Core World Civilian: Yeah the Republic and Jedi are finally gone forever. Now we can live in peace. Out Rim/Alien Homeworld: Nothing but lies and bullshit for the average CIS citizens and neutral system citizens. We're all gonna get killed!
@@alphariusfuze8089 Yes and No. Because now the Out Rim worlds are being governor and control by an evil Empire on their homeworld and some of them are being sold as slaves. It's no different than our society. Things keep on getting worse and worse nonstop.
The fact that there are no novels or comics on the Re-conquest of the Rim especially from the Imperial POV is a crime. Its the perfect backdrop to get Imperial stories.
"The clones never really cared about the people of the galaxy." Waxer, boil, rex and the 501 ignoring the deserter and his family: are we a joke to you?
Find a talented fan who decides to adapt this dark part of the Clone Wars with groundbreaking CGI that can surpass and show Disney how a true Star Wars series is made. I dont care if its dark and goes against their norms this franchise needs a bit of power of the dark side but not all of it. Just tap into it but not for long and go back to the light to keep the darkness in balance. Just like the Jedaii.
@@rosesweetcharlotte The CIS lost. Trillions of people were occupied by brutal soldiers for years. The Emperor won. The average Republic citizen thought they'd won for a good 15 years or so till things started getting bad for the average citizen under the Empire
That story of CT-5539 still haunts me to this day because he and Darth Vader were friends. He saw how much of a monster Vader had become and when Vader killed everyone in the command room were CT-5539 was being held, he mentioned how emotional absent Vader was acting even comparing his friend Vader to a Droid. Vader had become more Machine than human at this point. That line alone I’m the comic was brilliant.
Imperial Military: We've come to protect you... Civilians: Hooray! It's the Galactic Empire! Imperial Military: ... from yourselves! Civilians: Oh no! It's the Galactic Empire!
I feel like we need more discussions about just how fucking dark TCW is. Like, Order 66 was always dark, but TCW turned it into the fucking Red Wedding.
Well, the cartoon we know as 2003's Clone Wars was made just to sell Revenge of the Sith, and fill up the gap that Lucas decided to leave open between 2 and 3 (seriously, TPM should have been AOTC, and them the second movie should have entirely being about the Clone Wars). But the cartoon is only a small fragment of the Clone Wars Multimedia project. The comics and books are as dark or even darker than TCW. Ventress tortures Obi-Wan and Alpha-17 for weeks, Anakin is far more ruthless and violent, Count Dooku has a cabal of Dark Jedi that are complete psychos, and Dooku himself is far more evil and murderous than his TCW counterpart.
@Tom Ffrench It's probably because you watched TCW first, human beings get used to anything they see first, It's one of the many reasons why many people hated the prequels after growing up with the Original Trilogy. But the contradictions appeared because Filoni decided that he wanted to ignore the timeline and the events brought up by the Clone Wars Multimedia Project, and at that point George wasn't really caring that much about continuity (one of the reasons why he sold It to the so called "White Slavers" years later), so he allowed him to do almost everything he wished to. Overall, TCW has made som e things better while completly fucking up others. It made Anakin a likeable character, a true hero like Like was, wich finally makes his downfall meaningfull in Revenge of the Sith. It also brought many new and positive additions, like Ashoka and the return of Maul. But the Dark Side was SEVERELY destroyed. Ventress storyline was really bad, Count Dooku is not as evil as he was supposed to be and do not have his army of Dark jedi (who were awesome by the way), and Grievous is a COMPLETE JOKE, and apparently has faced Anakin SEVERAL TIMES before ROTS, when they were clearly meeting by the first time. I like to mix both of them in my personal headcannon, building up a timeline with the villains from the EU and the good guys of TCW, this makes everything look better.
The immediate period after order 66 I feel is full of untapped potential, show the transition from clones to regular storm troopers, the final CIS holdouts, Vader making his name, the Empire establishing itself, and the beginnings of the Rebellion. Rebels didn’t do enough for this pre Death Star era.
I would pay good money to see this as a mini series. It could also explain how so many Clone Troopers died and replaced by the Stroomtrooopers so quickly
And to think an empire with a planet destroying war weapon was brought down by a few rebels, a princess, a former smuggler and his wookie pal, a former gambler, and a farmer boy that used to shoot womp rats in his T-16, oh and Porkins helped somewhat too lmao
Operation Cinder itself did more damage to the Empire's long term survival after Endor. The Empire still and all the manpower, money and tools needed to crush the rebellion for good even after Endor but Palpatine had to be an idiot and sore loser and destroy it all. Even though he had clone body on standby it seems from the ninth film so he could have just ruled form their while he recovers his power.
@@ntfoperative9432 in legends the empire's collapse was due to infighting rather than some nero-decree-esk order. it felt mutch more like a commentary on empires (and how succession issues and infighting almost always causes their defeat) rather than the more cartoonishly evil empire we get in canon, which just becomes even stupider when its revealed palps didn't die.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 canonicaly there was still infighting, the faction we follow in BF2 is only a small part of the empire fleet, given orders by Palpatine himself, which is how they were defeated so easily on Jakku
The Clone Wars were so bad that the effects were still during the Rebellion. The retaking of the outer rim was going to be bloody, and it was going to be Clones that either spilled that blood or they bleed themselves. The Galactic Empire was born though blood and suffering while wouldn’t it be different after order 66.
