The Death Star's Hidden Feature - it could CARRY STAR DESTROYERS! | Star Wars Lore
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2019
- Yep, the Death Star carried Star Destroyers in its hangars.
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We look at the Death Star in Star Wars Legends and Canon, including the fact that the massive battlestation could carry Star Destroyers!
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#askeck This photo may interest you: vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/be/Death_Star_Drydock.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20070222140438
It shows the Death Star drydock with and ISD and SSD under construction.
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#AskEck That art at 0:47 was made after Episode 2 right? Because of the Acclamator looking vessel I was thinking it was unless it was a coincidence from before the film was made...
@@26th_Primarch No, Dark Empire was made in the early 90's.
The next time the SSD Executor tries to dock with the DS2, it should probably request clearance first.
And actually, aim for a hanger instead of trying to make one itself lol
Only because piett was a fool
Ever notice how you can't see a curve in that scene? Flat death star confirmed! Either that or its bigger than an actual planet.
@@DeathBYDesign666 or maybe its a moon.
@@awhahoo that's not a moon -obi wan kenobi
I honestly never thought about this, but it makes sense. Honestly it would be strange if it didn't carry them.
True, Star Destroyers do need refit and resupply.
Indeed. And a mobile drydock (possibly with limited shipyard facilities) would be absolutely invaluable for force projection. Beats having to send damaged or older ships all the way to Kuat.
yeah. it makes sense. i mean it is a base.
Evil Ash It’s not a base, it’s a super weapon.
@@hoodratv3 The Death Star, in both Ep. IV and Ep. VI, were referred to as "stations" (i.e the space equivalent of planetary bases).
If the Death Stars were *just* superweapons, there would've been no reason to construct the massive shell and all of the internal compartments within it that were necessary to house and sustain a population of two million people around the superlaser.
See, the Empire included that feature so they could claim the tax write off for also being a transport. Smart credits makes credits.
By that logic they could have done the same for most of their fleet as most of the ships can carry some form of smaller ship. At smallest a TIE fighter.
Lol. I'm 90% sure your joking, but in case you're not, it would be stupid unnecessary bureaucracy for a government to tax its own spending.
@@kevinshu4883 It may be stupid but we are talking about bureaucracies here, they're known to do all sorts of stupid things simply because it might have made sense to do at one time and were never told to stop doing it.
@@Riceball01 Except the Empire is a dictatorship. Bureaucracy is still everywhere, but that's mainly because the Empire is just far too large for one person to micromanage. Any pet projects of the Emperor, like the Death Star, would almost certainly be free of any red tape or bureaucracy, aside for the most token of gestures.
I'm pretty sure that "nationalized" assets and projects are tax exempt.
I kinda always thought when the Devastator first approached the Death Star in ANH that it was docking. Looks like this was the case.
I agree. Also, the quote about having Tarkin's ship standing by now makes more sense.
It's call a space station for a reason. The big death laser is just a bonus. Honestly it makes a great emergency capital in case Corruscant falls.
Or is destroyed to the point of not being usable as a capital
@@TJackson736 That's why it's mobile. Just GTFO! somewhere away from whatever. While the the Star Destroyers is use to hold the enemy at bay. I mean I prefer it over the Harpers Queen mother mothership.
Well it *might* work assuming they cover up that exhaust port with something.
@@jpham1026 Well actually the exhaust is fine as it is. Unless you have force powers or suicidal. There's no way in hell can those torpedo turn complete 90 degrees straight down the hole without assistance from something at those speed.
@@dariustiapula apparently has seen the Death Star Architect Speaks Out ua-cam.com/video/agcRwGDKulw/v-deo.html
While it was never mentioned in the movies, why wouldn't it?
It's a station, so naturally, it should be able to dock all kinds of ships, and it's certainly big enough.
AT MINIMUM, id expect it to be able to supply and repair it's escort fleet.
