Fair Comparison? Kubota LX3310 vs John Deere 2038R Round #0
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- Опубліковано 19 кві 2021
- Kubota LX3310 vs John Deere 2038R. Is this a fair comparison? What other models did we consider? Would the 2032R have been better? L3560?
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Delivered a nice even cut, has the super tight turning ability ua-cam.com/users/postUgkx1VWTrayKBdCKAjzAcZ_Eg4dhHTae3LkN also recommend I was looking for, and is just a blast to drive. It takes a little bit to get used to driving one after driving a normal tractor style, but once you've got it, you've got it. If you're cutting lines, you have to be careful spinning the mower around or the back tire will dig a bare spot. Just take it nice and slow during the turn and then it's back to full throttle across the yard!
I feel like these upcoming comparison videos calls for a collaboration video with the Project Farm guy!
I think Tim even said, "We're gonna test that". Haha
Project Farm is the only way to get a real comparison as everyone else is a paid for shill...
Love all his videos
I've been patiently waiting for this comparison! Can't wait to see the rest of them.
Looking forward to seeing this series. It will be interesting to see where each one excels and where they struggle.
I'm an old Cobol mainframe programmer and then went into system programming before I retired. Yep, start at relative zero, #0. This series will be very interesting to watch. Looking forward to them.
Good job with literally a side by side and objective comparison. Looking forward to see the future comparisons with the machines working.
This compact tractor geek (me) is really excited for this series of comparisons! Thanks for putting these videos together. You 2 always do a great job. Blessings to you and your family!
Looking forward to this series and future comparisons.
A couple of key points:
1. The weight difference will almost always be the deciding factor for pulling power. Virtually any tractor has enough power and gearing to break the tires loose, so regardless of the fact that the Kubota has a 3 speed tranny (which may or may NOT be a lower range than the Lo on the JD), the Deere should pull more because of its weight, given similar tire traction.
2. In my opinion, there is no direct comparison between these brands. They tend to leap-frog each other to some extent, partly I think to avoid a direct comparison. I did a year of research before buying my new tractor in 2019 - and I was on the market for a mid-size compact. I read every spec of every major model for which there was a decent local dealer (which unfortunately removed Kioti, Mahindra, and a few others from the comparison). The three that came to the top were Kubota, Deere, and Massey, and the result came down to a few key points:
> since the Massey is just a re-branded offshore unit, I found their options and accessories limited and/or “clunky”.
> in every “close” comparison between the Kubota and Deere, I could in every case step slightly up to the next step in the Kubota model at the same or less price than the Deere (based on local pricing here in Canada)
> the Kubota’s had an answer for EVERY option and accessory I could imagine. If you wanted a truly integrated third function setup, you simply ordered it. It drove me nuts that Deere didn’t have an OEM solution for this in the 20R series (you had to do it with aftermarket parts).
The end result was that it became clear why Kubota was the leader (and the originator) in compact tractors. Everything was available and the prices were notably better than Deere. I had every intention of buying green when I started my new tractor quest (and for the record, I have owned a 1961 MF50 for many years!).
After a year of research, test drives, consultations, and exhaustive forum reading, it was a clear choice - I bought the beautifully equipped Kubota Grand L4060 Cab for less money, more features, and equal or better capacities than the cabbed 30R Series Deere. I’ve had it almost two years and couldn’t be happier. Both are great products but colour and brand are not the reasons to choose an investment of this level.
Thanks for the great - and fair - comparisons, Tim. I look forward to this series!
Ok
Great idea Tim. This will be very exciting to watch and informational. I trust your findings as you always do fair tests.
You're lawn and trees look great, you can really see spring in the air out there.
Ive looked at both. But went 2038r. Control lay out and preferred the way deere does the hydrostatic feed pedal. Didn't like the feel of heel toe rocker.
Another great video and series. We really appreciate your objectivity and hard work Tim and Christy.
Glad to see you starting this series. Getting ready to go fire up my BX. Gotta run the brush cutter in the pasture
Being the proud owner of a new L3560 with Cab, I was happy to hear you mention the similarities with the LX 3310. I know my L3560 will turn in a dime. I will probably do a turn radius test just to compare with what you find on the LX. I will try and post my results on the Curtis Farms channel.
Signed the Other Tim With Tractors.
Looking forward to seeing the the comparison and test results. Enjoying your videos.
What’s sold me on kubota was the 3 range trans. Which gives more flexibility for mowing. And the ability to have a cab.
