EVERY Era of Super Star Destroyer and Dreadnought (Star Wars Legends)

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  • @parminderjaura5642
    @parminderjaura5642 4 роки тому +249

    "Not much bigger than a modern ssd"
    Well of course, mine is 2tb.

  • @TheArklyte
    @TheArklyte 4 роки тому +155

    I feel like Star Wars doesn't know why it's having all those oversized ships. Ships get bigger and bigger, but the point of their creation becomes more and more vague.

    • @punctuationman334
      @punctuationman334 4 роки тому +38

      TheArklyte the biggest problem in Star Wars is that it constantly tries to one up itself. Death Star 1 gets destroyed, so let’s make an even BIGGER Death Star. Oh that one is gone, let’s make an even bigger death star that destroys entire solar systems! It isn’t always in size either. You have shit like the sun crusher in legends which is just a bit bigger than your average star fighter and can fuck entire solar systems anyways. Star Wars needs to stop doing this, it’s annoying as hell.

    • @TechnoMinarchist
      @TechnoMinarchist 4 роки тому +21

      At the end of the day, all of the SSDs are mostly meaningless outside of the Eclipse and the Bellator.
      Making a ship any larger than these or making other types is meaningless as those two classes already achieve everything required for combat.
      The only thing that you would do next if you could find a reason to make a larger ship is to have one that carries star destroyers and would be used for expansion beyond Imperial space, acting as a mobile invasion headquarters.

    • @yagdtigercommander
      @yagdtigercommander 4 роки тому +9

      @@punctuationman334 Its not so much that it is Star wars itself. Its the nature of old Sheev Palpatine hes not only compensating for a lack of something. But also hes a dramatic character that has to make his point in the most over the top manner. He just can't be the evil emperor of the galaxy he has to be the evil emperor with epic show pieces that do really cool things but are impractical and huge waste of taxpayer dollars in the Star Wars universe. Yes I admit even I like the impractical AT -AT walker. But the Death Stars and imperial Super Star destroyers make building a 6 story walker look like a wise investment. XD.
      Also it doesn't help that the writers framed Palpatine to be that way with the script lol.

    • @punctuationman334
      @punctuationman334 4 роки тому +3

      Drew Thatcher star killer base, the sun crusher, and the eclipse were put in to the Star Wars story after Palpetine’s death.

    • @yagdtigercommander
      @yagdtigercommander 4 роки тому +3

      I wasn't saying every example just a lot of them. And well to be fair both in legends and cannon now he does comeback from the dead if only briefly only to die again. yes I know like half those things were after his death or at least first known death. However I am sure he gave inspiration at least for star killer base to any idiot's of the first order who Idealized him.
      Its not just palpatine but he played a large role in the whole i need something stupid big and i want it right now and if that stupid big thing is destroyed make an even bigger stupid thing.
      Also that is just part of the fun i guess for the creators of star wars to see what grand project we can do next just because and since it is sci fi fantasy where space wizards can be a thing I guess planet sized starbase's that destroy planets is okay.
      Not that I disagree with the point you are trying to make. Just that old Sheev had to do everything over top along with the writers/ creators of star wars even after the emperors death in the stories.
      Its not like its an Historical piece like the movie dunkirk , midway or 1917 were you can be like that was was bs right there that didn't actually happen during the war or something like that.
      Again not that you can't take issue with craziness or stupidity of star wars at time. But the creators can be like this isn't real we can one up ourselves as much as we want as its not based of true events that we have to stick to with not a lot of holly wood liberties to take or other wise they are doing history a dis service.
      Just saying they can say whatever they want about the reasoning for their over the top decision where you or I agree with them. And Characters like Palpatine only further exaggerate such dumb as hell projects. Even I was like wtf was old sheev thinking with the Death Star one and 2 he must have been high as fuck lmao.

  • @republic9299
    @republic9299 4 роки тому +86

    The Bellator is one of the best SSDs ever made. It had enough firepower to outgun almost any ship but had the speed and versatility to compete with ships of lesser types.

    • @Duchess_Van_Hoof
      @Duchess_Van_Hoof 4 роки тому +8

      It is one of my favourite Star Wars ship just because it is a more practical and sensible Star Dreadnought than all others, it is shorter but still large enough to outgun any battlecruiser and even entire fleets. These days I am split between that one and the Executor, the latter for how well it suits itself for narrative purposes.
      The Executor is everything that is wrong with the Galactic Empire in a singular ship model.

    • @revanruler6404
      @revanruler6404 3 роки тому +2

      @@Duchess_Van_Hoof i personally love the vengeance but mostly for the design alone

    • @Darkknight-hu5sj
      @Darkknight-hu5sj 3 роки тому +3

      Seconded. The Bellator chooses its role (pure firepower) and it does it perfectly.

  • @chaosphoenix2838
    @chaosphoenix2838 4 роки тому +69

    Suggestion: every era of carriers

  • @lordpuggles1111
    @lordpuggles1111 4 роки тому +294

    Here before Yoda crashes the Death Star into Coruscant

    • @eliteflare6063
      @eliteflare6063 4 роки тому +12

      Good reference

    • @judehamer3727
      @judehamer3727 4 роки тому +9

      Lord Puggles such a wild comic

    • @robertnelson9599
      @robertnelson9599 4 роки тому +13

      @stockart whiteman There is a trilogy of books based on what would happen if certain events in the Original Trilogy changed.

