Yeah that tier is kinda useless in naruto, most genins in the manga can demolish chunins, and when these genins finally reach the chunin rank, they fight against akatsuki members...
Genin Naruto ez diff 360 noscope Kankuro with his fat momma and daddy barbie dolls. Genin Naruto is stronger than kurama Naruto. Genin Naruto defeated third hokage who is the strongest hokage. Don't let that distract you from the fact that Sakura saying "I finally caught up" gave Jiraya 7 broken ribs from laughing
@@twixtys3121 Madara enters for first time Madara: 4th war shinobis 🥷 attack me Kakashi: no, our Kankuro will 1v1 360 noscope you Ez diff Madara dies from laughing
I just want to mention the Hidan stands no chance against Gaara in any way shape or form. Not saying Gaara is a god-tier monster part one, but his kit is a hard counter to Hidan. Hidan doesn't have any damage output to get to Gaaras blood. Also, Gaara could and would turn the battlefield into sand, making Hidans ritual circle impossible to maintain or or even draw.
@@zdiii3795 Perhaps not on the ground per se, but it does have to be complete, unbroken, and with him inside. And against an opponent like Gaara who can terraform at will, its just too hard a counter I believe for Hidan to have any kind of answer for.
Tearing him apart with sand, burying him in hundreds of tons of sand, blocking his scythe and spike so he can't cut him. He's not touching Gaara. Seriously. Why is he Akatsuki?
@@DirtyBobBojangles notice how you are wrong? That's like being on sb ass for making an ohio joke 2-3 years ago. The joke was popular then and now it's not.
@@NvrByte dude I seriously thought you would have noticed 🤦♂️ The tenten joke is WAY older than a year, and this comment is about a year old. It's been old since he made that comment, so my statement stands correct. I can't believe I had to walk you through that.
I have a list too, honestly pretty similar to swag's list here. i did end up trying to put the wierdo boruto scale characters somewhere tho, so those were a bit wonky, but other than that, my list was pretty close. ua-cam.com/video/6q_VUfkusUQ/v-deo.html
It was a lot of effort, but most of it made no sense. Not hating or trolling, but my observation, and not my opinion see the facts. The way they are judging what tier people go in is shid
Yeah I Love swag and Seth's videos they are the best Naruto UA-camrs you could argue either of them are but I think we can all agree it's between those two
Choza states in the war arc that it’s crazy how choji can enter butterfly mode without the red pill. It’s implied choji surpassed the members of his clan, being the only one to ever use buttefly mode without the pills. So to answer(“where are the pills?”), he don’t need the pills anymore.
@@ImSuave459 we have never seen him use it and he literally said "choji is enterting butterfly mode without the pills". Insinuating hes never seen that done before. He can prob enter butterfly mode with the pills, but definitely not without them. The whole point of naruto is that the next generation is always that much more powerful.
It goes like this, In a Flash back during the battle with Madara when Hashirama captures the Nine tails he is badly hurt he has a Swollen eye multiple cuts on his face and blood everywhere however at the end of the fight Hashirama is in much better shape so that means Madara was actually beating Hashirama up quite a bit so that might mean that Madara was Actually stronger of the 2 but Hashirama could just outlast Madara and keep taking damage while Madara couldn't heal from the attacks he was hit with.
This is beyond what we should expect from a UA-camr discussing a niche topic like this, couldn’t finish it in once sitting but I will definitely finish it here soon. I’m proud to be subscribed, keep up the good work swag!
Problem with scaling part 1 Naruto is the fact that he was arguably a low level chuunin fighter running around with a Jonin level jutsu. That Rasengan is dangerous 😅
@@bank2378 it all just depended on how much chakra Kurama gave him that's why it's so hard to scale. The only clear thing is the more emotional Naruto is the more chakra Kurama gives.
Don't forget how shadow clone jutsu was at least a jonin level or higher jutsu, his clones were actual living beings with feelings and thoughts, his whole aresenal actually was way past his level at that time period lol sometimes I wish he learned a bunch more jutsu from the forbidden scroll, homie would have been using Kage level jutsu
@@bank2378 Part 1 being part 1; Hiruzen is the strongest Kage behind Minato, Naruto is a genin that managed to overpower Haku, a character that a kiri swordsman said was better than him who, in turn, was better than Kakashi, and skill was lower on the totem pole than hard work. Part 2, in particular the war arc, straight up ruined everything established in part 1.
When it comes to Choji's pills, the draw backs might be why he didn't use them. If the red pill is eaten, death is imminent. The fifth was able to naturalize the poison, preventing death. He was able to use his butterfly mode without the pills during the war arc, which can usually only be done by use of the pills.
Hello from nine months into the future: the pills are to assist those of the Akamichi clan whom have not properly learned how to use the Butterfly Mode. They are not a necessity - but rather like a training wheel to help someone get started in their clan into turning their body mass into chakra. A seasoned Akamichi should be able to use Butterfly Mode without the pills due to practice alone.
The issue everybody has with Sakura being that strong is because powerscaling wise it doesn’t make sense, but I feel like Kishi wanted to have that moment of “Team 7 is all grown up and strong together” so he wanted Sakura to be relative to the others without really earning it
Uhhh no dude it's definitely earned and it damn sure makes sense. Sakura trained with a Sannin able to fuck up madaras Sussano, She has more control of her chakra then her mentor and was fighting Sasori when she was younger. In Shippuden shes clearly seen to be stronger then OG Naruto, Even if she didn't do absolutely shit in that duration. Plus the 100 healings is a medical ninjutsu which Sakura is a pro at. I don't mind shit talking her but let's not ignore the facts
@@Witch_King_Ken thats not why it doesnt make sense lmao. It doesnt work because the other 3 members got MASSIVE amps to beat kaguya while she hadnt recived an amp since being on par with kcm 2 naruto
@@damonwade6591 all we need to do is look at her performance against madara or how sasuke no diffs her after the fight. She's trash. She hits hard it's just like Kakashi vs Tsunade, she may do better against stronger opponents but she's never killing Kakashi. Just like Sakura may have the strength to hurt kaguya realistically they are on different ability levels entirely.
The “Im out of chakra” joke is just an excuse in the boruto filler, so the new gen could do more shit. IM OUTNOF CHAKRA WAS NEVER IN THE MANGA WHICH MAKES IT NON CANON THEREFORE HE NEVER SAID IT BECAUSE ITS FILLER
I think Kisame is being severely underestimated, but I like how you guys didn't downplay Sasori. The guy is an actual beast and people constantly downplay him since he was the first to die, but he is easily in the upper ranks of the Akatsuki with his hax poison.
He got killed by Sakurah though, that makes him fodder. Kid Konahamaru could've beaten him cuz he killed a path of pain. Plus Konahamarus teacher was better than Kakashi, so kid kona could beat Sakurah too. Probably at the same time.
Lol, a lot wrong with that statement, the main one being that you assume ONE of the weaker paths of pain is stronger than sasori, sasori should be able to 3v1 the 3 weaker paths of pain,
@@idunnygiveafock7640 Need to rewatch that fight Sakura had extensive help from Chiyo and even then, Sasori LET them win and it was spelled out pretty clearly.
KCM Naruto moves faster, which is why he broke his ankle the first time he used it and Gai had to intercede to fight Kisame; it was too fast for him to handle at first. Sage mode has a lot of sensory advantages, which is why it allows for incredible reaction times.
To further illustrate that point, remember how Kakashi was told not to use the Raikiri because he couldn't react to a counter? Chakra-based abilities can amp someone's speed up past the point they can even perceive what's going on. Kakashi solved this with the Sharingan, and Naruto solved this at first by switching to sage mode when he needed to respond to someone with insane speed, then later by combining KCM with sage mode.
Yep pretty much, also sage mode could be argued to allow for some kind of precog movement in the case of danger sence etc. allowing for that kind of movement when KCM couldn't. In terms of travel speed tho, KCM is just implied and shown to be much faster. The 3rd raikage thing is also tricky because naruto only used sage mode since he couldn't use KCM in that instant, it had run out basically, but I will admit that's pretty ambigious. This also makes the preta path interception less mega insane, as sage mode would still be very quick, but not like raikage quick.
@James K oh I thought kakashi just simply couldn't use the chidori because of some sort of chakra issue that the sharingan solved. Learn something knew
@@jamesk7256but KCM is faster right? I just remember that clone Naruto not being able to use kcm cause when madara appeared temari told him to use that mode and he said he couldn’t and I’m sure she didn’t mean sage mode cause he entered it right after anyway
Six i love you but Kage summit sasuke could barley stand up to 2 of the kage, let alone all of them, and Naruto's shadow clones were relative to a kage and he made like 12 of them. The clones were also treated as more important than any other human life during the fights, and naruto wasn't even fatigued.
@croma 136 Raikage being Edo doesn't take away from the feat itself. Itachi, 2nd Tsuchikage, Nagato were Edo but were problems. Besides if Naruto didn't show up Raikage would've wiped a division out alone and they wouldve had one of the strongest windstyle users lol
43:51 "It's not like Sasuke in a week is getting a whole tier stronger" Reminder that the war arc lasted 3 days and multiple characters jumped 4-8 tiers.
@@UnchxrtedChris he’s a UA-camr but use to be a discord debater he’s very knowledgeable on naruto he stopped debating and started making great content he was actually very known in the debate community
2:41:27 So the reason to put ems Madara over Sage Mode Hashirama is "one of them has healing and one of them doesn't" meanwhile one of them brought the nine tails to the fight and one of them didn't, even in the flashback story BASE Hashirama beat EMS Madara. Like come on every character in the verse that mentions them says that Hashirama was stronger than Madara when they were alive including Madara himself.
Yeah and like they actually fought in the anime two times while Madara had ems and I think only the last fight Hashirama used sage mode, but we don't know when he learned so he might've also used it in the first one
It doesn't even make sense because healing is hashirama's ability. It's apart of his arsenal. It's a hax. It's not an unfair advantage since it's his own power unlike the Madara having the nine tails
I would also say Fused Kisame is a bit low-balled. He bodies V2 Bee really hard. If it weren't for Samehada's betrayal, the fight would have been almost a stomp. It was one-sided without Kisame even aiming for the kill. The big thing is that pretty much any fight where Kisame can use the water dome jutsu means he's faster than his opponent. His speed in the water is just untouchable. As for base Kisame, as long as he has Samehada, tanking a rasenshuriken is not a concern. He'd just absorb it. This is what makes him so scary: how many characters rely on easily absorbable ninjutsu. Even biju cloaks aren't a concern for him. He took a nasty hit from V2 Bee in base, but Bee was immediately reverted to V1 from chakra loss after one attack.
No matter how many ninja the Kazekage sent after Gaara, not one of them was able to come close to touching Genin Gaara. So if weightless Rock Lee was able to hit Gaara multiple times to the point where his Sand Armor broke, he’s got to at least be Jonin-Level. Note that Might Gai made his team take the Chunin Exams late. This is why by Shippuden, Neji is already a Jonin unlike the rest of the people around his age.
Right but question neji was easily stopped by the jonin right and hes up there with 5th gate lee how is it neji was easily stopped by the jonin they completely blizted him and they are also jonin level?
@@Lelighttt Well there’s a huge difference between Jonin and High Jonin level. If Part 1 Kakashi took on Hayate, it would be a pretty short fight. Technically, even Jiraya was a Jonin. There’s a huge range of power in the Jonin Rank, and there’s a minority who is of Kage-level power who may or may not have what it takes to be an actual Kage. Neji had some Jonin-level aspects to him, but he obv wasn’t a fully seasoned Ninja by this time.
@@RedDeathAnims yes they where high jonin that did that but you wanna know else was there the itachi victim her self best in the leaf with genjustu how did he get soeed blizted by her fuck wast the chunin exams Procter also able to blizt and all we get from this sand jonin are ass
@@Lelighttt Baki literally defeated the very proctor that blitzed Neji, so how are Sand Jonin trash? And Itachi was capable of becoming Hokage by the age of 7, but he was tasked with spying on his Clan and taking the Fall for whatever happened during the massacre. If Itachi led a normal life, Kurenai would have attempted to use Genjutsu on a whole Kage. I highly suggest you watch the entire show because you sound misinformed.
A little pushback on the Delta scaling: Kawaki explicitly states that Naruto is directing Delta in such a way that her attacks don’t hit him, Boruto, and Himawari. That being said, him not being able to use his strongest jutsu, along with the fact that he had to strategically direct her movements should scale her a good amount below Naruto. Being able to guide and direct an opponent, while being suppressed due to not being able to use your most powerful techniques, is a severe handicap. So, yeah, he might’ve been going “all out”, but it wasn’t just in the sense of fighting her to beat her. It was much more than that.
Worst fight of the franchise, terrible writing , no sense , bad animation , 0 logic involved , making naruto act retarded only for the plot doesn't make it less of a retarded choice , the show is so absurdly bad.
@@CoffeeSipper555 ok so how is delta vs naruto terrible wrirting ? and as for 0 logic we know for a fact that in the novels its directly stated by kurtsuchi that the ninja tools that the leaf has can make even a civilian into a booted down version of naruto and thats with just a ninja took the size of a watch so now how powerful do u think is delta who IS COMPLETEL MADE OF THAT SHIT . so if a wrist band can make u into a off shelf naruto how powerful would a ninja tool the size of human can make u ? SO YEAH DELTA ~ NARUTO AINT THAT BAD .
@@CoffeeSipper555 also sasuke says teh kara members are otsusuki level threats so are u telling me naruto is 1 shotting people like jubidara ? 8 gate guy etc all these people who are kaguya level threats . PLUS DELTA CAN SHOOT LIGHT LIKE MADARA WHCIH FURTHER PROVES WHY NARUTO NEED TO USE SOME EFFORT . NARUTO ACTING LIKE HE IS STRUGGLING TO GET DELTA TO SPILL HER PLANS IS LEGEIT ONE OF THE SMARTEST THINGS HE HAS DONE . AND HOW DOES THE PLOT MAKE IT SEEM ARTIFICAL AND NOT NATRUAL
@@CoffeeSipper555 WHAT I MEAN IS how does the plot make it seem like forced and like it nvr should have happened and not natural like prior events would flow into this one .
Do you know what I think was absolutely hilarious? If Orochimaru had perfected Edo Tensei earlier the show would have just ended because Hashirama would have just murdered Orochimaru the moment Orochimaru ordered him to kill Hiruzen and since Edo Tensei doesn't stop when the caster dies the hidden leaf would just have A nearly full power Hashirama and Tobirama both of which are immortal and have unlimited chakra. So Orochimaru's own ineptitude for mastering Edo Tensei saved him and the rest of the show.
Well no? Hashirama would be under his full control the only reason Itachi was able to break through the control was with the Most over powered Genjutsu in the series
@@deerofdreams1783 They clearly didn't develop Edo Tensei before shippuden, which was when that encounter with Orochimaru and Tobirama happened (early in the original Naruto), but yes if they used the theory they created in the war arc of Shippuden, that Orochimaru isn't able to control them due to their chakra levels, they would just turn around and kill him.
Imagine a scenario where Hashirama trains Naruto (as his wood style would keep the nine tails in check) And Tobirama trains Sasuke (since his dickhead fanboy Danzo got them all killed, and Hashirama would definitely have him make some amends for that whole situation he inadvertently caused through his Uchiha racism.)