Good start. 2 years ago I went through comparing Deere and Kubota. Came down to 3R vs L3560. 2R doesn't compare to the L3560. I went with L3560 GST and am very happy with it for my needs
Great video. Nice to see them side by side. Keep up the great content!
I love the comparisons you do, they are the must unbiased I have found.
Thanks Tim looking forward to the future comparisons
Now this is a series that I have been waiting for....looking forward to the next one 👍
Love it. Waiting for my 3310 to be built so I'm watching these videos over and over.
love the 3310 bigger bucket
Nice job.
I look forward to the rest of the series
Nice intro with the two colors and the burger at the end 😉, great info on both tractors, hope one of the compare videos will include the R14 vs the Galaxy tires on the 2038R. Have a good one Tim and Christy 👍🏻
I really wanted to like the LX3310, but couldn’t get over the platform and left fender flexing when I put a little weight on the step to climb on. The 2R operator station feels more refined to me. Anxious to follow this video series though! 👍🏼
Thank you for all the work and passion you put into all of your videos ! Refering the question about cab on Jd in europe, well at least over here in germany the 2036r (there is no 2038r) is available only WITH cab (Mouser cab). Actually it maks things a bit harder but at least - beside summer - more comfortable. It does have the air ride seat as standard, not plastic. For example, the valve adjustment for the 3point travel speed adjustment is simply not reachable. To get to the fuses right underneath the steering wheel you have to open ~12 screws an pull out the middle front part from the cab - the part right in front of the steering wheel - to be able to remove the cover to get to the fuse block. Engine is reachable normally. ir does not have "air cooling" but it does have a heater which uses the engine water. You can as well add a stereo an 2 speakers. Beside that I think the cab has as well the advantage of the better storage room inside the cab ( you can put things on the fenders and they cannot "fall out" ). That way I'm able to carry my helmet (chain saw) as well as some tools (ratchet wrench with sockets in it's selling storage box) right behind the seat - again it can't fall out because of the cab.
Looking forward to this series immensely
I have noticed that my 2021 auto connect is different from the previous years. I can't use any of the older style mower decks. Maybe an idea for a video.
Looking forward to the series. Thanks Tim!
Right off the bat it's easy to see that the Kubota has a more sensible sized ROPS. I'm still amazed at JD's obsession with those sky-high ROPS especially when compared with similar sized machines from other manufacturers. It just means that more folks can't actually USE the ROPS as intended.
How is the use "intended"? Do you expect to roll the tractor over regularly? That's the intended use. Driver protection in case of a rollover. How would a taller ROPS prevent its intended use? I've never found ROPs height to be an issue except with door clearance if you're parking the tractor indoors, and in some uses with lower limbs on trees. So, you'll have to explain how "folks can't actually use the ROPS as intended."
@@buckhorncortez By "intended" use I meant deployed fully while the tractor is in use. :-) Not to be confused with all the other things that folks use ROPS for like tool storage, accessory shelving, fire extinguishers, lighting, etc. My garage door is too low to accommodate the ROPS and I have a lot of low hanging limbs and shrubs that would make the tractor dangerous to operate with the ROPS deployed. So I have to decide on the least likely of two scenarios, injury from the ROPS deployed or injury from it being folded. If you look at older JD tractors the fixed ROPS were much lower than they are now. Some almost half the height. Take the new 2-series for example, the ROPS is shorter than the Gen-1 2-series. Having a tractor with such a tall ROPS I tend to compare it to similar sized tractors from other manufacturers and the JD is the tallest by far. My brother just purchased a Kioti tractor and his ROPS is also much shorter than mine. Thus, my comment about "nice sensible sized ROPS". :-)
Wow, didn't notice, but the Kubota would definitely work out better for my area than the Deere (on this one point...) Good catch for sure.
Looking forward to it Tim and Christy. A lot of work ahead for you, but I am sure it will be greatly entertaining and educational. Take Care, Jason
Looking forward to the series! I recall you guys getting pretty wore down in the bx and 1025r comparison 😂 good luck Tim and Christy!
Videos like this series make subscribing to Tractor Time with Tim and Christie worth while.
I had a Grand L 3710 which was next size up from these it appears. I liked the tractor except for one big thing. Kubota put the hydrostatic controls AND both break pedals on the right side making it impossible to use the break for making a turn , are they still doing that?
Looking forward to seeing the match up!
Looking forward to seeing the comparison and the results
Does either tractor include "load match" for the PTO? I've found that to be extremely useful with a rotary cutter on my tractor.
Looking forward to this. Loved the last comparison between the little guys.