Considering the crap and horrors the Clones and the officers went through the Clone Wars, I can understand why they treated the Separatists with extreme prejudice, especially now that the (mostly) incompetent and problematic Jedi were out of the way. We even see in the show that Civilians and senators viewed and treated the living, sentient clones no better than Droids, so it makes sense that they'd treat them the same way. (Not saying it would be justified to commit war crimes or especially genocide, absolutely not. Just saying that it's clear why the Clones were so cruel, their upbringing and life long treatment is why this happened, tragic as it was 😓)
@Tom Ffrench They were. Some were amazing, like the ones we're shown in the show like Plo Koon, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Aayla Secura, etc. But many weren't fit to be leaders and made decisions sometimes that cost them in the long run. Remember, they're keepers of the peace, not soldiers. Many times they did more harm than good. There's a reason some clones didn't like their jedi, and many civilians didn't either.
@@thalmoragent9344 and krell is prime example yes we knew he was a traitor but he was one of the many jedi who don't care of clone lives and they're those who are inexperienced like Kitt Fisto's padawan who got himself and his whole unit killed even Mundi wasn't that good at taking charge in battle as well but at least him and his clones know how to fight to survive
@Tom Ffrench from my assignment and opinion on jedi in legends during the clone wars the majority of active jedi were better leaders on the battle field compared to those who were more passive and stayed at the temple also those who saw the clones as tools instead of actual living beings with the potential to become individuals,and who were more arrogant tended to have more casualties and less victories
I mean they aren’t perfect by any means. They are lead largely by greedy businessmen. Considering they also practiced slavery, they give me some southern United States vibes
@@sthenelos1 The CIS does not enslave anyone, why do you want slaves if you have quadrillion droids at your disposal? No, the closest thing to slavery the CIS committed was when they used some civilians in Ryloth as human shields (although the responsibility for this atrocity goes to Watt Tambor, who basically did this behind the back of the rest of the CIS), or the Zygerrian Empire, although they were allies of the CIS but not part of them.
Of course the core didn't care at the war crimes being committed by 'their' soldiers and state. Because it wasnt happening to them, it didn't effect them, it wasn't happening where they could see it and thus they could ignore it. The core always lived off and benefited off the suffering and exploitation of the outer rim who supplied their higher standards of living at the cost of their own. The Rim succeed because of these systmic problems and most of the core citizens had no idea and were turned against them and eventually into the Empire by radical nationalism and ignorance to their suffering. The us versus them mentality can easily manipulate the masses. The reason this is such good writing and world building is because for those of us who know history don't see this as fiction, its just real history played out with a star wars backdrop. Which makes it that much scarier when looking at how far along we are to this
I bet you're a leftist. The core worlds didn't need the rim to prosper. They had plenty of rich planets in the core worlds region itself and in the colonies, like Fondor, Kuat, Balmorra and thousands of uninhabitad mining worlds. Keep in mind that just because the coreward regions were the most dense, it doesn't mean that every single star system was inhabited. Far from it. While the rim didn't have as much privileges as the more coreward worlds, the most important reason why it sucked was because it was outside the jurisdiction of the Republic, even the worlds that officially belonged to it. Oftentimes, these systems were ruled by (Hutt) crime syndicates who didn't care about the Republic. That's why slavery was so prevalent in the rim, even though it was forbidden in the Republic. Remember what Shmi told Padmé. Speaking of Padmé, even most planets in the mid rim like Naboo were civilized compared to the outer rim, so the vast majority of galactic inhabitants enjoyed the benefits of the Republic.
I agree. Nationalism distracts the people by giving them a foreign escapegoat, while the real culprits are spared and even cheered. The mentality of us vs them will always lead to atrocities.
@@wilhufftarkin8543 No, you must be a rightist how you blatantly misrepresent the corrupt capitalistic design of 1st world regions basing their wealth off of the exploitation of the less developed regions The Core was kept alive by the constant flow of trade from mid to outer rim. The core had the developed industry and citizen population centers that made up the society of the republic. But they were only sustained by the costant flow of raw goods like food, water, natural resources, and material from the mid to outer rim. The core needed the raw materials from outer rim which were then refined by the industrial sectors in the core to sustain there good living standards. Without that trade the core would starve as seen in the old republic era when the mandalorians blockaded the hydian way trade route and almost overnight the core world was stripped of all essential raw goods from the outer rim which in turn almost collapsed the republic if the blockade hadn't been broken by smugglers like Hylo Visz. Almost all throughout the history of the galaxy the outer and mid rims have been given the shorter end of benefits from the economy and even outright exploited by the then growing corporate sectors like the trade federation who took advantage of their less developed status which eventually lead to their separatist succession. This is the sad fact of unregulated capitalism, by design it needs a constant under developed impoverished sector to sustain and enrich its counterpart sectors with cheap goods made by cheap labor who can only be cheap due to its lower standards of living which the core always made sure would happen.
I expected this to be about the old EU clone wars where clones went mad, the quicker they were grown the quicker they lost their minds as the Force rejected their existence. Only Thrawn was able to figure out that puzzle.
Dark Horse Comics did a good damn job exploring and adding lore to the early Post-Order 66/A New Hope Era of Star Wars. They also did an excellent job at creating the foundations of the future (Legacy Era) and the very ancient past (Pre-Republic). I miss there work. I miss "real" Star Wars stories...
Real Sith, tough combat, great plots, political schemes, ancient enemies, powerful weapons, wise teachings, heroic people, and complex conflicts... That golden era is over.
All the more reason to join and/or support the Star Wars Legends movement. They are fighting to see Legends continue as a separate, but equal timeline alongside the new canon with new stories.