@andreleandro6931 now you are just being a little silly. Regardless of what you think really happened, sakura had the speed/stealth to avoid detection from a byakugan and the strength to physically damage someone not even naruto could properly damage, while using boil release. Which by the way is a technique that is said to give naruto unrivaled taijutsu power. I hate sakura as much as the next guy, but lets at least try to be genuine with the scaling
I think Sakura's physical strength is used to grossly overestimate her overall power and abilities. She managed to damage kaguya but Naruto couldn't because she's PHYSICALLY much stronger than Naruto (she can output more force in her punches and kicks) this doesn't make her upper six paths level cause physical strength isn't all that important in the Naruto world. Overall skill and combat ability is what matters. To put it into perspective, tsunade is physically stronger than madara but that doesn't mean she's more powerful and she definitely wouldn't scale to him. We saw how saw how her fight with madara went.
Actually, people underestimate Sakura. People just say she is trash and useless and don't recognize her strenght. On the other hand, she is not just brutal strength: she has great brains and knows medical ninjutsu (which is only for healing people, we learned that in the tsunade vs kabuto's fight
@@user-hc3kg4hi7p i never said that physical strength doesn't matter, i said it doesn't matter as much as skill and techniques. Sakura had no real techniques aside from the byakuya seal and medical ninjutsu. All of her other techniques are centred around physical power output which can be overcome quite easily with pretty much anything else in the Naruto universe. By your logic tsunade should be able to beat madara cause of her physical strength lmao. Sakura wouldn't even have beaten sasori if it weren't for granny chiyo and him wanting to die
The bottom of this tier list definitely depends on how much respect you give to the title of "Chunin." Land of Waves Sasuke smacks the two Chunin-level demon brothers. Which makes it seem shitty. However, after all the fights in the Chunin exams, the only one who gets promoted is Shikamaru. Which makes it seem significant.
You don't even makes sense. You would if you remembered that to become a chunin it's not just about fighting power but leadership skill and so on. When the Sasuke vs Garaa fight got interrupted, Genma, the proctor said to Sasuke that he is already at chunin level and that his first chunin mission would be to follow and take out Garaa
Well don’t forget that the exam was ambushed before finishing so they didn’t get to chose properly. Also Sasuke is a chunin level fighter, but that doesn’t mean he’s capable of leading a squad.
@@filipgasic2642 I think we're making the same core point: there's a difference between how a village gives titles to their ninja, compared to the ninja's ability to defeat an opponent. But this video's tier list is clearly about fighting ability. It would be ridiculous to make a tier list based on anything else.
Doesn't even make sense. How are Naruto and Sasuke above Kaguya? Indra and Ashura above the Sage of Six Paths himself, Hagoromo? Itachi being stronger than Nagato? Especially Sakura (Kaguya Fight) being stronger than Obito and Madara when all she did was heal Obito and punch Kaguya ONCE when she was falling mid-air with her full attention against Naruto and Sasuke from sealing her away for eternity.
They placed Hashirama above Edo Hashirama, but Edo Tobirama above Tobirama. Also he placed EMS Madara above Hashirama, even though Hashirama literally won EVERY SINGLE FIGHT he had against Madara while holding back to not kill him. At the end, Madara used the nine tails to try to defeat Hashirama and it didn't even work lmao, he got killed by Hashirama and only got saved by Izanagi. This list has so many wrong placements lol
@@joaquincasascortes624 He also put Juubi Madara below Six Paths Naruto and Rinne-Sharingan Sasuke, despite the fact he practically low-diffed both of them with barely a scratch-while actively not caring about the fight and focusing on something else entirely.
1:30:49 I believe the given reason for Choji not eating the pills in the war is that he has at that point mastered the Amikichi clan jutsu. The pills are essentially medicine that rapidly converts their fat and calories into pure chakra to enhance their power. But once he fights in the war, he ends up mastering his own chakra/calorie control, meaning he doesn't need the pills. If I remember right, Choji's dad straight up says "Yeah, the pills won't help anymore". But I could be remembering it wrong. EDIT: Added a timestamp to Swag's comment and also clarified that I might be remembering wrong, since I haven't read the manga in a while.
Swag wasn't asking why he didn't use them in the war. He wondered why he didn't use them when Pain attacked the leaf village. Yeah, during the war arc, he evolves past needing them, but up till that point, those pills were still his ace in the hole, so why didn't he or his dad use them against Pain?
@@Twiska Okay, I misheard Swag's statement there. But i guess i have to ask: Do you think Choji with the red pill in this scenario would be stronger than the Sage Toads who Pain was able to break the bones of with a single Shinra Tensei?
Haven't missed a single second of this video. Amazing work Swag and Six (well, and Seth later on). It's insanely difficult to properly rank OVER 300 CHARACTERS without having some inconsistencies, but taking everything into account, this is probably the best and the most justified tierlist anyone could ever compose. Again, amazing work, as always. Much love.
Swag and six should do a watch through of shippuden together as. A series, now that we're like so far away from shippuden being over, I don't think them rehashing episodes straight up would be a bad idea.
Can't believe you forgot to scale Fetus Sarada, one of the most slept on characters in anime. She was able to cripple a Post-War Sakura and even incapacitate her with her final attack, leaps and bounds above anything Jiraiya or Itachi could do.
The only problem I have is scaling Shino because even though he doesn't have many feats, the feats he has are insane sometimes! And even what's implied from him during the retrieval Arc when he goes on that secret mission with his clan leader during HIGH ALERT in the village
@@generic6ixty5ive he wouldve if he wasn't like actively trying not to or something haven't watched that bit in forever plus he wasn't as strong because he couldn't control himself
He is shown to be really intelligent and in my opinion they showed his intelligence better than they do shikamaru's intelligence. All of shikamaru's intelligence feats are pretty overhyped even by the show itself imo. Whenever shino fights he outsmarts his opponent with practical, reasonable tactics that work, as opposed to shikamaru's overly complicated plans that have statistically failed more than they succeeded.
There’s a video about how OP Shino is that deserves a watch. I honestly think he’d do pretty well against Gaara just because the bugs could burrow through the sand. And then I think he blows through the sound four. He’d have some trouble with Kidomaru’s archery or Jirobo’s strength, but if he can stay well hidden (like a ninja should) he could get the drop on them and take them out before they could retaliate.
Sakura hitting Kaguya was circumstantial. She's not striking her without Naruto or Sasuke. Sakura also received zero buffs or training between the time she obtained byakugou seal, to fighting Kaguya.
@@toriichi4312 nigga she ain’t even top 50. 70% of the characters underneath Sakura can stomp her in every form she got. Seagkage was just tripping hard on this vid, he was acc trolling u can tell how he tried to hold his laugh 🤣🤣
Well, does Naruto have something like HxH where they reinforce their bodies with nen so the damage they receive is lessened? Cuz I don't think there was anything like that in Naruto from what I remember
@@appleseed4672 No bc both naruto and sasuke have a laser gun level off guard moment. Naruto when sasukes sword gets controlled and stabs him in the stomach and sasukes when he gets his rinnegan gouged out
@@YourMom-dd3jo Yep, exactly there are just some tropes in anime that will always be inconsistent. Just like sealing techniques. No matter how strong a opponent is compared to the other person 90% of the time it works.
@@ProjektTaku naruto tamks the juubi bomb in base and makes it out with a broken arm at most. theres no way an on gaurd adult naruto is a;most dying to a sword
You do know that the third raikage was letting Temari hit him. He told the whole alliance his weaknesses. He wasn’t fighting seriously until Kabuto took full control of him
Isnt it crazy, That a clone of Naruto was kage level? Keep in mind every shadow clone, HALVES Naruto's chakra. This Naruto could easily only have like. 20% power
@@thenexus7343 no, clones aren't half one's strength, it's just a copy that's less durable, has less chakra, and slightly weaker than the original, it's not a complete power cut
@@plastic0995 it’s not capping kakuzu>>>>>Kaguya,isshiki,momoshiki,madara, baryon mode,sasuke,code full power,boruto,kawaki,pain,itachi,Kisame, Himawari,ramen guy,minato,obito,hashirama,and the rest of the series
Your dilemma with Sakura hurting Kaguya while Naruto couldn't, was the funniest thing 😂 Glad you guys actually put so much effort into ranking characters properly and honestly!
The problem with kiba is that he never gains another standout move apart from fang over fang, the majority of his moves are just slight modifications that strengthen his base move but unlike Naruto where his various rasengan are all noticeably different in power, fang over fang always just seems basic and weak
Yeah, this was something I disliked. I get the other Leaf village classmates aren’t the main focus, but it would have been nice for them to show or come up with new moves for each of them. Just to show SOME development. This is also what happened to Naruto tbh. Naruto got stronger, but it was never because he got new moves. He basically just learned rasengan and another version of it from the OG naruto it until he killed Kakazu… then he learned sage mode. But his “moves” are still the exact same. Then he got KCM and it was still the same moves except he could use a chakra arm. All he uses are shadow clones, 9tails chakra (not even his), and different forms of rasengan. Sasuke on the other hand has new moves or strategies almost every fight. He is doing something thing. He has was more “moves” in his arsenal. But Naruto just has insane chakra and 9 tails chakra. For the main character, he needed to learn new stuff. With all his “power” he should have been able to learn flying raijin or some of Jiraiya’s moves, or some Uzumaki sealing jutsu. Just feel like they could have made Naruto a “cooler” fighter. I could basically predict everything that Naruto would do in a fight. He would spam shadow clones and rasengans and then use talk no jutsu.
Swagkage in 2017: Makes a video rationalizing and justifying the hatred towards Sakura. Swagkage in 2021: "Sakura's NOT going below Madara though, I've gotta die on that hill..." SEE KISHIMOTO, THIS IS HOW YOU DO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT
i hate hinata does that make her fodder genin level ? he could hate sakura but saying she is weak or useless cause u hate her makes no sense . cause feeling =/ stregnth just cause u hate her doesnt mean that she is weak or isn't mkcm 1 naruto level . your feeling doesnt change the fact that she was that strong . ( I KNOW ITS A JOKE BUT I AM ATTACING THE POINT UR TRYING TO CONVEY THROUGH THE JOKE )
This video would have been amazing live streamed. Imagine getting to talk with and get advice from people in chat, it would be such a chill out session
I facepalmed for 5 minutes because of War Arc Sakura placement, then he placed Kaguyas Fight Sakura and I'm still gaining strength to continue watching this video holy fuck. You can't be that off
I skipped ahead a bit, saw that, and immediately stopped watching the video lol. I get it, making a list like this is crazy hard, but it ain’t even close.
I just finished watching the whole thing. Firstly, I wanna say you, Six, and Seth are absolute beasts. To be able to do this thoroughly with this many characters for that many hours straight, while dealing with the mental cognitive dissonance of shonen power scaling and other inconsistencies across the series is genuinely impressive. It was evident throughout the video how much excruciating thought you guys had to put into the placement of characters and it's great to see that level of detail for a topic that is pretty much going to be eternally debated. This will be a long comment so to whoever's reading, bear with me. I'm gonna do my best to give my thoughts on this tier list. I will start off by saying the majority of my disagreements comes from two points: 1. As others mentioned, a lot of placements are highly based on physical feats (Sakura) and I feel like skill feats and even mental feats (who is better at adapting, more intelligent/analytical, doesn't get too cocky like Danzo did) are undervalued a bit here. I also think hype is actually a bit undervalued here too, as feats can be drastically inconsistent throughout Naruto (for example, how Sai and Kankuro are written to beat Deidara and Sasori with the help of a bunch of random jonin is beyond me). 2. I also think many placements within tiers are too based on if they can beat other people within that tier. For example, Rasenshuriken Naruto was used as a bar for a lot of placements. Imo placements should be more based on a character's ability to battle the overall Naruto roster, not just certain people. If I make up a hypothetical character named Madara Killer who can OHKO Madara, but loses to everyone else, that wouldn't put that character in the highest tiers. From what I understand, this is one of the thought processes behind actual fighting game tier lists. With that out of the way, let me write out some thoughts. Just know I'm reading bottom up: - I think Rock Lee (4th Gate) and Gaara (Chuunin Exams) should be in High Chuunin, maybe Sasuke/Naruto as well, and Sound Four in their base forms moved down a tier. It's weird putting Chuunin Exam genin so high but Rock Lee and Gaara were just busted, and would be able to overpower/outmanuever some of the retrieval arc genin plus the base Sound Four. Also the base Sound Four just straight up 1v4'd Sasuke if I recall correctly and he did pretty well. Otherwise, I agree with the rest of it pretty much up until that point. - On a similar note, I think CS2 Kimimaro and Neji should be at the top part of Elite Jonin. I think Jugo (Transformed) should also be moved down (I really don't see him beating Kakuzu, Chiyo, Tailed Beasts, etc.). Jugo and Suigetsu being higher than Kimimaro is just weird to me, and Kimimaro was fighting 3 different people while being terminally ill, and basically was about to win before he died on the spot. Any time Kishimoto makes someone sick, that says to me that the character is actually way stronger and he just needs to find a way to kill that character. For Neji, him being behind Hinata, Shikamaru, and Ino in the War Arc is just weird to me. He was always a level of skill above when it came to the core genin. If this means moving up retrieval arc Gaara too, I'm fine with that. Gaara was always sorta busted as a genin. - I agree Kakuzu is the 2nd weakest Akatsuki member (probably gonna get some shit for this) but I'd at least put him above the 6 tailed beast guys. Maybe Yagura above Han too, but I don't care too much about that. I also think Temari and Kankuro (War Arc) are a tier too high. No way they'd beat Deidara, multiple stronger forms of Naruto and Sasuke, and Tailed Beasts while matching up with people like base Killer Bee. Kankuro specifically shouldn't be that high up because he kinda just sucks tbh and shouldn't be higher than Chiyo. What does he do other than plagiarize all of Sasori's puppet work? Also, I'm happy to see Sasori that high up. I actually think that's justified. He's part of the "Kishimoto had to find a way to kill him" squad. - Mainly because of the physical feats point I mentioned before delving in, I think all the Sakuras are just too high. I know many people have already stated that disagreement, but I think she would realistically be closer to Tsunade. Even if she did stuff during the Kaguya fight, I feel like she was only able to because of her physical prowess and Kishimoto was just trying to find a way to shoehorn her in. She doesn't have the versatility, super speed, super defense, crazy whack jutsu, etc. to be comparable to Sasuke and Naruto that many times. - I know Shisui wasn't ranked but I presume he would be in Demi-God tier. Also, I wish we got to see prime Itachi and Nagato, but I think with Edo, their placements are reasonable. Maybe they could both be a couple spots higher? I know Kabuto Sage Mode battled both EMS Sasuke and Edo Itachi, but the win condition for the Uchihas was to capture, not kill, and that's significantly harder to do when Kabuto had an insane terrain advantage and they basically had to fight on his terms. I also think even if Itachi and Nagato wouldn't be able to beat Kabuto Sage Mode, they have a significantly better matchup against people in higher tiers. These are my thoughts. I welcome constructive discussion. Once again, thanks so much Swag and friends for making this.
I agree with everything shisui is Demi god because he scales to itachi just wit out the op susanoo abilities other than that his genjustu is better his speed is faster plus it was stated his fires styles was one of the strongest because how he manipulated it with his blade also the chakra nature wind along sides the fire. A small detail to add is his ken justu was elite too so itachi and shisui are equal if not give shisui the small edge lmao his my fav character. Sakura I like her but her character is poorly written but she’s not keeping up wit hashirama and madara durability and raw power they literally fought for days non stop can change the whole landscape and treat multi tailed beast like pets also their battle iq are higher imagine growing up in the warring age when your fighting since your 7 or can manage to hold a blade. On top of that Sakura is the best medical ninja no doubt but hashirama cells are OP plus he can regenerate his own organs instantly wit no hand seals
I feel like putting this much value in Sakura's Kaguya feat is the same as saying that child Himawari is more powerful than Naruto because she knocked him out once.