Awesome video thank you for sharing
Awesome comparison. Looking forward to the episodes. Great channel, Tim!
Very stoked for this series
Looking forward to seeing the comparisons. I do like my JD but Kubota has a very good product. With the price deference that would impact me and influence my final decision if the match up is close. Thanks for doing Thi.
looks like a good comparison, these smaller Kubotas are made light for landscapers so they don't tear up the lawn too much as it was explained to me, the L3300 is the first real workhorse, ( bigger than an LX3310. ).
Thanks Tim! I’ve had a BX24 TLBM for nearly 20 years and will get my new JD2032R this week. Very timely in my case. My best friend here in town has the L3310. We may have to have our own fun comparisons.
Why getting rid of BX? Need bigger machine or did you get bigger propert?
@@beunbad I loved the BX but, for my needs it’s FEL was underpowered and, to be absolutely honest, I just wanted a bigger tractor. There were times, not real often, that the other capabilities of the BX came up a little short. I’ve had the new JD2032R for a week now and love it but, the controls for the FEL and backhoe were smoother and I’ve noticed the near impossibility of curl and lift FEL function integrated at once on the 2032R. The capabilities of the 2032R for FEL and backhoe are very much higher.
@@airnashville3883 what was wrong with curl and lift integration? Is this on the new tractor or old one?
@@beunbad Sorry for being unclear. The new JD2032R has the situation but, it’s common to all JD; trying to lift and curl the FEL at the same time is almost impossible and trying to uncurl and lift during a dump simultaneously is undoable for me so far. The BX was very polished at both of these simultaneous moves.
@Air. You’ll get used to the different controls. At this point, I find the Deere controls easier than the bx controls. I’m sure it would be the other way around if I had 1000 hours on a bx.
I've been lobbying the finance committee for a 2032R for a bit. A less expensive 3310 might be more palatable. Looking forward to it!
Thanks Tim for telling me I bought the right machine…. No really I enjoyed your step by step comparison. I traded in my old 5 series New Holland (2001) for a 2038R. Originally I wanted 3039R but it was not available so the salesman gave me a comparison sheet on the 2038R. It was perfect for what I needed especially since I have a lot of trees on my property and the 2038R was more maneuverable. Keep up the great work.
thanks for sharing the video, you're covering everything,
Another excellent episode. Can't wait for the next comparison video.
Went to my kubota dealer yesterday...no subcompact on the lot...only 2 compacts with cab...they are wiped out...usually have at least 20+ on the lot at any given time
After the stack overflow with your prior set of arguments I am surprised to see another compilation. I guess you got a new set of user stories from revised requirements and developed a new project plan. I would offer you pointers but I'm sure you can handle the list of operations without my input.
As one John Deere sales person pointed out to me, Kubota tends to put their tractors, especially their deluxe models like the LX and Grand L, in between John Deere's R series tractors. I imagine it's all based on their business model for both of them. I do think the comparison will be fair as people that are wanting a more deluxe tractor will probably look at these two series on these two brands. I think you're absolutely right on the next step up on the 3R series and the Grand L series to compare. When you get to both brands series on 3R and GrandL you get a lot more hydraulic capabilities along with the weight.
I liked seeing the specs as you talked
VERY helpful for me!
Its more work editing, but i think its a pro touch i expect now from informative videos.
I think the weight difference is a huge difference/game changer I’m a orange fan but two big differences are weight and engine Hp seems in these comparisons Kubota always the underdog! Even with the Bx it was underdog and still kicked but for its size! Ok can’t wait for the games to begin! Keep up the great work!
these smaller Kubotas are made light for landscapers so they don't tear up the lawn too much as it was explained to me, the L3300 is the first real workhorse, ( bigger than an LX3310. ). if you want weight you can add ballast to tyres and suitcase weights to suit.
Good start
Well done, interesting comparison! One thing I noticed right off the bat was the width of the loader arms, the JD is much wider. I imagine the Kubota would have less stability depending where the load of what's in the bucket is and from what side you approach a load compared to the JD. Best Regards, Jay
looking forward to the tests
This was an awesome video!! I keep thinking of upgrading my 1025r to a 2038r but I only have 1 acre. I'm thinking a 2038 may be a bit big for my property, but man do I love it!
If it's not going to be used for a dedicated mower I would look at the New Holland Workmaster 25.
Can't wait! I've been looking at both of these.
Ha ha ha
Science is fun
Hi Tim an Christie looking forward to this series have a day love from TEXAS
Love your channel and knowledge!
cant wait. thanks!