    • @frozarburst6350
      @frozarburst6350 4 роки тому +11

      Oh yeah. THAT comic XD

    • @Musikur
      @Musikur 3 роки тому +1

      So few people have seen that, it's sad. Especially the ANH one was brilliant

  • @greysevenfourprime3992
    @greysevenfourprime3992 4 роки тому +130

    Xim the Despot is basically Ozymandias at this point.

  • @typhoonoftempest
    @typhoonoftempest 4 роки тому +12

    If they had taken a 5km+ vessel but gave it a few, massively scaled up turrets, you could get an awesome station/planet siege engine that could also take out other ships at extreme range, much like the Supremacy.

  • @DocWolph
    @DocWolph 4 роки тому +38

    Clipper
    Corvette
    Frigate
    Cruiser
    Destroyer
    Battlecruiser
    Battleship
    Dreadnought
    Battle Fortress
    Fortress Moon
    Fortress Planet

    • @alejandroelluxray5298
      @alejandroelluxray5298 4 роки тому +4

      And the gunboats?

    • @zenebean
      @zenebean 4 роки тому +5

      @@alejandroelluxray5298 I imagine it would be smaller than a clipper, being more like a beefy starfighter with more power and armor

    • @alejandroelluxray5298
      @alejandroelluxray5298 4 роки тому +1

      @@zenebean I was talking about ships like the Brahatok

    • @zenebean
      @zenebean 4 роки тому

      @@alejandroelluxray5298 then between clipper and corvette probably

    • @akumaking1
      @akumaking1 4 роки тому +1

      Thanks dude

  • @nuancedhistory
    @nuancedhistory 4 роки тому +8

    The Star of Coruscant in SWTOR classifies in the dreadnaught range. We can't measure it, but the model in the game (which is just a wall) is scaled to like 10+ kilometers if you actually open it up.

  • @ki-adimundi8695
    @ki-adimundi8695 4 роки тому +9

    When I saw the tumbnail I thought I was recommended a video about pre historic spears

  • @Wastydest
    @Wastydest 4 роки тому +61

    Nebula vs. -Imperious- Pelleaon
    Resurgent vs. MC 85
    Bellator vs. Resurgent
    Starhawk vs. Nebula
    Nebula+Endurance vs. Resurgent
    Who would win? #StarshipVersus #AskEck

    • @skyfox0096
      @skyfox0096 4 роки тому +3

      Imperious easy claps all of them

    • @skyfox0096
      @skyfox0096 4 роки тому +3

      I mean, the Alliance took on the entire firepower of the imperial outer rim third fleet, some 9 Ardent-class frigates, and 7 pellaeon class destroyers. All that without its shield falling completely. Further more it has way more fire power then a pellaeon and gravity mines to interdict and keep ships from jumping to hyper space. Simply said, the Imperious class is a pocket star dreadnought, on that I think can take on any SSD short of the Eclipse, even then I think it could tank a super laser shot or 2.

    • @Sierlea
      @Sierlea 4 роки тому +2

      The Imperious is a pretty definite sign on how shields and weapons have increased in the legacy era. It's probably got the highest ratio of power-per-effectiveness of any capital ship, though a big enough disparity in size could beat it in firepower even there it's noted for being fast for it's size and can claim advantageous positions to give it a shot.

    • @hell2gophone
      @hell2gophone 4 роки тому

      U.S.S Vengeance Vs. Super Star Destroyer

    • @DarkApostleNoek
      @DarkApostleNoek 4 роки тому

      I also want to see
      resurgent class battlecruiser vs mc85 star cruiser

  • @jetheotaku
    @jetheotaku 4 роки тому +43

    When it comes to legends how come I can’t find anyone that covers the infinities side of it the stuff that was never canon to begin with like the force unleashed DLC and the comic based on a unused script for a new Hope that was vastly different from the final film

    • @jeromyskinner8359
      @jeromyskinner8359 4 роки тому +6

      Star wars comics has the droids you are looking for

  • @lenkagamine4145
    @lenkagamine4145 4 роки тому +4

    SSD's are heavily underestimated by the fanbase, I think. It seems really popular to say that very large ships are useless and everyone should just use nothing but smaller ships. But people just ignore the major advantages of a single large ship.
    Firstly, a singular very large ship can carry far more soldiers and material than an equivalent cost in smaller ships, making them more useful for planetary invasions. Plus, the weaponry of very large ships is more effective against planetary shields. So they make good siege ships.
    Second, a single very large ship is a better flagship. If you need your admiral to command from a position of power where they are harder to destroy then a single powerful ship will be harder for the enemy to destroy. If your flagship is jsut some random frigate the enemy will target it and destroy it very quickly, and you will lose your commander.
    Thirdly, small ships are more vulnerable to hit and run attacks. Large ships have powerful armor and shields; they either can, or cannot, be penetrated by enemy ships, and if they cant then no amount of hit and run or attrition tactics will break them. Many small ships on the other hand, you only need enough firepower to penetrate the defenses of a single enemy ship, and if you can accomplish that then you can kill them one by one. Similarly, when you have a singular large ship its harder to disrupt your total firepower, as unless your able to completely breach its defenses and destroy it your not able to even weaken the enemy fleet. Whereas, many small ships can be destroyed one-by-one, depriving the enemy fleet of their firepower and marines.