Honestly, I always though of the Death Star as a moving Space Station with a Super Weapon, it wouldnt be crazy to think it would come with the ability to build new ISDs in case its ISD escort fleet was destroyed, lost or relocated.
it should have been mentioned
@@gasmaskgaming7550
Why?
What's your reasoning?
Imagine, They actually put that obscure background detail there just so somebody could pick it up and realize...
They lost a planet buster, a station, a shipyard. They essentially lost a whole planet
@@bogustoast22none25 Sounds like they put all their eggs in one basket. What a shame.
I always assumed that when that Imperial officer was telling Tarkin that his ship was standing by to evacuate at Yavin, he was referring to a Star Destroyer, which I further assumed was docked within the Death Star.
Man, even for Tarkin, that would be some hubris just letting a Star Destroyer sit in its hanger during an attack.
“Your overconfidence is your weakness.”
I always imagined the ship he was referring to was some luxury space yacht.
@@screamingcactus1753 makes sense for Tarkin, though. Dude was notoriously arrogant.
but he said it was an escape pod
When the game Force Unleashed was lunch one picture used as art conceptual for the game was a picture of a Star Destroyer under construction inside a hangar of the Death Star.
There's a part in the wii version where you can see one inside a giant hanger.
@@justice9539 i believe in the ps2 version as well.
Mr skelebone same game, just different platforms.
In the PSP version there's a whole bunch of them docked inside.
Yeah but game can be different depending on what console you're playing on. In the PSP version you can see star Destroyers in the Death Star.
Oh my goodness, you have a great eye! 👍 In my own head canon the Death Star could do that, but I would have never recognized that scene if it wasn’t pointed out.
I still can’t see it :/
I also can't see it.
I cant see it either
Speaking of the Tarkin Doctrine and wanting a Death Star in every sector, I remember the first Star Wars Infinities comic series where it showed dozens of "Justice Stars" orbiting Coruscant for a celebration.
#askeck are there any intergalactic fast food restaurants in the Star Wars galaxy? Like an intergalactic chick fil a?
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Well there is one joint called Power Sliders on Abafar in TCW. Seems to be a hamburger bar :)
Don't know about fast food. But, I hear the Death Star food court serves a great pasta penne arrabbiata.
Episode 2... obiwan goes to the fast food diner
McBoonta’s Burgers! Popular throughout the Core and Midrim; franchises are just popping up in the Outer Rim. What the burgers are made of varies depending on planet; with the exception of the vegetarian “Jedi Special” (some Jedi think it’s a galactic plot to help identify Jedi; even though vegetarians across the galaxy order it).
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The Death Star is one thick boi if that's the case.
I've always thought that the Death Star(s) had some sort of capital-ship docking capability. After all, neither of them had actual sublight engines, only a hyperdrive. So I always thought they would get tugged/pushed into position by a compliment of ISDs. The orientation of the one in that shot from Rogue One (i.e - engines away from the station), would definitely support this idea. Similarly, I always thought the Stars had at least some sort of production capability, for both starfighters and larger ships.
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I have a pretty unique suggestion for a ship for you to cover. The battleship Halberd form ssb/kirby. WAIT DON’T LEAVE JUST HEAR ME OUT. I find this ship to quite interesting. And surprisingly powerful.
When you first look at the ship you see that it is completely COVERED in weapons. And upon further inspection you see that the weapons are pretty well placed and allow the weapons to focus their firepower on a target in front of it. And also has weapons facing backwards and side. The weapon placement provides full coverage. The ship has no blind spots. Speaking of weaponry, the guns are Very powerful and varied. We have seen the cannons fire flak shells, beams, and pulsed energy projectiles in the games and even managed to shoot down Dyna blade. Which we have seen tank multiple large explosions without any visible damage. It was also able to destroy three Destroyas, which have shields that could easily shrug off artillery powerful enough to knock a meteor off course. However the most impressive weapon in its arsenal is the Combo Cannon. It has both an extremely powerful superlaser, and a large cannon.ua-cam.com/video/JRmJV-g-so0/v-deo.html
The defensive feats are not AS impressive.(the ship has been destroyed multiple times). The is said to have a shield, but it is only mentioned and is never actually shown (make of that what you will). However the armor is extremely durable. It took three shots from a cannon that was physically larger than the ship itself.
