @@kicsidudafrost is just Gara but infinitely worse

  • @vicvoss1285
    @vicvoss1285 3 місяці тому

    Near perfect video. Covering my favorite warframe and using music from my favorite game series (R&C) 👍

  • @AlluringSpy
    @AlluringSpy 3 місяці тому +2

    Thanks to your intro I now have to replay the Ratchet and Clank trilogy 😂

  • @ReviewersGuildArSR
    @ReviewersGuildArSR 3 місяці тому +6

    I think Loki is probably one of the few frames that don't have any offensive abilities, but how he can be used is interesting, especially his decoy.

  • @FatalKenshen
    @FatalKenshen 3 місяці тому +2

    Loki is probably my most utilised frames in defence, spy and lich hunts, since disarm speeds up the waves with the influx of melee units, decoy and switch teleport bypasses the spy lasers and liches rely on line of sight so you can go invisible and even thought there are many frames that do the objectives much faster or more efficient but he definitely has the versatility of breaking the AI in the game.

  • @shunwilson6088
    @shunwilson6088 3 місяці тому

    Thank you for showing respect to my first prime and my most used Warframe ❤

  • @user-lg4ci2rc4q
    @user-lg4ci2rc4q 3 місяці тому

    The subtle sound of an (off)meta shifting is always fun to hear

  • @Zamerus
    @Zamerus 3 місяці тому +3

    Nev explaining the ai explains how you end up having grineer on hydron shooting through the wall on the bottom floor instead of going through the doorways, as well as shooting up at the bottom of the platform trying to hit it.

    • @nev546
      @nev546 3 місяці тому +1

      You should have seen the full call between me and nova, I do so much yapping lmao, but distance is one of the most important factors for enemy pathing and it's one of those gameplay elements that most players just forget about. If a target has to choose between a low priority target that's 5m away or a high priority target that's 50m away, the low priority target will get shot at! This is fundamental, and when you start paying attention to it, you can start breaking the game, since it applies to everything. What makes loki's decoy so broken is that you can change the *distance* between a high priority target and the enemies, effectively giving you full control over the enemy pathing and thus making a mission easier for your team

    • @Zamerus
      @Zamerus 3 місяці тому

      @@nev546 unfortunately I did move from one squishy boy (Loki) to another squishy boy (limbo) but if I ever go back to my original golden sneaker this is stuff I'll try to remember

  • @DeuceTG
    @DeuceTG 3 місяці тому +2

    Rly good vid. Here's another Loki OP shenanigan: Invis + Banshee's Silence + Irradiating Disarm and then Decoy to mess with an entire map full of enemies, you take away all their detection methods except touch and at the same time your Decoy will tell them where to go while they're all disarmed and hitting each other, plus you literally nullify 100% of Eximus BS (except overguard). Slap a traditional range and duration build and have fun, especially solo :D

  • @camelusdromedarius3789
    @camelusdromedarius3789 2 місяці тому +1

    Since day 1 of WF it has always been loki master race 🗿

  • @resentfusion5634
    @resentfusion5634 3 місяці тому

    Thanks for the video glhf

  • @waechter13
    @waechter13 3 місяці тому

    I started loving loki in the last few weeks after i gave him the 5x archon, 6x forma treatment, hes just relaxed to play

  • @natepeace4379
    @natepeace4379 Місяць тому

    Never thought of usin him like this but this is great info I jus safeguard augment and never die lol and confuse enemies

  • @mrdeniyLightSkinDawg
    @mrdeniyLightSkinDawg 3 місяці тому

    I now know things I did not know, cant wait for the new decoy augment just to use it with max wall latch

  • @haroldpedro726
    @haroldpedro726 3 місяці тому +1

    One of the few people who still use Loki. I didn't know that his augment can give immunity. I like using his 4th with spectrorage to clump them together

  • @ecarius3928
    @ecarius3928 3 місяці тому

    Thanks for the video, I use Loki with the Wisp helminth, and Lanka, scatter damage is ridiculous.

  • @knockknackk318
    @knockknackk318 3 місяці тому

    It was days ago when I was wondering which low-tier Warframes do not deserve the tier they're put in by meta players and this vid definitely gave me an answer. I was trying to find an accessible frame for certain solo SP missions like Defense and being able to learn that Loki's decoy has that much potential is very helpful. Always love an educational vid

  • @mintypineapple6621
    @mintypineapple6621 3 місяці тому +1

    Haven’t heard that background song in years man

  • @modestasmurauskas12
    @modestasmurauskas12 3 місяці тому +2

    Is that Ratchet and Clank soundrack (from the golden ps2 era) at the start. Gave me nostalgic feels :D I hope it is ;)

  • @BunBros
    @BunBros 3 місяці тому

    I believe a few years ago, Triburos even mentioned Loki's decoy mechanics. Like people underestimate his kit. My only gripe, which DE already fixing, was specifically his decoy being so squishy. That's why I'm excited for the QoL it's getting. He still by far my beloved warframe.

