Hoyt Helix Ultra & RX-3 Ultra Review
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Finally got my hands on a left handed Hoyt! In this video I try and compare the Helix Ultra and the RX-3 Ultra in the #2 and #3 cam. The results were surprising!
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Wow!! the detail you move into for the test, shooting different arrow weights, giving real numbers instead of vague theories... Top notch man!! I appreciate the attention to detail, that is what archery is all about!!
Thank you!
dude thank you so much for doing this cam comparison!!!
Thanks for doing this correctly by using different arrow weights and comparing individual speeds.
Just got the call that my RX3 Ultra showed up last night! #3 cam, 80 pounds, will be set at 32" draw.
That thing is going HAMMER whatever it hits!! shoot an arrow over 500gr. and youll have like 95ft/lbs of kinetic energy.
Finallly THANK YOU!!
Good Info fella !! I look at what you show because you being a Left-Handed shooter Is what I am also, and I don`t care what people say > It`s different !!
Great video ! I have a order in for a custom Rx3 with the #3c cam and your video is making me switch to #2 because my draw is 29 “ ! Thanks for the information!
Well if its a standard Rx-3 the 2 cam will only go to 28", so stick with the 3 cam! The RX3 ultra has a different range of draw lengths in the same cam #. The 3 cam in a standard RX3 will go from 27-30", so you'll be close to getting maximum efficiency out of it. Thanks for watching and good shooting to you!
Inside Out Precision okay yeah I have the standard! Still awesome video !
you’re killing it. lots of reviews out there, echoing each other. getting lots of insight that i haven’t heard from others. would love to know why less expensive bows exhibit more vibration, noise. etc. is this because of geometry? if so, why? cheaper manufacturing processes (e.g. tooling). or because of cheaper materials? if so, what materials are being used (e.g. metal composition)? is all carbon the same? what, precisely, entails “composite carbon?” lastly, are these brands outsourcing things like parts, manufacturing, assembly, etc. if so, who and what?
All good questions. The geometry if the cheaper ones don't have so much to do with noise and vibration as the materials and machining process. Most bows under that $500 mark have a cast riser ( aluminum poured into a mold) vs. a billet riser (machined from a solid block of aluminum). For whatever reason, cast risers aren't as stiff as billet risers, so the vibration from the Cam and limbs tends resonate longer after the shot. It's the same concept as a really stiff stabilizer bar vs. a weaker bar. You feel the vibration longer with a weak bar. As far as carbon goes, the only TRUE carbon bows I know being built are Hoyts and PSE'S. Most of the other ones are an injection mold ( carbon mixed with some sort of plastic) and manufactured over seas. The plastic in the mold can hold memory after awhile, resulting a bent riser more or less. There are some decent bows made over seas, but all the "top" brands are manufactured in the US. Hope that helps a little! Thanks for watching
Forgot to add that most bows are made of aluminum, but there are different grades of aluminum used. I don't happen to know the number or grade for every brand, but most high-end bows are the stiffest/lightest combination available.
Been waiting for that one. Thank you. Noticed you didn't offer your opinion on a comparison to the Mathews lineup other than draw length. Probably a smart smart move. LOL 😂
Haha they both are great companies. I was a Hoyt guy for a long time and love their bows, but those Mathews just shoot too smooth!
Hoyts best bow in a long time. Even better than the RX3 and RX1 in my opinion. The ultra is a great bow. Not quite on the level of the Prime Logic CT5, but close 🤪
Love your reviews.....can you do one with either the pse expedite or the stealth?
What’s up with a lot of people getting the ultra? I know why someone would get the turbo, but what does the ultra have over the other bows other than the axle to axle? I can’t shoot one, because my draw length is shorter. Probably will never be able to shoot one either. I have never looked into the ultra bows just interested to see.
Longer ATA bows generally aim better and draw smoother, and have a less severe string angle at full draw for people with longer draw lengths so they don't feel like they have to tilt their head forward slightly to get into their anchor point. The also usually have a longer brace height, making them a little more forgiving.
Inside Out Precision thanks
If my draw length is 27.5 and I'm looking to get a helix mostly for target shooting, should I go with the ultra or the regular? Thanks.
@@keith9803 if it's going to be for target definitely go with the Ultra
@@InsideOutPrecision thanks! I actually got one with the number 2 cams, Maxed out on draw weight, hdx qad, bstinger stabilizer and a HHA Optimizer tetra sight!. I love it so far and am looking forward to shooting it a lot more!
That RX3 ultra with the number 2 cam is shooting nearly identical speed as my Helix Ultra is. My lefty Helix Ultra is 29.5/70 and shoots a 418 grain arrow at 301-302. Draws great too. Looks like you're struggling a bit shooting that right handed bow 😀
Haha yeah it's tough!
When I shot them in the shop along with the Elite Ritual 35 they were all right handed bows. But I used to shoot right handed so it wasn't to bad
It feels shorter then your Mathews at 29 because it IS shorter. I love both Mathews and Hoyt but Mathews continues to draw long on almost all their bows. If you measure them both the same way I would be willing to bet the Mathews is almost a 1/2 inches longer draw when set to the same draw length.
