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The fact that Deere is horrible on the larger tractor spectrum for treating farmers and just outsourced their smaller tractors to overseas makes me hate the whole brand. That 'Deere' pride is akin to Apple and Tesla fandom. Such a shame to see a once king of that industry just get compalcent and enjoy the good easy coasting times corporately from being the supreme king once.
Despite being a big fan of the 1025R I really feel once you leave the subcompact range there is no comparison. I just feel you get a lot more for the money with Kubota. I wouldn't even consider a 2032R/2038R when for less money I could get a standard L which is a far more capable tractor. I know one is considered economy and the other deluxe but I just couldn't justify it. If for some reason I was comparing the 2032 and the LX3310 it would again be a no brainer for the 3 range transmission. Things may tip back towards the Deere once you get to the 4 series and above but I have no experience there so I can't really comment on it. All that said I don't think any tractors from either brand are bad (now that Kubota dropped the 3350). It's all about what's important to you.
Excellent assessment Courtney. I believe it was fairly done. Because of the stiff competition that each presents to the other these types of comparisons will sway one way and then the other. Both are at the top of the compact & sub compact market so it is hard to say your going to be a looser one way or another. With Kubota coming out the winner in the long run every time.... LOL,,, Yea I'm Orange........
@@GoodWorksTractors This time around... That is exactly what I meant by they will push each other back and forth where each one has an edge at a certain time but then the other will up it's game and it will swing back. That is what good competition does for any company. Because of that you really won't go wrong no matter which you buy. I'm still orange though.
Last year I bought a L3560LE over a 3R. My reasoning was you can put a LA805 loader on a 3560. It has a lift capacity of 1700 lbs, if I remember right the John Deere was closer to 1200 lbs. The 6 range HST plus is also awesome. The Kubota fuel tanks are below the tractor, no lifting cans over the hood. The big bonus for the L3560 is the Limited Edition drops the price by almost 3k.
The 2 speed HST would be a deal killer for me on any of the Deere. I rarely use High on my Kubota, with medium being the most used, and low being great for heavy pushing/pulling. Great video as always Courtney!
I have a two speed hst, in a sub compact you would be surprised how rarely I wish for a medium range. High for light loader work, mowing and lighter snow removal, low for earth work and heavy loader work. On the farm the L series kubota we have almost always stays in mid range aside from driving out to the field, and low range for dirt work, rarely ever use high, same concept. I guess you just get used to what you have per unit.
Im with you there. I use all three ranges on my b2630 regularly. I wouldnt go without any of them. I operated a 2 series not long ago. I cant remember exactly what it was. I think 2025. I was not impressed compared to my b2630. The two range trans was not ideal, the operator station was small and the bucket control was very poor.
I know at least 10 people with several thousand hours on small Kubota tractors mowers etc. with almost zero issues. I know at least five people that purchased small John Deere tractors and had problems with them ontop of being completely unhappy with their purchase. That being said I would and have been a Kubota guy with zero regrets to date👍. I’m sure someone else has a different experience I myself honestly wouldn’t consider a John Deere under 100 horsepower, their Chinese cheap built with bad quality control
I think of the hundred or so videos on tractors I’ve seen yours are always the best. I feel with you I’m getting an honest unbiased opinion. Great knowledge and a big help. I even called you once and got some great advice. Thanks for all you do for us.
I have a 2024 JD 2032r and it's great. The 2 pedal hydro is what makes the JD better than the 1 treadle pedal 'Bota, IMO. I also really like the looks of the Massey's! JD dealer is 6 miles away and no MF dealers even close. JD's do hold their value well when selling or trading. Keep that in mind before deciding.
Great video. Based on what you said and my personal experience (1300+ hour seat time with Kubota L-series), the 3038 must be popular because of the strength of the JD name and paint color. Between the non-removeable loader, the 2 range hydro, the proprietary quick-attach and the 2 pedal transmission, the JD is a non-starter for me. I grew up in a sea of John Deere real "farm" tractors and the iconic green/yellow would look great on my farm, but my Kubota L3901HST is much more capable. And YES, I love the treadle.....the JD 2 pedal tranny is awkward for me!!
The whole "proprietary quick attach" is a dumb argument at this point. On the smaller tractors it is much better than the ssqa without question. Anybody that sells front attachments makes and sells the john deere style. Everything else us on point tho
Prefer the treadle, prefer SSQA, prefer a cab on a 2 series size so I’m in a Kubota. Grew up on Green, currently on Orange and will be for the foreseeable future. Don’t think you can go wrong with either, it’s all about preference buy what you prefer
I own a kubota bx 23 s. I find the quick attachments very quick and easy to switch out. I would like the more lift capacity which the deere has but I have owned my kubota for 2 years and it seems to be very well made and reliable
I had a 1025r and currently have a 2025r. I don’t regret my decision. It is more expensive but I feel it’s almost justified. You do get a bigger rearend with the 2025r along with a slightly bigger hydro pump. There are other aspects to a tractor that people forget. The 2025r weighs almost 400 pounds more than a 1025r and is about 7” longer. I noticed the extra weight digging into a pile of gravel. And JD fit and Finnish is so much better…my buddy has a Kubota b2601…20k dollar tractor and kubota can’t put a digital hour meter on?? My seat is nicer and comes with a bucket level indicator. The kubota doesn’t. The 2025r also has all the same quick disconnect stuff as the 1025r.
The 2025 r is a tiney turd for a old homeowner with a small yard. I have a mower for the grass and a mx 6000 for a tractor big difference folks and very small difference in price
I have a l3560 and I never use my heel to run in reverse. I just move my foot back and press down with my toe. For me it works the same as it would on a JD, but instead of moving my foot right or left it is forwards or back. This makes backing up really comfortable if I turn and look over my right shoulder, because my foot is next to the seat and not stretched out.
Interesting comparisons to be sure. So many choices just between two brands! I have a feeling most people that hate the treadle pedal have never even tried it or hardly spent any extended time using one. Personally I have spent a good amount of time on a twin pedal and it was easy to use. But I’ll take the treadle pedal over the twin. I can’t imagine anything being more natural and easier than simply rocking your ankle forward or backward. I’m certain that exact same motion happens when one walks. I found it is easier to finesse small movements changing direction with the treadle. Of course there will be someone who spent years with the treadle and hated it.. ok. Obviously it boils down to personal preference. If the treadle pedal was that bad, Kubota would have canned it years ago.
Pretty good comparison. When I was looking at JD vs Kubota vs others, I choose the 4066R for a couple of reasons, 1: Kubota Australia are still only offering the L5740(bit out of date now). 2: the 4R is available here with EH 3point Control and EH Joystick, 3: Front PTO and 3point are a factory fit option vs Kubota's aftermarket solution 4: most Importantly the Dealer was alot better, the local JD dealer had been in business since the 70's with a team that had been with them since the beginning in some instances with a full workshop, parts, and field service crew vs the local Kubota dealer who has been in business since 2015 and one mechanic covering off both field service/ workshop and a sales guy that also worked the parts counter who doesn't have a great reputation.
I also had a Kabota dealer with a bad reputation , but a couple of good ones a good ways off . The JD is great . Although one further away not so good . So that was part of my decision to buy a 4044m . Honestly if that deal didn't come along just at the right time I would've liked a a 4066r or the L series limited better . Except for a little worry about maneuvering in some thick stuff I have to do where I was worried about the cab .
💥 A really nice comparison here. The Kubota BX needs some key improvements! I just don’t see that happening anytime soon. Maybe I’ll go green next time. *Keep on tractoring!*
I really enjoy your videos, great comparison. Being "old school", I really love my 2021 JD 3035D. Yep. Gear shift. If course, my JD lawnmower is hydro, so I do see the advantages. I used to work in a JD plant and can vouch for the sheer determination they have for quality. Paint, finish, heavy-dutiness sold me on them. On my farm, the tractor gets used a lot and I appreciate all of your videos, especially about attachments. Keep up the good work, man!
MSL has really become less appealing to me since putting a lot of time on my 4720 on the property. I'm not sure I'd get it again, at least not for out there. Didn't think about the 3d
Good comparisons. I’m a subcompact guy and JD owner. In my opinion the Kubota doesn’t come close to the JD in that category as far as ease of use and capacities except maybe 3 pt lift. Have a couple of friends with orange subs and have used them. They don’t come close especially ease of use. And in my opinion JD beats Kubota as far as looks goes in all categories especially the subs. JD subs look much more substantial. I’m tall and feel funny on the Kubota subs.
