Superb video! My humble opinion is that Viktor Axelsen in many ways mirrors LCW's game. When LCW was hitting his prime from 2010 and after, he played a very attack-focused game, that usually was too much for all his opponents with the exception LD and later Chen Long. I remember Steen Pedersen (or it could be Morten Frost) commentating once that LCW was afraid of CL's defence, probably at one of the world finals or the 2016 Olympic final that CL won. The difference between VA and LCW is that, where VA has the superior height and reach, LCW had better mobility and better technical skills. We do not see much trickery or deception from VA because he simply didn't need to use them. His game plan is simple: play close to the net, and if he has to give away the attack, he can rely on his reach to defend well. On the other hand, it is needless to say what he can do if he gets the lift. I think LCW used a similar strategy, albeit with more technical skills involved because he is not as tall as VA. I believe that, arguably, LCW could be what VA is today, if LD or CL were not on the circuit. Obviously at this point, I can't avoid mentioning Kento Momota. He was to VA what LD, and later CL, was to LCW. One of the Danish coaches actually said that for some reason, VA's attacks could not bite prime KM the way it did other players. Like LD and LCW, KM and VA were the two that were some distance ahead of the rest (VA won his first world title in 2017, when KM wasn't around). And like LD to LCW, prime KM was ahead of VA. I think pre-accident KM had what LD had, the anticipation, smooth footwork, and a sturdy defence, even against the likes of VA. Hey, please keep the videos coming mate!
Not only Momota but also Chen Long and LCW, despite their age. Basically the Golden Era had defense and far superior net shots - Momota fit that description, but the rest of modern day badminton is sludge compared to 2005-2020 (ending with Momota's accident) From 2017-2020 Momota had a 96% winrate against every but 9-9 against CL (older) and LCW (really old) showing the difference in eras.
Bro, like you want to make two versions of Lin Dan (2008, 2019), in the similar way, pls do make the video comparison of Kento Momota of 2019 vs that with an after accident version of Momota.
The Momota one would just be sad. I watched peak Momota win the german open i think against some guy, playing like a god, and then the recent one, for comparison - same venue same tournament, same opponent, but his attack had no bite, he still had the racket skills but no real identity or plan to his game, and he seemed half a step slow. Since, he had a few little flashes - there was a tournament where he kind of remembered he's an all time great and tore LKY apart and gave Viditsarn a good fight, maybe won, gave Shi YuQi a good fight, either in that tournament or the next one. But yea, losing to guys like Gemke in the first round.
Since i was very young and I started watch them in 2011 you though LCW always lost Lin Dan in final set with just two points like 19:21,21:23, I think the difference is Lcw is just lost on mentality but when you trace back their h2h record against Lin Dan 12wins 28 loses big gap like that this embodies not only mentality can explain and it shows Lin Dan has better techniques and game inteligence
bro, please make a analysis video on Ginting's game. He was meant to be the next big thing after momota. He beat momota multiple times in his prime, even made chen long look like a noob, but he lost his way along. His speed and deception are still top notch, but he make too many errors continuously and put pressure on himself. Btw, your videos are too good and really informative, i have already applied some of your teachings in my gameplay. Wish you all the best
The key to Lin Dan's game is that the things he does are so dominant that people have difficulty even if their defense is good. If your defense is mediocre in some aspects, then, it's game over.
I dont know if you have made this video yet, but i think itd be great if you made a video breaking down how lcw beat ld in the olympics and how lcw made adjustments on his game, comparing it to this video. ❤❤
This video could have just as easily demonstrated how Lee Chong Wei got his points. Each player has his own strategy. The final outcome is due both to how successful one's strategy is as well as a dose of good luck.
