During the older era's such as Plunkets and Williams, a 50% completion percentage and a 1 to 1 ration for touchdowns to interceptions was acceptable, db's could kill receivers and qb's were treated like everybody else and got killed in the pocket, not to mention the game was based on a run first strategy and hit big plays with play action so percentage didnt matter. Even in the case of johnson and Dilfer, those defenses were allowed to do so much more, those numbers seem horrible compared to a modern era.
They managed the game which is important. You realize that troy Aikman's average game passing stats were like 15 of 20 for 190 yards and 2TD with 0 interception. Not even average but he had Emmitt Smith. Just average stats. Just a very good game manager.
@@donaldcummings8407 Stabler played a wide open game in an era where that was not common due to the rules for whacking QBs and receivers. In his prime, he was one of the best ever, especially adjusting for the differences in rules between the 70s and now.
LTs were not valued like they are today as well. Those scary pass rushers of those eras massacred QBs. Now teams will never pass on a Jonathan Ogden type of player
@@corkythehippoman No, but he deserves to be in it. Any QB who wins 2 Superbowls deserves to be in the HOF. His receiving corp really does deserve most of the credit though. Plunkett could throw up a wounded duck and his guys always seemed to be able to grab it. I really enjoyed watching the Raiders during the Plunkett years.
When talking about Baltimore and Dilfer, it wasn't just a great defense that won those games. Jamal Lewis was an absolute beast and they had one of the best place kickers of all time in Matt Stover. There was a string of 5 games that the Ravens won that year solely by Stover kicking field goals.
Very similar to when Manning won with the Broncos. Peyton was no longer himself in his prime, but that defense could have won the game outright against either offense. Denvers D scored more than Carolina and Denver did on O. Baltimore was in a similar situations back then. Just impacting the game more than either offense could, on a game by game basis
@@richp5321 He did his job. Tony Banks probably had more overall talent, but had poor decision making leading to a lot of turnovers. That's why Dilfer replaced him.
Plunkett was almost out of the league before joining the raiders, but the late great Al Davis was known for taking "misfits" and "unwanted" players if he saw something in them, that's why there were so many guys in their 40s or late 30s on the team like Jerry Rice, say what you want about Plunkett but he gave us 2 of 3 superbowl championships. RIP Al Davis
You are way off on Jim Plunkett. His career started in New England where he was the #1 draft choice, but in those days NE would not spend any money on their team and Plunkett spent an inordinate amount of time on his back under rushing defenders. He only had one target- his college friend Randy Vataha. The Raiders picked up Plunkett in a 78 trade with SF and struggled after trading Kenny Stabler, until Pastorini was sidelined with a broken leg and Plunkett was given the ball. They won the SB, the first ever wild card to do so. They came back to win it all again in 83. If Plunkett had been with a good team from the beginning his career stats would have been much different.
"In those days" ?? You mean STILL. They STILL don't spend money on their team. Oh you want a raise? We can trade you to another team that will pay you.
Also, won the Heisman, the only one, I think from Stanford and upset favored Ohio State in the Rose Bowl. I know these aren't pro stats, but still, as you said, he was a great quarterback.
@@deirdre108 You and the other guy must be very young - because you both throw the word great around where it doesn't belong. Plunkett was not great - he was nowhere near great.
Doug Williams was a star prior to coming to DC. He won Tampa Bay their first playoff game and got them to the conference championship. The only reason that he didn't stay in Tampa was because the owner was cheap. This is a slap in the face to Doug Williams
His success was based on the fact Tampa had a great defense and strong ground game in those years. If you had to put the game in his hands during his years in Tampa, he couldn't win them. Now Washington was a different story but his success was too short there.
@1983jblack Aside from 1979, the Bucs didn't have a strong ground game and it WAS in his hands to win games for Tampa Bay from 1978-82. And Doug Williams delivered. They won two division titles and made three playoff berths while he was there. When management refuse to give him a raise in salary, Williams left and the franchise immediately went into the toilet. Are you gonna tell us that's a coincidence? However, it's good to see you're showing us you totally abide by the Formula to Minimize the Success of Black QBs: If a team is a regular division winner/playoff team with a Black starting QB (James Harris, Joe Gilliam, Doug Williams, Donovan McNabb), credit the defense and the running game. If a high-powered, high-scoring offense starts a Black QB (Randall Cunningham-Minnesota years; Patrick Mahomes), credit the receivers and the offensive line. Under absolutely NO circumstances do you credit the Black QB. Spare us, "jblack." We've heard this tired ignorance before.
A lot of Plunkett’s losses and picks came from his early years with New England where he was HORRIBLE and is probably the worst draft bust in Patriots history. He really turned it around w us and actually became a respectable QB
I was a Patriots fan back then and Jim actually was pretty decent until injuries hampered him. The Patriots also had a bad supporting cast around him. They ended up trading him to SF for 4 draft picks.
Dilfer had no shame in being a game manager from what I have heard, and I think that is a very underrated thing. A guy that had no issue having shit stats and understood that his job was to just not fuck it up. Not everyone can do that
After firing Dilfer, the Ravens never got close to another SB with that excellent team. Dilfer was the QB that the Ravens needed....but, then they threw him into the trash dumpster in back of the building. With Dilfer, the Ravens might have won 2 more SBs.
Putting Plunkett on this list is absurd. Those of us who watched him during his day, and the horrible New England and San Francisco teams he was on, know that while he might not have been great, and certainly a hot and cold player, he was really good at times, and was a smart QB in the big games, as his 8-2 playoff record shows. For those who doubt how good a ball he could throw, watch the 1980 Monday Night Football game he played in Pittsburgh (it's always on UA-cam somewhere), and watch the pinpoint TD throws he made that night in the 45-34 pinball game against the aging Steel Curtain. One could make a very strong case by using stats and W-L records that Joe Namath deserves to be on this list more than Plunkett but putting Namath on a worst QB list of Super Bowl winners (even if deserved) would be sacrilege and could even get you arrested in some states.
Or even bringing up that drunken episode where he is asking to kiss the reporter.....Funny how New Yorkers are that way, they love to white wash their image
Putting Doug WIlliams on the list is just as a crazy. Williams's career was even more up and down than Plunkett's, but it was known that he had capabilities when he was on. Suffice to say, he had the game of his life when it meant the most. One-game-wonder Timmy Smith helped out with 204 rushing yards.
I never hear any nfl documentary nor a you tuber saying that Plunkett became the first hispanic AND first minority starting quarterback to win a super bowl and he did it twice. All I hear is Doug Williams the first african descent quarterback to win the super bowl. Plunkett and the hispanic community always get the meh treatment here in USA. The first minority nfl head coach to win a super bowl is also hispanic and he did it THRICE and yet he hardly gets mentioned as a coach and especially with his hispanic ethnicity background.
In the 70's and early 80's, a 50% completion was the floor for a good QB. It wasn't until the emergence of the West Coast offenses that the 60% became the floor. Passing before Walsh and Coryell was much more vertical with possession receivers needing to quite a bit average more per catch than now.
Yeah, remember the Oilers. Pastoring hands off the Earl on first and 2nd down, then throws deep on 3rd down. Before Bill Walsh, dink and dunk, and throwing to running backs was not done that often
@@ThatNofbody You dumbdikhed, they finished 1st or 2nd ALMOST every year. They don't HAVE to go to the Super Bowl to be a Great and Competitive Team. Grogan, House Hannah, Stanley Morgan, Sam Bam Cunningham, Russ Francis were some of the Best Players of their era and the Patriots were a Top Team!
Trent Dilfer clearly deserves to be on this list, but I feel for him in a way. Imagine doing everything your company asked you to do and they experience the best year in their history, but you still get replaced because everyone thinks you're the worst at your job. Granted, the company's success was largely on the strength of another team, but that's still got to hurt a little.
He didn't really contribute to their success, they just relied on him to not fk up. They knew he was more of a liability than an asset, & he spent the rest of his career proving them right.
@@chizorama As someone from Maryland who watched the season intently after undergoing surgery, you're talking out of your ass. Billick hated him and that was it. He resented that Tony Banks, his guy, had to be sat after struggling for so long and then Trent went out and won it all. He was cut for GRBAC who came in and was so hated we forced him to retire. There's no reason he wasnt brought back and given the chance to at least resume his backup role.
Back when Plunkett and Doug Williams were playing, almost all QBs had lower percentage completions than in modern games. The rules let defensive backs play much more aggressively back then.
its sad. the NFL is manufacturing stars with these new rules. it used to be having a superstar QB was a luxury and they were special players. now almost every team has one because of the rules and if they don't they can put anybody in there and they will look like a superstar smh
Dick Vermeil during SB XV: “Plunkett’s eating us alive.” And view the stats from SB XVIII. And the play-by-play. Marcus Allen had 48 yards rushing in the first half. Plunkett had 122 yards passing and a TD in the first half. Raiders had a 21-0 lead at halftime. Of course they will hand off to Marcus Allen to wear out the clock. And Marcus (along with that O-line) were dominant. But don’t diss Plunkett. And note: Plunkett was the play caller. Those plays weren’t ordered by Flores. Plunkett was the one calling to hand off to 32. It’s forgotten that Marcus ran for almost 150 yards in the second half. With a big lead.
@@christhayil8354 that’s your privilege Each of them had a good game. “A” good game. Hell, Jake Delhomme had one of the best games (actually, best half) I’ve ever seen from a SB QB. Crown him I was at the SB when Phil Simms went nuts. Who mentions him? He was brilliant in that game. Plunkett has two good games. Compare Plunkett to Brett Favre. Or this: QB1: 13/21 for 261, 3TD and 0 INT QB2: 18/29 for 340, 4 TD and 1 INT One was Plunkett the other was Doug Williams.
Wait a minute. Plunkett on this list? How is he on this list when Joe Namath has almost exactly the same career stats!! He is in the hall of fame!!! Either Namath belongs here or Plunkett in the hall.
Namath's fame isn't what he did on the field stats wise, it's that he made the AFL a legitimate league and competitor. Him winning Superbowl III had a lot to do with the merger.
Namath was a legit elite quarterback for 5 full seasons though. He was universally recognized as one of the top players in the league for that stretch. He suffered injury problems and was never the same after that though.
@@sludge8506 bad QB's don't lead 2 different teams to the conference championship games. One of those teams was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He led the Bucs to the NFC Championship game 2 years after going 2-26.
@@aweewa5659 If they had had the Broncos defense from 1977, coupled with Elway, they'd have won several rings in the 80's. Fortunately for Williams, they had a somewhat DIFFERENT brand of defense...5 tds...in ONE QUARTER...to a team with DOUG WILLIAMS as qb...probably the single most disgraceful defensive performance in a big game in NFL history...
When I was a kid I had Plunkett's football card when he played for NE. You couldn't give it away even though he was a #1 overall pick in the draft. Everyone had pretty much given up on him when Al Davis picked him up. What I remember most was that wobbling wounded duck he would throw down field. He could throw it further than just about anyone I've ever seen but it was almost always a 50-50 proposition as to who would catch it. My brother still calls BS for him not being in the HOF after two Super Bowl wins but as I keep reminding him, sometimes it helps to just hang out with the right bunch of guys. As for Hostetler, the last time I was in Buffalo, and this was 2003 or 04, "Wide Right" were still fighting words in most drinking establishments. Bills fans have told me it would have been better if they had never made it to any of those Super Bowls. Then I tell em I'm a Lions fan and they say oh, sorry.
Trent Dilfer was screwed when was drafted by the Bucs. He never had a position coach. I don't call a former tight end a quarterback coach. He needed a qualified quarterback coach. He also has one more superbowl ring than Dan Marino.
