I love Pop OS and I'm hyped about COSMIC, and YES, absolutely, we need more DEs. Especially better tiling WMs. But what I'm less sure about is needing is another text editor and another terminal. The majority of us who use those things often already have their preferred applications, and will almost never use COSMIC's. At least not for real work. So why not integrate existing projects, e.g., (Rust-based) Zed, and instead use that time and energy for more basic features of COSMIC that still need to be implemented? Regardless, I trust the COSMIC devs and cannot wait for the official Pop!_OS 24.04 release!
I know people say they don’t need another editor or terminal but it serves for them to test the libcosmic and adjust things for it to feel better and work things out. It is less about needing those apps and more about they being great to test and adjust things in a real application to verify the experience. They themselves said that
Fully agreed, for example I use the ptyxis console even though I use KDE as it just perfect for me with its distrobox related features and looks pleasing. I’d never consider any other console unless it had the exact same features, and wouldn’t that be a waste of time to create.
I know it's 3 months old but still. I personally do need more terminals and text editors. Regarding terminals I don't currently have any I like enough to want to stick to it, cosmic terminal is fast, linux-native, integrates with desktop's UI and UX, supports all the features I need, and is developed by a team of paid employees so I don't have to worry about it going unmaintained one day. Zed is a great development platform that I prefer, but I don't want Zed to open when I need to quickly edit some plain text file.
Well, a Windows-like experience has always been there in Cinnamon, and is easily possible in Xfce4 and Mate. LXDE/LXQt are also very Windows-like. I like COSMIC for being original but well thought-out and not Windows-like by default. But it's great that you can make it do whatever you want without being as overwhelming as Plasma.
@@s0ww0s pretty easy to install just pick the git build of cosmic-session-git and that will install the majority of things, i then look at the pop os github activity repo to see if i have all the main packages installed After that then your all done :)
Great start for the DE, unfortunately, running production setup on my machine, so no Pop 24.04 for me... at least until cosmic matures.Tiling + launcer combo on 22.04 are lifesavers for me... cant wait for the cosmic to mature. The best implementation of tiling on floating DE i've ever seen. Especially when using ultrawide monitors.
Different? huh? the ui is completely different lol its great because people dont like kde plasma and gnome takes a while to implement features, cosmic brings both of kde plasmas quick development with gnomes similar design thats why many people are excited for this i myself like kde plasma, but i am not a fan of qt and its design that much as i like gnomes ui cosmic is the best of both worlds, and the devs are getting paid fulltime at system76 so when it comes to new features or improvements they are happening rather quickly if you dont like cosmic and dont find it interesting then ok, have fun with kde plasma :P
Plasma is a QT project with ancient C++ codebase and more modern components that largely use JavaScript. No offense to KDE, I love the desktop, but it's a disgusting stack of technology to work with and it often shows in form of stability for the end user or simply ancient software that's never updated. Even GNOME's C stack with extensions in JS is not as bad in my opinion. To me the fresh codebase with actually good modern design choices is the main reason to like the project. And in terms of user experience, you have customization features that will satisfy the needs of 99% of users, without tons of complications that are needed for the other 1%, while tainting the experience for the majority. Plus their customization comes from simple modularity, not from hacky custom solutions like in Plasma.
I want to use it, but I was having issues with some applications and printers. Admittedly, it shouldn't be hard to fix those, but I'm super short on time every day so I have to pick my battles. Might try it again soon because it is extremely nice.
Denmark here. I have just installed the famous Cosmic 24.04 Alfa realease and I love it except for a few things in setting that does not work. My locale setting, never mind how many times I try to set them to Copenhagen/Denmark, they auto return to etc/utc. There's no way it is saved. I will off course report that. But it looks like a DE I want in the future.
Looks nice so far, but I really like plasma. This looks like a improvement on gnome though, with it not needing extensions to have a more traditional layout. I’ll check it out once it’s more stable but I’m not sure it can give me everything plasma does.
na i preffer the gnome-cosmic desktop environment tbh. Looks like i will have to look into how i can keep it alive myself if no one else will. Gnome-Cosmic is perfect honestly.
