This is our intro you know there's a confusing history coming lol cause why have things be simple when you can pretend she was from Earth 2 via retcon until there are even more reboots after.
In the Brave and the Bold #197, which detailed how the Earth Two Batman and Catwoman began their relationship, Kathy Kane as Batwoman helped Batman and Robin fight the Scarecrow at the wedding of Bruce Wayne ex-girlfriend, Linda Page. So there was an Earth Two Batwoman as well as an Earth One Kathy.
So, once being a socialite was something kids reading comics were expected to understand? Is that like today, an Internet "influencer" is actually fighting crime in disguise?
Speaking as a qualified health and safety inspector [seriously], I am aghast that the club was allowed to open even though the idols could easily be tipped over. Evidently the health and safety office in Gotham is as corrupt as the police force. Kathy did reappear in three panels in 1998 mini series the Kingdom, in which dimensions and timelines collide, and Batman sees her for two panels, then says 'Kathy?', and has no idea why he said it. It's quite an affecting little moment.
Imagine a party full of millionaires, a villain comes to rob them, everyone runs out, and then it is all super heroes (who did not know everyone else was...)
Darkwing Duck had a similar concept in a couple episodes. They went to a planet where everyone was a superhero, except for one guy. Their culture ended up being completely based around following this one guy around with their “secret identities” and saving him from all of the minor difficulties he had to deal with every day. It, of course, drove him insane and he became a potentially world-ending supervillain.
Kathy kane In the trap Getting paid She's a bat Not afraid Of the traps Joker laid Off of her new single "Bat Trap" coming fall 2020 on sound cloud and spotify.
I was aware of her a decade ago, but what got me on her radar was the Batman: Brave and the Bold episode, which you can say about a bunch of golden and silver aged characters lol
There's actually alot of genuine potential with Kathy Kane Classic. Hopefully they explore that in some kind of stand alone story. Or at least they release her album "Stuntin' like I'm Bats"
Given that this IS a comic book Channel, I wonder if Sasha ever finds that changing her wig means that even her closest friends and family no longer recognize her!
I love how you do the same voice for both Batman and Bruce Wayne. It implies the residents of Gotham City are as useless at figuring out secret identities as the folks in Metropolis.
It's okay. Morrison resurrected her in Batman Inc. as the badass leader of a superspy group who even gets to steal Batman's win. And gives her a somewhat more tragic backstory. So you win some and you lose some.
When Ruby Rose left the show, I hoped they would bring Kathy on...but in the end it’s probably better that they write horrible stories for an original character rather than ruining Kathy too 🤣
Yes I would love the OG STRAIGHT Batwoman but know that ain't happening. Coraline Dries seems to be the type that loves to virtue signal. Also, it seems she let everyone knows that she is gay every chance she gets.
@@RollingDodge Me Too. In fact, I even have several ideas about how she could stand out as her own superhero without being tied directly to Batman. A few of them are: "Unlike Batman who is actually the well-known Bruce Wayne, nobody really knows who Batwoman is. This gives her an advantage to sneaking into enemy parties, businesses, and etc. since she's a complete nobody. She's so unknown and so committed to her love of being a Bat-themed vigilante inspired by Batman that, like Watchmen's Rorschach, she's completely become her hero identity and lives alone in a large gothic house in an empty, abandoned neighbourhood called "The Bat House" which is filled to the brim with Bat-themed items, indicating her obsession and dedication.
Sucks that we didn't get to see more of her, she was quite unique compared to the rest of the Bat Family. Would love to see her come back in some capacity, maybe even team up with Kate Kane for a limited series or one shot and get fleshed out more
I find Batwomans history interesting. She was created to be Batmans partner because of gay accusations and when she was returned she was gay. Abd then became popular because the comic was well written.
Love this. Kathy Kane - Star Trap Musical Artist lives in my head, rent free. Hardly anyone talks about Kathy nowadays and I adore her and Betty. I love how Kathy and Betty were introduced to stop people from thinking Bruce and Dick were gay, but both men almost always avoided the eager superheroines' advances, saying stuff like "I'm married to Lady Justice" and "I have no time, for my crime fighting comes first and you'd be in danger". Plus, Robin is constantly jealous of Kathy taking all Bruce's attention away from him and seems to see her as a threat to their dynamic. His nightmare/fever dream of them marrying and Kathy "ruining everything!" only confirms it. It all just makes them look gayer. Despite the constraints of her 50's girl gadgets and the sexism of the period, I'm a huge Kathy fan, as much as I love Kate. Glamorous circus stunt rider with fierce 50's hairstyle for the win. 🙂🦇
This is rapidly becoming my favourite comic review/history channel! Too many of the others are filled with anger and hate, but this one is full of love and joy, and you are often sprocking hilarious with it too! Only one problem though, and it might be just me, due to my autism, but I frequently find the ticking in the background track a little too distracting.. does anyone else have this issue..?
When I started reading comics in the mid to late seventies, she only appeared occasionally, like when she guested in Freedom Fighters, but then around 1980 when she was murdered by the League of Assassins, it was a powerful story. That storyline with Batman stopping the League is still a favorite of mine. Even though her role was minor (as a catalyst victim early on), I say it's still the best story any version of the character has ever been in.