Would you consider doing a 3 way comparison between John Deere, Kubota, and Kioti? I am looking at that compact level of the John Deere 2032R/2038R Vs Kubota LX3310 VS kioti ck3510se hst. I would really like to hear your review of the Kioti to try and determine which is the best tractor. If you have already done this review, I apologize for asking again, just point me to the link.
I’ve owned everything from a L series, gen 1 2025r, b2601… the green tractors proprietary implements just piss me off… and their smaller tractors aren’t happy with a backhoe on them. Biggest complaint on Kubotas is that their lineup was confusing to figure out… I will keep my little bx(grass friendly garden tractor) and my L series( is much tougher than the B series) for dragging trees and working hard
My decision process is: 1. listing what capabilities I need, including distance to dealera and comfort/convenience. 2. Finding models that fit without major drawbacks. 3. Comparing prices. Cheers
You forgot to mention the Deere tractors turn sharper in every class. Also, the 4R has an economy PTO, self leveling loader and the drivetrain is much more heavy duty (planetary final drive). Hydraulic flow is also higher on every JD mode vs Kubota.
I've never had a 4r with ePTO. Turning radius really only matters to me on a tractor I'm mowing with, JD does win there. Kubota's loader control makes it very easy to do 2 functions at one. I am undecided on MSL. Thanks for watching!
It’s an option that’s been available since 2011. I have several hundred hours on a 4520 with it. Full 540 PTO at 1800rpm. Works great for rototilling and mowing. Turning radius is huge when working in tight areas; especially doing loader work. MSL is great, and the smaller Deere loaders with it aren’t perfect, but they can lift way more than the competition.
@@Formulabruce Haha, I hear ya. However, a small parking lot is still a parking lot. Not a driveway. I've had just about every modern model in my small parking lot at my shop. The only way I can think of to get a real significant difference in turning radius is by going smaller. You could call the flat area at the top of my driveway at home a small parking lot I suppose. In that case, the 1025r still isn't close to nimble enough to turn around easily in my drive even though it has a tigher turning radius than the BX. Nothing beat the X739 AWS I had for my drive.
@@mrdeereford Yeah, I'm sure it's nice, but my point was just that ePTO is not popular, I've had many 4 Series machines and never had it on there. I liked MSL at my shop for moving pallets. I wish I didn't have it out at my property. That's why I'm undecided on it.
Great video Courtney, I'm sure you'll ruffle some feathers but great info to get out there. I compared the 3e and standard L when I was tractor shopping and came to the same conclusion as you. Additional data points I found were important were lift height/capacity of the loader, material choice of the transmission and front axle size/construction
I probably wouldn’t buy a Kubota because I hate treadle pedals. John Deere’s hitch control is friggin awesome. John Deere needs to really improve their hydraulic systems. It’s hard, but not impossible, to curl/dump your bucket while raising/lowering your booms. I don’t have any experience with kubota, I wouldn’t mind trying one out but I’m pretty comfortable with Deere.
Interesting video. You're probably right about the 2025R vs B2601 for value for money. Personally I've got a Gen 2 2025R TLB on a small hobby farm with lots of tight spaces and a bigger tractor wouldn't have suited the property. It is my very first tractor and the capabilities of the 1025R would have suited my needs, but the ground clearance alone was a big problem as we have overgrown fields and other rough terrain that I need that clearance for. The 2025R is just a little bit bigger, taller, heavier and more capable. I can fill the bucket to the brim with rocks or gravel and lift it effortlessly and I think most people overestimate how much weight they really need to lift when looking at specs. In the real world the loader lift capacity has never been a problem for me. The price difference between the 1025R and the 2025R was only around $3000 Canadian while the difference between the 1025R and 2032R was closer to $12,000 CAD, or $8,000 more than the 2025R. Also the nearest Kubota dealer is 3 hours away and I have a Deere dealer within walking distance of my house so it was a big deciding factor even though it's a very extreme case. Anyway, always listen to your customers needs because the 2025R may be the perfect machine for them if they just need a little bit more over a 1025R because the small price difference is worth it in my opinion.
I truly believe 1-3 series john deere are beat by kubota. Once you get to 4 series the equal kubota is also a great tractor. At that point its down to the dealer. Especially on the small tractors john deere having the aluminum transaxle and the steering hanging down is a no go for me. I have a 2006 b2630 its been flawless for all these years. I would buy it or similar again. The 1025 and 2025 have a really sloppy loader valve. I have heard many others mention the lack of control. I have precise loader valve on mine and every other kubota iv been around. The kubota loader is so easy to remove, i cant really see how a quick attach could he any faster. Same with the mower deck. Its a 5 minute job. I have my name on a 4066r with a cab that doesn’t have a build date yet. Im buying it for the dealer and i truly think the l6060 and the 4066 is so close that i want to buy into the larger john deere dealer support near me
Love the cut to the chase review. I'm still not 100% sure which I want. Kinda want something American. I honestly don't care where they build them, I want to support American companies. I'm in Tennessee and the Kubota is a lot cheaper. They have a dealer close by in Georgia that offers packages that even includes a trailer.
Your view on the 1025 is a joke. The model you showed has a Deere proprietary quick coupler which locks you into only being able to buy the overpriced Deere implements for the loader, also to remove the Kubota loader you don’t have to get off the seat!! Smfh. I figured this video would go green by the color of hat you wore.
Kubota won more rounds than John Deere. Deere attachments cost the same as SSQA. Anything else you’d like to show your ignorance about or is that enough for today?
Hey thanks for the video. I ordered a kabota bx23s last November and it's finally being delivered tomorrow. I was a little torn between it and the 1025r. I ended up going with the kabota mainly do to price. The kabota was about $23k and the 1025r was at 28k. Plus I was able to get 84 month 0% financing. Also kabotas loader accepts universal quick connect skidsteer attachments. Just my 2 cents worth.
When these guys compare the Kubota "BX" Line to the JD 1025R...... They ALWAYS never compare them on price..... as You stated, the JD 1025R w/hoe costs $28K Compared to the Kubota BX23s costs $23K that is a whole lot of difference in price!!!! You made a wise decision buying the BX23s If these guys are going to compare compact tractors, they need to put the JD 1025R up against the Kubota B2301...... and then lets see witch one comes out on top !
Good reviews. I do think it makes a difference how you get the tractor configured and how you plan to use it. It is most definitely a point in the LX3310's favor that it has an option for a cab, but if you don't get it with a cab does it still win? The drive over mower deck isn't just for the 1 series John Deere's. The 2's and 3's have them as well. If you don't plan on using the MMM then it isn't a point for JD, if you do then it is. When I can afford it I would really like to step up from the 1025R and am trying to decide between the LX 3310 and the 2032R/2038R. A point for me to consider that may not apply to everyone is that since I already have a 1025R I can keep my pallet forks, stump bucket and grapple if I stay with JD, if I got the Kubota I would have to buy all those again.
@@GoodWorksTractors Yeah, I've been subscribed and watching your videos for a few years now. I mostly just wanted to comment to add my two cents to comment section. There is usually lots of good points brought up by your viewers. Thanks for the great content.
The treadle direction control was a total deal breaker for me. I borrowed my neighbors small Kubota to spread a load of shell rock on my drive way. I am 70 and my leg got very tired holding my foot up on it. When I went to buy my own small tractor I did not even consider getting a Kubota, I love my new JD 1023E. The two speed transmission is good enough. Most of the time I only need low. The only time I use high is when I am driving from one end of my property to the other. Shifting to high is easy and only takes a second.