@@linuxnext both tbh. I like the desgin of it. I like the minimal log in screen, i like the shortcuts, i like the workspaces layout etc... its all nice and works well. Gnome-Cosmic is what Gnome should have been.
I wanted to install pop OS as a dual boot on my gaming pc. The installation worked perfectly but upon reboot I just got a black screen (no cursor visible). Reboot didn't fix it, did a reinstall but still black screen. Secureboot and TPM is disabled. I have an Nvidea GPU and I did use the Nvidea ISO. I then installed an arch distro, same thing. I then installed Linux mint and that keeps working without any issues. Any thoughts on what the problem could be?
@@yanndooms8892 yes in a live environment, if you use grub then you need to edit the config to add the parameters there are a couple parameters that you can enable to see if things get fixed 1. NVreg_EnableGpuFirmware=1: This sets an environment variable that tells the NVIDIA driver to enable GPU firmware. The NVreg_EnableGpuFirmware variable is used to control whether the GPU's firmware (which includes some low-level graphics processing logic) should be enabled or disabled. * Setting it to 1 enables the firmware, while setting it to 0 disables it. 2. nvidia_drm.fbdev=1: This sets an environment variable that tells the NVIDIA driver to use a framebuffer device (FBDEV). A framebuffer is a low-level graphics device that allows applications to draw pixels directly onto the screen. * Setting nvidia_drm.fbdev to 1 enables FBDEV for the NVIDIA DRM (Direct Rendering Manager). 3. nvidia_drm.modeset=1: This sets an environment variable that tells the NVIDIA driver to enable mode setting. Mode setting is the process of configuring the display settings, such as resolution, refresh rate, and color depth. * Setting nvidia_drm.modeset to 1 enables mode setting for the NVIDIA DRM. Why would someone use these commands? These environment variables can be useful in specific scenarios: • Enabling GPU firmware: In some cases, enabling the GPU firmware can improve performance or provide additional features. • Using FBDEV: Enabling FBDEV allows applications to draw directly onto the screen, which can be useful for low-level graphics programming or debugging. • Mode setting: Enabling mode setting enables the NVIDIA driver to manage display settings, which can be useful when working with multiple monitors or custom display configurations. sudo nano /etc/default/grub find this in the config and add these parameters on the end GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nvidia_drm modeset=1 nvidia_drm.fbdev=1 NVreg_EnableGpuFirmware=1" like this on the end then update with grub2-mkconfig -o /etc/grub2.cfg if your using systemd bootloader which lots of distros do like pop os then go to boot/loader/entries find the kernel its using for booting and open it in a text editor or with nano for example here is one i did options root=PARTUUID=215735ba-990a-4792-9029-f4e78352904b rw rootflags=subvol=/@ zswap.enabled=0 nowatchdog splash nvidia_drm modeset=1 nvidia_drm.fbdev=1 NVreg_EnableGpuFirmware=1 then save it either in the text editor or with nano which you would do ctrl-x, y, enter to save hope that helps!
If under Wayland session, Cosmic during its crash will not kill all applications (as gnome does). I will 100% switch to it, even if Cosmic will crash 10 times more often than Gnome (after all, it is an alpha release).
No fractional scaling for displays? That’s a very important feature for me, on my 4K display 100% is crazy small, 150-175% is perfect. Frankly only Wayland + KWin is pleasant on my NVIDIA system. Gnome only offers scaling in 100% steps.
Theres fractional scaling in display but its currently blurry with applications, the devs are currently working on it in the github repo so alpha 2 seems more likely for that
I just switched from pop 22.04 to nobara kde, first reboot after updates and plasmashell crashes... bad cache. So I also installed cosmic on nobara 40 and keep both of them. Kde is more unstable than cosmic alpha...