@@damonjohnson7044 look at how many quarterbacks go through the NFL. Most of them have position coaches. Rookies especially need position coaches to teach them their proper form and to eliminate any bad habits. Really good quarterbacks that are successful in the NFL have a position coach. That being said how many of your favorite quarterbacks have a super bowl ring. He was brought in to manage the game. He did it. He won a super bowl. You don't have to light up the scoreboard to win It. I can think of a lot of really good quarterbacks that never won a super bowl. Go back and look at the stats for the last 30 years at quarterback and Archie Manning was one of the most statistically sound quarterbacks. He didn't even have a winning season. Course he played for the saints. wasn't entirely his fault he just never had good people around him and they never had defense.
I enjoyed watching him but he isn't a Hall of Famer,no ProBowls,kots of mediocre seasons,Raiders defense,Marcus Allen,Cliff Branch were bigger than Plunkett in SuperBowls but he did his share!
Harping on completion percentage and TD to INT ratios on quarterbacks who primarily played before the ascendency of the West Coast Offense shows a certain degree of historical ignorance. I'll just observe that Terry Bradshaw boasts a career completion percentage of 51.9% and threw exactly 2 more TD passes in his career than he did INTs. It was a different game then.
@@Allopientubefish2 Yeah, when you watch clips of old games from the 70s and 80s especially, WRs were getting bumped and banged all the way down the field, and often hammered just as the ball arrived. Hence the 'defenseless receiver' rules (actually a decent idea for this one).
I'm just starting this and I am seeing clips of Jim Plunkett and he was a 2 time sb champion, comeback player of the year, #1 draft pick, and Heisman winner. Jim also balled out in the SB he threw 3 TDs in 1980. Don't diminish his accomplishments. Not someone I'd put on this list. Doug Williams almost took the 79 Tampa Bay Bucs to the SB he was pretty darn good when he was healthy.
Doug Williams had injury problems.afterwards but he lit up the Broncos. He was a very good passer in TB but was constantly hindered by the weak offensive line. The Skins had a great offensive line which gave him the time he needed
Joe Namath 50.1% passer who threw 27 or more INT's three times in his career, while throwing 50 fewer TD passes than picks. Made the Hall of fame because of his personality.
Way off base with Doug Williams. He was the quarterback of an expansion team and eventually took them to the NFC Championship. He came to DC at end of his career at the behest of Joe Gibbs and saved the day after the Jay Schroeder meltdown. Jim Plunket was an awesome QB as well. You need to keep in mind the league was no where as wide open as it is now, a lot of running and a lot less passing.
I grew up watching Williams he was elite no question there. Not sure what Guitard is talking about. The degree of difficulty on Doug's throws make that 50% rate impressive. No checkdowns. Just mid range and deep balls. Legendary stuff.
@@datguitarplayer1656 You’re forgetting one factor, which was the coaching. You realize Joe Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different quarterbacks. Not to mention, we had a beast O-line at the time.
@@datguitarplayer1656 Williams was already into his 30s when he got to the SB. He was at the tail end of his prime. What should've been his prime years were wasted on a notoriously horrific expansion team.
Thad; I'm offended also (but 4 different reasons). He was viewed as.a "USFL castoff" yet he was the QB of the Bucs (in its early stages of the franchise) when they lost 2 the LA Rams in the NFC Championship Game from the 1979 NFL season that led 2 SB XIV (14). He EARNED &:DESERVES 2 B A SB Champ.
Bob Greise should be on this list. In 72 when the Dolphins went undefeated, Earl Morral was the QB in some of those games. Greise only completed 7 of 14 passes in the Super Bowl. He won 2 SBs because he had Kiick, Csonka and Morris running the ball. This list proves that individuals don't win Super Bowls, teams do.
@@happybeingmiserable4668 As Earl said during a 1989 interview, "When you get the chance to do the job, you have to do the job. That's all there is to it." I ask why he is not in the Hall of Fame - he had three Super Bowl wins and an NFL Championship (1968) during his career for crying out loud.
@@galagize9233 how and the hell should Eli be on this list are u serious dude u must be the Eagles or Cowboys fan . Two Super Bowl championships two Super Bowl MVPs I don’t give a fuck what people say that’s a defense won the 2007 Super Bowl. That was all Eli that got us there analytics data show of who was the greatest playoff quarterback of all time and it was Eli Manning. Fuck what his record says The New York Giants as an organization failed Eli by not building a proper team around him. We got back to the Super Bowl back in 2011 or or Eli‘s back Bad defense bad offense of line. Also Eli was able to do something no other team in the AFC East doing the prime years of the patriots was beating them twice before the 2016 bronco did...
The problem with this list is that it doesn't consider how good (or not) the QBs were *at the time* they won the SB - it just tallies up their end-career stats. Jim Plunkett was a late bloomer, but he was playing very well by the time he won those SBs. Conversely, Peyton Manning and Johnny Unitas were on their last legs and just barely scraping by when they won SBs at the end of their careers.
@@Rockhound6165 geno smith will be selling insurance in another year or two...if you think that smith is anything a jim plunkett, you know nothing about football
@@EzraStyles-b6n you obviously know nothing about football because if you did you'd know that for the first 3 years of Plunkett's career he was a tremendous bust, a complete failure as a NFL QB. Then he went to Oakland and revitalized his career. Smith's career is going in a similar direction. But do yourself a favor, look up the term hindsight.
@@Rockhound6165 really? complete bust? the pats won 2 games the year before Jim's arrival, his first year the went to 6 and 8. he made them respectable immediately...you know nothing...you should always do some research before opening your mouth...it saves embarrassment
@@EzraStyles-b6n tell you what, guy. EVERY football expert considers Plunkett a bust so I'll take their council over your silly rear end any day. If he wasn't a bust they wouldn't consider his time in Oakland a comeback, genius. Also, I dare you to talk to me this way to my face. But you won't because you don't have the guts.
If someone is described as “making history” and “winning the MVP of that game” he maybe actually doesn’t deserve to be on the list. Jim Plunkett was really good.
I know right. Take him off the list and put Joe Namath on. Namath was a trash quarterback who for some reason everyone talks about like he’s an all time great. He had a 49% career completion percentage, more career interceptions than touchdowns, and only made 1 pro bowl.
@@BD-1-And-Only Namath was a two-time AFL MVP and he was named First Team All-AFL team. "Only one Pro Bowl" is incredibly misleading. Also, Namath had a 50% completion percentage.
@@wvu05 There is more to playing QB than just completing passes. When the QB steps into the huddle he assumes a position of leadership, or the team loses. Plunkett was a leader. Joe Namath was a leader. The greats, Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, were all leaders on and off the field. This video does not understand that and is focused just on passing performance. Some teams are known for a great ground game, which (uh-hmmm) wins football games because it wears out the defense and does not allow the opposing offense time to do anything. Green Bay in the 60's had a great ground game but could also spark an aerial assault that tore up the other team. Great QB's lead the team to do these things. Namath was genius at feeling the pulse of his teammates and the opposing defense.
The best pass I ever saw was thrown by Jim Plunket. My seat was on the 20 yard line. Cliff Branch was running a fly pattern. Plunket let the ball loose from his 30 yard line. The ball was in the air 50 yards. As he crossed the 20 yard line, without looking back, Branch put his hands out waist high and the ball settled into them. The defensive back running stride for stride never knew Branch had the ball!
I feel like you could replace Plunkett with Nick Foles. Aside from the 2017 SB run and that insane 2013 season, Foles has been a fringe starter at best.
@@johns9652 Flacco was a slightly above average quarterback for 4 seasons though. Then he got the contract but the team fell apart (partly due to his contract).
It's absolutely ridiculous to use completion percentage of different era QBs as some kind of barometer to judge "greatness". A completion percentage in the mid 50 percentile was considered par for the course 35+ years ago (i.e. Plunkett, Doug Williams, etc.). It was a lot harder to complete passes back in the day when receivers actually feared going across the middle and offenses didn't have the "dink and dunk" passing attacks that spawned from the early West Coast versions where you use a shorter passing game like they did run back in the day. Today, anything under 65 percent is considered an "inaccurate" passer.
You get it. Most of these statisticians, sports writers and younger fans have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to comparing QBs who played in completely different eras. I actually crunched the numbers for the entire 1970s decade and the average passer rating back then was just under 67%. And that was a time when QBs could basically get pile drived into the turf after they threw the pass, receivers getting mugged down field before the ball even got near them. Rushing the ball and great defenses won most games back then. A QB putting up any rating above a 75 was a top 10 passer in the league back then
Well said. Look back to the 70's, and who had the consistently best completion percentage? A guy named Ken Anderson, who played for Cincinatti...and what offense did they run? Their offensive coordinator was Bill Walsh....and his system already incorporated lots of short, easy throws...just as Montana would be the standard bearer for completion percentage in the 80's, again employing that Walsh system...Today, the game is dominated by offenses that allow lots of easy throws to pad stats...Back in the old days, most guys didn't have that luxury...
The Ravens dumped Trent Dilfer and lured Elvis Grbac away from the Chiefs with a $30M salary, who then promptly finished out the 2001 season with a QB rating WORSE than Dilfer's the season before. Sadly for the Baltimore Ravens their head coach Brian Billick wouldn't know QB talent even if it bit him in the keister
@@rethink62 yeah, I mean think of the talent in regards to receivers they could have put on the field with that $30M, which is almost twice that amount in today's dollars
@@waynejohanson1083 he was a rather good OC and performed that job rather well with the Ravens as well. It's when he tried to be GM that his inability to judge talent was laid bare. People need to find their lane, and stay in it 😉
Hostetler saved our season that year and had a stellar SB !!! He even got knocked unconscious during a game and came back in for the winning drive. He still put up 20 on the AFC best defense with no mistakes
@allanhee in 1994, he made the pro bowl with Tim brown. Harvey Williams (rb). They had a pretty good offense but they had a porous defense and a lame head coach in art shell.
Trent Dilfer is the greatest stealth quarterback ever. True, he didn't have much arm and couldn't run very fast but he knew how to throw the short pass and he was a better game manger than Brain Billick. He helped to win seven strait games and a super bowl on nothing more than the short pass and the pure determination to win as a team. If Mr. Billick had checked his bruised ego and held on to Trent the Ravens may have gone back to back super bowl wins. Instead it took seven years and 10 different quarterbacks, plus the firing of Brain Billick, to get the Baltimore Ravens back on track to their second super bowl win.
Thank you for being a beacon of truth. Billick was the entire reason that Trent got kicked out, for a significantly worse QB in Grbac. Tony Banks was his guy and he was so upset that his guy wasnt the one to win the super bowl. Trent went on to win 15 straight starts for Seattle(as a backup.) A mentor figure that didn't even demand to be a starter after winning a superbowl. That's the kind of guy you hang onto.
Considering the string of bum QB's the Ravens had after Dilfer. He was the right man for the job that year. And nobody gave Payton guff for filling a game manager role in 2016. His stats from that year were terrible by any standard.
Exactly. I thought the Ravens were making a mistake then. Unless they were going to bring in someone demonstrably better, leave it alone. Dilfer knew what not to do, and sometimes that is just has important.
Eh Peyton having 1 game manager year isn't a huge deal when he previously had 13 or 14 record breakers lol dilfer was the right man that year for Baltimore but he doesn't have nearly the wiggle room to have a sub average year
@crkmt They were a defense heavy team that year. We needed an experienced QB to work off a strong running game. Dilfer also had grit, he played a couple of games including the Super Bowl with a broken finger on his throwing hand.
Plunkett and Williams were good QBs, who started their careers on teams that were in the cellar (Plunkett on the Pats, Williams on the Bucs). Williams carried the Bucs for many years, and did so often with a very tough running style. By the time Plunkett got out of NE, he was physically in bad shape. He had a good year with the 49ers, and then went to the Raiders. And like Williams, in spite of injuries, they had very good years. Stats can be deceptive. Go back and watch the games and you'll see what I mean. Also, both QBs were superbowl MVPs. That didn't just happen, they earned it.
