Catherine & India Oxenberg: Surviving NXIVM | PeopleTV
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- Three years ago People Magazine interviewed actress Catherine Oxenberg, a desperate mother who was fighting to save her daughter India from the now-notorious cult, NXIVM. In 2018, India finally left NXIVM and mother and daughter were reunited. Now Catherine and India are bravely sharing their story with this exclusive People interview, in advance of their upcoming four part documentary series, “Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult” which premieres on STARZ, October 18th.
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The mother impressed me a lot. She seems like a great person.
@@nikroy3544 Oversimplification to fit your beliefs 🙄 In reality there are MANY reasons & the most prevalent to being susceptible to cult indoctrination is not that, but in fact that people are at some turning point in their lives ;o)
One thing Keith didn’t count on when he created his cult plan....a mother’s love!
You should watch the different documentaries on HBO and Starz.. India is "acting" like a victim, when she literally only left because Keith was arrested.
@Nathan Cross you can read what i wrote above, i don't beat around the bush. She was not a victim until she was told she was. She purposely distances herself, using harshness and delusions of Righteousness.. I'm a victim of physical, mental, and sexual abuse starting at age 7 by my own moms dad, my mom knew he was abusive and remained complacent just so we had a place to live. That's what a Victim is, Not an Adult throwing her personal relationship away with her family in order to Shine in Her own light, she never asked for help, in fact she continued to shut her mother down everytime she tried to "Rescue" her. She never felt like she was a hostage nor a victim of any crime until Keith got arrested. She had no where to go, but home to her mom. I am a strong married mentally healthy adult who doesn't Allow Anyone to Cover up the Truth about abusers and abuse.
and india got girls to the cult and mark them aswell, so is india going get punnished aswell? hope so.
It was Catherine who introduced her daughter to the cult if i am not mistaken
Absolutely! I love that a mother took down this cult. When you carry a baby inside you for nine months a bond is created that is stronger than anything you will ever have, even stronger than with your spouse and you know you would literally die for that child if need be.
India is very well spoken
Catherine did a great job - what a mama! Everyone should be that strong against evil
Well spoken and, yet, VERY, very stupid and gullible. That comes from her mommy as well.
She's 29. She's not better spoken than she should be as a person with studies and means.
Yes she's well spoken, that's why she was able to recruit her own slaves.
@@ceetheninja1 Truth.
Sounds exactly like addiction. When she said u don’t know what it’s like to lose your life but still be here. I felt that to my core
Yep! And there's another insidious addiction capturing teen girls and young women right now. The transgender addiction. We need more people to see that our females are being seduced into having their healthy body parts removed or reconstructed in the name of a new woke cult that's captured a huge portion of our society. It's disgusting and alarming!
I'm so glad Catherine got her daughter out of that awful sex cult. She deserves an award for her persistence and bravery. Also glad India opened her eyes and saw it for what it really was.
@@nikroy3544
You seem overly invested in pushing your flawed oversimplification to fit your beliefs 🙄 In reality there are MANY reasons & the most prevalent to being susceptible to cult indoctrination is not that, but in fact that people are at some turning point in their lives ;o)
So happy India found her voice. She is as well-spoken as her mother, but she comes across candid and real as fuck. I think she’s genuine.
Yes I have not heard her for a few years and what a change. India is so "normal" again which is lovely to see. KR seemed to make people prisoners in their mind.
I am so happy to see her on the other side and doing well. She is so well spoken. Thank you India for sharing your story. Go on and live your life excellently! :)
@@nikroy3544 Wow you really are desperate to push your flawed oversimplification to fit your beliefs smh. In reality there are MANY reasons, & the most prevalent to being susceptible to cult indoctrination is not that, but in fact that people are at some turning point in their lives ;o)
Fanatical copy/paste replies only serves to prove your obsession to push this false narrative 🙄
That is what being a mother is. She is extremely lucky that she has a mother that never gave up on her.
I think Catherine Oxenberg has finally found her purpose in life. Glad things have worked out well. It could have been so much worse. Also love her comment about 'self-acceptance' and how the so called 'self-help' industry is worth $11bn a year. Scary!!!
