Hey Randy, I'm changing out that damn auto off switch this weekend! Man you guys got some water this week, are you ok, any flooding at your place? Cheers, Ray
Sir, I love you. I have been extremely confused and you have finally put me at ease. The last piece to my compressor set up. From the bottom of my heart, thank you.
You have just explained in everyday language the simple choice for optimum performance of air tools. None of the big names have done it as well as you. Thank you
I have seen lots of stuff on air hoses and fittings....we work with air a lot....tools etc ....but as Ray thought, whats this....ohh now I get it...CFM CFM CFM....best info I have come across yet...well done Ray getting me pointed in the correct direction
Thanks Joe, Now that my entire system is installed in the new shop for over a year now, using a 1" copper loop to the 3/4" Rapid Air MaxLine system making a complete continuous loop around the shop with the Prevost High Flow fittings, I would not change a thing and have more than enough dry air! Check it out here, ua-cam.com/video/6FtBr_9PfCQ/v-deo.html
Hi Ray! I am Curt. A 58 year old retired Dairy Farmer that just backgrounds a few hundred steers and sells quite a bit of hay. I am always working on something in the shop! I am like you. I have a bunch of different air tool ends that are that M and T style. I wanted to just change it all out for a higher flow fitting. I came up with Prevost. I really liked the couplers. I then decided to see if there was any info on UA-cam. Came across your video. This sealed the deal for me! My question is why didn't you go with Prevost hose? What brand is the blue one? Thanks again for this video. Now I know I'm going the right route!!
Hi Curt, I already had a lot of air hose but the Prevost hose is very good! The Blue hose is Goodyear very flexible and strong, not as flexible as the Flexzilla and a little heavier. I have to say the Prevost high flow fittings are the best I have used! Milton does make a highflow fitting but is bigger and more bulky than the Provost. Thanks for tuning in, you will be very happy once to switch over to all the same fittings! Best Regards, Ray
Good video, I wish I viewed it before I replaced all my connectors with Milton high flow. I replaced my compressor with Quincy QT-54 for my Tacoma blast cabinet and darn near got neutered when I removed a air hose. I ordered all new safety connectors thanks to you. Keep up the good job.
The safety feature of the Prevost is really nice, high pressure air lines and tools can be very dangerous as you found out! I have been running the Prevost for two years now and still working like new! I do keep a few spares on hand since you can't just run out to any hardware store to get them. Sounds like you have a very nice set up now!
Congrats on getting the ok on your shop! We run style V connectors and 200psi air in the shop I work in and it makes a 2135TI max IR impact perfrom like a 3/4 only with ha;f the weight. :-) Surprisingly the extra pressure has not broken any tools that I know of.
Hi Ray, I like those quick release ends. We have a couple at work and they do work just like you said. I also like the Milton brand. That is what I use most in my shop. Got to love the coil hoses. I have one at every machine plus at all my work benches. No mess, no fuss. Keep those air leaks to a minimum!! Good video Ray. Thanks! Reid
Hi Reid, I'm liking the Prevost couplers so far and no leaks, let's see in a few years! Once I get the new shop set up, I'll be able to dedicate hoses for each machine, something I have always wanted in the past. Thanks for tuning in! Best Regards, Ray
Nice update Ray. You might want to look into "engine turning" to jazz up that air tool rack. I have been playing with it and it's pretty easy to do and looks dynamite. Good luck with the new shop... Fred
Hello Fred, Yes I am familiar with engine turning and did play with it in another video on a gun part, check it out here: ua-cam.com/video/ALZTnedLZJA/v-deo.html That is not a bad idea to try this on a larger scale, I think it would look pretty cool, Thanks! Best Regards, Ray
Hello Mike, Thanks buddy! Once I saw that scrap piece I knew I had a winner, plus as you know any shelf space in the shop is a must! Thanks for tuning in! Cheers, Ray
Don't forget that the area (and air flow) is related to the square of the diameter, so 0.187" to .290" is not 55% larger, but 140% larger. Same with the hose: 1/4" to 3/8" works out to 125% larger (more than twice as big). McMaster-Carr also sells the "European-Shape" air fittings (with the "0.290" bore). I refitted all my plumbing, hoses and tools to this style back in 2003. It sure makes a difference. Make a few adapters for Euro to standard and standard to Euro so you can visit other shops and adapt to visitors. Thanks for the tip on the pipe dope, and nice air-tool rack design.
Mr. Meek don't you mean radius squared instead of diameter? Area = Pi x R x R. You are on the right track. If you double the diameter the area goes up by 4 because of the squaring the radius.
It doesn't make any difference. If you start with any linear dimension, it will be related to the associated area in relation to the square of the linear dimension. Try it yourself two ways using both the radius and the diameter. Area = d^2 π/4 D x D x pi / 4. One of the most useful numbers you can memorize is pi over four (0.7854). Trace this out on a calculator keyboard - it makes a nice little square. If you are calculating a lot of circular areas, type in the diameter, hit the square button, and then type in [ times .7854 ]. One perfect area after another. (I spent one whole summer doing this on a mechanical calculator determining the scrap left from cutting points on bolts. .7854 is engraved into my brain forever.) It's the relationship that counts. Things like the "4" and π in the equation above are constants, so they don't affect the relationship at all. When I am calculating such relationships I completely ignore all the constants. If I see a circular area that is 5 inches across being compared to another that is 11 inches across, I don't calculate the actual areas, I just square the linear dimensions and say that 5 Squared (25) is ~21% of 11 squared (121). Who cares about the actual area? It is the relationship that counts.
Hello Peter, Thanks for the great info on air flow, man what a big difference the larger plugs made, all the air tools are much more powerful now! I never thought to check out McMaster Carr, I should have known better, because I really wanted the 81 SCFM flow instead of 73 but I happy and they work well. Thanks for tuning in! Best Regards, Ray
Good luck with your new shop. Interesting talk about air supplies and fittings - I do think you are right that too many folks are running pipework and fittings that impede air flow and as a result do not obtain the performance they expect from their tools and equipment.
Hello Dan, For sure, the larger bore does make a big difference in air tool performance. I will be going with a much larger air loop system and drops in the new shop. Thanks for tuning in! Cheers, Ray
Happiness is a new shop, thanks for sharing the plans Ray. Also the tips on the air hose connectors, timely as I am totally fed up with mine and need to do the switch to the high flow type too.
Another good one is the ( P ) style plugs/couplers. They have a 1/4 NPT and wide open body, I believe they flow about 70 cfm. The way they attach the coupler to plug is thicker so there is less movement in the fittings rather than the ( V ) style, those can leak on you. Not all of them, but some of them I guess it depends on the price and who makes them. Part numbers for Milton brand, as follows: m/f: Thread: Type: Part # Female 1/4 FNPT (P)-Type plug: ( 1810 ) Male 1/4 MNPT (P)-Type plug: ( 1809 ) Female 1/4 FNPT(P)-Type coupler: ( 1803 ) Male 1/4 MNPT(P)-Type coupler: ( 1804 ) Now if your running say a 1/2 hose you probably have 3/8 MNPT male threads on both ends, you will need a coupler on one end and a plug on the other. Female 3/8 FNPT (P)-Type Coupler: ( 1805 ) Female 3/8 FNPT (P)-Type plug: ( 1808 ) As long as they are all (P) - Type they will all plug into each other the same, regardless is its 1/4 NPT or 3/8 NPT... The (P) style is consistently the same 3/8" style connection.
Thanks for the backstory, have a porch I'm extending a to the right and the town now wants a variance (didn't need it when I did the left extension and was even urged to go to both sides by previous town officials. Now it's gonna cost me a pretty penny to finish the other side.. They just want their share of any money they can get but that's another rant..