@@tankeater Just like others on here throw around thew word great too often - you, like so many other kids, use the word garbage where it doesn't belong. Doug Williams was not garbage in his era - stop comparing stats 40 years ago to today - which is exactly what you are doing. By your argument basically every QB before 1980 was garbage.
nick foles? jim plunket and doug williams played in different eras, stats are different than today's wide-open game. brad johnson had some good years, when he got hurt in the bucs super bowl year, the 3 games he missed the bucs averaged 11 pts/game... 3 of their worst 4 games in scoring.. he was a huge part of their success.
Plunkett is a legit HOFer. He was left for dead after New England misused him out of college, a crap 49er team picked him up with a washed up O.J. Simpson, then Davis picked him out of the scrap heat to hold a clipboard and wear a headset for Dan Pastorini. The Raiders were sucking with Pastorini. He broke his leg. Plunkett went in. Results? He finally had a decent team around him. Two Super Bowl wins, one being the MVP. He beat out Joe Theismann and Archie Manning to win the Heisman, amidst similar criticism. That's when he played the Rose Bowl against Ohio State as an 18 point underdog, and won. He's been a winner his entire life, especially on the big stage. Numbers don't mean shit. He had the misfortune of using up years of his career on terrible teams and badly run organizations. When he got his chance, he won the biggest game in the NFL twice. That great team you mentioned he had around him, hadn't won shit in years until he showed up.
Want to know a Funny Stat? Here is the combined super bowl record of every QB to wear a Bucs Uniform. Doug Williams - 1-0 (Redskins) Steve Young - 1-0 (49ers) Chris Chandler - 0-1 (Falcons) Trent Dilfer - 1-0 (Ravens) Brad Johnson - 1-0 (Bucs) Tom Brady - 6-3 (Patriots, ) Total - 10-4 (with one to go)
One of the worst starting quarterbacks out there and is constantly overhyped because of 2017 til this day. Man got benched for Gardner Minshew and Mitch Trubisky in back to back years and the Jaguars gave up on him after just one season
yea and people are morons tbh...fact is the ravens were headed nowhere that year with tony banks at the helm and when they replaced dilfer with grbac the supposed upgrade didnt exactly pan out...Dilfer was exceptionally underrated tbh...he was the QB at the helm when Tampa Bay transformed from a laughing stock into a powerhouse, and regardless of the fact that it was their defense and running game leading the way the team cant do that, ESPECIALLY with Tony Dungy as their HC, if the starting QB actually sucks...
@@dp233332 yes! THANK YOU! People forget how Banks was stinking it up..also the Ravens players loved Dilfer's toughness and they would call out Grbac in 2001 and couldn't stand him!
@@happybeingmiserable4668 Toughness-thats one of the traits that at least used to be required of QBs in order to win the SB which experts and fans sometimes overlooked especially in hindsight when analyzing QBs like Dilfer...he may not have been nearly as good as any of them let alone perfect, but he like Montana Aikman and Warner Trent Dilfer was willing to step into and take the hit to make the throw.
Doug Williams started his career with the brand new TB BUCS. When he got his opportunity at the end of his career with a good team he shined. He was AMAZING in that Superbowl. Also, had he not been injured in the 1979 playoffs THERE IS A REAL POSSIBILITY THAT HE WOULD HAVE LED THE BUCS TO A SUPERBOWL VICTORY.
Tom Brady 1st superbowl win. Was definitely a game manager, 145 yards passing and 1 touchdown, the defense held the greatest show on turf to 17 points.
Brady the ultimate dink and dunk QB. He's the only QB in NFL history to score 13 or fewer points in a SB and still get the win, SB XXXVI and SB LIII, every other QB in SB history 0-25 when scoring 13 or fewer points. Brady 2-0 when scoring 13 or fewer points in a SB.
Not to mention the great defenses, kickers, special teams, offensive lines, recievers, coaches, pampering penalties, scandalous balls, and referees that carried him to championships that are forgotten about.
Tbf that Rams defense was insane. Brady did what he always does. He was clutch. At the time, QB were not supposed to move the ball that quickly up the field. He had a game winning drive shocking everyone even the commentators
I don't know, I feel a case can be made for Trent Dilfer only, as I think Doug Williams, Brad Johnson, Jim Plunkett, & Jeff Hostetler were pretty good (Williams was hampered by organizational mistrust and salary lowballing, but I think he was maturing as a passer; as other posters have said, Plunkett was dealt a bad hand and beaten down pretty bad by his Patriots experience. I think Johnson might be underrated a bit, and Hostetler was more of an unknown who later proved to be a capable NFL starter).
I get that it was a different era, and I get that we love these guys, and they even won MVP awards and Super Bowl MVPs... but Joe Namath, the dude only had 2 seasons where he threw more TD's than interceptions and had a completion percentage for his career of 50.1. And Terry Bradshaw who ended his career with only 2 more Tuds than interceptions and a completion percentage rating of 51.9. Now I will say Bradshaw probably doesn't deserve to be on this list, but I do think he is overrated, especially when you have Franco Harris in the backfield and that Steel Curtain.
@@Tony-r7v 😂 Yeaaaa you need to do a lil more research then numbers. Joe Willie is the only reason the AFC exists today, had he not went to NY and the Jets don’t win that SB the merger doesn’t happen. You can’t write the history of the NFL without Joe Willie and thats what the HOF is about not numbers.
Bradshaw is INSANELY overrated. He played well in some big games, but another perspective on that is that it shows he DIDN'T do his best the rest of the time. Lynn Swann and John Stallworth DEFINITELY improved Bradshaw's stats with strong effort on their parts. And contemporaneous QB's with much weaker supporting casts have much better QB ratings (ref: Greg Landry, for a glaring example). Bradshaw also has to be the WORST highlight narrator I've EVER seen. He is a BLIGHT on Fox NFL with his idiotic cornpone schtick and constant fumble-mouthing. 😬😬😬
@@TeezyHadaBabyNamath was elevating teams that otherwise would have never been close. Who else was even getting them to the playoffs? An aging Babe Parilli? I don't THINK so.
@@richardadams4928 Man at the end of the day if the Jets don’t win that SB the NFL wouldn’t have merged with the AFL because they would have been an inferior league. It’s not about anything else, not his damn numbers nothing. Those guys didn’t have to go out there and be Brady or Peyton, numbers are empty stats ESPECIALLY when the numbers of games change over time. You CAN NOT wrote the History of professional Football without mentioning Joe Willie with that #1 finger in the air running into the tunnel. That sir is one of the most iconic moments in football history.
I'm a Ravens & Eagles fan I remember when the Ravens started and that game against the Giants was TREMENDOUS with the Ravens scoring more on defense & special teams than the Giants did all together..
Ravens AND EAGLES fan!??? Bro I am a Ravens fan and Eagles fans get on my damn nerves. How the hell do you support both teams? Lol. Ironically, i rarely have issues with cowboys fans
@@underwood517 well the Ravens were not around when I started watching football. And the Baltimore colts were before my time. The Eagles was my pops team and my grandfather's team so I kinda went that way but when the Ravens came into existence I LOVED THE WAY THEY PLAYED...
During the era that those QB's played in defenses were allowed to hit them just like they hit any other player. Coaches used to place a bounty on the QB's head for any player to receive if they managed to knock the QB out of the game. QB's were not allowed to simply go into a baseball slide and be protected from getting clobbered, blows to the head were not only allowed they were encouraged, going for the knees was encouraged also. The modern-day QB is treated like he is a primadonna, and he needs to wear a pair of Daisy-Dukes.
Yea that's what I say to people talk shit about namath all you want but no qb today could survive a season in his era tho the real guy I wish we could have seen in the modern era is Johnny Unitas first qb to break 30,000 and 40,000 passing yards in a career a 3 time NFL Champion and winner of superbowl V
For all the flack Trent Dilfer gets, two things to remember: 1. He was a leader on the offensive side of the ball, unlike Tony Banks and Elvis Grbac 2. _Aside_ from Shannon Sharpe, who did he have to throw to? Qadry Ismail? Patrick Johnson? Brandon Stokley?
@@cyrus198604 Wes welker was a very good WR. He had 5 straight all pro teams. Welker is in a very exclusive list of WR having 5 or more straight all pro selections. Players I know have 5 or more straight: jerry rice, antonio brown, julio jones, Marvin Harrison, Tony Gonzalez (TE), Travis kelce (TE). Elite players who didn't do it: Terrell Owens, Megatron, Randy Moss, Cris carter, Isaac bruce, Tory Holt, Larry Fitzgerald and most WR in the hall of fame. Not many receivers can say that. It wasn't just Brady. If that was just the result of having brady at QB, why troy brown, danny amendola, julian edelman, deion branch, Chris Hogan didn't have the statistics that Welker put with the Patriots...
Exactly. From what I saw from the documentary of that Super Bowl win, he was very pragmatic and understood that his job on offense was to just get 1 touchdown and not fuck over the defense. It might sound silly, but not everybody has the ability to be fine with looking like absolute dog shit on the field in the name of winning. Dilfer played his role well and they should have brought him back. I think their head coach at the time was an offensive guy and he couldn’t stand winning games with such a bad offense, so he kinda tried to fix what wasn’t broken
Notice the guys playing back in the 70s/80s All have low completion percentages. That’s how it was back then, remember in those days DBs we’re allowed to do everything except tackle Wideouts all of the way down the field.
With this in mind, the NFL also completely overhauled the pass interference rules and introduced roughing the passer penalties in 1978 to increase scoring after the "dead ball" era of 1970-1977.
I am a Washington Redskins fan, and really felt Mark Rypien fit into Joe Gibbs system well ( 3 different quarterbacks in 3 SB wins). He studied and practiced for years until his number was called. A brave player who fought through injuries. I recall the season after the Skins 91-92 SB. He nearly pulled out the win in the muddy last playoff game vs 49ers. That being said Mark had a completion ratio of 56.1% career, and a 59% in his SB winning season. I fear he might be worthy of this list. For that matter I see that Joe Theismanns career percentage is nearly the same as Rypiens at 56.75%.
Trent Dilfer knew he had the best defense in the league along with an automatic kicker in Matt Stover so he became a great game manager for our Ravens. To let someone go that just took us from a losing streak to winning a Super Bowl is beyond my comprehension given the fact that Trent understood that as long as he gave our #1 defense time to rest in the game we've got a shot at winning every single game. Thank you for managing that Baltimore Ravens 2000 Super Bowl Victory Trent Dilfer.
I love trent as a person, but even I know he's not the reason they won the super bowl. The offense wasn't elite, but it wasn't mistake prone, which is why later defense-first teams like the 2006 Bears couldn't win the title.
try reading up on NFL History The Leagues first Premier Player was Red Grange Of The Chicago Bears in 1925 and in 1920 American Professional Football Association (APFA) not the NFL
There out here disrespecting Doug Williams he was pretty good in Tampa he led them to the nfc champion ship game in 1979 and he was the the 1978 rookie 1st team and led them to 3 playoff berths when they where nothing
I played HS ball for Dilfer’s HS coach. He came and spoke to our team one year during summer camp back in early 00’s. I remember feeling conflicted because here’s an NFL QB… but I was thoroughly unimpressed lol.
Football is the only sport where people think that championship victories are equivalent to how good you are of a player. I remember going on the old ESPN forums and saw dudes on there who swore that Trent Dilfer was a better QB than Dan Marino because he won a Super Bowl
Cutting Dilfer was half the reason the Ravens didn’t repeat. He was far from spectacular but he was a solid leader and the locker room respected him. The other reason was Jamal Lewis’s injury. Those two things don’t happen and I don’t think the Patriots sniff the Super Bowl in 2002.
The main reason they didn't repeat was Ray Lewis' season ending injury. Not only was he a top defensive player in the league but he was also the leader of the team. He only played in 5 games the 2002 season.
