The Real Reason Why the Death Star Was Created
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Yuzan Vong
Question what happened to Star Wars vs earth Series because we were about to is republic vs earth??????
Forgot to mention that they had a creature that could detect force sensitives
A great dragon man with dragon wings and a dragon sword sleeps in the deepest dragon ocean and rides a dragon horse and has dragon horse, in the dragon sea. Dragons.
Ever since The Last Jedi came out, I thought the overarching threat of an outsider would’ve made a much better sequel trilogy. I really like The Force Awakens and that one can stay but then if an outside threat came into the picture it would make so much more sense for Palpatine to return and be like “I told you so” or “I was preparing for this and now you’re completely outmatched”. I’m not saying heroes would team up with Palp but it would’ve been much more compelling in my opinion. It just seemed like there were no stakes the sequel trilogy.
Betcha someday, they'll add another sequel trilogy and feature the outsiders in all three like some Star Trek ripoff. Though I understand the need to wipe the slate clean and standardize the lore, mistakes made in the story instantly botch the essesnce of the goal in keeping the star Wars spirit alive. I agree with you that TFA can stay but the other two kinda went too far off course to me.
That’s exactly what I think, he’s full on the villain still but he plays it up as if he that’s the reason he created everything
They had stakes, and blew them up in the first half of 7. The survival of the new republic, everything the rebellion fought for in 4-6 would have been fantastic stakes. But they wanted original trilogy part 2. New rebellion
No disrespect, but pitching a better arc than what was released theatrical isn’t hard
I for one thought the Jedi Outcast plot offered the best bones for a sequel trilogy: ep 7, Imperial remnant are rallied by a fallen Jedi imbuing a few agents with the Dark Side technologically but are defeated; ep 8 Vong invade and tear ass; ep 9 the New Republic has to both militarize and make peace with the Remnant to defeat the Vong
@@hellfish2309 hell the so called “non canon” stories had a better idea and they are decades old
I read that the Death Star could also be interpreted as a weapon specifically designed to take out worlds held by the Yuuzhan Vong. It was able to blow up planets with ease, and the Vong used planets as shipyards so destroying them would have been a top imperative. I thought that was fascinating... the Death Star goes from being an unnecessary weapon of terror to a valuable tactical resource. Honestly, it adds depth to Palpatine's character.
Also, the fact that the Death Star would be able to point-and-click Vong Worldships out of existence, and Worldships were one of the biggest issues with the Vong, as they were used to grow and house huge numbers of Vong warriors and their weapons and were extremely difficult to destroy. So being able to destroy a Worldship with every shot would have made it almost suicidal for the Yuuzhan Vong to actually engage with any fleet or planet that the Death Star was also with.
Yuuzhan Vong was the reason why Palpatine needed to unite the galaxy under a military dictatorship for that outsider threat to fight against. To create the Death Star. To militarize the troopers. To create the dark trooper project. And maybe use the dark side. As dark spiders use lightning and that adds an advantage against it.
retcon!
"dark _spiders_ use lightning" might be one of my favorite typos. :P
YUP you know your stuff!
Until disney messed it up
Or he could have known about the enemies of the Chiss and Thrawn, didnt thrawn say he was a spy so he could see who would help the CHiss?
Palpatine was always planning to conquer the galaxy. Having a galactic scale war and blaming the Jedi for it was planned before he learned of the Far Outsiders. Palpatine knowing about them may have altered some of his plans, and certainly allowed him to sway people like Thrawn, but it doesn't change who Palpatine is. He didn't plan to build up the Imperial military to fight the Yuuzhan Vong for anyone's benefit except his own... and he made a lot of mistakes after he became Emperor.
I think that's what makes the idea so interesting, personally. Of course Palpy wouldn't change his ways or who he was just because there was a larger threat on the horizon. His plans would simply pivot to face them. But it would be really interesting to see the idea of "You may not like it, but I'm exactly the kind of person you need." It would be for his own self gain and preservation, but without a doubt he'd get pleasure in even his greatest enemies having to admit that, at least on some level, he was right.
you right however it was confirmed and canon in legends that palpatine military build up was related to Yuuzhan Vong invasion. Hell, in books we learn it in less then week after his death. Forgot the name of book, however in that book palpatine was making deals with another race with hints of some bigger threat that he was concerned about.
His taking over republic and killing all jedi had nothing to do with Yuuzhan Vong is correct however. That's just his master and his personal life goal.
@@SapFeaRon sounds like "Truce at Bakura", which I sadly never got hold of, but I knew from later books Palpatine had wanted to acquire Ssi-Ruuvi shields.
I never denied that he planned to fight the Yuuzhan Vong, I just made the distinction that it was for his benefit, not anyone else's
@@ZoeMalDoran oh for sure. Everything he did was for himself. However sometimes his goals include survival and it's much easier done in stable and strong empire.
I actually have that book in my native language which i read like...15 years ago? It was a really interesting book about post ep6, when empire refused to belive that Palpi died and just formed new republic trying to get some weight and respect.
Pretty sure it's this book features Luke first love interest too.
@@SapFeaRon That is true, but I also remember books that counteract it. Like the Dark Empire arc that showed his plans were not to face the Yuuzhan Vong but conquer other galaxies. Then in another book, it was stated Palpatine did not believe in Thrawn's warning but made it seem he did to recruit the talented tactician as his Admiral with plans to kill him when he was no longer convenient. I think one of Jacen Solo's Dark Jedi/Sith Masters (I forgot her name) said so when she was teaching him during the Yuuzhan Vong War.