I really enjoy all your videos. I am still loving my 5115M thanks again. She now has almost 300 hours on her. I have had all the Deere sizes/series 1-5 series . I do agree the 2025R is pretty much a 1.5 series or in my opinion as to why I own a 2025R today, is that it is really the perfect 1025R. Everything I disliked about my 1025R was pretty much resolved with the 2025R. Originally I had traded my 1025R for a 2038R. Which at that time I also had a 3039R which I later traded that 3039R to you for the 4720 you have now. The whole issue with the large frame 2 series is that it is the same physical size as a 3R, the 2038R has a wheelbase that is only 1/2 shorter then a 3039R. The 3Rs were so much more capable then the large frame 2R. Plus the 2038R really would not fit anywhere I could not get my 3R into, so I lost my compact size and didn't gain all that much capability over the 1R . Later I found that the 2025R really solved all the complaints I had with both the 1025R and the 2038R. I now with the 2025R have the smaller size of the 1 series yet I have ground clearance that is sorry missing from the 1R. The 2025R has a much smoother ride better ergonomics , it is more stable and has far better ground clearance then the 1025R. IMO, the 2025R is the perfect 1 series tractor, or Subcompact tractor. Which Deere does class the 2025R as a subcompact same as the 1025R. I agree if your needing something more in line with the large frame 2Rs capability the 2038R is a good machine, might even be better to look at the 3R family which does get the 3 range hydro trans and is the same physical size as the 2038R, with even more lift capacity . I am not sure, but I have always had the feeling these manufactures like to keep the water a little muddy when it comes to comparison of one brands models to another, meaning they don't quite line up perfectly with each other on purpose. That way one can say they are better then the other for this or that reason.
Oh how I miss the 5115! This is a perfect case of there being the right tractor for everyone. That said, you did more trial and error than most, but you've now got a ton of experience to share because of it. Great info, say hi to Big Green for me!
@@GoodWorksTractors Will do. Who knows maybe someday I will sell her back to you. Big maybe on that one, since I do love both my 5115Ms. Something you might like if your still keeping your 4720, I fell in love with that LSS system on the 5115M that I recently added LSS to my 4066R along with a self leveling loader that I really missed after trading that 4720 back to you since it had the MSL. LSS is just an incredible feature. I know your like me, and love having all the features, LSS is one feature that if you have never experienced it, you should really try it. The 5115M I bought from you came with it my other 5115M does not have it, and the difference between them is night and day when it comes to loader work, also field work with the loader still on, the LSS really smooths out the ride a lot.
You hit the nail on the head. I left a comment earlier kind of saying what you were saying but not as in depth. I also had a 1025r and traded up to a 2025r. I completely agree that it might be a little ambitious to call it a 2 series but I feel like it’s the perfect tractor. It’s like a bigger slightly more capable 1025r yet still being relatively compact. I think people overlook it because it kind of settles through the cracks but I think it’s just about perfect.
I’d have to agree with everything in this video. Iv only owned kubota’s. Currently own a bx25d and a mx6000. always wanted a John Deere. The 1025r stomps the BX, John Deere makes such a nice tractor, I just can’t get past the fact of the 2 range transmission. I looked at the 4052r, extremely nice tractor! Kubota was just a little cheaper and the dealership was closer and I already had a couple skid steer attachments. I will own a John Deere one day
Have you driven a John Deere? I rarely use high on my 1023E, low is fast enough. Working in my garden or when mowing I just leave it in low. A few times when I was digging dirt on side of my property to fill in a low spot on the other side I was shifting into high to run over the low spot but the tractor plenty of torque in high to creep if you need to and it takes just a second to shift back to low to load the bucket.
Just had a guy from K7bota dealer, over to give me the options, price on the B2301 and the LX2610. Almost felt off my chair. The B2301, TBLM. 74 months 0% + Ins. $46,400.00.😮 WTH! A small tractor, 21hp, lift capability 600lb on pins. Man! No way. I said about cash deal? He said we take $500 off! Realy?
As a Gen2 2025R owner, for reference, here is a list of differences between the machine and a 1025R. Differences only between the 2025R and 1025R include: - Increased ground clearance - Increased loader lift capacity - Increased 3 pt lift capacity - Higher maximum ground speed in Low and High - Increased hydraulic performance - More spacious-feeling (for me) driver cockpit area - Increased overall length - Large difference in base weight - Completely different larger wheels and tires which give the tractor very different performance characteristics on different terrain types. - Tires, when filled if desired, add additional hundreds of pounds of weight difference which further affects stability and performance at work I think I got most everything. I chose the 2025R after almost purchasing a 1025 and could not be happier. It may or may not "beat" the comparable Kubota, but it seems to justify its premium over the 1025R, in my opinion. Hopefully that is helpful.
You are a “facts” guy,no “BS” I can TRUST you! I have a 1/2 acre lot,BUT WE,(the Neighbors) and I live on a dead end 1/2 mile street that we maintain,with Crushed Lime stone. Costs will be shared by everyone.So I’m looking for a JD 1025R,with a FE Loader,with a HIBBEES ?? Hydraulic Box Blade (IS it also a SOD BUSTER for gardens?? THOUGHTS??
Deciding factor for me came down to $$$$. An equivalent to the L4060 HSTC is the 4 series JD, which priced it out of the market. Even the 3R series that matched HP wise was priced too high, for what turned out to be less tractor, in both size and weight. The Pedals are what you are used to, going to the JD would be difficult because I am used to the treadle on the B2410. I have issues driving the X500 due to the pedal layout and have to look down to see what the heck I am doing when I want to back up. Or I hit the reverse when I want to go forward, and anyone who has one knows what happens to the mower deck when you go backwards instead of forwards., Stop, Reset, start over.
the 2025r is a 1025r on steroids, its an all round bigger machine. the added weight, the stouter industrial tires and higher GPM pump with hydraulic oil cooler which most other brands don't even have more then justify its price increase. simply put Deere fit and Finnish is un matched. also Kubota's HST rocker pedal just plain sucks
Been using deere for 20 years Quality is gone. No matter the model of mower or tractor. Owning a small landscaping company , I have noticed over the years, they just aren't made to last. Everything looks heavy duty, but just outside of warranty all kinds of expensive steel parts wear and fall apart, and I use the mid- high level gear so as to not destroy people's property with overly heavy machines... I think Ill be going with Kubota in the future.
I own a JD 4052M and lately I’m very disappointed not with the tractor but in general with JD service. Every time you need an attachment I feel they are doing me a favor. If you need service ( I own several JD PRODUCTS) they take your machine, and later realize it takes 8 weeks to get a part. They can easily leave the machine w you, order the part and, when arrives, work on what is necessary. Is there the same feeling around?? Is Kubota service better?? I do believe that service has to be a great part of the decision…
I really appreciate the effort you put into these videos Courtney . For those of us who are coming back into the tractor thing after many years , it's so helpful to be able to find answers .
Don't care which! Here in the United States you don't get the additional features that are standard overseas! Additional hydraulics , quick attachments, no Def Or emissions crap 🙄, higher hydraulics power!
I assumed the tractors were about the same. But after watching this. Not so much. The rocker footpedeal system looks dumb. My dad's atv had that. Not a natural movement of your foot. Didn't like it. If a person was going to spend about the same money on a tractor. One would definitely go with the John Deere. Even a few more grand. The john deere would be a better way to go. Resale value. The john deere would hold its value much better. My neighbor had a Kubota tractor. Din't run as smooth as a John deere. Ended up getting rid of the Kubota and going with a Deere. Happy with it. Zero turn mowers probably not much different between the two I would guess.
I looked at a new 3025e when shopping for tractors. I really wanted to like it, it was a handsome little tractor but was easily out classed by the Kubota L2501 and Kioti Ck2610. The 2 speed hst, aluminum trans housing, proprietary attachments, no fuel gauge on dash, the basic riding mower style sprung seat, loader controls on loader, exposed cast frame through deck etc was a deal breaker. It also had the lowest lift capacities and was the most expensive of the three. The Kioti is what we ended up buying
I have a older 2025r used to have a 1025 before but also had a older 650jd 1025 hands down wins over box older 2025 vs 2601 is a toss up for me but a lx or 2 series I think kabota for 3 speed and cad also 3e or 3r vs standard l or grand l kobota wins
Started with compacts with kioti. Both were fantastic hard working and dependable. Then went to Kubota. Both of those were great engine wise but trans and hydraulics stalled easily and never got used to the treadle peddle. Then went to John Deere. 2305 first and now a 1025r. No issues with the 2305. 1025r has/had a few issues (hydraulic leaks, position control failure and seat suspension breakage to name a few. Pretty sure next and maybe last will be a Kioti again.