Good info. Thank you. FYI. Tried the push button quick disconnects in our shop - commercial auto repair and fabrication - a few years ago. They did not hold up. Failure rate to high. Now back to all brass with > 3 balls.
Ray, I found the pipe seal pencil at my big box store and tried it and I am really impressed. Its ptfe like the paste but thicker and gives a good seal and some lube to the pipe. Works like a grease pencil. Love it. I have had similar issues to air that you have had. I am going to look into the bigger fittings.
Thanks for the Tip Tim, I do have one of those seal sticks somewhere around here, I'll have to give it a try! Check out Prevost's web site then go over to the ToolTopia site for pricing, I have found them to be the cheapest. Best Regards, Ray
I like your air tool rack idea. Thanks for sharing it! I wish you luck on your permitting process. I sometimes think those guys just want to tweak things because they can (yes, I am a cynic).
The new shop is going to be great Ray, very roomy by the sounds of it. Those air fittings drive me crazy, I just keep buying them until I get the right one.....haha.
Hey Buddy, Yea, I got tired of the air leaks, drives me nuts, well more nuts than I already am... Take it from me, treat yourself to all new good quality fittings, you will be much happier in the log run! Best Regards, Ray
Hi Ray, A shop is never too big...!!!!!!!!! Great you got clearance from the city, this is an odd shaped lot... Good discussion about fittings, that's something I should look after and cut the leaks, also reminds me a few times I got the end of a hose right on the tibia... :-O (Just add your favorite swear...) Nice rack...!!! Hope to be able to drop by this Summer and see this first hand, BTW, don't forget to plan LOTS OF LED LIGHTING, something else that there is never enough of. Cheers, Pierre
Hello Pierre, A shop can never be too big but the wife has a very different opinion! I am very happy to have a 1100 sq space to myself here in the near future! I am hoping to be near completion by June if all goes well and it would be great if you are able to swing by, if not I will see you for sure at the Bash! Cheers, Ray
Lol, Maybe you can keep one for shooting air chucks! I am really liking these Prevost couplings and no more leaks!!! Check out ToolTopia if your going to buy, they had the best price on Prevost and Milton. Cheers, Ray
Ray, thanks for sharing. I've been using the same connectors and couplers for a few years and love them. I also like the Flexzilla hose - I just wish they made one in a coiled version as well. Best coiled hose I've found that's 3/8 ID with 1/4" NPT fittings is Coilhose PRE38-154B-T. Not cheap, but terrific. I have a few suggestions for your shop based on my own experience (I'm on my 5th from scratch shop now). 1 - a laundry sink is a lot more useful in a shop than a conventional bathroom lavatory - you can soak stuff in one, clean paint brushes, have a place to rinse off degreasers, etc. 2 - put 200 AMPs in your shop from day one - doesn't coast that much more, and then you never have to think about it again. 3 - I see no provisions for natural light in your shop - reconsider this. 4 - consider running copper pipe for your air distribution in the shape of a U around the shop at 7 feet above finished floor and held out from the wall 2-3" with spacer blocks, then you can cut and pull taps off the main feed wherever you needs develop - and they will change all the time, trust me. Glad the city seem to be cooperating with your shop permitting - I've experienced it both ways, and when they fight you, it's a real PITA. I'll be interested to follow your progress.
Thanks man! Yes, Legacy/Flexzilla does have a coil hose they call it the Recoil, I saw one at my local hardware store but it was only 1/4" ID if it was 3/8" ID I would have picked it up. I do know Coilhose Pneumatics have a 3/8" ID coilhose in several colors and lengths. I am looking into the RapidAir system for the new shop, looks like a nice system but still undecided at this point. Thanks for your great comments! Regards, Ray
Just FYI, everyone I know who's been enticed into installing Rapid Air system (about 10 in total) are disappointed with their decision and wish they'd used copper instead. Comments include "no cheaper than copper once finished", "difficult to add/change/delete", "lots of leaks" - so do your homework and check around.
Thanks for this Info and heads up! For what they charge for the system it should be perfect. Copper was my next choice and most likely the way I'll go! Thanks again!
It looks like the slots are a little bit tight. We recently made an air tool holder out of about 16 ga steel. We cut keyhole slots out on the CNC Plasma table and bent it on the finger brake. There is even a shelf on top with a edge around it to store air tool oil and miscellaneous parts. I bought my first Flexilla hose a couple of years ago and fell in love with it. A while later, Lowes had the 3/8"x50 retractable hose reals with their hybrid hose on a Black Friday for $49.99 and had to get a couple of those. I hate having to use any of my old air hoses now.
Yes the slots were a little tight so I just milled them a little wider and now they are perfect! My buddy Paul over at ZTFab makes a really sweet air tool/can holder check it out, www.all-a-cart.com/product-page/wall-mounted-spray-can-rack-and-air-tool-holder $50 for a reel and hose is a smoking deal man! I love my Flexzilla hoses except for my 1/2 ID one does not like to coil nice when charged with air but other than that they are awesome! Thanks for tuning in! Best Regards, Ray
Hi Ray! Nice to see another video. I was especially interested in the information you provided on air couplers. My cousin was disconnecting a tool from his Craftsman portable compressor last year. When he made the disconnect, the hose went flying and he was struck in his right eye with the coupler, basically smashing the eyeball like a grape. The safety disconnect would have saved his eyesight (he was already legally blind in the other eye) and he has since spent many trips tp UCLA having several surgeries. I had been planning on making my couplers uniform and now I see how I want to go. I am curious to see how you plumb the shop for air. Nice plans on the shop and I am happy that things went well with the city. I am envious. (-; Btw, I spent Superbowl Sunday in my shop as well. Thanks and take care. Bob
Hello Bob, I am really liking these Prevost High flow fittings, they are working our very well, check out ToolTopia for the best pricing. I am also looking into the RapidAir system for the new shop air system but still undecided and need to do more research plus budget will prevail here! Best Regards Buddy!
Hi Ray, I like the look of the Flexzilla hose. Unfortunately it looks like it's only available with NPT ends, not BSP. It's air pressure at the tool *inlet* that determines performance. Low restriction lines make a big difference, but don't overlook your regulator(s). To some extent running a higher system pressure will give you more flow through a given bore. I helped someone trying to work on the end of 200ft of hose. Going straight to the compressor tank and running a regulator local to the tool got the job done.
Hello Paul, I am liking the Flexzilla hose so far, can you adapt from NPT to BSP? Might add a little more bulk to the hose ends but would allow you to give the Flexzilla hose a try. You could also shoot Legacy a email to see if they have the Flexzilla in BSP. I am also thinking of making a dedicated large bore maybe 1/2" ID hose and fittings once the shop air system is built! Thanks for the info! Best Regards, Ray
Hi Ray, love your videos. Just watched the "Quick Connects" one you made. Would you go higher than a 3/8" ID hose on a sand blasting machine? Thank you
Hi Phil, Thanks! Yes 1/2" ID on hose and ID of fittings for sure! Try and keep the air line to the cabinet as short as possible and be sure that all fittings are 1/2" ID or bigger feeding the cabinet from your air compressor, volume of air is key here!
Honestly you have done a wonderful job here by sharing from your experience based on your personal research so you don't have anything to apologise for and personally you did not say anything wrong here and if at all you made a mistake in some of the things you said the truth is that nobody is perfect we all make mistakes and all that you are trying to do is just to help so thank you for everything and I really commend your effort.I checked the Prevost site and I can see that these connectors comes in different colours,do you know if they are colour coded for different purposes or they just decided to have them in different colours because the one you have is green and I saw other colours there like red,blue,black and some others.Secondly I have an air gun that came originally with the M type stainless steel connector with a fine thread which I think should be the bsp ( British Standard Pipe ) and I want to change it to the T type connector because I prefer it to the others and it is what I have used for the connection of all my tools and equipments so I want to have it as a standard for all my connections but unfortunately it is the coarse thread that I have seen so far which does not fit the air gun.Do you have an idea where I can check to get the T type connector with a fine thread so that I can use it for the air gun or if there is a way that I can get the T type connector for the air gun.Thanks again for the wonderful job that you have done,it is really appreciated and I look forward to more of it"s kind in the future.