As far as the gadgets, remember there was Bat shark repellent and many more in the TV series 1966. These aren't that big a stretch. Never enough campy.
Your Batman voice is cracking me up- don't stop. Also, another option to gain access to the Bat Family: be related to the police commissioner or a wealthy socialite.
I'm a big fan of Bat Woman through the ages but I wonder if anyone else notices the strong and obviously totally coincidental resemblance between the real , I mean first Batgirl's costume and the one worn by the X-Men's Marvel Girl.
Stuff like this makes me wish comics did more period pieces, more heroes in the old days to give this idea as a second chance in their original context
It's really odd that her character did not take off in the 50s. DC had Black Canary already, so there was a potential market. I think maybe she was just ahead of her time.
@@LWoodGaming A competent, independent female hero who actually had the respect of her distaff counterpart was less common back then. Entertainment in the 50s was still very limited in its portrayal of women for the most part. Even long standing characters were subjected to being treated as 'less than' in one form or another. If she had hung around for any length of time, the writers would probably have nerfed her significantly, just to fit in with the times.
I saw an animated Batman movie about Batwoman. The premise was that 3 different women were Batwoman who worked together in the same disguise. I loved that concept because it allowed for more interesting moments where Batman wonders who she really is if she doesn't recognize him from one night ago. I wish they would continue with that concept, allowing Bette to take that role with Kate and or Kathy Kane like a mashed up mutli-universe surprise reveal.
It always cracked me up that Batman would warn Batwoman that crime fighting was too dangerous for a mere woman...in front of his 8 year old sidekick...
Would love a one shot of her and Super Woman (Kristin Wells version) Think it could be fun...3 chapters, framing story of them meeting up in a bar telling how they "Could have been" stories, then some kind of wrap up where they team up...am I thinking to much about this....
I like her even though I don't think red was the best color choice for a Batwoman. If they gave her a more normal complement of Bat-gadgets, she might have stuck around longer.
I find that when people write things like Seduction of the Innocent, or when they attack people on the Internet with accusations like that, they are more often than not speaking about themselves and projecting onto others (even my statement could be that... I don't know). But when accusations are used to stifle conversation and stop creativity, the one tossing those accusations needs to look in a mirror and think on if they really meant it was they who fit their conclusions.
I like Kathy, she is interesting and has the potential to be significantly distinct from Kate. I would love her to be brought back to the modern comics and not just her history.
@@mttylerdurden9 Yeah but that was a single story that was designed to put her back into the toybox at the end of the story. She has so much potential, maybe as a mentor like figure for Batwoman.
From what I've seen silver age Dick is scared of a girl coming to take Batman away from him. Looks like he's going down the Jimmy Olsen Super-girl route
She was always a welcome addition when she would pop up like in Batman family there's an issue or Batgirl Batwoman and the huntress go against madam zodiac and poison ivy I think or the thorn...I forget. Anyway whenever Batwoman would pop up as a child I thought it was cool because she was very different from Batman and Robin and she had a cool outfit, very loud and I never really got an origin for her yet she was just endlessly intriguing for me. You don't even talk about her and Earth 2 or how she showed up very briefly in planet Krypton or how the current Batwoman Kate Kane was a socialite just like Kathy and then she was abruptly changed to this military haircut butch woman instead of a dress wearing long haired gal.
Don't forget Batman declaring his love for her when they thought they were going to die on that alien planet. True story. Gotta just roll with silver age madness. You should check out "Lady Cop". I'd love to hear your thoughts on that slice of bronze age storytelling.
Thank you once again for doing the deep dive into all things comics. I was sure this character was made up in the Batman: Bad Blood animated movie. It is very fascinating to see how subtle changes in a character can give it substantial marketing boost. There would be no Batgirl if there was not some appeal for the Batwoman. But because the suits didn't want to give equal footing to a Bat-Woman with their Bat-Man, they brought in the Bat-Girl so that she would be more of a sidekick (I'm guessing at these motivations, but that seems to be the case). This current iteration of Batwoman is not bad. I have an almost secret love for the CW format of DC comic book TV shows; they are all really bad soap operas that are hilarious when you binge watch them. But it seems like it would have been better to stick with the original back story. It would be less complicated and definitely different from any other DC universe hero.
Do you have a copy of "The Encyclopedia Of Comic Book Heroes vol. 1 - Batman" by Michael L Fleisher? It was first published in 1976, and it's an entire one-volume encyclopedia about Batman's adventures from 1939 to 1965. If you don't, you should score a copy from Ebay or Amazon. (Volumes on Wonder Woman and Superman came out the following two years. All three were re-issued a few years ago, so try there as well.) In case you don't -- In his article on Batman, Fleisher devotes entire sections on Batman's various relationships. He examines, briefly, the question of homosexuality in the Batman/Robin relationship and delves quite extensively into his relationship with Batwoman. He focuses primarily on Batwoman's struggle to be accepted by Batman as an ally and their romantic dalliance. And yes, you are correct in your suspicion that Robin is more than a little jealous of Kathy being in Bruce's life. If you'd prefer, I'd be happy to summarize it for you. It's really quite informative and fascinating. Just reply that you'd like me to do that. I just don't want to spoil anything for you in case you want to find out for yourself. Anyway, I enjoy your channel, and I look forward to more videos. Bye.