Man if the 2601 beats the 2025, then the lx2610 must just annihilate it. I know, different class of tractor, but what else do you compare the 2610 to? The factory cab option with the simple 26 horse engine is what drew us to and led us to purchase a B2650. JD just didn’t have anything comparable. My biggest beef with it is the hydrostatic whine. In our 3rd winter now, for my purposes it has been nearly ideal.
Also, the treddle pedal is stupid, but I’ve gotten perfectly comfortable with its operation. My biggest irritation with it is I can’t use that floorboard space for chain, strap, etc., or a kid standing location. I know I know, not safe, blah blah ;)
One thing I like about the pedals on the kubota is when I’m doing stuff with the back I don’t have to look forward to make sure I don’t hit the wrong pedal like I would on the John Deere so I can keep looking at the implements and make sure nothing happens
When I was looking at the 3E and standard L series I went in leaning heavily toward John Deere. I wanted that green paint bad. However, when I started comparing features, design, capabilities, and construction I was very disappointed with what I found with the 3E. I would have to go to the 3R and a higher cost even to come close to match the L. I went with a L3301 Kubota and I am very pleased with it. Great video.
Thanks for your informative video’s I appreciate your help and advice. I am a proud owner of a new MX6000 open station and have a backhoe on order. I am considering having one or two remotes added when the backhoe is installed. I may get a 12 foot batwing in the future. I wanted your opinion as I don’t know if there’s different types for different applications , if so what would you recommend. I just thought since they will have to run hydraulics to the backhoe it would be a good time for the remotes to be installed. Thanks for any information on this .
The Kubota hydraulic system is low volume, low pressure. All remotes,&backhoe hydraulic flow is further restricted through the loader control valve ( quit good), but restrictive plumbing---too small of hoses & fittings --- They cheeped out! My Kubota Mx5200 got revamped (by me) ,with bigger hoses& fittings for a 40% improvement. Now the backhoe is just slow, previously it was almost uncappable. When it was "New" it was set up for amitures, with only two &1/2 functions at once for the backhoe & was burning the fluids, things got HOT after 45 minutes. The backhoe All ways had power just NO Speed. Just don't like screaming 54hp for just 13hp of hydraulic power--they NEED A BIGGER Pump. Happy safe tractoring Sir.
My local Tri-County equipment in Sandusky has a John Deere 4066M heavy duty I went and looked at it it seems like a nice tractor and I do like the added options however they're asking 51,300 for it it's a lot of money anytime I've looked kubota's are cheaper
The revised treadle pedal in my new L3560 HSTC is as easy to operate as was the two pedal system in my previous JD 2032r. These obviously are not Apple to Apple tractors, but Orange is so much better than Green in so many ways. Just compare a JD 3 series with L3560 each with a front mount snowblower …. no comparison!
It's a lot of data and fun comparing these... It would be good for another video to group tractors by how they're best used next... For example, "Small homestead/landscaper machines where flexibility with weight and smaller frame size is best", "Middle farm and ranch machines heavy enough for ground work/round bales", "Big farm machines with the heavy weight and heavy price tag to go with it".
I have a B 3350. I like the HP but hate the regeneration. I find when I turn around to face rear I most often hit the steering height adjustment lever…the placement is hazardous. One issue Kubota has note changed is the placement of the battery ground which is outside on the lower front frame. If there is a lot of rain and after the winter the threads become rusted breaking the circuit. Placement inside the hood would be better. The tractor feels tipsy on a hill due to its higher center of gravity as compared to my previous B 3029.
You will like the HVAC vents around the steering column or dash. just remember this "heat to the feet, air to the hair". if you can get the hot air to your feet you will be more comfortable and if you can get told air around your face, you will be more comfortable.
The one thing that you did not mention in the JD 4series vs MX and even the 4R vs Grand L was the Hitch Assist on the Heavy Duty models and the R series. Extremely nice when hooking up a heavy implement on uneven ground, not having to go back and forth to the operator station.
i have a bx23s love . i have arm that i can work with and find deck to be just a little work . but with the back hoe awe with one seat, i can do a lot without having to change . one another is the difference in price . that green paint is very costly
Wow what a video, I'm exhausted after viewing this one. You did a great job and really know your tractors. I always enjoy the videos that you do, thanks.
Nicely done! Glad you incorporated the last set of utilities. I was leaning towards the Kubota. The jump seat aspect just sold me as I hadn’t considered the kids coming along.
The John Deere dealer was the first place I went when I started looking and was happy with what I saw until the visit to the Kubota dealer down the road.
I thought the 2038 had a bigger frame than the 2025, Does that mean the 2032 is also in the same camp with the bigger frame identical to the 2038 frame? Thanks
For me "Hateful John" is a 'no buy'! JD has been ACTIVELY campaigning AGAINST "right to repair". In other words, they don't want YOU - the person who bought the machine - to be legally be able to repair your own tractor that you spend thousands of dollar for. I will NOT buy a JD for that reason alone. I don't want them using my money against me.
that's really only for the big Deeres 6 series up tractors and combines and rightfully so to JD has proprietary software and programs. but these little machines your more then welcome to work on them Deere doesn't care what you do with it. the service manuals are posted online.
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The fact that Deere is horrible on the larger tractor spectrum for treating farmers and just outsourced their smaller tractors to overseas makes me hate the whole brand. That 'Deere' pride is akin to Apple and Tesla fandom. Such a shame to see a once king of that industry just get compalcent and enjoy the good easy coasting times corporately from being the supreme king once.
Despite being a big fan of the 1025R I really feel once you leave the subcompact range there is no comparison. I just feel you get a lot more for the money with Kubota. I wouldn't even consider a 2032R/2038R when for less money I could get a standard L which is a far more capable tractor. I know one is considered economy and the other deluxe but I just couldn't justify it. If for some reason I was comparing the 2032 and the LX3310 it would again be a no brainer for the 3 range transmission.
Things may tip back towards the Deere once you get to the 4 series and above but I have no experience there so I can't really comment on it.
All that said I don't think any tractors from either brand are bad (now that Kubota dropped the 3350). It's all about what's important to you.
To me the biggest reason to go with the 1025r over the bx is the extra lift capacity. Other than that I like the bx alot more.
Excellent assessment Courtney. I believe it was fairly done. Because of the stiff competition that each presents to the other these types of comparisons will sway one way and then the other. Both are at the top of the compact & sub compact market so it is hard to say your going to be a looser one way or another. With Kubota coming out the winner in the long run every time.... LOL,,, Yea I'm Orange........
Haha, orange did win a good amount this time around!
@@GoodWorksTractors This time around... That is exactly what I meant by they will push each other back and forth where each one has an edge at a certain time but then the other will up it's game and it will swing back. That is what good competition does for any company. Because of that you really won't go wrong no matter which you buy. I'm still orange though.
I personally take the 2032r over the lx3310 because they are much easier to control and all knobs and joysticks are more in reach and comfortable
Last year I bought a L3560LE over a 3R. My reasoning was you can put a LA805 loader on a 3560. It has a lift capacity of 1700 lbs, if I remember right the John Deere was closer to 1200 lbs. The 6 range HST plus is also awesome. The Kubota fuel tanks are below the tractor, no lifting cans over the hood. The big bonus for the L3560 is the Limited Edition drops the price by almost 3k.
The 2 speed HST would be a deal killer for me on any of the Deere. I rarely use High on my Kubota, with medium being the most used, and low being great for heavy pushing/pulling. Great video as always Courtney!
I have a two speed hst, in a sub compact you would be surprised how rarely I wish for a medium range. High for light loader work, mowing and lighter snow removal, low for earth work and heavy loader work.
On the farm the L series kubota we have almost always stays in mid range aside from driving out to the field, and low range for dirt work, rarely ever use high, same concept. I guess you just get used to what you have per unit.
I was just on my 1025r wishing I had the Medium range 🤣
@@GoodWorksTractors it's probably one of those things you don't miss until you don't have it available...lol
Im with you there. I use all three ranges on my b2630 regularly. I wouldnt go without any of them. I operated a 2 series not long ago. I cant remember exactly what it was. I think 2025. I was not impressed compared to my b2630. The two range trans was not ideal, the operator station was small and the bucket control was very poor.
@3:31 Is that a structural crack as evidenced by rust? Looks like a failed cold weld.
