Why Did Roland Stop Making Metallic Looking Rubber Cymbals - Pintech PC Cymbal First Impressions
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- Опубліковано 2 січ 2020
- Today's video is all about electronic cymbals. Why are there no metallic rubber cymbals? Do Yamaha cymbals work with Roland module? And are Pintech PC Cymbals any good?
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I love those PC cymbals. I have several now, they always trigger perfectly and they come with spring mounts.
I own an XM Edrum set as referenced in this video. I am in Singapore and they are very popular in Asia. Very good electronic drum set, especially for the price. The cymbals (all three-zones) are very very thin and then you have a choice of putting either a black or gold/bronze rubber cover on them. This is the bronze cymbal you see in the photo. They play really well and you can change the bronze cover as it wears (no need to change whole cymbal). You need need to clean them regularly or they will get marked. They make 10 and 12 inch cymbals only. You can order from overseas and delivery is free if above a certain amount.
hey man love the channel
has anyone tried mesh cymbals?
only thing left that’s still loud
Justin, thanks for the mini review of the Pintech PC cymbal. I've been considering one for a second crash in my Yahama kit.
I watched the whole video Justin. Thank you so much for sharing this information my dear friend. Happy New Year for you and your family Justin 😎👍👊✌️
What a coincidence I revieved my pcy135 today, it works great I use it as my second crash. With a roland module. I use the tom 2 cable but I use superior drummer 3 so I can just change the midi sound. Great video as always
Thanks for the video. I didn't think the used silver Roland cymbals you showed looked all that bad.
For ride and hi-hat I use Yamaha 3 zone PCY155/PCY135 cymbals but my crashes are Pintech XT16's (come with no trigger) that I attached goedrums piezos to using 3M clear double sided tape. I found the same little box they use and mounted the jack on it and attached it with flat head countersunk bolts. I haven't covered the playing surface with foam yet. Someone over at vdrums recommends I try pond liner. I think they're fairly good for crashes as is.
I just got one of those Pintechs too, and plan on doing a review. They're actually WAY cheaper on amazon. I am pretty impressed with the feel and accuracy of the triggering for such a low cost cymbal.
they look like a dolar store cymbals to be honest.
They are. Especially the TC line. And there's nothing to keep them from spinning! ...but they are cheap and work for a cymbal you only hit occasionally...
@@420protoman The PCY 155?
hey mate really enjoying your channel
Thanks :)
Justin, I'd like to see you do a video on Pintech stuff. I'm interested in all their version of cymbals and also their drums. thanks
Nice video... I had some Visulites and they were very nice. Talk to the owner as he would probably loan you out a Visulite to review. I have dealt with him on a few occasions and he is very accommodating and fair. I'm sure he would appreciate the exposure.
I've found it interesting that you have an e-drum channel, and have never really spoke on pintechs products. They've been around quite a while, and I think they make a very good product.
I had a set pintechs the cymbals were “ok” but the mesh head pads were great in look and feel!
The Concertcast pads are bulletproof.They also make a 10" mesh head kick,unlike Roland,whose mesh kicks go from 8 to 12 with no 10. Pintech's 14" Phoenix snare is pretty good as well,Roland makes a 12" analog snare but the 14 is digital so TD-50 only.
can a 3 zone roland crash or ride work with a command module? cuz im getting a command soon and I wnna know if I can get one cuz I trust em for cymbals also if not should I just try and find a used one from the command
i love your videos
I thought those silver cymbals looked really nice!! I have seen some in gold I think Tati drums has hers in gold? Do you have a new drum room?
I owned the Roland Silver cymbals. The paint rubbed/chipped off of the edges after a lot of hours of play, also it seemed that the trigger ridge would separate as well. And I'm not a heavy hitter. JMHO.
An old trick to quiet down the kick is a tennis ball on the beater. It works just as good.
Thank you!
I am just about to buy My first electronic Drumkit, Im gonna buy a Used Roland TD 11k, with included Speaker, headphones, Drumthrone, and Kick Pedal for 400 Swiss Francs. Do you think thats a good Deal? I probably will Upgrade the rubber Pads later.
Tip for you my friend! Instead of doing 3 topics in one video... you should break it up into 3 separate ones, that could help you boost your watch time! Love the video 👌🏼
Hey Spencer :) I've done some experimentation on this, and short videos work sometimes, and doesn't work other times. I knew that I didn't have 3 videos worth of material from these topics. So instead of making 3 weak videos, I made one strong video. Might have been a good strategy, might have not, but it's the choice I made. Total watch time would see a boost from 3 videos, but individual video watch time on 6 minute duration is pretty bad. For some reason I get a boost when the videos are 10 minutes or longer, just something I've noticed.