India may have found her purpose, too ...run if you hear "self empowered", God powered only✝️🙏
@@erinaktas3787 yeah give your money to churches instead which don’t pay taxes
I do not give money or attend a specific church...I do not think they should be tax exempt?! Paying for private school, etc and medical essentials should⁉️
@@erinaktas3787 huh? what do you mean by ?! and !?
are you criticizing that people have to pay for medical essentials? I disagree with that too, good thing i’m not from the usa but from a country where education and healthcare is a human right
@@nikroy3544
Your copy/paste of your flawed oversimplification only serves to prove it is to fit your obsessive beliefs 🙄 In reality there are MANY reasons & the most prevalent to being susceptible to cult indoctrination is not that, but in fact that people are at some turning point in their lives ;o)
I’ve been watching The Vow and this whole thing is nuts.
I know right?
Same 👀✌🏾
Same. Keith is a disgusting human
I live in the Capital Region of Upstate NY, and was pretty shocked to read the news about this last Summer in 2019 about how this organization was able to thrive and this man was able to get away with it for so long. I watched the entire series and finished it up, and I can tell you after watching all 9 parts, you feel like and glad you never were involved in this organization. The hq on New Karner Road was near the training center where I took my CNA courses and so I would walk by the offices many times over 10 years ago. His other office by Fred The Butcher I drove by on my way to work many times over a few years back while they were in operation. His lairs were nearby where my wife's friends lived in Clifton Park. I remember the big news in my area where the Dalai Lama visited the Palace Theater nearby where I lived 20 minutes from there by car back in 2009. Yeah for me its a big deal, because so many famous people got sucked up into this including a couple of Billionaire heiresses, and then a celebrity to run a sex ring. We have private small businesses that I seen at job fairs like the Times Union one that would be a similiar business model and pyramid scheme. I was positive at one time at one of these fairs at the Marriot back in the late 1990s or 2000s, these guys had a booth, and a gal that looked and resembled Nancy Saltzman, would be there to recruit. I am not positive, but I do remember a woman looking like her. Then there be another time sometime in the 2000s when shopping at the mall of Crossgates, crossing paths with this guy who was shorter than me that looked exactly like the founder, glasses, Joel Higgins the actor from Silver Spoons, haircut type walking by me with some nicely dressed people. Just happy to see that the man got caught, the people were able to get the evidence together and shut down the organization completely. Now that its been in the news, I plan to drive by and see these places for what they are just to get a couple pictures of the history before I move on and go about my daily life. Glad India reunited with her mom. Wish them well.
@@mrsBurchett22 the scary thing is that he attended the same college as my close friends and is alumni from RPI, a college nearby where my parents live. Glad he will be spending his remaining life behind bars and hopefully they send him away to a Supermax.
Yeeeeessss!!!! Just finished watching 'The Vow', I'm so happy you amazing, kind souls saved her, God bless you Catherine, Mark, Bonnie, Susan and everyone involved in pursuing and achieving justice, may you be protected and adored for the wonderful and hopeful people you've chosen to be, God bless 🌻🍀
And Sarah
Omg... this just popped up in my feed. I’m so happy the two of you are back together. 🙏🏻♥️🙏🏻
I never understood how normal healthy, educated, smart people could fall into something like a cult. Until, I started watching a couple different documentories about this one and finally understood how it's possible. It really opened my eyes to how vulnerable we can be to some predators. I'm glad they got out & the leaders are being prosecuted.
Around 7:00 as she talks about how crazy it all is to have gained something from this... You gained a lot from the experience that many won't. I'm in no way comparing my situation to this, but I went threw a brutal first marriage. Narcissistic, controlling, and yet I kept fighting to stay in it to try and make her happy and for the kids. When I finally broke free and left, looking back it was absolutely insane I stayed so long, but that's the environment a narcissistic person creates. That was years ago, I'm remarried, and I can say without a doubt, without that experience I wouldn't quite be the man I am today. I don't take anything for granted and am a better husband because of it. It's these experiences that mold us into better people.
