I am John Taylor's 5th-great grandson, from his marriage to Leonora Cannon, and I'm constantly thankful that he survived the events of that day in Carthage, because now I'm here😆
It has already been proven that the watch was not shot by a rifle or a pistol. If it had been it would be completely destroyed. At best it looks like it was hit by a BB.
When I visited Carthage a few years ago, my guide told me a story from an eye witnesses diary. The witness said that the mob grabbed the head of our beloved Joseph with the intent to smite off his head, and at the moment he raised his weapon he was struck by lightning. This is the reason why no one touched him afterwards and his body was preserved. Not for lack of trying but because God didn't allow it.
Cardon, please put up your full-screen promos over dialogue, not over the slides from the presentations. The guy says "Here we see" whatever, but we don't see it because you cover it with a full- screen promo for Ward Radio.
Having watch Ward Radio for a while, it seems that in order to save time, there is some script/program/process that interjects them at certain intervals according to the programming of the tool. Not only this show, but others, I too have found the promo injections to be too often at the wrong time. I’m glad for the ward radio show, but this area (promo timing) needs to be addressed to take Ward Radio production values up a notch. I’ll still keep watching, but will celebrate when the promo timings are fixed. (Staff member, volunteer, etc.)
Thank you for being open and transparent on this topic. I would venture to say a lot of your listeners, and memebers of the church haven't heard of these finer details of what happened at Carthage jail. I have been accused of being anti Mormon talking with others about this. I even have a friend who served a mission there, and he doesn't believe me and says i am spreading lies. Thanks for this episode. I really enjoyed it.
Ward Radio! Awesome content! Man, do I love Brother Joseph. My Cousin and Myself are full-time gunsmiths. If you need any gun info, ballistic info, etc for the documentary study, we'd be glad to help.
Great idea to take a neutral position and let the facts fall where they may. Of course the Antis will look for ANY excuse to dismiss it if it doesn't say what they want.
My husband is from Quincy, IL. He has family that is from Carthage. I told him if any of his family from there needs work done we are going to Nauvoo to do it. We can use the excuse of visiting family. It feels right. Is there a list of who was in the mob. He is afraid to find out if his family was involved but he is interested to know.
I doubt your husband has ancestors who were in the lynch mob. There is a list of some of the suspected mob members in the book called Carthage Conspiracy by Dallin H. Oaks. I've done a little research on a handful of those members, and their descendants largely left Illinois for the West and then their family lines died out with very few living progeny.
Can you do an episode on the Lehi cave and the bedouins talking about a great prophet named Lehi being in a area near Jerusalem and the bedouins say he left?
can we please have an episode going over the punishments that the actual members of the mob went through after killing joseph, not just the civil war judgment, i heard that they went through horrible trials afterwards, yes?
Anyway you can do an episode of a follow up on He Walked The Americas and talk to Chief midegah about the words Echa Tah Echa Nah the great white chief of the Chigaraguan people. Hieroglyphics, pictographs, and petroglyphs dated back prior to 480 bc. I found this on the book Americas Coming Crisis by David n balmforth also talks about Itzla Chelan speaks of a sacred golden library of books
I've wondered if, because they were wrestlers, if Hyrum and Joseph weren't standing couched ready to start fighting as the men came through the door. This would explain Hyrum being shot in the face.
@@ChristIsMyRedeemer2024 You guys never give up, your whole conspiracy theory is just dumb. In the trial records an eyewitness said Joseph was still alive when he hit the ground. Also there are too many bullets flying around, both Richards and Joseph would have had to reload. Plus the wound described by Taylor's attending physician was the size of his fist, way to big for Joseph's little pea shooter to have made. And your evil theory does not account for the bullet wholes in the walls and window frame seen by numerous people years later.
@@WARDRADIO Who is the father of all lies? It appears at least from what I'm seeing the offensive post is gone. I'm sorry I just get frustrated with people who teach this garbage. They mock the martyrdom of Joseph and Hyrum.
