NA vs. NB Miata's Compared!
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
- Struggling to decide between buying an 1st gen NA Miata or a 2nd gen NB? In this video we compare and contrast both models and cover the pro's and con's of each!
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Price in the US are crazy low. Here in France, a regular NA without rust is sold around 8000€ / 10 000 USD
Video is a bit off on the pricing. Depends on region too. A *pristine* or nearly pristine NA can be anywhere between 8-12k in the US, especially for special edition (BRG, M, STO) ones. A solid, mechanically sorted, cosmetic rust only daily driver grade car with little or no mods in the US is about 5-6k sometimes as high as 8 with desirable options like a hardtop or the torsen LSD. Higher than the past, but it's only going to go up. These were mass market cars that were generally not preserved. So many have been heavily modded and many more tracked or crashed, that there's no possible way short of a massive economic crash far worse than covid that these will go down in value again.
I agree Europe is way more expensive than the US, its same here in Spain
His "average" is like a clapped out 150k mile car which is what $3k gets you in an NA model
@@rjherche Correct. A lot of people online talk about a "worthwhile" miata purchase being cosmetic rust, 150k+ miles, etc. Some others, like myself, have a much higher definition of "good condition". Those miatas start around 8-9k. Shiny, no rust, low miles, garaged in the winter, bone stock.
We are also starting to get 10k miatas here in us due to high demand of used cars
As a loving owner of my NA for 5.5 years, my next one would be an NB, it's a better all around car, just less hyped! A heads up though, later NB diffs are NOT necessarily better than a 1.8 NA or early NBs, lots of people actually consider it a downgrade. They went to a different LSD diff that's more prone to failure for later NB2s and is a bit more finicky. It does have some benefits over a torsen, but for some people a torsen would do better. For most people the difference wouldn't matter though. Regardless, I'll be in NB gang soon!
I've had both and ...nb pretty much has everything the NA lacked
But them pop up headlights tho..
Same, NA for looks and getting attention, NB for if you want a better car for yourself
@@vb7037 the Miata isn’t supposed to be a good car it’s supposed to be fun
but the rust with the nb
The NB is better daily driver, but lacks the character and feel of the original Miata. I have owned several of both and there is a clear reason why NA's are climbing steeply in price over the NB models. The 1.6 revs more freely, is lighter, slightly louder and just feels more like what the designers were trying to obtain.
It seems like NA prices are getting crazy nowadays. I've been seeing them for 5k in average condition, 7-8k for slightly above average with a hardtop.
5k is good anything above 7k is overpriced
Modern classic price seems to rise high
Literally, a buddy of mine of is selling me his NB CHEAP. Everything around here is 3-8k in average condition.
@@ihulk1 what area are you in?
@@users4007 my brother in Christ I’ve seen rusted out/totalled/salvaged/automatic/>250Kmi/crashed/ & or shells going easily for 5-10K, NA owners are completely balls out crazy rn.
All you need to really know (imo):
NA
90-91 w/VIN 209446 or less: short nose crank- do not buy unless mechanically inclined
90-93: 1.6L (slower but higher revving-lighter flywheel-slight oversteer, louder)
94-97: 1.8L marginally more power uses more fuel, heavier
•Easy mode: just buy any Special M-Edition and call it a day
NB
99-00: Famed BP4W= good resale, round headlights and fried egg tails
01-03: BP-Z3 VVTI, Sharper eyes and clear tails
04-05: BPT-vsimilar to BP4W, Mazdaspeed Turbo
•Easy mode: just buy any Special Edition and call it a day, but if you got the coin, MSM for collectibility/future classic it makes everyone’s Top 10 Miatas of all time lists.
i followed this line of logic while looking at cars and just a couple days ago i bought a 00 nb special edition silver miata, hoping its a good investment if i clean it up oem +
Love the NB platform, imo I like the body lines more so than the NA as well. With NA prices seemingly much higher than just a year ago (although NB's are still getting higher), I'm picking the NB.
Great comprehensive guide to the two models Alex especially as you have personally owned them both. As always your vids are improving each upload, well done we are really enjoying them all.👍🏽😎
$2500?! Try finding a decent one in the northeast for under $7k now. Prices are way up.
Yeah I just got what I feel like is a steal on a NA6 with 110k miles and is super clean for $5500, but that is also crazy pricing compared to what I bought my last NA6 at 6 years ago.