There seems to be a recurring theme with nobara and kde plasma shell crashes, iv had multiple reports of this, i havent experienced these shell crashes, iv had similar ones with installing applications but that was fixed a couple weeks back
i'll probably try it on my arch system, but i dount i'll make the switch. looks great and i'm sure it works great, theres just no reason to switch over
what are you using at the moment? i run gnome. I used to install many extensions before, but sometimes i had my system not boot because of broken extensions (gnome upgrade). cosmic seems very customisable compared to gnome, so i don't think i will need extensions to make it look how i want it. when the alpha comes out i think they'll give gnome a run for their money.
@@linuxnext you just sent a link that provides no proof whatsoever. Don’t outsource your opinions/thoughts. Think for yourself. Actually use your brain.
@@terminallyonline5296 thats odd then as before i commented i checked on my laptop and i was able to alt tab back and fourth between firefox and stremio, maybe try it again sometime :P
Yeah, im a gnome cosmic user, kde is just unusble, workflow is totally different, it's like an anti window tiling manager. And it is very buggy, i never experienced shell crashing in gnome, or effects bug. It is cool by the way, kde connect work greatly for phone integration, that's why I use it but I also have cosmic if I need a lot of windows open kde have a really strange way to alt+tabbing
I don't understand why they wasted time/resources in apps like terminal, text, files, store, etc Seems like a distraction at the moment. Just focus on the basic features and use well known generally well received basic apps in the meantime.
Regarding their file tool, can it open remote locations via sftp and are the files accessible for the applications on the desktop? For me that ability of dolphin pretty much replaced any other network file access in my local network.
Yeah, this is clearly meant as a gnome replacement. That editor is nice I guess, but clearly meant more as a gedit replacement than a Kate one. Which is fair. A clean, modern and simple desktop certainly has a lot of appeal and gnome burned me a few times too often with their changes. Reminds me a bit of a sleeker more technically impressive budgie. Tiling also interests me but I’m not sure that would justify creating an entire DE around it given that there are already excellent tiling managers out there.
This makes no sense. Why would you not create applications for your desktop environment? Also, COSMIC Store is 20x faster than all other stores on Linux, while using 1/5th the memory
I love Pop OS and I'm hyped about COSMIC, and YES, absolutely, we need more DEs. Especially better tiling WMs. But what I'm less sure about is needing is another text editor and another terminal. The majority of us who use those things often already have their preferred applications, and will almost never use COSMIC's. At least not for real work. So why not integrate existing projects, e.g., (Rust-based) Zed, and instead use that time and energy for more basic features of COSMIC that still need to be implemented? Regardless, I trust the COSMIC devs and cannot wait for the official Pop!_OS 24.04 release!
I know people say they don’t need another editor or terminal but it serves for them to test the libcosmic and adjust things for it to feel better and work things out. It is less about needing those apps and more about they being great to test and adjust things in a real application to verify the experience. They themselves said that
@@sneinhz Good point. That hadn't occurred to me. Thanks!
Fully agreed, for example I use the ptyxis console even though I use KDE as it just perfect for me with its distrobox related features and looks pleasing. I’d never consider any other console unless it had the exact same features, and wouldn’t that be a waste of time to create.
I know it's 3 months old but still. I personally do need more terminals and text editors. Regarding terminals I don't currently have any I like enough to want to stick to it, cosmic terminal is fast, linux-native, integrates with desktop's UI and UX, supports all the features I need, and is developed by a team of paid employees so I don't have to worry about it going unmaintained one day. Zed is a great development platform that I prefer, but I don't want Zed to open when I need to quickly edit some plain text file.
The panel customization is amazing. Finally we have a proper Windows-like taskbar on another DE other than Plasma.
Well, a Windows-like experience has always been there in Cinnamon, and is easily possible in Xfce4 and Mate. LXDE/LXQt are also very Windows-like. I like COSMIC for being original but well thought-out and not Windows-like by default. But it's great that you can make it do whatever you want without being as overwhelming as Plasma.
Gnome has dash to panel which makes gnome exactly like windows
@@cyberturkey77 nooo
@@cyberturkey77 Yes, but extensions don't always work after a new release of Gnome, but to be fair current Pop OS has an older version of Gnome.
