But raditz saga GOKU is the best martial artist in History and martial arts like kimpo have 30 stages in dbz while in real life there is only 5 meaning his whole verse is more adavances in martial arts 🥋
@@U1Gaming-qk8py I only remember him learning Kame-Sennin Ryu style, which is a mix of a few popular eastern martial arts. I wouldn't consider Goku a "Master" until the Cell Saga, personally.
@@Unremarkable6969 he was stated to be on Par with grandpa gohan in terms of martial arts techniques who also stated to have learned every martial arts in dragon ball earth universe I can send you it do you have discord
it is actually stated that goku is a master of all martial arts and surpassed grandpa gohan that was considered the greatest martial artist in the world and also knew every martial art in the world, so goku is not that behind in terms of experience
For me, Goku in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai and Demon King Piccolo Saga was a teen, because he was 15 years old at the time. I'd say arcs after Red-Ribbon is when Goku wasn't a kid anymore, but this is very subjective and depends on your opinion of when Goku stopped being a literal kid, i.e. age-wise.
Baki would imagine a Clone of Goku and will one-shot himself. Or, either that he would understand that Goku's physical limitations are so beyond anything he knows to where he can't picture a perfect copy of the clone just like he did with Pickle.
Kid Goku wins. But i always HATE whenever Dragon Ball powerscalers do a versus of another series and they will use anything a character in Dragon Ball says as the word of God, but whenever someone else says something, like Baki saying the thing about hes surpassed speed, they are so hesitant to count it as a feat. Like why?
Goku when bones broken: "n..neee.need se..nzuuuu beansss..." *passes out* Baki when bones broken: "I've become more agile, just gotta imagine that my hand is a whip"
@@Unremarkable6969you said that Goku is still learning martial arts which is true but the things is this that. Db martial arts lvl is Higher like in real world highest dan you can have is 10 dan where Master roshi in og db defeated a wolf who was 30 dan master.
The problem with baki fighters punching at the speed of sound. The entire arm not reaching mach speed Dude was mimicing a whip so only a tip of his fist reaches the speed of sound at the point of impact
Something to note, if Kid Goku is equal or above Roshi, is that Roshi says to the wolf man after he beats him that it was a "difference if experience," to which the wolfman says "I'm a 30th (or something like that) level black belt in (I cannot remember sorry). This obviously does not exist in real life, which puts into perspective the differences between the two. Also "Baki is faster than light" I'm sorry but no way. I understand Baki is a wacky show but I think that completely transcends it. I refuse to believe that is true.
0:56 its not a weird thing baki does actually boxer can do that too ots called shadow boxing where you imagine the movments of your opponents and adapt to the fighting style
You are partially right BUT in the anime, Baki also FEELS the hits and attacks which is something a boxer can't do. We can indeed imagine how a certain situation can damage you but the imagination can never come close to what actually happens. I can confirm this as someone who went to professional boxing for five years.
@@xodiser8556yeah. And it's not just a feeling, punches of opponents imagined by Baki do have an impact on both him and his surroundings. Like the time he got punched by imagined Yujiro and people in the area around him thought that was an earthquake. It's almost like his stand ability lol
I wanted to commission a 3v1, with Featherine, Yogsothoth and The Weaver vs Baki, but then I realized that he can "imagine clones of someone" and knew it was a spite match and Baki would curbstomp.
Kid Goku has better durability feats than Biscuit Oliva, being able to tank bullets from military grade weapons,while Oliva got pierced by a random shotgun Goku is also FTL already,a speed feat nobody has Oh,and also he beat a guy who could destroy the moon
Kid Goku was also beginning to surpass a master roshi in martial arts who's dubbed "The god of martial arts", Roshi who surpassed fighters that are much more experienced than the best martial artists even in our world.
I can't take seriously anyone who thinks Goku isn't a fully experienced martial artist, because even in super "he is still learning". Neither Roshi or Son Gohan had nothing else to teach Goku by the end of OG Dragon ball, are you telling me those guys were less experienced than Baki?