Kaguya's durability and Naruto(base) is entirely different. That feat of Sakura is also different because she was able to not only destroy her horns but also disfigure Kaguya's face.
@@alex-rs6ts manga shows her horn being cut off and her getting really bad damage face. They nerfed her in the anime ,but it can be interpreted in the sense you are explaining. Still can’t downplay her actual physical strength here because this was a much exponentially stronger kaguya.
I don't think Sakura staggering Kaguya for a brief moment is a sign of high power level. Tsunade probably would be able to do the same. I think she belongs to Kage level(which is still remarcable considering how ass she was during the whole series).
idk i disagee seeing as tsunade needed like two hits just to break madaras susanoo and got clapped by him plus sakura is just blatantly stated to be stronger than tsunade
@@guyhathansaintil5218 LOL, if madara had the intent to kill tsunade he would’ve. He was toying with all the kages it’s even implied . Sakura ain’t even top50 she gets shit on by 70% of the characters underneath her, SWAGKAGE was just trolling YALL
@@EOMMunaware wow u are just so wrong about so many things u said but to adress your first point that dosent change my point it actually helps it it took her 2 hits to hurt a madara who was much weaker than kaguya she is definitely not hurting kaguya i feel like u didn't understand what i said and to sakura being strong again adult sakura is literally stronger than everyone in the village except for naruto and sasuke
Swag, you need to understand there’s a discrepancy between just being physically stronger than somebody than overall being stronger. You admit it yourself that start of shippuden Kakashi is above Sakura & Naruto, but forget Kakashi thinks a punch by her would kill him… but that doesn’t mean he’ll lose the fight just due to that deduction. Sasori’s fight with her is similar. Sasori would die if his body was hit by her, but Sakura on her own isn’t winning that fight regardless of that notion. War Arc Sakura could PERHAPS one shot Juubito, but is she going to get to? No, he won’t allow her. Once Obito realized senjutsu and taijutsu was his weakness (which he acknowledges after Naruto hits him via teleportation w/ Tobirama), he began taking it a bit seriously and their teleportation just flat out doesn’t work. Nor are they able to blitz him. If Juubito decides to fly and crimson barrier juubi blast Sakura, she loses. Juubito was clearly so much stronger than everybody there and lost only to Naruto breaking his resolve. So no, she’s getting negged by him too. Now here we are with Kaguya.. just like Six said, Kaguya doesn’t acknowledge Sakura WHATSOEVER. If Sakura is this one shot god potential character like you claim she is, then she should’ve just one shotted all of the six path characters that stood against her.. but she didn’t.. because overall she is much weaker. Also, Juubito is aware of Minato and Tobirama’s teleporting shenanigans. So obviously he’d be prepared for it, this is not a speed feat for Sakura lol. Kaguya is preoccupied with Naruto and Sasuke primarily, so obviously the person she regards as irrelevant she won’t really pay attention to. Six brings up great points against your claims regarding her. There’s a lot more to these fights than just raw powerscaling, there’s story connotations toward them as well. Sasuke and Naruto only get the better of Juubito despite him being vastly superior because of what’s happening in the story and how Naruto is cracking him down emotionally. If you put bloodlusted Juubito, no story, then he obliterates them. It’s a similar thing to war arc Sakura scaling above people characters like Juudara just because she hit a careless Kaguya. Ironically, you state that context matters regarding Naruto hitting Kabuto with the rasengan but fail to apply that logic towards Sakura hitting Kaguya. But yes, Adult Sakura would one shot Juudara. Madara’s dead and she’s had 10 years to get stronger, bit hard to refute it. You can have that, I guess.
You are absolutely right with what you said brother. He doesn’t understand that with scaling, you gotta use some logic too. Going off of swags logic: shinki and base boruto is stronger than adult sasuke cus they DaMaGeD HiM and sasuke never could. So ur right with Sakura being obviously weaker than the likes of juubidara and Juubiyo and others. But adult Sakura is definitely not stronger than juubidara bro and u know that
@@EOMMunaware harsh. In terms of accomplishments there’s no comparison between her and the rest of the main cast, but she’s really not as useless as people think. I would argue that she is top 10 by the end of the series as far being the most powerful/capable characters.
One big point in favor Tobirama: He's one of the few characters shown to be able to break out of Edo Tensei through sheer power. The only reason why Orochimaru managed to stop him was because he was reincarnated in a Zetsu body. Now this is pretty nutty, since Kabuto's Edo Tensei were reincarnated into regular human bodies, yet someone like Nagato couldn't break out of it.
@@hyypio764 Again when did they said that? Because I watched the scene not long ago and I don't remember anything about that zetsu make you weaker thing
Hey Swag I had a weird thought earlier. What if Kakazu forcibly stole Hidan’s heart out of his chest and added it to his collection? Hidan’s heart is literally immortal so if Kakazu added it to his collection, wouldn’t that mean that kakazu would also be 100% immortal? I NEED ANSWERS BRO HELP MEEEE
They don't answer these kinds of questions. I asked them once if Hidan was able to use the 8 gates would he die or would he be one of the strongest but they told me too many factors to consider and it's one of those things that not even they have a answer to and we'd have to ask the author.
@@doubledeputyd4242 I can understand though, they'd have to use a lot a of headcannon, so while they could give you an answer, they could give you a real/definitive one.
@@doubledeputyd4242 Though situations like this are probably why most jutsu are as tightly controlled as they are by clans, I mean yeah to protect the business interest but could you imagine what would happen if someone who could regenerate (a trait that is known to exist) got their hands on the gates? Would the same rules still apply to them? Nobody knows, but its most telling narratively that nobody wants to find out either.
I don’t think it would make him immortal cus it isn’t his heart, he didn’t sacrifice anything to Lord Jashin so he wouldn’t get the Immortality blessing, at least that’s my headcannon
Best case scenario for the Sakura vs Kaguya thing is Kaguya is just more concerned about the two people chasing her with the actual wincon against her. So she probably just underestimated Kaguya+ Mental Amp+ Byakugo not collecting her Chakra.
Kaguya had also no chakra at that point. However, Sakura hitting and actually being able to move Kaguya with punch is illogical considering Kaguya is literal god. This scene was put to show Sakura doing something with Naruto&Sasuke. Kishimoto also loves to show giril power scenes.
3 hours? Oh boy! Swagkage the movie. I'll get my popcorn boys! The amount of dedication to this is commendable! Put the 4-hour video up!! I would watch it!!
I'm just saying characters in Naruto learning more than a couple weapons is rare. You're telling me Guy never learned chakra knuckle dusters or blade gauntlets but has a pocket nunchuk? So then, let it sink in that Tenten knows ALL the weapons.
Tenten did spend the time to learn how to use a bunch of weapons that have a very low skill ceiling compared to ninjutsu and has almost nothing but anti-feats throughout the series. Yeah, dude, idk...
The way I think you can see the Sakura feat is that her whole thing fighting-wise has always been hitting harder than you’d expect, during the bell training session kakashi states that if he gets hit by Sakura then he would die, but that doesn’t mean that she’s above kakashi at that point, then during her fight against sasori, she has enough attack potency to destroy hiruko and the 3rd kazekage puppet but she also destroys sasori’s puppet body but that doesn’t mean she’s kage or above kage level. The same could apply to kaguya fight Sakura. She just has the attack potency to damage kaguya but that doesn’t mean she’s six paths cloak naruto level. I think that she’s just ten tails level or six paths level (mainly because she has that feat where she helps obito open four of kaguyas dimensions). I know that from a powerscalers perspective I doesn’t make sense that a character can hit harder than another that’s blatantly one or two tiers above them, but for Sakura it makes sense due to the narrative that kishimoto was pushing for her.
I always assumed that you take everything into account, but you can still have someone who's physically stronger be below someone who's in a higher tier due ot other feats and techniques. So i think you have the best take about it
@@Frosty_V0 at BEST? she has jutsu that could over power most kage, and her fears during the war arc could be rivaled by very few characters. War Sakura and beyond is easily a godly character in this anime as this video states
The best part about base Six Paths Naruto chopping the God Tree down, was the fact that he didn't even mean to; he was throwing it at Madara and the shuriken blades indirectly cut it down lmao
He put Isshiki higher then Baryon Mode Naruto when we seen Isshiki kicking Naruto after his baryon ran out. Only reason Naruto survived was because of Kawaki LMAO He even put Boro right below three eyed madara. This tier list is beyond shit
I don't understand Sakura's scaling. I don't mean this video, I just mean in general. How did she make such a sudden jump to where she's able to damage Kaguya? This scales her above both Six Paths Madara and 8 Gates Guy. Narratively, how is this even possible?
Plot & thematic relevance at the cost of narative consistency. That's why Sakura is almost unanimously hated. She is a side character shoved into the main cast without proper main character growth but rather a sudden, undeserved plot convenience power boost to catch up to her peers. You do not simply go from barelly being able to stand infront of madara/obito to damaging Kaguya let alone speed blitz her.
jubidara and 8 gates guy yeah both of them arent on the same league . SAKURA SCALING WOULD PUT HER ABOVE GUY THATS FOR SURE BUT 3 EYED MADARA NAH . YES SHE MAY BE STRONGER BUT SHE ISNT FASTER NOR HAXED SINCE MADARA TRAVEL SPEED IS FASTER MADARA CAN KEEP A DISTANCE AND CREATE LIMBO CLONES THAT WOULD F SAKURA . SO SHE DOESNT SCALE ABOVE MADARA
@@writersblock1016I agree, but I watch this video on repeat a lot, so I set this time stamp for myself and anyone else since it comes to grinding halt talking about Sakura.
@@venomz8888thanks bro kuz holy shit I almost had a stroke listening to that Sakura bullshit part at no point should she be above KCM2+SM Naruto and fckin 6 paths at that all because of ONE punch on Kaguya who wasn’t paying her no mind whatsoever lol she literally had to announce her presence while throwing that punch but thnx for letting me know how to skip that bullshit😂
Also, Sasuke always performed just as well as Naruto in their fights aside from the Isshiki fight bc of Baryon Mode. Sasuke wasn’t low on chakra in any of their team fights. They meme on him for being outta chakra in the time travel arc bc Urashiki snatched a portion of it and nerfed him for that entire arc. They just over exaggerate it. Sasuke was fine on chakra vs Momoshiki, Jigen, and Isshiki.
It was shown that people who had their chakras stolen by Urashiki had to enter the ER in the Konoha hospital for a couple of days to recover their chakra because they were on their deathbed. So this is actually a feat for Sasuke.
People care more about calling inconsistencies in the plot than enjoying the show. It goes so far that they have to create these things in their head so they can seem cool
@@kamicloudss I’m with you on the second half, but what is wrong with noticing plot inconsistencies, they often break ones enjoyment of a show if they exist. Making up inconsistencies is never good but noticing actual inconsistencies is fine.
@@fluff6811 I think I worded that wrong. What I meant is that people focus too much on actively seeking them out and will convince themselves of it, over actually taking the story as it’s supposed to have been. There’s gonna be inconsistencies in Naruto, it was drawn and written by one man for 15 years and it’s fair to point them out, but at one point it just goes too far
The fact that six path tools tenten got into kage tier makes me feel validated as someone who feels tenten is without a doubt top 3 under-utilised characters and is the most interesting girl from konoha
How is ems madara above sage hashirama, if you’re going by “who would win” hashirama beat madara with the nine tails in a madara bloodlusted fight while hashirama was just trying to stop him
Hashirama had to use sage mode to counter Madara’s usage of the nine tails. Even after Hashirama tames the nine tails, Madara fights him while he’s in sage mode and Madara almost won but he got “tricked” by a wood clone which was pure bs. If anything Hashirama is a fraction stronger than EMS Madara.
Because of hashirama healing abilities, remember for Madara to have suck a high opinion of them he must have beat the shit out of Hashirama multiple times yet still lose, to back this up in the manga we get a look on how damaged Hashirama was mid his final fight with Madara and yet he was more damaged than he was at the end of the fight. Tldr; Regeneration op.
Biggest issue with powerscaling - not just for Naruto but all Shonen in general like One Piece, Bleach etc. - is that the authors of those series don't make tier lists where their characters rank in power like fans do and stick to it. They make it up as they go along based on how they feel or what the story and plot demands. The authors don't add up all their multipliers they give characters to figure out where character's stand via calc's. Author don't give Character A a better feat than Character B to show A is stronger. Authors don't backup every boost in power a character gets by explaining it logically like they trained or unlocked a new technique which boosts their power etc. Authors just make characters as powerful as they want on the fly and draw cool fights. Does it make sense Sakura got a ludicrous boost in power out of nowhere with no logical explanation to the point she went from being unable to make Madara flinch to smacking Kaguya around like she were her personal bunny-eared punching bag? No. There is no logical in-universe explanation - "mental amp" or other - as to where this boost in power came from because it didn't come from in-universe, it came from Kishimoto wanting his three main characters to all be roughly on par in power by the series end because of thematic narrative and symbolism. Because unlike fans, authors don't give a damn about powerscaling. It's their universe so if Kishimoto wants to make Sakura be on par with Six Paths Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke then he will, even if it doesn't make any logical in-universe powerscaling sense. He's the creator, he'll do as he pleases with his creation, fans and powerscalers be damned.
What’s crazy is that the disagreement amongst fans on her character comes from the symbolism and narrative structure. I personally don’t think Kishimoto wanted them to be on par with each other at all. I interpreted the significance as them all being together fighting and contributing against Kaguya. There’s nothing symbolic about her being on par with them. They are MEANT the leave her and Kakashi both in the dust. Because the main story is Naruto and Sasuke, it’s all about their reflection in one another. Sakura’s significance in the story is the taming of Sasuke with her love for him. Her power is irrelevant to me because it’s not her purpose in the story.
@@jmeds94 Yep. Also power scaling doesn't fit in a manga like Naruto. We learn that an inferior shinobi can beat a jonin/kage when using the right jutsu. Take Tenten. With that OP weapon she can become God-Tier, mostly considering how good she is with weapon handling in general.
I wonder how far Oda in particular does power-scaling, he explictly ranks inside the story the characters of the enemies of most arcs in pretty-defined tiers of power with sizeable jumps in between each. And even the characters themselves by numbering them explictly, at least twice I think it happened.
@@TiomesTheOne Naruto has not been very faithful to the idea that characters can cleverly bridge the gap, and the broad consequences of that being true. The structures based around combat power are still very rigid, it clearly seems like a character that is on a certain tier will most often check lower-tier characters very consistently. And people know what a "hokage-level fight/character" is like. And about characters with gimmicks, it seems to me that even if there are characters that hard-counter other characters, often those just have OP abilities overall and hard-counter many characters that cant just effectively damage them. It's not that the characters cleverly check other characters, most often (of course there are examples of that still).
@@jmeds94 Yeah, I've been thinking basically the same thing while watching this, and about Sakura. She's meant to be slightly stronger than Tsunade, and that's fine.
It definitely sounds incorrect but there are a lot of statements surrounding boro that would make him as strong as the other Kara members(code,delta,koji, etc…..) and Sarada puts in the most work against Boro before he goes berserk so Sarada should at least someone scale to boro. It’s just boruto going crazy with the power creep and not really caring about how much sense it makes narratively.
@@DrUmar-gu4kp Well that's dumb, why not have multiple variants of Boruto, because Boruto from the academy is light years weaker than current base Boruto.