However its most impressive feature has to be its absurd speed and maneuverability:. Despite being a ~400 meter ship with a full crew it moves like a starfighter. The engines and hull are even powerful enough to ram another ship, as seen here: ua-cam.com/video/on3CAKYK2L8/v-deo.html
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But who am I kidding this is a dumb suggestion right?
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How did the Empire tried to cover up Palpatine's Death in Canon and Legends?
In the X-wing series (Legends) the Empire admitted his death but claimed he was trying to plea with the Rebels to not build THEIR Death Star and he and Vader sacrificed themselves to to stop them
The empire covered it by telling he died because of a heart stroke
The he exploded
In canon the empire tried in some systems to dismiss the claims for his death by making propaganda on how "the rebels failed" with the attack on the DS 2". An example for this is the iron blockade in the anoat sector where they blocked the systems so that no one learns about his death.
Now that I think about it, it so is possible and probably good and compulsory.
Well you have to consider the death star wasn't ever really "operational" it was always basically in what the navy would call "shakedown cruise" if you had one that was in service for say a decade or more I'm sure having a ship yard and a multitude of features that was never dreamed of in film would come to be.
If you played Empire At War (The original, not FoC) You'd see it has a fleet of Star Destroyers in that game
I believe that in both games, it comes with population limit-free ISDs, and VCDs.
I love the idea of carrying and deploying star destroyers, there is plenty of room. Even for the executor. Great video!
1: If capital ships can make hyperspace jumps with fighters docked in their hangars, the Death Star should certainly be capable of the same even with Star Destroyers.
2: I don't feel that "indirect kills" should count for a pilot's total. Isn't taking down a Death Star enough of an achievement? :D
3: I could see the Death Star's massive hangars being able to repair and resupply capital ships, but building a whole vessel from scratch is probably outside the scope of the station. I'd actually be curious to know how self-sufficient the Death Star was intended to be. The amount of materials and components needed just to maintain the thing has to be absolutely staggering.
I always thought of something like this
A massive vessel that could carry star destroyers
I never thought about this, and now I can't stop
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I always assumed it could carry ISD’s. It wouldn’t make sense if it couldn’t.
Yeah, same here. When the Millennium Falcon is tractored in during A New Hope it's clearly parked in one of the smaller hangars.
Yet they couldnt just launch an assault on Yavin...
@@Akeno0002 empire arrogance, they don't see the need so they didn't
#AskEck can u do Androids/Cyborgs compare?
Cylons
Cyberlife
Institute
Skynet
Cylons, Skynet, Tyrell Corp, and Weyland-Yutani would be cooler
Godzilla Boi don’t forget the good old geth
Hmmm maybe do them separately. Androids are self aware machines and cyborgs are people that are part machine. I read a paper in my collage biology classes that considered people with pace makers as cyborgs. My question is are droids androids?
Imagine if there was a whole fleet of SDs and support ships docked inside, and deployed during the fourth movie.
I don't think even Luke could've gotten through that...
No star destroyers at Yavin is one of those Fridge Logic things you don't think of until well after you watched the movie.
It would have made sense for the Death Star to carry ISDs and deploy them to intercept rebel ships trying to escape Yavin... which, strangely, they didn't try to do.
In real life, the explanation likely is that nobody thought of it, and they wouldn't have had the FX budget anyway.
The best in-universe explanation that I can come up with is that the newly completed Death Star had yet to receive its full complement of ISDs, and the ones it did have were dispatched to Dantooine to deal with Princess Leia's fictional base.
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Star Wars Blasters vs Halo Plasma Weaponry. Which one do you think is objectively better?
Not Eco but I can say covenant weaponry is deadlier.