@@Unremarkable6969 Goku has became a master multiple times over the course of the series, and all of them before the Cell Saga. The random one-off feats that Goku gets that are never used again - like ability to read minds that one time, were given to him because as is fairly well known Dragon Ball was extended a few arcs longer than Toriyama would have liked. Those were to showcase that Goku has reached the mastery and achieved these powers just by being such a master. Starting with Freeza saga Goku even wears his own name on his Gi. to signify that at this point he is his own master, so far beyond anything he learned from Roshi, Kami, or King Kai Toriyama has in an interviews explained that a big mental block for him when writing was the fact he had a hard time believing Goku can get any stronger. As far as Toriyama was concerned Goku reached the peak of what was physically possible back in original Dragon Ball. That's why power ups shifted from training, to potential unlocks, increased gravity, multiplication techniques and transformations - Toriyama needed any way to justify to himself Goku becoming any stronger than he already was
@@nforttff5807 Baki can take a beating, and Goku's Ki output is different from his physical strength. For example, how someone who can shatter solar systems needs Super Saiyan to lift 40 Tons.
Goku in Super Saiyan struggling with 10 tons on each limb would technically be an outlier. As if you actually calculate the objects through Dragon Ball that he has moved, such as in classical Dragon Ball where Kid Goku moved a huge rock. Or the time he catched the mountain that Frieza threw at him with telekinesis.
@joshuakulah1496 If I remember correctly, that was an anime only scene. (Freeza throwing a mountain.) And early Goku was really a gag character, like him being able to break the manga panels with Yamcha's body.
@Unremarkable6969 The Frieza scene being an anime only scene could be the case. But I don't really think it changes much things. As Goku on his way to namek was training under 100 times gravity. With his body weight from 60 kg to 6000 or 6 tons ofcorse. And he was training so much so that he eventually got used to it. With Vegeta the arc later cranking up the gravity to 500x. With hos weight also being similar to 60, this would measure his weight under training to 30 tons in base.
Baki would be a very good opponent for this particular Goku, but I still think Goku would be the winner. Maybe I'd put Baki slightly near to the level of Tien during Daimaoh Piccolo saga, but not entirely.
I'd say we need to remove ki blast attack to increase the consistency of the fight. Their blast attack is vastly more powerful than their physical capabilities at that time.
Given both of their speeds being above light, and Baki being a close quarters fighter, it's unlikely Goku would be able to shoot off a Kamehameha quick enough, not to mention Baki might just dodge the attack.
@@Unremarkable6969 idk man, but In my opp teen krillin and this kid goku is kinda close in term of skill, so feel like even this kid goku can do it. Beside, you said it yourself, they are on ftls shenanigan anyway.
Its not close at all when going over kid goku's actual scaling(made this because i felt like it) Firstly master roshi destroying the moon due to intensity ranges anywhere from planetary to dwarf star level a stronger roshi was sure mafuba was his only way to stop an old dkp and kid goku was equal to prime dkp(due to statements and upscaling goku gets to large star level by the end of og db) Now this doesnt contradict el manga legendario because average planets in db are hundreds to thousands of times bigger than our sun meaning planetary in db is actually solar system level(this is due to namek which has 3 suns orbiting it) and also power levels arent linear For speed the laser dodging during rr saga gets kid goku to ftl to ftl+(end of og db is mftl+ via upscaling)
@@ahmedriyad4264 I don't know if I'd believe that. Yes, Earth is a very small planet compared to most of the universe, King Cold says so himself, so I agree that the statement from El Manga could be contorted a bit to give people with lower power levels earth busting scaling. But where's the evidence for planets THAT big?