Good video but I don’t understand why you guys get so fixated on one feat and think the whole character scales to that. We’re not talking about dbz here, everyone has very diverse stats and techniques. Saying “Sakura hurt Kaguya” or “a path of pain out sped sage Naruto” does not at all put them on the same tier. You’re talking about people with literally 1 Jutsu, doing what they’re best at doing, in situations that are extremely unfairly tilted in their favors. Sakura punches really hard that’s literally her entire offense so of course if you give her an open shot she can hurt someone way out of her league, 1v1 with Kaguya though she would have never even been able to get near her let alone land that punch. The Preta path is even worse he had literally no offense and you guys are saying he’s stronger than the Sanin, kages, and akatsuki members? Would you say you’re on prime Muhamed Ali’s level if he were getting jumped by Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, and Tyson fury and you sucker punched him in the back of the head and caused damage? Hell no so idk how you figure you can scale her whole character off of that.
@@LetsPlayerAshe Fair. but the only novel feat I can remember reading was her giving extra chakra to that fake jinchuriki, causing it to pretty much get cancer. Very impressive but even that was delivered through punches.
i dont know how 3 eyed madara is below naruto and sasuke despite him stalemating them in a 2v1? if he stalemating them in a 2v1, wouldn't he beat them 1v1.
@@B00MR0ASt3D she destroyed Kido who was an anbu captain turned nine tails jinchuriki thanks to a drug, that drug was stated to get Kido up to the level of Kurama when he attacked the leaf village
One thing about the Sakura punch is that should be noted is where the contact took place. Sakura's punch was in a more impactful area that leads to worse contact absorption. When Naruto hit Kaguya from the distraction, he hit her in the cheek. Both sweet spots but the impact of where would benefit the damage. I know anime supersedes the aspect of reality since the beginning, but boxing showcases the difference of impact between punches. Even illegal love taps to the back of the head are very dangerous to the body.
Naruto gets big temporary mental/emotion amps thats why his power level is scattered throughout the show. Chakra is composed of mind and body. The power of the mind and emotion can literally affect and boost chakra. Also.. I still cannot believe this Tobirama downplay. You put him below Sage Mode Jiraiya??????? I'm in shock. Madara literally said Tobirama was faster than him when they were alive. He's blitzing KCM1 Naruto. You guys are so terrible on the topic of Tobirama its insane. There's no reason to put his edo form over his alive form, Madara admitted Tobirama was nerfed so badly by the Edo Tensei that he couldn't regain his former ability to fight Madara.
Hm, thats interesting. Thats exactly why ichigo and kenpachi are so strong in bleach, its the same effect emotion affects spiritual pressurem and I think ichigo's desire to protect makes him strong. And kenpachi. battle lust amps him as well. Ik two totally different anime. But still. Xd
Nah, Tobirama's garbage. While we hear about his powers and the ninjutsu he invented we dont actually see him do anything powerful at all through out the entire show.
1:17:08 Kakashi became a Genin at the age of 5. Kakashi became a chunin at the age of 6. Kakashi became a jounin at the age of 12-13. All this without the sharingan, he has some feats (not including the sharingan). He even has his dad's sword, and yes he knows how to use Rassengan.. And also for a small part of his life he was trained by the white Fang.
"age of 5-6" Exactly 5 "age of 6-7" Exactly 6 "age of 12-13" This is the weird one but if you believe the Manga holds more weight then the Databooks Exactly 8 (The Manga shows Obito Rin & Kakashi taking the Chunin exams at the same time(only Kakashi & Obito becoming Chunin) meaning Kakashi must be 4ish years younger then Obito as Obito became a Chunin at 11 years old(Obito's birthday is before Kakashi's that's why its 4ish years as its possible Obito's birthday(Feb 10) had passed while Kakashi's(Sep 15) hadn't come up yet)
@@JoannaHatake4922 It depends on how you consider the Databooks authority Like if you value the Databook's more Shisui is the youngest as Adult Obito & Adult Kakashi are stated the same age and Obito is 13 in Kakashi Gaiden meaning Kakashi would be 13 However the Databook is going against the Manga in this case as we know for a fact Kakashi became a Chunin at 6 & Obito at 11 and its shown they take the Chunin Exams at the same time and become Chunin at the same time So Manga = 8 Databook = 13 How I interpret the Databook is that Obito is the same age as Kakashi Physically due to Obito having Hashirama Cell's
The only thing in this whole video that seems off to me is that Hagoromo would be weaker than Six Paths Naruto and Sasuke despite Hagoromo being the reason they become Six Paths. I could be convinced of that placement, but it seems really weird that Hagoromo would be weaker despite the power Naruto and Sasuke have as Six Paths characters is seemingly intended to be Hagoromo's power passed on to them. Not only that, but he gave that power to both of them, so he should be stronger than both of their power together because that power was his to begin with.
yeah it's tricky, he gave each of them a roughly 10 tailed amp or larger, so well over what they started with. It's possible they got stronger as they fought but yeah ghost sage is atleast double 10 tails in power at absolute minimum. When he was alive he was also the 10 tail host so that's 3 at minimum. Tbh I think the statment on madara approaching him was refering to his ghost version, lines up more logically, but who knows.
ya i was kinda upset about hagoromo being quite low but he is very weird to talk about and he's kind of his own topic. like him being able to basically talk into 2 dimensions at once like he did with sasuke and naruto that's something ishiki could not do
The only thing off was that? So base Tsunade being way above Kabuto who slapped the shit out of her isn't off. Or Tsunade with the 100 healings barely beating Armless Orochimaru? Should we talk about 3rd Hokage being below Ay and Onoki despite being conformed conformed stated by Kabuto to be the strongest 1 of the 5 kage? Oh my favourite argument, they just got stronger deal with it. Prove it? Tsunade getting deleted by Madara isn't a feat for Tsunade lmao. Ay losing to MS Sasuke doesn't make him above the 3rd Hokage let alone a whole tier.
@@deanalhassan2610 I don't have the patience to explain why those don't apply. If all you did was look at the tier list at the end, actually watch the video, and if you did watch it, watch it again. Swag and Six explain every single one of their choices for why each character is where they are. Swag and Six are legitimately professional Naruto lore experts, and even if you don't take their statements as gospel, they have to reread and rewatch parts of the series, and sometimes the whole series numerous times just to make videos about it, and likely have better reasons and a better understanding of the series overall than you would or you think they would for their choices.
Maybe it's chakra itself why Kaguya didn't reacted to Sakura. Hagoromo gave Sasuke and Naruto chakra that was familiar to her. So she was focused on something that she knows and recognises.
The problem with "chunin-level" is that 90% of adult ninjas are chunin, so it varies wildly
Fax bro and mfs was doubting Lee 💀
Yeah that tier is kinda useless in naruto, most genins in the manga can demolish chunins, and when these genins finally reach the chunin rank, they fight against akatsuki members...
@@eclate95 ikr XD
teens*
@@epictony5397 no, adults
“I’m pretty sure I know people irl who can beat Kankuro” 😭😭
This had me FLOORED LMFAOOOOOOOO
Genin Naruto ez diff 360 noscope Kankuro with his fat momma and daddy barbie dolls. Genin Naruto is stronger than kurama Naruto. Genin Naruto defeated third hokage who is the strongest hokage.
Don't let that distract you from the fact that Sakura saying "I finally caught up" gave Jiraya 7 broken ribs from laughing
Nah because I think I really do 😂 my sensei no cap claps him
@@twixtys3121 Madara enters for first time
Madara: 4th war shinobis 🥷 attack me
Kakashi: no, our Kankuro will 1v1 360 noscope you
Ez diff
Madara dies from laughing
Time stamp?
Can we honestly just appreciate the amount of effort Swag puts into his videos?
True that!
I haven’t gotten through the entire thing but I’m hoping to see kakuzu On the highest tier that raw durability 😪
after constantly going on month long hiatuses it better be
Even watching it need a lot of effort
Man puts his all into every videos. Favorite UA-cam by far
Swag: "At worst, Like if she like stole your credit card info, she's ten tails"
Also Swag: *Puts her back below Ten Tails into God*
Well then Sakura just stole his credit card info. Simple.
@@leonglitch I guess so. Lol
@@leonglitch and the debit card!
She had stupid plot buff, she should have next to war arc Sakura
@@junior523naruto and sasuke receiving asspull power up from their magical ninja sky grandpa wasn’t “stupid plot buff”?
Jesus, I didn’t imagine he would put that many characters in this tier list. That’s dedication!
lord's name in vain sir.
@@tuglord02 Stop it lmao
@@_Shackled it is what it is lol✍️
@@tuglord02 maybe he doesn’t believe in Jesus lol
Dedication to money
They just have better *raw durability*
They just have better *experience*
ehm ehm : " rasenshuriken ignores durability" "how the edo raikage tanked it ?" " cuz he had better RAW DURABILITY 1!1!1!!!!"
kakuzu>>>>ishiki
@@zazz_ lol
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I just want to mention the Hidan stands no chance against Gaara in any way shape or form. Not saying Gaara is a god-tier monster part one, but his kit is a hard counter to Hidan. Hidan doesn't have any damage output to get to Gaaras blood. Also, Gaara could and would turn the battlefield into sand, making Hidans ritual circle impossible to maintain or or even draw.
Tru that
Not sure if his ritual has to be on the ground he could be able to pull it off on a tree or something but yeah he is still ass
@@zdiii3795 Perhaps not on the ground per se, but it does have to be complete, unbroken, and with him inside. And against an opponent like Gaara who can terraform at will, its just too hard a counter I believe for Hidan to have any kind of answer for.
@@enrath4078 yeah Garra hard counters him
Tearing him apart with sand, burying him in hundreds of tons of sand, blocking his scythe and spike so he can't cut him. He's not touching Gaara. Seriously. Why is he Akatsuki?
Is it just me or did Tenten get more screen time here than in all of Naruto and Naruto Shippuden combined
Nah just you trying to be funny with a lame, old joke. 🤷♂️
@@NvrByte notice how I'm not wrong
@@DirtyBobBojangles notice how you are wrong? That's like being on sb ass for making an ohio joke 2-3 years ago. The joke was popular then and now it's not.
@@NvrByte dude I seriously thought you would have noticed 🤦♂️
The tenten joke is WAY older than a year, and this comment is about a year old. It's been old since he made that comment, so my statement stands correct. I can't believe I had to walk you through that.
@@NvrByte you're a clear example of brain rot. Get off your phone and read a book.
The amount of fuckin dedication to make this video, props up to you
Ong
Nice pfp lul
I have a list too, honestly pretty similar to swag's list here. i did end up trying to put the wierdo boruto scale characters somewhere tho, so those were a bit wonky, but other than that, my list was pretty close.
ua-cam.com/video/6q_VUfkusUQ/v-deo.html
It was a lot of effort, but most of it made no sense. Not hating or trolling, but my observation, and not my opinion see the facts. The way they are judging what tier people go in is shid
I don't know if you're immensely dedicated or fucking insane to do this, but either way you've made my day.
Amazing video, as always.
It’s his job sooooo…?
@@drinkswatere I was saying he went above and beyond for this video, which he didn't have to do.
Which part of that was confusing?
@@赤青白 yeah if he didnt do *every* single character, no one would have an issue. he chose to be this thorough himself
@@赤青白 osdssddek
Tbh, Swag is one if not my favorite Naruto UA-camrs. He gives us conent that is great and he dedicates alot of time to us. Thanks Rob.
WILLPOWAA
Oh yea, Swag is the king of Naruto UA-cam with all due respect to everyone else. I love this community and I fuck with everyone, but swag is such a G
Natutuber*
No contest for me. He is the best Naruto channel.
Yeah I Love swag and Seth's videos they are the best Naruto UA-camrs you could argue either of them are but I think we can all agree it's between those two
Choza states in the war arc that it’s crazy how choji can enter butterfly mode without the red pill. It’s implied choji surpassed the members of his clan, being the only one to ever use buttefly mode without the pills. So to answer(“where are the pills?”), he don’t need the pills anymore.
Nah choza doesn’t use the pills either so he might just be shocked that choji did it so fast
@@ImSuave459 choza doesn’t enter butterfly mode. Read before commenting
@@Manlikepegasus he literally does
@@Manlikepegasus databook lists him as a user
@@ImSuave459 we have never seen him use it and he literally said "choji is enterting butterfly mode without the pills". Insinuating hes never seen that done before. He can prob enter butterfly mode with the pills, but definitely not without them. The whole point of naruto is that the next generation is always that much more powerful.
Hashirama got disrespected. How is EMS Madara above him when Hashirama literally won when they fought???
Because that’s swags favorite character
It goes like this, In a Flash back during the battle with Madara when Hashirama captures the Nine tails he is badly hurt he has a Swollen eye multiple cuts on his face and blood everywhere however at the end of the fight Hashirama is in much better shape so that means Madara was actually beating Hashirama up quite a bit so that might mean that Madara was Actually stronger of the 2 but Hashirama could just outlast Madara and keep taking damage while Madara couldn't heal from the attacks he was hit with.
@@SRVaris doesn’t mean madara was stronger. He just was strong enough to severely hurt hashirama. Hashirama was stronger at that point.
@@abaileyjr97 Madara at the end of the fight showed no wounds at all so that kinda means he was beating Hashirama up
Forget that. Was I the only one who realized they actually ranked ep. 1 Naruto over a lot of his later iterations...??
This is beyond what we should expect from a UA-camr discussing a niche topic like this, couldn’t finish it in once sitting but I will definitely finish it here soon. I’m proud to be subscribed, keep up the good work swag!
Problem with scaling part 1 Naruto is the fact that he was arguably a low level chuunin fighter running around with a Jonin level jutsu. That Rasengan is dangerous 😅
Part 1 also had a lot of inconsistences with the kyuubi influences, its just hard to scale in general
@@bank2378 it all just depended on how much chakra Kurama gave him that's why it's so hard to scale. The only clear thing is the more emotional Naruto is the more chakra Kurama gives.
Don't forget how shadow clone jutsu was at least a jonin level or higher jutsu, his clones were actual living beings with feelings and thoughts, his whole aresenal actually was way past his level at that time period lol sometimes I wish he learned a bunch more jutsu from the forbidden scroll, homie would have been using Kage level jutsu
honestly rasengan might as well be kage lvl ngl
@@bank2378 Part 1 being part 1; Hiruzen is the strongest Kage behind Minato, Naruto is a genin that managed to overpower Haku, a character that a kiri swordsman said was better than him who, in turn, was better than Kakashi, and skill was lower on the totem pole than hard work.
Part 2, in particular the war arc, straight up ruined everything established in part 1.
When it comes to Choji's pills, the draw backs might be why he didn't use them. If the red pill is eaten, death is imminent. The fifth was able to naturalize the poison, preventing death. He was able to use his butterfly mode without the pills during the war arc, which can usually only be done by use of the pills.
Hello from nine months into the future: the pills are to assist those of the Akamichi clan whom have not properly learned how to use the Butterfly Mode. They are not a necessity - but rather like a training wheel to help someone get started in their clan into turning their body mass into chakra. A seasoned Akamichi should be able to use Butterfly Mode without the pills due to practice alone.