The CIS holdouts reminds me of how in WWII when the German remnant forces, those that didn't defect or go into hiding, still kept fighting even after Berlin was overtaken by Allied forces which led Germany to surrender before having dealt with them eventually.
Los reductos Japoneses de la post-guerra fueron más duraderos qué los de Alemania. Hay un montón de historias de Japoneses qué se escondían incluso por decadas. Los de la Wehrmacht y las Waffen-SS no duraron tanto en la clandestinidad.
Geetsly's I swear you must have a Hunger Jacks sponsor or something as for the past year I've only ever gotten their adds on your content an nobody elses and five just in this video. Oi btw idea for a video and a question I've pondered awhile but were Naval Officers during the Clone Wars seen as non combatants? As none of them on either side never ever seem to carry PDW's aboard theirs ships and by the looks most executed without fighting back, exhibt A Admiral Trench in S.7. This could be expanded to Ground officers too none carried any. But after the Clone Wars you see the rebel/ imperial officers carry PDW's.
Strange. I only ever get USAA bank ads on this channel, because it’s the military banking system for the US. I think it’s personalized for the individual watching.
@@yeetbra9485 ...... Our accent is pretty recognisable. @Zach Wagner Yes, ads nowadays are very much tailored to the individual. It's really scary how much intellectual info of ours is "out there."
At first I thought this was gonna be about the Clone rebellion on Kamino, still a great video 👍 By the way, when are you gonna collab with The Front? 😉
the intro clip with the lines and the beeping just brought back a major wave of nostalgia, it reminds me of watching my brother play the game in his bedroom
The Clones snapping was probably one of the reasons why they were replaced Palpatine could not trust them, especially if they found out about his role in the Clone Wars
Funny enoguht the clones got retirment packet so they don't have to work after they retire unless they want to as instructors. They get high pensions from the empire
I'm happy the Canon changed at least some part of it... Although, hearing "They even burnt villages where some Jedi might have been passing by" reminds me so much of Wermaht...
Would you be willing to play a game (maybe DLC for Fallen Order) that focuses on Vader/ the Inquisitorius and the 501st hunting down the Jedi? You would play as either a clone trooper and/or an Inquisitor with a special reward for exceptional skill being a section where you can play as Vader on specific solo missions. There could even be an option to capture Jedi, for instance you can have an unlockable skill like Dun Möch that allows you to mock and taunt weak-minded Jedi and possibly convince them during the fight that all hope is lost causing them to fall to the dark side and serve the Empire.
1:48-1:56: Oh cool, an image of the Battle of Boz Pity (The more you know) lol. 3:18-3:21: I'd argue at least some Clones did care about civilians, but only those that were taught compassion by their Jedi leaders, like the 501st, 212th, and Wolf Pack. However, not every Clone unit was like that, some had a lot of anger and now without anyone to temper that anger they unleashed it on the Galaxy. And even those that were compassionate had that overridden thanks to the Inhibitor Chip. That's kind of ironic when you think about, all throughout the Clone Wars we saw the kind and brave 501st Clones as heroes, but as the war dragged on, more of those kind-hearted Clones died off, Hardcase, Tup, Fives, and so on, and after the war, the kind ones left were turned into mindless killing machines by the Chips. Just think of all the horrors they committed as Vader's Fist. I guess that old saying is true in the case of all those good and kind Clone units, "You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain." Except for Rex thankfully and presumably Echo since his Chip was probably too damaged after what the Techno Union did to him.
@@Supersonicspyro honestly, the clone wars slots well with most of what was discussed in the video i'd reckon. Obviously there'd be some elements that would need tweaking but for the most part it works
@@britishrex5515 I agree. I feel there are many great Legends stories that can fit in the new Canon with some tweaking here and there. I kind of do that with some of my Star Wars fanfics were I either take a battle seen in both Canon and Legends and combined elements from both to form a new version of the battle, or I take a Legends Battle and try to fit it into the new Disney Canon, like the Battle of Jambiim or Boz Pity, by making adjustments to it.
We need a second Clone War to explain why they were called the Clone Wars (plural). Different campaigns during the first war don't make them separate wars.
It's really no wonder the Jedi were more or less incompetent as generals. They simply didn't have the training for it. No matter how competent they were as individual combatants or even small units, they couldn't possibly have been prepared to command thousands upon thousands of troops.
Except they did. That's why they managed to hold off quintillions of battle droids with only millions or billions of clone troopers. That's a very good quality when it comes to generals.
Except they weren't incompetent. A lot of battles during the Clone Wars were won due to Jedi leadership. The problem was many Jedi did not want to send soldiers to their deaths as they were trained as peacekeepers.
The title might be a little confusing at first, nevertheless, great video. Yet, I thought at first that you were going to compare CW 2003 against TCW 2008.
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Geetsly: “The second clone war was way darker than the first”
Me: “There was a second one?”
Apparently so
Same
Mmmmmmmhhjjh That's going to be the next movie Disney makes after they see the title for this video attack of the clones chapter 2 lol
Just wait till you realize there's a third one
@@robbycool8336 clone wars revenge of the clones
Galaxy: "Yay. The evil Jedi are gone. We will finally have peace!"
Empire: "Well, yes but no."
Core World Civilian: Yeah the Republic and Jedi are finally gone forever. Now we can live in peace.
Out Rim/Alien Homeworld: Nothing but lies and bullshit for the average CIS citizens and neutral system citizens. We're all gonna get killed!
@@kingnamor777 I mean, was it any different on the Outer Rim before?