A couple notes that seem a bit off. 1) It should be CSI: Carthage, not NCIS. NCIS is the Naval Criminal Investigation Squad. CSI is Crime Scene Investigations. Unless one of the mob or one of the victims was a member of the Navy, NCIS would not be involved. 2) The death of Joseph Smith, Jr, was in 1844, a presidential election year. 1845 would have been the year the winner of the presidential race was inaugurated. That can be important for proper investigation of a crime scene because weather varies from year to year. Still, if that's all that's wrong, good stuff.
I had a thought that the jail keeper may have intentionally moved them to the upper room with the door that didn’t lock. Thus conspiring with the mob. ???
And allowed them to keep pocket knives to work on the door and two guns? The guy who passed the note and the Carthage Greys (local militia/police) and the mob all were led. But the Jailor... that was a sucky day for him either way.
Fascinating... at 28:20 you can see one of the caps on an unused cylinder falling out as a result of firing the first round. Definitely not the most reliable engineering!
Luke took me out with his comment about the antis making a documentary about the weird Mormon doctrine that says you can’t get murdered in your garments😂😂
@@heidimills2226 Yeah, but my point is that I just give reactions like “wow, that’s cool”. There is nothing inspiring or even useful with giving sup a general response.
HEAR THE TRUTH, a person need only come DIRECTLY to Jesus with all their heart and mind and soul, to behold HIS LOVE poured out on the cross to atone for ALL of your sins, and then rise from the dead as your helper and defender, as your one and ONLY LORD GOD! John 14:6, Be washed clean! Hear the voice of Jesus in the Gospel of John!!! (no cult temples required, no treadmill obedience to phoney bishops, needed)
I hope you make certain that your results match the Church's narrative. Otherwise you might get excommunicated like the last guy that analyzed the forensics.
There is no way Joseph could get 3 shots off through the door with it taking so long to reload the gun caps without someone shooting him there at the door!
regarding the stupid comment he made around 56:00 about theories, in the end he will present a theory. Unless you have clear multi angle video of an actual event, there is no such thing as "how it really happened."
Not trying to be negative, but for a guy planning on going strictly where the facts or evidence leads, he sure has a lot of predetermined opinions. He said "we know" a lot about very controversial points. It will be interesting to see how well the investigator does at being unbiased at strictly following the evidence. This will determine how much credibility this documentary will have, especially to wkjs people.
I am John Taylor's 5th-great grandson, from his marriage to Leonora Cannon, and I'm constantly thankful that he survived the events of that day in Carthage, because now I'm here😆
Pretty sure John Taylor's watch had the bullet embedded in it... not smashed from falling on it. The bullet is still there.
@@tuvoca825Did you mean to say that as a separate comment? It doesn’t seem relevant to the comment from the 5th-great-grandson.
It has already been proven that the watch was not shot by a rifle or a pistol. If it had been it would be completely destroyed. At best it looks like it was hit by a BB.
When I visited Carthage a few years ago, my guide told me a story from an eye witnesses diary. The witness said that the mob grabbed the head of our beloved Joseph with the intent to smite off his head, and at the moment he raised his weapon he was struck by lightning. This is the reason why no one touched him afterwards and his body was preserved. Not for lack of trying but because God didn't allow it.
I never heard this before. Thanks for sharing.
I believe it was John Taylor that baptized my great-grandfather in England. I'm grateful that he lived.
Enjoying my Ward Radio Shirt!
I'm going to Nauvoo and Carthage on the 10th‐13th. This episode brings new thought to my trip.
send us a video on discord or via email in a ward radio shirt and we will put it up on a livestream!
@@WARDRADIO bet!
Cardon, please put up your full-screen promos over dialogue, not over the slides from the presentations. The guy says "Here we see" whatever, but we don't see it because you cover it with a full- screen promo for Ward Radio.
Having watch Ward Radio for a while, it seems that in order to save time, there is some script/program/process that interjects them at certain intervals according to the programming of the tool.