Yeah last year the Hoyts were legitimately a half inch short though. 28.5 measured only 28 to the front of the riser. Don't understand how 28 inches isn't 28 inches no matter the brand haha! Thanks for watching and good shooting to you
awesome video man, love to see the detail you put into your videos and that you really take the time to give people a thorough understanding/review of bows. Quick question for you, or for anyone who is able/willing to answer: what is the difference between the hoyt helix ultra and the axius ultra? i look at the specs and they seem identical. is there something i am missing? or is the axius ultra pretty much the same bow just a newer?
I have a video on the Axious. Basically the cams are the only difference. The Axious had the draw stops built into the module while the helix has a separate draw stop that you match the the position of the cam to.
Inside Out Precision does this make any noticeable difference in stiffness of the backwall? Sorry for the noob question(s), I just don’t see what difference the placement of the draw stops would make.
Inside Out Precision also, thank you for replying! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
@@101Lacrosseplayer yeah it makes the back wall a little more solid and faster to adjust draw length .
Inside Out Precision thank you!
Thanks for the reviews, very informative. You mentioned tuning, could you do a video on timing/ paper tuning a Hoyt Helix or RX-3 ? I purchased a Helix and am just curious as I have previously had a Bowtech BTX, thanks again.
Yeah I'm going to be doing a bow build here in the next couple weeks with Hoyt Pro Force. Has the same cam system as the RX-3 so the tuning and timing method will be the same!
@@InsideOutPrecision Good deal, thank you!
so the questions now for me are can you get that number 2 cam on the regular helix and what that speed difference is going to be, I feel like the regular helix with a number 2 cam would perform more similarly to the rx-3
Yeah you can get a 2 cam in the regular rx3 and Helix, but it goes from 26-28" instead of 27-30 like the ultra. Speed difference is the same between a 2&3 though.
I’m debating on Helix vs Helix Ultra with a 27” DL I’m worried the Ultra will be considerably slower for me. Thoughts?
Yeah it definitely will be a good 15-18 fos slower. I'd go regular Helix at that draw length if I was you!
Just discovered your channel, great reviews. Ordered my LH Helix Ultra a month ago and can’t wait for it to get in. How long did it take from the time you ordered?
About 6 weeks. Sometimes longer, sometimes shorter. It's an awesome bow. You'll love it!
Inside Out Precision where are you located, you have a great looking shop
@@Loghrym We're in Springfield, OR. Name of the shop is The Bow Rack. If you're ever in the area come say hey and sling a few slivers!
Inside Out Precision is your shop the one Cam and Rogan come to?
@@Loghrym It is. The owner, Wayne, grew up with Cam.
You at the bow rack?
Yep. I work there.
Are those at 80 or 85 percent let off
Those are 85%
If I have a 28.5” draw should I go with the #3 cam on the regular rx3? Thanks.
i hope you send your mail to the edge, because that is where you're living! A #2 cam will only go to 28". A #3 cam will go from 27"-30". You'll be too short with a 2 cam, so go with the 3. It will draw silk smooth and you'll still get good speed. Thanks for watching and good shooting to you!
I really liked the feel of the RX3 Ultra when I tested it out. I haven’t had a chance to shoot the Traverse yet and was wondering what you like about the Traverse over the Hoyt Ultra and visa versa? I’m also curious how the string angle at full draw compares between the two? Thanks for sharing man!
So the Traverse is just plain smoother and more quiet than the Hoyts. They both aim extremely well, and the string angle is nearly identical. Even though the Traverse is an inch shorter, the cams are much larger so the at full draw the string angle feels more like a standard 34 or 35" bow. The Hoyt in the 3 can does draw a little smoother than the Traverse, but the 2 cam was noticably stiffer. I'm not sure if Mathews draw a little long or the Hoyts draw a little short, but they don't feel same even though they were set at the same draw length. Thanks for watching, good shooting to you!
Is there a speed difference between the 80% or 85% modules?
There hasn't been any difference in the ones I tested. Thanks for watching!
Do you ever do any bowtech reviews? Thks
I don't because we don't carry Bow Tech. Their factory is right across town and we can't compete with their showroom prices
Inside Out Precision that sucks. At least you work at a nice shop with intellectual people like yourself😎👍
What stabilizer is on the helix and what length?
Made by Spider. That one is 10".
What's the stabilizer on the rx-3 ultra?
That's the 10" Spider, predator series. Thanks for watching!
What's a decimal reader?
Haha decibel*
A decibel reader measures noise
Loved the video. Just playing with you. Keep up the fantastic videos, signed your newest subscriber.
Thanks man! Appreciate that.
My Helix ultra is no where near that fast mine 28 inch draw #2 cam 420grn arrow 270 fps
That's about right, that's an 1.5" shorter than the bow in this video, making it at least 15-20 fps slower. Draw length can make or break your speed! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for replying but u are spot on with the hold(aiming) of the bow it's a shooter my first hoyt
Hao much Rx hoyt