@@kingnamor777 Actually the rim: Nothing have change, still the shit world on the rim
@@alphariusfuze8089 Yes and No. Because now the Out Rim worlds are being governor and control by an evil Empire on their homeworld and some of them are being sold as slaves. It's no different than our society. Things keep on getting worse and worse nonstop.
Peace requires power...
*galaxy has a large bloody war*
The Empire: Woah, let's do that again
@Joe McIlroy Your new empire?
And everyone thought the Republic was bad news huh😑. The Empire is 10× times worse specially to the Out Rim territories.
@@SweetDreamsHalo3 Don’t make me kill you..
@@BootboysnHarleys Anakin , my allegiance is to the republic , TO DEMOCRACY.
Basically early 20th century Europe
I could take a 8th Clone Wars season from this POV tbh.
Maybe a Clone Wars Legacy miniseries.
That's what the bad batch will be about
@@jameshersom2536 We'll see.
James Hersom nah apparently they’ll be looking for merc work
@Purple Emerald i think it’s canon that cad bane survived all the way to the first order era.
title: “Why the SECOND CLONE WARS Was so Much Darker Than the First”
thumbnail: *WAR CRIMES.*
_yeah. no kidding._
He implies that they weren’t already committing war crimes though...
There's always time for a war crime
Zanny, right?
If that's true then American history is nothing but war crimes.
Checkmate.
@@ffnendhgrgd Germans:😓
This is basically the epilogue of the Clone Wars.
If they make a Battlefront 3 they should make the Campaign focused on that specific timeline with the main Character being Commander Cody
when the epilogue is longer than the actual book
@@elharvey5032 or bacara then i can finaly know what happend to him 😃
Final Mission: Tying up loose ends
@@elharvey5032with how shitty BF2’s (2017) campaign, I would rather not see another single player campaign by EA/Dice
Clone Wars 2: Electric Boogaloo
The Galactic Boog
💀
Hermitcraft reference? As if so I’ll pay my diamonds
All ways sunny?
Nice very nice
The fact that there are no novels or comics on the Re-conquest of the Rim especially from the Imperial POV is a crime. Its the perfect backdrop to get Imperial stories.
Amen. The post endor era of warlords was so interesting to read about in legends.
Everyone: Is that legal?
JediAcolyte26: I will make it legal
Me and other CIS fans who are still waiting for a story that is from their POV: (Sad Confederate Sounds)
Why the Imperial POV? Why not from the former Separatist POV? I feel that is much more interesting.
@@GeneralKenobi75 im down with both tbh. I would love a show or movie that makes me want to cheer for vader.
Seperatists: *lose the war*
Civilians: thank you! republic has freed us!
Empire: more like... under new management
Many of those civilians were free under the CIS
Shhhh just play along
Don’t think I didn’t notice that Megamind reference.
If your in the outer rim your life privileges have been revoked
Yuuzhan Vong: Hold our beers.
"The clones never really cared about the people of the galaxy."
Waxer, boil, rex and the 501 ignoring the deserter and his family: are we a joke to you?
The rest of the Clone Army: "Yes, you are."
What about the clones that were playing with the younglings on the other planet...
And the clones on Ryloth, we know the chips twisted their personalities and that it varies on how it affected them.
Every other clone
"Good soldiers follow orders"
The clones in media before the Clone Wars TV used to be more ruthless and inhibitor chips did not exist to proof their innocence.
I want animated or live action content from this era so badly
Maybe we'll get this story told in the Bad Batch tv series that's coming out next year?
@Tom Ffrench Unfortunately, no because Disney is afraid to make their content that dark.
@Tom Ffrench Yeah, I can see Disney doing that instead.
Find a talented fan who decides to adapt this dark part of the Clone Wars with groundbreaking CGI that can surpass and show Disney how a true Star Wars series is made. I dont care if its dark and goes against their norms this franchise needs a bit of power of the dark side but not all of it. Just tap into it but not for long and go back to the light to keep the darkness in balance. Just like the Jedaii.
@Tom Ffrench i dont think its your call as to how dark it can be, thats George's decision
Ooof. The separatists really got done dirty by the end of the clone wars
Well, they sort of won in the end...sort of...
@@rosesweetcharlotte the only winner was the Emperor, the CIS lost everything, so did the Republic
Alejandro Hernández I think she means through the alliance. Since it was confirmed some ex separatist/holdouts did join the Rebels.
@@rosesweetcharlotte The CIS lost. Trillions of people were occupied by brutal soldiers for years.
The Emperor won.
The average Republic citizen thought they'd won for a good 15 years or so till things started getting bad for the average citizen under the Empire
@@neofulcrum5013 Ohh, well I would not consider it a "separatist victory" like that but, alright
Disney : We just had the clone wars
Fans : What about second clone wars
Basically the bad batch, hopefully
We had one clone wars yes but what about second clone wars?
@@maddoxcindy5017 They did create many chaotic problems for the empire on Ryloth, Raxus,... only in ss1 so yeah i can see second clone wars coming in.
This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them.
The grandmaster gizmo has came to your comment!
@@-zgizmo224-5 nice
2003 nice
There is another
Hello there
CT-5539: *Retires and becomes a farmer*
Me: Farming? A man of your talents?
CT-5539: it's a peaceful life
He didn’t give his story the right amount of love
That story of CT-5539 still haunts me to this day because he and Darth Vader were friends. He saw how much of a monster Vader had become and when Vader killed everyone in the command room were CT-5539 was being held, he mentioned how emotional absent Vader was acting even comparing his friend Vader to a Droid. Vader had become more Machine than human at this point. That line alone I’m the comic was brilliant.