While Legends was more consistent than Disney Cannon, it can flatulate from author to author. However, based on how the Empire operated and worked, I don't think he had a plan to face the Yuuzhan Vong.
The vong weapons were not necessarily superior in my opinion, but more unfamiliar, with that alieness giving them advantage.
Even after studying it for years, the Galactic Alliance still wasn't able to fully match their bio-tech. Vong weapons being organic, living things gave them a nature of unpredictability compared to GA tech. It was only due to the skill of the GA forces and their willingness to adopt YV weapons into their own arsenal that they were able to level the playing field. If the Yuuzhan Vong hadn't been so stubborn about analyzing their enemies' weapons because of their religion, they would have won easily
It seems to me that Ezra and Thrawn being "lost" would be a perfect time to tie this into canon. We could even suggest that Thrawn was destroying worlds again (Mando) to build up forces against them.
YAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please stop trying to "retcon" Disney's Star Wars series into being good. It ain't happening.
@@MrRedFoxorMrelzorrorojo poor unfortunate soul, this is where its all going, sw is making a comeback........
@@brittanyjtaylor2638 I would say something crass about a comeback but I won't. Any piece of media that requires extra content to get it to functional isn't good media. End of story.
I like that Darth Maul fought and killed a Yuuzhan Vong warrior in hand-to-hand combat while he was still training under Sidious in some Book I forgot what it's called. The Warrior was captured somehow and had been forced to fight in gladiatorial fights against unlucky captors. Maul was captured, I can't remember if he let himself be captured but he ends up fighting the Warrior without any weapons except for the Warrior's snake-staff thing. I think Maul sensed that the Alien Warrior couldn't be effected by the force or he could not sense the Warrior in the force. Shit is crazy and it's pretty brutal fight lol. I really like how the Yuuzhan Vong ships were biological, basically living ships.
Maul lockdown. A great novel that was birthed from a small detail in the Darth Plagueis novel in the same way the Darth Bane trilogy was birthed from a offhanded quote in episode 1.
I read that but didn’t think know he was a Yuuzhan vong
@@user-pj9ie4bs1z I don't think anyone knew what it was lol but it's heavily implied by the writer to be a Yuuzhan Vong Warrior
I feel like fighting the Vong was just a footnote for Palpatine's Leto II level of prediction and planning. He already planned to crusade across the universe. Getting the Vong out of the way was just a part of that
Wasn't a fan of the Vong when I read them actual ages ago, but if the Grysk in the new Thrawn and Thrawn Ascendancy trilogies are the new Big Outside Threat, I'm all for it. Having something on screen that breaks up what we're familiar with would be refreshing.
I will take all of the wacky extragalactic elements over the shameless, safe, boring, irrelevent movies disney gave us
I was looking for this comment. Lol Agreed. The Grysk are basically the canon Vong and can be amazing if they let the story be told in either live action or a film. I kinda hope that’s the plot for Ashoka. She can have a beef with thrawn then ultimately resolve it and come together to fight the Grysks with the Chiss Ascendancy.
It is amazing how perspective can Change on the Vong isn't it. I hated their arc originally and then I was really hoping to see them in Battlfront 3... Then Disney's TFA hit and I wished they were back even more... Tbf though I think Disney should have kept the trilogy closer to The Courtship of Princess Leia and the birth/preteen years of Jaina and Jacen... Still so pissed Obi-wan essentially used Obi wan to replace Winter while screwing up how to do female empowerment.
In all honesty despite the de-canonization of the Yuuzhan Vong, they would be a sensible and believable reason as to why Palpatine had such a formidable empire. Granted, he did have forces such as the inquisitors alongside Vader as Jedi hunters but that was to wipe out the Jedi who would get in the way of his plans and potentially insight an uprising. In the early days of the Empire there really wasn’t a formidable rebel force if at all. Yes, there was Saw Gerrera however even during the Clone Wars, he even had some passive aggression towards the Republic and his ideals weren’t praised by many in the full rebellion force to come. All in all, despite the lack of care in universe to imperial commanders abusing their positions leading to sparks of rebellion as seen for example in the comics and in Rebels, this could translate well into canon with the obvious tweaks of integration with already established canon events.
Honestly Palpatine doesn’t need a “reasonable reason” right now I r he works there’s dozens of dictatorships and tyrants. Some just have regressive values or they’re psychopaths who want power.
Based on speeds and distances it could be estimated that it took the Vong multiple thousands of years to arrive
Only from a outside perspective. Even at sunlight speed relatively would have made time pass slower for them.
Many thousand times more than long enough to go completely nuts
If their own galaxy is as close to the Star Wars galaxy as Andromeda is to us it would take them 2.5 million years even at 99.9% light speed.
@@tortenschachtel9498 True but at 99.9% light only 10,000 yr would pass on the ships. I don’t know how long they live but it’s conceivable that it could be done in a few generations if they are very long lived. And given their bio-tech it’s possible they could extend their lives significantly.
So, the Death Star was for Palpatine to have a means of defense against something far worse than anything in the SW Galaxy and possibly an Ark for preserving some form of civilization? Wow. No wonder it had an on-board mall and theaters.
It even had a canteen.
1. I don't recall ever reading in the NJO that the Vong couldn't use hyperspace in the void between galaxies.
2. Did it say in the Outbound Flight novel that C'baoth planned to use the Force to move Outbound Flight passed the edge of the galaxy?