    • @delaindodantenne7765
      @delaindodantenne7765 4 роки тому

      true but all your points go out the window because of plot armour

    • @lenkagamine4145
      @lenkagamine4145 4 роки тому

      @@delaindodantenne7765 Sure, but smaller ships also go out the window because of plot armor, so if we're looking at it that way we might as well not even have these videos.
      But we still do. Why? cause its fun. Its always more entertaining to look at things from an in-universe perspective, even if we both know that regardless of fleet composition or tactics the empire will always lose because plot armor.

    • @yagdtigercommander
      @yagdtigercommander 4 роки тому

      I am not totally against Battleship and Dreadnought classes. I just see them as your ace card up your sleeve. You don't need to mass produce them to the point of standard capital ships. you just need enough of them to defend core and key locations while at the same time projecting a presence of power to anyone who considers to fuck with your faction lol.
      Most situations a heavy cruiser is fine as a flag ship of smaller patrol fleets dealing with pirates and insurgents a like or smaller conventional battles. Or as part of a small advance flotilla to the main force.
      Battlecruisers and dreadnoughts com in handy during a large naval engagement especially if you adversary has number advantage in capital ships as the bigger ships can be force multiplayer and dreadnoughts could easily take on multiple smaller capital ships one on one . But snub fighters can be a problem so it is always good to have small nimble corvettes and patrol craft along with anit -fighter frigates to support. As well as your own screen fighters and or gunships to.
      Dreadnoughts, Battleships and Battlecruiser's also tank damage acting as a shield or distraction for the rest of the fleet to flank and encircle the enemy limiting its effectiveness enemy ships are easily caught in a cross fire. Also having some interdicting ships could be handy to prevent the enemy from retreating allowing for total destruction of the enemy fleet or its surrender.
      I like having very large capital ships like dreadnoughts but because they are costly investment I rather have them in reserve or use them in battles were they can be me most effective or get the most usage out of.
      Like I am not gonna send a dreadnought after some slightly problematic back world faction or pirates and such. The job could easily be done with a few cruiser's comprised of heavy and lights. As well as a few destroyers and frigates with have a dozen corvettes . Like I am not gonna send a dreadnought with a small fleet of like 2 dozen or more ships with most being auxiliary ships or support ships. The Gas bill alone isn't worth it to hyperspace all the way their only to not contribute to the fight because the smaller capital ships were sufficient to deal with this small threat.
      Now if your Talking about a going to war with another faction that rivals you in battle or is seen a huge threat to area of controlled space and shipping lanes. Where you going to be fighting against's hundreds or thousands of enemy warships of all classes then yes I say its time to bring in the big guns of the fleet. Now having said that I would still want the crews to always at operational readiness meaning that their crews are well trained and prepared to fight when called upon that way the crews are prepared as much as they can be ahead of time.
      But that's just my take don't need dreadnoughts and Battleships all the time or even Battlecruiser's. But still handy to have when you need them. I say it is better to be prepared to have such tools around to use but not needed than needed but don't have the capabilities lol.

    • @Duchess_Van_Hoof
      @Duchess_Van_Hoof 4 роки тому

      Anytime you would ever use a star dreadnought in star wars, you could easily just use a battle cruiser for the same role. It is larger, better shielded, more heavily armoured and carries more guns than probably everything in the enemy fleet. It is an impressive flag ship, and everyone recognizes it on sight.
      And for a fraction of the cost.
      A Praetor or an Allegiance would dwarf an Imperial, which is already very bloated in comparison to its firepower and durability. Putting a giant infantry garrison on a battleship was a dumb idea to begin with.

  • @carl0061999
    @carl0061999 4 роки тому +1

    Orinda Campaign was a success for the Imperial Remnant. The final Imperial push in +17 was a complete disaster, as they went from around 35 sectors to 8.

  • @wilsthelimit
    @wilsthelimit 4 роки тому +9

    Going by the actual Dreadnought from WW1 I could see the Imperial Star Destroyer as a Dreadnought

    • @sirilluminarthevaliant2895
      @sirilluminarthevaliant2895 4 роки тому

      Nah. That would be a mon cal. star destroyers were all about the guns not really the protection

    • @wilsthelimit
      @wilsthelimit 4 роки тому

      Sir Illuminar The Valient Exactly, get one good hit on a Dreadnought/Battlecruiser from WW1, it all goes down. Besides, Dreadnoughts focused immensely on Guns and a little less on Protection, then again the Nebula class could be a good fit

    • @wilsthelimit
      @wilsthelimit 4 роки тому

      Sir Illuminar The Valient I’d suggest looking up the Battle of Jutland, the largest Battleship Brawl in history

    • @OrDuneStudios
      @OrDuneStudios 4 роки тому +1

      @@wilsthelimit Battle cruisers were unarmoured batleships with battleship riffles. They had 1 calibre main battery and were thus dreadnaughts.
      Battleships had armour and 1 calibre mainbattery thus dreadnaught.
      The mistake was bcruisers fighting bships when their job was to bully cruisers.

    • @wilsthelimit
      @wilsthelimit 4 роки тому

      TheSunkenCommander I see, so I can see the Imperial Star Destroyer more like a Battlecruiser due to its vulnerability’s and the Nebula Star Destroyer can be seen as a Dreadnought.

  • @Shortsircut1
    @Shortsircut1 4 роки тому +2

    Great video Eck, and still the best outro on the net!

  • @kingzilla9859
    @kingzilla9859 4 роки тому +11

    Galactic Battle - SONTARANS VS KLINGONS ( Dr Who vs Star Trek ).
    Ship Battle - BC-304 DAEDALUS CLASS BATTLECRUISER VS THE USS KELVIN NCC - 0514 ( Stargate vs Star Trek ).
    Respect Eck 😃👍🏻.