Hayden also became a farmer funnily enough
Imperial Military: We've come to protect you...
Civilians: Hooray! It's the Galactic Empire!
Imperial Military: ... from yourselves!
Civilians: Oh no! It's the Galactic Empire!
Hellsing Ultimate abridged.
Thank you for the laugh.
They should just be glad it ain’t the imperium
@@magnusthered4973 or chaos worshippers, tau, tyrannids, dark eldar, orks, etc.
TFS reference! :D
Geetsly: the second clone wars wa-
Me: the... *WHAT*
Someone should make a TV series of the second clone wars.
Who else thought he was talking about how Dave Filoni’s Clone Wars was way darker and grim than the 2003 Clone Wars?
Me
I feel like we need more discussions about just how fucking dark TCW is. Like, Order 66 was always dark, but TCW turned it into the fucking Red Wedding.
Well, the cartoon we know as 2003's Clone Wars was made just to sell Revenge of the Sith, and fill up the gap that Lucas decided to leave open between 2 and 3 (seriously, TPM should have been AOTC, and them the second movie should have entirely being about the Clone Wars).
But the cartoon is only a small fragment of the Clone Wars Multimedia project. The comics and books are as dark or even darker than TCW. Ventress tortures Obi-Wan and Alpha-17 for weeks, Anakin is far more ruthless and violent, Count Dooku has a cabal of Dark Jedi that are complete psychos, and Dooku himself is far more evil and murderous than his TCW counterpart.
BigBangRafa We’re talking about the cartoon, not anything else.
@Tom Ffrench It's probably because you watched TCW first, human beings get used to anything they see first, It's one of the many reasons why many people hated the prequels after growing up with the Original Trilogy.
But the contradictions appeared because Filoni decided that he wanted to ignore the timeline and the events brought up by the Clone Wars Multimedia Project, and at that point George wasn't really caring that much about continuity (one of the reasons why he sold It to the so called "White Slavers" years later), so he allowed him to do almost everything he wished to.
Overall, TCW has made som e things better while completly fucking up others. It made Anakin a likeable character, a true hero like Like was, wich finally makes his downfall meaningfull in Revenge of the Sith. It also brought many new and positive additions, like Ashoka and the return of Maul.
But the Dark Side was SEVERELY destroyed. Ventress storyline was really bad, Count Dooku is not as evil as he was supposed to be and do not have his army of Dark jedi (who were awesome by the way), and Grievous is a COMPLETE JOKE, and apparently has faced Anakin SEVERAL TIMES before ROTS, when they were clearly meeting by the first time.
I like to mix both of them in my personal headcannon, building up a timeline with the villains from the EU and the good guys of TCW, this makes everything look better.
The immediate period after order 66 I feel is full of untapped potential, show the transition from clones to regular storm troopers, the final CIS holdouts, Vader making his name, the Empire establishing itself, and the beginnings of the Rebellion. Rebels didn’t do enough for this pre Death Star era.
Here's hoping Bad Batch delivers.
I would pay good money to see this as a mini series. It could also explain how so many Clone Troopers died and replaced by the Stroomtrooopers so quickly
And to think an empire with a planet destroying war weapon was brought down by a few rebels, a princess, a former smuggler and his wookie pal, a former gambler, and a farmer boy that used to shoot womp rats in his T-16, oh and Porkins helped somewhat too lmao
Operation Cinder itself did more damage to the Empire's long term survival after Endor. The Empire still and all the manpower, money and tools needed to crush the rebellion for good even after Endor but Palpatine had to be an idiot and sore loser and destroy it all. Even though he had clone body on standby it seems from the ninth film so he could have just ruled form their while he recovers his power.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD we like to pretend those dumpster fires don't exist
@@ntfoperative9432 in legends the empire's collapse was due to infighting rather than some nero-decree-esk order. it felt mutch more like a commentary on empires (and how succession issues and infighting almost always causes their defeat) rather than the more cartoonishly evil empire we get in canon, which just becomes even stupider when its revealed palps didn't die.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 canonicaly there was still infighting, the faction we follow in BF2 is only a small part of the empire fleet, given orders by Palpatine himself, which is how they were defeated so easily on Jakku
@@matthiuskoenig3378 He did die, it was a clone
The Clone Wars were so bad that the effects were still during the Rebellion. The retaking of the outer rim was going to be bloody, and it was going to be Clones that either spilled that blood or they bleed themselves. The Galactic Empire was born though blood and suffering while wouldn’t it be different after order 66.
This is basically the era where Palpatine could do what ever he wanted
Vader sending the specific group of clones that each jedi used to lead to kill that jedi is awesome haha
@@tateullock7236 ok
@@tateullock7236 what's happening to me
@@tateullock7236 wait I already checked this one out twice
@@tateullock7236 I'm tripping on shrooms who are you and how are you psychic and time traveling?
@@SquirrelASMR hell yeah dude
People always gloss over this but the Clones were bread for war the Jedi held them back
Mmmmmm...bread...
Bread?
You could say they were a bit toasty under the helmet. XD
Lol *bred
Republic Bread Troopers
2nd clone wars?
This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them!
They can't do that! Jango shoot them, or something!
“Always two there are, no more, no less.”
So pretty much the original BF2
@@dgenerate707 still the best BF to me.
0:40 The third clone trooper to the left is like "Is she serious right now?".