  • @Confused_Slime
    @Confused_Slime 3 місяці тому +1

    as a loki main, thank you

  • @eduardofontescarlos6545
    @eduardofontescarlos6545 3 місяці тому +6

    Make one for Vauban, Professor dysto would be proud 🫡

  • @goblin4358
    @goblin4358 3 місяці тому +1

    I'm sure Triburos is very happy with this video

  • @chancesalopek1473
    @chancesalopek1473 3 місяці тому +1

    Showing love to warframeflo

  • @Darkwing29
    @Darkwing29 Місяць тому

    Loki silence with disarm is crazy good

  • @tanatos5
    @tanatos5 6 годин тому

    LOKI MASTER RACE!! Oh God it feels so ridiculously nostalgic - and sad, (yet full of fond memories) - to say it. Man how time flies by..
    PS! Thumbs up for the awesome, awesome video.

  • @ddssrr1614
    @ddssrr1614 3 місяці тому

    Triburos will be happy with the Loki buffs if he plays WF again.
    Side note that Arcane for wall latch damage would be good on loki for that build you mentioned. just though of it.

  • @severdislike4222
    @severdislike4222 3 місяці тому +5

    Loki, while not Limbo levels of misunderstood, very much approaches on it.

  • @fran99080
    @fran99080 3 місяці тому

    also that loki fashion is 🔥🔥

  • @redmdlee
    @redmdlee 3 місяці тому

    the one thing Im most excited bout the decoy changes is how i'll add it to my speedva to make defense missions less of a chore xD

  • @Mandingy24
    @Mandingy24 3 місяці тому +1

    The aggro for decoy seems to be the same as the aggro for enemies under Chaos. With that power they prioritze the closest thing they see as a threat, which in most cases ends up being other enemies. But since enemies die and move it's more erratic where with decoy you have much more control

    • @NovaUmbral
      @NovaUmbral  3 місяці тому +2

      Forgot to mention this

    • @Mandingy24
      @Mandingy24 3 місяці тому

      ​@@NovaUmbral definitely one of the most underrated and overlooked parts of Chaos that made Nyx one of my all-time favorites. I even have the statue they sold of her

  • @Voldrim359
    @Voldrim359 Місяць тому

    I didn't know the power of decoy and his teleport until now.
    The thing about warframe was about the CC, which Loki had the disarm and the decoy (people even used decoy for eidolons years ago) and the problem arises when the overguard was introduced to diminish the power of CC just a lil bit.
    But with late patches, more eximus units were added to the difficulty, right now, archimidean is f up with eximus (losing the purposes of having eximus in the first place)
    And the problem scale when more damage type warframe arosed like Voruna, Dagath, Dante (why cc when you can just one shot them)
    So Loki is not bad, is just his role of cc, dosarm, distract has been neglected due to the new mechanics. The now the best mechanic worth mention is the decoy and switch as you said

  • @howchildish
    @howchildish 2 місяці тому

    I really like loki and use him as a long range supressor. Subsumed switch teleport with silence from banshee and I can shut down eximus abilities while disarming normal enemies. Add in decoy's status augment and invisibility and I can make any sp mission or eximus stronghold missions a cake walk.

  • @honestmistake8167
    @honestmistake8167 3 місяці тому

    This just made me want to get out my free loki prime that I got with the New War livestream. All I need is to know where to find the Safeguard stuff and I'll be having fun playing an S tier frame in no time

  • @dashawnrobinson1802
    @dashawnrobinson1802 2 місяці тому

    1 more day until done drafting Loki. Gonna scan for Simaris

  • @killer_god-to7qo
    @killer_god-to7qo 3 місяці тому

    yessir les go giving some loki love that's what I'm talking about

  • @levifoote7786
    @levifoote7786 3 місяці тому

    Never did i ever think of banishing the decoy

  • @Palayedeuhm
    @Palayedeuhm 3 місяці тому +1

    Ok I have never heard of Loki setups like this before (not a super knowledgeable player for a lot of frames) but I always wanted to play Loki because he seems so cool and I like playing invis. My time has come. I will now be Loki player

  • @HellOnFourLegs
    @HellOnFourLegs 3 місяці тому +1

    disappear, replace everyone weapons with sticks, give them a radiation proc, put a mannequin where they cant break it, let them meet in the same room and mow them down with your weapon of preference