Please solid leader ? if it was for Jason seahorn two blown covers, things would had been different he should gotten the mvp trophy for winning the Super Bowl for ravens 😮
I’m so tired of all the Dilfer disrespect. Dude was a smart QB who did what the team needed: put aside his ego and played within his limitations. Game Manager? Heck yeah, he managed them to a Lombardi Trophy! That Ravens team was 5-and-3 with Tony Banks at QB, after the change to Dilfer they went 11-and-1.
Dilfer was handed a good team and the defense was the cherry on top. And what ego did he put aside? He didn’t have an ego to begin with cuz he was a backup QB. All Dilfer had to do is not mess up that much and do what he was told. It’s not like he had to put the whole team on his back and carry them to a super bowl win. With his experience and doing what he was told to do on the field is what made it happen for them. But like I said, defense was a BIG part of them winning that season. If Dilfer had a so/so defense that year I guarantee you they don’t make it to the bowl. Baltimore got what they needed out of him and cut him right after that season. If Dilfer was the main reason that Baltimore wins the super bowl don’t you think they would have gave him a contract extension? The owner and GM knew exactly what Dilfer brought to that team and all he had to do was put it on cruise control and listen and do as he was told to. And it wasn’t him(Dilfer) who was the “game manager”. It was his coaches who told him how to game manage so they could get them wins
@@bigzoo895 He was a number 4 overall pick. It doesnt matter if "you're the backup" if you're good enough to make it to the NFL and then good enough to go in the top 5, you're going to think highly of yourself. Also, if you watch hard knocks, Billick HATED Trent and really didnt put him in until he was basically forced to because Tony was his guy and he wanted him to succeed far past the point of failure. He would relentlessly yell at Trent and get mad about stuff that was so small but constantly coddle Tony over making huge mistakes. He resented Trent and the fact that Ozzie was the one who brought him in, not Brian. Billick talked them into ditching Dilfer who would have been rightfully owed a bigger contract and getting Grbac for a huge amount that was a complete flop, another one of his guys who was significantly worse than Trent in Baltimore. Dont talk highly of "the coaches" who "managed" Trent as if they were the ones who made him succeed. The offensive coaches were failures through and through. Billick was brought in to power up the offense because he coached the Vikings who were great....because they had Randy Moss and Cris Carter. His biggest achievement in the end was having a great defense. What a visionary. Meanwhile Trent went on to have a strongly winning record in starts over the rest of his career, going six and 10 in one season with a perpetually terrible Browns team being his only losing campaign. "Proved it with the rest of his career" you mean the 15 straight victories in starts for the Seahawks? Imagine if he had been with the Ravens for those, they would repeat as champs. Joe Theismann said it the best: Calling a quarterback a game manager in a diminutive maner shows how little someone knows about the game. Managing the game is what every quarterback's job is. Every decision a quarterback makes is based on managing the game. If you're a good game manager, you're a good quarterback. Stop talking out your ass like you know what you're even saying.
@@booradley6832 Man. That’s crazy. But it’s believable. Look at belicheat. He ran Brady out of New England. People don’t understand that the QB still has to execute the plays and make split second decisions.
It's kind of an insult to put Doug Williams on this list. He was a capable starter who floundered in Tampa Bay for years. No one could succeed there back then.
Then the press could have asked him how long he had been an orange quarterback.....I guess that one actually has an answer. "Soon as I got to Miami from Pittsburgh."
Glaring Omission: Joe Namath, career losing record, career stats of 173 TDs vs 220 INTs. In his Super Bowl, he only threw for 206 yards and 0 TDs. Was expecting him to be # 1 on this list, where he belongs.
@@blackfreethinker2525 In HoF for boastful prediction that came true and pantyhose commercials. He's not even responsible for the NFL-AFL merger, which was happening anyway.
During the older era's such as Plunkets and Williams, a 50% completion percentage and a 1 to 1 ration for touchdowns to interceptions was acceptable, db's could kill receivers and qb's were treated like everybody else and got killed in the pocket, not to mention the game was based on a run first strategy and hit big plays with play action so percentage didnt matter. Even in the case of johnson and Dilfer, those defenses were allowed to do so much more, those numbers seem horrible compared to a modern era.
Ken Stabler completed almost 67 percent of his passes in 1976..He definitely wasnt a "dink and dunk" passer like you see in todays game
They managed the game which is important. You realize that troy Aikman's average game passing stats were like 15 of 20 for 190 yards and 2TD with 0 interception. Not even average but he had Emmitt Smith.
Just average stats. Just a very good game manager.
All facts!
@@donaldcummings8407 Stabler played a wide open game in an era where that was not common due to the rules for whacking QBs and receivers. In his prime, he was one of the best ever, especially adjusting for the differences in rules between the 70s and now.
LTs were not valued like they are today as well. Those scary pass rushers of those eras massacred QBs. Now teams will never pass on a Jonathan Ogden type of player
Honestly, if plunket won 2 superbowls AND was an MVP in one of them, idk how you could call him one of the 5 worst.
Also, his overall stats are misleading because he played for many years on an awful Patriots team with no O line.
Yea he is in the HOF right?
@@corkythehippoman no he is not on the HOF.
@@corkythehippoman No, but he deserves to be in it. Any QB who wins 2 Superbowls deserves to be in the HOF.
His receiving corp really does deserve most of the credit though. Plunkett could throw up a wounded duck and his guys always seemed to be able to grab it. I really enjoyed watching the Raiders during the Plunkett years.
Fr most of his negative stats came as a Patriot and not a Raider
Brad Johnson was pretty good that year they won the superbowl. He was also named the teams MVP.
Nope. Dexter Jackson was MVP in that SB
@@jackkeenan7730 he said team MVP. Every year each team gives a "team mvp" award.
@@edsoncarrillo7211 that shit be worthless my God 😂😂😂
lol his son is the starter for lsu now tho
Maybe but Dexter Jackson won the SB MVP
When talking about Baltimore and Dilfer, it wasn't just a great defense that won those games. Jamal Lewis was an absolute beast and they had one of the best place kickers of all time in Matt Stover. There was a string of 5 games that the Ravens won that year solely by Stover kicking field goals.
Yup, Lewis was a 2k rusher. Not to mention he had Shannon sharpe at TE.
Ray Lewis, Jamal Lewis, Marvin Lewis, Jermaine Lewis. It was the Lewises.
Very similar to when Manning won with the Broncos. Peyton was no longer himself in his prime, but that defense could have won the game outright against either offense. Denvers D scored more than Carolina and Denver did on O. Baltimore was in a similar situations back then. Just impacting the game more than either offense could, on a game by game basis
He made some good throws though. You gotta give him that.
@@richp5321 He did his job. Tony Banks probably had more overall talent, but had poor decision making leading to a lot of turnovers. That's why Dilfer replaced him.
Plunkett was almost out of the league before joining the raiders, but the late great Al Davis was known for taking "misfits" and "unwanted" players if he saw something in them, that's why there were so many guys in their 40s or late 30s on the team like Jerry Rice, say what you want about Plunkett but he gave us 2 of 3 superbowl championships. RIP Al Davis
Lamonica was the best all time Raider QB .
Lamonica holds the best record as a starting qb , 66 wins and only 16 losses .
Better than snake Stabler .
@@RobertStambaugh-l5r But Lamonica wasn't "better than" Stabler.
Not happ'nin', Cliff Notes Casual.
You are way off on Jim Plunkett. His career started in New England where he was the #1 draft choice, but in those days NE would not spend any money on their team and Plunkett spent an inordinate amount of time on his back under rushing defenders. He only had one target- his college friend Randy Vataha. The Raiders picked up Plunkett in a 78 trade with SF and struggled after trading Kenny Stabler, until Pastorini was sidelined with a broken leg and Plunkett was given the ball. They won the SB, the first ever wild card to do so. They came back to win it all again in 83. If Plunkett had been with a good team from the beginning his career stats would have been much different.
"In those days" ?? You mean STILL. They STILL don't spend money on their team. Oh you want a raise? We can trade you to another team that will pay you.
Great post.
If I were one of those QB's I'd say to myself - who cares, I got my ring and you don't, period...
😢 Dan Marino
@@genox3636 - Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts, Philip Rivers.
Doesn't matter how you played in all the games.....just matters how you play in one game!
@@christhayil8354 that's why Marino will never be a great, but he was good.
@@christhayil8354 Doug williams must be telling himself that every night
Jim Plunkett was a great QB.
He started his career with a team that sucked(pats). The guy was a competitor and winner.
And 49ers were awful, too!
Also, won the Heisman, the only one, I think from Stanford and upset favored Ohio State in the Rose Bowl. I know these aren't pro stats, but still, as you said, he was a great quarterback.
@@deirdre108 You and the other guy must be very young - because you both throw the word great around where it doesn't belong. Plunkett was not great - he was nowhere near great.
Yup. Plunkett was the prototype cinderella career story.
@@ngc-fo5te You must be young because you never watched him play.
Doug Williams was a star prior to coming to DC. He won Tampa Bay their first playoff game and got them to the conference championship. The only reason that he didn't stay in Tampa was because the owner was cheap. This is a slap in the face to Doug Williams
His success was based on the fact Tampa had a great defense and strong ground game in those years. If you had to put the game in his hands during his years in Tampa, he couldn't win them. Now Washington was a different story but his success was too short there.
Calling BS. They won in 81 and 82...when he played. When he sat out in 1983...there defense and that run game was trash without HIM ...2-14
Preach these guys are hilarious and never made the nerve to call pro trash is hilarious because someone has to lose the game @@PA_MD1
@1983jblack Aside from 1979, the Bucs didn't have a strong ground game and it WAS in his hands to win games for Tampa Bay from 1978-82. And Doug Williams delivered. They won two division titles and made three playoff berths while he was there. When management refuse to give him a raise in salary, Williams left and the franchise immediately went into the toilet. Are you gonna tell us that's a coincidence?
However, it's good to see you're showing us you totally abide by the Formula to Minimize the Success of Black QBs:
If a team is a regular division winner/playoff team with a Black starting QB (James Harris, Joe Gilliam, Doug Williams, Donovan McNabb), credit the defense and the running game. If a high-powered, high-scoring offense starts a Black QB (Randall Cunningham-Minnesota years; Patrick Mahomes), credit the receivers and the offensive line.
Under absolutely NO circumstances do you credit the Black QB. Spare us, "jblack." We've heard this tired ignorance before.
Williams and Plunkett were actually good QBs that had ability. They both had very strange careers where their prime was really wasted.
Exactly. Williams played in the hell that was Tampa Bay and then in the USFL.
A lot of Plunkett’s losses and picks came from his early years with New England where he was HORRIBLE and is probably the worst draft bust in Patriots history. He really turned it around w us and actually became a respectable QB
I was a Patriots fan back then and Jim actually was pretty decent until injuries hampered him. The Patriots also had a bad supporting cast around him. They ended up trading him to SF for 4 draft picks.
Plunkett was never horrible. He spent his first few years on a horrible team that would not try to get good players.
@@timmccreery3646 Only when Grogan replaced Plunkett did the Patriots (WAY B4 Brady's existence) have some sort of respectability.
@@williambevins Plunkett was a tough SOB!
He wasn't horrible, the Pats were horrible.
Jim Plunkett? Are you out of your minds?
Josh R.; U R so SPOT-ON!!!!! Jim Plunkett (along w/Doug Williams) DOESN'T DESERVE 2 b on this FBS list @ all.
I'd put Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Jim McMahon, and Mark Rypian on this list before Jim Plunkett!
@@b.j.banditt206 Did you type this comment on a flip-phone
@@Numberoneiosgameplay lmaoooo
😳 absolutely, the guy was tough to hang in there 10 hard seasons and do what he did ✊ 🏈⭐️
Trent Dilfer was such a boss that we all didn't even see him win SB 53.