Not only this show, but others, I too have found the promo injections to be too often at the wrong time. I’m glad for the ward radio show, but this area (promo timing) needs to be addressed to take Ward Radio production values up a notch. I’ll still keep watching, but will celebrate when the promo timings are fixed. (Staff member, volunteer, etc.)
Thank you for being open and transparent on this topic. I would venture to say a lot of your listeners, and memebers of the church haven't heard of these finer details of what happened at Carthage jail. I have been accused of being anti Mormon talking with others about this. I even have a friend who served a mission there, and he doesn't believe me and says i am spreading lies.
Thanks for this episode. I really enjoyed it.
Ward Radio! Awesome content! Man, do I love Brother Joseph.
My Cousin and Myself are full-time gunsmiths. If you need any gun info, ballistic info, etc for the documentary study, we'd be glad to help.
Oooo!! Yes!! That would be awesome!!
reach out on the website.... do you do historic guns?
@@WARDRADIO All guns, all the time!
Great idea to take a neutral position and let the facts fall where they may. Of course the Antis will look for ANY excuse to dismiss it if it doesn't say what they want.
The documented sounds like a cool idea!
My husband is from Quincy, IL. He has family that is from Carthage. I told him if any of his family from there needs work done we are going to Nauvoo to do it. We can use the excuse of visiting family. It feels right. Is there a list of who was in the mob. He is afraid to find out if his family was involved but he is interested to know.
I doubt your husband has ancestors who were in the lynch mob. There is a list of some of the suspected mob members in the book called Carthage Conspiracy by Dallin H. Oaks. I've done a little research on a handful of those members, and their descendants largely left Illinois for the West and then their family lines died out with very few living progeny.
It seems that Elder Oaks is the expert on those who were actually tried the next year. There should be lots of data in the trial transcripts.
@@laurabeauchamp1215my institute teacher recommended Elder Oaks’ book and said there is a list in there. When I get paid I’m going to order it.
Even if he is, think of the redemption that he’s brought and is bringing to his family by his choices now.
Gonna listen to this on my way home from work
Can you do an episode on the Lehi cave and the bedouins talking about a great prophet named Lehi being in a area near Jerusalem and the bedouins say he left?
can we please have an episode going over the punishments that the actual members of the mob went through after killing joseph, not just the civil war judgment, i heard that they went through horrible trials afterwards, yes?
Anyway you can do an episode of a follow up on He Walked The Americas and talk to Chief midegah about the words Echa Tah Echa Nah the great white chief of the Chigaraguan people. Hieroglyphics, pictographs, and petroglyphs dated back prior to 480 bc. I found this on the book Americas Coming Crisis by David n balmforth also talks about Itzla Chelan speaks of a sacred golden library of books
Cardon, Mark "Gibbs" Harmon was a quarterback for UCLA. That's why you got some great 50 yrd bombs!
He knows.
I've wondered if, because they were wrestlers, if Hyrum and Joseph weren't standing couched ready to start fighting as the men came through the door. This would explain Hyrum being shot in the face.
Good point. 🤔
@@ChristIsMyRedeemer2024
You guys never give up, your whole conspiracy theory is just dumb.
In the trial records an eyewitness said Joseph was still alive when he hit the ground.
Also there are too many bullets flying around, both Richards and Joseph would have had to reload.
Plus the wound described by Taylor's attending physician was the size of his fist, way to big for Joseph's little pea shooter to have made.
And your evil theory does not account for the bullet wholes in the walls and window frame seen by numerous people years later.
"evil theory?".... well that escalated quickly....
@@WARDRADIO
Who is the father of all lies?
It appears at least from what I'm seeing the offensive post is gone.
I'm sorry I just get frustrated with people who teach this garbage. They mock the martyrdom of Joseph and Hyrum.
Did they fire from the stairs too?
Millions shall know Bro
ther Joseph again
AWESOME
Neat
Anyway you can invite Michael B. rush to talk about our current president election and Ezra's 🦅?
I WOULD LOVE TO WATCH THIS EPISODE!!!! A fellow Ezra’s Eagle peep?! I’m here for it!!
