I just watched The Vow. The stress and heartbreak that Catherine endured and the lengths she went to to bring down this cult and save her daughter are incredible. That's a mother's love.
You watched the wrong thing. That was a grasp at fame and relevance for all failed actors involved. They knew everything going on and this was there attempt to exonerate them self from guilt and turn on others. While seeking 15 more minutes. They were trafficking people and provided him with kids and women. They chose to participate not brainwashed. They also got paid. So they needed a way out.
I’m so very proud of her mother. A mother’s love is the strongest indication of devotion. I’m so proud of India and her growth. More people need to know about these cults! They’re everywhere. And they’re someone’s daughter. 🥰
This whole story is so captivating and frightening. Thankful she saw the light and got out. They say that Keith is the most dangerous cult leader they’ve seen.
Just saw both docs (The Vow and Seduced) and I have to say that Catherine is the best mom one could have. She never gave up even when there was basically no hope that she'd leave at all.
I'm a veteran so I hear her say stuff about indoctrination, sleep deprivation periods without food, a rigorous lifestyle, control of your schedule, ranks, special rituals... Hey that sounds familiar. I think he might have researched military methods of indoctrination for his cult.
@@Btyler48 what part is silly? Are you trying to say that the military doesn't use indoctrination tactics? That's literally how you make good soldiers. Was it the part where a veteran said wow this reminds me of my own life experiences? The only silly thing here is you...
I watched the documentary "Seduced" and i must say that Catherine is a badass hero. India, on the other hand, sounds and looks like such a morom that she's hardly believable. She "doesn't know" or "doesn't understand" what is going on, even at 25. Yet, on this show, she seems very articulate.
Catherine , you are a very brave and self-sacrificing woman, just like your mother, Princess Jelisaveta from Serbia. I admire your courage in rescuing your beautiful daughter Indija from the hands of mobsters and liars! Great respect to you also princess Catherine from Serbia!Greetings from Europe from the Balkan lands !
Imagine how messed up it would have been if someone dressed as Superman jumped out of the box during the middle of the interview to give them a fright.
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It’s sad no matter how wealthy or educated people are, they always believe in hero-worshiping or some beings that can lead them onto some heaven. Piped piper is evil, but there’re always blind, mindless child- like persons that are willing to jump into that precipices that makes the case appalling to sensible human beings!
This kind of judgement keeps people in cults trying to prove these views wrong and prove that they are truly achieving their goal. It hurts and does not help.
…not sure of who can answer this…or of any where else to ask it….but they all felt they were humanitarians and doing good things for the world…but where did all of the money go? Was anything actually done to help anyone? Aside from the ‘self-help’ aspect. Was that the good that everyone thought they were doing??
Because she is a victim she doesn't realize this not until her mother came into the scene and help her. Victims are vulnerable......but what you said is funny hahahaha the contradiction. Hahahahaha
This is nuts. These two are both nuts in their own right. You have this girl who was brainwashed and she hooked up with this guy, and you put a big giant photo of him right behind her? You'd think any photo of this guy would put her into a frenzy? This is too much. She just left before he got arrested. She's doing this for money....
The Vow on HBO Max is also excellent and very different. an insiders view from the perspective of NXIVM members when they started opening their eyes to who and what Raniere really was. RE: Allison Mack. If you look closely at the "brand" you can see her initials just as clearly as Raniere's. She got off BIG time yesterday by only getting a 3 year sentence. I understand she was a victim of Raniere's as well but she victimized a LARGE number of women, herself.
I just watched The Vow. The stress and heartbreak that Catherine endured and the lengths she went to to bring down this cult and save her daughter are incredible. That's a mother's love.
You watched the wrong thing.
That was a grasp at fame and relevance for all failed actors involved. They knew everything going on and this was there attempt to exonerate them self from guilt and turn on others. While seeking 15 more minutes. They were trafficking people and provided him with kids and women. They chose to participate not brainwashed. They also got paid. So they needed a way out.
What’s that documentary called?
@@tedlonge8322 😳
I also think about the parents with no resources to fight back. Imagine how they must have felt, being so powerless to help their loved ones.
Thank GOD.
I’m so very proud of her mother. A mother’s love is the strongest indication of devotion. I’m so proud of India and her growth. More people need to know about these cults! They’re everywhere. And they’re someone’s daughter. 🥰
This whole story is so captivating and frightening. Thankful she saw the light and got out. They say that Keith is the most dangerous cult leader they’ve seen.
No it isn't captivating.
Things can be captivating not because it’s intriguing but because it’s a call to awareness
@@sherilynridgeway8984 thank you!
I thought she left AFTER Keith was arrested. Im confused about how she got out??
@@justme240 I believe she left just days before he was arrested down in Mexico.
Just saw both docs (The Vow and Seduced) and I have to say that Catherine is the best mom one could have. She never gave up even when there was basically no hope that she'd leave at all.
Where can I watch seduced?
@@henrymagdaleno3893 I streamed it through Starz. It's an add on to other streaming services.I did a trial subscription on prime video
Ikr
I can't believe I'm just now hearing about this. He was arrested 2 years ago!!!!