This was both of their peaks IMO. LD was deceptive, and anticipated better than anyone i ever saw. I agree about the front court hold-and-flick and the attempts to break LCW's rhythm which you highlight, which effectively countered LCW's speed. But LCW was nothing lacking in the rear court, technically. Even in the power department, Lin Dan's forte, if you watch the AE final from the same year, it was LCW who imposed his power on Lin Dan. Where i think LCW lacked in the rear court was shot selection. Very often he would go into a random shot generator mode - all high quality shots but without any clear strategic plan - especially in long rallies. Against 99% of players, the speed and quality would wear them down but peak Lin Dan would capitalize and take control of the rally. The worst habit of LCW was in a neutral rally to pump a crosscourt attack clear into LD's backhand - LD's round the head smash was too good and he was giving LD a smash down the line from a base position where he couldn't get it without a dive. Against LD to have any chance, you have to force him to hit crosscourt smashes or attack the line you're closest to. XC is lower percentage, for anyone. You play old school, clear straight or central most of the time, if you must cross clear, cross clear deep, and give yourself the time, and use the net exchanges to switch play. Second bad habit of LCW, less bad but still annoying for a LCW fan like me, overdoing it with the crosscourt smash. Lin Dan was really good at defending it, and again it gives LD a line to play down, and robs LCW's time. Third one... rear court passivity. Quite often Lin dan would probe with attack clears, forehand against forehand, and LCW just play safe drop, after safe drop, safe clears but not really getting behind the shuttle.. then lin dan anticipates gets in and gets an advantage at the net. You might be right about LD just being more natural at the stick smash, LCW never seemed to use it, to the same extent. LD was always about imposing his power, and in the reverse situation you could hit some attack clears into LCW's backcourt and know the worst thing you might have to deal with was a deceptive drop. Last thing i'll say - you do realize this was the closest final i've seen at an Olympics? This could have gone either way.
Can you post a video where you point out every badminton move and who has mastered it the best. For example: Lee chong wei = Footwork Shen Long = Clear Deception = ... etc.
Seeing as you're on the LD vs LCW path, I think a break down of the Thaihot China Open would be cool, breaking down how LCW managed to beat LD for the first time in years :)
why does lin dan hardly use correctional steps? it seems like he is always on rhythm or his correction steps are so small that his weight shifts much more easily than other players. is this just strength and hip mobility that allows him to do that
Much of it comes with experience and game read. The quality of shot determine the options, those options determine the type of footwork to execute (leg+body position). Also LD has incredible forehand strength allowing him to do late clears that reach cross court if needed. This means his lower body didn't have to be involved so much in the power transfer allowing him to move with more patience. You can see peoples struggling generating power when they are late hence the stress on the footwork because of lack of confidence. Most of his guess work is processed in his mind where other players engage their body action.
Because hes reading the game and one of the most importsnt things his core and his legs they are so stable just so stable and strong and his legs react so quick that he doesnt have to be out of position
LCW always looked like he struggled on his late backcourt shots especially with his forehand. Lin Dan knew this very well and in most of their matches, Lin Dan wins way too many points out of sloppy shots off of LCW’s late forehand.
to be honest, it all boils down to the world number 1 curse at this point chong wei was world number 1 for the past 4 years since 2008, and some how 09 10 both lost at quaters
I think the most crucial factor is mental superiority ... LD is a clutch god. He's always able to raise or at least maintain his highest level when on the brink of victory or defeat. How many times have we seen LCW play too safe or make errors when on the brink of winning or losing, he seems to succumb to nerves during the big moments against LD. Other than that, LD's defence is also his most underrated weapon, the number of times he's able to miraculously return deadly smashes and unsavable shots is what nobody, not even LCW, can come close to matching ... and he does it so simply, by simply blocks ... they look simple thats why people do not notice how miraculous those saves are but the technique behind those returns are hard to even explain logically, it takes not just practise but a natural touch to execute them repeatedly ... Lastly I think its his predatory instinct to sense blood when LCW is even slightly out of position, you can feel how prepared he is when setting up his shots to draw LCW into a weak position when he can always make his 1-2 punch (usually a back court smash followed quickly by a kill at the net) to work, from my observation his tactics work 80-100% of the time, LCW never quite figure out how to get out of LD's tactic till the end of his career ... he had to wait till LD no longer feels the need to train so hard due to the emergence of Chen Long sharing the burden of China's expectations ... by the time he beat LD at the 3rd olympics meeting, its no longer enough to win gold as Chen Long is there waiting to pick him off in the final ...
I try to summarize the ability of badminton players into: intelligence, shoot quality, foodwork, stamina/physicality , and mentality, I define intelligence as the quality to adapt your game to the match condition and to change the playstyle as they are aging. The 4 other parameters should be self-explantory. Lindan and Axelsen had all of them, they age well like wine. Lee chongwei, as you said did not that good shoot quality and mental strength. The MSs at the moment, except Axelsen, perhaps only one or two of them at the top level. Example, SYQ did not prepare the game enough for the olympics (lack of intelligence) and did not have the mental quality to go through difficult match (can not find solution to Kun in the olympic). To be honest the other person who seems to have all of them at the moment is, as you expected, An se young. So, I do not expect a lot of challenges for the two of them in years forward.