Glad I stumbled on this video as I just installed cosmic and didn't know about the games issues. It's a good alpha that will just improve over time.
well, I have to try cosmic out on endeavourOS
nice video!
@@s0ww0s pretty easy to install just pick the git build of cosmic-session-git and that will install the majority of things, i then look at the pop os github activity repo to see if i have all the main packages installed
After that then your all done :)
@@linuxnext Thanks for the instructions. I have already looked in the Arch documentation. I'll test it after my vacation. :)
You have on the best linux channels out there. Always about details that makes a distro or DE unique.
Great start for the DE, unfortunately, running production setup on my machine, so no Pop 24.04 for me... at least until cosmic matures.Tiling + launcer combo on 22.04 are lifesavers for me... cant wait for the cosmic to mature. The best implementation of tiling on floating DE i've ever seen. Especially when using ultrawide monitors.
I just can't see how different this is from KDE Plasma. Can't see enough difference to make this particularly great or interesting.
Different? huh? the ui is completely different lol
its great because people dont like kde plasma and gnome takes a while to implement features, cosmic brings both of kde plasmas quick development with gnomes similar design
thats why many people are excited for this
i myself like kde plasma, but i am not a fan of qt and its design that much as i like gnomes ui
cosmic is the best of both worlds, and the devs are getting paid fulltime at system76 so when it comes to new features or improvements they are happening rather quickly
if you dont like cosmic and dont find it interesting then ok, have fun with kde plasma :P
Plasma is a QT project with ancient C++ codebase and more modern components that largely use JavaScript. No offense to KDE, I love the desktop, but it's a disgusting stack of technology to work with and it often shows in form of stability for the end user or simply ancient software that's never updated. Even GNOME's C stack with extensions in JS is not as bad in my opinion. To me the fresh codebase with actually good modern design choices is the main reason to like the project. And in terms of user experience, you have customization features that will satisfy the needs of 99% of users, without tons of complications that are needed for the other 1%, while tainting the experience for the majority. Plus their customization comes from simple modularity, not from hacky custom solutions like in Plasma.
Cat-pukin' is one of my favorite color schemes.
I want to use it, but I was having issues with some applications and printers. Admittedly, it shouldn't be hard to fix those, but I'm super short on time every day so I have to pick my battles. Might try it again soon because it is extremely nice.
Denmark here. I have just installed the famous Cosmic 24.04 Alfa realease and I love it except for a few things in setting that does not work. My locale setting, never mind how many times I try to set them to Copenhagen/Denmark, they auto return to etc/utc. There's no way it is saved. I will off course report that. But it looks like a DE I want in the future.
You have to install updates before using the alpha.
sweet video mate cosmic is looking very appealing
still very alpha in my testing (tho if was only developed for 2 years very impressive work) can't wait i already mainly drive pop_os
I have cinnamon with Cinnamenu and that is hard to beat. It's javascript too which gives great performance.
Looks nice so far, but I really like plasma. This looks like a improvement on gnome though, with it not needing extensions to have a more traditional layout. I’ll check it out once it’s more stable but I’m not sure it can give me everything plasma does.
First of all, I miss when you said "Linux Benchmarks", second of all.. that cosmic store though 🤩
na i preffer the gnome-cosmic desktop environment tbh. Looks like i will have to look into how i can keep it alive myself if no one else will. Gnome-Cosmic is perfect honestly.
Are you just used to gnome cosmic? Or do you actually like the design of it
@@linuxnext both tbh. I like the desgin of it. I like the minimal log in screen, i like the shortcuts, i like the workspaces layout etc... its all nice and works well. Gnome-Cosmic is what Gnome should have been.
@@w3w3w3 i see, yeah makes sense
Congrats to the Cosmic team for the amazing work they have been doing.
I love this but for now I will stick with plasma until it is more stable/beta at least.
I wanted to install pop OS as a dual boot on my gaming pc. The installation worked perfectly but upon reboot
I just got a black screen (no cursor visible). Reboot didn't fix it, did a reinstall but still
black screen.