She was an interesting idea for an alternative and more healthy love interest than Catwoman is. Also something about the notion of Batman fighting alongside a woman who he worries for the safety in today's modern world of comics would be kind of grounding for him. He and all his super allies can be a little too godlike sometimes, so having a mortal who keeps throwing herself in the line of fire with him and it make Bruce uncomfortable and have to try and play things safer than he would normally could be good for him. Plus imagine if instead of Bruce protesting her being a vigilante it wasn't because shes a woman, but instead because shes just missing that "spark" you need to do this gig. Like every hero has an origin that forged them in fire, but shes just a former circus lady who got some money and figured this would be a fun way to hook up with Batman. She doesn't have a father in jail she's trying to prove innocent, she doesn't have parents who were shot in front of her. Shes just a eccentric, talented and slightly privileged thrill seeker who might be motivated by a little hero worship to. I'd like to see Batman wrestle with problems that come from that or even look for ways to make constructive use for people like that.
I remember in the days of my youth, the rise of Batwoman. I liked her and resented Barbra Gordan Batgirl. I argued with my friends there is already a batgirl." I resented Batman's double standard.
This version of Bat Woman, aka Kathy Kane was resurrected by Grant Morrison on Batman Inc. I guess she is still somewhere waiting to return. So Dc has two active Batwomen.
Morrison reimagined the character as Bruce's aunt throught marriage as well as still his love interest cause why not lol which ended up being phased into the Spyral secret agent stuff and the new 52 and then rebirth happened lmao so where is she now time will tell. Kate is Batwoman Kathy is Kathy. I know sometimes some Morrison retcons they attempt to undo like Talia raping Bruce but some stick around or come back. Kathy's had a convoluted history that episode is going be a fun confusing history.
@@CasuallyComics Morrison stuff involving the original Batwoman was complicated if you take continuity on account. I think that in this case he went along with as many elements he could from his original story not taking into account the New 52. Thanks for your reply and I hope you continue Batwoman s story. And even Bette Kane s which also is a continuity mess.
They actually killed her off about 5 issues before I started reading comics on a regular basis so It wasn't until they reprinted some of the stories she was in that I knew more about her than she was dead. I will say that I agree that there was some potential for growth there, although with the introduction of Barbara Gordon as Batgirl they would have had to figure out something to do with Betty. I dob;t remember what issue it was but there was an issue where they had the Earth-1 Batman work with the Earth-2 Batwoman the only thing I really remember about that story was how unsettling each of them found it to be working with the doppelganger of the one they knew that was dead. Over all, though, I can see why she had such a fan following. As an aside if you wanted to do series on short lived female characters modeled after male heroes there was a character called Arrowette, who appeared in a Green Arrow story and who, like Batwoman had her weapons designed out of female items (like a needle and thread arrow or a kerchief arrow, and I think she even had a hairpin arrow, but don't hold me to that it has been a few years since I read the story). Also like Batwoman, at the end of the story, Green Arrow convinced her that crime fighting was too dangerous and she gave it up, again a bit too easily for someone that had modeled herself on a hero and spend all the time training to develop the skills needed to emulate him...but those were stories of the Silver Age and...well...you know...Even the long standing female characters weren't taken as seriously as they could have been. I mean how many times in Justice Society or Justice League stories was Wonder Woman taken prisoner or in some way in need of saving? She was great in the own title but put her in a team book and all of a sudden she's the damsel in distress...
I'm nearing 65 and I still enjoy comics. I love your Batman voice, always makes me laugh. Thank you for your thoughtful treatments of comics. Great channel!
DC should publish a Lavender Man & watch some close minded heads explode. 🤯 Sasha if you’re ever experiencing unwanted attention do your Batman voice and watch them run the other way. ☺️
So this was batwoman origin story....until 10 years ago a certain mad man called Grant Morrison recontextualized this very same story in Batman inc using the very same pages and style.
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 Because only a madman or a genius (or a bit of both) can think to reprise all the strange and curious batman silver age adventures and managing to make them work in the modern era Batman. It was a very brilliant operation and all worked so well,until the reboot came...
Honestly they way Dick kept reacting to Batwoman it basically confirms, in my mind, that at the very least Dick *wanted* Batman's.... Richard Wait a minute... Kathy was a single socialite, living on her own in the big city,, who'd go out at night wearing a skintight outfit in whatever time it was this comic came out.... I get very strong lesbian vibes from that 🤷♂️
Why did I come here? Why does Batwoman have the same name as the co-creator of Batman? When will we hear the best Peter Parker voice? why does Robin speak in Batman's voice during the failed jewel heist? I want answers. It's over, Kathy.