There is a unique strength and beauty to those who have gone through cults or abusive relationships, survived, battled, won and found themselves again. 💙
Don't trust people who are grandiose and manipulative. Walk away fast. TRUST your instincts and if someone tells you not to trust your instincts then know you can not trust them. There are many, many avenues for self improvement and self-reflection that are not predatory, that are healthy and have boundaries, and support you maintaining your dignity and independence.
YYYAAASSS!!!!!!!! So happy to see that India got out and is growing!!!! The way The Vow ended was such a cliff hanger!!
She was fighting for her daughter. Good to hear they reconnected
It was Catherine who introduced her daughter to the cult if i am not mistaken.
@@THEREALZENFORCE yep. When it was posing as some self help seminar. Not like they had a sign outside that said "Deranged sex cult here"
What a beautiful and articulate woman India is. I have followed this story closely and I have been so impressed with Catherine’s determination and strength. As a mother myself I know only too well that core feeling of wanting to protect my child above all else. I can only imagine the hell she has endured.
I couldn’t be happier to see both women together, safe & ready to embark on the next phase of life. I hope we see India’s name in lights as an accomplished producer in the future. I wish you and your family nothing but the very best. Sending Love & Joy from Great Britain ♥️💪🏻🙌🏻🌞🌚🌍
Yes all that class, white and female privilege and she turned out to be so articulate :/ Yet such a "victim" of her own bad choices and agency. Some people never learn.
Catherine is right, self acceptance, support in any devastating circumstance is important and there is a way out, thank you for the hope in a dreadful situation that you can have love and there are possibilities
The whole time I was watching the vow I could not imagine if that was my daughter.....I am so glad she got away and the people who participated in the horrible acts will be prosecuted.
Great interview. Wonderful to see the honesty by India and the strength /support of Catherine
A Mother’s Love 💗 is extraordinarily powerful🤩🤩🤩! Thank God & #CatherineOxenberg for saving #IndiaOxenberg🤩💗!
So glad you are reunited and strongly bonded as a family. All of us can recover from mistakes and painful situations in life. With love and support we can start over, and turn around from whatever path we are on if we need to. Thank God that your story has a happy ending and more blessings are coming.
It is heartbreaking to hear India trying to explain the why’s, you are a survivor India and your Mom is one determined badass wishing you both the best
Both are incredibly brave women. Grateful for the example of this kind of strength.
What about all the girls that have died or disappeared??
Way to go Mama Bear, nothing stronger than a mother fighting for her kid! India, I am SO happy you are out of the part of your life, great lessons learned, and stronger woman emerged. You ARE embraced and best revenge is living your best self!!!! YEA!!
India, if you are reading these comments: I met you and your mother decades ago because we were talking about opening a spa together. I will never forget how much she loved you as you ran around with your beautiful mop of blond hair. I am SO HAPPY you have each other again. She never, ever gave up on you. xoxo
So glad she’s doing well and in REAL love!
You are a true hero Katherine & a very inspirational human being. God bless you and your family ❤️🙏🏻
🌻 I've watched this twice now...with months in between and I think I've left multiple comments!
What a beautifully spoken woman India is. Reminds me of Elizabeth Smart and how she turned her torture into an empowering voice!
But again, tonight Im most struck by the connection between these two. .Mom and Daughter.
Aching for my own I guess and a lil jealous. 😥
Still, marveling in the Beauty of what is here. Its Powerful. Whew!
My mom completed suicide. This mom had the fight.
And although those sound very different..
With healing,
I recognize that both stories are more about learned lessons than circumstances or outcomes.
Trauma I believe is always present to teach us something about ourselves if we are paying attention.