    • @cgi2002
      @cgi2002 4 роки тому +1

      Oh this sounds fun but a bit of a mismatch.
      Sontarans vs Klingons, in an all out war the Klingon Empire falls without causing the Sontarons to really notice they are in yet another war. It's a simple case of numbers and tech, the Sontarons outnumber the Klingons by a factor of thousands to millions to one, and have no sense of self preservation. As for tech, the Sontarons can blow up planets, and think nothing of doing it, the klingons lack this capability. Now in a pure ground battle with balanced forces, it's likely the klingons will win as the Sontarons will want to fight fair, and are weaker in melee than a Klingon.
      As for the Daedalus vs the Kelvin, pre-refit it's a hands down win for the Kelvin "if" it can bring down the Asguard sheilds. Post refit it's more balanced but again if the daedalus's sheilds can be brought down, it's the Kelvins win. Simply put, the Kelvin is throwing around firepower thats actually brokenly OP, its torpedoes have yields measured in hundreds of gigatons, and it's still only using early versions of the photon torpedo.

    • @kingzilla9859
      @kingzilla9859 4 роки тому

      cgi2002 Thank you for the info and I'm glad you like the idea I hope he decides to do it because it dose sound really fun especially with the factors you give again thank you for your input respect dude 😃👍🏻.

  • @ImperialsExplained
    @ImperialsExplained 4 роки тому +1

    I could watch videos covering Star Destroyers all day. Interesting review. Daala's SSD the Knighthammer sprung to mind too during this video.

  • @casbot71
    @casbot71 4 роки тому +78

    #AskEcks _What is the level of power increase of a Xyston from a Imperial One?_
    After taking into account the 50% size increase, how much more firepower does a Xyston have and *how would that scale to smaller ships?*
    Could you (or some super physics sci fi geek) do the math and then apply it to some pretty iconic Star Wars ships.
    Such as a _CR90_ Xyston variant.
    The Millennium Falcon (maybe fitted between the front prongs)
    The heavy Tie (it has a main gun location)
    A few of the standard snubfighters - including a Y wing with one fitted.
    And then for real laughs, hand weapons - obviously semi auto now with a _slow_ rate of fire.
    A tripod crew serviced blaster (don't mess with a Wookie).
    Chewies bowcaster (Wookies again)
    A Xyston E-11
    And Han's blaster (he takes out at least half the Mos Eisley Cantina along with Greedo - but if Greedo did fire first 🙄 then the near miss got Han and probably Greedo as well).
    _Power Creep, when you're out of original concepts … …_

    • @skyfox0096
      @skyfox0096 4 роки тому +9

      Welp, whilst not canon any longer, the Conqueror isd was a moded isd around 1ABY, and it had a superlaser with power equivalent to that of the eclipse. We all know that the first order was experimenting with miniaturized Death star tech. So add all the lessons learned from 35 or so years, some with sorcery , and palps just shouting DEW IT at the engineers for 30 years and the xyston, which is 1.5 time the size of the ISD could probably get to planet killing levels. Would be nice to get a concrete explanation though.

    • @samspeed6271
      @samspeed6271 4 роки тому +14

      A challenge? Great! Physics hat on, but I warn you, I'm working with some assumed data, so I may be a bit out on some things.
      So, to do a direct comparison is not really possible. We just don't have the data, and what little we have is, um, sketchy (Eck mentioned this in his vid about turbolasers. Bear in mind that Star Wars doesn't like obeying the laws of physics).
      So, we see in Star Wars Battlefront II 2005 in the campaign an ISD performing orbital bombardments. Specifically, at the end of the Hoth mission. Let's say the area targeted was 1 mile in radius and circular. To get a fireball of equal size, the zone of total death where everything is vaporised, you need 2 megatons of TNT or 8.368*10^15 joules. Let's say this ISD was giving it everything she had in that cutscene, the barrage lasted about 10 seconds. 8.368*10^14 Watts is its output.
      A vid I watched about how much energy the DS-1 would've needed to blow up Alderaan gave me the figure of 2.3*10^32 joules, or about 5.5*10^18 megatons of TNT. Because we're trying to compare the Xyston, not the Death Star, the total energy spent will be the same for the same target.
      As you can see, it's a big difference between a Xyston and an ISD.
      OK, so let's assume the Xyston took 10 minutes to destroy the planet (I can't remember how long it took in the film, plus there's editing cuts, so forgive me). That means it would've been able to sustain 3.833*10^29 Watts, or 458,094,327,597,195.6 times the power of an ISD. Maybe Han was right after all.
      These figures, to me, make the Xyston seem very OP. Even if we nerf the Xyston down a lot, so it took a day instead of 10 mins, that's still 3,181,210,608,313.858 times the power of an ISD for only a 1.5x rescale.
      Regardless, I hope you found this all interesting.

    • @Jfk2Mr
      @Jfk2Mr 4 роки тому +7

      According to square cube law, making dimensions 50% larger makes surface 1,5²=2,25 times larger and volume 1,5³=3,375 times larger. This is only rough estimate, as scale effect (a lot of internal stuff do not need to have multiplied dimensions), design and technology come into play. So I make educated guess that it would have about 4 ISD powerplant under assumption that it was made in exact technology that gave us ISD powerplant. Additionally, some of warship power used could be from capacitors which were charged when not in combat, but for our purposes we assume that both vessels did not use this feature

    • @sylamy7457
      @sylamy7457 4 роки тому +6

      All of you guys took this, and did exactly what Casbott asked. I'm quite impressed, I was gonna give an atempt at explaining it with the firepower of each ship, but going in such depth to talk about the exuivlant jouls for destruction power of each isd, is absolutely astonishing. Props to all you.