I've never been a fan of the NB. I'm currently on my 3rd NA and they're just so fun to drive plus they're cute af. If I ever go NB it'll be for a mazdaspeed but I'll try to keep my NA as well. Love the content man keep them coming
NB is so much fun to drive. I've had several Mr2 sw20s, zzw30s plus a 350z and 986 boxters, and I can honestly say the mx5 nb is more fun despite the obvious lack of power. I'm really pleasantly surprised and actually wish I'd tried an Mx5/miata a lot sooner than I have.
I driven every gen Miata and whichever you buy you will enjoy. For me I bought an nb1 intentionally over an nb2, main reasons being weight and I did not want the vvt engine. I love the Miata car culture and I grew up with cars, my dad was a stock car race driver, my first car was a 79 280zx with my second being a 76 280z. Now I’m 42, I’m an automotive journalist and I’ve driven well over 1,000 cars and my Miata is my benchmark and my reset. Short list of things I love, the 5 speed manual is near perfect, the clutch, the hydraulic steering feel, the lightweight and overall feeling I get while driving it. Things like 0-60 and 1/4 miles time used to matter to me when I was 16 but now I couldn’t care less. Great video
Alex, I am so glad I found you! I love your videos I have seen so far. I love the NA, especially the pop up lights. Today, You helped me narrow my search to 94-97 year models. Thank you for your comparison video.
Happy I could help!
@@AlexPerrucci , I watched another video a bit ago on mods to consider. Are roll bars created equal or are there some better than others? I will not be racing🤷♀️
Patty you will love the NA pop up lights,they sit up high.turn the hi beam on & you can see 300 feet!I have a 95 NA and a 2000 NB too. If driving at night, i always take the NA.if you want a better freeway car, i'd go with the NB model.it's wider,not so bumpy,gear ratio is more for city and interstate driving
I got my 2001 NB three years ago for $5800 with less than 6000 mi. - no rust. Have spent some $ on a new clutch and 6000 mi. maintenance. Like new now.
I had a Spitfire back in 1970. The Miata is a similar driving experience but with reliability and twice as much power. Lots of fun for this old man!
what a steal. i’d love a non clapped out miata but they’re north of 8k here in socal haha.
@@ckbun dude no kidding I lucked out with my super clean interior 2001 NB, 140k miles, I paid $5000
2002NB ls
I’m 69 got a 2002 nb LS 3years ago with 13,000 miles $8,000 south Chicago suburb
wouldn’t budge on the price British racing green tan top and interior like new condition all stock original tires 28,000 miles now I bought it to drive and I love it I wasn’t even looking for a car it was a blessing from the lord,thank you JESUS
Either one of them are amazing!
I agree!
I've had 2 NB's and 5 NA's. It does come down to individual preferences and I agree with Alex that you can't go wrong either way. In retrospect, for racing (assuming it's stock) I'd go with the NB, but for all-around driver's satisfaction I'd go with an NA8. NB's feel a little more solid on the road, but not much. I found myself either wanting more power out of it, or trying different shocks. I loved my white 2000 MX-5 with a manual. The aftermarket "muffler" that came with it was too loud for me. But the power is decent on those NB's. I recently stumbled on the best of both worlds and it seems like a good compromise. A 1997 in Montego Blue Mica Miata with a 1.8, muffler deleted. It's not too loud, the power is just right, and I have no complaints with it other than minor cosmetic issues. My second favorite would actually be the 1.6. It just nails it on that classic Miata feel we've come to know and love: being a tossable, rev-happy, little roadster.
Hard to beat the classic NA feel!
Efren i have a 95 M edition & a 2000 M edition..daily drivers in the summer.I like the gear ratio in the '95 a lot better than the 2000 as i live in twisty wooded roads. I can drive the NB 2000 out on the interstate.i love both cars..if i had to toss; i'd keep the '95 NA 'cause of where i live..
I am very happy I have a NA Miata, because I got it for good money, but NB's are also awesome, and would buy an NB, if I was not lucky back then
What did you pay for the NA?
@@chickenlead7203 1650 Euro
Where do you live where average condition NAs are still $2500-$3500? In the midwest, anything below $5k and with minimal rust is a rarity.
Alex good info, I have an M edition 1995 i bought in 2019 & a 2000 M edition a month later.$4000 each.i rotate these daily drivers & store them in nov.I like the NA gear ratio on these bumpy,twisty back roads in Maine.Those high pop-up headlights show 300 ft on the hi-beam: a super night racer. I drive the NB alot too,the NB is smoother driving on bumpy roads & i use it if i'm driving down the Interstate.It isn't the woods night racer like the NA, the gearing is off for narrow dangerous roads,but the NB is alot of fun in bigger(well lite) wider roads & i love the way it looks too!