Secureboot and TPM is disabled.
I have an Nvidea GPU and I did use the Nvidea ISO.
I then installed an arch distro, same thing.
I then installed Linux mint and that keeps working without any issues.
Any thoughts on what the problem could be?
there are some nvidia driver problems right now with needing to disable kernel parameters or enabling some aswell depending on the nvidia gpu you have
@@linuxnext And how do I disable those? Is that in the live environement?
@@yanndooms8892 yes in a live environment, if you use grub then you need to edit the config to add the parameters
there are a couple parameters that you can enable to see if things get fixed
1. NVreg_EnableGpuFirmware=1: This sets an environment variable that tells the NVIDIA driver to enable GPU firmware. The NVreg_EnableGpuFirmware variable is used to control whether the GPU's firmware (which includes some low-level graphics processing logic) should be enabled or disabled.
* Setting it to 1 enables the firmware, while setting it to 0 disables it.
2. nvidia_drm.fbdev=1: This sets an environment variable that tells the NVIDIA driver to use a framebuffer device (FBDEV). A framebuffer is a low-level graphics device that allows applications to draw pixels directly onto the screen.
* Setting nvidia_drm.fbdev to 1 enables FBDEV for the NVIDIA DRM (Direct Rendering Manager).
3. nvidia_drm.modeset=1: This sets an environment variable that tells the NVIDIA driver to enable mode setting. Mode setting is the process of configuring the display settings, such as resolution, refresh rate, and color depth.
* Setting nvidia_drm.modeset to 1 enables mode setting for the NVIDIA DRM.
Why would someone use these commands?
These environment variables can be useful in specific scenarios:
• Enabling GPU firmware: In some cases, enabling the GPU firmware can improve performance or provide additional features.
• Using FBDEV: Enabling FBDEV allows applications to draw directly onto the screen, which can be useful for low-level graphics programming or debugging.
• Mode setting: Enabling mode setting enables the NVIDIA driver to manage display settings, which can be useful when working with multiple monitors or custom display configurations.
sudo nano /etc/default/grub
find this in the config and add these parameters on the end
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nvidia_drm modeset=1 nvidia_drm.fbdev=1 NVreg_EnableGpuFirmware=1" like this on the end
then update with grub2-mkconfig -o /etc/grub2.cfg
if your using systemd bootloader which lots of distros do like pop os
then go to boot/loader/entries find the kernel its using for booting and open it in a text editor or with nano
for example here is one i did
options root=PARTUUID=215735ba-990a-4792-9029-f4e78352904b rw rootflags=subvol=/@ zswap.enabled=0 nowatchdog splash nvidia_drm modeset=1 nvidia_drm.fbdev=1 NVreg_EnableGpuFirmware=1
then save it either in the text editor or with nano which you would do ctrl-x, y, enter to save
hope that helps!
maybe you can try cachy os and choose cosmic de in installation
If under Wayland session, Cosmic during its crash will not kill all applications (as gnome does). I will 100% switch to it, even if Cosmic will crash 10 times more often than Gnome (after all, it is an alpha release).
@@lufog i have had one crash with games and the comp will crash on the monitor the game is on but the other monitors continue working so kinda
I'm probably pull the trigger and install pop os 24.04 when beta comes out. Currently alpha still buggy and missing features i needed
No fractional scaling for displays? That’s a very important feature for me, on my 4K display 100% is crazy small, 150-175% is perfect. Frankly only Wayland + KWin is pleasant on my NVIDIA system. Gnome only offers scaling in 100% steps.
Theres fractional scaling in display but its currently blurry with applications, the devs are currently working on it in the github repo so alpha 2 seems more likely for that
I just switched from pop 22.04 to nobara kde, first reboot after updates and plasmashell crashes... bad cache.
So I also installed cosmic on nobara 40 and keep both of them.
Kde is more unstable than cosmic alpha...