Bro I was thinking the same thing I was like wtf? Super bowl 53? Pretty sure the ravens or giants were in that one
@@thehelpingwrench1845 He transposed it.... it was Super Bowl 35 Giants Vs Ravens.... Super Bowl 53 was Pats v Rams. Just a bad gaffe lol
@@vetwar2x445 i think the joke is that super bowl 53 was so monstrously boring that nobody remembers it
@@oakleygee5616 that too. I turned it off after the 1st quarter.
@@oakleygee5616 It wasn't a joke. Dude just read it wrong.
Dilfer had no shame in being a game manager from what I have heard, and I think that is a very underrated thing. A guy that had no issue having shit stats and understood that his job was to just not fuck it up. Not everyone can do that
Exactly - I don't think he turned the ball over much
Dilfer got a ring. Period. 😅
After firing Dilfer, the Ravens never got close to another SB with that excellent team.
Dilfer was the QB that the Ravens needed....but, then they threw him into the trash dumpster in back of the building. With Dilfer, the Ravens might have won 2 more SBs.
@@pigdroppings yeah they tried to fix what wasn’t broken
Doesn't change the fact that Dilfer was garbage.
Putting Plunkett on this list is absurd. Those of us who watched him during his day, and the horrible New England and San Francisco teams he was on, know that while he might not have been great, and certainly a hot and cold player, he was really good at times, and was a smart QB in the big games, as his 8-2 playoff record shows. For those who doubt how good a ball he could throw, watch the 1980 Monday Night Football game he played in Pittsburgh (it's always on UA-cam somewhere), and watch the pinpoint TD throws he made that night in the 45-34 pinball game against the aging Steel Curtain. One could make a very strong case by using stats and W-L records that Joe Namath deserves to be on this list more than Plunkett but putting Namath on a worst QB list of Super Bowl winners (even if deserved) would be sacrilege and could even get you arrested in some states.
Or even bringing up that drunken episode where he is asking to kiss the reporter.....Funny how New Yorkers are that way, they love to white wash their image
THANK U!!!
Putting Doug WIlliams on the list is just as a crazy. Williams's career was even more up and down than Plunkett's, but it was known that he had capabilities when he was on. Suffice to say, he had the game of his life when it meant the most. One-game-wonder Timmy Smith helped out with 204 rushing yards.
I never hear any nfl documentary nor a you tuber saying that Plunkett became the first hispanic AND first minority starting quarterback to win a super bowl and he did it twice. All I hear is Doug Williams the first african descent quarterback to win the super bowl. Plunkett and the hispanic community always get the meh treatment here in USA. The first minority nfl head coach to win a super bowl is also hispanic and he did it THRICE and yet he hardly gets mentioned as a coach and especially with his hispanic ethnicity background.
@@Trancymind Hell yea!!! Thank u!! 👍
In the 70's and early 80's, a 50% completion was the floor for a good QB. It wasn't until the emergence of the West Coast offenses that the 60% became the floor. Passing before Walsh and Coryell was much more vertical with possession receivers needing to quite a bit average more per catch than now.
Yeah, remember the Oilers. Pastoring hands off the Earl on first and 2nd down, then throws deep on 3rd down. Before Bill Walsh, dink and dunk, and throwing to running backs was not done that often
Honestly now 62-64% is the floor for being a good quarterback.
33 QBs threw over 60%
@@MustacheDLuffyholy shit 33? That’s crazy
They have the ring(s) I'm sure they don't care what we think.
Fr bro
You're correct.
Dilfer was well aware of what his job was on that team and he isn't shy about stating it.
Deep down they do
They were still bad.. the numbers are there.. nothing can change that..
Plunkett won the Heisman out f Stanford. He doesn't belong on this list. He was drafted by a sorry Patriots organization.
Back when the Patriots were like the Detroit Lions
Absolutely. See my own response to this ridiculous report.
@@christhayil8354 The Patriots were Great back then. John Hannah, Stanley Morgan, Sam Bam Cunningham. Russ Francis, Steve Grogan.
@@thespy7795 no tf they weren’t they sucked lol they went to like one Super Bowl I think In that era
@@ThatNofbody You dumbdikhed, they finished 1st or 2nd ALMOST every year. They don't HAVE to go to the Super Bowl to be a Great and Competitive Team. Grogan, House Hannah, Stanley Morgan, Sam Bam Cunningham, Russ Francis were some of the Best Players of their era and the Patriots were a Top Team!
Trent Dilfer clearly deserves to be on this list, but I feel for him in a way. Imagine doing everything your company asked you to do and they experience the best year in their history, but you still get replaced because everyone thinks you're the worst at your job. Granted, the company's success was largely on the strength of another team, but that's still got to hurt a little.
See my comment concerning his Playoff Game against the Raiders.
He didn't really contribute to their success, they just relied on him to not fk up. They knew he was more of a liability than an asset, & he spent the rest of his career proving them right.
@@chizorama As someone from Maryland who watched the season intently after undergoing surgery, you're talking out of your ass. Billick hated him and that was it. He resented that Tony Banks, his guy, had to be sat after struggling for so long and then Trent went out and won it all. He was cut for GRBAC who came in and was so hated we forced him to retire.
There's no reason he wasnt brought back and given the chance to at least resume his backup role.
damn right, the apparent messiah grbac had one good throw against the broncos then he sucked as bad as boller,lol @@booradley6832
Back when Plunkett and Doug Williams were playing, almost all QBs had lower percentage completions than in modern games. The rules let defensive backs play much more aggressively back then.
Exactly with plays like Jack Tatum and Neil cozy. Definitely very violent active defensive backs.
its sad. the NFL is manufacturing stars with these new rules. it used to be having a superstar QB was a luxury and they were special players. now almost every team has one because of the rules and if they don't they can put anybody in there and they will look like a superstar smh
Congrats, Roman numerals name, for the dumbest statement anyone has heard in years.
@@booradley6832It is pretty bad.
Plunkett shouldn’t be on this list. Remember, those stats are representative of a much different league 40 years ago. He was solid.
I'd put Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Jim McMahon, and Mark Rypian on this list before Jim Plunkett!
Agreed
Dick Vermeil during SB XV: “Plunkett’s eating us alive.”
And view the stats from SB XVIII. And the play-by-play. Marcus Allen had 48 yards rushing in the first half. Plunkett had 122 yards passing and a TD in the first half.
Raiders had a 21-0 lead at halftime. Of course they will hand off to Marcus Allen to wear out the clock. And Marcus (along with that O-line) were dominant.
But don’t diss Plunkett. And note: Plunkett was the play caller. Those plays weren’t ordered by Flores. Plunkett was the one calling to hand off to 32.
It’s forgotten that Marcus ran for almost 150 yards in the second half. With a big lead.
I'd put Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Jim McMahon, and Mark Rypian on this list before Jim Plunkett!
Plunkett won the Heisman, too.
@@christhayil8354 that’s your privilege
Each of them had a good game. “A” good game.
Hell, Jake Delhomme had one of the best games (actually, best half) I’ve ever seen from a SB QB. Crown him
I was at the SB when Phil Simms went nuts. Who mentions him? He was brilliant in that game.
Plunkett has two good games. Compare Plunkett to Brett Favre.
Or this:
QB1: 13/21 for 261, 3TD and 0 INT
QB2: 18/29 for 340, 4 TD and 1 INT
One was Plunkett the other was Doug Williams.
Wait a minute. Plunkett on this list? How is he on this list when Joe Namath has almost exactly the same career stats!! He is in the hall of fame!!! Either Namath belongs here or Plunkett in the hall.
Namath is only in the hall because of New York bias and the whole guarantee thing...isnt he a below 1:1 td to int ratio?...maybe im wrong
@@BodieB way below like 173 to 220 if memory serves.
Funny comment 😂
Namath's fame isn't what he did on the field stats wise, it's that he made the AFL a legitimate league and competitor. Him winning Superbowl III had a lot to do with the merger.
Namath was a legit elite quarterback for 5 full seasons though. He was universally recognized as one of the top players in the league for that stretch. He suffered injury problems and was never the same after that though.
You can't say that Doug Williams was a bad QB. He played incredible in that Superbowl when it mattered the most and was the Superbowl MVP.
Doug Williams was a bad QB.
@@sludge8506 bad QB's don't lead 2 different teams to the conference championship games. One of those teams was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He led the Bucs to the NFC Championship game 2 years after going 2-26.
@@Rockhound6165 Thanks for your opinion!
It was the lowly Broncos.
@@aweewa5659 If they had had the Broncos defense from 1977, coupled with Elway, they'd have won several rings in the 80's. Fortunately for Williams, they had a somewhat DIFFERENT brand of defense...5 tds...in ONE QUARTER...to a team with DOUG WILLIAMS as qb...probably the single most disgraceful defensive performance in a big game in NFL history...
When I was a kid I had Plunkett's football card when he played for NE. You couldn't give it away even though he was a #1 overall pick in the draft. Everyone had pretty much given up on him when Al Davis picked him up. What I remember most was that wobbling wounded duck he would throw down field. He could throw it further than just about anyone I've ever seen but it was almost always a 50-50 proposition as to who would catch it. My brother still calls BS for him not being in the HOF after two Super Bowl wins but as I keep reminding him, sometimes it helps to just hang out with the right bunch of guys. As for Hostetler, the last time I was in Buffalo, and this was 2003 or 04, "Wide Right" were still fighting words in most drinking establishments. Bills fans have told me it would have been better if they had never made it to any of those Super Bowls. Then I tell em I'm a Lions fan and they say oh, sorry.
Let’s be honest Trent Dilfer is one through five
Trent Dilfer was screwed when was drafted by the Bucs. He never had a position coach. I don't call a former tight end a quarterback coach. He needed a qualified quarterback coach. He also has one more superbowl ring than Dan Marino.
@@JohnRodriguesPhotographer lmao a qb coach stop it he just was not good nfl is not for everyone
@@damonjohnson7044 look at how many quarterbacks go through the NFL. Most of them have position coaches. Rookies especially need position coaches to teach them their proper form and to eliminate any bad habits. Really good quarterbacks that are successful in the NFL have a position coach. That being said how many of your favorite quarterbacks have a super bowl ring. He was brought in to manage the game. He did it. He won a super bowl. You don't have to light up the scoreboard to win It. I can think of a lot of really good quarterbacks that never won a super bowl. Go back and look at the stats for the last 30 years at quarterback and Archie Manning was one of the most statistically sound quarterbacks. He didn't even have a winning season. Course he played for the saints. wasn't entirely his fault he just never had good people around him and they never had defense.
@@JohnRodriguesPhotographer Anyone with football knowledge wouldn’t ever mention Dilfer and Marino in the same conversation.
@@Triqkshot true Marino only went to the super bowl once. He lost. That's the point.
Glad to see people respecting and defending Plunkett. He definitely deserves to be in the HOF.
Yes, Plunkett is HOF level QB.
No he doesn't. And he won't ever be in the HoF
That very point (about HOF) was passionately argued for at all times by John Madden.
He doesnt and he will never get into the hall.
I enjoyed watching him but he isn't a Hall of Famer,no ProBowls,kots of mediocre seasons,Raiders defense,Marcus Allen,Cliff Branch were bigger than Plunkett in SuperBowls but he did his share!
Harping on completion percentage and TD to INT ratios on quarterbacks who primarily played before the ascendency of the West Coast Offense shows a certain degree of historical ignorance. I'll just observe that Terry Bradshaw boasts a career completion percentage of 51.9% and threw exactly 2 more TD passes in his career than he did INTs.
It was a different game then.
Also before the ascendency of the 'protect the QB at any cost' and 'don't bump the receivers' rules.
@@timclaus8313 facts they used to assault wide receivers
@@Allopientubefish2 Yeah, when you watch clips of old games from the 70s and 80s especially, WRs were getting bumped and banged all the way down the field, and often hammered just as the ball arrived. Hence the 'defenseless receiver' rules (actually a decent idea for this one).