3. The Vong home galaxy was not destroyed by an A.I. The Vong's homeworld (Zonama Sekot's parent) provided them with weapons bio-tech to successfully defeat the droid threat. The Vong themselves ravaged their home galaxy by using theose weapons to wage war on the other species in their galaxy and eventually themselves.
1 - I believe one is true.
2 - I think C’baoth’s plan was to bypass the Great Hyperspace Barrier by leaving the galaxy and then returning back and into the Unknown Regions. I don’t think that mentioned exactly what that entailed. But, I assume that they would’ve went to one of the weaker regions, then either over or under. Then map out a corridor through the barrier once they established a foothold, since that would be a slow process unless they started at one of the few limited transit ways, like the one to Ilum and the one that the Chiss used.
In order to use hyperspace, you need to plot out a route using visible matter as guideposts, which the voids have very little of, hence making hyperspace travel through the void extremely dangerous.
1) They couldn't; different tech tree.
3) Well, the galaxy wasn't in great shape after the S/A War; the Vong then screwed it up more with two additional galaxy spanning wars.
*Emperor Palpatine:* There's a intergalactic species of sadist coming to kill _us all._ Any Rebellion risk all life in the Galaxy, we must all come together to fight this menace.
[After evidence is produced, the Rebellion collapses and the galaxy unites behind the Empire].
Never knew they popped up as early as the Neo Crusaders. Imagine if the the Vong fought the Neo Crusaders. Two warrior cultures duking it out for supremacy. That'll be an interesting watch for sure
Maybe they tried and failed, and that's why they waited for so long in order not to make the same mistake, and attack them at their weakest.
Agreed
They just melted like 3 dudes' armour then fucked off for 3000 years
Made for a nice conversation with canderous though
Canderous Ordo encountered a peculiar "asteroid" that fled into intergalactic space when they pursued it on one of his journeys before the events of "Knights of the Old Republic", which matches the description of a small Vong scout shop (between 3,980 - 3,960 BBY)
@@TheDesktopOrbinaut Vongs have shops?
I really dont like how the Vong are used to kind of make palpatine a morally gray character
Agreed, let’s not forget he helped orchestrate or at least approved of the genocide of multiple species and races like the geonosian’s.
If Yuuzhan Vong invaded during the Galactic Civil War, will the Imperials and the Rebels decided to work together?
Expect plenty of backstabbing
What if bail organa succeeded chancellor valorum instead of papa palps (idk if you have made this vid yet)
Easy palps would organise an assassination
Palpatine would have made Organa look incompetent, if not corrupt, in order to stop him from getting in the way.
@@robertnelson9599 Or killied - If use Jango Fett - Obi wan can pursue him to Kamino, than to Geonosis and Clone Wars can still happen
Step 1: Defeat the Rebel Alliance and find/turn Luke Skywalker (the second part is optional).
Step 2: Build another Death Star after the first one is destroyed, preferably two if possible.
Step 3: Perfect the Dark Trooper and Death Trooper programs to augment every infantry unit with squads of elite troops who rarely miss when they fire their weapons.
Step 4: Allocate resources to proper shipyards and triple the number of Executor Super Star Destroyers in the fleet. Ideally, ensure that each major battle group has one as their flagship.
Step 5: Construct at least four Galaxy Gun super weapons at key locations throughout the galaxy.
Step 6: Abolish the Rule of Two...whoops. Palpatine got distracted and was slain by Darth Vader. Oh well...at least Vader will ally with the remaining Rebel cabals to ensure steps 1 through 5 are completed.
Wait, are those Coral Skippers...?
I think the Vong were built for a big screen trilogy.
The death of anakin solo, death of Chewbacca, the battle of corescant. It was so damn hopeless, and they won through PEACE, the FORCE. Not through military tactics and weapons.
@@YoFool.1506 The new jedi order series was the sequel trilogy before disney
@@Ahzuv nah, Thrawn Trilogy should've been the Sequel. I hate the Vong stuff and everything after, it just went ridiculous and repetetive imo.
@@DraconimLt Why do you hate the vong? i can understand hating the second galactic civil war and other stuff
@@Ahzuv cos they seem way overpowered, the whole 'not in the force' thing seems like a deus-ex-machina for why they can take down Jedi, and it just seems like the creators went 'well, we don't have a war on now, better make one up fast, and make it really bad'.
I get that it's called Star Wars, but that doesn't mean that the entire galaxy has to be at war constantly. The peace treaty with what was left of the empire seemed a good point to leave off that stuff, and if there were any stories after that focus more on the Jedi being peacekeepers would have been better in my opinion. Survivors Quest for example, that was a good story imo, same with the Thrawn Duology (SotP and VotF).
Plus they had some deaths I couldn't stand in that series: Anakin and Chewie for example, I mean they dropped a moon on Chewie
(*a moon* wth?) while he saved Anakin, then had that sacrifice become nagated and moot when Anakin got killed off pretty soon after. Also, Jag says that his older siblings are dead, wouldn't that include Chak from SQ. Nah, not in my SW universe.
It had some great new characters, Jag as an example, or Saba, but I wish someone had made a better story with them in it, not this. I like the New Jedi Order as an Order, but I cannot stand the series of that name.
Then it just got worse, the Killik stuff that's where I stopped for good, and I was proved right to do so when I found out they made Jacen an exact carbon copy of Anakin (1)s fall to the dark side, FOR THE SAME REASON. I thought Luke's order had removed the obstacles that prevented Anakin from telling people! It all seemed so forced too. All Jacen had to do was talk to Luke etc. So stupid, and then they had him kill off Mara?