    • @dwlang001
      @dwlang001 4 роки тому

      casbott what is a Xyston?

  • @Darkknight-hu5sj
    @Darkknight-hu5sj 3 роки тому +1

    In the essential guide to warfare, xim’s largest ships are said to be about as large as modern heavy cruisers according to the anaxes system.

  • @TheWingland
    @TheWingland 4 роки тому +24

    What would have happened if UNSC had defeated he covenant forces and captured the forerunner fleet in Halo Wars instead of destroying the ships?. #askeck

    • @cgi2002
      @cgi2002 4 роки тому +1

      My bet, in about a week, maybe 2 depending how long it takes to crew them (1 person+an AI). At which point they are unstoppable, 1 could probably wipe a fleet, 10 the entire covenant navy, there were dozens if not hundreds of them. Those were actual warships, not key ships like the forerunner dreadnought powering high charity, and it had the strength to take on entire pre-covenant shanghelli fleets.
      Admittedly I would love to see Ecks take on this.

  • @derekrobinson2366
    @derekrobinson2366 4 роки тому +3

    Thank you for making this Eck, really enjoyed it!

  • @joshbull623
    @joshbull623 4 роки тому +3

    Do more empire at war please!

  • @Ravenous1369
    @Ravenous1369 4 роки тому +1

    Really enjoying these 'Every Era' vids Eck, glad you like making em and hope more ideas are suggest or come to you in order to continue it! One I had would be Starfighters, whether that be focused on the most popular or whichever was utilized by the most powerful faction or something along those lines seems like a decent topic to cover, obviously you'd have to narrow it down somehow with the hundreds of different classes.
    Another that came to me as of typing this comment could be Ruling Governments, although the Republic obviously maintained control for most of galactic history and then the New Republic after the Empire, there were periods of time when stronger or more widespread groups like the Sith or Rakata held the most power so maybe there's more to that idea than I can come up with. Keep up the great work mate, look forward to the next video!

  • @PierroCh5
    @PierroCh5 4 роки тому

    I don't know this channel, and I don't watch Star Wars related content, but this video popped in my recommendations and my dumb ass thought that the thumbnail depicted the evolution of arrowheads throughout history...

  • @brycetomecek5065
    @brycetomecek5065 4 роки тому +1

    I’ve been waiting for this one. Thanks, Ecks!

  • @matthassell7308
    @matthassell7308 4 роки тому +1

    Its amazing to see this channel grow from what it was. You have more subs than star wars explained now.

  • @ambimain1801
    @ambimain1801 4 роки тому +1

    Ruson reformation is just the Washington naval treaty but for spaceships

  • @michaelszilagyi4529
    @michaelszilagyi4529 4 роки тому +18

    #AskEck every era of lightsaber tech!

  • @Jay-fs2nw
    @Jay-fs2nw 4 роки тому +37

    #AskEck
    Something that really confused me with ep9 was at the start with the hyperspace skipping since it felt like it broke even more of what we knew how hyperspace worked. What's your explanation of what happened and how the ties were able to follow the falcon?

    • @georgeofhamilton
      @georgeofhamilton 4 роки тому +10

      You know, abandoning this canon in favor of a better one is an option. We don't have to stick to Disney's word and perform mental gymnastics to justify their lazy decisions.

    • @Shepard0509
      @Shepard0509 4 роки тому +8

      Those were First Order Special Forces TIE Fighters (TIE s/f), the same as the one Poe and Finn piloted in TFA. They have hyperdrives, the regular First Order TIE Fighters do not.

    • @georgeofhamilton
      @georgeofhamilton 4 роки тому +4

      @@Shepard0509 They might've been; I don't remember. However, he's talking about how they knew when and where to jump out of hyperspace.

    • @pills-
      @pills- 4 роки тому +5

      The First Order equips infinite improbability drives on their TIE fighters?

    • @deadshot5007
      @deadshot5007 4 роки тому +2

      After the first order put the tracking technology in their fightersge, Rose and the resistance developed the hyperspace skipping technology that could help the resistance escape the first order

  • @macwelch8599
    @macwelch8599 4 роки тому +2

    I looked up the Nebula-class Star Defender and Endurance-class Fleet Carrior, and I liked those ships

    • @HumbleHonkingEnthusiast
      @HumbleHonkingEnthusiast 4 роки тому

      Some empire at war most feature them. They didnt really appear in any video games.

  • @ragingpapist103
    @ragingpapist103 4 роки тому +1

    What about the Star of Coruscant? Ship designed by the Republic in the Sith war and I believe at that time, the largest ship the Republic had ever produced. Its in Tor sure, but thats Legends. SWTOR is the only thing thats actively building legends.

  • @Marinealver
    @Marinealver 4 роки тому +5

    Eckharts Slaughter?
    That's what the caption says.

  • @Bleik99ESP
    @Bleik99ESP 4 роки тому +3

    Could you do a video explaining how you would upgrade the Venator-Class? (Improving main turrets, type of armament, distribution of the weaponry...) Thanks for all the content you do!

  • @joefield8078
    @joefield8078 4 роки тому +6

    What about the Corellian Dreadnaughts from the start of the Second Galactic Civil War?