Thank you for your kind words! I am not sure on Prevost's color coding, I know mine are the 3/8" High Flow Safety connectors. Safety means that it won't shoot your tool or hose out when released, great feature! I do agree with going with one type connector for all tools and hoses plus have spares around. I am not sure where to find fine thread fittings, you might have to do some research. I can say I am very happy I went with the Prevost High Flow Fittings and changed everything over to the same fittings! Best Regards, Ray
The color coding is for the type of fitting--blue is "industrial", read is Truflow/automotive, green is Euro high flow, and a number of other colors for other styles. If you have existing quick-connect fittings, the odds are good that either the blue or red will be compatible with them.
RAY ..Heard what you SAID About Recoil Hoses and how Well you're Old Black one had been working for YA Over the Years, You mentioned liking how Fast and Neat and The recoil Design IS and =THAT You were going to be shopping for a NEW Best Quality 3/8 RECOIL Hose? WILL You PLEASE Let me know When and What Brand And Model RECOIL Hose You Decided On? THANK YOU RAY :-)
ChevyPowerToGo - Here you go bud, these Coilhose’s are awesome! coilhose.com/index.php/coiled-hose/flexeel-reinforced-polyurethane-coil/flexeel-coil-with-strain-relief-fittings.html
This video came just in time for me. Im running 3/8 id rapidair in my new shop right now and hose and fittings are next. Im still trying to figure out the prevost website. prices would be nice. Haha, thanks.
Thanks for this wonderful video and detailed information,I just want to ask if the Prevost coupler is a universal coupler that can receive all the fittings.
You are correct, Milton has been around ever since I can remember and in every shop I worked in. I choose the Prevost High Flow Euro style and changed everything i own over to that one style and have several extra since you just can't run out and get one anywhere. I am happy with the performance and durability and have held up very well after over two yeas of service.
Looks great, but I'm a little confused why you would put two doors in the bathroom? I would think it could cause problems because people would lock both doors when they're using it, then leave while only unlocking one door, forcing you to walk all the way around the building to the other entrance.
Thanks man! I failed to mention that the back of the shop will be patio/pool deck and I wanted guests and kids to have access to the restroom without going through the shop. Privacy might be an issue and will have to come up a in use procedure. Thanks for pointing that out and hope this clears up your confusion! Cheers, Ray
Welcome to 20 years ago for me ;) I have been all 3/8 hoses since early '90s. I don't like the coiled hoses, they get caught on things. Would be nice hanging from the ceiling. I have three ports in my shop. 1 hose reel with 50' hose and regulator between garage doors. 1 for the plasma cutter. The third, has another regulator and an oil fogger. I run air tools off this. I keep hoses dedicated to this as you would never want to paint with them. Lastly, most compressors and cheap regs/filter combos are crap 1/4 size. The flow is terrible. I have a 1/2" Norgren filter, water trap. reg and oil fogger. It works great. My other regs are smaller Norgren. My impact is usable on my hose reel with the good Norgren 1/4" regulator. I removed the crappy reg off my compressor and connected my shop lines directly. Others have used the large inspection port on the compressor. I have drilled out some of my 1/4 fittings. I was looking at going all 3/8 but they are harder to find. I'll try some of those hi-flow fittings. Thanks for that. I like those safety fittings. I have gone away from Chinese junk regs, now good fittings is next on my list. Will definitely try some of those better fittings.
Great info Scott, I'll need this when plumbing the new shop! The main reason I did not go with 3/8" is the cost for one and like you said they are harder to find but the 81 SCFM would sure be nice! Best Regards, Ray
I do need a new hose as my main one on the oil line is getting spongy. I'll check out those Flexzilla hoses if they are oil rated. They look nice and reasonable. Otherwise I get Goodyear.
You came very close to answering my question about air hoses. As you probably know air volume (CFM) is limited to the smallest orifice in the entire system. So you have a Flexzilla 3/8" ID air hose, but have you measured the ID of the end fittings on the hose? My hoses appear to be high flow but if I look deeper into the end fitting the ID is reduced. Have you checked your Flexzilla? I am curious what the ID of the end fittings are? I cant seem to find anyone who sells hoses and knows the actual ID of the hose end fittings. They all say their hose ID is 3/8", but they dont know what the actual end fitting ID measures. Thanks for the video.
@@RaysGarage I appreciate you measuring the ID of your hose end fittings. I would much rather hear your response than take the word of a distributor. Dont forget to look down into the end fittings to see if the ID is reduced. I'm sure all of us look fwd to your results.
Steady Eddie Sorry for the delay, I will try and measure both the 3/8” & 1/2” ID’s this weekend. I’m willing to bet they are smaller than the hose ID!!!
Steady Eddie The Flexzilla 6’ whip hose has a 1/2” ID, the 1/2” NPT fittings on the hose have a smooth 13/32” ID, much smaller than the 1/2” ID hose!!! I’ll check the 3/8” ID hose next.
Hello Albert, I would get the high flow Prevost fittings. If your air hose has male 3/8" NPT ends you would need the Prevost fitting with female 3/8" NPT.
Thanks for taking the time to make the video. I have a question about the I.D. of the stock fittings on the end of the air hoses. I've found they vary quite a bit. Buying and installing high flow fittings and then having an air hose (even 3/8") that has small inside diameters on the hose fittings will restrain air flow. How do the Flexzilla hose fittings I.D. compare?
Thank you, Flexzilla does make a high flow line of fittings as well so the ID of the Flexzilla air hoses are made to accommodate the larger ID high flow fittings and the 3/8" hose is 3/8" ID
Wouldn’t a 1/4” Npt thread attached to a V series .281 ID max flow still be restricted by a .250 Npt opening so the only open max volume you ever achieve with 1/4 is .250 ? Much better than .208 from universal fittings like M and T , Even a 1/4 npt to a 3/8 barb fitting would still be limited by 1/4? Trying to figure how to maximize volume on 1/4” fittings as well but I believe it’s limited to the thread size unless you have a way of moving off a smaller thread size to the next size up which would be 3/8npt. But using v series does allow you get the full .250 or better which I like great video even if it’s a old one ☝️
Hello Ray, The new shop plans look good. One other thing regarding air to keep in mind is that similar to electricity (current) is distance equals resistance. So if you have very long runs it might behoove you to go up a size in delivery lines and then if you want use a smaller 'whip' off the main line to run the tool without dragging the heavy hose. You also want to check out the 'memory' in air hoses because if it has high memory it will fight you every time you use it. For cold and memory I still use Goodyear rubber based hose (I often use it in sub freezing temperature) as I haven't found any of the composite hoses with high plastic content that compared. I may have missed them but I have tried several to no avail. Harbor Freight has some good ones and some bad ones with good prices. My experience with coil hoses is different than yours as they seem to snag every damn thing in the shop or even the same hemisphere! I tried one for a week several years ago and it went on the shelf. The weather has improved for the time being so my shop expansion is progressing (slowed by the old fart --me-- doing it!) hope to be weathered in by summer. Painting yourself in a corner by trying to figure permanent places for tools is difficult for sure. Take care. Doug
Hello Doug, Thanks for all this great info! I will be plumbing the new shops air delivery system with a 1" ID loop in the attic with 1/2" drop downs, this should work well from what I have been reading. Still a way off before completion so I have time to design the perfect system! Best Regards, Ray
Great, informative video. Looks like the links are broken, any chance you could update them? I just got my first air compressor and want to start out buying a good hose and fittings. I'm having a hard time finding the proper part numbers. thanks
Thanks bud! Check out my buddy Paul over at ZTFab he makes tool racks way nicer than mine at a very reasonable price, check it out here, www.all-a-cart.com/product-page/wall-mounted-spray-can-rack-and-air-tool-holder
You won't regret it. I can't wait to see your new shop Ray, I'm still amazed when I watch your vids at the clean/organized/impeccable/-OCD- =) state your current shop is always in! I'm sure the new shop will be no exception, if not even more so.