Gratitude. 🌻
What makes this story so intrigueing is the fact that I have lived in Albany, NY since the mid to late 1980s, and Keith Raniere graduated RPI ( the same college my close friends graduated from in the late 1990s near where my parents live.) and ran NXIVM the last 20 years while I have lived here and all that time able to get away with it while the authorities were'nt doing anything. The ESP building on New Karner Rd was right by where I took my CNA classes back in 2010. The other HQ was located by Fred the Butcher shop on RT9 in Clifton Park, I passed by there many times over in 2000s and 2010s before the feds came in and shut the entire operation down. Keith's lairs where he did all the sex trafficking with his master mind cult ringleader Allison Mack, both their addresses are nearby where my wife's friends lived by a mile away. Even in 2017 when I visited I once drove thru that part to find our friend's houses, very nice and calming quiet neighborhood, so I could see why Keith and Allison would chose this neighborhood, so no one would be suspicious. What makes these people dangerous was the fact he looked like an ordinary joe a amateur version of Scientology, but in the end, he managed to dupe the smartest and most talented people and brainwash them into financing his operation and using women who were fragile and insecure with themselves who were smart and articulate to brainwash them for his pleasure. Glad Catherine and India got out of it, and many others fought back and brought this evil man down and his organization. Hopefully with his sentencing on October 25th,2020 he will be put up for life imprisonment and sent away to a Supermax prison for the rest of his life and his loyal followers that are still out they get prosecuted and do some jail time. I know for his lover Allison, her career as an actress is all but over and I hope she gets at least 20-30 years in a prison minimum and no chance of parole till she served 20 Years. Then have to pay restitution and fines. I am sure I probally at one time crossed paths with this guy at a mall or a job fair, along with his lieutenants Nancy Saltzman, and I am sure if I did back in the 1990s, since I did sales in a pyramid scheme one time after I woke up and realized I gotten taken advantage of and left, I can see how easily manipulated it can happen to anybody. Glad I found out about this and will make sure to share this story with as many people I know, so I can educate and warn them about cults how easily it can happen to anybody and anywhere, if they let their guards down and feel insecure with themselves. Stay safe everybody and god bless.
I'm so happy they're doing so well
Great interview with great women. Thank you👏👏👏👏👏
appreciate the candidness
Brave girl ! Wishing you loths of love and happiness in your life
I don’t get STARZ but I have read Catherine’s book, followed info on cult for years. I hope someone on YT puts it out so I can see it.
That is really wonderful. I am so pleased for them both., My sibling was in a cult for a while a long while back and just keeping at lease some contact with them is very important. Never say - do not darken my door until you are out. India kept contact and also did a wonderful job in taking down KR. Women are safer for her having done that. I would also die for my 5 children. Nothing comes above them even though they are almost adults. We are like fierce tigers in protecting our young.
That's so true. It's hard to see someone you love being succeed into something you know is bad. It could be a person or a group. What you said is so important. You have to keep them close so when they are ready they have you to turn to.
I’ m proud of your mother Catherine)what she did for you India. 🥰Now your together❤️.I’m glad you found real love😍
I'm so glad you got your daughter out. Strong and good momma.
Yeah, 'good mamma' that got her daughter involved in a couple of cults...
India seems to have healed without scars. Emotionally
God bless you mom and daughter.... prayers always...
Yes, yes, yes you do have a chance at a beautiful life...God Bless you on overcoming this hurdle😘
The experience may have hurt, but you WILL be stronger because of your pain. What an amazing Mom, who truly LOVES you...that is where you came from, a miracle to a mom 💕🙏✝️🌄
Mother's love is most strong💞💞💞💞💞
Yeah, that join-a-couple-of-cults love is REAL strong. :/
I remember Catherine desperately fighting for her daughter. I would do the same. It's a nightmare and I would never stop until I got her or I killed those people and set her free to recover without them brainwashing her. I'd pay the price whatever it is!
I'm glad Catherine got India out of the cult. Just watched the lifetime movie! There are more cults still in operation, even those we don't know about. God bless you Catherine and India❤
Just watched the NXIVM documentary, it took 4 hours for the jury, it took 7 years for India talk about stupidity !!!! Bless your heart girl !!
You are both so Brave, God Bless you Both!
I just finished watching The Vow and wanted to find out how India is doing - she’s engaged to a nice guy 🥰👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Cults are dangerous no matter what disguise they wear. I believe every word you said. God loves you the most and HE drove your mom to get you back feel BLESSED!
I hope they will continue using their new platform. They are amazing & brave.
It was not about how intelligent he was it was more about finding ppl who were lost and broken even a little bit so that they can hold onto hope from the cult.