    • @r.cdahuman7682
      @r.cdahuman7682 4 роки тому +1

      @joe field we know next to nothing about them, except that they are egg shaped. That's about it

    • @christianbryan6961
      @christianbryan6961 4 роки тому +1

      I saw "What about the-" and you know what I thought would come after...

  • @isaiahhighley8959
    @isaiahhighley8959 4 роки тому +6

    Who’s disliking 😂 are there like two people subbed to eck just to dislike or something? The mans got good content, don’t know why he always gets like two dislikes shortly after uploading lol

    • @chiefette9185
      @chiefette9185 4 роки тому

      Maybe its people who think they knew better?.. Idk humans are asshole

  • @marvel4211
    @marvel4211 4 роки тому +3

    For a second I thought this video was about arrowheads cause of the thumbnail.

  • @CABRALFAN27
    @CABRALFAN27 4 роки тому +2

    #AskEck Could you do a video clearing up some of the misconceptions about Canon, E.G. how Mon Mothma didn't just ax 90% of the military and call it a day, she redirected the funding into sector/planetary defense fleets like the pre-Clone Wars Republic, or how the Resistance Bombers weren't meant for space combat at all? I'm tired of seeing people throw around misinformation to bash everything about new Canon.

    • @DarkApostleNoek
      @DarkApostleNoek 4 роки тому

      This would be cool

    • @mattmorehouse9685
      @mattmorehouse9685 4 роки тому

      It seems really stupid to say the new bombers are bad... because they aren't Y wings? Ever heard of updating the design? And the idea that they're too slow and vulnerable to weapons fire- well, that's why you have X wings go in and take out point defense. It's called combined arms warfare. They drop the bombs- so tie fighters screaming is suddenly not allowed?

  • @matthewkretschmer7010
    @matthewkretschmer7010 Рік тому

    The Super Star Destroyer was my main favorite Star Destroyer.

  • @nicholassas4201
    @nicholassas4201 4 роки тому +1

    Type-47A(H2) scarab vs type-47B(H3,reach,odst) scarab vs Banished scarab vs Volatile scarab

  • @captainfishhead6389
    @captainfishhead6389 4 роки тому +1

    I love how there are comments and the video is longer than how long it has been out

    • @georgeofhamilton
      @georgeofhamilton 4 роки тому

      In other words, you're part of the Early Squad.

  • @leozao5
    @leozao5 4 роки тому +2

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, we KNOW the Star of Coruscant was huge, even by imperial standards, being several kilometres long (and it wasn't classified as a dreadnaught, but as a superdreadnaught)
    Even if we don't KNOW, can't we make estimates based on images and measurements in-game?

  • @Pulsar047
    @Pulsar047 4 роки тому

    Perfect video Eck.

  • @kathryn3675
    @kathryn3675 4 роки тому +1

    do the forces of chaos vs the demons from doom!

  • @tjmcfadden5137
    @tjmcfadden5137 4 роки тому

    Era series fighters or walkers or cruisers would be cool or maybe a video looking at some of the military space station models like the space stations seen in swtor

  • @Justme42yay
    @Justme42yay 4 роки тому

    I find it amusing that Star Wars in a galaxy far far away uses the same ship class description as the UK. Dreadnaught heavy cruiser etc

  • @cpt.crunch9978
    @cpt.crunch9978 4 роки тому +2

    1:31 Does the Despot know that turbine engines don't work in space?

  • @Djoba12714
    @Djoba12714 4 роки тому +2

    God bless this video

  • @kaponofalconer831
    @kaponofalconer831 4 роки тому

    That's one massive Mol Calamari cruiser!

  • @Nathanct43
    @Nathanct43 4 роки тому

    Pre-Dreadnought Era. That's a nice reference to the Pre-Dreadnought Battleship era in history.

  • @clarencebeaks1315
    @clarencebeaks1315 4 роки тому +4

    Crossfire vs twintail
    #StarshipVersus #AskEck

  • @kenbrand2123
    @kenbrand2123 4 роки тому +2

    If I ever bought a 2nd hand stardestroyer I'd have Eck look it over.

  • @starcaller6448
    @starcaller6448 3 роки тому

    I imagine the Ricottan Infinite Empire had some pretty cheesy drednoughts.

  • @Hortifox_the_gardener
    @Hortifox_the_gardener 3 роки тому

    They are like post WW2 battleships - too big, too few, vulnerable to small ships.

  • @MetalLunar
    @MetalLunar 4 роки тому +1

    Wait! I thought this was an arrow comparison video? The thumbnail lied to me!

  • @alejandroelluxray5298
    @alejandroelluxray5298 4 роки тому +1

    How about making a video about the ground vehicles the rebels had in Legends, I think they had some of the most Unique tanks of all Star Wars

  • @TechnoMinarchist
    @TechnoMinarchist 4 роки тому +6

    At the end of the day, all of the SSDs are mostly meaningless outside of the Eclipse and the Bellator.
    Making a ship any larger than these or making other types is meaningless as those two classes already achieve everything required for combat.
    The only thing that you would do next if you could find a reason to make a larger ship is to have one that carries star destroyers and would be used for expansion beyond Imperial space, acting as a mobile invasion headquarters.

    • @lenkagamine4145
      @lenkagamine4145 4 роки тому

      why would you carry star destroyers though? what would be the advantage of carrying a star destroyer as compared to just, having it fly side by side?