Nah Foreal ol school teams was running the ball majority of the time outside of like Dan fouts
Nobody Said Bradshaw was elite
I'm just starting this and I am seeing clips of Jim Plunkett and he was a 2 time sb champion, comeback player of the year, #1 draft pick, and Heisman winner. Jim also balled out in the SB he threw 3 TDs in 1980. Don't diminish his accomplishments. Not someone I'd put on this list. Doug Williams almost took the 79 Tampa Bay Bucs to the SB he was pretty darn good when he was healthy.
Doug Williams had injury problems.afterwards but he lit up the Broncos. He was a very good passer in TB but was constantly hindered by the weak offensive line. The Skins had a great offensive line which gave him the time he needed
That first half of that Super Bowl with Williams was amazing.
Joe Namath 50.1% passer who threw 27 or more INT's three times in his career, while throwing 50 fewer TD passes than picks. Made the Hall of fame because of his personality.
Bingo! Actually his whole career is a combo of personality and the media, especially sports guys, falling over the guy with man-love.
It was New York. Broadway Joe. Lots of New York athletes have been overcelebrated because it's the media center.
It's a hall of fame, not a hall of statistics. But yes, Namath should have been on this list.
The AFL finally beat the NFL. That's why he's in. If you didn't live during that era, you don't get it.
Way off base with Doug Williams. He was the quarterback of an expansion team and eventually took them to the NFC Championship. He came to DC at end of his career at the behest of Joe Gibbs and saved the day after the Jay Schroeder meltdown. Jim Plunket was an awesome QB as well. You need to keep in mind the league was no where as wide open as it is now, a lot of running and a lot less passing.
I grew up watching Williams he was elite no question there. Not sure what Guitard is talking about.
The degree of difficulty on Doug's throws make that 50% rate impressive. No checkdowns. Just mid range and deep balls. Legendary stuff.
@@datguitarplayer1656 You’re forgetting one factor, which was the coaching. You realize Joe Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different quarterbacks. Not to mention, we had a beast O-line at the time.
@@julesbadguy5878 elite? At what ?
@@julesbadguy5878 Doug Williams was never, at any point, "elite". Stop smoking crack.
@@datguitarplayer1656 Williams was already into his 30s when he got to the SB. He was at the tail end of his prime. What should've been his prime years were wasted on a notoriously horrific expansion team.
When he said “a team winning a Super Bowl with a not so great QB” he showed my great uncle Doug Williams. I am offended
Dang bruh that’s jacked up
me too! His numbers would have been better if he'd not played at Tampa.
Real shit luv, I thought I was tripping!! I caught that fuckery also.
Thad; I'm offended also (but 4 different reasons). He was viewed as.a "USFL castoff" yet he was the QB of the Bucs (in its early stages of the franchise) when they lost 2 the LA Rams in the NFC Championship Game from the 1979 NFL season that led 2 SB XIV (14). He EARNED &:DESERVES 2 B A SB Champ.
That’s cool Doug Williams is a beloved figure in Washington sports and he’s been a front office guy on the team for many years
Brad Johnson was a solid QB. Went to the playoffs a few times with the Vikes too.
Trent Dilfer knew his role. Snap the ball, hand it off, let the defense eat. Best game manager ever.
Bob Greise should be on this list. In 72 when the Dolphins went undefeated, Earl Morral was the QB in some of those games. Greise only completed 7 of 14 passes in the Super Bowl. He won 2 SBs because he had Kiick, Csonka and Morris running the ball.
This list proves that individuals don't win Super Bowls, teams do.
Yes, Bob Griese was average as hell, and Morrell won 3/4 of the games that season.
Earl is considered the greatest backup QB in NFL history!
Just like Eli... eli shouldve been here
@@happybeingmiserable4668 As Earl said during a 1989 interview, "When you get the chance to do the job, you have to do the job. That's all there is to it."
I ask why he is not in the Hall of Fame - he had three Super Bowl wins and an NFL Championship (1968) during his career for crying out loud.
@@galagize9233 how and the hell should Eli be on this list are u serious dude u must be the Eagles or Cowboys fan . Two Super Bowl championships two Super Bowl MVPs I don’t give a fuck what people say that’s a defense won the 2007 Super Bowl. That was all Eli that got us there analytics data show of who was the greatest playoff quarterback of all time and it was Eli Manning. Fuck what his record says The New York Giants as an organization failed Eli by not building a proper team around him. We got back to the Super Bowl back in 2011 or or Eli‘s back Bad defense bad offense of line. Also Eli was able to do something no other team in the AFC East doing the prime years of the patriots was beating them twice before the 2016 bronco did...
The problem with this list is that it doesn't consider how good (or not) the QBs were *at the time* they won the SB - it just tallies up their end-career stats. Jim Plunkett was a late bloomer, but he was playing very well by the time he won those SBs. Conversely, Peyton Manning and Johnny Unitas were on their last legs and just barely scraping by when they won SBs at the end of their careers.
Geno Smith is blossoming into another Plunkett.
@@Rockhound6165 geno smith will be selling insurance in another year or two...if you think that smith is anything a jim plunkett, you know nothing about football
@@EzraStyles-b6n you obviously know nothing about football because if you did you'd know that for the first 3 years of Plunkett's career he was a tremendous bust, a complete failure as a NFL QB. Then he went to Oakland and revitalized his career. Smith's career is going in a similar direction. But do yourself a favor, look up the term hindsight.
@@Rockhound6165 really? complete bust? the pats won 2 games the year before Jim's arrival, his first year the went to 6 and 8. he made them respectable immediately...you know nothing...you should always do some research before opening your mouth...it saves embarrassment
@@EzraStyles-b6n tell you what, guy. EVERY football expert considers Plunkett a bust so I'll take their council over your silly rear end any day. If he wasn't a bust they wouldn't consider his time in Oakland a comeback, genius. Also, I dare you to talk to me this way to my face. But you won't because you don't have the guts.
If someone is described as “making history” and “winning the MVP of that game” he maybe actually doesn’t deserve to be on the list. Jim Plunkett was really good.
This reporter is a fool. Please review my comment to his jackass video.
I know right. Take him off the list and put Joe Namath on. Namath was a trash quarterback who for some reason everyone talks about like he’s an all time great. He had a 49% career completion percentage, more career interceptions than touchdowns, and only made 1 pro bowl.
@@vincevega1000 LEAVE ME ALONE, I AM GONNA REPORT YOU
@@BD-1-And-Only Namath was a two-time AFL MVP and he was named First Team All-AFL team. "Only one Pro Bowl" is incredibly misleading. Also, Namath had a 50% completion percentage.
@@wvu05 There is more to playing QB than just completing passes. When the QB steps into the huddle he assumes a position of leadership, or the team loses. Plunkett was a leader. Joe Namath was a leader. The greats, Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, were all leaders on and off the field. This video does not understand that and is focused just on passing performance. Some teams are known for a great ground game, which (uh-hmmm) wins football games because it wears out the defense and does not allow the opposing offense time to do anything. Green Bay in the 60's had a great ground game but could also spark an aerial assault that tore up the other team. Great QB's lead the team to do these things. Namath was genius at feeling the pulse of his teammates and the opposing defense.
The best pass I ever saw was thrown by Jim Plunket. My seat was on the 20 yard line. Cliff Branch was running a fly pattern. Plunket let the ball loose from his 30 yard line. The ball was in the air 50 yards. As he crossed the 20 yard line, without looking back, Branch put his hands out waist high and the ball settled into them. The defensive back running stride for stride never knew Branch had the ball!
Damn, my Bucs had their hands on a lot of Super Bowl winning QB’s at some point in their careers.
I feel like you could replace Plunkett with Nick Foles. Aside from the 2017 SB run and that insane 2013 season, Foles has been a fringe starter at best.
He played pretty well in 2018 after Wentz got hurt
@@aioloughlin he couldn't beat minshew or trabisky out
Expand this list to 10 instead of 5, and you could make an argument for Flacco being on it as well.
Foles has Brady’s number, but it is the only one in his rolodex.
@@johns9652 Flacco was a slightly above average quarterback for 4 seasons though. Then he got the contract but the team fell apart (partly due to his contract).
It's absolutely ridiculous to use completion percentage of different era QBs as some kind of barometer to judge "greatness". A completion percentage in the mid 50 percentile was considered par for the course 35+ years ago (i.e. Plunkett, Doug Williams, etc.). It was a lot harder to complete passes back in the day when receivers actually feared going across the middle and offenses didn't have the "dink and dunk" passing attacks that spawned from the early West Coast versions where you use a shorter passing game like they did run back in the day. Today, anything under 65 percent is considered an "inaccurate" passer.
You get it. Most of these statisticians, sports writers and younger fans have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to comparing QBs who played in completely different eras. I actually crunched the numbers for the entire 1970s decade and the average passer rating back then was just under 67%. And that was a time when QBs could basically get pile drived into the turf after they threw the pass, receivers getting mugged down field before the ball even got near them. Rushing the ball and great defenses won most games back then. A QB putting up any rating above a 75 was a top 10 passer in the league back then
Well said. Look back to the 70's, and who had the consistently best completion percentage? A guy named Ken Anderson, who played for Cincinatti...and what offense did they run? Their offensive coordinator was Bill Walsh....and his system already incorporated lots of short, easy throws...just as Montana would be the standard bearer for completion percentage in the 80's, again employing that Walsh system...Today, the game is dominated by offenses that allow lots of easy throws to pad stats...Back in the old days, most guys didn't have that luxury...
Kinda disrespectful to Doug Williams. He did some good work with the upstart Bucs
Bucs were a laughing stock till he showed up. He wasn't great but doesn't belong on this list.
Well he doese because hes another jameis Winston
@Juke Joint so was manzel
@@oscarkawagley4484 Nor does Doug Williams deserve 2 b labeled as a "USFL castoff" bc of his stint w/TB which pred8d the USFL's brief existence.
No doubt
The Ravens dumped Trent Dilfer and lured Elvis Grbac away from the Chiefs with a $30M salary, who then promptly finished out the 2001 season with a QB rating WORSE than Dilfer's the season before. Sadly for the Baltimore Ravens their head coach Brian Billick wouldn't know QB talent even if it bit him in the keister
i’m actually family friends with him and this is so true oml
I bet they wish they kept him 2001
@@rethink62 yeah, I mean think of the talent in regards to receivers they could have put on the field with that $30M, which is almost twice that amount in today's dollars
Yet BIllick was the offensive coordinator on that Vikings team when they went 15 and 1 with Cunningham at QB and Moss and Carter as receivers.
@@waynejohanson1083 he was a rather good OC and performed that job rather well with the Ravens as well. It's when he tried to be GM that his inability to judge talent was laid bare. People need to find their lane, and stay in it 😉
I think you are being too hard on Brad Johnson!
He got JOHN GRUDEN a Super Bowl.
A remarkable achievement in and of itself.
Let's not forget Brad Johnson replaced Trent Dilfer in Tampa - Dilfer was a beneficiary of top defenses for both teams.
Dilfer wasn't with Bucs when they won Super Bowl 37. So he only has the one ring.
Dilfer was exactly who Baltimore needed that season.
Bro you couldve played quarterback for baltimore that season lol. It wouldnt have mattered.
@@TheUndeceived leave Bobby D alone it’s not his fault ya farted
If it wasn’t for Matt Stover the Ravens would have never made it to the Super Bowl…..
And I thought at the time theRavens made a mistake replacing him. Unless there was someone demonstrably better, leave well enough alone.
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Hostetler saved our season that year and had a stellar SB !!! He even got knocked unconscious during a game and came back in for the winning drive. He still put up 20 on the AFC best defense with no mistakes
And he did have a nice career with the Raiders
Plus the guy was a mobile QB which was one of the key reasons why the Giants offensive game plan worked.