This dude is deep, he knows badminton in a very high level.
in the Highest level
I must admit this is the best breakdown video on dan and wei.
I love your break downs, rare are the peoples who can dissect the game like this. That's one reason I like Steen commentaries during matches.
Id love for you guys to breakdown how chinese taipei won back to back olympic gold medals in the MD category
china lost so many points on service faults in the last game it was kind of crazy.
@@jrdelrey3009 Yep - especially Wang Chang
@@jrdelrey3009were they fair in your opinion?
@@jrdelrey3009it was their first Olympics, also reminded me of Malaysian MD in rio 2016 final against china same story
Superb video!
My humble opinion is that Viktor Axelsen in many ways mirrors LCW's game. When LCW was hitting his prime from 2010 and after, he played a very attack-focused game, that usually was too much for all his opponents with the exception LD and later Chen Long. I remember Steen Pedersen (or it could be Morten Frost) commentating once that LCW was afraid of CL's defence, probably at one of the world finals or the 2016 Olympic final that CL won.
The difference between VA and LCW is that, where VA has the superior height and reach, LCW had better mobility and better technical skills. We do not see much trickery or deception from VA because he simply didn't need to use them. His game plan is simple: play close to the net, and if he has to give away the attack, he can rely on his reach to defend well. On the other hand, it is needless to say what he can do if he gets the lift.
I think LCW used a similar strategy, albeit with more technical skills involved because he is not as tall as VA. I believe that, arguably, LCW could be what VA is today, if LD or CL were not on the circuit.
Obviously at this point, I can't avoid mentioning Kento Momota. He was to VA what LD, and later CL, was to LCW. One of the Danish coaches actually said that for some reason, VA's attacks could not bite prime KM the way it did other players. Like LD and LCW, KM and VA were the two that were some distance ahead of the rest (VA won his first world title in 2017, when KM wasn't around). And like LD to LCW, prime KM was ahead of VA.
I think pre-accident KM had what LD had, the anticipation, smooth footwork, and a sturdy defence, even against the likes of VA.
Hey, please keep the videos coming mate!
Not only Momota but also Chen Long and LCW, despite their age.
Basically the Golden Era had defense and far superior net shots - Momota fit that description, but the rest of modern day badminton is sludge compared to 2005-2020 (ending with Momota's accident)
From 2017-2020 Momota had a 96% winrate against every but 9-9 against CL (older) and LCW (really old) showing the difference in eras.
@@jayceh Didn't know about that win % that Kento had. Nice! No wonder he was sweeping all before him in 2018 and 2019.
@@KeithHiewhe broke lcws record of most titles in a year
top notch Highly Knowledgeable Analysis MAN!!!! Lin DAN himself will get to learn something from this😂😂😂😂😂😂
This gotta be one of the best analysis video ever
hell yeah the best analyzer is back with a new vid 😎😎❤❤
Goated analysis. We need more people like you
Netshot a game point😮. Truely phenomenal considering the stake!
Video dropped 44 seconds ago, what a good timing!
Great video for young ones to understand the game. Badminton is missing these kind of top rivalries that will take the game up.
Great analysis
Bro, like you want to make two versions of Lin Dan (2008, 2019), in the similar way, pls do make the video comparison of Kento Momota of 2019 vs that with an after accident version of Momota.
The Momota one would just be sad. I watched peak Momota win the german open i think against some guy, playing like a god, and then the recent one, for comparison - same venue same tournament, same opponent, but his attack had no bite, he still had the racket skills but no real identity or plan to his game, and he seemed half a step slow. Since, he had a few little flashes - there was a tournament where he kind of remembered he's an all time great and tore LKY apart and gave Viditsarn a good fight, maybe won, gave Shi YuQi a good fight, either in that tournament or the next one. But yea, losing to guys like Gemke in the first round.
Hello, so glad to see you
you provide damn good insights about the sport
Since i was very young and I started watch them in 2011 you though LCW always lost Lin Dan in final set with just two points like 19:21,21:23, I think the difference is Lcw is just lost on mentality but when you trace back their h2h record against Lin Dan 12wins 28 loses big gap like that this embodies not only mentality can explain and it shows Lin Dan has better techniques and game inteligence
Very good analysis.