So I have owned all of these for many years. Go Kubota or bobcat! Deer is twice the cost and if you can farm you don’t need all the bs.
I know at least 10 people with several thousand hours on small Kubota tractors mowers etc. with almost zero issues. I know at least five people that purchased small John Deere tractors and had problems with them ontop of being completely unhappy with their purchase. That being said I would and have been a Kubota guy with zero regrets to date👍. I’m sure someone else has a different experience I myself honestly wouldn’t consider a John Deere under 100 horsepower, their Chinese cheap built with bad quality control
A lot of disgusting Indian made parts
I think of the hundred or so videos on tractors I’ve seen yours are always the best. I feel with you I’m getting an honest unbiased opinion. Great knowledge and a big help. I even called you once and got some great advice.
Thanks for all you do for us.
Thanks for the nice comment and for watching along!
The orange apple for me. Kubota. Yes…!
I have a 2024 JD 2032r and it's great. The 2 pedal hydro is what makes the JD better than the 1 treadle pedal 'Bota, IMO. I also really like the looks of the Massey's! JD dealer is 6 miles away and no MF dealers even close. JD's do hold their value well when selling or trading. Keep that in mind before deciding.
Great video. Based on what you said and my personal experience (1300+ hour seat time with Kubota L-series), the 3038 must be popular because of the strength of the JD name and paint color. Between the non-removeable loader, the 2 range hydro, the proprietary quick-attach and the 2 pedal transmission, the JD is a non-starter for me. I grew up in a sea of John Deere real "farm" tractors and the iconic green/yellow would look great on my farm, but my Kubota L3901HST is much more capable. And YES, I love the treadle.....the JD 2 pedal tranny is awkward for me!!
Good stuff, hard to argue!
The whole "proprietary quick attach" is a dumb argument at this point. On the smaller tractors it is much better than the ssqa without question.
Anybody that sells front attachments makes and sells the john deere style.
Everything else us on point tho
@@Will-tm5bj Yeah, proprietary is a non-starter. I made a video about it specifically. ua-cam.com/video/kTCOf4bp47o/v-deo.html
Prefer the treadle, prefer SSQA, prefer a cab on a 2 series size so I’m in a Kubota. Grew up on Green, currently on Orange and will be for the foreseeable future. Don’t think you can go wrong with either, it’s all about preference buy what you prefer
I own a kubota bx 23 s. I find the quick attachments very quick and easy to switch out. I would like the more lift capacity which the deere has but I have owned my kubota for 2 years and it seems to be very well made and reliable
Orange vs Green, I foresee about 50,000 comments incoming!! lol
Haha, maybe so! 🤣
I had a 1025r and currently have a 2025r. I don’t regret my decision. It is more expensive but I feel it’s almost justified. You do get a bigger rearend with the 2025r along with a slightly bigger hydro pump. There are other aspects to a tractor that people forget. The 2025r weighs almost 400 pounds more than a 1025r and is about 7” longer. I noticed the extra weight digging into a pile of gravel. And JD fit and Finnish is so much better…my buddy has a Kubota b2601…20k dollar tractor and kubota can’t put a digital hour meter on?? My seat is nicer and comes with a bucket level indicator. The kubota doesn’t. The 2025r also has all the same quick disconnect stuff as the 1025r.
Good perspective, thanks for sharing!
The 2025 r is a tiney turd for a old homeowner with a small yard. I have a mower for the grass and a mx 6000 for a tractor big difference folks and very small difference in price
I have a l3560 and I never use my heel to run in reverse. I just move my foot back and press down with my toe. For me it works the same as it would on a JD, but instead of moving my foot right or left it is forwards or back. This makes backing up really comfortable if I turn and look over my right shoulder, because my foot is next to the seat and not stretched out.
I've own both, deere and kubota. Kubota makes a better utility tractor and deere make a better big farm tractor. That's just my opinion
Interesting comparisons to be sure. So many choices just between two brands! I have a feeling most people that hate the treadle pedal have never even tried it or hardly spent any extended time using one. Personally I have spent a good amount of time on a twin pedal and it was easy to use. But I’ll take the treadle pedal over the twin. I can’t imagine anything being more natural and easier than simply rocking your ankle forward or backward. I’m certain that exact same motion happens when one walks. I found it is easier to finesse small movements changing direction with the treadle.
Of course there will be someone who spent years with the treadle and hated it.. ok. Obviously it boils down to personal preference. If the treadle pedal was that bad, Kubota would have canned it years ago.
Was never a big fan of John Deere old or new.... I will go with my orange be it a Kubota or a Allis Chalmers
Pretty good comparison. When I was looking at JD vs Kubota vs others, I choose the 4066R for a couple of reasons, 1: Kubota Australia are still only offering the L5740(bit out of date now). 2: the 4R is available here with EH 3point Control and EH Joystick, 3: Front PTO and 3point are a factory fit option vs Kubota's aftermarket solution 4: most Importantly the Dealer was alot better, the local JD dealer had been in business since the 70's with a team that had been with them since the beginning in some instances with a full workshop, parts, and field service crew vs the local Kubota dealer who has been in business since 2015 and one mechanic covering off both field service/ workshop and a sales guy that also worked the parts counter who doesn't have a great reputation.
Dealer support can make a huge difference, thanks as always Michael!
I also had a Kabota dealer with a bad reputation , but a couple of good ones a good ways off . The JD is great . Although one further away not so good . So that was part of my decision to buy a 4044m . Honestly if that deal didn't come along just at the right time I would've liked a a 4066r or the L series limited better . Except for a little worry about maneuvering in some thick stuff I have to do where I was worried about the cab .
💥 A really nice comparison here. The Kubota BX needs some key improvements! I just don’t see that happening anytime soon. Maybe I’ll go green next time.
*Keep on tractoring!*
Haha, no way, you stick to orange. You've got a whole theme going over there!
Well he was hanging out with Tim and Christy at TTWT a whole back so maybe that had an impact on him. LOL 😆
I really enjoy your videos, great comparison. Being "old school", I really love my 2021 JD 3035D. Yep. Gear shift. If course, my JD lawnmower is hydro, so I do see the advantages. I used to work in a JD plant and can vouch for the sheer determination they have for quality. Paint, finish, heavy-dutiness sold me on them. On my farm, the tractor gets used a lot and I appreciate all of your videos, especially about attachments. Keep up the good work, man!
I appreciate it!
Hope that same quality in work carried over seas to India...
For people like me I need shuttle shift . Or the forwards and backwards on the steering column. I can not use the Kubota floor foot .
No "D"? and what of the MSL availability?
MSL has really become less appealing to me since putting a lot of time on my 4720 on the property. I'm not sure I'd get it again, at least not for out there.
Didn't think about the 3d
Good comparisons. I’m a subcompact guy and JD owner. In my opinion the Kubota doesn’t come close to the JD in that category as far as ease of use and capacities except maybe 3 pt lift. Have a couple of friends with orange subs and have used them. They don’t come close especially ease of use. And in my opinion JD beats Kubota as far as looks goes in all categories especially the subs. JD subs look much more substantial. I’m tall and feel funny on the Kubota subs.
Would you consider doing a 3 way comparison between John Deere, Kubota, and Kioti? I am looking at that compact level of the John Deere 2032R/2038R Vs Kubota LX3310 VS kioti ck3510se hst. I would really like to hear your review of the Kioti to try and determine which is the best tractor. If you have already done this review, I apologize for asking again, just point me to the link.
Yes, I'd like to see that too
Haven't done it yet, need to do more videos like that in the future
I’ve owned everything from a L series, gen 1 2025r, b2601… the green tractors proprietary implements just piss me off… and their smaller tractors aren’t happy with a backhoe on them. Biggest complaint on Kubotas is that their lineup was confusing to figure out… I will keep my little bx(grass friendly garden tractor) and my L series( is much tougher than the B series) for dragging trees and working hard
My decision process is: 1. listing what capabilities I need, including distance to dealera and comfort/convenience. 2. Finding models that fit without major drawbacks. 3. Comparing prices. Cheers
I think that's a sounds decision making list.
You forgot to mention the Deere tractors turn sharper in every class. Also, the 4R has an economy PTO, self leveling loader and the drivetrain is much more heavy duty (planetary final drive). Hydraulic flow is also higher on every JD mode vs Kubota.