Using steroids isn't a skill
The issue everybody has with Sakura being that strong is because powerscaling wise it doesn’t make sense, but I feel like Kishi wanted to have that moment of “Team 7 is all grown up and strong together” so he wanted Sakura to be relative to the others without really earning it
Uhhh no dude it's definitely earned and it damn sure makes sense. Sakura trained with a Sannin able to fuck up madaras Sussano, She has more control of her chakra then her mentor and was fighting Sasori when she was younger. In Shippuden shes clearly seen to be stronger then OG Naruto, Even if she didn't do absolutely shit in that duration. Plus the 100 healings is a medical ninjutsu which Sakura is a pro at. I don't mind shit talking her but let's not ignore the facts
@@Witch_King_Ken thats not why it doesnt make sense lmao. It doesnt work because the other 3 members got MASSIVE amps to beat kaguya while she hadnt recived an amp since being on par with kcm 2 naruto
@@damonwade6591 all we need to do is look at her performance against madara or how sasuke no diffs her after the fight. She's trash. She hits hard it's just like Kakashi vs Tsunade, she may do better against stronger opponents but she's never killing Kakashi. Just like Sakura may have the strength to hurt kaguya realistically they are on different ability levels entirely.
Sakura don't compare 😂😂😂 how they on the same tier as naruto and sasuke she was the loser in the trio even in the war she just stood with kakashi😂😂
@@deiondre300 facts
Clicked as soon as I saw the notification Swagkage you're the best keep collabing with Six he's awesome and you guys have great chemistry
Sasuke went from *"I am the strongest in this world right now"* to *"I'm out of chakra"*
Naruto: Stop with the drugs
And the medal for the most cringe and overused joke goes to….
The “Im out of chakra” joke is just an excuse in the boruto filler, so the new gen could do more shit. IM OUTNOF CHAKRA WAS NEVER IN THE MANGA WHICH MAKES IT NON CANON THEREFORE HE NEVER SAID IT BECAUSE ITS FILLER
@@jackysanchy1988 nah bro one tailed Naruto is Urashiki level please believe me
@@pre4291 no.
@@courtneylankford7627 nigga you fr don't get irony?
*"With the nunchucks he is like resisting Kamui"* -Swagkage
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I think Kisame is being severely underestimated, but I like how you guys didn't downplay Sasori. The guy is an actual beast and people constantly downplay him since he was the first to die, but he is easily in the upper ranks of the Akatsuki with his hax poison.
He got killed by Sakurah though, that makes him fodder. Kid Konahamaru could've beaten him cuz he killed a path of pain. Plus Konahamarus teacher was better than Kakashi, so kid kona could beat Sakurah too. Probably at the same time.
Lol, a lot wrong with that statement, the main one being that you assume ONE of the weaker paths of pain is stronger than sasori, sasori should be able to 3v1 the 3 weaker paths of pain,
@@idunnygiveafock7640 wasn’t Sakura being controlled by lady chiyo most of the fight?
@@idunnygiveafock7640 Sakura had alot of prep time and Chiyo was helping her and Chiyo knew alot about Sasori had that antidote for his poison
@@idunnygiveafock7640 Need to rewatch that fight Sakura had extensive help from Chiyo and even then, Sasori LET them win and it was spelled out pretty clearly.
KCM Naruto moves faster, which is why he broke his ankle the first time he used it and Gai had to intercede to fight Kisame; it was too fast for him to handle at first. Sage mode has a lot of sensory advantages, which is why it allows for incredible reaction times.
To further illustrate that point, remember how Kakashi was told not to use the Raikiri because he couldn't react to a counter? Chakra-based abilities can amp someone's speed up past the point they can even perceive what's going on. Kakashi solved this with the Sharingan, and Naruto solved this at first by switching to sage mode when he needed to respond to someone with insane speed, then later by combining KCM with sage mode.
Yep pretty much, also sage mode could be argued to allow for some kind of precog movement in the case of danger sence etc. allowing for that kind of movement when KCM couldn't. In terms of travel speed tho, KCM is just implied and shown to be much faster.
The 3rd raikage thing is also tricky because naruto only used sage mode since he couldn't use KCM in that instant, it had run out basically, but I will admit that's pretty ambigious.
This also makes the preta path interception less mega insane, as sage mode would still be very quick, but not like raikage quick.
@@JottoHearthStone Sage mode is a new spidey sense confirmed.
@James K oh I thought kakashi just simply couldn't use the chidori because of some sort of chakra issue that the sharingan solved. Learn something knew
@@jamesk7256but KCM is faster right? I just remember that clone Naruto not being able to use kcm cause when madara appeared temari told him to use that mode and he said he couldn’t and I’m sure she didn’t mean sage mode cause he entered it right after anyway
Six i love you but Kage summit sasuke could barley stand up to 2 of the kage, let alone all of them, and Naruto's shadow clones were relative to a kage and he made like 12 of them. The clones were also treated as more important than any other human life during the fights, and naruto wasn't even fatigued.
Yh
@croma 136 Raikage being Edo doesn't take away from the feat itself. Itachi, 2nd Tsuchikage, Nagato were Edo but were problems. Besides if Naruto didn't show up Raikage would've wiped a division out alone and they wouldve had one of the strongest windstyle users lol
@croma 136 FACTSSS! So foreal, The Third Raikage wouldve wiped out a whole division with one of strongest windstyle users . Easily !!!
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43:51 "It's not like Sasuke in a week is getting a whole tier stronger"
Reminder that the war arc lasted 3 days and multiple characters jumped 4-8 tiers.
The amount of effort swag, six, seth and everyone else puts into their videos is outstanding
No
Swag? 😂
Who's six in full
@@UnchxrtedChris he’s a UA-camr but use to be a discord debater he’s very knowledgeable on naruto he stopped debating and started making great content he was actually very known in the debate community
@@solo8123 oh thx
2:41:27 So the reason to put ems Madara over Sage Mode Hashirama is "one of them has healing and one of them doesn't" meanwhile one of them brought the nine tails to the fight and one of them didn't, even in the flashback story BASE Hashirama beat EMS Madara. Like come on every character in the verse that mentions them says that Hashirama was stronger than Madara when they were alive including Madara himself.
Madara tards are beyond help , they think jubbidara beats isshiki
ikr Hashirama beats the shit out of ems madara
Yeah and like they actually fought in the anime two times while Madara had ems and I think only the last fight Hashirama used sage mode, but we don't know when he learned so he might've also used it in the first one
It doesn't even make sense because healing is hashirama's ability. It's apart of his arsenal. It's a hax. It's not an unfair advantage since it's his own power unlike the Madara having the nine tails
@@reddolphin8663 yeah hashirama beats any madara until ten tails and maybe sage mode
I would also say Fused Kisame is a bit low-balled. He bodies V2 Bee really hard. If it weren't for Samehada's betrayal, the fight would have been almost a stomp. It was one-sided without Kisame even aiming for the kill. The big thing is that pretty much any fight where Kisame can use the water dome jutsu means he's faster than his opponent. His speed in the water is just untouchable.
As for base Kisame, as long as he has Samehada, tanking a rasenshuriken is not a concern. He'd just absorb it. This is what makes him so scary: how many characters rely on easily absorbable ninjutsu. Even biju cloaks aren't a concern for him. He took a nasty hit from V2 Bee in base, but Bee was immediately reverted to V1 from chakra loss after one attack.
Yes
Is samehada shown absorbing ninjutsu? I only seen it slice a fireball in half
OMGGF facts
I don’t think samehada absorbs ninjutsu tho, just raw chakra. At least i don’t think it’s ever shown absorbing ninjutsu
@@chonckle3532 what do you think ninjutsu is made of 💀💀💀
love how Inos rank gives him such a headache lmao
No matter how many ninja the Kazekage sent after Gaara, not one of them was able to come close to touching Genin Gaara. So if weightless Rock Lee was able to hit Gaara multiple times to the point where his Sand Armor broke, he’s got to at least be Jonin-Level. Note that Might Gai made his team take the Chunin Exams late. This is why by Shippuden, Neji is already a Jonin unlike the rest of the people around his age.
Ok
Right but question neji was easily stopped by the jonin right and hes up there with 5th gate lee how is it neji was easily stopped by the jonin they completely blizted him and they are also jonin level?
@@Lelighttt Well there’s a huge difference between Jonin and High Jonin level. If Part 1 Kakashi took on Hayate, it would be a pretty short fight. Technically, even Jiraya was a Jonin. There’s a huge range of power in the Jonin Rank, and there’s a minority who is of Kage-level power who may or may not have what it takes to be an actual Kage. Neji had some Jonin-level aspects to him, but he obv wasn’t a fully seasoned Ninja by this time.
@@RedDeathAnims yes they where high jonin that did that but you wanna know else was there the itachi victim her self best in the leaf with genjustu how did he get soeed blizted by her fuck wast the chunin exams Procter also able to blizt and all we get from this sand jonin are ass
@@Lelighttt Baki literally defeated the very proctor that blitzed Neji, so how are Sand Jonin trash? And Itachi was capable of becoming Hokage by the age of 7, but he was tasked with spying on his Clan and taking the Fall for whatever happened during the massacre. If Itachi led a normal life, Kurenai would have attempted to use Genjutsu on a whole Kage. I highly suggest you watch the entire show because you sound misinformed.
A little pushback on the Delta scaling: Kawaki explicitly states that Naruto is directing Delta in such a way that her attacks don’t hit him, Boruto, and Himawari. That being said, him not being able to use his strongest jutsu, along with the fact that he had to strategically direct her movements should scale her a good amount below Naruto. Being able to guide and direct an opponent, while being suppressed due to not being able to use your most powerful techniques, is a severe handicap. So, yeah, he might’ve been going “all out”, but it wasn’t just in the sense of fighting her to beat her. It was much more than that.
Worst fight of the franchise, terrible writing , no sense , bad animation , 0 logic involved , making naruto act retarded only for the plot doesn't make it less of a retarded choice , the show is so absurdly bad.
@@CoffeeSipper555 ok so how is delta vs naruto terrible wrirting ? and as for 0 logic we know for a fact that in the novels its directly stated by kurtsuchi that the ninja tools that the leaf has can make even a civilian into a booted down version of naruto and thats with just a ninja took the size of a watch
so now how powerful do u think is delta who IS COMPLETEL MADE OF THAT SHIT . so if a wrist band can make u into a off shelf naruto how powerful would a ninja tool the size of human can make u ? SO YEAH DELTA ~ NARUTO AINT THAT BAD .
@@CoffeeSipper555 also sasuke says teh kara members are otsusuki level threats so are u telling me naruto is 1 shotting people like jubidara ? 8 gate guy etc all these people who are kaguya level threats .
PLUS DELTA CAN SHOOT LIGHT LIKE MADARA WHCIH FURTHER PROVES WHY NARUTO NEED TO USE SOME EFFORT .
NARUTO ACTING LIKE HE IS STRUGGLING TO GET DELTA TO SPILL HER PLANS IS LEGEIT ONE OF THE SMARTEST THINGS HE HAS DONE .
AND HOW DOES THE PLOT MAKE IT SEEM ARTIFICAL AND NOT NATRUAL
@@CoffeeSipper555 WHAT I MEAN IS how does the plot make it seem like forced and like it nvr should have happened and not natural like prior events would flow into this one .
@@CoffeeSipper555 Did you delete any comments or did this dude below you just rant for 3 comments straight? Just asking for context.
Do you know what I think was absolutely hilarious? If Orochimaru had perfected Edo Tensei earlier the show would have just ended because Hashirama would have just murdered Orochimaru the moment Orochimaru ordered him to kill Hiruzen and since Edo Tensei doesn't stop when the caster dies the hidden leaf would just have A nearly full power Hashirama and Tobirama both of which are immortal and have unlimited chakra. So Orochimaru's own ineptitude for mastering Edo Tensei saved him and the rest of the show.
Well no? Hashirama would be under his full control the only reason Itachi was able to break through the control was with the Most over powered Genjutsu in the series
@@agenttex5973 Orochimaru said that if hashirama wanted to he could free himself
Hashirima would’ve destroyed the continent on accident after showing Orochimaru his real power😂😂😂
@@deerofdreams1783 They clearly didn't develop Edo Tensei before shippuden, which was when that encounter with Orochimaru and Tobirama happened (early in the original Naruto), but yes if they used the theory they created in the war arc of Shippuden, that Orochimaru isn't able to control them due to their chakra levels, they would just turn around and kill him.
Imagine a scenario where Hashirama trains Naruto (as his wood style would keep the nine tails in check) And Tobirama trains Sasuke (since his dickhead fanboy Danzo got them all killed, and Hashirama would definitely have him make some amends for that whole situation he inadvertently caused through his Uchiha racism.)
The massive debate Sakura caused with that one punch, amazing.
Is the most overrated punch in the anime history, even Kisame would stomp Sakura
@andreleandro6931 now you are just being a little silly. Regardless of what you think really happened, sakura had the speed/stealth to avoid detection from a byakugan and the strength to physically damage someone not even naruto could properly damage, while using boil release. Which by the way is a technique that is said to give naruto unrivaled taijutsu power. I hate sakura as much as the next guy, but lets at least try to be genuine with the scaling
@@gageadams6747 this list is literally about Adult Sakura being more powerful than KCM2 Naruto . And Minato would eat her alive . Stop being 🤡
@@UchihaObito551 minato isnt touching kaguya, sakura not only did, but broke her horn off 😭
I THINK IT WAS JUST FOR SAKE OF NARRATIVE THATS WHY THE ENDING IS SO INCONSISTENT AND WEIRD
@@gageadams6747
I think Sakura's physical strength is used to grossly overestimate her overall power and abilities. She managed to damage kaguya but Naruto couldn't because she's PHYSICALLY much stronger than Naruto (she can output more force in her punches and kicks) this doesn't make her upper six paths level cause physical strength isn't all that important in the Naruto world. Overall skill and combat ability is what matters. To put it into perspective, tsunade is physically stronger than madara but that doesn't mean she's more powerful and she definitely wouldn't scale to him. We saw how saw how her fight with madara went.
It also seems weird that Sakura was Abel to actually break kaguyas horn it seems anime actually corrected it
Actually, people underestimate Sakura. People just say she is trash and useless and don't recognize her strenght.
On the other hand, she is not just brutal strength: she has great brains and knows medical ninjutsu (which is only for healing people, we learned that in the tsunade vs kabuto's fight
@@babyboy5553 i didn't say she was useless, she just isn't on Naruto and sasuke's level in terms of combat ability
Saying that physical strength doesn’t matters is crazy. Also Sakura isn’t lacking in skill or combat ability I don’t know where you got that from.
@@user-hc3kg4hi7p i never said that physical strength doesn't matter, i said it doesn't matter as much as skill and techniques. Sakura had no real techniques aside from the byakuya seal and medical ninjutsu. All of her other techniques are centred around physical power output which can be overcome quite easily with pretty much anything else in the Naruto universe. By your logic tsunade should be able to beat madara cause of her physical strength lmao. Sakura wouldn't even have beaten sasori if it weren't for granny chiyo and him wanting to die
Let's be real, Tenten bodies the entire boruto verse
Tenten meme's need to be put to rest, beating a dead horse out here
@@kyuubi1315 I’m assuming dead horses exist in the boruto verse so yes ur right tenten would beat them too.
And Kakuzu eats Tenten because of that *raw durability*
@@kodoqbesar4301 she would literally one shot Kakuzu with Rising Twin Dragons
@@mlh1367
But Kakuzu has that *raw durability* to survive the big bang.
The bottom of this tier list definitely depends on how much respect you give to the title of "Chunin."
Land of Waves Sasuke smacks the two Chunin-level demon brothers. Which makes it seem shitty.
However, after all the fights in the Chunin exams, the only one who gets promoted is Shikamaru. Which makes it seem significant.