@@Unremarkable6969 namek having three suns orbiting it,the size gap needed for orbit to be possible and and namek being called not too big which means at most 1.5× more than average
@@Unremarkable6969Yes planets in db are insanely big , example : planet vegeta was big enough that two stars were orbiting it like the moon and the planet was only 10 times bigger then earth , planet namek was stated to be small and still bigger then 3 freaking stars that orbit it , also there is dr slump (idk if u think his canon or not) stated earth is 4T km or 900 times bigger then the sun 👍
@@Unremarkable6969 they just watch Oficial Divine or people like that and cope the screne from another anime by the same creator to be canon in DB.There is no actual way to scale DB planet to anything bigger than a normal planet,outside of characters calling it "small",which doesn't tell us much,as even Sun is stated to be one of the smaller stars,and the concept of size in the universe is extremely relative.
even though mr satan still loses to yujiro the ap scaling for the baki verse in the video isnt that consistent, the earthquake feat has been calculated multiple times before its only city level even with massive highballing its more so around town-large town level, and the shaking the planet feat just isnt consistent, town level is more consistent for the verse, city level at a high end.
@@DhruvchandraChandrq in that case it would be island level with highballs but in my opinion its just not very consistent for the verse since in terms of scaling they are much more consistently around town-city level, but with that guidebook statement im not against island level as a highball.
Extremely out of context feats for both sides. Goku dodged lightning by predicting it, not with pure speed, you're literally shown he can't react to lightning on speed alone, that was the entire point of him training with the crown, to learn to predict stuff rather than rely on sight or hearing; his "faster than light" feat also literally isn't that either, you don't need to be faster than light to close your eyes for like a second before getting flashed with a technique you already know how it works and grab a pair of shades. Baki can't "shake the entire Earth" either, if he could do something like that with fists alone he would vaporize Goku, Oliva threw Guevara so fast that the satellite that tracks him lost him for an instant making every GPS in the world malfunction since they were connected to that satellite. Baki is underrated here, his actual feats are stuff like hitting with the force of a nuke (because he can hit harder than Oliva, and the strength needed for Oliva to punch Baki through several concrete walls is relative to that), and he moves around Yujiro's speed, which casually is around match 40. Goku in comparison only hits match 30 during the saiyan saga. I'll say actually Baki has the slight advantage, he hits hard, moves faster, but Goku has the experience to dodge his cockroach stance despite being slower, and his ki blasts are annoying, but Baki never has to worry about Goku's kamehameha, because for it to be 'moon level' it needs to be charged, and Baki isn't gonna stand still.
Goku already defeated Baki during the tournament. The show off who broke the wall with his kick. lol He was fighter to show Goku's new skills before Tienshinhan's eyes. Stronger than average human, maybe the peak of standard human martial arts.
I don’t like the “ Baki is on top of his verse and Goku is still learning “ as a comparison to their experience Goku has been deemed “ the strongest martial artist or the best martial artist “ several times in Dragonball via statements and guides , that even followed him into Z. As Goku has to go up against literal otherworldly martial artist , the highest martial art ranking in the world is a 10th Dan and Goku & co. Were easily able to dispatch of someone who’s a 30th Dan , not to mention Roshi and grandpa gohan having to be unsurpassed in all forms of martial arts & knowledge / mastery of every technique or skill Kid Goku would still be vastly above Baki in terms of experience
If you think Roshi Moon busting is an outlier (which tbh it is), I’d say it’s a pretty close fight. I’ll side with Baki since he’s clearly more skilled.
@ Roshi can’t take on the red robin army, Roshi thought Tein destroying the stadium was some impressive ap and dc surpassing the kamehameha, City busting is consistently gassed up in early dragon ball and I think prime King piccolo’s power was compared to a small nuke in the daizenshu but I’ll need to double check that.
@@ExplosiveGrape Master Roshi destroying the moon is consistently referenced, and later during the Saiyan Saga, Piccolo is able to casually one shot the moon. Comparing power levels, a full Power Kamehameha from Roshi destroying the moon is entirely plausible. And that nuke statement from Daizenshuu doesn't make any sense.
@@Unremarkable6969 I don’t remember it ever being casual for piccolo, also he’s far stronger and even then there are somethings to say that’s also an outlier.