I like Kathy Kane's character, also really like her costume and think she is more interesting than the modern Batwoman. Probably only helped cement Bruce's ambiguously gay status tho. lmao
Pre-Crisis Kathy Kane: Loves Batman. Isn't related to Batman. Is straight. Post Crises (CW) Kate Kane: Likes Batman (platonic). IS related to Batman. Is a lesbian. Don't get me wrong. The Batwoman relaunch comic book series was VERY well written, fit with post-Crisis continuity, and I LOVE her character! It didn't take Batman, Nightwing, and Robin long to accept her as an equal. Then the "woke" movement started, and some really bad writers at the CW decided that being Batman's equal wasn't enough. Batwoman had to "replace" Batman as Gotham's defender. Even THEN it wasn't enough! They had to KILL a Batman in the CW Crisis crossover. Yeah they did Batman and Kevin Conroy dirty.
The Batman Family(?) comic where she and Bruce are married and she exposes him. Dream sequence or something like that. I haven't had it since I traded it for a vid cam in the mid 80's, My fav appearance of her
Great video! I recent bought a copy of Detective Comics 233 from Heritage Auctions. I like the character. I think it is cool way of looking at female empowerment. She wasn't trying to be a man but was a real woman fighting crime using her feminine powers. She was probably the archetype for the character in Despicable Me 2. I like her using female products that's kind of what makes her cool to me. The battle of the sexes should women versus men instead of women trying to be men. Sad they killed her off. Also sad that she was replaced by lesbian who lacked all of the traits that showcase the power and strength of a natural woman. Feminine does have to mean weak. The great women who dominated over men didn't do so by becoming as manly as men but used their natural talents like beauty, seduction, and cunning.
This might be one of the best Casually Comics episodes. The cultural analysis, and the branding iconography were tight. And wig or real, Sasha was rocking the blue and black with her outfit. Allk together , I think it represents what makes Casually Comics different than any other comics UA-cam channel.
This is our intro you know there's a confusing history coming lol cause why have things be simple when you can pretend she was from Earth 2 via retcon until there are even more reboots after.
Yeah I think Batwoman has 4 reboots to her history. That will be an interesting vid.
I can't wait until you talk about the times she became a spy for Spiral!!
In the Brave and the Bold #197, which detailed how the Earth Two Batman and Catwoman began their relationship, Kathy Kane as Batwoman helped Batman and Robin fight the Scarecrow at the wedding of Bruce Wayne ex-girlfriend, Linda Page. So there was an Earth Two Batwoman as well as an Earth One Kathy.
Doing Batman Comics must really kill your voice.
So, once being a socialite was something kids reading comics were expected to understand? Is that like today, an Internet "influencer" is actually fighting crime in disguise?
Love how the panel where Bruce and Kathy are dancing starts with "And soon, at the gay affair..."
Exactly LOL
Gay is also a synonym for happy, or festive.
The lesbian change was foreshadowed.
Option 4: be his unknown child.
Thank you for the heart.
#Fact
That's option 5. Option 4 is be the girlfriend of the previous one (DC acknowledges it now)
Yep, Huntress and Damian. Good catch!
I love how Robin’s mood is essentially. “He’s my dad! Not yours!”
I agree that Dick should have been the one to bring up the circus slang, especially since he was once a "trap-artist".
So… Batman’s lesbian cousin started out as his straight girlfriend to prevent people from thinking he was gay for Robin? 🤔 …Comics. 🤦🏽♂️
Elizabeth Moore That’s even more confusing.
WhiteRaven696 Yes it is. That’s Grant Morrison for you. 😆
This…weirdly makes sense, and I don’t know why.
Speaking as a qualified health and safety inspector [seriously], I am aghast that the club was allowed to open even though the idols could easily be tipped over. Evidently the health and safety office in Gotham is as corrupt as the police force.
Kathy did reappear in three panels in 1998 mini series the Kingdom, in which dimensions and timelines collide, and Batman sees her for two panels, then says 'Kathy?', and has no idea why he said it. It's quite an affecting little moment.
Imagine a party full of millionaires, a villain comes to rob them, everyone runs out, and then it is all super heroes (who did not know everyone else was...)
That is a very very cool idea. I give it two thumbs up.
Darkwing Duck had a similar concept in a couple episodes. They went to a planet where everyone was a superhero, except for one guy. Their culture ended up being completely based around following this one guy around with their “secret identities” and saving him from all of the minor difficulties he had to deal with every day. It, of course, drove him insane and he became a potentially world-ending supervillain.
@@lordhirudo5311 That is really funny. I'm laughing out loud right now. 😂😂
C J yeah, Darkwing Duck was ahead of it’s time in a lot of ways. Another reason to get Disney+, IMO.
Kathy kane
In the trap
Getting paid
She's a bat
Not afraid
Of the traps
Joker laid
Off of her new single "Bat Trap" coming fall 2020 on sound cloud and spotify.
I was aware of her a decade ago, but what got me on her radar was the Batman: Brave and the Bold episode, which you can say about a bunch of golden and silver aged characters lol
GenerationWest That was a great episode!!! I’d love to see Katrina Moldoff done in a modern way with DC Comics!
" No man can wear a Batman costume.............EXCEPT ME !!!".
Im gonna have an alter ego rap career with the name Kathy Kane
As a trap artist, her life sized portrait should be in Nike socks and sandals. It would increase her authenticity.