I own an NB, but certainly appreciate all four generations.
When it comes to interior design, my least favourite of the three is the NC with its hard plastics, and (to me) cheap looking gauge cluster. This is by no means a dealbreaker - I really like the NC Club…
I believe they’ve all got their merits, and deserve to be driven & enjoyed.
Haters - shut your mouth, and drop the top. Have fun!
I much prefer the look of the nb, but those pop up headlights 😳😳😳
they sit up high & give a good hi-beam 300' view at night...
Here in Germany NA prices have gone up a lot. However if you factor in the frame rails repair, which all NBs need due to saulty roads in the winter they cost about the same
Same here in the states. Literally double that of what he mentions in the video
Na's here are 6 to 9 grand with an average of 200k miles the ones under 120k are 10 to 15
Lemme guess, New England?
Oh , i wish those prices were still true today, at least 2 yrs after this video was made😢
same haha
Nb is mini dodge viper
From the front yes,some covets also
My NA's Robbins canvas top with a glass window is a huge improvement over the original vinyl & plastic.
Nice Video!
underrated channel
Appreciate it!
NB is the better all round package. Less scuttle shake and more comfortable. NA is slightly lighter and more analogue, imho. Brilliant cars and whatever you choose you can't go wrong.
Completely agree! 👍🏼
Aint watching this without dropping a subscribe
I borrowed 1.6 NA and 10th Anny NB and concluded the one that I liked more visually I also liked more practically. So ended up finding and buying a very well preserved 2003 Silver Blues edition 52K Km NBFL.
It's such a difficult choice for be because of some specific reasons. Firstly where I live all cars older than 30 years old are exempt from taxes, they also only go through an inspection every 24 months instead of every 14. Because of these reasons I could buy an early NA in order to save some money, if I buy an NB then I would go with an NB2 VVT because I think it's the best looking Miata and I want to avoid the 1.6. This car does however need premium petrol so that's an additional cost. At the same time I do plan on daily driving whichever car I choose and the NB is better for that. I also like the pop up headlights but overall I like the NB styling more. A good part about the NB2 is that it's available with the sports package which adds bilstein suspension, an LSD and the 6 speed transmission which would be good since I plan on taking the one I choose to track days and autocross events, the sports package is already set up well for that out of the box. So basically the NB would be more expensive but it would also be better for what I will be using it for. Decisions decisions...
Sounds like the NB might be the best choice for you!
@@AlexPerrucci I think so too, I just have to make sure I can afford one. My plan is to buy one this fall because sports cars in general are cheaper then, hope I can find one for a fair price!
I ended up getting an NB2, it should have an LSD but I haven't checked.
It's got the Bose audio with the retractable antenna and a wind deflector, that's apparently part of a package which includes the LSD but I'm not sure
02 nb premium is recommended and does rev guicker but regular is fine for daily
Tiktok and IG idiots have raised the prices on these cars. I hate people.
Cant beat the classic NA look, performance doesn't matter... if you want performance get a Lotus
A nice red NA will always be the icon IMO
Miatias with hardtops: if you can't drive a top down car...at least don't drive a Miata around in the snow & road salt please?!
Just purchased 2001 NB2 special edition in BRG for 7k in June. Only one major rust spot, but overall solid car. 👌
Sounds nice!
Bought my unmodified yr 2000 NB1 Roadster manual 5 speed 6 years ago when it had 29,000km on the clock. It has the nice revvy 1.6 engine. In these 6 years the spark generator doodad failed and was a bit expensive to replace, and now the cam position sensor needs replacing so doing the crank angle sensor at the same time. Otherwise apart from the odd degenerated rubber bits that need replacing the car works very well. I get it serviced every 6months at a local Mazda garage. They don't charge much and are very enthusiastic about the car. The car does not accelerate fast, but does corners very well. I usually push the revs to aound 6,500 on acceleration, and so far have only used 5th gear once, when I brought it up here from Tokyo. There are no straight roads where I live, just windy country roads (central mountainous Japan). The steering is absolutely fantastic. The brakes stop the car very well, fortunately. It has a/c but as this area is all above 1,000 metres a.s.l. the summer is cool and a/c is not needed, and besides I always drive with the top down. It also has air bags, a good stereo, comfortable seats, and so on. The heating works well to keep my legs warm in the winter. I don't drive in the snow/ice as I keep summer tyres on it, but is fine when the conditions are clear and crispy. The arm rest coffee cup things are a complete joke, but I don't drive with coffee anyway as I am too busy steering and changing gear ! It had a navigation system but that failed so I am replacing it with a home-made rally timer set up, half done. It does not have an LSD but I am not sure that having one would improve my experience. It is still possibly to buy little-used examples of NBs in Japan, but not NAs, which are now in the most part worn out and over-priced. Most Roadster owners happily wave at each other as we pass by. All the best from Japan.