Maybe they should work on a sort of oil that would dry and last for a few shows so one could just apply the oil and make a matte black cymbal a shiny black cymbal ...
This is true... I've owned td-30kv cymbals for 2 years now and already the paint is chipping off... but I do prefer the metallic finishes to the rubber cymbals.
Help!!! Sorry to ask but I'm having trouble finding some info...... I have this vision of buying a Roland TD-17KV drum set and would also like an Octopad. I'm not clear on the "connection". I understand that the drum module connects to either a speaker or you can use headphones. I don't plan on getting crazy with connecting a laptop or anything special. I would like to know - Does the Octopad connect to the drum module in some way or do you have to separately send the output (for sound) to the speaker as well? Do I need another component like a mixer? Are there multiple things that I need? Ultimately I would like an electronic kit with an octopad that I can play and hear out of a speaker or a set of headphones. Please advise. Thanks!!
You can run the Octopad audio out into the Aux in on the module.
Watching this video on January 3 2021, one year later :)
Justin, I'd love to see if the Yamaha cymbals would work with an Alesis drum module. Crimson especially. :) Specifically wondering about a ride. Could you do a test?
Thanks.
Roland, Alesis, Milenium, are all compatible with each other. Yamaha is the odd one out. It will most probably be the same as the Yamaha cymbal on the Roland module: just 2 zones will work. This is because Yamaha use only 1 cable for all three zones, while the others use two cables.
Alesis also uses one cable for all models except the Strike. I have a Crimson kit with a 3 zone ride and only one cable coming out of it. That’s why I’m curious if it would work.
@@kevinsellers6081 woah, I did not know that.. I stand corrected. I'm not familiar with the Crimson module and the customization option within. The Pcy135 uses a piezo for the pad, 2 switches for the edge, and a switch for the bell. Hope that helps.. for more info search "yamaha pcy135 wiring " and open the 2box forum link
@@hoipimniet Thanks!
I've been meaning to check out my cymbal with a multimeter as I suspect it's wired similarly.
Can I build a conversation kit with equal triggering as roland, as long as I use a roland brain. I know it's a complicated and loaded question. I just feel like I can make a kit that's top of the line without spending $8000.
Bring them back
I own a PC 18" single zone and a TC 10", the TC works fine as a splash and it was really cheap, I got 18" quite cheap as well, but they're honestly both disappointing in terms of feel and triggering a bit on the 18", no rebound whatsoever, the feel is just awful really, fine as a splash but thats it. if the visualites have the same sort of razor thin mousepad, then i fail to see how they would be better exactly, plus they're ridiculously expensive on top of that.
A bit out of topic but my biggest question with Roland is why are they still sticking to their triggered sounds? Roland has practically everything covered when it comes to e-kits (user-friendly modules, durability-for both modules and hardware, they provide a range of kits from compact in-room practice to big aesthetic looking kits) yet the #1 flaw with their product is that it sounds too processed? In the sound quality, its seems that 2box is way better than them.
With yamaha cymbals you definitely need the right stopper otherwise you won't get any swing from the cymbal, which I think is its best feature.
I have a set with Roland ,pintechs and Alesis cymbals, they all work perfect and have been for the last 6 years. I like the Roland's the best but they are too expensive, and they are not that much better than the pintechs. This is from playing them combined in my set for the last 6-7 years. I could replace all the Roland with pintechs and the feel would not be different to me, in fact the Roland some times don't perform as well as the pintechs, they tend to miss trigger, I'm not saying that pintechs are perfect but neither are the Roland's.
I got a Yamaha HH controller to work on my Roland kit, you just have to reverse the polarity of the cable. I just took a cheap 1/4in cable, cut it, swapped the red/black wires inside and then it worked fine after that. I did not like how Yamaha has to do things different, and not to "industry standards" (I use that loosely, since nearly everything is Rolando compatible EXCEPT Yamaha). I love my big Yamaha stage custom acoustic kit, but I will never buy another Yamaha e-kit again because of their poor decisions to wire things differently.
Also as far as metallic cymbals go, I bought all Lauren drums and cymbals (hooked into my old Roland TD-6V, running Midi Out into EZ Drummer), and for the cymbals, I used all their different realistic printed finishes. They play really well, no issues. They're just made of cheap garbage cymbals it seems, then covered in printed neoprene to quiet them down. With the Neoprene you can have anything you want printed on them too. I really enjoy them, I'm hitting actual metal that is as quiet as the loud TOK TOK of the roland older hard plastic cymbals, but they look amazing.