@allanhee in 1994, he made the pro bowl with Tim brown. Harvey Williams (rb). They had a pretty good offense but they had a porous defense and a lame head coach in art shell.
LGM!
@@garymatthews1280 lgm?
Trent Dilfer is the greatest stealth quarterback ever. True, he didn't have much arm and couldn't run very fast but he knew how to throw the short pass and he was a better game manger than Brain Billick. He helped to win seven strait games and a super bowl on nothing more than the short pass and the pure determination to win as a team. If Mr. Billick had checked his bruised ego and held on to Trent the Ravens may have gone back to back super bowl wins. Instead it took seven years and 10 different quarterbacks, plus the firing of Brain Billick, to get the Baltimore Ravens back on track to their second super bowl win.
Thanks bro.
Thank you for being a beacon of truth. Billick was the entire reason that Trent got kicked out, for a significantly worse QB in Grbac. Tony Banks was his guy and he was so upset that his guy wasnt the one to win the super bowl. Trent went on to win 15 straight starts for Seattle(as a backup.) A mentor figure that didn't even demand to be a starter after winning a superbowl. That's the kind of guy you hang onto.
Plunkett was the best. He chucked the ball and it was fabulous.
plunkett was good and hosstetler was too. there was a controversy with him and simms
Simms was way better!
@Robert Smith Go watch Dan Marino, John Elway, Warren Moon, and get back to me
@@Embers_YT Exactly, Plunkett and Cliff Branch both deserve HOF.
@@Embers_YT And Montana.
@Robert Smith not even remotely accurate
1:19 in super bowl 53?💀
Is he
Jared golf
Some dyslexic Súper bowl knowledge
I heard that too haha
Considering the string of bum QB's the Ravens had after Dilfer. He was the right man for the job that year. And nobody gave Payton guff for filling a game manager role in 2016. His stats from that year were terrible by any standard.
Exactly. I thought the Ravens were making a mistake then. Unless they were going to bring in someone demonstrably better, leave it alone. Dilfer knew what not to do, and sometimes that is just has important.
Eh Peyton having 1 game manager year isn't a huge deal when he previously had 13 or 14 record breakers lol dilfer was the right man that year for Baltimore but he doesn't have nearly the wiggle room to have a sub average year
Peyton makes fun of himself for that season. Watch him hosting the ESPY's and commenting on the fact that the Broncos carried him.
i think Manning gets a pass since he was arguably the greatest QB ever...just saying.
@crkmt They were a defense heavy team that year. We needed an experienced QB to work off a strong running game. Dilfer also had grit, he played a couple of games including the Super Bowl with a broken finger on his throwing hand.
It's the perfect argument against anyone that says a great QB MUST win a Super Bowl.
Plunkett and Williams were good QBs, who started their careers on teams that were in the cellar (Plunkett on the Pats, Williams on the Bucs). Williams carried the Bucs for many years, and did so often with a very tough running style. By the time Plunkett got out of NE, he was physically in bad shape. He had a good year with the 49ers, and then went to the Raiders. And like Williams, in spite of injuries, they had very good years. Stats can be deceptive. Go back and watch the games and you'll see what I mean.
Also, both QBs were superbowl MVPs. That didn't just happen, they earned it.
Doug Williams and Brad Johnson were both awesome in the SB
Wasn't Doug Williams the MvP with 4 touchdowns 🤦🏿♂️
Yes
It's about a career... 49.5% completion, 100 TD and 93 INT. That's called garbage
@@tankeater Just like others on here throw around thew word great too often - you, like so many other kids, use the word garbage where it doesn't belong. Doug Williams was not garbage in his era - stop comparing stats 40 years ago to today - which is exactly what you are doing. By your argument basically every QB before 1980 was garbage.
Williams was great, I don’t care what anyone says. He was great with the Bucs but hardly anyone could catch his balls, early on.
@Mr. No Weapon (The Prince Of The Talkbox) What the hell is prolly? Type in English!!!
Idk about plunkett being that high, most of his season he wasn’t on a good team and went to a good team and won two super bowls and got mvp
Look at the teams he played on his first years in the league. He was 38-18 with the Raiders.
nick foles? jim plunket and doug williams played in different eras, stats are different than today's wide-open game. brad johnson had some good years, when he got hurt in the bucs super bowl year, the 3 games he missed the bucs averaged 11 pts/game... 3 of their worst 4 games in scoring.. he was a huge part of their success.
Plunkett is a legit HOFer. He was left for dead after New England misused him out of college, a crap 49er team picked him up with a washed up O.J. Simpson, then Davis picked him out of the scrap heat to hold a clipboard and wear a headset for Dan Pastorini. The Raiders were sucking with Pastorini. He broke his leg. Plunkett went in. Results? He finally had a decent team around him. Two Super Bowl wins, one being the MVP.
He beat out Joe Theismann and Archie Manning to win the Heisman, amidst similar criticism. That's when he played the Rose Bowl against Ohio State as an 18 point underdog, and won. He's been a winner his entire life, especially on the big stage.
Numbers don't mean shit. He had the misfortune of using up years of his career on terrible teams and badly run organizations. When he got his chance, he won the biggest game in the NFL twice.
That great team you mentioned he had around him, hadn't won shit in years until he showed up.
Notice that 3 of the 5 QB’s played for Tampa Bay at one time in their careers.
Want to know a Funny Stat? Here is the combined super bowl record of every QB to wear a Bucs Uniform.
Doug Williams - 1-0 (Redskins)
Steve Young - 1-0 (49ers)
Chris Chandler - 0-1 (Falcons)
Trent Dilfer - 1-0 (Ravens)
Brad Johnson - 1-0 (Bucs)
Tom Brady - 6-3 (Patriots, )
Total - 10-4 (with one to go)
@@Papawill13 wow, Brady with this year's start will have twice as many SB appearances as the rest of those QBs combined
@@Papawill13 lmao, there’s a huge outlier there
I feel like Nick foles might be in that category in a couple of years
He is great but he is ass at the same time 🤯🤯🤯
Derek Durand no he wont
I mean when u get benched for Mitch trubisky yeah lol
@@sonnylange7434 No.
One of the worst starting quarterbacks out there and is constantly overhyped because of 2017 til this day. Man got benched for Gardner Minshew and Mitch Trubisky in back to back years and the Jaguars gave up on him after just one season
Don’t care, Dilfer still goes down as a SB winner and our first QB with one at that.
yea and people are morons tbh...fact is the ravens were headed nowhere that year with tony banks at the helm and when they replaced dilfer with grbac the supposed upgrade didnt exactly pan out...Dilfer was exceptionally underrated tbh...he was the QB at the helm when Tampa Bay transformed from a laughing stock into a powerhouse, and regardless of the fact that it was their defense and running game leading the way the team cant do that, ESPECIALLY with Tony Dungy as their HC, if the starting QB actually sucks...
@@dp233332 yes! THANK YOU! People forget how Banks was stinking it up..also the Ravens players loved Dilfer's toughness and they would call out Grbac in 2001 and couldn't stand him!
@@happybeingmiserable4668 Toughness-thats one of the traits that at least used to be required of QBs in order to win the SB which experts and fans sometimes overlooked especially in hindsight when analyzing QBs like Dilfer...he may not have been nearly as good as any of them let alone perfect, but he like Montana Aikman and Warner Trent Dilfer was willing to step into and take the hit to make the throw.
@@dp233332 their performances were damn near the same. Dilfer was maybe slightly less awful, but thats not saying much
@@singingchef23 no their performances werent the same at all but dont let that stop u from lying
Doug Williams had an incredible SB game. His arm was powerful and beautiful to see in motion.
Doug Williams started his career with the brand new TB BUCS. When he got his opportunity at the end of his career with a good team he shined. He was AMAZING in that Superbowl. Also, had he not been injured in the 1979 playoffs THERE IS A REAL POSSIBILITY THAT HE WOULD HAVE LED THE BUCS TO A SUPERBOWL VICTORY.
Tom Brady 1st superbowl win. Was definitely a game manager, 145 yards passing and 1 touchdown, the defense held the greatest show on turf to 17 points.
Brady the ultimate dink and dunk QB. He's the only QB in NFL history to score 13 or fewer points in a SB and still get the win, SB XXXVI and SB LIII, every other QB in SB history 0-25 when scoring 13 or fewer points. Brady 2-0 when scoring 13 or fewer points in a SB.
@@thegoat164 Ok 🤡
If it wasn't for the phantom Tuck Rule that game would not have happened.
Not to mention the great defenses, kickers, special teams, offensive lines, recievers, coaches, pampering penalties, scandalous balls, and referees that carried him to championships that are forgotten about.
Tbf that Rams defense was insane. Brady did what he always does. He was clutch. At the time, QB were not supposed to move the ball that quickly up the field. He had a game winning drive shocking everyone even the commentators
I don't know, I feel a case can be made for Trent Dilfer only, as I think Doug Williams, Brad Johnson, Jim Plunkett, & Jeff Hostetler were pretty good (Williams was hampered by organizational mistrust and salary lowballing, but I think he was maturing as a passer; as other posters have said, Plunkett was dealt a bad hand and beaten down pretty bad by his Patriots experience. I think Johnson might be underrated a bit, and Hostetler was more of an unknown who later proved to be a capable NFL starter).
Dilfer is the only one on the list who was literally average. But Ravens should’ve never gotten rid of him because Grbac was horrible.
They didn't perform good
I get that it was a different era, and I get that we love these guys, and they even won MVP awards and Super Bowl MVPs... but Joe Namath, the dude only had 2 seasons where he threw more TD's than interceptions and had a completion percentage for his career of 50.1. And Terry Bradshaw who ended his career with only 2 more Tuds than interceptions and a completion percentage rating of 51.9. Now I will say Bradshaw probably doesn't deserve to be on this list, but I do think he is overrated, especially when you have Franco Harris in the backfield and that Steel Curtain.
Amen to Joe Namath. He is so overrated. Only reason he is in the HOF is because he played for a NY team.
@@Tony-r7v 😂 Yeaaaa you need to do a lil more research then numbers. Joe Willie is the only reason the AFC exists today, had he not went to NY and the Jets don’t win that SB the merger doesn’t happen. You can’t write the history of the NFL without Joe Willie and thats what the HOF is about not numbers.
Bradshaw is INSANELY overrated. He played well in some big games, but another perspective on that is that it shows he DIDN'T do his best the rest of the time. Lynn Swann and John Stallworth DEFINITELY improved Bradshaw's stats with strong effort on their parts.
And contemporaneous QB's with much weaker supporting casts have much better QB ratings (ref: Greg Landry, for a glaring example).
Bradshaw also has to be the WORST highlight narrator I've EVER seen. He is a BLIGHT on Fox NFL with his idiotic cornpone schtick and constant fumble-mouthing.
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@@TeezyHadaBabyNamath was elevating teams that otherwise would have never been close. Who else was even getting them to the playoffs? An aging Babe Parilli? I don't THINK so.
@@richardadams4928 Man at the end of the day if the Jets don’t win that SB the NFL wouldn’t have merged with the AFL because they would have been an inferior league. It’s not about anything else, not his damn numbers nothing. Those guys didn’t have to go out there and be Brady or Peyton, numbers are empty stats ESPECIALLY when the numbers of games change over time. You CAN NOT wrote the History of professional Football without mentioning Joe Willie with that #1 finger in the air running into the tunnel. That sir is one of the most iconic moments in football history.
I'm a Ravens & Eagles fan I remember when the Ravens started and that game against the Giants was TREMENDOUS with the Ravens scoring more on defense & special teams than the Giants did all together..
Ravens AND EAGLES fan!??? Bro I am a Ravens fan and Eagles fans get on my damn nerves. How the hell do you support both teams? Lol. Ironically, i rarely have issues with cowboys fans
@@underwood517 well the Ravens were not around when I started watching football. And the Baltimore colts were before my time. The Eagles was my pops team and my grandfather's team so I kinda went that way but when the Ravens came into existence I LOVED THE WAY THEY PLAYED...