There's actually alot of genuine potential with Kathy Kane Classic. Hopefully they explore that in some kind of stand alone story. Or at least they release her album "Stuntin' like I'm Bats"
Ironic, she could save others from being gay, but not herself 😂
Its that a star wars reference I see
@@whytho1534 yes
She made the ultimate sacrifice.
Given that this IS a comic book Channel, I wonder if Sasha ever finds that changing her wig means that even her closest friends and family no longer recognize her!
If she's the hero of a comic book then most of her friends are either dead, evil, or know her identity.
I love how you do the same voice for both Batman and Bruce Wayne. It implies the residents of Gotham City are as useless at figuring out secret identities as the folks in Metropolis.
Both Superman and Batman have different civilian voices
I remember an issue of Batman Family where Barbara Gordon met Kathy Kane while on a cruise ship.
My messenger bag is no longer a satchel. It is now a shoulder utility bag.
It's okay. Morrison resurrected her in Batman Inc. as the badass leader of a superspy group who even gets to steal Batman's win. And gives her a somewhat more tragic backstory. So you win some and you lose some.
People wondering why catwoman wasn't used as a love intrest. The anti comics crusade hated her for being too sexy.
Kinda like now there seems to be people that are 4th wave extreme feminists that hate sexy female characters. The male gaze or some crap.
It was also because she was morally grey. Back then you had to be 100% good or evil. Comics code was dumb...
@@lordhirudo5311 well, there were anti heroes even in the Golden Age, like Namor
Henrique Bitencourt Not in DC, to the best of my knowledge.
dramatic Cleopatra wig is baaaack, it's so pretty
When Ruby Rose left the show, I hoped they would bring Kathy on...but in the end it’s probably better that they write horrible stories for an original character rather than ruining Kathy too 🤣
Yes I would love the OG STRAIGHT Batwoman but know that ain't happening. Coraline Dries seems to be the type that loves to virtue signal. Also, it seems she let everyone knows that she is gay every chance she gets.
@@RollingDodge
Me Too.
In fact, I even have several ideas about how she could stand out as her own superhero without being tied directly to Batman. A few of them are:
"Unlike Batman who is actually the well-known Bruce Wayne, nobody really knows who Batwoman is. This gives her an advantage to sneaking into enemy parties, businesses, and etc. since she's a complete nobody. She's so unknown and so committed to her love of being a Bat-themed vigilante inspired by Batman that, like Watchmen's Rorschach, she's completely become her hero identity and lives alone in a large gothic house in an empty, abandoned neighbourhood called "The Bat House" which is filled to the brim with Bat-themed items, indicating her obsession and dedication.
I love how your going back to the history of Batwoman and I also saw that same Batwoman from the 1950s in a Episode of Batman The Brave and The Bold
OH GREAT! I caught myself using the "Casually Comics" Batman voice while I was reading a Batman comic (LOL)
Love the"bat voice". Keep up the great work. I'm glad I found your channel a week ago.
Sucks that we didn't get to see more of her, she was quite unique compared to the rest of the Bat Family. Would love to see her come back in some capacity, maybe even team up with Kate Kane for a limited series or one shot and get fleshed out more
I'm here for the batvoice. Could you please say "where's Rachel?" Or "never leave the cave without it" please and thank you. Much awesome
I find Batwomans history interesting. She was created to be Batmans partner because of gay accusations and when she was returned she was gay. Abd then became popular because the comic was well written.
To bad her show isn't XD
Well who knows what will happen in season 2. They are doing a reboot of sorts.
@@kyleketron6418 I hope but don't hold out much of it.
True but hey normal tv has been playing it safe for years. Streaming seems to get better writers.
@@kyleketron6418 very true
Kathy Kane was satirizing the expectations that were placed on women in that era when she named her crime-fighting tools.
Not being married was pretty edgy for the 50's. Also jealous Robin is the best Robin!
Lmao, love your batman impression 😂
I love the Batman voice. LOVE IT!
Love this. Kathy Kane - Star Trap Musical Artist lives in my head, rent free. Hardly anyone talks about Kathy nowadays and I adore her and Betty. I love how Kathy and Betty were introduced to stop people from thinking Bruce and Dick were gay, but both men almost always avoided the eager superheroines' advances, saying stuff like "I'm married to Lady Justice" and "I have no time, for my crime fighting comes first and you'd be in danger". Plus, Robin is constantly jealous of Kathy taking all Bruce's attention away from him and seems to see her as a threat to their dynamic. His nightmare/fever dream of them marrying and Kathy "ruining everything!" only confirms it. It all just makes them look gayer. Despite the constraints of her 50's girl gadgets and the sexism of the period, I'm a huge Kathy fan, as much as I love Kate. Glamorous circus stunt rider with fierce 50's hairstyle for the win. 🙂🦇
She was treated respectfully in the Grant Morrison Batman Incorporated run circa 2008 - 2011
I just read that issue where bronze age batman overhears golden age batwoman loving golden age batman last week.
This is rapidly becoming my favourite comic review/history channel! Too many of the others are filled with anger and hate, but this one is full of love and joy, and you are often sprocking hilarious with it too!
Only one problem though, and it might be just me, due to my autism, but I frequently find the ticking in the background track a little too distracting.. does anyone else have this issue..?