It goes onto detail on the books about how a single shot would burn through the armor and get the flesh inside.
While SW blaster do this as well, we see how a shot to the arm, whole burning it, leaves it still in place and somewhat operational.
In halo the plasma would burn your arm down to the bone, and it would fall off. Not to mention the splash damage that might catch others.
I'd say Star Wars blasters, for a few reasons.
Star Wars blaster bolts are more often depicted travelling faster than Halo plasma bolts. Halo plasma weaponry may be more destructive on a shot-for-shot basis, but their bolts' slow speed would make them inherently less accurate than a blaster. You can physically see a plasma bolt coming, and move to avoid it or duck behind cover. While blaster bolts - though not moving quite as fast as regular Earthly bullets - seem to move faster than any human could reasonably react to. Less accuracy = less reliability in landing one's shots. Less reliable hits = more wasted ammo, which adds up to a massive drain on military resources over time.
Furthermore, Halo plasma weapons demand their users get very, very close to their targets before they can reliably hit anything. Within about 30-40 metres or so. An English war bow from the Middle Ages could shoot further than that. Meanwhile Earthly infantry rifles can hit and kill targets up to 500 metres away. Star Wars blasters seem to have comparable effective ranges, though we've never got definite numbers as far as I know. And Star Wars blasters don't seem to suffer from bullet-drop, which would only make them easier for infantry to aim effectively.
Oh yes, and Star Wars blasters are more often depicted as having iron-sights or optics mounted on them, so the user could actually aim them accurately. Meanwhile, hardly any Covenant plasma weapons have iron sights, optics, or aiming assists of any kind. So a user of such weapons couldn't even reliably hit a stationary target with a single shot.
I think you hit a key point about seeing PART of a star destroyer. My belief is that it was also used to house PARTS of a star destroyer so it was a portable maintenance station too.
It has at least one full drydock capable of full ship construction. It may also have what you mentioned, but I do think that was simply the rear view of a complete star destroyer. Examples of parts of star destroyers would be spare turbolasers and engines down to nuts and bolts, not an entire complete rear of a star destroyer. How often is there going to be a situation where you need to replace the entire rear of an ISD? Damage that catastrophic would blow the whole ship up.
Doesn't that contradict the rivalry between the advocators of a strong fleet
and the advocators of the Death Star?
Perhaps it was a compromise to try and please both sides.
No, it's not contradictory, because the resources put into building the DS battlestations still prevented the construction of many, many conventional ships.
So in your mind a rivalry means these various admirals and military leaders are going to disobey the emperor when he says “park your fucking ships in this battle station!” ?
Besides, we do see the fleet acting in support of Death Star 2. So if anything hard canon shits all over this supposed rivalry if you think it means ships and stations somehow can’t mix🤷♂️
Honestly, this was my headcanon long before I actually knew it could carry and service ISDs. It just makes so much sense from a logistical standpoint. It's essentially a massive super-dreadnought that was also, in its own right, a military ecumenopolis. It'd be stupid to not have at least a couple docking ports for your main battleships.
Still going.
Cylons vs UNSC.
Also just Halo content in general.
Yes
Type-47A(H2) scarab vs type-47B(H3,reach,odst) scarab vs Banished scarab vs Volatile scarab
So the Death Star does have some use, at least.
don't forget the the Comic Book Visionaris, which gave us also the image of the Death Star Drydock, housing not only several ISDs, but also an Exekutor SSD.
And i always thought that the ISD in ANH would be docked, given that angle it approached the Death Star
Huh, I never noticed that scene in Rogue One. That makes a lot of sense actually.
I haven't seen your other channel but from the reference in this video I like the idea. It's more engaging. Kudos muchacho
Eck, I was listening to the video while walking around my room and doing stuff, and I look out my room, I see a full moon, and my heart skipped a beat before I realized what I was truly looking at.
This is really cool, just awesome how these new things are discoverd even after 3 years!