They had one of my fav characters kill one of my other fav characters? Nope, no, no way in h###, not having it.
Anyway that's why I hate the Vong and anything following it. Sorry for the rant.
I like these videos that gives a deferent kind of perspective. Sure, we know the empire sucked when it came to governing their own population, and in crushing the rebellion. It makes these videos look far less like a echo chamber.
But in that case, they should've made two branches of the navy. One geared towards rebellion, and the other for the outsiders.
*different
The rebellion destroyed the empire and killed the emperor long before the Vong invaded the galaxy though, so the second navy would've been a total waste of resources they already desperately needed on the home front.
You could argue maybe what became the first and final orders might've been created for that very purpose and kept secret so questions wouldn't be asked about what a secret military was doing in the unknown regions guarding nothing.
Jedi: *successfully prevents the rise of the empire*
Palpatine: I was only trying to help
Jedi: what?
Yuzhann Vong: hi.
I tried using talk to text for Yuuzhan Vong starwars, and what I got was Using bong starwars. I'll be honest I wasn't disappointed showed a really nice death star bong.
Im so torn on the Vong honestly. I really like them as a concept and the old stories (even if I did think they were overpowered without good explanation) but I think using them as a "Palpy knew all along hes uber smart" is just a convenient way to cover up some of the dumber (but still cool) aspects of the original story.
There's actually a novel written in Legends canon, it came out back around the same time as Revenge Of The Sith was released, called Rogue Planet that shows that Palpatine did know about the Vong. Or rather the events of the novel lead to him knowing about the existence of the Vong, thanks to Tarkin and Raith Seinar. Someone in charge of the division responsible for the novels at the time definitely intended to portray the Empire's massive military buildup and obsession with super weapons (Death Star, Sun Crusher, etc) was at least partly due to preparing for a Vong invasion.
Covering up dumb parts of older movies is a time honored tradition in Star Wars going back decades and decades.
If they had been in the Clone Wars they would have been retconned into being force sensitive.
If this episode or arc had been finished I think it would have fixed some of the issues people have with the yuuzhan vong.
@Peters6221 they weren't actually so much op as they were different. Once those differences were accounted for and adapted to, the difficulty curve was actually easier than the rebels fighting the Empire. It took a long time and things were not helped by the political problems in the New Republic and the galaxy at large, but following the first battle of Coruscant the war started shifting direction, beginning with the battle of borelias.
@@jayburn00 I concur. I thought the story was awesome. They just seemed OP because they didn't understand them. Once they figured them out, they were able to stand a chance.
While i never read the books, the Yuzhaan Vong were always so interesting to me and i really want to see them in a movie or at least animated
Hey Alan I know people constantly talk about how the empire would have faired against the vong but here’s a video suggestion about how the cis would have faired against the vong
I remember the NR did build anti vong droids that looked just like them and it would drive them into a frenzy
@@GenerationTech Lando's doing. They taunted the Vong as well.
I think that'd be an interesting video.
The NR's weaknesses were an over-reliance on Jedi, political infighting and wrangling and an unwillingness to be ruthless and make sacrifices.
These are all traits both the Empire and CIS lack, the CIS also has the advantage of it's droid foundries. I imagine it could also go into a triumphant CIS of 40 years (or whatever it was) later building it's own Death Star.
I’d like to imagine a Yuuzan Vong invasion vs the Galactic Empire. Mobilizing a United Imperial fleet led by Grand Moff Tarkin, Darth Vader in his Flagship, and the Death Star controlled by the Emperor himself.
Others may say different but with those odds (even without Tarkin or Vader), the Yuzzan Vong wouldn’t stand a chance. After the War the Empire would be more United and there may have been an attempt to tame the Unknown Regions🤔
The Galactic Empire would stomp on the Vong, but it would definitely be a good fight.
Love the new Jedi order series. It was my first too, before moving on to the rest of legends, before they were legends.
I think that a strong military culture with a willingness for sacrifice and attrition would have definitely helped against the Vong, but the Death Star would have been a complete waste of resources. This is because how the Vong defend their ships is using dovin basals. They'd create mini-black holes to suck in any incoming ordnance. So if a Death Star superlaser powers up (like when the tributary beams appear), a Vong ship can just create a black hole to absorb the blast and would come out unscathed. Same with the Galaxy Gun unless the Empire could find a way to cloak the projectiles or use a bunch of decoy projectiles with every shot (which is definitely possible).
Dovin basals weaknesses are (1) They're reactive. So, if you hit the Vong where they don't expect it, that would be like shooting at an unshielded ship. The Jedi made use of this through shadow torpedoes: they'd replace the propulsion system of a torpedo with more explosives and then literally throw the torpedo at the enemy using the Force. Because of a lack of exhaust emissions, the torpedo would be invisible to sensors and would directly hit (2) If the dovin basal has to do too many tasks at once, it can't do them. So, the New Republic shifted from concentrating fire on one part of a ship (which they used to do against the Empire) and instead started spreading their fire all over enemy ships.
So, mass produce ships with a respectable amount of lasers. In the Legacy comics, we see ships like the MC 140 Scythe-class battlecruiser and the Pellaeon-class Star Destroyer. Both were significantly smaller (and thus less resource-intensive) than an Imperial-class Star Destroyer but had firepower on par with an ISD-size ship. The MC140 in particular had pretty powerful reactors and engines. Mass-produce the hell out of these ships and use sheer numbers of turbo lasers to overload Vong dovin basals.