Your "just now hearing this"? Really?
Well he’s a narcissist so he doesn’t really deserve fame.
@@snakemasterbaka He is a criminal
West coast elites buried this story because it’s the NORM. Godless scumbags who are poisoning this country.
@@user-vm1rr6gx9v this cult was hqed in the east
Thanks for coming out and sharing this story! Thank you to Ellen and her ladies💕👍
I'm a veteran so I hear her say stuff about indoctrination, sleep deprivation periods without food, a rigorous lifestyle, control of your schedule, ranks, special rituals... Hey that sounds familiar. I think he might have researched military methods of indoctrination for his cult.
Silly comparison.
@@Btyler48 what part is silly? Are you trying to say that the military doesn't use indoctrination tactics? That's literally how you make good soldiers. Was it the part where a veteran said wow this reminds me of my own life experiences? The only silly thing here is you...
Weak man
because the army IS basically a cult. duh
India seems like such a sweet person, her and all of his victims are in my prayers 🙏🏽❤️
She should been in jail.
@@GG-kn2se LOL, praying to another cult..
So sweet 🤔???? She was a Recruiter
I’m not a fan of Ellen, but she handled this interview well
I am a fan of Ellen and she handled this interview well
Uhhh no she didn’t she was so rude
The only thing that shocked me was that she was her mother. They looked like sisters.
royal genes
I watched the documentary "Seduced" and i must say that Catherine is a badass hero. India, on the other hand, sounds and looks like such a morom that she's hardly believable. She "doesn't know" or "doesn't understand" what is going on, even at 25. Yet, on this show, she seems very articulate.
I won't be surprised if Ellen herself is part of something similar to NXIVM. She already has the fan following for it
She works for the government.. Like an agent that can guide or direct a mass of audience towards specific views
Thanks for coming out and telling this story and thank you Ellen too
Thank god catherine got her daughter india out. This organisation was brainwashing woman the leader deseve his time in jail
I just don’t understand how they don’t see red flags earlier on.
Yip i think they dont want to admit it
Catherine , you are a very brave and self-sacrificing woman, just like your mother, Princess Jelisaveta from Serbia. I admire your courage in rescuing your beautiful daughter Indija from the hands of mobsters and liars! Great respect to you also princess Catherine from Serbia!Greetings from Europe from the Balkan lands !
Catherines mom is not from Serbia
@@susannugent6136 she is
Imagine how messed up it would have been if someone dressed as Superman jumped out of the box during the middle of the interview to give them a fright.
LOL
Top notch mother! Sad that many mothers dont have her clout or resources in similar situations though. :(
@johndoe This point 👉 🙌🏾💯
The daughters initial response to her mom about leaving is eerily the same as Michael Pena’s on Scientology
all cults use the same cult plan
I’m glad that you mum(Catherine)💕care about you,India to help you out the cult♥️♥️♥️
I thought Nexium was a hair treatment and of course it is spelled slightly different. I am so delighted your mother Catherine Oxenberg rescued India.
I wanna see the Ellen cult documentary
I just remember Catherine plays character as Amanda in 1980s Dynasty Drama Series...She is so young and beautiful!
There are several documentaries, The Vow on HBO, India’s called Seduced on Starz and the ID channel has done a show as well.
Everyone who's reading this,,,,,,,
May your family 👨👩👧👨👩👧👦 live and strong 💪 more than 100 year's with good health💝💋❤️
Very insightful and entertaining series.
There’s a deeper story here, the reasons people can be manipulated has much to do with their upbringing
Ellen's half smile expression when the girl said " If you question then you get punished"...was creepy.
For real
Your comment is creepy, that's what you got from the interview?
Ellen is kinda creepy in general I really dislike her and get a really bitter taste In my gut just watching her.
She like to humiliate her audience playing games and getting canceled for being cruel to her staff. She is saccharine sweet. Fake.
She’s been tied to Epstein trafficking many times but idk how much is conspiracy
Yo shout to Ellen for talking about this when her audience seems to have no overlap
Amazing Mother.
My thoughts exactly!!
I will like this show even more if she starts to mix things like this in it!
Ew....
@@sugaring3921 yes you are. But it’s ok.
That's the Oprah formula
OMG! I heard abt this on the news!!! the guy got arrested the other week
he got sentenced to like 125 yrs
I heard abt Ellen too on the news other day!!
Inidan is guilty too, she had slaves. good grief
OMG!
I don’t think she was part of recruiting slaves. Allison Mack? Yes.
@@WendieMorgan yes she did, two
@@WendieMorgan Allison is more genuine
Well done Catherine...what a fabulous mother you are ..
Seduced is excellent. I still want to see The Vow.