I am not sure about that, you will have to check with Prevost. I changed all my air tools and couplers over to the Prevost high flow and have performed extremely well since!
Dan Brown Thank You very much, this is great info. Would you be able to help me with one other determination. I’m not up on all of how air fittings and sizing works, but I have any an existing air hose reel that has a male threaded end. It’s measuring at the threads at about 1/2” wide, would that be that I would need the 1/2” FNPT Prevost coupler # ISI061203? Thx again!
@@tundrawhisperer4821 Pipe thread sizing is weird--if it's measuring 1/2" OD, it's going to be 1/4" NPT. Unless it's some kind of specialty application, almost all air tool and hose fittings are 1/4" NPT (male or female).
I kinda thought you were from the Philly area...maybe over the bridge even! We were down there 22 years and claimed both teams. Except when we played the (as my youngest son called them) seaguls in the super bowl. Glad to see you are back producing a little. Keep on, keeping on!
hi ray, thanks for showing your shop plans. i'd make a design for at least 2000 sqft, but that's my taste. it's almost never snowing in your area. why then would you need a double-slopped roof? are you planning for some ac in your new building? the current shop where you shot this clip has one big echo in it. would you consider putting cork boards or old canvass or blankets of the walls to deaden the noise? thank you for the video, -toly
Hello Toly, I would love to have 2000 sq ft but the wife said no, I was lucky to get 1100! The reason for the roof design is per city code when installing a tile roof, plus everything in Ca now must be able to support solar. Would love A/C but it did not fit the build budget I had to work from but I will be plumbing for it! We will have to deal with echo's for now since all funds are going to the new building, this garage will be for parking vehicles only once the shop is complete! Best Regards Buddy!
hi ray, and thank you for the reply. yes, brother, the wife is an irresistible force to reckon with. i've got one in '07, -- so i, too, know what it is. i am in ca, also. my shop is next to the cow palace, if you know where it is. fortunately, the city does not "emperat omnis", and plenty of stuff is left for owner's discretion. btw, the photovoltaic cells on the roof has been arranged for a variance -- for the flat roof. i am talking of my neighbor's. wishing you every great success with your plans! hope to meet you some day, -toly
Hello Toly, Yes I do know where the Cow Palace is, I spent many months in that area for work in the late 80's, I did not realize you are a car drive away! I am finding out very quickly that this city has become very strict in building codes, and can understand wanting a safe and nice looking building but the fees are crazy expensive, then your taxed on it every year after! For sure will have to get together sometime! Take care buddy! Ray
Your better off using tape and thread sealant, and with both your not supposed to start at the very end, been using both for 25 years, never once have I had any chunks of either in the system. Don't believe everything you read or hear on the net!!!
Thanks for the advise, I have learned since this video that it is best to use both tape and sealant on air fittings. Coming from the automotive world it was always a big no-no to use tape on fuel fittings. Thanks for tuning in, Best Regards, Ray
Oh Yea, Steve could be my twin and I was a bouncer like Steve back in the day but unfortunately not on a reality show! Thanks for your comments and for tuning in! Best Regards, Ray
You got a plan, sweet. Nice hose system. Should should talk to Chuck about those lights.
Hey Randy, I'm changing out that damn auto off switch this weekend! Man you guys got some water this week, are you ok, any flooding at your place?
Cheers,
Ray
Sir, I love you. I have been extremely confused and you have finally put me at ease. The last piece to my compressor set up. From the bottom of my heart, thank you.
Glad I could help!
You have just explained in everyday language the simple choice for optimum performance of air tools. None of the big names have done it as well as you. Thank you
Thank you John, I am happy to hear you gained good info from this video! Best Regards, Ray
Thanks Ray!! I learned a lot and upgrading my air accessories thanks to you!! I love that rack for the air tools... GREAT IDEA!!
Thanks man!!!
I have seen lots of stuff on air hoses and fittings....we work with air a lot....tools etc ....but as Ray thought, whats this....ohh now I get it...CFM CFM CFM....best info I have come across yet...well done Ray getting me pointed in the correct direction
Thanks Joe, Now that my entire system is installed in the new shop for over a year now, using a 1" copper loop to the 3/4" Rapid Air MaxLine system making a complete continuous loop around the shop with the Prevost High Flow fittings, I would not change a thing and have more than enough dry air! Check it out here, ua-cam.com/video/6FtBr_9PfCQ/v-deo.html
Hi Ray! I am Curt. A 58 year old retired Dairy Farmer that just backgrounds a few hundred steers and sells quite a bit of hay. I am always working on something in the shop! I am like you. I have a bunch of different air tool ends that are that M and T style. I wanted to just change it all out for a higher flow fitting. I came up with Prevost. I really liked the couplers. I then decided to see if there was any info on UA-cam. Came across your video. This sealed the deal for me! My question is why didn't you go with Prevost hose? What brand is the blue one? Thanks again for this video. Now I know I'm going the right route!!
Hi Curt, I already had a lot of air hose but the Prevost hose is very good! The Blue hose is Goodyear very flexible and strong, not as flexible as the Flexzilla and a little heavier. I have to say the Prevost high flow fittings are the best I have used! Milton does make a highflow fitting but is bigger and more bulky than the Provost. Thanks for tuning in, you will be very happy once to switch over to all the same fittings! Best Regards, Ray
Good video, I wish I viewed it before I replaced all my connectors with Milton high flow. I replaced my compressor with Quincy QT-54 for my Tacoma blast cabinet and darn near got neutered when I removed a air hose. I ordered all new safety connectors thanks to you. Keep up the good job.
The safety feature of the Prevost is really nice, high pressure air lines and tools can be very dangerous as you found out! I have been running the Prevost for two years now and still working like new! I do keep a few spares on hand since you can't just run out to any hardware store to get them. Sounds like you have a very nice set up now!
Thanks for your meticulous research of options and explanations for your preferences! Your shop plans will manifest as you wish, I am sure.
Thank you for tuning in and I have to say i really like these Prevost quick connects and high flow fittings!
Thanks for sharing your research. Very helpful. I too am frustrated with air hose leaks. Congratulation on the new shop!
Thanks man! Yes, no more air leaks and I not missing hearing that in any way!
Best Regards,
Ray
Congrats on getting the ok on your shop! We run style V connectors and 200psi air in the shop I work in and it makes a 2135TI max IR impact perfrom like a 3/4 only with ha;f the weight. :-) Surprisingly the extra pressure has not broken any tools that I know of.
Hello Brian, Thanks man! I am really liking these High Flow connectors they do preform way better and no more leaks!
Cheers,
Ray
This video helped, Thanks
Glad it helped, Thank you!
Hi Ray,
I like those quick release ends. We have a couple at work and they do work just like you said. I also like the Milton brand. That is what I use most in my shop. Got to love the coil hoses. I have one at every machine plus at all my work benches. No mess, no fuss. Keep those air leaks to a minimum!!
Good video Ray. Thanks!
Reid
Hi Reid, I'm liking the Prevost couplers so far and no leaks, let's see in a few years! Once I get the new shop set up, I'll be able to dedicate hoses for each machine, something I have always wanted in the past. Thanks for tuning in!