When I started reading comics in the mid to late seventies, she only appeared occasionally, like when she guested in Freedom Fighters, but then around 1980 when she was murdered by the League of Assassins, it was a powerful story. That storyline with Batman stopping the League is still a favorite of mine. Even though her role was minor (as a catalyst victim early on), I say it's still the best story any version of the character has ever been in.
agreed, that story is great
9:00 Carrying tape recorders Reel to Reel . Damn baby that's a big ass clutch purse!
As far as the gadgets, remember there was Bat shark repellent and many more in the TV series 1966. These aren't that big a stretch. Never enough campy.
I think if she has more time to develop she could’ve been as popular as Kate Kane Batwoman as she seemed to have great potential
Your Batman voice is cracking me up- don't stop. Also, another option to gain access to the Bat Family: be related to the police commissioner or a wealthy socialite.
Kathy Kane Batwoman has an episode in Batman: The Brave and the Bold season 2, episode 20 titled The Criss Cross Conspiracy.
Kathy seemed cool. Shame they felt only batgirl needed to exist alone. Couldve had Kathy be Babs mentor or something
I'm a big fan of Bat Woman through the ages but I wonder if anyone else notices the strong and obviously totally coincidental resemblance between the real , I mean first Batgirl's costume and the one worn by the X-Men's Marvel Girl.
She's fabulous! I'm gonna have to track more info down now. I loved her arsenal..."Totally Spies" vibes.
When I was first introduced to this Batwoman, she had been killed by, I think, the League of Assassins.
Stuff like this makes me wish comics did more period pieces, more heroes in the old days to give this idea as a second chance in their original context
It's really odd that her character did not take off in the 50s. DC had Black Canary already, so there was a potential market.
I think maybe she was just ahead of her time.
ahead of her time how?
@@LWoodGaming A competent, independent female hero who actually had the respect of her distaff counterpart was less common back then.
Entertainment in the 50s was still very limited in its portrayal of women for the most part. Even long standing characters were subjected to being treated as 'less than' in one form or another. If she had hung around for any length of time, the writers would probably have nerfed her significantly, just to fit in with the times.
@@RayNerd65 what about batgirl
"Batwoman can't just be" I wish this wasn't so true. 😅😢
I agree, Kathy was cool but had untapped potential.
I saw an animated Batman movie about Batwoman. The premise was that 3 different women were Batwoman who worked together in the same disguise. I loved that concept because it allowed for more interesting moments where Batman wonders who she really is if she doesn't recognize him from one night ago. I wish they would continue with that concept, allowing Bette to take that role with Kate and or Kathy Kane like a mashed up mutli-universe surprise reveal.
Wow and I thought Dennis O'Neil hate for Jason todd was unfair, he even hated Batwoman
Damn I didn't even know Kathy got killed that way. I figured Betty would just vanish but poor Kathy just got killed like that.
It always cracked me up that Batman would warn Batwoman that crime fighting was too dangerous for a mere woman...in front of his 8 year old sidekick...
Hindsight is 2020. Never woulda predicted that cliche would backfire!
Your Batman is so awesome it reminds me of badman a lot and makes me laugh hysterically. “Where are the drugs?”
I hope we get a sequel to this so some comparisons can be made between The two batwomen
Damnit Sasha, this channel is absolutely amazing... please never stop you legend 🤘
Why are Batman and Robin just driving around in daylight in the newspaper scene😂😂
Would love a one shot of her and Super Woman (Kristin Wells version) Think it could be fun...3 chapters, framing story of them meeting up in a bar telling how they "Could have been" stories, then some kind of wrap up where they team up...am I thinking to much about this....
I like her even though I don't think red was the best color choice for a Batwoman. If they gave her a more normal complement of Bat-gadgets, she might have stuck around longer.
Robin came from the circus, how did he miss the clues regarding circus terms? How is Batman telling him what circus terms are?
I find that when people write things like Seduction of the Innocent, or when they attack people on the Internet with accusations like that, they are more often than not speaking about themselves and projecting onto others (even my statement could be that... I don't know). But when accusations are used to stifle conversation and stop creativity, the one tossing those accusations needs to look in a mirror and think on if they really meant it was they who fit their conclusions.
Love that hair!
I'd love to see you talk about Batman Brave and the Bold (it's truly amazing and I think you'd love it)
Your Batman and Robin voices are everything, and DC needs to hire you to read their stuff on Audible pronto.
Batwoman: Gotham's resident trap artist
Lmao ur calling out Robin thru this vid cracked me up. Also I'm living for this look, very chic 😘
I like Kathy, she is interesting and has the potential to be significantly distinct from Kate. I would love her to be brought back to the modern comics and not just her history.
I know this is a year late but Grant Morrison brought Kathy Kane back during their Batman Incorporated series.
@@mttylerdurden9 Yeah but that was a single story that was designed to put her back into the toybox at the end of the story. She has so much potential, maybe as a mentor like figure for Batwoman.
Thay did bring her back as the head of spiral
Batwoman was hilarious back in the day.