Thanks for sharing! These cars are so fun, glad you're enjoying yours! Would love to visit Japan someday.
I want to put a simpson italia design body kit, will it fit the NB if its made for the NA?
thanks, well done vid's! time to change starter on my '97 - would YOU upgrade to an NB starter? ive seen it suggested, but i dont want to run into any unnecessary complications...a legitimate upgrade?
I would probably just do the NA starter.
Love my 99 nb
my brother has an n/b and its great
Just picked up an NB for $6700 CAD, with 205,000 km. No body/frame rust or any leaks. Used to be a fanatic of pop-up but now that I'm a bit more mature it doesn't matter much to me, plus I'm starting to like the styling on the NB more than the NA
I've had both. As someone who is 5'11", I prefer the seating position in the NA. I realize that my preferences don't matter.... heh
Thinking of getting my first Miata. I’m also 5’11”, long legs, medium torso-thinking NA will fit better, but need to drive both. Don’t want legs cramped, but also don’t want to be staring at the wind visors!
Hi, i still have a hard time deciding which one...
The headlights arent soo important for me, but i would want a slightly better performance, would it be a valid option to chip tune a nbfl (81kw/110ps)?
And abs would also be nice to have.
I’m in the same boat as you. I’m about to pick up an nb. From what I’ve heard if you want better performance, tires or a suspension set up is better off than modding the engine (if you plan to not boost it). I don’t see a chip tune being useful without other supporting mods. Your better off boosting a 1.8 n getting a proper tune after that. There is no point in buying a 1.6 other than to be special, the 1.8 is the overall better engine hands down
@@michaelbrown8955 update: i now own a mini
Long story short: accidentally found one in extremely good condition for a good price with panorama roof, seat heater and this whole luxury stuff..
But it has a supercharger and makes 170ps 😌
What wheels are thoes? Dimensions?
when do you guys think the miata prices will go down?
I really want an NC club. But those are double the price usually of the NB. The NA has gone up in price too. So I’ve been shopping a NB. Which would you find more collectible-a 1999 with leather interior. Or a Shinsen? Both have same miles on odometer and are roughly in the same condition-the 99 probably better condition overall but is $2000 more asking price. What color leather seat options were available in 99? Not sure if it is original.
More collectible I would say shinsen. Gotta love a 99 NB though. I believe leather seats came in black or tan.
Happy NB owner here. I do not agree with the dashboard comment. The dash of a NA is much nicer, more true sportscar, less generic-90s
im 6'3, do you think i fit in an nb miata?
im looking at a 1991 NA miata at auction with the 1.6 and a 1999 NB with the 1.8. would you say that the bump in power and few other features would be worth losing the headlights?
Yeah technically the NB is better in every way. Just depends how attached you are to the NA styling.
NB is the better car overall especially now with NA prices being so high. I got a 1994 NA cus pop ups!
nb prices are so low in the uk. i bought a 68k miles nb2 in really good condition for £1,500 (around $2,000). u can get a decent condition na for £5,000-6,000 (easily under 100k miles)
With good condition you mean rotten fenders and sidemembers.
NBs are rotting inside out. If you can see rust on the outside it is probably not even worth it to repair.
@@b0nz1official it’s practically rust free ngl
I’ve got a NB MX5 in England bit rusty round the wheel arches and needs pads & discs, I’d be lucky to get £600 ! 👍🏽😎
i got £550
@@yunz3011 sorry not selling, converting into drift car.
Which one to buy??? Whichever isn’t a scam 😂 literally selling rusted out NAs and totalled NBs for upwards of 5 to 8K. Bru 😂 at this point idc anymore, whichever of the two I can find under 4K that is actually worth the money and isn’t totalled, I’m buying
😂
POP UP UPPIN DOWN HEADLIGHHHHHTS
What's the highest mileage for a NA miata when it comes to looking for buying one ?
I see a lot of youtubers/forum members saying that they bought theirs when their car had like 170~200k miles and I'm afraid not to be able to keep that car for several years if it's already that used
Miles do not matter. I bought mine last year with 87k miles, but I would have still bought it if it had double. Rust-free > low miles
Yeah Miata’s are very reliable. I wouldn’t worry too much if the car looks like it’s in decent shape. I bought mine with 198k and it has 270k now.