You don't even makes sense. You would if you remembered that to become a chunin it's not just about fighting power but leadership skill and so on. When the Sasuke vs Garaa fight got interrupted, Genma, the proctor said to Sasuke that he is already at chunin level and that his first chunin mission would be to follow and take out Garaa
Well don’t forget that the exam was ambushed before finishing so they didn’t get to chose properly. Also Sasuke is a chunin level fighter, but that doesn’t mean he’s capable of leading a squad.
Its just kinda inconsistent in early naruto how powerful a chunin is. Which makes sense, because like 90 percent of adult ninja are chunin
@@filipgasic2642 I think we're making the same core point: there's a difference between how a village gives titles to their ninja, compared to the ninja's ability to defeat an opponent. But this video's tier list is clearly about fighting ability. It would be ridiculous to make a tier list based on anything else.
Please give us that 4 hour discussion video, where you reorganize the list.
Doesn't even make sense. How are Naruto and Sasuke above Kaguya? Indra and Ashura above the Sage of Six Paths himself, Hagoromo? Itachi being stronger than Nagato? Especially Sakura (Kaguya Fight) being stronger than Obito and Madara when all she did was heal Obito and punch Kaguya ONCE when she was falling mid-air with her full attention against Naruto and Sasuke from sealing her away for eternity.
@@bbrandumbbFax ong it makes no sense tbh
They placed Hashirama above Edo Hashirama, but Edo Tobirama above Tobirama. Also he placed EMS Madara above Hashirama, even though Hashirama literally won EVERY SINGLE FIGHT he had against Madara while holding back to not kill him. At the end, Madara used the nine tails to try to defeat Hashirama and it didn't even work lmao, he got killed by Hashirama and only got saved by Izanagi.
This list has so many wrong placements lol
@@bbrandumbbfr obito no diffs her obviously
@@joaquincasascortes624 He also put Juubi Madara below Six Paths Naruto and Rinne-Sharingan Sasuke, despite the fact he practically low-diffed both of them with barely a scratch-while actively not caring about the fight and focusing on something else entirely.
1:30:49 I believe the given reason for Choji not eating the pills in the war is that he has at that point mastered the Amikichi clan jutsu. The pills are essentially medicine that rapidly converts their fat and calories into pure chakra to enhance their power. But once he fights in the war, he ends up mastering his own chakra/calorie control, meaning he doesn't need the pills. If I remember right, Choji's dad straight up says "Yeah, the pills won't help anymore". But I could be remembering it wrong.
EDIT: Added a timestamp to Swag's comment and also clarified that I might be remembering wrong, since I haven't read the manga in a while.
Swag wasn't asking why he didn't use them in the war. He wondered why he didn't use them when Pain attacked the leaf village. Yeah, during the war arc, he evolves past needing them, but up till that point, those pills were still his ace in the hole, so why didn't he or his dad use them against Pain?
@@Twiska Maybe they thought it wouldn’t be enough? idk. Or more likely, because plot.
@@Twiska Okay, I misheard Swag's statement there. But i guess i have to ask: Do you think Choji with the red pill in this scenario would be stronger than the Sage Toads who Pain was able to break the bones of with a single Shinra Tensei?
@@cherrychocolate1434 probably
I want to see the full 4 hours. I just like hearing you guys discuss this stuff.
Tbh same I like video essays
Yeah I think the editing towards the end should’ve just stayed uncut, it got confusing with all the jumps
Yeah pls send the whole thing kinda just wanna binge and listen too it.
Same
I demand Swag's uncut bathroom break
Haven't missed a single second of this video. Amazing work Swag and Six (well, and Seth later on). It's insanely difficult to properly rank OVER 300 CHARACTERS without having some inconsistencies, but taking everything into account, this is probably the best and the most justified tierlist anyone could ever compose. Again, amazing work, as always. Much love.
The deterMination 🤣
Swag and six should do a watch through of shippuden together as. A series, now that we're like so far away from shippuden being over, I don't think them rehashing episodes straight up would be a bad idea.
Can't believe you forgot to scale Fetus Sarada, one of the most slept on characters in anime. She was able to cripple a Post-War Sakura and even incapacitate her with her final attack, leaps and bounds above anything Jiraiya or Itachi could do.
This means that fetal Hagoromo and Hamura are the most OP fetal characters for their damage to Kaguya.
@@blubhead8086 ong
First comment I spot & auto-choke on food laughing 🤣
HHAHAA
@@blubhead8086 fetal hagoromo off screened kaguya
The only problem I have is scaling Shino because even though he doesn't have many feats, the feats he has are insane sometimes! And even what's implied from him during the retrieval Arc when he goes on that secret mission with his clan leader during HIGH ALERT in the village
he also almost fucks mitsuki boruto and shikamaru
@@generic6ixty5ive he wouldve if he wasn't like actively trying not to or something haven't watched that bit in forever plus he wasn't as strong because he couldn't control himself
He has alot of feats. It's just in the anime.
Material which the fanbase dont like
He is shown to be really intelligent and in my opinion they showed his intelligence better than they do shikamaru's intelligence.
All of shikamaru's intelligence feats are pretty overhyped even by the show itself imo. Whenever shino fights he outsmarts his opponent with practical, reasonable tactics that work, as opposed to shikamaru's overly complicated plans that have statistically failed more than they succeeded.
There’s a video about how OP Shino is that deserves a watch. I honestly think he’d do pretty well against Gaara just because the bugs could burrow through the sand. And then I think he blows through the sound four. He’d have some trouble with Kidomaru’s archery or Jirobo’s strength, but if he can stay well hidden (like a ninja should) he could get the drop on them and take them out before they could retaliate.
Sakura hitting Kaguya was circumstantial. She's not striking her without Naruto or Sasuke. Sakura also received zero buffs or training between the time she obtained byakugou seal, to fighting Kaguya.
But she still is the best female ninja and best medical ninja. Also, the 3rd strongest in the show
@@fugazy2656 not the 3rd strongest in the show but probably the third strongest alive person
Way to look at a feat for how it was intended and not blowing it out of proportion like everyone else dude!
@@fugazy2656 3rd strongest in the show? nah I'll put her top 20
@@toriichi4312 nigga she ain’t even top 50. 70% of the characters underneath Sakura can stomp her in every form she got. Seagkage was just tripping hard on this vid, he was acc trolling u can tell how he tried to hold his laugh 🤣🤣
A little late but a laser gun damaged Goku off guard and that’s just how anime off guard works.
Well, does Naruto have something like HxH where they reinforce their bodies with nen so the damage they receive is lessened? Cuz I don't think there was anything like that in Naruto from what I remember
@@appleseed4672 No bc both naruto and sasuke have a laser gun level off guard moment. Naruto when sasukes sword gets controlled and stabs him in the stomach and sasukes when he gets his rinnegan gouged out
@@YourMom-dd3jo Yep, exactly there are just some tropes in anime that will always be inconsistent. Just like sealing techniques. No matter how strong a opponent is compared to the other person 90% of the time it works.
@@YourMom-dd3jo its because the force behind the weapons was hard enough to penetrate them, not because they were off guard or atleast not mostly.
@@ProjektTaku naruto tamks the juubi bomb in base and makes it out with a broken arm at most. theres no way an on gaurd adult naruto is a;most dying to a sword
You do know that the third raikage was letting Temari hit him. He told the whole alliance his weaknesses. He wasn’t fighting seriously until Kabuto took full control of him
Isnt it crazy, That a clone of Naruto was kage level? Keep in mind every shadow clone, HALVES Naruto's chakra. This Naruto could easily only have like. 20% power
@@thenexus7343 narutos chakra is technically infinite cuz kurama and he is uzumaki so clones are as strong as naruto I think
@@thenexus7343 no, clones aren't half one's strength, it's just a copy that's less durable, has less chakra, and slightly weaker than the original, it's not a complete power cut
@@thenexus7343 I think that statement applied to kid naruto who didn’t have proper chakra control
I agree. War Arc Temari is NOT beating Amaterasu Sasuke.
Kakuzu is not affected by your insults. His *Raw Durability* protects him.
His *raw durability* > Kishimoto
@@kodoqbesar4301 Well..Not necessarily..
@@plastic0995 it’s not capping kakuzu>>>>>Kaguya,isshiki,momoshiki,madara, baryon mode,sasuke,code full power,boruto,kawaki,pain,itachi,Kisame, Himawari,ramen guy,minato,obito,hashirama,and the rest of the series
@@6paths988 no cap
I'm dying, fuck what was that video called again anyone remember it?
Your dilemma with Sakura hurting Kaguya while Naruto couldn't, was the funniest thing 😂 Glad you guys actually put so much effort into ranking characters properly and honestly!
Sakura is NOT taking on Kaguya one on one, and that's a fact. Just change dimension to gravity and stab her. EZ clap.
Naruto cut Kaguya's hand 😬 what show do you guys watch
Naruto literally sliced her arm off in 0.1 of a second while he was extremely far away, how is that not physical damage omg
Wdym Naruto couldn’t he literally cut off her arm
@@AK-MS27 With a Mental amp from Obito's death plus there talking about punches not chakra claws
It’s so funny seeing these 2 going through serious mental gymnastics to figure out kishimotos plot holes like Sakura making Kaguya bleed
The problem with kiba is that he never gains another standout move apart from fang over fang, the majority of his moves are just slight modifications that strengthen his base move but unlike Naruto where his various rasengan are all noticeably different in power, fang over fang always just seems basic and weak
Like naruto XD
Fang Gang Fang
Yeah, this was something I disliked. I get the other Leaf village classmates aren’t the main focus, but it would have been nice for them to show or come up with new moves for each of them. Just to show SOME development.
This is also what happened to Naruto tbh. Naruto got stronger, but it was never because he got new moves. He basically just learned rasengan and another version of it from the OG naruto it until he killed Kakazu… then he learned sage mode. But his “moves” are still the exact same. Then he got KCM and it was still the same moves except he could use a chakra arm. All he uses are shadow clones, 9tails chakra (not even his), and different forms of rasengan. Sasuke on the other hand has new moves or strategies almost every fight. He is doing something thing. He has was more “moves” in his arsenal. But Naruto just has insane chakra and 9 tails chakra. For the main character, he needed to learn new stuff. With all his “power” he should have been able to learn flying raijin or some of Jiraiya’s moves, or some Uzumaki sealing jutsu. Just feel like they could have made Naruto a “cooler” fighter. I could basically predict everything that Naruto would do in a fight. He would spam shadow clones and rasengans and then use talk no jutsu.
And still Swag put him above C1 Sasuke and 4th Gate Lee which is dumb AF
H.
Swagkage in 2017: Makes a video rationalizing and justifying the hatred towards Sakura.
Swagkage in 2021: "Sakura's NOT going below Madara though, I've gotta die on that hill..."
SEE KISHIMOTO, THIS IS HOW YOU DO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT
i hate hinata does that make her fodder genin level ? he could hate sakura but saying she is weak or useless cause u hate her makes no sense . cause feeling =/ stregnth just cause u hate her doesnt mean that she is weak or isn't mkcm 1 naruto level . your feeling doesnt change the fact that she was that strong .
( I KNOW ITS A JOKE BUT I AM ATTACING THE POINT UR TRYING TO CONVEY THROUGH THE JOKE )
I mean he said in that old sakura video that he doesnt hate sakura he just understands why people do hate her
@@sarveshnathan7559 he is correct tho. Sakura at her strongest > Madara at his strongest
@@maalikserebryakov Are you fucking serious? Madara totally obliterates Sakura 1v1.
@@jaideepshekhar4621 fatigued sakura ~ fatigued shin ~ fatigued adult sasuke > madara
This video would have been amazing live streamed. Imagine getting to talk with and get advice from people in chat, it would be such a chill out session
they did that recently with a similar tier list
@@sosa8549 where?
until someone disagrees and the chat goes ape shit fighting
@@lilkira5579 blllblpbp
@@fatcat2861 good point
That placement of kaguya fight sakura literally made me want to hit myself in head 30 times
Same bro they put her above naruto six paths who split pre tree madara and is stronger then 8 gate guy who sakara is no where near that
After 3 days carried on watching the vid and six managed to make swagkage use his head a bit
I facepalmed for 5 minutes because of War Arc Sakura placement, then he placed Kaguyas Fight Sakura and I'm still gaining strength to continue watching this video holy fuck. You can't be that off
Sensible and based comment. Thank you
I skipped ahead a bit, saw that, and immediately stopped watching the video lol. I get it, making a list like this is crazy hard, but it ain’t even close.
I just finished watching the whole thing. Firstly, I wanna say you, Six, and Seth are absolute beasts. To be able to do this thoroughly with this many characters for that many hours straight, while dealing with the mental cognitive dissonance of shonen power scaling and other inconsistencies across the series is genuinely impressive. It was evident throughout the video how much excruciating thought you guys had to put into the placement of characters and it's great to see that level of detail for a topic that is pretty much going to be eternally debated.
This will be a long comment so to whoever's reading, bear with me. I'm gonna do my best to give my thoughts on this tier list. I will start off by saying the majority of my disagreements comes from two points:
1. As others mentioned, a lot of placements are highly based on physical feats (Sakura) and I feel like skill feats and even mental feats (who is better at adapting, more intelligent/analytical, doesn't get too cocky like Danzo did) are undervalued a bit here. I also think hype is actually a bit undervalued here too, as feats can be drastically inconsistent throughout Naruto (for example, how Sai and Kankuro are written to beat Deidara and Sasori with the help of a bunch of random jonin is beyond me).
2. I also think many placements within tiers are too based on if they can beat other people within that tier. For example, Rasenshuriken Naruto was used as a bar for a lot of placements. Imo placements should be more based on a character's ability to battle the overall Naruto roster, not just certain people. If I make up a hypothetical character named Madara Killer who can OHKO Madara, but loses to everyone else, that wouldn't put that character in the highest tiers. From what I understand, this is one of the thought processes behind actual fighting game tier lists.
With that out of the way, let me write out some thoughts. Just know I'm reading bottom up:
- I think Rock Lee (4th Gate) and Gaara (Chuunin Exams) should be in High Chuunin, maybe Sasuke/Naruto as well, and Sound Four in their base forms moved down a tier. It's weird putting Chuunin Exam genin so high but Rock Lee and Gaara were just busted, and would be able to overpower/outmanuever some of the retrieval arc genin plus the base Sound Four. Also the base Sound Four just straight up 1v4'd Sasuke if I recall correctly and he did pretty well. Otherwise, I agree with the rest of it pretty much up until that point.
- On a similar note, I think CS2 Kimimaro and Neji should be at the top part of Elite Jonin. I think Jugo (Transformed) should also be moved down (I really don't see him beating Kakuzu, Chiyo, Tailed Beasts, etc.). Jugo and Suigetsu being higher than Kimimaro is just weird to me, and Kimimaro was fighting 3 different people while being terminally ill, and basically was about to win before he died on the spot. Any time Kishimoto makes someone sick, that says to me that the character is actually way stronger and he just needs to find a way to kill that character. For Neji, him being behind Hinata, Shikamaru, and Ino in the War Arc is just weird to me. He was always a level of skill above when it came to the core genin. If this means moving up retrieval arc Gaara too, I'm fine with that. Gaara was always sorta busted as a genin.