Best Regards,
Ray
Nice update Ray. You might want to look into "engine turning" to jazz up that air tool rack. I have been playing with it and it's pretty easy to do and looks dynamite. Good luck with the new shop... Fred
Hello Fred, Yes I am familiar with engine turning and did play with it in another video on a gun part, check it out here: ua-cam.com/video/ALZTnedLZJA/v-deo.html
That is not a bad idea to try this on a larger scale, I think it would look pretty cool, Thanks!
Best Regards,
Ray
Great vid Ray! I love the tool rack out of rectangular tube.....that shelf on top is a huge win!! Thanks!
Hello Mike, Thanks buddy! Once I saw that scrap piece I knew I had a winner, plus as you know any shelf space in the shop is a must! Thanks for tuning in!
Cheers,
Ray
Don't forget that the area (and air flow) is related to the square of the diameter, so 0.187" to .290" is not 55% larger, but 140% larger. Same with the hose: 1/4" to 3/8" works out to 125% larger (more than twice as big).
McMaster-Carr also sells the "European-Shape" air fittings (with the "0.290" bore). I refitted all my plumbing, hoses and tools to this style back in 2003. It sure makes a difference. Make a few adapters for Euro to standard and standard to Euro so you can visit other shops and adapt to visitors.
Thanks for the tip on the pipe dope, and nice air-tool rack design.
Mr. Meek don't you mean radius squared instead of diameter? Area = Pi x R x R. You are on the right track. If you double the diameter the area goes up by 4 because of the squaring the radius.
It doesn't make any difference. If you start with any linear dimension, it will be related to the associated area in relation to the square of the linear dimension. Try it yourself two ways using both the radius and the diameter.
Area = d^2 π/4 D x D x pi / 4. One of the most useful numbers you can memorize is pi over four (0.7854). Trace this out on a calculator keyboard - it makes a nice little square. If you are calculating a lot of circular areas, type in the diameter, hit the square button, and then type in [ times .7854 ]. One perfect area after another. (I spent one whole summer doing this on a mechanical calculator determining the scrap left from cutting points on bolts. .7854 is engraved into my brain forever.)
It's the relationship that counts. Things like the "4" and π in the equation above are constants, so they don't affect the relationship at all. When I am calculating such relationships I completely ignore all the constants. If I see a circular area that is 5 inches across being compared to another that is 11 inches across, I don't calculate the actual areas, I just square the linear dimensions and say that 5 Squared (25) is ~21% of 11 squared (121). Who cares about the actual area? It is the relationship that counts.
Hello Peter, Thanks for the great info on air flow, man what a big difference the larger plugs made, all the air tools are much more powerful now! I never thought to check out McMaster Carr, I should have known better, because I really wanted the 81 SCFM flow instead of 73 but I happy and they work well. Thanks for tuning in!
Best Regards,
Ray
Good luck with your new shop.
Interesting talk about air supplies and fittings - I do think you are right that too many folks are running pipework and fittings that impede air flow and as a result do not obtain the performance they expect from their tools and equipment.
Hello Dan, For sure, the larger bore does make a big difference in air tool performance. I will be going with a much larger air loop system and drops in the new shop. Thanks for tuning in!
Cheers,
Ray
Happiness is a new shop, thanks for sharing the plans Ray. Also the tips on the air hose connectors, timely as I am totally fed up with mine and need to do the switch to the high flow type too.
For sure John! Check out ToolTopia, they have the best price from what I have found so far plus free shipping!
Cheers,
Ray
Another good one is the ( P ) style plugs/couplers. They have a 1/4 NPT and wide open body, I believe they flow about 70 cfm. The way they attach the coupler to plug is thicker so there is less movement in the fittings rather than the ( V ) style, those can leak on you. Not all of them, but some of them I guess it depends on the price and who makes them.
Part numbers for Milton brand, as follows:
m/f: Thread: Type: Part #
Female 1/4 FNPT (P)-Type plug: ( 1810 )
Male 1/4 MNPT (P)-Type plug: ( 1809 )
Female 1/4 FNPT(P)-Type coupler: ( 1803 )
Male 1/4 MNPT(P)-Type coupler: ( 1804 )
Now if your running say a 1/2 hose you probably have 3/8 MNPT male threads on both ends, you will need a coupler on one end and a plug on the other.
Female 3/8 FNPT (P)-Type Coupler: ( 1805 )
Female 3/8 FNPT (P)-Type plug: ( 1808 )
As long as they are all (P) - Type they will all plug into each other the same, regardless is its 1/4 NPT or 3/8 NPT... The (P) style is consistently the same 3/8" style connection.
Great Information, Thanks for sharing!!!
Informative video. Enjoyed it and looking forward to build updates.
Many Thanks! I too am looking forward to the new build!
Best Regards,
Ray
Thanks for the backstory, have a porch I'm extending a to the right and the town now wants a variance (didn't need it when I did the left extension and was even urged to go to both sides by previous town officials. Now it's gonna cost me a pretty penny to finish the other side.. They just want their share of any money they can get but that's another rant..
Hi John, I felt your pain! I was $7K in before breaking ground on the shop build! I believe this is called extortion! Keep forging ahead my friend!
Good info. Thank you. FYI. Tried the push button quick disconnects in our shop - commercial auto repair and fabrication - a few years ago. They did not hold up. Failure rate to high. Now back to all brass with > 3 balls.
Thanks for the info David, I am hoping these hold up, if not Prevost is getting them back! In your experience, which one hold up best?
Regards,
Ray
Ray
You hang those picture's as they say happy wife happy life . Big shop will be nice.
Cheers Fred
You nailed that one Fred, I'm on it soon!
Best Regards,
Ray
Ray, I found the pipe seal pencil at my big box store and tried it and I am really impressed. Its ptfe like the paste but thicker and gives a good seal and some lube to the pipe. Works like a grease pencil. Love it. I have had similar issues to air that you have had. I am going to look into the bigger fittings.
Thanks for the Tip Tim, I do have one of those seal sticks somewhere around here, I'll have to give it a try! Check out Prevost's web site then go over to the ToolTopia site for pricing, I have found them to be the cheapest.
Best Regards,
Ray
Look like you on the right track on that new shop...
Thanks Murray, How can I go wrong with this awesome community's input and suggestions!
Best Regards,
Ray
I like your air tool rack idea. Thanks for sharing it! I wish you luck on your permitting process. I sometimes think those guys just want to tweak things because they can (yes, I am a cynic).
Thanks and you are correct, any reason for the city to squeeze more fees out of me!
Best Regards,
Ray
The new shop is going to be great Ray, very roomy by the sounds of it. Those air fittings drive me crazy, I just keep buying them until I get the right one.....haha.
Hey Buddy, Yea, I got tired of the air leaks, drives me nuts, well more nuts than I already am... Take it from me, treat yourself to all new good quality fittings, you will be much happier in the log run!
Best Regards,
Ray
Hi Ray,
A shop is never too big...!!!!!!!!!
Great you got clearance from the city, this is an odd shaped lot...
Good discussion about fittings, that's something I should look after and cut the leaks, also reminds me a few times I got the end of a hose right on the tibia... :-O (Just add your favorite swear...)
Nice rack...!!!
Hope to be able to drop by this Summer and see this first hand, BTW, don't forget to plan LOTS OF LED LIGHTING, something else that there is never enough of.
Cheers, Pierre
Hello Pierre, A shop can never be too big but the wife has a very different opinion! I am very happy to have a 1100 sq space to myself here in the near future! I am hoping to be near completion by June if all goes well and it would be great if you are able to swing by, if not I will see you for sure at the Bash!