Love that SWTOR intro going in the background @2:42! Nice Ecks...👍
I love your outro and above all the best videos
Awesome find. Thanks for the video.
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Honestly I haven't seen this one until now the but I salute those with persistence.
@@Dunarcarn same.
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Why thank you good sir.
The destruction of the galaxy
Wow I just saw this today when I searched for "drydock star wars"
Great you made a video about it!
Back from liking some japanese stuff ( not the extremley popular ones like anime and manga) and man I forgot how joyful and calming your intro was, and how much I loved your vids.
#AskEck This question ties in with the one from this episode.
If Eta-2 starfighters are only piloted by jedi and not clones, why does a standard Venator carry around 192 of them, when they could just use about 10 Eta-2 and fill the space with ARC-170 or V-wings?
That's so easy I'll do it... it takes about 191 destroyed ETA-2 for a Jedi commander to actually die. They are very good at surviving.
I don't know if you made a video on it
#AskEck how did both the Jedi and Sith originate? How did they get their ideals and philosophies
That is a very interesting idea.
Thank you, EckhartsLadder.
That’s so cool! I’d never even considered that it could carry ISD’s but it makes perfect sense!
I mean the star destroyer docking bay is where they build it, a star destroyer is the capital of the fleet. It is used as a vehicle, but also used as an office. The death star is more of a home however the star destroyer stays in space, it moves as the fleet moves, the tie fighters are made for transport but a star destroyer is used more as a captain.
I honestly did notice this myself, but I had to rewatch it several times just to make sure I wasn't seeing things. I was wondering when one of my star wars channels was going to bring this up. Good eye sir!
This explains why there were no ISDs at the assault on the first Death Star
Was pretty strongly implied in A New Hope too, you see the ISD flying right towards it not angling off to make orbit or anything.
Sweet educational video!
Makes sense. Iserlohrn Fortress from Legend of Galactic Heroes is of similar size and power to DS, though not mobile. It’s essentially a full service naval base capable of servicing its organic defense fleet.
Though 20,000 ships under Yang Wen-li would crush the empire.
Very cool video!
I've never noticed that Star Destroyer docked with the Death Star in Rogue One, thanks for pointing that out! That's awesome!
A very long time ago, even before the Prequels, there was talk about the unfinished part of the Death Star 2 was hangers for the Imperial fleet. That's why it was fully operational and yet incomplete. But that was a nice catch from Rogue One.
Space battleship Yamato vs death star.
Wave Motion Gun would slice right through the Death Star like it wasn't even there....
In The Force Unleashed videogame, the final stage takes place in the unfinished Death Star 1. As you walk from the entrance of one the hangars towards the inner sections, you can see plenty of star destroyers docked inside the station. They could be taking part in the construction process, or they could be actually stationed there.
It’s so funny, I was just watching rogue one and that scene had brought me to this video... I didn’t notice the star destroyer but it brought the question to my mind
Awesome video.
Eck, could you do some analyzing of Knightmare Frames?
That actually makes sense especially for the Tarkin Doctrine.
In the expansion of Empire at War, The Second Death Star gave you a free Star Destroyer every time you entered battle
Love your videos! Is there any chance you could do a Fallout topic such as discussing Mr House, the institute, the NCR etc etc?
I agree, it would have made sense to have a shipyard built into the death star, or at the very least, just hangers for a support fleet
Recently I have read a series of book by David Weber which explores the idea of massive, Death Star-esque battle stations. I would love to see you discuss more of Weber's work, especially in comparison to other fiction and writing. I feel that you would get a real kick out of his Honor Harrington series, especially with all of the detail he and the fans of the series go through to flesh out his work.
It was a mobile shipyard and naval base. It could support a fleet of Star Destroyers allowing the Death Star to dominate a sector without showing its self
I had never thought of it before reading lost stars, but when I did, I did make the correct assumption that they docked to an internal bay.