- I agree Kakuzu is the 2nd weakest Akatsuki member (probably gonna get some shit for this) but I'd at least put him above the 6 tailed beast guys. Maybe Yagura above Han too, but I don't care too much about that. I also think Temari and Kankuro (War Arc) are a tier too high. No way they'd beat Deidara, multiple stronger forms of Naruto and Sasuke, and Tailed Beasts while matching up with people like base Killer Bee. Kankuro specifically shouldn't be that high up because he kinda just sucks tbh and shouldn't be higher than Chiyo. What does he do other than plagiarize all of Sasori's puppet work? Also, I'm happy to see Sasori that high up. I actually think that's justified. He's part of the "Kishimoto had to find a way to kill him" squad.
- Mainly because of the physical feats point I mentioned before delving in, I think all the Sakuras are just too high. I know many people have already stated that disagreement, but I think she would realistically be closer to Tsunade. Even if she did stuff during the Kaguya fight, I feel like she was only able to because of her physical prowess and Kishimoto was just trying to find a way to shoehorn her in. She doesn't have the versatility, super speed, super defense, crazy whack jutsu, etc. to be comparable to Sasuke and Naruto that many times.
- I know Shisui wasn't ranked but I presume he would be in Demi-God tier. Also, I wish we got to see prime Itachi and Nagato, but I think with Edo, their placements are reasonable. Maybe they could both be a couple spots higher? I know Kabuto Sage Mode battled both EMS Sasuke and Edo Itachi, but the win condition for the Uchihas was to capture, not kill, and that's significantly harder to do when Kabuto had an insane terrain advantage and they basically had to fight on his terms. I also think even if Itachi and Nagato wouldn't be able to beat Kabuto Sage Mode, they have a significantly better matchup against people in higher tiers.
These are my thoughts. I welcome constructive discussion. Once again, thanks so much Swag and friends for making this.
Kakuzu isn’t the second weakest Akatsuki member he is above some Akatsuki he is more towards the middle.
I agree with everything shisui is Demi god because he scales to itachi just wit out the op susanoo abilities other than that his genjustu is better his speed is faster plus it was stated his fires styles was one of the strongest because how he manipulated it with his blade also the chakra nature wind along sides the fire. A small detail to add is his ken justu was elite too so itachi and shisui are equal if not give shisui the small edge lmao his my fav character.
Sakura I like her but her character is poorly written but she’s not keeping up wit hashirama and madara durability and raw power they literally fought for days non stop can change the whole landscape and treat multi tailed beast like pets also their battle iq are higher imagine growing up in the warring age when your fighting since your 7 or can manage to hold a blade. On top of that Sakura is the best medical ninja no doubt but hashirama cells are OP plus he can regenerate his own organs instantly wit no hand seals
Kakazu was strong bro they had to bust out a new jutsu “rasenshuriken” just to beat him
Shisui in Demi-God tier….what have you been reading or watching lol. The guy lost to Danzo xD
Aside from Koto-Amatsukami what feats does Shisui have to put him as a Demi-God tier character smh…
I feel like putting this much value in Sakura's Kaguya feat is the same as saying that child Himawari is more powerful than Naruto because she knocked him out once.
Kaguya's durability and Naruto(base) is entirely different. That feat of Sakura is also different because she was able to not only destroy her horns but also disfigure Kaguya's face.
@@colealexander5959 omg disfigure? Did we watch the same fight?
@@alex-rs6ts not I read the manga, I don't watch
This a good argument… but 2 different shows. Boruto have gag moments like that
@@alex-rs6ts manga shows her horn being cut off and her getting really bad damage face. They nerfed her in the anime ,but it can be interpreted in the sense you are explaining. Still can’t downplay her actual physical strength here because this was a much exponentially stronger kaguya.
I don't think Sakura staggering Kaguya for a brief moment is a sign of high power level. Tsunade probably would be able to do the same. I think she belongs to Kage level(which is still remarcable considering how ass she was during the whole series).
idk i disagee seeing as tsunade needed like two hits just to break madaras susanoo and got clapped by him plus sakura is just blatantly stated to be stronger than tsunade
@@guyhathansaintil5218 Exactly.
@@guyhathansaintil5218 LOL, if madara had the intent to kill tsunade he would’ve. He was toying with all the kages it’s even implied . Sakura ain’t even top50 she gets shit on by 70% of the characters underneath her, SWAGKAGE was just trolling YALL
Yeah it was only because of plot she punched her.
@@EOMMunaware wow u are just so wrong about so many things u said but to adress your first point that dosent change my point it actually helps it it took her 2 hits to hurt a madara who was much weaker than kaguya she is definitely not hurting kaguya i feel like u didn't understand what i said and to sakura being strong again adult sakura is literally stronger than everyone in the village except for naruto and sasuke
Yo why is Six so quiet though, I'm blasting 100%, Six is whispering, Swag is blowing my eardrums.
The dedication this guy puts into his videos are incredible! Keep it up my man :)
Swag, you need to understand there’s a discrepancy between just being physically stronger than somebody than overall being stronger. You admit it yourself that start of shippuden Kakashi is above Sakura & Naruto, but forget Kakashi thinks a punch by her would kill him… but that doesn’t mean he’ll lose the fight just due to that deduction. Sasori’s fight with her is similar. Sasori would die if his body was hit by her, but Sakura on her own isn’t winning that fight regardless of that notion.
War Arc Sakura could PERHAPS one shot Juubito, but is she going to get to? No, he won’t allow her. Once Obito realized senjutsu and taijutsu was his weakness (which he acknowledges after Naruto hits him via teleportation w/ Tobirama), he began taking it a bit seriously and their teleportation just flat out doesn’t work. Nor are they able to blitz him. If Juubito decides to fly and crimson barrier juubi blast Sakura, she loses. Juubito was clearly so much stronger than everybody there and lost only to Naruto breaking his resolve. So no, she’s getting negged by him too.
Now here we are with Kaguya.. just like Six said, Kaguya doesn’t acknowledge Sakura WHATSOEVER. If Sakura is this one shot god potential character like you claim she is, then she should’ve just one shotted all of the six path characters that stood against her.. but she didn’t.. because overall she is much weaker. Also, Juubito is aware of Minato and Tobirama’s teleporting shenanigans. So obviously he’d be prepared for it, this is not a speed feat for Sakura lol. Kaguya is preoccupied with Naruto and Sasuke primarily, so obviously the person she regards as irrelevant she won’t really pay attention to. Six brings up great points against your claims regarding her. There’s a lot more to these fights than just raw powerscaling, there’s story connotations toward them as well. Sasuke and Naruto only get the better of Juubito despite him being vastly superior because of what’s happening in the story and how Naruto is cracking him down emotionally. If you put bloodlusted Juubito, no story, then he obliterates them. It’s a similar thing to war arc Sakura scaling above people characters like Juudara just because she hit a careless Kaguya. Ironically, you state that context matters regarding Naruto hitting Kabuto with the rasengan but fail to apply that logic towards Sakura hitting Kaguya.
But yes, Adult Sakura would one shot Juudara. Madara’s dead and she’s had 10 years to get stronger, bit hard to refute it. You can have that, I guess.
Burh
Fr, anybody that thinks Sakura is that high. Is completely unaware how useless and how little she accomplished in the entire series
You are absolutely right with what you said brother. He doesn’t understand that with scaling, you gotta use some logic too.
Going off of swags logic: shinki and base boruto is stronger than adult sasuke cus they DaMaGeD HiM and sasuke never could. So ur right with Sakura being obviously weaker than the likes of juubidara and Juubiyo and others. But adult Sakura is definitely not stronger than juubidara bro and u know that
Ain’t no way u wrote all dat 😂
@@EOMMunaware harsh. In terms of accomplishments there’s no comparison between her and the rest of the main cast, but she’s really not as useless as people think. I would argue that she is top 10 by the end of the series as far being the most powerful/capable characters.
I guess it's fitting that, in ranking Naruto characters, a significant number of those characters are just different forms of Naruto
"Kashin koji is ass"
*puts in UPPER SIX PATHS*
He's trash in terms of boruto scaling since everyone is op in boruto
One big point in favor Tobirama: He's one of the few characters shown to be able to break out of Edo Tensei through sheer power. The only reason why Orochimaru managed to stop him was because he was reincarnated in a Zetsu body. Now this is pretty nutty, since Kabuto's Edo Tensei were reincarnated into regular human bodies, yet someone like Nagato couldn't break out of it.
Where was it said that being reincarnated in a zetsu body make the person weaker then the regular edo tensei?
@@nawaf1550 Orochimaru could immobilize Tobirama by controlling the cells in the Zetsu body.
@@hyypio764 Again when did they said that? Because I watched the scene not long ago and I don't remember anything about that zetsu make you weaker thing
@@nawaf1550 It doesn't make you weaker. It makes it so that Orochimaru can control someone who would have otherwise broken free of the jutsu.
Hashirama cells buffed orochimaru so he was able to subdue tobirama
Hey Swag I had a weird thought earlier.
What if Kakazu forcibly stole Hidan’s heart out of his chest and added it to his collection? Hidan’s heart is literally immortal so if Kakazu added it to his collection, wouldn’t that mean that kakazu would also be 100% immortal?
I NEED ANSWERS BRO HELP MEEEE
Yoooooo…
They don't answer these kinds of questions. I asked them once if Hidan was able to use the 8 gates would he die or would he be one of the strongest but they told me too many factors to consider and it's one of those things that not even they have a answer to and we'd have to ask the author.
@@doubledeputyd4242 I can understand though, they'd have to use a lot a of headcannon, so while they could give you an answer, they could give you a real/definitive one.
@@doubledeputyd4242
Though situations like this are probably why most jutsu are as tightly controlled as they are by clans, I mean yeah to protect the business interest but could you imagine what would happen if someone who could regenerate (a trait that is known to exist) got their hands on the gates? Would the same rules still apply to them?
Nobody knows, but its most telling narratively that nobody wants to find out either.
I don’t think it would make him immortal cus it isn’t his heart, he didn’t sacrifice anything to Lord Jashin so he wouldn’t get the Immortality blessing, at least that’s my headcannon
Swag: Sees Kaguya fight Sakura.
Also Swag: “… God Dammit”
I love how she's somehow base as fast as naruto amped by sage mode, and 9 tails and amped by the power of an actual god
Best case scenario for the Sakura vs Kaguya thing is Kaguya is just more concerned about the two people chasing her with the actual wincon against her. So she probably just underestimated Kaguya+ Mental Amp+ Byakugo not collecting her Chakra.
Kaguya had also no chakra at that point. However, Sakura hitting and actually being able to move Kaguya with punch is illogical considering Kaguya is literal god. This scene was put to show Sakura doing something with Naruto&Sasuke. Kishimoto also loves to show giril power scenes.
3 hours? Oh boy! Swagkage the movie.
I'll get my popcorn boys!
The amount of dedication to this is commendable!
Put the 4-hour video up!! I would watch it!!
I'm just saying characters in Naruto learning more than a couple weapons is rare. You're telling me Guy never learned chakra knuckle dusters or blade gauntlets but has a pocket nunchuk? So then, let it sink in that Tenten knows ALL the weapons.
Tenten did spend the time to learn how to use a bunch of weapons that have a very low skill ceiling compared to ninjutsu and has almost nothing but anti-feats throughout the series.
Yeah, dude, idk...
@@CassieCarryd people real quiet when Madara was reflecting beast bombs with his massive guitar. Tenten could play a nasty Silhouette on that shiz
@@CassieCarryd But she was able to use 3 of the 6 sacred ninja tools of the six paths without much drawback it seems.
I mean a lot of Tenten's weapon usage seemed to just be like throwing it.
@@FidelCattto We don't see enough. Obviously she has some proficiency to be able to competently use the SoSP Ninja Tools against Kinkaku and Ginkaku.
The way I think you can see the Sakura feat is that her whole thing fighting-wise has always been hitting harder than you’d expect, during the bell training session kakashi states that if he gets hit by Sakura then he would die, but that doesn’t mean that she’s above kakashi at that point, then during her fight against sasori, she has enough attack potency to destroy hiruko and the 3rd kazekage puppet but she also destroys sasori’s puppet body but that doesn’t mean she’s kage or above kage level. The same could apply to kaguya fight Sakura. She just has the attack potency to damage kaguya but that doesn’t mean she’s six paths cloak naruto level. I think that she’s just ten tails level or six paths level (mainly because she has that feat where she helps obito open four of kaguyas dimensions). I know that from a powerscalers perspective I doesn’t make sense that a character can hit harder than another that’s blatantly one or two tiers above them, but for Sakura it makes sense due to the narrative that kishimoto was pushing for her.
I always assumed that you take everything into account, but you can still have someone who's physically stronger be below someone who's in a higher tier due ot other feats and techniques. So i think you have the best take about it
base heavily fatigued sakura is like arguably jus below kcm2 naruto
She’s high kage or beyond s-class at best
@@Frosty_V0 at BEST? she has jutsu that could over power most kage, and her fears during the war arc could be rivaled by very few characters. War Sakura and beyond is easily a godly character in this anime as this video states
@@syph009 Yup
just rewatched it, this list is fire. @swagkage please post the cut out bits of you and six
The best part about base Six Paths Naruto chopping the God Tree down, was the fact that he didn't even mean to; he was throwing it at Madara and the shuriken blades indirectly cut it down lmao
This man is the living example of quality over quantity.
man really said quality AND quantity
He put Isshiki higher then Baryon Mode Naruto when we seen Isshiki kicking Naruto after his baryon ran out. Only reason Naruto survived was because of Kawaki LMAO He even put Boro right below three eyed madara. This tier list is beyond shit
@@arsssf2 he didn't put isshiki above baryon mode lol he said the only person who could compete against him was baryon mode
I don't understand Sakura's scaling. I don't mean this video, I just mean in general. How did she make such a sudden jump to where she's able to damage Kaguya? This scales her above both Six Paths Madara and 8 Gates Guy. Narratively, how is this even possible?
You are correct, it actually makes no sense at all. No way that she can actually surpass Six Paths Madara, no way in heck.
Plot & thematic relevance at the cost of narative consistency. That's why Sakura is almost unanimously hated. She is a side character shoved into the main cast without proper main character growth but rather a sudden, undeserved plot convenience power boost to catch up to her peers.
You do not simply go from barelly being able to stand infront of madara/obito to damaging Kaguya let alone speed blitz her.
jubidara and 8 gates guy yeah both of them arent on the same league . SAKURA SCALING WOULD PUT HER ABOVE GUY THATS FOR SURE BUT 3 EYED MADARA NAH .
YES SHE MAY BE STRONGER BUT SHE ISNT FASTER NOR HAXED SINCE MADARA TRAVEL SPEED IS FASTER MADARA CAN KEEP A DISTANCE AND CREATE LIMBO CLONES THAT WOULD F SAKURA .
SO SHE DOESNT SCALE ABOVE MADARA
I think being able to punch someone doesn’t really prove power scaling
THE ONLY TIME U CAN SAY SHE SCALES ABOVE MADARA IS IF YOU SAY SHE SPEED BLITZED KAGUYA .
58:10 1:16:27 In case you want to skip the 18 minute long debate of where to put Kaguya fight Sakura.
It went long but it was actually so entertaining to listen to xD
@@writersblock1016I agree, but I watch this video on repeat a lot, so I set this time stamp for myself and anyone else since it comes to grinding halt talking about Sakura.