@@ExplosiveGrape Take Piccolo's PL during the Raditz fight and during the Saiyan invasion, you can see how strong he got during the year between the two. Then estimate from there. It's not perfect, but I think it's very plausible for Roshi to bust a moon.
@@Unremarkable6969 Goku dodged lightning later and even Tiens Solar flare which is light speed, Yujiro catched lightning but the man stomps his son, also what good is his speed when he cannot even hurt Kid Goku
Baki scales to that Yujiro, if not current Yujiro. Yujiro continues to grow strong so Baki has at the very least surpassed earlier versions of Yujiro, if he's not his equal right now.
Goku is probably more durable actually, Biscuit Oliva was pierced by a regular shotgun at mid-range, but Goku was barely bruised by a close range barrage of a military grade machine gun
its funny cause bakis feats are mostly full of outliers and hyperbole. hell even YUJIRO says it. That earthquake feat is still being debated on if he actually did.
@@Unremarkable6969 don't listen to these types of fools there are thousands of character in baki has create earthquake earthquake is solid feat and nomi no sukune diamond feat retcon yujiro earthquake feat so there is no way yujiro is weak
Yeah bro is capping not only they not running any where near the speed of sound. Speed of sound punch was only mimicking a whip So only his knuckles reaches that speed at the point of impact.
Baki is not ligth speed level. Not even close. When he uses speed ligth he means in an alegory way not literally its more of the fact that at that point nobody is really able to see his jab coming. But no way near ligth speed. The mach punch is consider a top tiers move that was only performed by 3 people. Baki yujiro and katsumi. At best baki is mach 2 or 3. But hell nah he cant move ligth speed
@@Coldskin1 yeah i think baki was the only one who moved faster than mach1.. so yeah baki cjatacther are not over mach 5 or above. Of course they dont scale over ligth speed
You fool baki able to doge pickle attack in base form at hair point pickle in base is faster than jack who is faster than spec several times who can easily swim through america to japan in 5 min that was atleast mach 10 to 20 jack is faster than doppo who can doge one thousand arrow at point blank range high hyper sonic feat pickle able to blitz jack using pixel scaling pickle is easily mha + in base and baki was dodging pickle attack at hair point range in his final form who atleast is 3x5 times multiplier easily ftl plus feat
@@DhruvchandraChandrq i know that by scaling that way alot of baki characther are stronger. But u counted errors as a way to scale. For example. U think speck is faster swimming than yujiro? And yujiro swimmed on waters that where running at 40km per hour( idk in mph if ur american) Speck swimming to japan on 5 mins is a literal error of itagaki. And baki being able to dodge pickle attacks point blank is still a mach 1+ feat sienge we dont know pickle exact speef. And as baki say himself. He is dodging him by a few milimeters. But the point still stand. One thing is moving mach 1 to mach 5 as baki characthers do if its a power house like baki or yujiro. But ligth speed? Think this. Katsumi punch was a super feat being match 1= 343 meters per second. Ligth speed is around mach : 847.000
With the current available canon Power Levels, that cannot be determined. Both Goku and Roshi got stronger after the 21st Tenkaichi. Master Roshi'a buff 100% mode might also be an amp from his normal skinny mode, but I don't actually know too much about that form.