There seems to be a recurring theme with nobara and kde plasma shell crashes, iv had multiple reports of this, i havent experienced these shell crashes, iv had similar ones with installing applications but that was fixed a couple weeks back
Its funny how cosmic alpha have been more stable for me than Plasma.
well it is brand new toolkits and its rust so could be why its already pretty stable
Love cosmic
which is your main distro
Arch, might be pop os in the future tho lol
future desktop for everyone? No way! Not for me!
i'll probably try it on my arch system, but i dount i'll make the switch. looks great and i'm sure it works great, theres just no reason to switch over
what are you using at the moment? i run gnome. I used to install many extensions before, but sometimes i had my system not boot because of broken extensions (gnome upgrade). cosmic seems very customisable compared to gnome, so i don't think i will need extensions to make it look how i want it. when the alpha comes out i think they'll give gnome a run for their money.
It looks like Gnome.
can you send me the wallpaper
@@Ironnnclad drive.google.com/file/d/1oXxybpeEs0pkZQIImVB0Fj_Xi8cQBSnI/view?usp=sharing
some games still got issues for some reason.
The compositor is brand new, the devs havent looked into the gaming part that much, alpha 2 seems more likely for some comp fixes for gaming
In Short, Cosmic vs KDE
wonder if gnome devs feel bad about how they treated system67 developers
The background isn’t a photo. It’s cgi.
@@Zam432F esahubble.org/news/heic0601/
@@linuxnext you just sent a link that provides no proof whatsoever. Don’t outsource your opinions/thoughts. Think for yourself. Actually use your brain.
@@Zam432F rude
@@linuxnext it’s all love 💙
I'm hoping they implement an alt-tab functionality, as well as cursor theme selection in the cosmic settings.
@@terminallyonline5296 i forgot to show alt,tab, that functionality is there and works but not with games currently
Checked it out on Fedora on the day the alpha came out on COPR and nothing happened when I alt tabbed, this was on bare-metal as well.
@@terminallyonline5296 thats odd then as before i commented i checked on my laptop and i was able to alt tab back and fourth between firefox and stremio, maybe try it again sometime :P
@@linuxnext Maybe I will!
Bye hyprland, fun game tho
can i get those cool wallpapers
Which one cosmics or the one of my main desktop?
@@linuxnext where can I get the main wallpaper one? The knight
drive.google.com/file/d/1oXxybpeEs0pkZQIImVB0Fj_Xi8cQBSnI/view?usp=sharing
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🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐
This cosmic is just horrible
and why is it horrible?
They should've just switched to KDE.
@@cookieface80 a lot of customers would be very unhappy with that i bet
Yeah, im a gnome cosmic user, kde is just unusble, workflow is totally different, it's like an anti window tiling manager.
And it is very buggy, i never experienced shell crashing in gnome, or effects bug. It is cool by the way, kde connect work greatly for phone integration, that's why I use it but I also have cosmic if I need a lot of windows open kde have a really strange way to alt+tabbing
No
I don't understand why they wasted time/resources in apps like terminal, text, files, store, etc Seems like a distraction at the moment. Just focus on the basic features and use well known generally well received basic apps in the meantime.
I guess to make it more of "their" desktop instead of using lets say gnome applications for now
Will see how it goes
Help them then instead of bitching in youtube comments about them. People like you are the worst...
Regarding their file tool, can it open remote locations via sftp and are the files accessible for the applications on the desktop? For me that ability of dolphin pretty much replaced any other network file access in my local network.
Yeah, this is clearly meant as a gnome replacement. That editor is nice I guess, but clearly meant more as a gedit replacement than a Kate one. Which is fair. A clean, modern and simple desktop certainly has a lot of appeal and gnome burned me a few times too often with their changes. Reminds me a bit of a sleeker more technically impressive budgie. Tiling also interests me but I’m not sure that would justify creating an entire DE around it given that there are already excellent tiling managers out there.
This makes no sense. Why would you not create applications for your desktop environment? Also, COSMIC Store is 20x faster than all other stores on Linux, while using 1/5th the memory
Looks like a macOS ripoff lol