From what I've seen silver age Dick is scared of a girl coming to take Batman away from him. Looks like he's going down the Jimmy Olsen Super-girl route
There are so many silver age imaginary stories where Bruce gets married and half the story is just Dick panicking lol
I can totally imagine silver age Dick rubbing the totem. Seems 100% in character to me.
@@CasuallyComics As long as he doesn't end up like Lois.
She was always a welcome addition when she would pop up like in Batman family there's an issue or Batgirl Batwoman and the huntress go against madam zodiac and poison ivy I think or the thorn...I forget. Anyway whenever Batwoman would pop up as a child I thought it was cool because she was very different from Batman and Robin and she had a cool outfit, very loud and I never really got an origin for her yet she was just endlessly intriguing for me. You don't even talk about her and Earth 2 or how she showed up very briefly in planet Krypton or how the current Batwoman Kate Kane was a socialite just like Kathy and then she was abruptly changed to this military haircut butch woman instead of a dress wearing long haired gal.
So glad I found your channel. I get to find out some comic book history
Batman : “hmmm… she’s been using Circus terms…wait! DICK ! YOU ARE BATWOMAN !”
Don't forget Batman declaring his love for her when they thought they were going to die on that alien planet. True story.
Gotta just roll with silver age madness.
You should check out "Lady Cop". I'd love to hear your thoughts on that slice of bronze age storytelling.
Thank you once again for doing the deep dive into all things comics. I was sure this character was made up in the Batman: Bad Blood animated movie. It is very fascinating to see how subtle changes in a character can give it substantial marketing boost. There would be no Batgirl if there was not some appeal for the Batwoman. But because the suits didn't want to give equal footing to a Bat-Woman with their Bat-Man, they brought in the Bat-Girl so that she would be more of a sidekick (I'm guessing at these motivations, but that seems to be the case).
This current iteration of Batwoman is not bad. I have an almost secret love for the CW format of DC comic book TV shows; they are all really bad soap operas that are hilarious when you binge watch them. But it seems like it would have been better to stick with the original back story. It would be less complicated and definitely different from any other DC universe hero.
I really only come here for the batman voice acting 😂😂😂
Do you have a copy of "The Encyclopedia Of Comic Book Heroes vol. 1 - Batman" by Michael L Fleisher? It was first published in 1976, and it's an entire one-volume encyclopedia about Batman's adventures from 1939 to 1965. If you don't, you should score a copy from Ebay or Amazon. (Volumes on Wonder Woman and Superman came out the following two years. All three were re-issued a few years ago, so try there as well.)
In case you don't -- In his article on Batman, Fleisher devotes entire sections on Batman's various relationships. He examines, briefly, the question of homosexuality in the Batman/Robin relationship and delves quite extensively into his relationship with Batwoman. He focuses primarily on Batwoman's struggle to be accepted by Batman as an ally and their romantic dalliance. And yes, you are correct in your suspicion that Robin is more than a little jealous of Kathy being in Bruce's life.
If you'd prefer, I'd be happy to summarize it for you. It's really quite informative and fascinating. Just reply that you'd like me to do that. I just don't want to spoil anything for you in case you want to find out for yourself.
Anyway, I enjoy your channel, and I look forward to more videos. Bye.
She was an interesting idea for an alternative and more healthy love interest than Catwoman is. Also something about the notion of Batman fighting alongside a woman who he worries for the safety in today's modern world of comics would be kind of grounding for him. He and all his super allies can be a little too godlike sometimes, so having a mortal who keeps throwing herself in the line of fire with him and it make Bruce uncomfortable and have to try and play things safer than he would normally could be good for him.
Plus imagine if instead of Bruce protesting her being a vigilante it wasn't because shes a woman, but instead because shes just missing that "spark" you need to do this gig. Like every hero has an origin that forged them in fire, but shes just a former circus lady who got some money and figured this would be a fun way to hook up with Batman. She doesn't have a father in jail she's trying to prove innocent, she doesn't have parents who were shot in front of her. Shes just a eccentric, talented and slightly privileged thrill seeker who might be motivated by a little hero worship to. I'd like to see Batman wrestle with problems that come from that or even look for ways to make constructive use for people like that.
Sasha's voices 😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣
I remember in the days of my youth, the rise of Batwoman. I liked her and resented Barbra Gordan Batgirl. I argued with my friends there is already a batgirl." I resented Batman's double standard.
This version of Bat Woman, aka Kathy Kane was resurrected by Grant Morrison on Batman Inc. I guess she is still somewhere waiting to return. So Dc has two active Batwomen.
Morrison reimagined the character as Bruce's aunt throught marriage as well as still his love interest cause why not lol which ended up being phased into the Spyral secret agent stuff and the new 52 and then rebirth happened lmao so where is she now time will tell. Kate is Batwoman Kathy is Kathy. I know sometimes some Morrison retcons they attempt to undo like Talia raping Bruce but some stick around or come back. Kathy's had a convoluted history that episode is going be a fun confusing history.
@@CasuallyComics Morrison stuff involving the original Batwoman was complicated if you take continuity on account. I think that in this case he went along with as many elements he could from his original story not taking into account the New 52. Thanks for your reply and I hope you continue Batwoman s story. And even Bette Kane s which also is a continuity mess.