I've never had a 4r with ePTO. Turning radius really only matters to me on a tractor I'm mowing with, JD does win there. Kubota's loader control makes it very easy to do 2 functions at one. I am undecided on MSL. Thanks for watching!
It’s an option that’s been available since 2011. I have several hundred hours on a 4520 with it. Full 540 PTO at 1800rpm. Works great for rototilling and mowing. Turning radius is huge when working in tight areas; especially doing loader work. MSL is great, and the smaller Deere loaders with it aren’t perfect, but they can lift way more than the competition.
@@GoodWorksTractors Turning radius cleaning small parking lots of snow is huge... ( I know, ya have to have snow, but I do :)
@@Formulabruce Haha, I hear ya. However, a small parking lot is still a parking lot. Not a driveway. I've had just about every modern model in my small parking lot at my shop. The only way I can think of to get a real significant difference in turning radius is by going smaller. You could call the flat area at the top of my driveway at home a small parking lot I suppose. In that case, the 1025r still isn't close to nimble enough to turn around easily in my drive even though it has a tigher turning radius than the BX.
Nothing beat the X739 AWS I had for my drive.
@@mrdeereford Yeah, I'm sure it's nice, but my point was just that ePTO is not popular, I've had many 4 Series machines and never had it on there. I liked MSL at my shop for moving pallets. I wish I didn't have it out at my property. That's why I'm undecided on it.
My tractor (L4701) never shows up in these comparisons. It’s just an odd duck, but a great fit for me.
I kinda forgot all about it! It would fit at home in the 4m/MX comparison...or somewhere around there! 🤣
Great video Courtney, I'm sure you'll ruffle some feathers but great info to get out there. I compared the 3e and standard L when I was tractor shopping and came to the same conclusion as you. Additional data points I found were important were lift height/capacity of the loader, material choice of the transmission and front axle size/construction
Thank you!
Ever Look at the RK Series tractors? like the new RK25?
God is so so good ❤️🙏
I probably wouldn’t buy a Kubota because I hate treadle pedals.
John Deere’s hitch control is friggin awesome.
John Deere needs to really improve their hydraulic systems. It’s hard, but not impossible, to curl/dump your bucket while raising/lowering your booms.
I don’t have any experience with kubota, I wouldn’t mind trying one out but I’m pretty comfortable with Deere.
Yeah, pretty much spot on
Interesting video. You're probably right about the 2025R vs B2601 for value for money. Personally I've got a Gen 2 2025R TLB on a small hobby farm with lots of tight spaces and a bigger tractor wouldn't have suited the property. It is my very first tractor and the capabilities of the 1025R would have suited my needs, but the ground clearance alone was a big problem as we have overgrown fields and other rough terrain that I need that clearance for. The 2025R is just a little bit bigger, taller, heavier and more capable. I can fill the bucket to the brim with rocks or gravel and lift it effortlessly and I think most people overestimate how much weight they really need to lift when looking at specs. In the real world the loader lift capacity has never been a problem for me. The price difference between the 1025R and the 2025R was only around $3000 Canadian while the difference between the 1025R and 2032R was closer to $12,000 CAD, or $8,000 more than the 2025R. Also the nearest Kubota dealer is 3 hours away and I have a Deere dealer within walking distance of my house so it was a big deciding factor even though it's a very extreme case. Anyway, always listen to your customers needs because the 2025R may be the perfect machine for them if they just need a little bit more over a 1025R because the small price difference is worth it in my opinion.
In my opinion the JD fit and finish and paint color retention are superior to any Kubota.
True, Kubota paint is rough. Supposedly better in recent years. That could be because it hasn't sat outside as long!
Supposedly Kubota solved the paint issue about 5 years ago.
I truly believe 1-3 series john deere are beat by kubota. Once you get to 4 series the equal kubota is also a great tractor. At that point its down to the dealer.
Especially on the small tractors john deere having the aluminum transaxle and the steering hanging down is a no go for me.
I have a 2006 b2630 its been flawless for all these years. I would buy it or similar again. The 1025 and 2025 have a really sloppy loader valve. I have heard many others mention the lack of control. I have precise loader valve on mine and every other kubota iv been around.
The kubota loader is so easy to remove, i cant really see how a quick attach could he any faster. Same with the mower deck. Its a 5 minute job.
I have my name on a 4066r with a cab that doesn’t have a build date yet. Im buying it for the dealer and i truly think the l6060 and the 4066 is so close that i want to buy into the larger john deere dealer support near me
So what do you think of the kabota l2501???
Love the cut to the chase review. I'm still not 100% sure which I want. Kinda want something American. I honestly don't care where they build them, I want to support American companies. I'm in Tennessee and the Kubota is a lot cheaper. They have a dealer close by in Georgia that offers packages that even includes a trailer.
Your view on the 1025 is a joke. The model you showed has a Deere proprietary quick coupler which locks you into only being able to buy the overpriced Deere implements for the loader, also to remove the Kubota loader you don’t have to get off the seat!! Smfh. I figured this video would go green by the color of hat you wore.
Kubota won more rounds than John Deere. Deere attachments cost the same as SSQA. Anything else you’d like to show your ignorance about or is that enough for today?
@@GoodWorksTractors I don’t know where you get your cost of attachments from but that was one of the reasons why I didn’t buy a Deere.
I’m a tractor dealer. All I do is buy and sell equipment nationwide. I have bought and sold thousands of tractors.
Hey thanks for the video. I ordered a kabota bx23s last November and it's finally being delivered tomorrow. I was a little torn between it and the 1025r. I ended up going with the kabota mainly do to price. The kabota was about $23k and the 1025r was at 28k. Plus I was able to get 84 month 0% financing. Also kabotas loader accepts universal quick connect skidsteer attachments. Just my 2 cents worth.
When these guys compare the Kubota "BX" Line to the JD 1025R...... They ALWAYS never compare them on price..... as You stated, the JD 1025R w/hoe costs $28K Compared to the Kubota BX23s costs $23K that is a whole lot of difference in price!!!! You made a wise decision buying the BX23s
If these guys are going to compare compact tractors, they need to put the JD 1025R up against the Kubota B2301...... and then lets see witch one comes out on top !
Good reviews. I do think it makes a difference how you get the tractor configured and how you plan to use it. It is most definitely a point in the LX3310's favor that it has an option for a cab, but if you don't get it with a cab does it still win? The drive over mower deck isn't just for the 1 series John Deere's. The 2's and 3's have them as well. If you don't plan on using the MMM then it isn't a point for JD, if you do then it is. When I can afford it I would really like to step up from the 1025R and am trying to decide between the LX 3310 and the 2032R/2038R. A point for me to consider that may not apply to everyone is that since I already have a 1025R I can keep my pallet forks, stump bucket and grapple if I stay with JD, if I got the Kubota I would have to buy all those again.
Yeah, like I say, it was off the cuff comments from me. I've done lots of in depth comparisons weighing more factors. Thanks, as always, for watching!
@@GoodWorksTractors Yeah, I've been subscribed and watching your videos for a few years now. I mostly just wanted to comment to add my two cents to comment section. There is usually lots of good points brought up by your viewers. Thanks for the great content.
The treadle direction control was a total deal breaker for me. I borrowed my neighbors small Kubota to spread a load of shell rock on my drive way. I am 70 and my leg got very tired holding my foot up on it. When I went to buy my own small tractor I did not even consider getting a Kubota, I love my new JD 1023E. The two speed transmission is good enough. Most of the time I only need low. The only time I use high is when I am driving from one end of my property to the other. Shifting to high is easy and only takes a second.
I really enjoy all your videos.
I am still loving my 5115M thanks again.
She now has almost 300 hours on her.
I have had all the Deere sizes/series 1-5 series .
I do agree the 2025R is pretty much a 1.5 series or in my opinion as to why I own a 2025R today, is that it is really the perfect 1025R.
Everything I disliked about my 1025R was pretty much resolved with the 2025R.
Originally I had traded my 1025R for a 2038R.
Which at that time I also had a 3039R which I later traded that 3039R to you for the 4720 you have now.
The whole issue with the large frame 2 series is that it is the same physical size as a 3R, the 2038R has a wheelbase that is only 1/2 shorter then a 3039R.