Great video!
bro, please make a analysis video on Ginting's game. He was meant to be the next big thing after momota. He beat momota multiple times in his prime, even made chen long look like a noob, but he lost his way along. His speed and deception are still top notch, but he make too many errors continuously and put pressure on himself. Btw, your videos are too good and really informative, i have already applied some of your teachings in my gameplay. Wish you all the best
The Goat is back with the video of the Goat ❤
The key to Lin Dan's game is that the things he does are so dominant that people have difficulty even if their defense is good. If your defense is mediocre in some aspects, then, it's game over.
keep the videos you are amazing
这是我认为最精彩的一场林李大战，当时看得直播，看得我都手心冒汗心跳加速紧张到不行。林丹的大心脏太牛了。最后的两个李宗伟赛点林丹是真坚决果断的重杀挽救赛点，这看得人心惊肉跳，毕竟容不得失误这个时候。而李宗伟也许在这个时候心理上有了一点小波动，毕竟距离冠军太近了，难免手有点软，没有林丹那么果断。
undoubtedly best match ever
AWESOME BREAKDOWN!! thank you so much!! do one on LCW biggest win which I think was during the Olympics where he beat LD to fight for gold
It was 2016 Olympic that was the semi final. He beat Lin Dan but lost to Chen Long in the final.
I dont know if you have made this video yet, but i think itd be great if you made a video breaking down how lcw beat ld in the olympics and how lcw made adjustments on his game, comparing it to this video. ❤❤
This video could have just as easily demonstrated how Lee Chong Wei got his points. Each player has his own strategy. The final outcome is due both to how successful one's strategy is as well as a dose of good luck.
Still the undisputed GOAT!
This was both of their peaks IMO.
LD was deceptive, and anticipated better than anyone i ever saw. I agree about the front court hold-and-flick and the attempts to break LCW's rhythm which you highlight, which effectively countered LCW's speed. But LCW was nothing lacking in the rear court, technically. Even in the power department, Lin Dan's forte, if you watch the AE final from the same year, it was LCW who imposed his power on Lin Dan. Where i think LCW lacked in the rear court was shot selection. Very often he would go into a random shot generator mode - all high quality shots but without any clear strategic plan - especially in long rallies. Against 99% of players, the speed and quality would wear them down but peak Lin Dan would capitalize and take control of the rally.
The worst habit of LCW was in a neutral rally to pump a crosscourt attack clear into LD's backhand - LD's round the head smash was too good and he was giving LD a smash down the line from a base position where he couldn't get it without a dive. Against LD to have any chance, you have to force him to hit crosscourt smashes or attack the line you're closest to. XC is lower percentage, for anyone. You play old school, clear straight or central most of the time, if you must cross clear, cross clear deep, and give yourself the time, and use the net exchanges to switch play.
Second bad habit of LCW, less bad but still annoying for a LCW fan like me, overdoing it with the crosscourt smash. Lin Dan was really good at defending it, and again it gives LD a line to play down, and robs LCW's time.
Third one... rear court passivity. Quite often Lin dan would probe with attack clears, forehand against forehand, and LCW just play safe drop, after safe drop, safe clears but not really getting behind the shuttle.. then lin dan anticipates gets in and gets an advantage at the net. You might be right about LD just being more natural at the stick smash, LCW never seemed to use it, to the same extent. LD was always about imposing his power, and in the reverse situation you could hit some attack clears into LCW's backcourt and know the worst thing you might have to deal with was a deceptive drop.
Last thing i'll say - you do realize this was the closest final i've seen at an Olympics? This could have gone either way.
Can you post a video where you point out every badminton move and who has mastered it the best.
For example:
Lee chong wei = Footwork
Shen Long = Clear
Deception = ...
etc.
Seeing as you're on the LD vs LCW path, I think a break down of the Thaihot China Open would be cool, breaking down how LCW managed to beat LD for the first time in years :)
why does lin dan hardly use correctional steps? it seems like he is always on rhythm or his correction steps are so small that his weight shifts much more easily than other players. is this just strength and hip mobility that allows him to do that
Much of it comes with experience and game read.
The quality of shot determine the options, those options determine the type of footwork to execute (leg+body position).