It's not fair to label them as "broken", they were in valnerabl positions in their life.
We all have the right to be vulnerable at times in life and to not be preyed on by predators. The manipulation was intense, few people would hold up against it, they were using hypnotic techniques and almost every kind of mind control there is.
Cults are like an abusive marriage. I was in both an abusive marriage and an abusive cult. Glad she is out and free and happy. Mind control is horrible.
I was in an emotionally abusive marriage to a narcissist who studied NLP and gaslighted me for years. Watching the Vow and Ireland's story really resonates with my experience even though I wasn't in a cult. I've likened it to an addiction. Ireland sounds like she had an incredible therapist/deprogrammer (and support system with her mom), to have such an articulate understanding of the experience. I've been out for over a decade and it's still hard to put my story into words.
Desde México les envío mi solidaridad. Que vergüenza que el Hijo de un expresidente les haya hecho tanto daño el mismo que su padre nos hizo a millones de mexicanos y su generación. Mucha luz y la justicia prevalezca 🇲🇽❤️
I just watched the vow and am so happy India is out of all that insanity!
Great interview .... great eye opener ... two beautiful intelligent women.... ty
_"Intelligent"_ - LOL! Intelligent people don't join cults.
Wow.
I was in the “ramtha” cult- the cult that Mark Vicente directed “what the bleep do we know” about- - before he went into keith raniere’s cult. cultees gonna cult. Vicente will continue to be duped- he seems to want to be a follower. Vicente’s movie got me in to the ramtha cult, where I stayed for 9 yrs, getting progressively more crazy and more depressed. Came out w more PTSD. Read about Scientology, saw the docs, awakened to atheism. Started reading everything. Found steve hassan, cult expert, best-selling author. Enormously helpful. Found a good therapist. Worked hard. No gods, no masters. There is no other life. ps India, unlike most(?)who enter cults, is amazingly fortunate to have such a fierce mother
Glad you’re well!!
watching vicente via hbo's "the vow," i have the distinct impression he's already looking for his next leader -- his wife saw how batshit Rainiere was and clearly so do some of the others who left who seem to look at Vicente like 'are you awake??' when they speak with him even post cult.
@@lindaleibovitch522 thank you.
I joined Ramtha as well bc of what the bleep and went to a few retreats. I even found my card in the field. Then I joined NXIVM as well with Mark. Both cults have a lot in common, they both wanted him to make a film for them. I’m so thankful you are out of the school of enlightenment. Hope you are well. Any group that has a leader is probably not good. I’m so glad they can tell their story here and process all the bat shit crazy stuff.
@@AngelsVoiceASMR I found my card too...i think Red Guard moves them so people can find them.
Drago mi je da se ovo srecno zavrsilo i zelim im puno srece.Jednostavno svko moze postati zrtva manipulatora
Your mum was unstoppable.
People will remember those who survived this heinous and abhorrent cult. Keith Raniere and Allison Mack will only be remembered in cautionary tales.
Because you are dumb you have this backwards. Name other victims of cults you know, then name those cult leaders... See what I mean?
This is such a rare story being that cults usually don't end well at all. Yes a lot of people were hurt, but it didn't end in a lot of people dying.
there were suicides bc of Raneire, and questionable deaths. there is evidence to support that he poisoned some of his lovers- w rat poison- who eventually contracted cancer. rat poison can cause the kinds if cancer the women had- and died from. I expect it will eventually be found out.
Yes, that's what is interesting that despite ll the Bronfman money KR was brought down when Scientology has not been. However the FLDS - Warren Jeffs was the same - both groups bhrought down because the leader had sex with someone under age. Many other cults are cleverer and just avoid that and do fine. Yet even there the FLDS is run by Jeffs from prison and KR has followers still loyal outside the prison dancing for him every day - neither group is entirely crushed.
Watch the lost women of NEXVIM on frank Parlato site who helped bring the cult down. It’s on ID and is about the mysterious deaths of several wealthy cult members he lived with. I suspect a Keith killed his sick mama at 18 who he was the caregiver of, maybe this is why he hates women so much. One lady an expert kayaker can’t be found others may have been poisoned, he took their money, one I think was pregnant. He’s a straight psychopath. Evil to the core.