XDD yes
Considering the crap and horrors the Clones and the officers went through the Clone Wars, I can understand why they treated the Separatists with extreme prejudice, especially now that the (mostly) incompetent and problematic Jedi were out of the way.
We even see in the show that Civilians and senators viewed and treated the living, sentient clones no better than Droids, so it makes sense that they'd treat them the same way.
(Not saying it would be justified to commit war crimes or especially genocide, absolutely not. Just saying that it's clear why the Clones were so cruel, their upbringing and life long treatment is why this happened, tragic as it was 😓)
@Tom Ffrench
They were. Some were amazing, like the ones we're shown in the show like Plo Koon, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Aayla Secura, etc. But many weren't fit to be leaders and made decisions sometimes that cost them in the long run.
Remember, they're keepers of the peace, not soldiers. Many times they did more harm than good. There's a reason some clones didn't like their jedi, and many civilians didn't either.
@@thalmoragent9344 and krell is prime example yes we knew he was a traitor but he was one of the many jedi who don't care of clone lives and they're those who are inexperienced like Kitt Fisto's padawan who got himself and his whole unit killed even Mundi wasn't that good at taking charge in battle as well but at least him and his clones know how to fight to survive
@Tom Ffrench from my assignment and opinion on jedi in legends during the clone wars the majority of active jedi were better leaders on the battle field compared to those who were more passive and stayed at the temple also those who saw the clones as tools instead of actual living beings with the potential to become individuals,and who were more arrogant tended to have more casualties and less victories
@Tom Ffrench the Republic didn't win the war, the Empire did
@@cyberj1nx in other words the Republic and the Empire should just be completely destroy. In order to create a more equal standing government.
Two of my favorite battles in Battlefront 2(OG) was the two Empire vs Seperatist missions. A whole campaign around that concept would be amazing.
That was actually apart of the Reconquest of the Rim.
A single star wars comic: Exists
Geetsly: Unlimited UA-cam content.
WHAT THERE WAS A SECOND CLONE WARS
Reconquest of the Rim is the name of the conflict on wookieepedia
More like a campaign after the civil war was over.
Always has been
@@alexporter7379 You could even call it...
The Reconquista
Always have been
3:18 - *Waxer, Rex, and Boil:* “Are we a joke to you.”
The CIS and Separatists have always been the "good guys" in my eyes lmao. Probably my favorite Star Wars faction.
I mean they aren’t perfect by any means. They are lead largely by greedy businessmen. Considering they also practiced slavery, they give me some southern United States vibes
@@sthenelos1 still better than the republic lmaooo
If you don’t support the republic and empire you are just wrong.
@@sthenelos1 The CIS does not enslave anyone, why do you want slaves if you have quadrillion droids at your disposal? No, the closest thing to slavery the CIS committed was when they used some civilians in Ryloth as human shields (although the responsibility for this atrocity goes to Watt Tambor, who basically did this behind the back of the rest of the CIS), or the Zygerrian Empire, although they were allies of the CIS but not part of them.
@@Sleeepyboyouthere i support the republic most, but i support CIS more than the empire
I've finally found it after 7 years. I watched this a lot back in 2012 and 2013. thank you lord
I absolutely LOVE it when UA-camrs actively try to participate and interact with their communities.
5:03 "Ah, more younglings to slay. What a beautiful day!"
Of course the core didn't care at the war crimes being committed by 'their' soldiers and state. Because it wasnt happening to them, it didn't effect them, it wasn't happening where they could see it and thus they could ignore it. The core always lived off and benefited off the suffering and exploitation of the outer rim who supplied their higher standards of living at the cost of their own.
The Rim succeed because of these systmic problems and most of the core citizens had no idea and were turned against them and eventually into the Empire by radical nationalism and ignorance to their suffering. The us versus them mentality can easily manipulate the masses. The reason this is such good writing and world building is because for those of us who know history don't see this as fiction, its just real history played out with a star wars backdrop. Which makes it that much scarier when looking at how far along we are to this
I bet you're a leftist.
The core worlds didn't need the rim to prosper. They had plenty of rich planets in the core worlds region itself and in the colonies, like Fondor, Kuat, Balmorra and thousands of uninhabitad mining worlds. Keep in mind that just because the coreward regions were the most dense, it doesn't mean that every single star system was inhabited. Far from it. While the rim didn't have as much privileges as the more coreward worlds, the most important reason why it sucked was because it was outside the jurisdiction of the Republic, even the worlds that officially belonged to it. Oftentimes, these systems were ruled by (Hutt) crime syndicates who didn't care about the Republic. That's why slavery was so prevalent in the rim, even though it was forbidden in the Republic. Remember what Shmi told Padmé. Speaking of Padmé, even most planets in the mid rim like Naboo were civilized compared to the outer rim, so the vast majority of galactic inhabitants enjoyed the benefits of the Republic.
mmmmm smells like a communist too me ^
I agree. Nationalism distracts the people by giving them a foreign escapegoat, while the real culprits are spared and even cheered. The mentality of us vs them will always lead to atrocities.
@@wilhufftarkin8543 No, you must be a rightist how you blatantly misrepresent the corrupt capitalistic design of 1st world regions basing their wealth off of the exploitation of the less developed regions
The Core was kept alive by the constant flow of trade from mid to outer rim. The core had the developed industry and citizen population centers that made up the society of the republic. But they were only sustained by the costant flow of raw goods like food, water, natural resources, and material from the mid to outer rim. The core needed the raw materials from outer rim which were then refined by the industrial sectors in the core to sustain there good living standards.