When I was a kid, you know every kid goes utterly insane with their creations? I used to imagine a death star so insanely big it would have a ring of super destroyers docked all around it
If you look at the headsets you see jedi wearing when piloting both kinds of Jedi starfighter they wrap around the forehead. I remember reading somewhere that this was supposed to be an experimental neural interface that jedi were able to make work because they were force sensitive while "normal" pilots usually weren't. This allowed for much quicker reactions and more complex maneuvers than manual fighter controls would otherwise permit.
That is really useful
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I remember the old book that said that the death star didn’t just have big star destroyer hangers, it’s actually a dry dock, yup they are manufacturing star destroyers in there as well
Makes sense actually, "Battlesstation", not much of one if it's really just their verses version to an extremely odd an large shaped A-10 Warthog, an built around the main gun. A space station of THAT size should I'd imagine also be able to not only house huge ships like Star Destroyers but launch, fit, repair and perhaps even make them.. Thatd be disheartening to even a large Vong fleet.. moving in to attack the Death Star which only looks fairly unprotected and then suddenly parts open up an an Armada of large SDs sail out accompanied by swarms of TIEs and support ships of every type and size.. Thatd be pretty much EVERY other SW factions Worst nightmare case scenario. I believe Vong agents even hinted as much. An you had to know such scenarios kept Rebel Leadership awake at night for years
Honestly, it is actually explains why there was no fleet at Yavin. They were docked within the Death Star and Tarkin was too arrogant to deploy them
One sharp eye you got there Eck! 👁️👍
when the death star goes into hyperspace all support ships including many star destroyers dock within the death stars shell therefore saving fuel and also allowing for huge assault on any target .repairs and arming can take place during transit and also allowing crews some rest and relaxation time with friends and family who lived and worked full time on the death star .
Mandator vs. Subjugator
UNSC Infinity vs. Any ship of your choosing
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United Mass Effect galaxy + the Reapers vs a Yuzhan vong invasion (Star Wars).
Yeah, it does make sense. I thought there was an old concept art of showing this exact feature way before canon outright confirms it but it's been wayyyy long since I saw that...unless that was all in my head.
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That’s...brilliant honestly. A space station with hangars for Star Destroyers and a super weapon!
Thank you! I asked this of several sw youtubers a while back and no one had an answer.
That is quite cool.
Having a built-in shipyard actually makes sense for a station of this size.
There was some Legends artwork of an ISD being built/repaired at a DS.
I always thought the sheer scale of the Death Star was a bit hard to swallow. A 120-km sphere would have an absolutely massive volume and mass, far more than would be required for housing a planet-killing weapon. Even cutting it down to 60km would still be utterly gargantuan, and I don't think even a mobile shipyard would be enough to justify that kind of size.
Makes perfect sense! It is a moon-sized space station/super weapon after all.
This is extremely interesting.
The scene of the Death Star trench when Krennic departs, clearly does show a docked Imperial Star Destroyer. However, after reading all the technical companions and guides, it stated nothing larger than a Strike Cruiser was carried. Food for thought.
Damn a Death Star in every sector, crazy.
When he asked if it counted as extra star destroyer kills for Luke if they were docked in the first death star, the only thing that came to mind was LOTR, "That still only counts as one!" Lol
If the rebellion was able to capture a Star destroyer they could fill it with some heavy/high explosive and possibly get an imperial traitor to get the ship into the Death Star and have it explode.
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Can you talk about our lord and saivor: The Halo Valiant Class Superheavy Cruiser/BattleCruiser?
The neck of the star destroyer at the rogue one scene looks actually a bit like a super star destroyer
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Interesting. And honestly all of this would make sense. The Death stars were such massive bases that like Eck says, giving them docking/repair bays big enough for Star Destroyers makes sense. Besides, it would probably end up saving money and it's not like this wasn't already a massive drain on the economy. Might as well make the totally indestructible planet killing bases carry the defense fleet. Heck, if the Tarkin doctrine worked then they could keep the smaller ships docked there almost permanently and save money there as well as no one would dare oppose the Empire.