The 3Rs were so much more capable then the large frame 2R. Plus the 2038R really would not fit anywhere I could not get my 3R into, so I lost my compact size and didn't gain all that much capability over the 1R .
Later I found that the 2025R really solved all the complaints I had with both the 1025R and the 2038R.
I now with the 2025R have the smaller size of the 1 series yet I have ground clearance that is sorry missing from the 1R.
The 2025R has a much smoother ride better ergonomics , it is more stable and has far better ground clearance then the 1025R.
IMO, the 2025R is the perfect 1 series tractor, or Subcompact tractor.
Which Deere does class the 2025R as a subcompact same as the 1025R.
I agree if your needing something more in line with the large frame 2Rs capability the 2038R is a good machine, might even be better to look at the 3R family which does get the 3 range hydro trans and is the same physical size as the 2038R, with even more lift capacity .
I am not sure, but I have always had the feeling these manufactures like to keep the water a little muddy when it comes to comparison of one brands models to another, meaning they don't quite line up perfectly with each other on purpose. That way one can say they are better then the other for this or that reason.
Oh how I miss the 5115!
This is a perfect case of there being the right tractor for everyone. That said, you did more trial and error than most, but you've now got a ton of experience to share because of it. Great info, say hi to Big Green for me!
@@GoodWorksTractors Will do.
Who knows maybe someday I will sell her back to you.
Big maybe on that one, since I do love both my 5115Ms.
Something you might like if your still keeping your 4720, I fell in love with that LSS system on the 5115M that I recently added LSS to my 4066R along with a self leveling loader that I really missed after trading that 4720 back to you since it had the MSL.
LSS is just an incredible feature. I know your like me, and love having all the features, LSS is one feature that if you have never experienced it, you should really try it. The 5115M I bought from you came with it my other 5115M does not have it, and the difference between them is night and day when it comes to loader work, also field work with the loader still on, the LSS really smooths out the ride a lot.
You hit the nail on the head. I left a comment earlier kind of saying what you were saying but not as in depth. I also had a 1025r and traded up to a 2025r. I completely agree that it might be a little ambitious to call it a 2 series but I feel like it’s the perfect tractor. It’s like a bigger slightly more capable 1025r yet still being relatively compact. I think people overlook it because it kind of settles through the cracks but I think it’s just about perfect.
I’d have to agree with everything in this video. Iv only owned kubota’s. Currently own a bx25d and a mx6000. always wanted a John Deere. The 1025r stomps the BX, John Deere makes such a nice tractor, I just can’t get past the fact of the 2 range transmission. I looked at the 4052r, extremely nice tractor! Kubota was just a little cheaper and the dealership was closer and I already had a couple skid steer attachments. I will own a John Deere one day
Haha, well Kubota is a great brand too. Hope they treat you well!
Have you driven a John Deere? I rarely use high on my 1023E, low is fast enough. Working in my garden or when mowing I just leave it in low. A few times when I was digging dirt on side of my property to fill in a low spot on the other side I was shifting into high to run over the low spot but the tractor plenty of torque in high to creep if you need to and it takes just a second to shift back to low to load the bucket.
@@daddio7249 I had a 1026R and had a LINE of folks wanting to buy it. I too just used low gear and worked well.
This video shows you’ve done your homework! My wife, being a teacher, said to send kudos over your research friend!
Haha, much appreciated! You and the Mrs have a good day!
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I gotta say the treadle on the Kubota kills my ankle! At 6'4" the world is not designed for me. Ha!
Yeah, me neither!
I have the same problem lol
Another fine example of comparing features, benefits, quality and value to determine the real and comparative value of quality gear. :)
Always enjoy hearing from you Lea, hope you're doing well!
Just had a guy from K7bota dealer, over to give me the options, price on the B2301 and the LX2610. Almost felt off my chair. The B2301, TBLM. 74 months 0% + Ins. $46,400.00.😮 WTH! A small tractor, 21hp, lift capability 600lb on pins. Man! No way. I said about cash deal? He said we take $500 off! Realy?
As a Gen2 2025R owner, for reference, here is a list of differences between the machine and a 1025R.
Differences only between the 2025R and 1025R include:
- Increased ground clearance
- Increased loader lift capacity
- Increased 3 pt lift capacity
- Higher maximum ground speed in Low and High
- Increased hydraulic performance
- More spacious-feeling (for me) driver cockpit area
- Increased overall length
- Large difference in base weight
- Completely different larger wheels and tires which give the tractor very different performance characteristics on different terrain types.
- Tires, when filled if desired, add additional hundreds of pounds of weight difference which further affects stability and performance at work
I think I got most everything. I chose the 2025R after almost purchasing a 1025 and could not be happier. It may or may not "beat" the comparable Kubota, but it seems to justify its premium over the 1025R, in my opinion. Hopefully that is helpful.
I love my 2025r … and love it even more after I used my neighbors Kabota…. Like alot
Love the new series of videos! So much info coming at you! Great job thank you!
Thank you sir!
💥 Great video!
*Keep on tractoring!*
Thank you sir!
You are a “facts” guy,no “BS” I can TRUST you! I have a 1/2 acre lot,BUT WE,(the Neighbors) and I live on a dead end 1/2 mile street that we maintain,with Crushed Lime stone. Costs will be shared by everyone.So I’m looking for a JD 1025R,with a FE Loader,with a HIBBEES ?? Hydraulic Box Blade (IS it also a SOD BUSTER for gardens?? THOUGHTS??
Deciding factor for me came down to $$$$. An equivalent to the L4060 HSTC is the 4 series JD, which priced it out of the market. Even the 3R series that matched HP wise was priced too high, for what turned out to be less tractor, in both size and weight. The Pedals are what you are used to, going to the JD would be difficult because I am used to the treadle on the B2410. I have issues driving the X500 due to the pedal layout and have to look down to see what the heck I am doing when I want to back up. Or I hit the reverse when I want to go forward, and anyone who has one knows what happens to the mower deck when you go backwards instead of forwards., Stop, Reset, start over.
the 2025r is a 1025r on steroids, its an all round bigger machine. the added weight, the stouter industrial tires and higher GPM pump with hydraulic oil cooler which most other brands don't even have more then justify its price increase. simply put Deere fit and Finnish is un matched. also Kubota's HST rocker pedal just plain sucks
Been using deere for 20 years
Quality is gone. No matter the model of mower or tractor. Owning a small landscaping company , I have noticed over the years, they just aren't made to last. Everything looks heavy duty, but just outside of warranty all kinds of expensive steel parts wear and fall apart, and I use the mid- high level gear so as to not destroy people's property with overly heavy machines... I think Ill be going with Kubota in the future.
I own a JD 4052M and lately I’m very disappointed not with the tractor but in general with JD service. Every time you need an attachment I feel they are doing me a favor. If you need service ( I own several JD PRODUCTS) they take your machine, and later realize it takes 8 weeks to get a part. They can easily leave the machine w you, order the part and, when arrives, work on what is necessary. Is there the same feeling around??
Is Kubota service better??
I do believe that service has to be a great part of the decision…
I really appreciate the effort you put into these videos Courtney . For those of us who are coming back into the tractor thing after many years , it's so helpful to be able to find answers .
How about the Kioti tractors?
Good machines, just not compared in this video.
Don't care which! Here in the United States you don't get the additional features that are standard overseas! Additional hydraulics , quick attachments, no Def
Or emissions crap 🙄, higher hydraulics power!
I assumed the tractors were about the same. But after watching this. Not so much.
The rocker footpedeal system looks dumb. My dad's atv had that. Not a natural movement of your foot. Didn't like it.
If a person was going to spend about the same money on a tractor. One would definitely go with the John Deere. Even a few more grand. The john deere would be a better way to go. Resale value. The john deere would hold its value much better.
My neighbor had a Kubota tractor.
Din't run as smooth as a John deere. Ended up getting rid of the Kubota and going with a Deere. Happy with it.
Zero turn mowers probably not much different between the two I would guess.