@danicastaneda20 so much evidences for a lot of stuff out there.
A couple notes that seem a bit off.
1) It should be CSI: Carthage, not NCIS. NCIS is the Naval Criminal Investigation Squad. CSI is Crime Scene Investigations. Unless one of the mob or one of the victims was a member of the Navy, NCIS would not be involved.
2) The death of Joseph Smith, Jr, was in 1844, a presidential election year. 1845 would have been the year the winner of the presidential race was inaugurated. That can be important for proper investigation of a crime scene because weather varies from year to year.
Still, if that's all that's wrong, good stuff.
I had a thought that the jail keeper may have intentionally moved them to the upper room with the door that didn’t lock. Thus conspiring with the mob. ???
And allowed them to keep pocket knives to work on the door and two guns? The guy who passed the note and the Carthage Greys (local militia/police) and the mob all were led. But the Jailor... that was a sucky day for him either way.
Gibbs (Mark Harmon) was QB for UCLA.
You want to know what Joseph Smith looked like, see his grandson Israel Alexander Smith.
Fascinating... at 28:20 you can see one of the caps on an unused cylinder falling out as a result of firing the first round. Definitely not the most reliable engineering!
10s is crazy
Luke took me out with his comment about the antis making a documentary about the weird Mormon doctrine that says you can’t get murdered in your garments😂😂
If you need an editor for the documentary, I’m very interested!
whats your experience, bro?
@@WARDRADIOI’ve edited documentaries, short films, commercials, podcasts. I’ve been doing this professionally for over 5 years.
Mark Harmon?
From the forensic show, NCIS.❤❤❤
Can't even get the year right? 1844
You're right, Dan. We don't even know the year. That's too advanced for us. We're just pious fools, after all. Thanks for your input.
Go preach to Hindus
I appreciate and thank you for your research and information. Can we let go of the "woke" jokes?
I feel like an NPC
Are you sure your not
No
Haha lol
Feeling like you might be one is proof you are not one. NPC’s don’t even consider that they could be NPC’s.
@@heidimills2226 Yeah, but my point is that I just give reactions like “wow, that’s cool”. There is nothing inspiring or even useful with giving sup a general response.
Wow that's not the standard story I heard lol 47:00
Does Brother Tracy have an X handle, IG, anything like that?
I think I might have a picture of Joseph Smith Jr.
How do I get it looked at to determine if it is or not.
Help
Thank you lots.
He should have Justin Griffin tag along since he has already done so much research and could help with questions and comments!!!
HEAR THE TRUTH, a person need only come DIRECTLY to Jesus with all their heart and mind and soul, to behold HIS LOVE poured out on the cross to atone for ALL of your sins, and then rise from the dead as your helper and defender, as your one and ONLY LORD GOD! John 14:6, Be washed clean! Hear the voice of Jesus in the Gospel of John!!! (no cult temples required, no treadmill obedience to phoney bishops, needed)
Trying to make up for some weaknesses? Sins? Addictions?
@@wes2176 I forgive you.
I don't appreciate you having this liar on here. He was caught faking the death mask evidence and he has never apologized
Please elaborate.
I hope you make certain that your results match the Church's narrative. Otherwise you might get excommunicated like the last guy that analyzed the forensics.
There is no way Joseph could get 3 shots off through the door with it taking so long to reload the gun caps without someone shooting him there at the door!
It was a revolver.
The pocketwatch... still has the slug in it. Right?
Lol
Mark Harmon (Gibbs) was a former football player😊
regarding the stupid comment he made around 56:00 about theories, in the end he will present a theory. Unless you have clear multi angle video of an actual event, there is no such thing as "how it really happened."
Not trying to be negative, but for a guy planning on going strictly where the facts or evidence leads, he sure has a lot of predetermined opinions. He said "we know" a lot about very controversial points. It will be interesting to see how well the investigator does at being unbiased at strictly following the evidence. This will determine how much credibility this documentary will have, especially to wkjs people.