What a beautiful, powerful story!
My goodness India your mom is beautiful.
India is beautiful as well.
First of all, the packaging aint all that great and what is inside is totally rancid.
Anyone is susceptible! That is so scary. The beautiful Catherine Oxenenberg didn't suffer for fame!!! Her daughter meant everything to her!!!
Por qué no le ponen subtítulos en español????
Drs with therapeutic training can be led astray and part of the problem as well ... educational training is not the end all. Even having a type of moral compass can be penetrated.
and Mama will have this fight in her head for along time to come that her daughter could go back anytime it is scary........
They are so intelligent!! I'm so happy India got her life back. I would love to know what the depreprogramer did.
Hollywood trash
_"They are so intelligent!!"_ - LOL! Intelligent people don't get suckered into joining cults.
@@williamhutton2126 my thoughts exactly
@@williamhutton2126 there’s a difference between IQ and EQ
@@FruityHachi I know, kid. That's why I mentioned the former and not that latter.
Royal blood in that mama
i promise you, there is no such thing as "royal blood."
Can't you use a proper camera on the interviewer? You can film her regardless of zoom.
Catherine that of course was the ignorance of zero research before you leap. That’s why they are able to thrive.
Professionalism is a norm that I feel hijacks the self... that's why I listen to Rock and Roll; to rebel against the 'system', which is arguably a culture analogous to a cult
How come they all become writers
I've never heard of any of this and kinda confused what it is and how it started...I wish the person doing this story would have given better context so people whom have never heard of it understood what was being spoke about and whatever it is
Typical female privilege. You walk into the end of a conversation and expect everyone to stop and catch you up. Sad.
lots online hun.. just google a bit
Mach..... didn’t get this ,message............
Just shows how powerful long term close up and intense indoctrination works. You can be in denial and not even know it. So frightening for a young woman. So glad she got out.
The interview was interesting but the difference in the quality of the screens was very disconcerting. Can't People afford to have it's interviewers use equipment that doesn't make it look like they're in the basement?
from my experience in past following "conspiracy theories" for example, to use this kind of tactic with low tech equipment, or making it like they do it in a rush ,or like hiding, or like fake hidden camera effect ect. it is a chosen tactic to make the vibe like it is risky or dangerous - in short- it is a tactic, not genuine.
even a better camera angle would make a big difference!
She's still so skinny. I came across India once in 2016-2017. She was very insistent.
Some mothers never give up !!! That’s me , as long as there was a breath in my body I would fight for my five girls ❤️🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽❤️❤️🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Cults break your persona down and rebuild it to their own purpose. But the existence of the "persona" itself is what leads people to be susceptible to this. When you understand you are not your thoughts. You are not the concept of self your thoughts construct in your mind which can be manipulated by forces around you. You are the life energy within you and this always has immense value. There are no qualifiers for that value. It just IS. Once you recognize this, you don't need to build a persona so there is nothing for cult leaders to break down and no hole within you for them to fill.
A lot of us have an ugly ex 😂 Thank you India for sharing your story ❤️
Thank God for mothers!
Yeah, mothers that introduce you to multiple cults are great! :/
@@williamhutton2126 FU
@@joyce3790 Real mature and intelligent, mom.
@@williamhutton2126 incel
@@joyce3790 Nice comeback... if it wasn't entirely projection.
These two are everywhere with this.
SO frustrating to me that you can't see the reality when you are in a cult...drives me crazy. IT HAS TO DO WITH AWARENESS.
I have social phobia and hope to find a legit group/social event for help. Now because of what happened with India, I a bit more cautious now and looking out for anything suspicious. Not to pass judgement, but what happened to India's father and what does he have to say about this situation? I asking because I learned that not having a father/father figure can play a role in relationships with men, making you valuable to abuse and some cases Cults. Cult Leaders/Members can use a desperate need for a father's love/approval to control and manipulate potential victims. If that's the case, I'm glad India has the love and help to not only put this chapter in her life behind her, but the tools to learn to be a wonderful mother and better parent to her future children.