    • @TechnoMinarchist
      @TechnoMinarchist 4 роки тому +2

      @@lenkagamine4145 Intergalatic space travel would likely end up being easier with a larger ship than to split your resources across a whole fleet.

    • @Miloreo18
      @Miloreo18 4 роки тому

      ASSERTOR! ASSERRTOR! ASSERTOR! 8000 weapons systems estimation, one light superlaser enough to blow apart any other ship but not so heavy that it sucks all power. Better than the Eclipse. The bellator is the escort for the ASSERTOR- - - which do you think is larger!?

    • @TechnoMinarchist
      @TechnoMinarchist 4 роки тому

      @@Miloreo18 The assertor doesnt have a superlaser in legends.

    • @Duchess_Van_Hoof
      @Duchess_Van_Hoof 4 роки тому

      I would go one step further, the Bellator is the best designed Star Dreadnought in the setting. It outguns entire fleets, and is still cheaper than an Executor or a Mandator. If you are going to build them, just build loads of Bellators. And if you already have a dozen or score of Executors then there is no reason to ever build anything with more firepower.
      Either of them or even just fleet of ISDs and smaller vessels can easily wipe out a city, a continent and devastate a planetary environment for centuries to come. There is absolutely no reason to build a weapon that is able to explode a planet in a single shot, there is no reason to ever do that.
      When the Death Star was build, the Galactic Empire already possessed the power to wipe out entire civilizations.

  • @cipherzero1115
    @cipherzero1115 4 роки тому

    i want to cry every time I see a Mon Cal ship get blowed up. Lol I love them

  • @_tertle3892
    @_tertle3892 4 роки тому +1

    #askeck if an imperial 1 or 2 traveled back to the time of kotor how op would it be

  • @Nidhoggrr
    @Nidhoggrr 4 роки тому

    Love these showcase videos.

  • @WasatchGarandMan
    @WasatchGarandMan 4 роки тому +2

    #askEck
    Hey Eck, what do you think the best New Republic battle group would be (Post GCW). I feel that the New Republic being strapped for ships after the war would have intergrades Imperial assets into their small battle fleets. I.e. A Mon Cal MC80, An ISD and a plethora of smaller ships ranging from the Clone Wars era to newer ships

  • @lynnlo
    @lynnlo 4 роки тому +1

    Eck, can you explain time in star wars? I get the bby, aby designations but in rebels they used cycles. And the BY time standard isn't officially used by characters.

  • @laynce5
    @laynce5 4 роки тому

    You should do Thanos End Game army and ship vs a clone wars star destroyer and crew.

  • @Modelstl063
    @Modelstl063 4 роки тому +2

    #askeck this is a simple one I think,
    If the venator cannot land without pre built mooring stations how come the venator landed on kasshyyk behind the beach?

  • @LegatusLucius1994
    @LegatusLucius1994 4 роки тому

    I always like the vicount it was a dedicated Mon Calamari ship that wasn't a skyscraper with engines put on it to be fair this thing would stick out of the ocean

  • @starsilverinfinity
    @starsilverinfinity 4 роки тому +4

    every era of super cheese wedge

  • @theodorekaczynski1683
    @theodorekaczynski1683 4 роки тому

    Great vid

  • @juicebowl
    @juicebowl 4 роки тому +1

    Suggestion: Research the Hyperion Cantos series and do a piece on how they would compete against WH40k and the likes. Hint* PAX and FORCE units would probably give a lot of these sci-fi universes a run for their money.

  • @cominguponinfra-red3038
    @cominguponinfra-red3038 4 роки тому

    Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (693rd try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*

  • @danhauser9164
    @danhauser9164 4 роки тому

    The star destroyers used in your thumbnail look like Arrow heads to the point where I could probably find a picture in sequence that matched

  • @carlsmith2641
    @carlsmith2641 Рік тому

    I feel like super star destroyers are worth their cost because they can take on entire fleets and take so much punishment, and if well rounded like the viscount and used properly they can be extremely effective

  • @CoreRealm
    @CoreRealm 4 роки тому +2

    Pride of core18bby
    Executor1Aby
    Supremacy30Aby

  • @camcam8660
    @camcam8660 4 роки тому +2

    What’s uppp first one(BTW Love your vids)

  • @dwaldpilar9309
    @dwaldpilar9309 4 роки тому +1

    What about the different era's of fighters??

  • @dragonborn9887
    @dragonborn9887 4 роки тому

    I don’t know where to post suggestions for new videos so I’m posting here, ecks maybe you could start a Starcraft lore series if you haven’t alrdy done one.

  • @alextang5251
    @alextang5251 4 роки тому +1

    Where does the scene with the star destroyer coming out of hyperspace in front of the mon Cala ship come from

  • @captainfishhead6389
    @captainfishhead6389 4 роки тому +8

    We all know the executor is and will be the best as long as I am within a 100 mile radius from Vader
    Please send help he is very scaru

  • @tomarnold7284
    @tomarnold7284 3 роки тому

    It kind of becoming ridiculous that they build the ships bigger and bigger but without any new functions.

  • @redzeitgeist854
    @redzeitgeist854 4 роки тому

    Right on time

  • @TheWingland
    @TheWingland 4 роки тому

    Halo theory idea What if the UNSC had never researched the spartan 2 or mjolnir programs. However one month after first contact with the covenant the UNSC INFINITY and her escort fleet of Autumn class cruisers appear at earth through a wormhole. The ships are fully operational and have manuals detailing how all ship systems, such as shielding and more advanced slipsace, operate and also how to build them for other ships. However it goes not have the spartan 4s. How does this affect the human covenant war? Does humanity win or lose? #askeck

  • @noteansylvan6051
    @noteansylvan6051 4 роки тому

    Can you do the Ebon Hawk vs the Millennium Falcon?