I guess it's not possible to dye the rubber? I've seen rubber bands of different colors. Of course I have no idea how this works, but obviously paint ain't the way to go.
I may be in the minority but I always kinds liked the look of the Roland metallic cymbals!!
They are gorgeous, I am collecting a full silver set right now
Thanks justin
What I wanna know is why Roland quit making the TD-30KV. Anyone?
They discontinued the TD30KV because they came out with the TD50KV. Exact same reason why Ford doesn't make 2019 Mustangs anymore.
That makes no sense at all. Why didn't they discontinue every set that came before every new set then? Why, Roland, why?
@@mayitriggeryou Roland has discontinued: the td3, td5, td6, td7, td8, td9, td11, td12, td15, td20, td30, hd1, and the hd3. That's just the way products work, out with the old and in with the new
The Pintech PC cymbals are NOT indestructible. I have broken the 14 inch, clean crack at the bell, halfway down the cymbal. They are however fun to play and dirt cheap with good triggering results.
The Visualites are really tough.
It’s cheaper meaning more profit, it’s not really difficult to figure out... if you look at the products over the years every generation is engineered to be cheaper to manufacture...
I've had a number of Pintech parts over the years, with varying levels of satisfaction. Their old rubberized cymbals were called "Zenbal" series cymbals and were just the PC cymbals with an added rubber surface. They actually worked pretty decently and Pintech was even the first [I believe] to make an e-china cymbal. I bought a Zenbal china over fifteen years ago and still use it to this day. I also still have their 14" pro series snare that I bought a while back. Their pro series stuff is right up there with some of the best. I've had a couple of Visu-Lite series cymbals as well, and they look great under stage lights but I wouldn't recommend them for their feel. Basically, their expensive stuff is good: pro snare/pro kick; their cheap stuff is bad: TC/PC cymbals; and their mid-tier stuff is hit and miss: CKV kick - bad; 12" concertcast tom - good.
If you know how to paint flexible plastics you can paint them yourself.. talk to house of color or ppg.
Yes that's definitely possible. But I'm pretty sure plastic will increase the volume of the stick attack, and It will chip away in a few years of playing :(
Hmm, now I may have to do an experiment with gold PlastiDip and see how long it lasts.
Plasti-Dip Wouldn't even last one session
@@David_Flynn676 I was going to add Dip Hardener to it. I already have some. It's only a few buck experiment. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Well, after two weeks of painting the high hat and using hardener, I see no wear on it at all! Can’t even see stick marks, and have hit it constant for around 8 hours. Must better results than I expected!
I guess I've played practice pads for too long. I'll never buy mesh
Why doesn't Roland use SILVER METALLIC PLASTIC to manufacture the cymbal, rather than paint the black plastic?
I think you mean rubber not pladtic, and yes they did used a gray rubber. But rubber isn't shiny like metal, so they had to coat the rubber with a silver reflective paint
@@65Drums I always thought one could theoretically make a cymbal out of anything, as long as you put a piezo on it. For example the Pintect Visulite are made from impact resistant acrylic, not rubber. They do indeed make a shiny black set of cymbals so again, I would think Roland could design a cymbal made from shiny metallic acrylic. If as the last resort Roland insists on sticking with rubber for thier cymbal material, I still believe you can make rubber shine. I've seen guys detail the tires on thier cars to a super shine. Granted some products are greasy but a few arent & if you dont choke your cymbals alot, then this might be a viable option. Call me optimistic but I still think Roland could pull it off. They just haven't yet exhausted the possibilities. Love your channel BTW. You give some great info. Always a pleasure to hear you play as you try out new equipment too.
Wait I thought Roland was just a video game
The bigger cymbal looks like it been spray painted silver.
That's because it has been lol. All they did to make these "metallic" was give them a coat of shitty silver paint.
i started this vid and will tell you right with out seeing it i WILL NEVER use Pintech again.......i got 2 cymbals from them about 2 years ago had to wait 3 months for them cause they didn't have the material to make them, finally got them set them up got the sounds right and while playing Pink Floyd Shine on you crazy diamond 1 minute in both broke in half..(and i normally play Fear Factory and Megadeth type stuff)...when i sent pics and a strong complaint about it they asked "how can we fix this"..........i have yet to got my money back.....DO NOT EVER USE PINTECH FOR ANYTHING
Gotta say that pintech logo looks like that nazi eagle logo minus the swastika. What were they thinking plopping that on cymbals...