@Unremarkable6969 not to mention, goku was going relative to this roshi in non buff form, whose power level of 139, this would still be enough ap to blow up multiple continents at the very least a country
You explained why kid goku beat baki but I don't think he solo the verse because of yujiro they explain that yujiro get stronger every second his growth speed comparable too universe expansion at speed of light in original translation .feat you present are very outdated compared to current yujiro 😐or pickle survive meteor island level feat or yujiro one shooting nomi no sukuna that can turn coal into diamond tier 6a feat because of 5 to 25 giga Pascal pressure 2 3 billions year of processing 4000 degree Fahrenheit 825000lbs per square inch force multi continental feat that yujiro one shot without demon back or stat multiplier like demon brain adrenaline andhorphin or guit ijutsu boat death concentration martial that negat dura or speed increasing martial technique I don't think kid goku solo verse but he still destroy 99 percent verse exclude yujiro because of his adaptation and his speed growth in fight or his crazy haxs 😐
@Unremarkable6969 I don't say they are moon level but there martial arts abilities and hax are crazy I do believe kid goku win but yujiro aura can manipulate space or has some kind of spacial manipulation or reality warping skills or I you want to highball yujiro you can highball him to pickle meteor feat that states that he was hit direct by it moon or small planet level feat depending on interpretation also ap doesn't matter if yujiro can negat all attack or adapt to his technique replicate them and use better or yujiro can use aiki or deflect goku energy based attack or shaori that goku doesn't have counter for this hypnotic biological manipulation cell manipulation or some kind or crazy yujiro cheat codes in fight baki logic but no hate
JESUS VHRIST. Goku wins ok, they both adapt fast but Yujiro Is A Human Blessed with POTENTIAL TO BE THE STRONGEST "Human or Demon" But Goku Is A Damn Saiyan. And Dude, has A Hanma Ever EVER survived a meteor And the hypnotics? Thats Called VISIBLE HALLUCINATIONS There's no way Imagination can Touch Ki
@Unremarkable6969 Obviously but it's still within the same ballpark. He was able to compete with Dkp who is stronger than Roshi. Dkp having potential planetary Ap
@@Unremarkable6969kid goku is equal to prime dkp who is much stronger than old dkp and a stronger roshi than when he blew up the moon confirmed he only has a chance of beating him via mafuba and nothing else
for kid goku solar system level is fair to him (as i don't see kid goku able to scale to the earth which is sized by 4B km of diameter) , and the max of baki is planetary.
Baki has hax ability’s like mind control and air manipulation he also has power mimicry so he can just do anything goku can do around the same power level
Can you stop making hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby matches, I'm starting to lose interest in your videos cause none of the fights are fair, do stuff like sonic vs mario or xeno goku vs featherine
Could Baki imagine a clone of Goku?
Depends on each version kid GOKU probs
But raditz saga GOKU is the best martial artist in History and martial arts like kimpo have 30 stages in dbz while in real life there is only 5 meaning his whole verse is more adavances in martial arts 🥋
@@CrazyworldYT-s7q Sounds like really in depth lore, where'd you read this? I don't remember anything like this in Daizenshuu
@@Unremarkable6969 in the first manga of dbz there is this like character page and shows
@@Unremarkable6969its in the manga
Baki:
- If you're not Japanese - you're weak
Goku:
- Saiyan Laser Piss!
A good reference!
"No Hard Work can Beat the who Enjoys Himself." Baki said-. But Goku still wins
Goku enjoys it too so technically true? 🧐
@@Unremarkable6969 Goku and vegeta comparison
@@Unremarkable6969Goku’s a saiyan with brain damage but Baki is just some Japanese teenager you gotta give him points first him being a dawg
@@MinecraftManagerbakis a hanma so nah he’s also a genetic freak fight lover
Baki wins in an equal stats matchup
Imo the surpassing the concept of speed thing as literal was clearly hyperbole
Fr.
"surpassing the concept of what was possible a human can achieve" is probably more fitting here.
The entirety of Baki is just one big hyperbole, especially when they start explaining everything, every... single... time
I love seeing some anime characters being compared with *KID GOKU*
Kid goku negs the verse
Ong
Depending on the version ye
so rude
harsh truth
Baki negs the narrator says so
also "shaking the earth" bit was a mistranslation from a translation group that is known specifically for making things up
Damn 😞
moon buster vs normal martial artist with grounded super strenght
He's deffo not a normal martial artist
Adrenaline buff@@deaddead2783
Baki vs the Gero door:
You forgot the fact that in guides it was stated that goku learned all the martial arts techniques on earth
@@U1Gaming-qk8py I only remember him learning Kame-Sennin Ryu style, which is a mix of a few popular eastern martial arts. I wouldn't consider Goku a "Master" until the Cell Saga, personally.