I don't think absence of a father (lthough India has a father) is an issue for most people. You just need a strong parent or foster parent and then do fine.
A good licenced therapist can help with any kind of phobia. As Catherine said, if you stick with people who are licenced you will be much safer.
Years of abuse research show that there are no clear patterns amongst victims that cause their abuse, including being raised by a solo parent. There is not much benefit in pathologising victims. As Catherine and India said in the interview, it is just about being in a vulnerable stage in life. The consistent pattern is among the predators and their manipulation. I have to wonder what Keith's upbringing was like.
🌈 garden 💯💯🙏🏻💔😢
Can victims get the money back that they handed over to the cult?
Did her father help you at all to get her out?
i saw "the vow" and i was shocked that the Dalai Lama "blessed" this organization after receiving a donation of 1 mil $ if i am correct, in the docu it appears like he is "concerned at first" but after "checking" he thought it was all legit....mmmm i do not hear him now saying anything about this, i expected at least a public apology, frankly, i do not hold anybody as holly in this world but many think very highly about the DL , his approval was important to Reniere even if it was only business wise ,i see this as a big ugly spot on the DL part...
When the Dali Lama goes anywhere, many, many different organizations sponsor these events, which are huge. I seriously doubt the Dali Lama personally had anything to do with it. He probably trusted his people to deal with all that stuff. I would like to know more about how it happened before making more of a judgment. For sure, his organization messed up.
@@1ACL Watch "the vow" there is part about the meeting with the Dalai Lama and Reniere and his team, i am just telling you what it is shown in the docu and said by the DL himself! i am not making any speculation or judgment what i am saying it is documented there. it was a sad moment must say, another to add to a list of saddest moments we experience in this these times....
@@divona1818 Ok, thank you. I haven't seen "the vow" yet.
Dalai Lama is 100% rich man. Is he helping Tibetians in any way except traveling the world and speaking about them suffering? I don't know I just ask🤷♀️
@@estherkweightlossjourney9257 yes the monasteries in Tibet, supported by the Dali lama, and other rinpoches, give homes, education, food and shelter to many many poor kids and people. The Tibetan people have great love, =faith and devotion in the Dali lama, and that alone gives them tremendous courage and fortitude and peace.
😬 You never know where wisdom comes from. Even having a license to be a therapist doesn’t make someone a good, caring person. Sadly, many doctors are doctors due to their egoic drive and sociopathic need for power rather than to help people.
On another note. How real and well these people look both on the in-and outside after such endurance. A good representation of how you are supposed to look over time.
So next one is Scientology? Hope so
Why are the clips of the interviewer such a poor quality compared to the clips of mother and daughter?
I can’t believe this is real 😶, is this reaaaaalllll
My Dad is this kind of parent, unfortunately if I joined a cult my Mum would just tell her friends I'm really successful and never check on me.
Such strong amazing women!
So strong that her mother introduced her to the cult, so strong that her daughter stayed for long in the cult. Strong would be not be so gullible to join a cult.
Where did India get her education?
The only thing I would *say to* Mr. KR is using NEXIVM paraphrase 👉🏾 'looks like YOU have clearly developed and *MANIFESTED* your Maximum human potential.... #NOWlooserville
To All, "THE FINAL JUDGEMENT," is here, we must face the truth (with ourselves), if we believe nothing will ever happen to this world, (please tell me if that is true) than, why is evil trying so hard to take it over....?!
We are not who we were centuries ago and everything about who we (knowledge, technological, scientific, skills, inventions, ideals, beliefs, physical, mental, emotional, abilities, "we are rapidly evolving") are has vastly increased....
And although many would like to think it's them making that happen... We (humans) did not create existence itself.
Please I'm asking everyone to search inside yourself (heart and spirit) and choose righteousness or evil...(for your spirit's final destination)?!!!
Oh god, shut the hell up.
@@user-jc8py7dw7r please reconsider, or take full responsibility for your decision...
Grooming. Predators. Grifters. Opportunists. Even therapists can abuse.
Absolutely...deception and forms of mind control are everywhere!