Without that trade the core would starve as seen in the old republic era when the mandalorians blockaded the hydian way trade route and almost overnight the core world was stripped of all essential raw goods from the outer rim which in turn almost collapsed the republic if the blockade hadn't been broken by smugglers like Hylo Visz. Almost all throughout the history of the galaxy the outer and mid rims have been given the shorter end of benefits from the economy and even outright exploited by the then growing corporate sectors like the trade federation who took advantage of their less developed status which eventually lead to their separatist succession.
This is the sad fact of unregulated capitalism, by design it needs a constant under developed impoverished sector to sustain and enrich its counterpart sectors with cheap goods made by cheap labor who can only be cheap due to its lower standards of living which the core always made sure would happen.
Ah, just like real life
We must get the starships back into space
Quick activate the nav becon so we can go up
Hey I saw u in the ww2 channel
This is gonna be good btw
Of course it is
What's crazy is that people are still making videos with legends content than canon. Shows how much better legends is
I expected this to be about the old EU clone wars where clones went mad, the quicker they were grown the quicker they lost their minds as the Force rejected their existence. Only Thrawn was able to figure out that puzzle.
"My how time flies, it's been 10,000 years already."
Imperial pilot after the destruction of Death Star II, probably.
Dark Horse Comics did a good damn job exploring and adding lore to the early Post-Order 66/A New Hope Era of Star Wars. They also did an excellent job at creating the foundations of the future (Legacy Era) and the very ancient past (Pre-Republic). I miss there work. I miss "real" Star Wars stories...
We all do 🥺
Dark Horse has some great comics, always a good read
Thats my canon
Real Sith, tough combat, great plots, political schemes, ancient enemies, powerful weapons, wise teachings, heroic people, and complex conflicts... That golden era is over.
All the more reason to join and/or support the Star Wars Legends movement. They are fighting to see Legends continue as a separate, but equal timeline alongside the new canon with new stories.
The CIS holdouts reminds me of how in WWII when the German remnant forces, those that didn't defect or go into hiding, still kept fighting even after Berlin was overtaken by Allied forces which led Germany to surrender before having dealt with them eventually.
Los reductos Japoneses de la post-guerra fueron más duraderos qué los de Alemania.
Hay un montón de historias de Japoneses qué se escondían incluso por decadas. Los de la Wehrmacht y las Waffen-SS no duraron tanto en la clandestinidad.
Geetsly's I swear you must have a Hunger Jacks sponsor or something as for the past year I've only ever gotten their adds on your content an nobody elses and five just in this video.
Oi btw idea for a video and a question I've pondered awhile but were Naval Officers during the Clone Wars seen as non combatants? As none of them on either side never ever seem to carry PDW's aboard theirs ships and by the looks most executed without fighting back, exhibt A Admiral Trench in S.7.
This could be expanded to Ground officers too none carried any.
But after the Clone Wars you see the rebel/ imperial officers carry PDW's.
Now that you mention it, that is something he could do a topic on.
Hahahahah! Hungry Jacks wants your business it seems.
Great idea mate, will see if I can slot it in
Strange. I only ever get USAA bank ads on this channel, because it’s the military banking system for the US. I think it’s personalized for the individual watching.
@@geetslys oh lol I didn't realize you were an Aussie? When I read the comment I thought you'd be like "dafuck is Hungry Jack's?"
@@yeetbra9485 ......
Our accent is pretty recognisable.
@Zach Wagner Yes, ads nowadays are very much tailored to the individual. It's really scary how much intellectual info of ours is "out there."
"The *_Second_* Clone Wars"
Me: "Visible confusion"
At first I thought this was gonna be about the Clone rebellion on Kamino, still a great video 👍
By the way, when are you gonna collab with The Front? 😉
Maybe soon. Gotta keep an eye out for it. 👀
@Geetsly's will do
He is the front
Officially there was no clone rebellion on Kamino
the intro clip with the lines and the beeping just brought back a major wave of nostalgia, it reminds me of watching my brother play the game in his bedroom
I am here early for once! Love your content and community you got here! Keep up the great work
Thank you! Appreciate your viewership
Yes please, id love to hear as much on the reconquest of the Rim as possible!
*Empire:* What about Clone Wars ?
*Galaxy:* We’ve already have it.
*Empire:* We’ve had one yes, what about Second Clone Wars ?
*Wars?
The Clones snapping was probably one of the reasons why they were replaced
Palpatine could not trust them, especially if they found out about his role in the Clone Wars
Palpatine: Congratulations Clones! You just helped me take control of the galaxy!
Clones: Oh great, what do I win?
Palpatine: Nothing! Now get out!
Funny enoguht the clones got retirment packet so they don't have to work after they retire unless they want to as instructors. They get high pensions from the empire
Some of the artwork in this vid is incredibly beautiful
I love this time period cause it is just a ruthless time. Fugtive jedi beginning of rebel cells, it shows just how evil and ruthless the empire was.
Galaxy: Yay the clone war is over!!
Empire: There is another.
The tittle has some “why the Second World War was darker than the first” vibes to it lmao
0:17 man that's just epic art .
I would absolutely love to hear more about the reconquest of the rim!
The comic with Keller and Bomo was literally like my favorite as a kid, always glad to hear about em
Clone Troopers: "We’re not just soldiers. We’re brothers! We fight for the Republic and fight for each other!"
CT-5539: *"No, I don’t think so."*
The transition at 1:00 made me cry, so many damn good memories
If you know you know....
They should do season 8 that shows where all our favorite clones end up (Cody, bad batch, etc.)