Cheers,
Ray
those prevost couplers look great, love that slow release feature
For sure man, I am really liking them and no more air leaks!
Cheers,
Ray
Nice shop Ray. Looking forward to build vids.
Thanks Steve, I am looking forward to the build as well buddy!
Cheers,
Ray
Nice video...shop looks great
Many Thanks Chuck, I am still reviewing and thinking on how to incorporate all the great info you sent!
Cheers,
Ray
Thanks for doing the research on the air fittings. P.S. I always get a kick out of popping the air chuck across the shop!
Lol, Maybe you can keep one for shooting air chucks! I am really liking these Prevost couplings and no more leaks!!! Check out ToolTopia if your going to buy, they had the best price on Prevost and Milton.
Cheers,
Ray
Ray, thanks for sharing. I've been using the same connectors and couplers for a few years and love them. I also like the Flexzilla hose - I just wish they made one in a coiled version as well. Best coiled hose I've found that's 3/8 ID with 1/4" NPT fittings is Coilhose PRE38-154B-T. Not cheap, but terrific. I have a few suggestions for your shop based on my own experience (I'm on my 5th from scratch shop now). 1 - a laundry sink is a lot more useful in a shop than a conventional bathroom lavatory - you can soak stuff in one, clean paint brushes, have a place to rinse off degreasers, etc. 2 - put 200 AMPs in your shop from day one - doesn't coast that much more, and then you never have to think about it again. 3 - I see no provisions for natural light in your shop - reconsider this. 4 - consider running copper pipe for your air distribution in the shape of a U around the shop at 7 feet above finished floor and held out from the wall 2-3" with spacer blocks, then you can cut and pull taps off the main feed wherever you needs develop - and they will change all the time, trust me. Glad the city seem to be cooperating with your shop permitting - I've experienced it both ways, and when they fight you, it's a real PITA. I'll be interested to follow your progress.
Thanks man! Yes, Legacy/Flexzilla does have a coil hose they call it the Recoil, I saw one at my local hardware store but it was only 1/4" ID if it was 3/8" ID I would have picked it up. I do know Coilhose Pneumatics have a 3/8" ID coilhose in several colors and lengths. I am looking into the RapidAir system for the new shop, looks like a nice system but still undecided at this point.
Thanks for your great comments!
Regards,
Ray
Just FYI, everyone I know who's been enticed into installing Rapid Air system (about 10 in total) are disappointed with their decision and wish they'd used copper instead. Comments include "no cheaper than copper once finished", "difficult to add/change/delete", "lots of leaks" - so do your homework and check around.
Thanks for this Info and heads up! For what they charge for the system it should be perfect. Copper was my next choice and most likely the way I'll go!
Thanks again!
It looks like the slots are a little bit tight. We recently made an air tool holder out of about 16 ga steel. We cut keyhole slots out on the CNC Plasma table and bent it on the finger brake. There is even a shelf on top with a edge around it to store air tool oil and miscellaneous parts. I bought my first Flexilla hose a couple of years ago and fell in love with it. A while later, Lowes had the 3/8"x50 retractable hose reals with their hybrid hose on a Black Friday for $49.99 and had to get a couple of those. I hate having to use any of my old air hoses now.
Yes the slots were a little tight so I just milled them a little wider and now they are perfect! My buddy Paul over at ZTFab makes a really sweet air tool/can holder check it out, www.all-a-cart.com/product-page/wall-mounted-spray-can-rack-and-air-tool-holder
$50 for a reel and hose is a smoking deal man! I love my Flexzilla hoses except for my 1/2 ID one does not like to coil nice when charged with air but other than that they are awesome! Thanks for tuning in! Best Regards, Ray
good luck with your new garage,also thanks for the nice video ,keep up the good work, a lot of cool stuff
Many Thanks Ray, I am looking forward to getting moved in the new shop soon! Thanks for tuning in!
Best Regards,
Ray
great video im going to change over thanks
Your going to really like them and see a big performance gain in your air tools!
Obsessed Garage has great quality stuff, you should check out Matt's site.
Hi Ray! Nice to see another video. I was especially interested in the information you provided on air couplers. My cousin was disconnecting a tool from his Craftsman portable compressor last year. When he made the disconnect, the hose went flying and he was struck in his right eye with the coupler, basically smashing the eyeball like a grape. The safety disconnect would have saved his eyesight (he was already legally blind in the other eye) and he has since spent many trips tp UCLA having several surgeries. I had been planning on making my couplers uniform and now I see how I want to go. I am curious to see how you plumb the shop for air.
Nice plans on the shop and I am happy that things went well with the city. I am envious. (-;
Btw, I spent Superbowl Sunday in my shop as well.
Thanks and take care.
Bob
Hello Bob, I am really liking these Prevost High flow fittings, they are working our very well, check out ToolTopia for the best pricing. I am also looking into the RapidAir system for the new shop air system but still undecided and need to do more research plus budget will prevail here!
Best Regards Buddy!
Hi Ray,
I like the look of the Flexzilla hose. Unfortunately it looks like it's only available with NPT ends, not BSP.
It's air pressure at the tool *inlet* that determines performance. Low restriction lines make a big difference, but don't overlook your regulator(s).
To some extent running a higher system pressure will give you more flow through a given bore. I helped someone trying to work on the end of 200ft of hose. Going straight to the compressor tank and running a regulator local to the tool got the job done.
Hello Paul, I am liking the Flexzilla hose so far, can you adapt from NPT to BSP? Might add a little more bulk to the hose ends but would allow you to give the Flexzilla hose a try. You could also shoot Legacy a email to see if they have the Flexzilla in BSP. I am also thinking of making a dedicated large bore maybe 1/2" ID hose and fittings once the shop air system is built!
Thanks for the info!
Best Regards,
Ray
Hi Ray, 200 amp is a must! You will have it tapped out in 5 years LOL. Great planning, thanks for the upload all is great.
Thanks Mark, Yes sounds like the direction I'll be going, one can never have enough power!
Hi Ray, love your videos. Just watched the "Quick Connects" one you made. Would you go higher than a 3/8" ID hose on a sand blasting machine? Thank you
Hi Phil, Thanks! Yes 1/2" ID on hose and ID of fittings for sure! Try and keep the air line to the cabinet as short as possible and be sure that all fittings are 1/2" ID or bigger feeding the cabinet from your air compressor, volume of air is key here!
@@RaysGarage Will do Ray, thank you so much & Happy Memorial Day 🇺🇸
Always great stuff Ray......keep up the good work!
Thanks Dan, I do appreciate your kind words!
Best Regards,
Ray
I gotta say.. really nice CAD work.
For sure my guy did a great job, Let's hope it passes the city's plan check division this week!
Best Regards,
Ray
Hey! I have an idea.
Move into the new building and convert the house to a shop. 😊
Seriously, that's a nice shop you're building.
Thanks,
John
Hey John, My thoughts exactly but the wife would never go for that, plus I need my alone time in the shop!
Cheers,
Ray
Ray Caniglia
Yeah, wives are funny that way. No sense of humor. 😊
Thanks,
John
Nice job on video liking the air tool rack
Thanks man, Just a few more finishing touches and it will be ready to go in the new shop once completed. Thanks for tuning in!