There are some Miatas around with 400k mp on the clock. My NA has over 200k km, so just half life is over😁
I got my NA 96’ with 211k miles a month ago, I’ve been driving it as a daily and it’s holding up really well, I would definitely get one just use that to bring the price down when you’re buying one 👍
NB prices are 20-25% LESS than comparable NAs. Those popups command quite a premium, huh.
Popup tax 😂
I'm starting to feel indifferent with both the cars especially when I want to buy because i'm like "Oh shit that car is basically 30 yrs old now" so I should really be careful about my decision
Your pricing doesn't work in eastern Ontario Canada. NA's are going for 8k and those are project cars. A "mint" NA will sell for 12k-15k.
Yeap... and last summer they where selling around 4k-5k with a hard top on it 😅 now they are 8k with a leaking soft top and rust all around the car.
That's why I'm looking for a NB at the moment, they doesn't seem to be affect by the "covid taxes" yet 🙄
Nice car on the pic if it is your's 🔥
I hear ya man. I picked mine up last year for 5k with a hardtop
@@flaviomedeiros7652 still possible to find one in good shape for 5k, but you need to be fast... I regret not to buy one 2 years ago for 2.5k with a hard top, only reason was that I didn't had a beater for the winter at that time... the hardtop only, is around 2k right now 😅
I love The NA more than the NB1 but the NB2 has my heart
Welp.. I traded my NB for an NA😂
I got an nb2 miata
Can I put nb taillights on my na ??
No, the shape of the quarters and tail lights are completely different.
I picked up an NA for $2500 last May. I enjoy it alot but wish it was a little nicer. I Do like the looks of the NB. Buuut..Pop Ups!
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The 1.8 engine is worse then 1.6, horsepower doesnt matter, the car is heavier and perfect 52/48 weight distribution is disturbed
The na‘s are so much More expensive Here in germany :(
Just sold my 1993 NA Black Special for CHF 13.000,-- / now I got a 1991 NA Green Special... would never get a NB, NA has more legroom... one day I will get a ND for sure... NC is the worst of all of them, followed by the NB - can't go wrong with an original rust free NA with low milage
In my country miatas are to expensive 5k-7k
NA for the looks, NB for performance
👌🏼
Yet my NB2 feels incredibly slow😂 I’ve always wanted to drive an NA
Up down up down up down
Nb all the time
very nice...
Good Video...
I bought my Miata last month for $5,700. A classic red over tan ‘99 NB1 with 115k miles and in great overall condition. Some new parts, a 5-speed, leather, Bose audio, LSD, 15” wheels, it included a sharp looking fiberglass tonneau cover even... The moment I first sat in it, I was immediately disappointed. I’m 6’6” tall and I just wasn’t sure this was going to work, because my knees were all up in the dash. But I wanted it to work, so I took it for a spin and bought it anyway. It was an inspired purchase, because I’ve loved driving it ever since. After adjusting to it, it actually feels a little bigger on me than that first day.
I'm going to look at a 1990 NA mx5 this weekend only done 126,000km (78,000 miles) and is asking price 6500nzd (4500USD). Has new cambelt soft top and new hoses and leads so looks like a good deal. It's either this or the 1991 honda civic 25x s limited i looked at.
I wouldn't get either, I got a 2006 nc, better car then both. 😊
NC's are definitely underrated.
All Miata prices are crazy right now, all generations. I'm still waiting on some insurance money from my totaled car (rear ended) but was looking around. Almost seems like a better deal to buy a brand new ND2 when an NC is 20k, NA in shit condition is 5k, and ND1's are 30k!
na
:)
NB2 Boys here ;)
hey its the michigan supercharged miata guy. Help me find a clean NA/NB here that isn't 10 grand lmao
@@cokeycola9514 You should think about an NC, much better value for how much more car you get!
@@pattyboi I've looked, I just really don't like the styling, but I'll be more open minded! I'm over in Metro detroit, so many clean miatas here. I want to join the community haha
How can you look like funny looking jacksepticeye?
NC.
It’s NA all the way!!!!! The NB looks too much like a Mazda 121 bubble car 🚗!!
Either way, Miata is always the answer 💪☝️
NB looks like a mini viper
NB comes with built in weight reduction!
It's called rust.
Doing the tail light swap on either is disgusting i quit watching immediately
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