They actually killed her off about 5 issues before I started reading comics on a regular basis so It wasn't until they reprinted some of the stories she was in that I knew more about her than she was dead. I will say that I agree that there was some potential for growth there, although with the introduction of Barbara Gordon as Batgirl they would have had to figure out something to do with Betty. I dob;t remember what issue it was but there was an issue where they had the Earth-1 Batman work with the Earth-2 Batwoman the only thing I really remember about that story was how unsettling each of them found it to be working with the doppelganger of the one they knew that was dead. Over all, though, I can see why she had such a fan following.
As an aside if you wanted to do series on short lived female characters modeled after male heroes there was a character called Arrowette, who appeared in a Green Arrow story and who, like Batwoman had her weapons designed out of female items (like a needle and thread arrow or a kerchief arrow, and I think she even had a hairpin arrow, but don't hold me to that it has been a few years since I read the story). Also like Batwoman, at the end of the story, Green Arrow convinced her that crime fighting was too dangerous and she gave it up, again a bit too easily for someone that had modeled herself on a hero and spend all the time training to develop the skills needed to emulate him...but those were stories of the Silver Age and...well...you know...Even the long standing female characters weren't taken as seriously as they could have been. I mean how many times in Justice Society or Justice League stories was Wonder Woman taken prisoner or in some way in need of saving? She was great in the own title but put her in a team book and all of a sudden she's the damsel in distress...
I'm nearing 65 and I still enjoy comics. I love your Batman voice, always makes me laugh. Thank you for your thoughtful treatments of comics. Great channel!
"Flashing" Batwoman...well, that's one but distract the criminal!
I now want an offhand comment about Kate Kane's recent Trap Album and it getting mediocre but passable success in the Gotham streets
DC should publish a Lavender Man & watch some close minded heads explode. 🤯 Sasha if you’re ever experiencing unwanted attention do your Batman voice and watch them run the other way. ☺️
So this was batwoman origin story....until 10 years ago a certain mad man called Grant Morrison recontextualized this very same story in Batman inc using the very same pages and style.
How is Grant Morrison a Madman
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 Because only a madman or a genius (or a bit of both) can think to reprise all the strange and curious batman silver age adventures and managing to make them work in the modern era Batman.
It was a very brilliant operation and all worked so well,until the reboot came...
@@alessandrolenares8563 that is very true
Honestly they way Dick kept reacting to Batwoman it basically confirms, in my mind, that at the very least Dick *wanted* Batman's.... Richard
Wait a minute... Kathy was a single socialite, living on her own in the big city,, who'd go out at night wearing a skintight outfit in whatever time it was this comic came out.... I get very strong lesbian vibes from that 🤷♂️
Why did I come here? Why does Batwoman have the same name as the co-creator of Batman? When will we hear the best Peter Parker voice? why does Robin speak in Batman's voice during the failed jewel heist? I want answers. It's over, Kathy.
I think batman waisted his time with all his training. Everybody body else seems to be just as good as he is with a third of the training.
I like Kathy Kane's character, also really like her costume and think she is more interesting than the modern Batwoman. Probably only helped cement Bruce's ambiguously gay status tho. lmao
Pre-Crisis Kathy Kane: Loves Batman. Isn't related to Batman. Is straight.
Post Crises (CW) Kate Kane: Likes Batman (platonic). IS related to Batman. Is a lesbian.
Don't get me wrong. The Batwoman relaunch comic book series was VERY well written, fit with post-Crisis continuity, and I LOVE her character!
It didn't take Batman, Nightwing, and Robin long to accept her as an equal.
Then the "woke" movement started, and some really bad writers at the CW decided that being Batman's equal wasn't enough. Batwoman had to "replace" Batman as Gotham's defender.
Even THEN it wasn't enough! They had to KILL a Batman in the CW Crisis crossover. Yeah they did Batman and Kevin Conroy dirty.
The Batman Family(?) comic where she and Bruce are married and she exposes him. Dream sequence or something like that. I haven't had it since I traded it for a vid cam in the mid 80's, My fav appearance of her
Great video! I recent bought a copy of Detective Comics 233 from Heritage Auctions. I like the character. I think it is cool way of looking at female empowerment. She wasn't trying to be a man but was a real woman fighting crime using her feminine powers. She was probably the archetype for the character in Despicable Me 2.
I like her using female products that's kind of what makes her cool to me. The battle of the sexes should women versus men instead of women trying to be men. Sad they killed her off. Also sad that she was replaced by lesbian who lacked all of the traits that showcase the power and strength of a natural woman. Feminine does have to mean weak. The great women who dominated over men didn't do so by becoming as manly as men but used their natural talents like beauty, seduction, and cunning.
7:40 I feel like Batwoman could probably do a kickass portrait blindfolded
This is a very nice look for you. Thanks for the video.
Please do a video about DC's The Kingdom from 1999. A Batowman statue impacts the plot.
We do what we want, we talk what we want, we wig what we want
This might be one of the best Casually Comics episodes. The cultural analysis, and the branding iconography were tight. And wig or real, Sasha was rocking the blue and black with her outfit. Allk together , I think it represents what makes Casually Comics different than any other comics UA-cam channel.