As for the Vong: I like the idea of a new, terrifying enemy with an immunity to conventional Force abilities. But, I think the scope of their invasion should have been scaled down. Like have them hit major parts of the Outer and Mid Rim, maybe 1 or 2 inner rim/core worlds and make it seem at the darkest time like it would only be a matter of time before Coruscant fell, but have them be stopped after that. Making the Vong War the most devastating war in galactic history would eclipse the importance of the original trilogy and kind change the message of Star Wars from an American Revolution-style fight for freedom to a message of the ideal form of government being an Ender's Game-style military junta.
Dovin Basels can be overwhelmed by sustained fire, allowing blasts to make it through their defenses.
The Vong feared ISDs due to the massive amounts of firepower that they could bring against a single target, making them very affective against their ships. Several ISDs would overwhelm the defenses of a worldship allowing the Death Star to take it out easily
@@christophernemeth421 But, have you asked yourself what about the ISDs overwhelmed the dovin basals? Was it the power output, or the sheer number of laser shots lobbed at the targeted ships?
I think it's the sheer number of shots that would overwhelm a dovin basal, not the power output.
Because if your method of defense is to create a black hole, and your enemy only fires one shot at a time, you can withstand the enemy's fire for indefinitely, no matter how powerful the shot. Because nothing can escape a black hole. But, several star destroyers concentrating their fire on a Miid Roik or a Kor'Chokk would saturate the field with thousands of turbolaser shots every few seconds, that would be too many turbo laser shots for the ship's dovin basal to intercept with black holes. That dovin basal would have had to create more black holes than it could, overloading the dovin basals' capacity and allowing shots to get through.
That's why I think that ISDs can overwhelm the Vong with sustained fire, but a Death Star can't.
@@vanyac6448 A little from column A, a little from column B. Mostly column B, though there was one time where the Yuuzhan Vong were expecting the capital ships to use something like stutter-fire so they had the dovin basals produce much weaker voids to catch the weak shots and conserve their strength to create a stronger void to catch the full power shot. Pellaeon figured out what they were doing and upped the power of the decoy blasts to power through the weak voids, which worked
@@ZoeMalDoran So, I guess a Death Star could work, but it would have to be used in conjunction with other assets. If used by itself, the Vong could just station enough dovin basals near all of their assets to create a full-scale void that can literally tank any one shot (but would be terrible at intercepting a wide-field attack from a TIE fighter swarm). But, used in conjunction with a fleet, it can be effective. For instance, if the Death Star and a bunch of ISD's fire at the same time, the Vong would very likely have to choose between protecting from the Death Star and from the Star Destroyers. Not a very enviable situation to be in. Or another strategy would be to do hit-and-run attacks using the Death Star, forcing the Vong to turtle up in formations equipped with enough dovin basals to project from a very strong blast, making their moves more predictable.
But the thing is, if the best strategy is to use a mix of different types of attacks, it's best not to build a Death Star.
Because due to the sheer resource requirements of building a Death Star, you're best off using those resources to build a bunch of Star Destroyers and TIE fighters. Or at the very least, Sovereign-class or Eclipse-class dreadnoughts. With the credits alone needed to build the Death Star, over 7000 ISD's or 1000 Executors could have been built. A mix of ISD's and Executors would probably be better suited to executing the kind of combined-arms strategy mentioned above than a Death Star would.
Death Star has a hundreds of turbo lasers you could stagger them and confuse the hell of the system and then launch the Death Star. That’s essentially what the new republic would do with their own starship lasers. Those world ships would be pretty difficult to take out with a conventional wars on
I would love a video comparing StormTroopers/Clone Troopers to the various infantry units from other Sci-fi verses.
Guardsman or Space Marines from 40k, Spartans from Halo, etc...
I think their sister channel Generations Films did that.
@Homer soo? Because a channel did this idea it does not make it bad for other channels.
@@marceloasensiofilho3833 Eck also didn't go into details.
@@nobleman9393 all the more reason to want a video like this here. A comparison of the best "Supersoldiers" in pop culture.
If the Yuzang Vong turn up after _The Rise of Skywalker,_ then Xyston ISD's would just eat the Vong World ships, due to the standard JJ Abrams power creep.
I mean yes
But considering that if you hit the cannon the ship blows up they aren't that useful
If the cannon was inside the ship itself the Xyston fleet would be virtually unstoppable
Props to you for including Heart of Courage. There needs to be more love for Two Steps from Hell
Honestly this is one of the best, if not THE best, videos you’ve made imho. The added context and perspective changes everything about palpating and adds such a deeper layer of complexity to the politics of all three trilogies leading up to it. I’m so glad you chose to highlight this part of star wars lore, and you did it masterfully as always, all the necessary information presented in a enjoyable and easily digestible fashion. Bravo Allen!
The whole line of thought of Palpatine and the Empire still being around (not the remnant, but the full powered original Empire) was discussed in the Vong saga.
A few members mentioned they wondered if the Empire and Palpatine had still been around, if things would have been different.
Han Solo made a comment that the Empire would have built some grandiose war machine and called it Palpatines Nostril or something like that and it would have had a blatantly ignorant weakness that would have caused it to be destroyed by a single fighter.
It’s funny timing on this video. I was just thinking last night ,after a rewatch of ep 3, of what was palps ultimate goal beyond destroying the Jedi. What was his vision for the galaxy as a whole? This sheds alittle bit of light on that.