I looked at a new 3025e when shopping for tractors. I really wanted to like it, it was a handsome little tractor but was easily out classed by the Kubota L2501 and Kioti Ck2610. The 2 speed hst, aluminum trans housing, proprietary attachments, no fuel gauge on dash, the basic riding mower style sprung seat, loader controls on loader, exposed cast frame through deck etc was a deal breaker. It also had the lowest lift capacities and was the most expensive of the three. The Kioti is what we ended up buying
I have a older 2025r used to have a 1025 before but also had a older 650jd 1025 hands down wins over box older 2025 vs 2601 is a toss up for me but a lx or 2 series I think kabota for 3 speed and cad also 3e or 3r vs standard l or grand l kobota wins
I guess I should say a new 2601 wins vs 2025 new as the 3 point and loader are better and a 3 range transmission
Thanks for sharing Jason, good perspective!
Need to mention the price range also. Kubota are expensive bit John Deere is ridiculously expensive for compartive model.
Started with compacts with kioti. Both were fantastic hard working and dependable. Then went to Kubota. Both of those were great engine wise but trans and hydraulics stalled easily and never got used to the treadle peddle. Then went to John Deere. 2305 first and now a 1025r. No issues with the 2305. 1025r has/had a few issues (hydraulic leaks, position control failure and seat suspension breakage to name a few. Pretty sure next and maybe last will be a Kioti again.
Have you done any comparisons with case and Massey Ferguson? Those are options in my area. But I've heard bad things about new case tractors
Man if the 2601 beats the 2025, then the lx2610 must just annihilate it. I know, different class of tractor, but what else do you compare the 2610 to? The factory cab option with the simple 26 horse engine is what drew us to and led us to purchase a B2650. JD just didn’t have anything comparable. My biggest beef with it is the hydrostatic whine. In our 3rd winter now, for my purposes it has been nearly ideal.
Also, the treddle pedal is stupid, but I’ve gotten perfectly comfortable with its operation. My biggest irritation with it is I can’t use that floorboard space for chain, strap, etc., or a kid standing location. I know I know, not safe, blah blah ;)
One thing I like about the pedals on the kubota is when I’m doing stuff with the back I don’t have to look forward to make sure I don’t hit the wrong pedal like I would on the John Deere so I can keep looking at the implements and make sure nothing happens
So sad that John Deere is moving a factory to Mexico. John Deere now loses. Kabota is in.
you can put a front snowblower on l6060 thats main reason i bought it
Features are one thing, durability is another story.
I didn't bring up durability too much in this video because it really isn't a deciding factor. Overall, both brands are built very well.
@@GoodWorksTractors 🤣
Does Deere allow you to put in your own gas or is it necessary for a JD Tech come out and do it?
When I was looking at the 3E and standard L series I went in leaning heavily toward John Deere. I wanted that green paint bad. However, when I started comparing features, design, capabilities, and construction I was very disappointed with what I found with the 3E. I would have to go to the 3R and a higher cost even to come close to match the L. I went with a L3301 Kubota and I am very pleased with it. Great video.
Yeah, pretty substantial differences when factoring in the small price difference.
Me too, was already leaning orange exactly same L3301 blew the green out of the water and was far less expensive very happy
Thanks for your informative video’s I appreciate your help and advice. I am a proud owner of a new MX6000 open station and have a backhoe on order. I am considering having one or two remotes added when the backhoe is installed. I may get a 12 foot batwing in the future. I wanted your opinion as I don’t know if there’s different types for different applications , if so what would you recommend. I just thought since they will have to run hydraulics to the backhoe it would be a good time for the remotes to be installed. Thanks for any information on this .
The Kubota hydraulic system is low volume, low pressure. All remotes,&backhoe hydraulic flow is further restricted through the loader control valve ( quit good), but restrictive plumbing---too small of hoses & fittings --- They cheeped out! My Kubota Mx5200 got revamped (by me) ,with bigger hoses& fittings for a 40% improvement. Now the backhoe is just slow, previously it was almost uncappable. When it was "New" it was set up for amitures, with only two &1/2 functions at once for the backhoe & was burning the fluids, things got HOT after 45 minutes. The backhoe All ways had power just NO Speed. Just don't like screaming 54hp for just 13hp of hydraulic power--they NEED A BIGGER Pump. Happy safe tractoring Sir.
Went with the Kubota M4D as well. Thanks as this confirmed my research.
Nice, how do you like it?
@@GoodWorksTractors I’ll know as it shows up in two weeks!
Kubota is the real deal John Deere is whatever they choose to build them.
Great comparison video Courtney!
Why is everythng you have BRAND NEW!!!!???
Who has more lifting power. JD vs Kubota
My local Tri-County equipment in Sandusky has a John Deere 4066M heavy duty I went and looked at it it seems like a nice tractor and I do like the added options however they're asking 51,300 for it it's a lot of money anytime I've looked kubota's are cheaper
Man, that's a chunk of cash. Prices are only going higher though.
The revised treadle pedal in my new L3560 HSTC is as easy to operate as was the two pedal system in my previous JD 2032r. These obviously are not Apple to Apple tractors, but Orange is so much better than Green in so many ways. Just compare a JD 3 series with L3560 each with a front mount snowblower …. no comparison!
It's a lot of data and fun comparing these... It would be good for another video to group tractors by how they're best used next... For example, "Small homestead/landscaper machines where flexibility with weight and smaller frame size is best", "Middle farm and ranch machines heavy enough for ground work/round bales", "Big farm machines with the heavy weight and heavy price tag to go with it".
Haha, it is a good time. Especially off the cuff. Less prep work for me! :)
I have a B 3350. I like the HP but hate the regeneration. I find when I turn around to face rear I most often hit the steering height adjustment lever…the placement is hazardous. One issue Kubota has note changed is the placement of the battery ground which is outside on the lower front frame. If there is a lot of rain and after the winter the threads become rusted breaking the circuit. Placement inside the hood would be better. The tractor feels tipsy on a hill due to its higher center of gravity as compared to my previous B 3029.
Yeah, good tractor besides the regen issue. Wasn't aware of that ground issue, thanks for sharing!
no hitch assist on the L6060, if they added that then i would say a win to the kubota.
You will like the HVAC vents around the steering column or dash. just remember this "heat to the feet, air to the hair". if you can get the hot air to your feet you will be more comfortable and if you can get told air around your face, you will be more comfortable.
Haha, I like that. Makes perfect sense too, thanks for sharing Mark!
The one thing that you did not mention in the JD 4series vs MX and even the 4R vs Grand L was the Hitch Assist on the Heavy Duty models and the R series. Extremely nice when hooking up a heavy implement on uneven ground, not having to go back and forth to the operator station.
i have a bx23s love . i have arm that i can work with and find deck to be just a little work . but with the back hoe awe with one seat, i can do a lot without having to change . one another is the difference in price . that green paint is very costly
There's a tractor for everyone!
The difference is simple. Deere is selling a name. Kubota is trying to build a name
Kubota has built the name. Did it with the many years ago. I love my l2850
Don’t believe this, Kubota has sweep the market
😅only two range welcome to Atlantic cheap o
Tengo un jd 1025 y no hay lugar donde no entre ni cosa que no mueva
Wow what a video, I'm exhausted after viewing this one. You did a great job and really know your tractors. I always enjoy the videos that you do, thanks.
Haha, glad you enjoyed, thanks Steve!
Nicely done! Glad you incorporated the last set of utilities. I was leaning towards the Kubota. The jump seat aspect just sold me as I hadn’t considered the kids coming along.
Happy to help!
JD just needs to step up soon
Yep, time for a big round of improvements from them.
The John Deere dealer was the first place I went when I started looking and was happy with what I saw until the visit to the Kubota dealer down the road.
If you want a real work tractor get a Massey
I don't think so masseys are gutless
@@tylerknoll8135 at least they don't get their guts in China like a Deere...
I can see the John Deere dealer from my house. It wss an easy choice !
I thought the 2038 had a bigger frame than the 2025, Does that mean the 2032 is also in the same camp with the bigger frame identical to the 2038 frame? Thanks
Correct
For me "Hateful John" is a 'no buy'! JD has been ACTIVELY campaigning AGAINST "right to repair". In other words, they don't want YOU - the person who bought the machine - to be legally be able to repair your own tractor that you spend thousands of dollar for. I will NOT buy a JD for that reason alone. I don't want them using my money against me.
that's really only for the big Deeres 6 series up tractors and combines and rightfully so to JD has proprietary software and programs. but these little machines your more then welcome to work on them Deere doesn't care what you do with it. the service manuals are posted online.