@@venomz8888thanks bro kuz holy shit I almost had a stroke listening to that Sakura bullshit part at no point should she be above KCM2+SM Naruto and fckin 6 paths at that all because of ONE punch on Kaguya who wasn’t paying her no mind whatsoever lol she literally had to announce her presence while throwing that punch but thnx for letting me know how to skip that bullshit😂
Sakura just smiling cheekily while Seth & Six argue about how fucking insane it is that she can rumble with Kaguya is the funniest thing ever
“Obito tries to suck him up.. and he just doesn’t get sucked up for a second”
Pause…
Also, Sasuke always performed just as well as Naruto in their fights aside from the Isshiki fight bc of Baryon Mode. Sasuke wasn’t low on chakra in any of their team fights. They meme on him for being outta chakra in the time travel arc bc Urashiki snatched a portion of it and nerfed him for that entire arc. They just over exaggerate it. Sasuke was fine on chakra vs Momoshiki, Jigen, and Isshiki.
It was shown that people who had their chakras stolen by Urashiki had to enter the ER in the Konoha hospital for a couple of days to recover their chakra because they were on their deathbed. So this is actually a feat for Sasuke.
Idiots don't wanna listen to this tho.
People care more about calling inconsistencies in the plot than enjoying the show. It goes so far that they have to create these things in their head so they can seem cool
@@kamicloudss I’m with you on the second half, but what is wrong with noticing plot inconsistencies, they often break ones enjoyment of a show if they exist. Making up inconsistencies is never good but noticing actual inconsistencies is fine.
@@fluff6811 I think I worded that wrong. What I meant is that people focus too much on actively seeking them out and will convince themselves of it, over actually taking the story as it’s supposed to have been. There’s gonna be inconsistencies in Naruto, it was drawn and written by one man for 15 years and it’s fair to point them out, but at one point it just goes too far
so Konohamaru went from Jonin level to Jonin level in the span of 20 years.
Shonen anime really be like: main character goes from a literal nobody to beyond God in 3 years, but side characters go from okay to okay in 50 years
@@Sad-Lesbian Konohamaru went from 0 to okay in 10 years, its huge progress for someone like him
first time watching this from start to finish. absolutely love how long you guys took to rank those last 2 versions of sakura
I guess karma boruto is beating hashirama and has better speed than minato
You deserve a like only for the amount of work you put into this.
“I think I know people IRL that could beat Kankuro” 💀💀😭😭🤣🤣😂😂 shit had me dying
The fact that six path tools tenten got into kage tier makes me feel validated as someone who feels tenten is without a doubt top 3 under-utilised characters and is the most interesting girl from konoha
FACTS
I actually really like tenten, she's hella overhated, her and Tsunade are my two favorite female characters, they are awesome.
@@sly607 tsunade is good, tenten is a ninja who uses 0 ninjjutsu and throws paper fans
@@IIIISai Yeah, she ain't powerful but I just like her as a character.
@@sly607 i respect that
How is ems madara above sage hashirama, if you’re going by “who would win” hashirama beat madara with the nine tails in a madara bloodlusted fight while hashirama was just trying to stop him
DUMBEST section of the vid
Good point
Hashirama had to use sage mode to counter Madara’s usage of the nine tails. Even after Hashirama tames the nine tails, Madara fights him while he’s in sage mode and Madara almost won but he got “tricked” by a wood clone which was pure bs. If anything Hashirama is a fraction stronger than EMS Madara.
Because of hashirama healing abilities, remember for Madara to have suck a high opinion of them he must have beat the shit out of Hashirama multiple times yet still lose, to back this up in the manga we get a look on how damaged Hashirama was mid his final fight with Madara and yet he was more damaged than he was at the end of the fight.
Tldr; Regeneration op.
@@slayed9602 No Hashirama is way stronger he beat Madara like 3 times in canon
I NEED THE 4+ HOURS, these long videos are great when i’m doing stuff around the house…y’all need a podcast. You and six.
Fun fact Sage mode naruto is still my favorite version of naruto to this day
Biggest issue with powerscaling - not just for Naruto but all Shonen in general like One Piece, Bleach etc. - is that the authors of those series don't make tier lists where their characters rank in power like fans do and stick to it. They make it up as they go along based on how they feel or what the story and plot demands.
The authors don't add up all their multipliers they give characters to figure out where character's stand via calc's. Author don't give Character A a better feat than Character B to show A is stronger. Authors don't backup every boost in power a character gets by explaining it logically like they trained or unlocked a new technique which boosts their power etc. Authors just make characters as powerful as they want on the fly and draw cool fights.
Does it make sense Sakura got a ludicrous boost in power out of nowhere with no logical explanation to the point she went from being unable to make Madara flinch to smacking Kaguya around like she were her personal bunny-eared punching bag? No. There is no logical in-universe explanation - "mental amp" or other - as to where this boost in power came from because it didn't come from in-universe, it came from Kishimoto wanting his three main characters to all be roughly on par in power by the series end because of thematic narrative and symbolism. Because unlike fans, authors don't give a damn about powerscaling. It's their universe so if Kishimoto wants to make Sakura be on par with Six Paths Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke then he will, even if it doesn't make any logical in-universe powerscaling sense. He's the creator, he'll do as he pleases with his creation, fans and powerscalers be damned.
What’s crazy is that the disagreement amongst fans on her character comes from the symbolism and narrative structure.
I personally don’t think Kishimoto wanted them to be on par with each other at all. I interpreted the significance as them all being together fighting and contributing against Kaguya. There’s nothing symbolic about her being on par with them. They are MEANT the leave her and Kakashi both in the dust. Because the main story is Naruto and Sasuke, it’s all about their reflection in one another.
Sakura’s significance in the story is the taming of Sasuke with her love for him. Her power is irrelevant to me because it’s not her purpose in the story.
@@jmeds94 Yep. Also power scaling doesn't fit in a manga like Naruto.
We learn that an inferior shinobi can beat a jonin/kage when using the right jutsu.
Take Tenten. With that OP weapon she can become God-Tier, mostly considering how good she is with weapon handling in general.
I wonder how far Oda in particular does power-scaling, he explictly ranks inside the story the characters of the enemies of most arcs in pretty-defined tiers of power with sizeable jumps in between each. And even the characters themselves by numbering them explictly, at least twice I think it happened.
@@TiomesTheOne Naruto has not been very faithful to the idea that characters can cleverly bridge the gap, and the broad consequences of that being true.
The structures based around combat power are still very rigid, it clearly seems like a character that is on a certain tier will most often check lower-tier characters very consistently. And people know what a "hokage-level fight/character" is like.
And about characters with gimmicks, it seems to me that even if there are characters that hard-counter other characters, often those just have OP abilities overall and hard-counter many characters that cant just effectively damage them. It's not that the characters cleverly check other characters, most often (of course there are examples of that still).
@@jmeds94 Yeah, I've been thinking basically the same thing while watching this, and about Sakura. She's meant to be slightly stronger than Tsunade, and that's fine.
“She punched her in the back of the head and she got a bruise on her jaw” that had me rolling 🤣😭😭
I'm just trying to figure out how 3 tomoe Sarada beats EMS Madara, Sage Hashirama or KCM2 Naruto
It definitely sounds incorrect but there are a lot of statements surrounding boro that would make him as strong as the other Kara members(code,delta,koji, etc…..) and Sarada puts in the most work against Boro before he goes berserk so Sarada should at least someone scale to boro. It’s just boruto going crazy with the power creep and not really caring about how much sense it makes narratively.
I'm tryna figure out how base Boruto (who had to cheat in order to beat Shikadai, lmao) is stronger than start of Shippuden Naruto 🤔
@@alexboudrie4998 they’re obviously referring to current base boruto and not a version from many arcs ago.
@@DrUmar-gu4kp Well that's dumb, why not have multiple variants of Boruto, because Boruto from the academy is light years weaker than current base Boruto.
It’s really about deciding what’s a anti feat or not imo it’s a anti feat for boro Sarah’s is not beating a kurama avatar
I would pay good money to see Kishimoto's version of this xD
The Tobirama lowballing is insane
Facts
And sakura is same as Hashirama lamoo🙂🙂
Bro six's memory is actually insane 😂😂bro remembers everything from the data books my goodness
Facts 😂
Good video but I don’t understand why you guys get so fixated on one feat and think the whole character scales to that. We’re not talking about dbz here, everyone has very diverse stats and techniques. Saying “Sakura hurt Kaguya” or “a path of pain out sped sage Naruto” does not at all put them on the same tier.
You’re talking about people with literally 1 Jutsu, doing what they’re best at doing, in situations that are extremely unfairly tilted in their favors.
Sakura punches really hard that’s literally her entire offense so of course if you give her an open shot she can hurt someone way out of her league, 1v1 with Kaguya though she would have never even been able to get near her let alone land that punch.
The Preta path is even worse he had literally no offense and you guys are saying he’s stronger than the Sanin, kages, and akatsuki members?
Would you say you’re on prime Muhamed Ali’s level if he were getting jumped by Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, and Tyson fury and you sucker punched him in the back of the head and caused damage? Hell no so idk how you figure you can scale her whole character off of that.
Sakura can do more than punch they left out Novel feats
@@LetsPlayerAshe Fair. but the only novel feat I can remember reading was her giving extra chakra to that fake jinchuriki, causing it to pretty much get cancer. Very impressive but even that was delivered through punches.
i dont know how 3 eyed madara is below naruto and sasuke despite him stalemating them in a 2v1? if he stalemating them in a 2v1, wouldn't he beat them 1v1.
@@B00MR0ASt3D she destroyed Kido who was an anbu captain turned nine tails jinchuriki thanks to a drug, that drug was stated to get Kido up to the level of Kurama when he attacked the leaf village
@@B00MR0ASt3D her speed is leagues ahead of 8 gates Guy and taijutsu is on par with adult Rock Lee
Kakuzu solos all of fiction because of his *raw durability*
yall running this joke into the ground
Yeah 🤣
He’s probably stronger then goku
If Kakazu solos fiction, then Denki is universal.
@@status7505 well but the ground is part of the continent which is destroyed by kakuzu since he’s continental.
"I ain't going at Seth bro" even then we knew he was toxic
What does Seth the progrommer have to do with this video
Honestly I'd love to have the other 4 hours. This is like an interesting podcast to listen to
same, would love it
One thing about the Sakura punch is that should be noted is where the contact took place. Sakura's punch was in a more impactful area that leads to worse contact absorption. When Naruto hit Kaguya from the distraction, he hit her in the cheek. Both sweet spots but the impact of where would benefit the damage. I know anime supersedes the aspect of reality since the beginning, but boxing showcases the difference of impact between punches. Even illegal love taps to the back of the head are very dangerous to the body.
Naruto gets big temporary mental/emotion amps thats why his power level is scattered throughout the show. Chakra is composed of mind and body. The power of the mind and emotion can literally affect and boost chakra.
Also.. I still cannot believe this Tobirama downplay. You put him below Sage Mode Jiraiya??????? I'm in shock. Madara literally said Tobirama was faster than him when they were alive. He's blitzing KCM1 Naruto. You guys are so terrible on the topic of Tobirama its insane. There's no reason to put his edo form over his alive form, Madara admitted Tobirama was nerfed so badly by the Edo Tensei that he couldn't regain his former ability to fight Madara.
Hm, thats interesting. Thats exactly why ichigo and kenpachi are so strong in bleach, its the same effect emotion affects spiritual pressurem and I think ichigo's desire to protect makes him strong. And kenpachi. battle lust amps him as well. Ik two totally different anime. But still. Xd
Yep that’s true. You have to take into account mental amps/resolve amps
Agreed mental/ emotional amphs can change the outcome of a battle to me.
@@thenexus7343 Yup it’s probably true for most battle shonen
Nah, Tobirama's garbage. While we hear about his powers and the ninjutsu he invented we dont actually see him do anything powerful at all through out the entire show.
1:17:08
Kakashi became a Genin at the age of 5.
Kakashi became a chunin at the age of 6.
Kakashi became a jounin at the age of 12-13.
All this without the sharingan, he has some feats (not including the sharingan).
He even has his dad's sword, and yes he knows how to use Rassengan..
And also for a small part of his life he was trained by the white Fang.
Also did u forget Anbu Kakashi? ;-;
"age of 5-6"
Exactly 5
"age of 6-7"
Exactly 6
"age of 12-13"
This is the weird one but if you believe the Manga holds more weight then the Databooks
Exactly 8
(The Manga shows Obito Rin & Kakashi taking the Chunin exams at the same time(only Kakashi & Obito becoming Chunin) meaning Kakashi must be 4ish years younger then Obito as Obito became a Chunin at 11 years old(Obito's birthday is before Kakashi's that's why its 4ish years as its possible Obito's birthday(Feb 10) had passed while Kakashi's(Sep 15) hadn't come up yet)
@@SRVaris Damn bro, thx ^^
@@SRVaris Wait Kakashi became a jounin at 8? :O
I thought Shisui was the youngest jounin.
@@JoannaHatake4922 It depends on how you consider the Databooks authority
Like if you value the Databook's more Shisui is the youngest as Adult Obito & Adult Kakashi are stated the same age and Obito is 13 in Kakashi Gaiden meaning Kakashi would be 13
However the Databook is going against the Manga in this case as we know for a fact
Kakashi became a Chunin at 6 & Obito at 11 and its shown they take the Chunin Exams at the same time and become Chunin at the same time
So
Manga = 8
Databook = 13
How I interpret the Databook is that Obito is the same age as Kakashi Physically due to Obito having Hashirama Cell's
After just taking a peek at the tier list, I cannot fathom the amount of work that went into this. Damn!
The only thing in this whole video that seems off to me is that Hagoromo would be weaker than Six Paths Naruto and Sasuke despite Hagoromo being the reason they become Six Paths. I could be convinced of that placement, but it seems really weird that Hagoromo would be weaker despite the power Naruto and Sasuke have as Six Paths characters is seemingly intended to be Hagoromo's power passed on to them. Not only that, but he gave that power to both of them, so he should be stronger than both of their power together because that power was his to begin with.
yeah it's tricky, he gave each of them a roughly 10 tailed amp or larger, so well over what they started with.
It's possible they got stronger as they fought but yeah ghost sage is atleast double 10 tails in power at absolute minimum. When he was alive he was also the 10 tail host so that's 3 at minimum.
Tbh I think the statment on madara approaching him was refering to his ghost version, lines up more logically, but who knows.
ya i was kinda upset about hagoromo being quite low but he is very weird to talk about and he's kind of his own topic. like him being able to basically talk into 2 dimensions at once like he did with sasuke and naruto that's something ishiki could not do
The only thing off was that? So base Tsunade being way above Kabuto who slapped the shit out of her isn't off. Or Tsunade with the 100 healings barely beating Armless Orochimaru? Should we talk about 3rd Hokage being below Ay and Onoki despite being conformed conformed stated by Kabuto to be the strongest 1 of the 5 kage? Oh my favourite argument, they just got stronger deal with it. Prove it? Tsunade getting deleted by Madara isn't a feat for Tsunade lmao. Ay losing to MS Sasuke doesn't make him above the 3rd Hokage let alone a whole tier.
@@deanalhassan2610 I don't have the patience to explain why those don't apply. If all you did was look at the tier list at the end, actually watch the video, and if you did watch it, watch it again. Swag and Six explain every single one of their choices for why each character is where they are. Swag and Six are legitimately professional Naruto lore experts, and even if you don't take their statements as gospel, they have to reread and rewatch parts of the series, and sometimes the whole series numerous times just to make videos about it, and likely have better reasons and a better understanding of the series overall than you would or you think they would for their choices.
@@deanalhassan2610 Also, "they just got stronger" is a valid reason if your story has blatantly rising power for the same character over time.
He is a man of resolve, dedication, and sheer freaking will.
Maybe it's chakra itself why Kaguya didn't reacted to Sakura. Hagoromo gave Sasuke and Naruto chakra that was familiar to her. So she was focused on something that she knows and recognises.