  • @svahn1
    @svahn1 4 роки тому +1

    I think that the main point of these dreadnaugts is power projection. It might be true that smaller cruisers are more practical and effective, but an average republic/imperial citizen probably wouldn't know that. I know I would be way more intimidated by an executor class than a standard imperial star destroyer. Compare it to how the US uses it's aircraft carriers in the real world. ICBMs could be a much bigger threat than a carrier, but it might not feel like it to the people who see it off their coast.

  • @jacobktan
    @jacobktan 4 роки тому

    I still mostly watch for your dog at the end

  • @jacobcox1914
    @jacobcox1914 4 роки тому

    Jedi and/or Sith through the eras would be fun.

  • @breezyoctopus6835
    @breezyoctopus6835 4 роки тому

    Nebulon C frigate vs Corvus

  • @cominguponinfra-red3038
    @cominguponinfra-red3038 4 роки тому

    Doomsday from the comics vs the Flood

  • @harrisonsingleton3398
    @harrisonsingleton3398 4 роки тому +1

    please can you tell me where your intro music is from? I think i had heard it at a party years ago. Would love to listen to that again. I was in a very happy place back then. Now i am not. Please may i know it. Thank you :)

  • @chaosfire321
    @chaosfire321 4 роки тому

    Aww what about the Harrower-class from the Cold War Era? Sure it's more analogous to a regular star destroyer but still.

  • @darthscott616
    @darthscott616 4 роки тому

    Great video, though EGTW said fleets of large battleships vs fleets of smaller ships went in out of favor over the many millennia the Republic existed. I know there are no hard numbers, but you have the planetary navy battleships of the Alsakan conflicts, the Pius Dea Cathedral ships, Cal-class Republic planet buster battleships, like you mentioned the Star of Corusant superdreadnought, and all those large command ships from the Great Sith Wars. IMHO, I always thought the ship size & length being linear up until the Imperial era is very silly. There no good reason ships of those size could not have existed long before then, considering the technology involved. My count is also close as total Imperial Star Dreadnoughts you mentioned, I got 47 confirmed, then maybe 13 more. My head canon, with shipyards across the Galaxy, low 1,000s of Star Dreadnoughts & Battlecruisers, but that's just me.

  • @JavierTorres-gu7mg
    @JavierTorres-gu7mg 4 роки тому

    Dude the new Clone Wars mod

  • @bolothegiantfriendlypillbu4075
    @bolothegiantfriendlypillbu4075 4 роки тому

    Halo and the real world kinda have these in the form of Supercarriers. I wonder if going smaller and becoming specialized will be what will happen. Classes like the battleship have *almost* retired (Only when Russia retires theirs or if it sinks will they truly be over) so maybe? Well not sure, Britain and the US still have these supercarriers and they're almost as big as star destroyers.

  • @yueriiivanovich2257
    @yueriiivanovich2257 3 роки тому

    Not going to lie, thought this was a video about how arrowheads from the thumbnail

  • @Sai-re7ri
    @Sai-re7ri 4 роки тому

    Nice Vid. Luv it :)

  • @absobusa
    @absobusa 4 роки тому

    can anyone tell me what game the fopttage of the space battles was taken from it looks really good

  • @rubendecorte9115
    @rubendecorte9115 4 роки тому

    @Eckhartsladder can you do a vid of wich is better vindicator heavy cruiser/imperial star destroyer?

  • @flyingninjafish1558
    @flyingninjafish1558 4 роки тому

    Looked at the thumbnail without reading the words or title and thought this was a video about arrowheads 😂

  • @thebaccathatchews
    @thebaccathatchews 4 роки тому +1

    #AskEck Any thoughts on a What If series of videos, like "What if Luke stayed on Dagobah", etc.?

  • @LM112233445566
    @LM112233445566 4 роки тому

    Where does the scene of the Eclipse blowing up a Mon Cal ship come from? Is it from a Star Wars game?

    • @marrqi7wini54
      @marrqi7wini54 4 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/5Jlo081vSQQ/v-deo.html

  • @FrakkinGaiusBaltar
    @FrakkinGaiusBaltar 4 роки тому

    I am personally against the use of the term "Dreadnought" to define big capital ships in the Star Wars universe and feel the term "Super Star Destroyer" fits much better. Why? Well, because our idea of a dreadnought is closely linked to the real life ship HMS Dreadnought, and the revolution in naval warfare it represented. Without having HMS Dreadnought, the Star Wars universe would have no reason to term massive warships as "dreadnoughts" (and, of course, I'm referring to dreadnought as a class, not as a namesake).
    Furthermore, the idea of a Dreadnought is closely linked with WWI-style naval combat, where - without strike crafts or guided weapons - only big guns were the defining factors in deciding a naval engagement. But this is the exact opposite in Star Wars, where even small frigates have some carrying capacity and there's an abundance of guided weapons.
    Basically, the term of Super Star Destroyer fits much better because it is conveying that the ship in question is filling the same "ship-of-the-line" and flagship role of a Star Destroyer (or equivalent) but it is significantly more powerful.
    But that's me overthinking how actually bad is the Anaxes War College System.

  • @bencoomer2000
    @bencoomer2000 4 роки тому

    Dominion (ST) vs. the Empire.