  • @WernerShadow
    @WernerShadow 2 місяці тому

    Loki was the S tier then and still is he can make any mission easy mode

  • @RBRSC
    @RBRSC 3 місяці тому +2

    With the full disclaimer that Loki is entirely usable, even powerful (he actually came up in my Netracell roulette wheel I do on stream recently)
    The AI pathfinding breakdown while interesting, kind of falls into the usual Warframe CC trap though. All 9 of those heavy gunners could have been killed by the invis Loki before they walked that.. If you flip it into a situation where you're defending something else, then all it takes is one or two guys outside the range with guns (or it's probably not at a point where the CC really comes into play beyond personal taste)
    Presumably somewhere there is apparently a numeric definition of threat levels, but just going off "High Threat Level" which is all the wiki seems to be disposed to offer, Nyx, Titania, and Khora can easily outperform it on defensive objectives if we're going with taunts. Saryn being the other one listed but that thing will actually die and not self-replenish (idk if you could banish the molt thing cause then you'd have to drop one of her other powers). Alongside Titania's Lantern while not being threat level also ignoring overguard and making enemies just casually waltz over to it to stare gormlessly while being irradiated.
    The safeguard invulnerability is nice... but two ability casts (and an augment slot) to catch up to Revenant/Nyx/Valkyr/Rhino (and potentially Frost and Styanax, with the requirement of a steady supply of targets)

  • @zachrus
    @zachrus 3 місяці тому

    Thanks

  • @queenindie8003
    @queenindie8003 3 місяці тому +1

    Ratchet and Clank music going hard as hell

  • @ZomgLolPants
    @ZomgLolPants 3 місяці тому

    so on my loki, i run 328% power strength using two tauforged reds, and 262% duration using molt efficiency, with pillage subsumed over his radial disarm.
    328% strength is enough to 100% armor strip in one cast using corrosive projection, and pillage scales its range based on duration, plus the shield regen is great for shield gating.
    Arcane energize and primed flow for efficiency, and damage decoy and safeguard switch for invincibility memes.
    It's been pretty fun!

  • @fightinggaymers7812
    @fightinggaymers7812 3 місяці тому

    Thank you for making these Warframe videos, they have helped me understand each frames' kits and history within the game so much. I'm looking forward to Loki Prime becoming available again from Resurgence, one day 🙏

  • @racc6405
    @racc6405 3 місяці тому

    best use case for loki for me is to throw a specter through the glass walls in spy missions then switch teleport, although a lot of glass doesnt work and in other vaults there isnt any glass.

  • @Spoilburg72685
    @Spoilburg72685 3 місяці тому

    Getting a gauss prime advertisement as a gauss main is not something I can complain about

  • @chaosgyro
    @chaosgyro 2 місяці тому

    The Damage Decoy augment is so much better than I thought it would be. I'm glad Loki is slept on so much because it means I don't have competition in mission to screw with the enemies very often.

    • @lovej8359
      @lovej8359 2 місяці тому

      It's bad because the enemy you placed decoy on can still die so I would rather kill everything than to wait until my decoy Starts applying status and then start killing

    • @chaosgyro
      @chaosgyro 2 місяці тому

      @@lovej8359 It can, but in general enemies don't do very good damage against other enemies. The Decoy clumps them all up, primes them for CO-type mods, and allows me to destroy a room/wave and move on.

    • @lovej8359
      @lovej8359 2 місяці тому

      @@chaosgyro yeah but if you are using an aoe weapon you will probably kill it before it spreads anything not to mention if you are playing with other people, all they need to do is make it a friendly ai meaning you can't damge it but the enemy still can then it's useable

  • @Rhodynit
    @Rhodynit 3 місяці тому +1

    oh no... He Really made a video about Loki

  • @EpicJones1
    @EpicJones1 3 місяці тому

    Yo Nova. Thanks for the upload. What is your favorite type of content to produce and why?

  • @monkeystar81
    @monkeystar81 3 місяці тому

    THANK YOU for this video Nova as a Loki main i have mad respect for you making this video Loki can def hold his own saying he is F tier bc no dps means they dont have any build creativity lol my loki shlaps in steel path its how you build him and what u invest in him

  • @zapeel1114
    @zapeel1114 3 місяці тому +1

    so much ratchet and clank soundtracks...
    and then the small clip of R&C3 in the Intro
    ❤❤❤

  • @pathfindersavant3988
    @pathfindersavant3988 3 місяці тому +1

    I've been using Banish Loki since Helminth dropped, and he's honestly pretty good and and versatile (especially in Escort Defense missions). Though I'm wondering if it will still be worth using once the changes drop

  • @deuterium2718
    @deuterium2718 3 місяці тому +2

    man on the wall OP

  • @notwafflen
    @notwafflen 3 місяці тому

    Nice video! Any idea on what this “netherfusion” weapon might be?

  • @fran99080
    @fran99080 3 місяці тому

    woooo lets go finally people will understand him

  • @lastoflancas
    @lastoflancas 3 місяці тому

    I know it’s a joke, but I find it funny that you used kyaii’s video in the intro, but he is one of your patrons.

  • @BaeBunni
    @BaeBunni 3 місяці тому

    Loki will be S-tier next update because I can finally fashion him!

  • @morkie28
    @morkie28 3 місяці тому

    on Sortie defense which is moving defense target, you can switch teleport that to make invulnerable all the time, Same on Plains edilion defense drone, you can switch them and it's became invulnerable

  • @grimm_satisfaction1292
    @grimm_satisfaction1292 3 місяці тому

    PREACH