Also LD has incredible forehand strength allowing him to do late clears that reach cross court if needed.
This means his lower body didn't have to be involved so much in the power transfer allowing him to move with more patience.
You can see peoples struggling generating power when they are late hence the stress on the footwork because of lack of confidence.
Most of his guess work is processed in his mind where other players engage their body action.
It's his ability to read the opponent, that allows him to prepare for the next shot most of the time.
He's really good at anticipating because he usually has high shot quality and knows where you'll most likely hit it.
He controls opponent faster, it is a built up.
Because hes reading the game and one of the most importsnt things his core and his legs they are so stable just so stable and strong and his legs react so quick that he doesnt have to be out of position
Well in summary Super Dan is God of badminton...there is no comparison..
Please also analyze on LCW side on this match. I'm sure he had a strategy too. Thanks
True mental strength is his big edge vs LCW
Can u make a video on Lin dan 2008
Analysis 2008 Beijing Olympic Lin Dan
i think the all england 2006 sf LD vs LCW is their best match of their all matches all thime
Lakshya Sen vs Victor axelson....😊
please do chinese mens doubles Liang Wang
I miss Lin Dan and Lee Chong Wei's rivalry. Especially Lin Dan, he seems to do court walk.
If they face in the finals you already know who gonna win
So lin dan’s split step happen when the shuttle to be hit or about to be hit ?
Lin Dan was playing chess
Can you make a video about why Indian players never reached the highest level
LCW always looked like he struggled on his late backcourt shots especially with his forehand. Lin Dan knew this very well and in most of their matches, Lin Dan wins way too many points out of sloppy shots off of LCW’s late forehand.
The 2011 LD was the most perfect badminton player ever
How to do a correctional steps?
Even though analysis says LCW has the fastest steps looking at the video LD barely moves and so smooth on his foot rarely looses his balance..
More Lin Dan analysis videos please
Can you do about Nguyễn Thuỳ Linh strategy in VỉetNam open pls
to be honest, it all boils down to the world number 1 curse
at this point chong wei was world number 1 for the past 4 years since 2008, and some how 09 10 both lost at quaters
I think the most crucial factor is mental superiority ... LD is a clutch god.
He's always able to raise or at least maintain his highest level when on the brink of victory or defeat.
How many times have we seen LCW play too safe or make errors when on the brink of winning or losing, he seems to succumb to nerves during the big moments against LD.
Other than that, LD's defence is also his most underrated weapon, the number of times he's able to miraculously return deadly smashes and unsavable shots is what nobody, not even LCW, can come close to matching ... and he does it so simply, by simply blocks ... they look simple thats why people do not notice how miraculous those saves are but the technique behind those returns are hard to even explain logically, it takes not just practise but a natural touch to execute them repeatedly ...
Lastly I think its his predatory instinct to sense blood when LCW is even slightly out of position, you can feel how prepared he is when setting up his shots to draw LCW into a weak position when he can always make his 1-2 punch (usually a back court smash followed quickly by a kill at the net) to work, from my observation his tactics work 80-100% of the time, LCW never quite figure out how to get out of LD's tactic till the end of his career ... he had to wait till LD no longer feels the need to train so hard due to the emergence of Chen Long sharing the burden of China's expectations ... by the time he beat LD at the 3rd olympics meeting, its no longer enough to win gold as Chen Long is there waiting to pick him off in the final ...
Lin dan watching this video: It is not that deep broo😮
how to play AGAINST the 4 corner style?
Lin dan is the Cristiano Ronaldo of badminton 🐐 as simple as that !!
The strategy is to be Lin Din, basically.
I try to summarize the ability of badminton players into: intelligence, shoot quality, foodwork, stamina/physicality , and mentality, I define intelligence as the quality to adapt your game to the match condition and to change the playstyle as they are aging. The 4 other parameters should be self-explantory. Lindan and Axelsen had all of them, they age well like wine. Lee chongwei, as you said did not that good shoot quality and mental strength. The MSs at the moment, except Axelsen, perhaps only one or two of them at the top level. Example, SYQ did not prepare the game enough for the olympics (lack of intelligence) and did not have the mental quality to go through difficult match (can not find solution to Kun in the olympic). To be honest the other person who seems to have all of them at the moment is, as you expected, An se young. So, I do not expect a lot of challenges for the two of them in years forward.
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Axelsen is hard to win anyone of them
Great video!