@freeman4real makes sense, but still.... that's almost like saying you are a fan of the Ravens and Titans... it feels almost impossible to love both😂😂
During the era that those QB's played in defenses were allowed to hit them just like they hit any other player. Coaches used to place a bounty on the QB's head for any player to receive if they managed to knock the QB out of the game. QB's were not allowed to simply go into a baseball slide and be protected from getting clobbered, blows to the head were not only allowed they were encouraged, going for the knees was encouraged also. The modern-day QB is treated like he is a primadonna, and he needs to wear a pair of Daisy-Dukes.
Yea that's what I say to people talk shit about namath all you want but no qb today could survive a season in his era tho the real guy I wish we could have seen in the modern era is Johnny Unitas first qb to break 30,000 and 40,000 passing yards in a career a 3 time NFL Champion and winner of superbowl V
For all the flack Trent Dilfer gets, two things to remember:
1. He was a leader on the offensive side of the ball, unlike Tony Banks and Elvis Grbac
2. _Aside_ from Shannon Sharpe, who did he have to throw to? Qadry Ismail? Patrick Johnson? Brandon Stokley?
Good QB's can make a star out of nobodies. Example: Wes welker
@@cyrus198604 Wes welker was a very good WR. He had 5 straight all pro teams. Welker is in a very exclusive list of WR having 5 or more straight all pro selections. Players I know have 5 or more straight: jerry rice, antonio brown, julio jones, Marvin Harrison, Tony Gonzalez (TE), Travis kelce (TE). Elite players who didn't do it: Terrell Owens, Megatron, Randy Moss, Cris carter, Isaac bruce, Tory Holt, Larry Fitzgerald and most WR in the hall of fame. Not many receivers can say that. It wasn't just Brady. If that was just the result of having brady at QB, why troy brown, danny amendola, julian edelman, deion branch, Chris Hogan didn't have the statistics that Welker put with the Patriots...
Exactly. From what I saw from the documentary of that Super Bowl win, he was very pragmatic and understood that his job on offense was to just get 1 touchdown and not fuck over the defense. It might sound silly, but not everybody has the ability to be fine with looking like absolute dog shit on the field in the name of winning. Dilfer played his role well and they should have brought him back. I think their head coach at the time was an offensive guy and he couldn’t stand winning games with such a bad offense, so he kinda tried to fix what wasn’t broken
idk who had a worse receiving core in the early 2000s the Ravens or the Eagles smh
Stokley was pretty good for the Colts.
Notice the guys playing back in the 70s/80s All have low completion percentages. That’s how it was back then, remember in those days DBs we’re allowed to do everything except tackle Wideouts all of the way down the field.
On top of that one of the people on their, Doug Williams played on the early bucs which is an even bigger disadvantage.
With this in mind, the NFL also completely overhauled the pass interference rules and introduced roughing the passer penalties in 1978 to increase scoring after the "dead ball" era of 1970-1977.
@@MRB16th scoring after the dead ball?
@@jrsmith1998 The "dead ball" relates to the average points per game dropping to 17.2 in 1977.
I am a Washington Redskins fan, and really felt Mark Rypien fit into Joe Gibbs system well ( 3 different quarterbacks in 3 SB wins). He studied and practiced for years until his number was called. A brave player who fought through injuries. I recall the season after the Skins 91-92 SB. He nearly pulled out the win in the muddy last playoff game vs 49ers. That being said Mark had a completion ratio of 56.1% career, and a 59% in his SB winning season. I fear he might be worthy of this list.
For that matter I see that Joe Theismanns career percentage is nearly the same as Rypiens at 56.75%.
A Redskins fan and not a Commanders fan. I love that. To me they will always be the Washington Redskins.
Trent Dilfer knew he had the best defense in the league along with an automatic kicker in Matt Stover so he became a great game manager for our Ravens. To let someone go that just took us from a losing streak to winning a Super Bowl is beyond my comprehension given the fact that Trent understood that as long as he gave our #1 defense time to rest in the game we've got a shot at winning every single game. Thank you for managing that Baltimore Ravens 2000 Super Bowl Victory Trent Dilfer.
I love trent as a person, but even I know he's not the reason they won the super bowl. The offense wasn't elite, but it wasn't mistake prone, which is why later defense-first teams like the 2006 Bears couldn't win the title.
The fact that all these guys have the same amount of rings as Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees, and one of them has MORE, is criminal.
I love it
Doug Williams was a baller
I thought the thumbnail was Lamar Jackson😭😭
try reading up on NFL History The Leagues first Premier Player was Red Grange Of The Chicago Bears in 1925 and in 1920 American Professional Football Association (APFA) not the NFL
I thought it was joe flaco
u guys don’t watch elite 11?
None of you guys watch football or something?
Never remember lamar being white 😂
There out here disrespecting Doug Williams he was pretty good in Tampa he led them to the nfc champion ship game in 1979 and he was the the 1978 rookie 1st team and led them to 3 playoff berths when they where nothing
Exactly
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@@JenErik-_- you really must have no life to spell check someone
@@shakeamcunningham5539 Lol oh wow no life you say? Damn that hurt so bad 😂😂
@@JenErik-_- I know right
Honestly Trent Dilfers legacy is legendary.
I played HS ball for Dilfer’s HS coach. He came and spoke to our team one year during summer camp back in early 00’s. I remember feeling conflicted because here’s an NFL QB… but I was thoroughly unimpressed lol.
Trent in super bowl 53? Hmmm I’d remember that lol wouldn’t we guys?
lol yea
he was a good qb
LOL It's SB 35😃
He still got the numbers right 3 and a 5
Dilfer is still a legend. He runs the elite 11 program which has had many elite nfl quarterbacks come up through the elite 11 competition!
Nah.....he's a clown. He was a trash player, and all the good players go to elite camps, not his. He didnt create elite 11.....lmao
brad johnson is far from being a "worst"
The problem is the winning list is a really good QB list so it’s hard to really say who was worst
Brad Johnson was on a tear for the Vikings in 05
Football is the only sport where people think that championship victories are equivalent to how good you are of a player. I remember going on the old ESPN forums and saw dudes on there who swore that Trent Dilfer was a better QB than Dan Marino because he won a Super Bowl
Best new channel
Agreed
Yeah it’s only been a year
Scott Fisher hands down don’t @ me
@Hacks. org I think he meant news
Cutting Dilfer was half the reason the Ravens didn’t repeat. He was far from spectacular but he was a solid leader and the locker room respected him.
The other reason was Jamal Lewis’s injury. Those two things don’t happen and I don’t think the Patriots sniff the Super Bowl in 2002.
The main reason they didn't repeat was Ray Lewis' season ending injury. Not only was he a top defensive player in the league but he was also the leader of the team. He only played in 5 games the 2002 season.
Two great points. Plus Dilfer I always made one big play in every game. Especially in the playoffs.
Please solid leader ? if it was for Jason seahorn two blown covers, things would had been different he should gotten the mvp trophy for winning the Super Bowl for ravens 😮
I’m so tired of all the Dilfer disrespect. Dude was a smart QB who did what the team needed: put aside his ego and played within his limitations. Game Manager? Heck yeah, he managed them to a Lombardi Trophy! That Ravens team was 5-and-3 with Tony Banks at QB, after the change to Dilfer they went 11-and-1.
Touchdown Tony wasn’t the answer?
Dilfer was handed a good team and the defense was the cherry on top. And what ego did he put aside? He didn’t have an ego to begin with cuz he was a backup QB. All Dilfer had to do is not mess up that much and do what he was told. It’s not like he had to put the whole team on his back and carry them to a super bowl win. With his experience and doing what he was told to do on the field is what made it happen for them. But like I said, defense was a BIG part of them winning that season. If Dilfer had a so/so defense that year I guarantee you they don’t make it to the bowl. Baltimore got what they needed out of him and cut him right after that season. If Dilfer was the main reason that Baltimore wins the super bowl don’t you think they would have gave him a contract extension? The owner and GM knew exactly what Dilfer brought to that team and all he had to do was put it on cruise control and listen and do as he was told to. And it wasn’t him(Dilfer) who was the “game manager”. It was his coaches who told him how to game manage so they could get them wins
@@bigzoo895 He was a number 4 overall pick. It doesnt matter if "you're the backup" if you're good enough to make it to the NFL and then good enough to go in the top 5, you're going to think highly of yourself. Also, if you watch hard knocks, Billick HATED Trent and really didnt put him in until he was basically forced to because Tony was his guy and he wanted him to succeed far past the point of failure. He would relentlessly yell at Trent and get mad about stuff that was so small but constantly coddle Tony over making huge mistakes. He resented Trent and the fact that Ozzie was the one who brought him in, not Brian. Billick talked them into ditching Dilfer who would have been rightfully owed a bigger contract and getting Grbac for a huge amount that was a complete flop, another one of his guys who was significantly worse than Trent in Baltimore.
Dont talk highly of "the coaches" who "managed" Trent as if they were the ones who made him succeed. The offensive coaches were failures through and through. Billick was brought in to power up the offense because he coached the Vikings who were great....because they had Randy Moss and Cris Carter. His biggest achievement in the end was having a great defense. What a visionary. Meanwhile Trent went on to have a strongly winning record in starts over the rest of his career, going six and 10 in one season with a perpetually terrible Browns team being his only losing campaign. "Proved it with the rest of his career" you mean the 15 straight victories in starts for the Seahawks? Imagine if he had been with the Ravens for those, they would repeat as champs.
Joe Theismann said it the best: Calling a quarterback a game manager in a diminutive maner shows how little someone knows about the game. Managing the game is what every quarterback's job is. Every decision a quarterback makes is based on managing the game. If you're a good game manager, you're a good quarterback.
Stop talking out your ass like you know what you're even saying.
@@booradley6832 Man. That’s crazy. But it’s believable. Look at belicheat. He ran Brady out of New England. People don’t understand that the QB still has to execute the plays and make split second decisions.
It's kind of an insult to put Doug Williams on this list. He was a capable starter who floundered in Tampa Bay for years. No one could succeed there back then.
I remember Williams. He was a pioneer. Black QBs were a novelty in them days.
I guarantee you anything that Dan Marino would trade places with anyone of these guys
Then the press could have asked him how long he had been an orange quarterback.....I guess that one actually has an answer. "Soon as I got to Miami from Pittsburgh."
You're right, of course, but I doubt that any of those guys could have beaten the '85 Bears.
What superbowl though?
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Right because we're better than him.
I think if you asked any one of those guys if they'd trade places with someone like Dan Marino or Jim Kelly they'd say, "Thanks, I'm good."
How do you put Plunkett and Williams on here but missed Flacco and Rypien?
Plunkett? Come on, you've got to be kidding. The man was a beast.
Glaring Omission: Joe Namath, career losing record, career stats of 173 TDs vs 220 INTs. In his Super Bowl, he only threw for 206 yards and 0 TDs. Was expecting him to be # 1 on this list, where he belongs.
Greatest "one-hit wonder" in sports history.
@@blackfreethinker2525 In HoF for boastful prediction that came true and pantyhose commercials. He's not even responsible for the NFL-AFL merger, which was happening anyway.
Disrespect on Plunkett give him more credit he was unemployed for two years
The funniest thing about this list is that if the Ravens somehow loss that first Super Bowl, Kerry Collins would've been mentioned 🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣 youre allright
Sadly enough, they let Dilfer have the “I’m going to Disneyland!!” line after the game vs the best MLB ever in Ray Lewis.
It was unfair, but that whole murder trial thing made it impossible.
It's traditional for the winning qb to say it, not the mvp
Anybody who calls Brad Johnson anything other than very good doesn't know anything about football.
I consider that Jim McMahon should have been mentioned.