Facts. Loved this breakdown of legends take on palpatine’s reason for being the tyrant we know.
Bro you've taught me so much on everything about star wars thank you
I love the Vong Stories. They are one of the most interesting concepts I've ever heard of. The writers came up with great ideas for organic technology.
I thought they were terrible. 🤷♂️
Species 8472 did that gimmick much better.
@@minicle426 never played the game.
I'm reminded of Fable 3 a bit, where the "evil" options feel a lot less evil when you're faced with a terrifying force that will crush everything unless you engage in total war and expend every asset available.
It was kind of stupid in Fable 3 though, like you never tell anyone about this evil force coming and they are more concern about irrelevant crap like if a lake is drained or not then this deadly force coming to destroy everything. Like apparently the option of just telling everyone to tighten there belts for a year and after the evil dark force is defeated to go back to reforming the country is not even suggested.
If the Hutts have thick skin, how was Sny Snooodles able to shoot one and kill it?
This is a question that is meant to be purely modest. Not to discredit. I am new to the channel and have been binging obsessively for days now. Keep up the great work!
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A particularly powerful blaster maybe?
Certain blasters can kill hutts with easy to be honest they can only shrug off weaker bolts Han's DL-44 could punch through a hutt like knife through butter. Overcharged bolts will also go through.
@@davidjones341 Thanks for clarification. I am an aspiring creative and always was curious as to what made the Hutt species, in particular, dangerous. I guess, it would help to actually see one in combat on the big screen to get a better picture of how fast they move.
Krennic: I’m in charge here
Vader: Do you feel in charge?
Krennic: I built the Death Star
Vader: This gives you power over me?
Also consider that the ships of the Imperial Fleet were big battleships, but the Rebels put all their points into starfighters. Rebels were fighting a guerilla war, successfully; but the Imperials weren't kitted for successfully fighting their guerilla opponents. Palpatine had his eye on the horizon for a long time.
God, I wish the sequels were about the YZV.
I will never forget my first book. Not the crude material that teachers try to make you read in school, but the first book I bought because of interest. SWTOR sparked that interest and instead of just reading the wiki pages that miss so many nice details I savor for roleplaying I went ahead, looked up what book came (in canon) chronologically first and ordered Outbound Flight to be my first Book ever.
Hooked since then, though for sake of preserving more playtime I did switch to audiobooks.
I personally would love if the Vong or at least a similar species like them were to return in canon.
Would be quite a twist seeing a massive alien species bent on nothing but conquest and destruction being seen wagging war against the whole Star Wars galaxy.
Apparently there is one. The Grysks.
@@minicle426 Yeah I remember them. They have potential but we still know so little about them. And it seems strange that in-between the new Thrawn Books and the 30 year time skip they have yet to make any moves on the galaxy.
There either still waiting for the right moment to strike, or they may have been defeated already by who knows who (perhaps the First Order).
This concept has been around since the 80’s, that’s what the Tyranids from Warhammer 40k were basically.
@@brandonlyon730 I'm familiar with the Tyranids.
Thanks for the analysis and explanation.
This video definitely brought new insight into the Galactic Empire as a hole for me. I appreciate, enjoy your content, and am gonna search for more.
The Vong was easily where Legends finally jumped the shark for me.
David F had planned X-Files inspired story arc of CW of clone troops getting obducted from the battlefield. Obi and Ani investigating and turned out the Yuuzhan Vong were behind it.
But this got canned once Lucas had sold to Disney.
Yuzhang Vong is definitely a good story. But making Palpatine aware of it I think not only oversells his already OP foresight but nuances him too much.
It makes sense that self preservation, power, greed and selfish ambition motivated him to change the galaxy the way he did. It would be interesting to see how he’d react to the far outsiders
I think that the death star may have been seen as a weapon against the vong, but really that was just a bonus for Palpatine. I am pretty sure it was still the tarkin doctrine in play. And Palpatine clearly didn't care about wasting military force that he could have used instead when he deliberately pit some of the Imperial military against itself after the Empire retook Coruscant from the New Republic (sort of like operation cinder on new canon, but focused more on destroying some of the Imperial military than also killing loyal planets). Palpatine was always more concerned with ruling than protecting the galaxy. He would protect it purely out of self interest. That said, I thought thrawn was always more noble in his motives and intent. Also, in a way Thrawn ended up being a mentor to not just Pellaeon, but to his New Republic opponents. He taught some of the most effective commanders and strategists that the New Republic would have against the Vong: Wedge Antilles, Corran Horn, Ackbar, and Garm Bel Iblis. Thrawn's philosophies on war would be adopted eventually by many of his former opponents, who not only would use the tactics and strategies that Thrawn once used against them, but also came to practice some of Thrawn's methodology of using art and ultimately understanding of an enemy's culture to successfully fight the Vong (best examples of this being Wedge at Borelias and Ackbar's final ultimate strategy at Ebaq 9; also the psychological campaign of making jaina a sort of avatar of a yuzanh vong goddess). Another legacy of Thrawn that ended up aiding the New Republic/GA was the Empire of the Hand and even the Chiss Ascendancy. There is a now mostly discredited theory that Thrawn meant to toughen up the New Republic to prepare them for the Yuzanh vong. While not really true, that was definitely his ultimate goal for the entire galaxy (he viewed a military dictatorship or authoritarian government as better able to fight the Vong, so still not exactly compatible with the New Republic). Preparing for the vong was just a necessary part of Palpatine controlling the galaxy, not an end. For Thrawn, it was the whole point.