Woo-hoo! This looks like a fun upcoming series.
Do you have any experience with the RK37 tractors? I'm looking hard at the RK and the 2038R but there is a large price difference..
Price can vary between brands and dealers. My father bought a Deere 1023e a few years ago and it was $1500 difference between one Deere dealer to another . Unfortunately the closer dealer was the more expensive one but anyone making a purchase like a tractor or vehicle should do all the homework they can.
I enjoy your comparison videos.
Great Video Tim. I Love the content
9:00 No cab and air conditioning is a real deal breaker here in Georgia, at least for a tractor too large to be a lawnmower. If it's August and I'm mowing a field, smoothing a driveway, loading a dump trailer, etc, I will either pay for AC or work after sundown.
Hey Tim! Love the videos! Given weight is so important to a tractor (pulling, ballast, etc), it would be great to see if the manufactures are honest with their weight ratings. Could you put each on a trailer and take them to a weigh station for an honest comparison?
I like this idea as well. I use my local recycli g center or nursery for good enouph scales.
Nicely done video Tim
have you had a look at the solis yanmar range - seem a heck of a lot cheaper and good spec - any thoughts?
I just bought a 2032R. Love it.
Both are excellent machines and it will be fun to see the comparison. Tim I’m thinking about you and your back moving those weights around for the lift comparison.
Interesting comparison on both tractors. Hello, what microphone do you use that is clipped on your shirt for your videos? Sounds good, no wind noise.
Good information
Hi Tim like a big boxing match start with a weigh in maybe you can call it that instead of round zero.
Tim, excellent presentation. The information you presented is certainly well researched. I’ve owned my John Deere 2305 for 15 years. It is a reliable machine. I recently added the forklift attachment and discovered that I need some weight in the rear of the tractor. I’m working with my sales guy at Harvest Equipment in Swanton,Vermont to either inject ballast in my rear tires or add a rear ballast box. I would like to continue this dialogue with you outside of You Tube. You are definitely possess a high level of tractor knowledge and I would appreciate any feedback from you. Take care from Highgate Vermont.
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I am glad to see that you have the Kubota tractor in your video. It looks like you need to get the Kubota a little bit dirty.
Can't wait Tim!! As all of your great videos
Raw numbers are great to figure out if what you want to do is reasonable. But how well does it work out in real situations. Looking forward to these tests.
The real question is, will it do the job you want it to do. You've got fan boys on either side of aisle. But it's nice to see you guys do a comparison of the two tractors. 🚜🚜🚜
When comparing models including the L3901 is where we would usually go. As you said, the l3560 is a totally different class of tractor.
Your Kubota weights, sometimes are without the tires. Often they use a shipping weight, not operating weight.
Looks like some beautiful weather. 😊
L3901 has many less features than these two machines, right?
@@TractorTimewithTim The biggest difference is L3901 is a mechanically older design. The only feature they really lack is a mid PTO and associated mid and front implements. It has all the same standard features, but doesn't have as many accessory kits. We sell equally as many Std L as LXs, mostly to people doing more utilitarian tasks. The pricing of a standard l, and an LX, is almost exactly the same. You get more capacity for your buck in the standard l.
On the topic of weight, standard L is significantly heavier. Applications benefiting from weight, are often the differentiator on what we steer people towards. Standard when we want to weight, LX when we don't. As far as footprint, and physical size, they're very very close to each other. We would usually compare a standard L to a 3 series Deere, but since they're putting such a large engine in the 2 series now, they do kind of butt heads.
Is the PTO hp on the 2032r enough to run the 72” mower deck? Or should you upgrade to the 2038r?
The 72” sometimes makes the 38 grunt…but you could probably get by with the 32 … you might have to slow down.
Tim great video. I will say you mentioned the two comparable Kubota tractors to 2038R were LX3310 and Grand L but I think it would rather be L3901 (or even a L3301) and LX3310. The L3901 is about 150lbs heavier than the 2038R with 30.4HP at PTO. The LX series is meant for use on lawns and the L series, with its added weight, has some additional workhorse ability for things like hobby farmers that won’t be on their lawn all the time with it. I’ve owned both Green and Orange in the past 5 years and there is things I’ve liked about both, honestly I don’t think a guy could go wrong with either of these!
The L3901 lacks in features. I don't think a good comparison in that sense.
@@TractorTimewithTim you are correct, L3901/L3301 are competitors on specs but not comfort features/price necessarily. Its almost like these companies don’t make direct competitors with each other, whether it be for marketing reasons or just because they believe in different solutions for their customer needs. Either way I enjoy the large amount of choices we all have!