Cheers,
Ray
Honestly you have done a wonderful job here by sharing from your experience based on your personal research so you don't have anything to apologise for and personally you did not say anything wrong here and if at all you made a mistake in some of the things you said the truth is that nobody is perfect we all make mistakes and all that you are trying to do is just to help so thank you for everything and I really commend your effort.I checked the Prevost site and I can see that these connectors comes in different colours,do you know if they are colour coded for different purposes or they just decided to have them in different colours because the one you have is green and I saw other colours there like red,blue,black and some others.Secondly I have an air gun that came originally with the M type stainless steel connector with a fine thread which I think should be the bsp ( British Standard Pipe ) and I want to change it to the T type connector because I prefer it to the others and it is what I have used for the connection of all my tools and equipments so I want to have it as a standard for all my connections but unfortunately it is the coarse thread that I have seen so far which does not fit the air gun.Do you have an idea where I can check to get the T type connector with a fine thread so that I can use it for the air gun or if there is a way that I can get the T type connector for the air gun.Thanks again for the wonderful job that you have done,it is really appreciated and I look forward to more of it"s kind in the future.
Thank you for your kind words! I am not sure on Prevost's color coding, I know mine are the 3/8" High Flow Safety connectors. Safety means that it won't shoot your tool or hose out when released, great feature! I do agree with going with one type connector for all tools and hoses plus have spares around. I am not sure where to find fine thread fittings, you might have to do some research. I can say I am very happy I went with the Prevost High Flow Fittings and changed everything over to the same fittings! Best Regards, Ray
The color coding is for the type of fitting--blue is "industrial", read is Truflow/automotive, green is Euro high flow, and a number of other colors for other styles. If you have existing quick-connect fittings, the odds are good that either the blue or red will be compatible with them.
I'm a contractor and if you can go 28 foot it really dosent cost any more when you consider the wasted lumber not useing even widths,,,,
I had a hard time just getting 26' wide by the wife but the two extra feet would have been real nice!!!
@@RaysGarage I went 36 x 48 and let the woman go,,,lol...i think I made the wise choice.
RAY ..Heard what you SAID About Recoil Hoses and how Well you're Old Black one had been working for YA Over the Years,
You mentioned liking how Fast and Neat and The recoil Design IS and =THAT You were going to be shopping for a NEW Best Quality 3/8 RECOIL Hose?
WILL You PLEASE Let me know When and What Brand And Model RECOIL Hose You Decided On?
THANK YOU RAY :-)
ChevyPowerToGo - Here you go bud, these Coilhose’s are awesome!
coilhose.com/index.php/coiled-hose/flexeel-reinforced-polyurethane-coil/flexeel-coil-with-strain-relief-fittings.html
This video came just in time for me. Im running 3/8 id rapidair in my new shop right now and hose and fittings are next. Im still trying to figure out the prevost website. prices would be nice. Haha, thanks.
Nice! I'm thinking about using the RapidAir system as well in the new shop! The best price I found for Prevost is from ToolTopia.
Best Regards,
Ray
Thanks for this wonderful video and detailed information,I just want to ask if the Prevost coupler is a universal coupler that can receive all the fittings.
GREGGS TECH Thank you! This Prevost coupler is not universal but it is the European style high flow fitting.
I decided on all Milton, because I know in time plastic will become brittle and break down,,,and as you know Milton has been around for ever...
You are correct, Milton has been around ever since I can remember and in every shop I worked in. I choose the Prevost High Flow Euro style and changed everything i own over to that one style and have several extra since you just can't run out and get one anywhere. I am happy with the performance and durability and have held up very well after over two yeas of service.
so i have that same hose, the flex 3/8....but the aluminum ends are 1/4..... so did you change the hose ends? or just add the HF fittings?
Hello Reggie, My hose ends are 1/4" npt so I used the high flow Prevost fittings to fit 1/4" npt. I hope this helps you!
@@RaysGarage
So did you change the ends on the hose? Or you just added the 1/4 hf fittings? And are those high flow fittings industrial or automotive?
@@RC.56 The hose cam with 1/4"NPT Male ends so I used Prevost high flow 1/4" quick connects. If you have 3/8" hose ends get the 3/8" quick connects.
I’m thinking getting the flexvilla hose .i would like see update review on the air hose .i like channel
Hey Chad, So far so good, the Flexzilla hoses are holding up great, they do get dirty looking after time but clean up pretty easy!
Looks great, but I'm a little confused why you would put two doors in the bathroom? I would think it could cause problems because people would lock both doors when they're using it, then leave while only unlocking one door, forcing you to walk all the way around the building to the other entrance.
Thanks man! I failed to mention that the back of the shop will be patio/pool deck and I wanted guests and kids to have access to the restroom without going through the shop. Privacy might be an issue and will have to come up a in use procedure. Thanks for pointing that out and hope this clears up your confusion!
Cheers,
Ray
Great detailed video.
BTW Prevost is a French name and is pronounced Prevo. The ST is silent
Thanks for the info, I have been saying Prevost wrong all this time! Best connections i have ever used!
Welcome to 20 years ago for me ;) I have been all 3/8 hoses since early '90s.
I don't like the coiled hoses, they get caught on things. Would be nice hanging from the ceiling.
I have three ports in my shop. 1 hose reel with 50' hose and regulator between garage doors. 1 for the plasma cutter.
The third, has another regulator and an oil fogger. I run air tools off this. I keep hoses dedicated to this as you would never want to paint with them.
Lastly, most compressors and cheap regs/filter combos are crap 1/4 size. The flow is terrible. I have a 1/2" Norgren filter, water trap. reg and oil fogger. It works great. My other regs are smaller Norgren. My impact is usable on my hose reel with the good Norgren 1/4" regulator.
I removed the crappy reg off my compressor and connected my shop lines directly. Others have used the large inspection port on the compressor.
I have drilled out some of my 1/4 fittings. I was looking at going all 3/8 but they are harder to find. I'll try some of those hi-flow fittings. Thanks for that. I like those safety fittings.
I have gone away from Chinese junk regs, now good fittings is next on my list. Will definitely try some of those better fittings.
Great info Scott, I'll need this when plumbing the new shop! The main reason I did not go with 3/8" is the cost for one and like you said they are harder to find but the 81 SCFM would sure be nice!
Best Regards,
Ray
I do need a new hose as my main one on the oil line is getting spongy. I'll check out those Flexzilla hoses if they are oil rated. They look nice and reasonable. Otherwise I get Goodyear.
Thank you Thank you Thank you
You are very welcome Carlos, Thanks for tuning in!
A winner shirt!
Hey Tom, Thanks bud and thanks for tuning in!
Best Regards,
Ray
You came very close to answering my question about air hoses. As you probably know air volume (CFM) is limited to the smallest orifice in the entire system. So you have a Flexzilla 3/8" ID air hose, but have you measured the ID of the end fittings on the hose? My hoses appear to be high flow but if I look deeper into the end fitting the ID is reduced. Have you checked your Flexzilla? I am curious what the ID of the end fittings are? I cant seem to find anyone who sells hoses and knows the actual ID of the hose end fittings. They all say their hose ID is 3/8", but they dont know what the actual end fitting ID measures. Thanks for the video.
I would have to measure the id of the fittings to be 100% sure then get back to you. Great question, Thanks!
@@RaysGarage I appreciate you measuring the ID of your hose end fittings. I would much rather hear your response than take the word of a distributor. Dont forget to look down into the end fittings to see if the ID is reduced. I'm sure all of us look fwd to your results.
Steady Eddie Sorry for the delay, I will try and measure both the 3/8” & 1/2” ID’s this weekend. I’m willing to bet they are smaller than the hose ID!!!
@@RaysGarage I did a little more research myself, but I'll wait to hear your response and we can compare results. Thanks for the update.
Steady Eddie The Flexzilla 6’ whip hose has a 1/2” ID, the 1/2” NPT fittings on the hose have a smooth 13/32” ID, much smaller than the 1/2” ID hose!!! I’ll check the 3/8” ID hose next.
i like that tool rack hang those pics level :)
Thanks man, I hear that I'm sure the wife will throw a level on them to check my work!
Cheers,
Ray
I just bought a 50 foot SmartFlex hose in blue made by Legacy (same maker of Flexilla). Neon green I'm not a fan of.