@@Unremarkable6969well goku is stated to be the greatest martial artists in Earth's history in the z manga
@@Unremarkable6969 he was stated to be on Par with grandpa gohan in terms of martial arts techniques who also stated to have learned every martial arts in dragon ball earth universe I can send you it do you have discord
@@ahmedriyad4264 If I remember correctly, that statement was referring to him later, I'm using Kid Goku for this video.
@@Unremarkable6969 I know that just felt like saying(also this is chapter 1 z goku and goku during later arcs is far more skilled)
Awesome video, I love Baki. I always saw the Baki fighters as being roughly Red Ribbon saga in terms of power.
Not a bad placement for him actually. He'd probably be able to handle most of the Red Ribbon Army, if not all of them, given conservative scaling.
Lmao what? Even the lower tiered generals of the red ribbon solo the baki verse. That random ass ninja goku fought solos the baki verse.
@@itzYonko The random ninja has no feats or powers. It's just a fighter with trickery.
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@@Unremarkable6969 until the androids come out
0:09 this is a disingenuous feat, and a total misunderstanding of the scene. No fight in Baki has ever shaken the earth
it is actually stated that goku is a master of all martial arts and surpassed grandpa gohan that was considered the greatest martial artist in the world and also knew every martial art in the world, so goku is not that behind in terms of experience
For me, Goku in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai and Demon King Piccolo Saga was a teen, because he was 15 years old at the time. I'd say arcs after Red-Ribbon is when Goku wasn't a kid anymore, but this is very subjective and depends on your opinion of when Goku stopped being a literal kid, i.e. age-wise.
Baki would imagine a Clone of Goku and will one-shot himself. Or, either that he would understand that Goku's physical limitations are so beyond anything he knows to where he can't picture a perfect copy of the clone just like he did with Pickle.
Kid Goku wins. But i always HATE whenever Dragon Ball powerscalers do a versus of another series and they will use anything a character in Dragon Ball says as the word of God, but whenever someone else says something, like Baki saying the thing about hes surpassed speed, they are so hesitant to count it as a feat. Like why?
I didn't do that tho :3
Goku when bones broken: "n..neee.need se..nzuuuu beansss..." *passes out*
Baki when bones broken:
"I've become more agile, just gotta imagine that my hand is a whip"
Goku defeated Piccolo Junior with all of his limbs broken and a massive hole in his chest.
@@Unremarkable6969you said that Goku is still learning martial arts which is true but the things is this that.
Db martial arts lvl is Higher like in real world highest dan you can have is 10 dan where Master roshi in og db defeated a wolf who was 30 dan master.
Stupid
Kid goku vs demon king piccolo:
@@Ningamer-bo7ejExactly. And I have reason to believe the wolf guy would be the strongest person logically in the entire world irl.
Dragonball is a whole different realm of power
The problem with baki fighters punching at the speed of sound. The entire arm not reaching mach speed
Dude was mimicing a whip so only a tip of his fist reaches the speed of sound at the point of impact
Something to note, if Kid Goku is equal or above Roshi, is that Roshi says to the wolf man after he beats him that it was a "difference if experience," to which the wolfman says "I'm a 30th (or something like that) level black belt in (I cannot remember sorry). This obviously does not exist in real life, which puts into perspective the differences between the two.
Also "Baki is faster than light" I'm sorry but no way. I understand Baki is a wacky show but I think that completely transcends it. I refuse to believe that is true.
I personally don't consider Goku to be a "Master" until the Cell Saga
30th level black belt in Kempo
0:56 its not a weird thing baki does actually boxer can do that too ots called shadow boxing where you imagine the movments of your opponents and adapt to the fighting style
You are partially right BUT in the anime, Baki also FEELS the hits and attacks which is something a boxer can't do. We can indeed imagine how a certain situation can damage you but the imagination can never come close to what actually happens. I can confirm this as someone who went to professional boxing for five years.