Looking forward to this, I suspect the 2032R is much closer to the LX3310 in price, but these are what you have, and I don't see enough difference to be meaningful.
Could you do the dynamometer again like you did on the bx2680
💥 Looking forward to seeing the video series. Have a great day!
Keep on tractoring!
I enjoy the content Tim. Would like to see some comparisons with Massey Ferguson in the future if possible.
Weight, wheelbase, HP, FEL lift capacity, transmission type. Those are the 5 things look at. Color and brand is personal. Great video Tim. Thanks.
I would encourage you to add turning radius to the list. Makes a big difference.
Tim are you guys going to keep Allie the gater, Johnny 2, Johnny 5, and the ventrack
We don’t know, but yes, very likely.
Yes! this is what I have been waiting for. and please don't let the haters affect you Tim. I for one want to see your personal(biased or unbiased) opinion. If I wanted to know specs I would go read a brochure. but what numbers don't tell me is the actual operator experience when running the machine and I think that's what most of us are here for. Thanks Tim!
Yea, I get it. We will do so. Probably offend half the viewers in the process.
Meanwhile, one of the big complaints from our last comparison was that we chose the wrong tractors to compare....so we felt it worthwhile to lay out some specs to show why we feel the comparison is fair.
What tim is doing is valuable, you wouldn't believe how many people don't know how to read the specs properly.
I'm really glad you are doing this comparison. You mentioned you had some ideas as to why the JD weighs more than the Kubota. Would you share those ideas? Does the JD chassis look beefier and larger?
Yea, the JD just LOOKS much larger in the rear end area.
Engine torque at which specific rpm would be a better comparative then advertised HP.
Interesting that in your price comparison, Deere was the higher priced machine.
My son (he is in western NC, so nay account for some differences) recently was looking at tractors (he did purchase one). For him it came down to Kubota and Deere, largely due to availability of machines. He was wanting to remain below that DPF HP requirement (he drives a tool truck and diesel pickup and has had issues he wanted to avoid). Thus he was looking at an L2501 and a 3025E (largely due to lift capacities for unloading deliveries for his business).
He purchased the 3025E largely because with a set of pallet forks, a box blade and a tooth bar for the bucket the price was lower than Kubota’s and Kubota’s did not include all the extras. Also The L2501 was still in shipping crates and was not assembled when they told him he could come ‘kick’ its tires. I mean how much does it take yo make a phone call? Not much if you really want to sell a machine!
Is the 2038R longer or wider than the lx3310? I would need to get mine into a livestock barn to perform cleaning so I need clearance and be somewhat compact but still be able to grade a gravel road, light discing, dragging a horse arena and managing a compost pile
I’ll have to measure. I can say that the lx3310 loader ‘sticks out’ much further, making maneuvering more difficult.
@@TractorTimewithTim thanks Tim! Sounds like the 2038R with mechanical self leveling loader is the biggest tractor that can do my smallest task
Good way of stating it!
@@TractorTimewithTim is the 3039R that much bigger than the 2038R? I've been told they're fairly close in size, I believe it's shorter in length but wider
Similar in size. 3039r much more capable.
I think you should do a tug-of-war, too... In the name of science... To test pulling power and traction... 😁
Great comparison between the tractors. With so many "sizes" today, I'd be hard pressed to believe a person can't find the right tractor for their needs.
Does Kubota or Deere give engine torque numbers? I would think that is as important as HP in a diesel powered tractor.
Always nice, Orange against green :-)
Morning Tim, Nice first blush on the Kubota v Deere tractor face off.
Have you thought of using a load cell for measuring the lifting capacity? Much easier on the back and easier on the concrete floor if or when house of cards comes tumbling down.
hard to test right at ground level.
@@TractorTimewithTim Dig a hole.
Nice! I am looking forward to this comparison! Tim, would you discuss some of the nuance between the hydrostat pumps and motors? For example is there any advantage to the Sauer-Danfoss branded unit in the John Deere versus the Kubota? I am always curious how much pull, tow, or ground engaging work one can safely do with a HST. Thanks again!
The hydro transmissions have a built in relief valve that will bypass hydro fluid before you can damage the transmission. Unless you shim it to a higher pressure.
I went from a 2501 to a 3902 and I can tell a noticeable difference in pushing dirt with the 3902.
Lifting capacity was the same! I’d imagine 5 Hp or so difference in hp wouldn’t be noticeable! I’d be more interested in torque output differences!