So glad they changed the Epstein island background for this story. India is lucky to have a mother like Catherine 💕
Yup
I noticed that, too
I’m can’t believe I was locked up with one of the people charged in this case
Hello I texted you earlier about where I can git thoes chairs on the show the white ones I need to know what make they are and who sells them I need a chair and a loveseat for my theater room I have I love the style of them g mail me let me know where they bought them.. thanks
@Paula Dean oh ok do you know the name of them thanks I need to know what to look up
@Paula Dean I have the way fair app so all I need is the name of the chair...
It’s called Epstein Island edition 😂
What about the other victims from this? I'm sorry this happened to her, however India Oxenberg wasnt the only victim.
Maybe she is the only one willing to speak up about it 🤷🏾♀️
Several survivors have spoken. Watch the vow from HBO.
Didn't India recruit her own slaves too? That looks like jail time to me.
She got a deal bc she gave them the nail in the coffin with a recording of Keith ands Nicki and Ali
3:24 Ellen smiles when she says you get punished. Nothing is pleasant about physical abuse Ellen....Unless...
I love you ellen🖤❤️
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The host of this show seems verrry nervous.
Looks different doesn't look herself
I think since this topic is extremely serious. Her usual topics & guests are usually light hearted & funny.
That's because all celebrities are in on it
How many others did they recruit before they skipped? Are they really victims or co-conspirators?
If i was that judge and i could have gotten away with it i would have given him the death penalty
It’s sad no matter how wealthy or educated people are, they always believe in hero-worshiping or some beings that can lead them onto some heaven. Piped piper is evil, but there’re always blind, mindless child- like persons that are willing to jump into that precipices that makes the case appalling to sensible human beings!
This kind of judgement keeps people in cults trying to prove these views wrong and prove that they are truly achieving their goal. It hurts and does not help.
lovely ladies and glad they got out n hopefully will recover
Hello future people ♥️ I’m 17 seconds early
The irony in this segment..Ellen😑
…not sure of who can answer this…or of any where else to ask it….but they all felt they were humanitarians and doing good things for the world…but where did all of the money go?
Was anything actually done to help anyone? Aside from the ‘self-help’ aspect.
Was that the good that everyone thought they were doing??
Yes A Mothers Love is the Most Powerful Love on the Planet Next to the Love of God!
This woman isnt any Hero. She recruited more women years after she was branded and participated in these crimes. She should be in jail herself.
Yep
She said she only had good experiences yet describes 3:12
Because she is a victim she doesn't realize this not until her mother came into the scene and help her. Victims are vulnerable......but what you said is funny hahahaha the contradiction. Hahahahaha
@@hiraikyoto7064 she's a deceiver a Succubus of the Devil
u have two guest princess today Ellen, i love u Ellen so much
Beautiful ladies, glad she got out!
This is nuts. These two are both nuts in their own right. You have this girl who was brainwashed and she hooked up with this guy, and you put a big giant photo of him right behind her? You'd think any photo of this guy would put her into a frenzy? This is too much. She just left before he got arrested. She's doing this for money....
I LOVE the MOMMA BEARS! Ms. Catherine is a MOMMA BEAR!❤️
They are both so beautiful
Only 120 years?
Alison mack should be in jail for 20 years
As should India who also lured women into the cult!
She felt lied to because the branding meant something other than what they told her it meant.
ahem...yeah...okay...
Just shows how effective the program of brainwashing is
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The Vow on HBO Max is also excellent and very different. an insiders view from the perspective of NXIVM members when they started opening their eyes to who and what Raniere really was.
RE: Allison Mack. If you look closely at the "brand" you can see her initials just as clearly as Raniere's. She got off BIG time yesterday by only getting a 3 year sentence. I understand she was a victim of Raniere's as well but she victimized a LARGE number of women, herself.
India got off too because of her mommy's money. India recruited women into that cult and had her own slaves. So....
It was or IS a human trafficking ring. Not a cult
Many Cults traffic people, they are both.
India🇮🇳
Is Ms. Allison getting help? She needs help also. All the people in that group do.
Catherine, such a badass woman!
It's creepy to show huge images of him in the background like he's some kind of idol.
So those are "6 feet" distance between the couch girls?? 😠
Hope they live together! The vaccine's out!
They are mother & daughter & probably live together
I am living in her name "india".
Her name is my pride
Again and again...is this the seventies....
Keith & Ellen would make a great couple. Evil knows evil👿👿👿
Huh this interview is suspicious
What are you talking about?
Cashing in BIG time!
It has an off vibe.. Besides the subject matter
How ironic that Ellen De Epstein holds the interview.
takes one to know one.
...mom should have done her research.
7 yrs in these cult
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Hello
O M G 😟
dunt trust m*n
That's her real mother? They look nothing alike. Classy though.
You can’t be serious 🙄
It's a white washed kitchen
Everything but the kitchen sink
Here before 3 million views and at 4 views
Lol didn’t even hit 200k
Ellen😴
AM I FIRST
First
It's the mother's fault. How can you let your daughter fall into this..
Catherine Oxenberg's English accent is soooo fake. 🤣
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YO HONEY IT'S A GOOD THING YOUR MOTHER IS SO STRONG AND SMART THE SMART GUY IS JUST A HORN DOG 🐕
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