Great video!! I never knew this part of the story!!
I like to think of Star Wars as a game in Stellaris. And the Yuuzhan Vong are the crisis event.
yup or the huns in total war: attila with those deathstacks of horse archers smh
WE NEED THAT MOD
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Event crisis .2000
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The Emperor playing Stelaris.
In Legends, there had been discussion as to whether the Death Star would have been a viable answer to the Vong Worldships.
As for the 'Force Awakens' there was Vergere's revelation to Jacen; that while the galaxy thought that the Vong were exempt from the Force, they used a different 'visible spectrum' of it, one that Jacen was eventually able to access.
what if the empire had Thrawn doctrine instead of the Tarkin doctrine?
I've always like the Vong, as a matter of fact in the Star Wars RPG that my friends & I ran for 4 years, we headcanon'd that THEY were the threat Revan feared. To warn the Republic he sent another HK-47 model droid back, which ended up being lost in space for thousands of years. This was the PC I played. The campaign was set during the beginning of the Empire. It was fun, but weird when we found out that officially HK-47 was revived during the same time-frame, in Star Wars galaxies.
I think a Vong-like enemy would be a good build up to after the sequel trilogy and also a good conflict for a teenage Grogu to deal with, having to connect with both his Jedi and Mandalorian influences.
Two Steps from Hell Heart of Courage is a nice touch
Love these books. Thanks for talking about them. They need more love.
Another very great and fabulous video on the reconnted reason as to why Sidious needed to create a massive empire and militarized state, apart from the obvious imperative of needing them to control and impose empire's control and ideals across the galaxy per sith grand plan. Sure bringing the vong back would certainly add another intriguing nuance to an already very intriguing and complicated character. That despite being evil he still had the galaxy's best interests at heart or so he would have one believe.
Do you think that animal they were harvesting in Obi-Wan Kenobi show was a Vong scout ship?
I think the sequel trilogy should have been used to build up to the invasion. Luke has a vision and nobody believes him.
Interesting slant. Didn't see that coming. That was pretty cool.😎👍🏾
Can you do more videos on the yuuzhan vong?
Also the clone wars would have retconned them into being normal force sensitives like the jedi and sith.
Which would help them fit in better with star wars.
Really good video, and I agree this should have been the further content for the Star Wars stories. As to the Imperial army and it's structure you also have to remember that it was less a fight another true army force and more of a police entity by the time of the rebellion so that accounts for some of it's formation. Palpatine was more worried by the fact he couldn't sense the Vong in the force than anything. I wanted this to be the new direction of Star Wars the moment I heard of sequel movies but instead we got... what we got.
The Teaser title tipped me off that we were discussing the Yo Zhong Vong . Indeed a threat to EVERYTHING .
You read the New Jedi Order series when you were a kid. God, what a way to make me feel old.
I wish we could see this I agree it’s what sw needs rn
What are your thoughts on an Imperial battlefleet from 40K invading the Star Wars galaxy, replacing the Vong?
That would be a colossal war, and one I'd kill to see. Though I will say...as much as it pains me to say so, I think the Imperium would smash the New Republic and Imperial Remnant. I doubt even the Empire at it's height could truly defeat them.
The only real way I can imagine them winning is through a 'Fabian Strategy', where they attack wherever the main forces of the Imperium(the Space Marines, the largest battleships and titans) aren't, and take advantage of the relative slowness of the Warp compared to hyperspace.
You've been watching that series from AFanWithTooMuchTime haven't you?
A single Battlefleet? Depends on where they start out. I cannot help but feel as though they'd do better if they had a large human population center as their first targetpso they could proselytize. If first they had to take a string of low population planets with a mix of humans and xenos, I think they'd learn a lot but would potentially ruin the chance to build up support because once news of an atrocity gets out, they'll lose the PR front. The Imperium's forced would need to get as many converts as they could before their heavyhanded zeal becane evident.
I cannot help but think it would come down to the fleet commander. If it's some firebreathing zealot, it's doomed. If it's a more professional commander, it could make itself a permanent thorn in the side of Galactic society. How they would handle hyperdrives would be interesting. If it could be explained that they were made entirely by humans and there was no alien technology involved, I can't help but think that they would actually implement it. If they find out there were any alien Tech involved, that would be a different question. Provided that warped travel even works in the Galaxy.
@@McSkumm I have, but he had the invasion happen at the end of the Clone Wars. Which is probably the best era for the SW galaxy to have a chance, and from a narrative perspective offers a lot.
@@imperialhighcommand8535 The Fabian Strategy is an apt observation, because I could see this war taking on a Second Punic War vibe. The NR/GE couldn't ever hope to defeat the Imperium's main forces head-to-head, but they have a near-endless pool of manpower to draw troops from. Especially if they get the droid factories running again.
EDIT: In the Imperial era, the Empire could conceivably draw the Imperium into a trap with the Death Star. Force the Imperium to overcommit to a strategically important location. Drop in the Death Star from hyperspace. Destroy that location with a single reactor blast. Run away before the Imperium's space forces can retaliate.
I've always loved SW but I've recently done deep dives and I totally agree with @Generation Tech I firmly believe the Yuu Zhang vong deserves to be cannon/legends
my problem with the Yuuzhan Vong is that the books they were in varied widely from bad to ok.
they come out of the gate entirely too strong and too threatening; being able to pull moons out of orbit and smash them into planets with what amounts to a scout force.
subsequent writers had to do alot of damage control and pull back on their "power level" to give the star wars galaxy a fighting chanced. So then suddenly they go from being overmatched against even the New Jedi Order, to being moustache twirling bad guys.