I'm happy the Canon changed at least some part of it...
Although, hearing "They even burnt villages where some Jedi might have been passing by" reminds me so much of Wermaht...
Would you be willing to play a game (maybe DLC for Fallen Order) that focuses on Vader/ the Inquisitorius and the 501st hunting down the Jedi?
You would play as either a clone trooper and/or an Inquisitor with a special reward for exceptional skill being a section where you can play as Vader on specific solo missions.
There could even be an option to capture Jedi, for instance you can have an unlockable skill like Dun Möch that allows you to mock and taunt weak-minded Jedi and possibly convince them during the fight that all hope is lost causing them to fall to the dark side and serve the Empire.
Everyone: "Ok, this is worse"
Jedi: "Too late"
1:48-1:56: Oh cool, an image of the Battle of Boz Pity (The more you know) lol.
3:18-3:21: I'd argue at least some Clones did care about civilians, but only those that were taught compassion by their Jedi leaders, like the 501st, 212th, and Wolf Pack. However, not every Clone unit was like that, some had a lot of anger and now without anyone to temper that anger they unleashed it on the Galaxy. And even those that were compassionate had that overridden thanks to the Inhibitor Chip. That's kind of ironic when you think about, all throughout the Clone Wars we saw the kind and brave 501st Clones as heroes, but as the war dragged on, more of those kind-hearted Clones died off, Hardcase, Tup, Fives, and so on, and after the war, the kind ones left were turned into mindless killing machines by the Chips. Just think of all the horrors they committed as Vader's Fist. I guess that old saying is true in the case of all those good and kind Clone units, "You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain." Except for Rex thankfully and presumably Echo since his Chip was probably too damaged after what the Techno Union did to him.
Remember what he's talking about is legends content, which clone wars 2008 never really fit in
@@Supersonicspyro honestly, the clone wars slots well with most of what was discussed in the video i'd reckon. Obviously there'd be some elements that would need tweaking but for the most part it works
@@britishrex5515 I agree. I feel there are many great Legends stories that can fit in the new Canon with some tweaking here and there. I kind of do that with some of my Star Wars fanfics were I either take a battle seen in both Canon and Legends and combined elements from both to form a new version of the battle, or I take a Legends Battle and try to fit it into the new Disney Canon, like the Battle of Jambiim or Boz Pity, by making adjustments to it.
Would love to see a game, show, or movie about these conflicts
We need a second Clone War to explain why they were called the Clone Wars (plural). Different campaigns during the first war don't make them separate wars.
I swear that on 07:01 that man held an FN P-90 in his left hand
Why was it darker? Nobody paid the lecky bill. Nae power
Aye keeman
Everyone in the galaxy: It's finally over!!
empire: There is another
It's really no wonder the Jedi were more or less incompetent as generals. They simply didn't have the training for it. No matter how competent they were as individual combatants or even small units, they couldn't possibly have been prepared to command thousands upon thousands of troops.
Except they did. That's why they managed to hold off quintillions of battle droids with only millions or billions of clone troopers. That's a very good quality when it comes to generals.
Except they weren't incompetent. A lot of battles during the Clone Wars were won due to Jedi leadership. The problem was many Jedi did not want to send soldiers to their deaths as they were trained as peacekeepers.
Yes more about the reconquest pls
I wanna see the Bad Batch show cover this time period and conflict really badly
Agreed i dont actually want the bad batch to show the clone wars 1 again
Sharfa Dhamin Maybe a tiny bit, but only at the very beginning. Definitely wouldn’t want it to cover the first clone war again
plz do a mini series explaining in depth the individual conquests of the second clone war.
Geetsly's: why the second clone wars was so much worse than the first
me: the *W H A T*
Pippin : We've had one, yes. What about second clone wars? Merry : I don't think he knows about second clone wars, Pip. Pippin : What about elevenses?
Wow! This was so informative. I had no idea there was TWO Clone Wars! More ones like this please!
5:05 ah ye olde "seek and destroy" tactic so popular during the vietnam war, just point to a location and kill everything that breathes.
This is getting out of hand, now there are 2 of them!
This is the best star wars channel by far
Nobody:
Geetsly’s: thE rEaSoN (x piece of lore) iS dArK
Listening to to sounds of warriors and scratching heads going like “ what in the hell is going on? Ohh well, we still got to fight “.
Imagine a new trilogy during this era... although, Disney would never allow it 😪
Clone wars 2:force lightning boogaloo
Stormtrooper: War’s over, Seppie
7:05 man’s got the space P-90 build
People: there was a second Clone War!?
Me: yeah, that’s why they call it the Clone Wars and not the Clone War
Judging from the direction of the Bad Batch. Third Clone War, the Kamino Rebellion. The final justification to replace Clones with Recruits.
@@Razgriz_01 Friggin...Spoiler Boi over here
Me Seeing Second Clone Wars For The First Time: *I Was Looking Forward To This*
Me reading the title: This is getting out of hand! Now there are two of them!
7:01 The good ol' P90 Blaster
Geetsly's: "Why the SECOND CLONE WARS Was so Much Darker Than the First"
Me: "The WHAT"
How do we not have more of this era in the timeline.
The title might be a little confusing at first, nevertheless, great video.
Yet, I thought at first that you were going to compare CW 2003 against TCW 2008.
Man, is sad to see all of this becoming decanonized, it was simply great
Short answer: yes. More reconquest.
Such a brilliant name for a campaign "The Reconquest of the Rim" its name says specifically what that quest is about .
“Why the second clone war was...”
*This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!*