Great video I just bought that hose in a 1/2in that came with 3/8 ends now which fittings do I need to get? For the provost?
Hello Albert, I would get the high flow Prevost fittings. If your air hose has male 3/8" NPT ends you would need the Prevost fitting with female 3/8" NPT.
Thanks for taking the time to make the video. I have a question about the I.D. of the stock fittings on the end of the air hoses. I've found they vary quite a bit. Buying and installing high flow fittings and then having an air hose (even 3/8") that has small inside diameters on the hose fittings will restrain air flow. How do the Flexzilla hose fittings I.D. compare?
Thank you, Flexzilla does make a high flow line of fittings as well so the ID of the Flexzilla air hoses are made to accommodate the larger ID high flow fittings and the 3/8" hose is 3/8" ID
Wouldn’t a 1/4” Npt thread attached to a V series .281 ID max flow still be restricted by a .250 Npt opening so the only open max volume you ever achieve with 1/4 is .250 ? Much better than .208 from universal fittings like M and T , Even a 1/4 npt to a 3/8 barb fitting would still be limited by 1/4? Trying to figure how to maximize volume on 1/4” fittings as well but I believe it’s limited to the thread size unless you have a way of moving off a smaller thread size to the next size up which would be 3/8npt. But using v series does allow you get the full .250 or better which I like great video even if it’s a old one ☝️
Hello Ray, The new shop plans look good. One other thing regarding air to keep in mind is that similar to electricity (current) is distance equals resistance. So if you have very long runs it might behoove you to go up a size in delivery lines and then if you want use a smaller 'whip' off the main line to run the tool without dragging the heavy hose. You also want to check out the 'memory' in air hoses because if it has high memory it will fight you every time you use it. For cold and memory I still use Goodyear rubber based hose (I often use it in sub freezing temperature) as I haven't found any of the composite hoses with high plastic content that compared. I may have missed them but I have tried several to no avail. Harbor Freight has some good ones and some bad ones with good prices. My experience with coil hoses is different than yours as they seem to snag every damn thing in the shop or even the same hemisphere! I tried one for a week several years ago and it went on the shelf. The weather has improved for the time being so my shop expansion is progressing (slowed by the old fart --me-- doing it!) hope to be weathered in by summer. Painting yourself in a corner by trying to figure permanent places for tools is difficult for sure. Take care. Doug
Hello Doug, Thanks for all this great info! I will be plumbing the new shops air delivery system with a 1" ID loop in the attic with 1/2" drop downs, this should work well from what I have been reading. Still a way off before completion so I have time to design the perfect system!
Best Regards,
Ray
Great, informative video. Looks like the links are broken, any chance you could update them? I just got my first air compressor and want to start out buying a good hose and fittings. I'm having a hard time finding the proper part numbers. thanks
Hello Bill, Sorry about that, I'll get them fixed today, Thanks!
Hi Bill, Links are fixed, thanks again!
Thank you Ray!!
Great idea for the tool rack! I am tired of running around looking for each of my tools too! How much would you make me one for?
Thanks bud! Check out my buddy Paul over at ZTFab he makes tool racks way nicer than mine at a very reasonable price, check it out here,
www.all-a-cart.com/product-page/wall-mounted-spray-can-rack-and-air-tool-holder
100% Go 200 amp from the get go! You will need it! 100amp is nothing. Way to nice of a shop to skimp on power Ray.
Thanks Steve, sounds like I'm going that direction now!
Regards,
Ray
You won't regret it. I can't wait to see your new shop Ray, I'm still amazed when I watch your vids at the clean/organized/impeccable/-OCD- =) state your current shop is always in! I'm sure the new shop will be no exception, if not even more so.
Thanks Steve!
So they make a Prevost coupler that will work with all of my existing 1/4 standard plugs that I have on all of my existing air guns and blow guns?
I am not sure about that, you will have to check with Prevost. I changed all my air tools and couplers over to the Prevost high flow and have performed extremely well since!
They do. The couplers with blue buttons work with the standard "industrial" plugs; red buttons with "Truflate" or "automotive" style.
Dan Brown Thank You very much, this is great info. Would you be able to help me with one other determination. I’m not up on all of how air fittings and sizing works, but I have any an existing air hose reel that has a male threaded end. It’s measuring at the threads at about 1/2” wide, would that be that I would need the 1/2” FNPT Prevost coupler # ISI061203? Thx again!
@@tundrawhisperer4821 Pipe thread sizing is weird--if it's measuring 1/2" OD, it's going to be 1/4" NPT. Unless it's some kind of specialty application, almost all air tool and hose fittings are 1/4" NPT (male or female).
Tundra Whisperer Let me know if this info helps you,
www.pyromation.com/Downloads/Data/NPT_Thread_Chart.pdf
Clovis California or Clovis New Mexico?
Clovis, Ca Why?
I lived in Clovis, New Mexico while stationed in the air force. Clovis is a rare city name. Only 2 in the entire United States
I did not know that, Thanks for sharing!
Noice!!
Thanks Buddy!
Philly Eagles???? Go Pats, oh yea they did!
Yes, born and raised in Philly so I must remain loyal to my home town Eagles!
Cheers,
Ray
I kinda thought you were from the Philly area...maybe over the bridge even! We were down there 22 years and claimed both teams. Except when we played the (as my youngest son called them) seaguls in the super bowl.
Glad to see you are back producing a little. Keep on, keeping on!
Thanks man!
hi ray,
thanks for showing your shop plans. i'd make a design for at least 2000 sqft, but that's my taste. it's almost never snowing in your area. why then would you need a double-slopped roof? are you planning for some ac in your new building?
the current shop where you shot this clip has one big echo in it. would you consider putting cork boards or old canvass or blankets of the walls to deaden the noise?
thank you for the video,
-toly
Hello Toly, I would love to have 2000 sq ft but the wife said no, I was lucky to get 1100! The reason for the roof design is per city code when installing a tile roof, plus everything in Ca now must be able to support solar. Would love A/C but it did not fit the build budget I had to work from but I will be plumbing for it! We will have to deal with echo's for now since all funds are going to the new building, this garage will be for parking vehicles only once the shop is complete!
Best Regards Buddy!
hi ray, and thank you for the reply.
yes, brother, the wife is an irresistible force to reckon with. i've got one in '07, -- so i, too, know what it is.
i am in ca, also. my shop is next to the cow palace, if you know where it is. fortunately, the city does not "emperat omnis", and plenty of stuff is left for owner's discretion.
btw, the photovoltaic cells on the roof has been arranged for a variance -- for the flat roof. i am talking of my neighbor's.
wishing you every great success with your plans!
hope to meet you some day,
-toly
Hello Toly, Yes I do know where the Cow Palace is, I spent many months in that area for work in the late 80's, I did not realize you are a car drive away! I am finding out very quickly that this city has become very strict in building codes, and can understand wanting a safe and nice looking building but the fees are crazy expensive, then your taxed on it every year after!
For sure will have to get together sometime!
Take care buddy!
Ray
Your better off using tape and thread sealant, and with both your not supposed to start at the very end, been using both for 25 years, never once have I had any chunks of either in the system. Don't believe everything you read or hear on the net!!!
Thanks for the advise, I have learned since this video that it is best to use both tape and sealant on air fittings. Coming from the automotive world it was always a big no-no to use tape on fuel fittings. Thanks for tuning in, Best Regards, Ray
Wtf steve wilkos?
Oh Yea, Steve could be my twin and I was a bouncer like Steve back in the day but unfortunately not on a reality show! Thanks for your comments and for tuning in! Best Regards, Ray
Way too much talk.
Too much, too little, can't make everyone happy! Try the right arrow key to fast forward next time, Thanks for tuning in!