I like the Idea of a powerful threat bringing the galaxy together so the heroes of both factions can put aside their differences. but they just didn't quite manage to pull it off well enough.
Just image how cool it would be to see Jedi, Sith, battle droids and storm troopers all banding together to fight an invasion. That I would watch.
I really like the idea of Palpetine starting his plot leading through him seizing power and overstaying his term limit in ROTS being a nobel venture, but him going crazy with power and the dark side, and ultimately falling away from anything nobel and good leading to the original triliogy Palpetine.
While the Yuuzhan Vong are interesting villains, I think this whole video provides a good explanation as why they wouldn't fit into the current canon. The first 6 films were all about Lucas' grand space opera, good vs evil and the Skywalkers. It was meant to be that the Empire were the bad guys and the Rebels were the good guys. Now if we're told Palpatine always knew about an external existential threat to the galaxy, and that was the main driving force behind establishing a strong Galactic Empire, it cheapens the proceeding films. The embodiment of evil and the dark side becomes a guy that knew disaster was just around the corner and tried to avert it through extreme means.
That said, I am a fan of the Grisks and the new Thrawn books. While presenting a similar threat as the Vong, the Grisk are a better fit for the current canon, and don't detract from Palpatine's malevolent character since he didn't know about them way back before the Clone Wars.
" a guy that knew disaster was just around the corner and tried to avert it through extreme means."
So... Revan then?
An invading army of pointy eared Skeletors is the Star Wars equivalent of jumping the shark.
Still better than Disney Era
Love this! 🥰 Super interesting take, and yeah, it put's Palpatine in a bit of a different light than just the ultimate power-hungry Sith Lord.
Fantastic video!
I like how the Vong give Palpatine purpose outside of being the mustache-twirling shadow villain. A young, talented individual of station who realizes that nobody would believe him and resorts to the dark side to prepare the entire galaxy for war mirrors many others’ paths to the Dark Side better than being a big ol’ bag of Sith souls.
Yuuzhan Vong invasion really struck home why there is a dark side of the force, a dark side to life, and struck home as why it's important for their to be balance, so that in times of crisis where the only right answers are atrocities, you can find the strength to draw upon and defeat the threat, but still have the light side to return too afterwards
They should set up Grogu creating a new sect of Jedi Mandalorian’s fighting the Yuuzhan Vong with Rey’s school of Jedi in a war. It’d be really cool.
You would be surprised how quickly our minds csn shift our attention yo war culture in times of need
The Vong suited better for Star Trek.
They sort of did it in star trek Voyager. A species 8472 , biological ships a bit like the vorlons in Babylon 5 . Planet killer weapons. And an attempt to purge all life in the galaxy. And biological weapons made them retreat and they also had agents in disguise infiltrating ect .
Seems like they just there to be there , needs to be more on them its super surprising there’s not, video is amazing says everything that needs to be said, I’d love a game where you push them back from The core all the way back to the edge of the galaxy it sounds amazing to think of
If Palpatine _was_ trying to prepare the galaxy for the coming of the Vong, he wasn't doing so competently.
Makes sense, there is a conversation in the first KOTOR game that mentions the Vong.
I like this idea much more honestly.
Palpatin wasnt just a tyrant.
But a tyrant that had greater things in mimd then his controll.
His survival and the survival of HIS galaxy
Fingers crossed we get something involving the Yuuzhan Vong in second season of Bad Batch.
I loved the Yuuzang Vong.
I didn't.
I'd say your views are pretty solidly orthodox among the fandom, Allen.
If you want controversial views, try talking about the flaws of Clone Wars Republic designs. Not in the "it might not have been perfect, but at least it's not what the Imperial era used" sense, but addressing the genuine shortcomings of the designs and looking for reasons why later eras didn't use the older stuff beyond "the Empire was cheap/dumb".
The electric kettle makes me think you are in Singapore. Great content while travelling if so.
1:18 notify me when we get Space Wolves in Star Wars…
Interesting concept
When your enemy has the ability to turn a planet into an organic factory, suddenly a planet-killer weapon seems like a tactical choice.
I think it would be a good thing to bring back perhaps not exactly as they were in legends but I could see them working very well as a big bad for the mandilorian series down the road especially since people do love the chiss and a mandilorian chiss alliance in the outer rim would be a powerhouse that could be seen to be something capable of facing our big baddies without needing assistance from the new republic
Who supplied the background music for the Vikings promo?
Same thoughts here mate. I may be biased since these stories came out before they created the "True Sith" for villains in an online game, or "The Rise of Skywalker". I remember the Vong being teased in the old "Knights of the Old Republic" game. One of the characters describes an encounter on the rim with something that could have been a Coralskipper.
Yuuzhan Vong probably wont ever come back. Lucas stated he didnt like the idea of something not being connected to the force. We now have the Grysk
Let’s assume that Palpatine was preparing for something big like the invasion of the Yuuzhan Vong and that the Death Star was part of his plan. That stopped been meaningful the moment it fired in anger against Alderaan.
Great video.
Sadly they wouldn’t be able to do the same characters from the whole story but I’d love if they created a Legend’s animated studio that tells the stories from Legends like NJO!! seeing those stories in animation would be better then never!!
I love the Vong