@@xodiser8556yeah. And it's not just a feeling, punches of opponents imagined by Baki do have an impact on both him and his surroundings. Like the time he got punched by imagined Yujiro and people in the area around him thought that was an earthquake. It's almost like his stand ability lol
I wanted to commission a 3v1, with Featherine, Yogsothoth and The Weaver vs Baki, but then I realized that he can "imagine clones of someone" and knew it was a spite match and Baki would curbstomp.
To be fair, Baki likely wouldn't use this in an actual fight. Kinda like how Goku could just Mafuba everyone in Super but he doesn't.
fetherine is a regular human
Epic vid we should collab sometime
Yo wsg Leelos
Kid Goku has better durability feats than Biscuit Oliva, being able to tank bullets from military grade weapons,while Oliva got pierced by a random shotgun
Goku is also FTL already,a speed feat nobody has
Oh,and also he beat a guy who could destroy the moon
0:09 WAIT THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED? :sob:
Kid goku monkey walks baki's verse
Kid Goku was also beginning to surpass a master roshi in martial arts who's dubbed "The god of martial arts", Roshi who surpassed fighters that are much more experienced than the best martial artists even in our world.
@@WoodsMoneyy I personally wouldn't consider Goku a "master" until the Cell Saga.
BAKI's main strength is PLOT ARMOR, but that wouldn't work on GOKU
Kid goku 1 shots his ass without a problem bruh yujiro got taken down by tranquilizers and nets 😂
@@chrono733 Goku is canonically weak to laxatives
@@Unremarkable6969 Who isn't
W scale 🙏😭
I had never even heard of a Baki until someone paid me to do this, I researched the fuck outta this 😮💨
*Aside from a tweet I saw where Baki was imagining food and then fighting his imaginary dad, that was funny
@ it’s shows man good 👍 job
@@CrazyworldYT-s7q 🤝
@@Unremarkable6969bro Baki gets pissed on on the show it’s crazy 😂😂😂😂
the dbz chars can do the imagination stuff too, gohan and krillin do it on the way to namek
@@mAcChaosCh That's image training, which is a little different
@@Unremarkable6969 its basically the same thing
@@mAcChaosCh how
On the way to namek.
@@mAcChaosCh no its not because the image training uses your OWN mind too train, it doesent directly affect anything outside of your own mental
Baki, Yujiro, and Doppo's son are wiping kid goku get real chat he fought martial artist superhumans and was caught lacking
Moon buster >>> random martial artists with super strength. That bum Yujjiro would get no diffed by dragon ball Yamcha
@@stressbean1707 considering yujiro stopped a mass earthquake and the moon is smaller than earth by a great amount, yujiro would be able to moonbust
I can't take seriously anyone who thinks Goku isn't a fully experienced martial artist, because even in super "he is still learning". Neither Roshi or Son Gohan had nothing else to teach Goku by the end of OG Dragon ball, are you telling me those guys were less experienced than Baki?
@@MarcosPerez-wx1fx I personally wouldn't consider Goku a master until the Cell Saga.
@@Unremarkable6969 why?
He learned all martial arts from Earth, plus some from literal Gods
@@Unremarkable6969 Goku has became a master multiple times over the course of the series, and all of them before the Cell Saga. The random one-off feats that Goku gets that are never used again - like ability to read minds that one time, were given to him because as is fairly well known Dragon Ball was extended a few arcs longer than Toriyama would have liked. Those were to showcase that Goku has reached the mastery and achieved these powers just by being such a master. Starting with Freeza saga Goku even wears his own name on his Gi. to signify that at this point he is his own master, so far beyond anything he learned from Roshi, Kami, or King Kai
Toriyama has in an interviews explained that a big mental block for him when writing was the fact he had a hard time believing Goku can get any stronger. As far as Toriyama was concerned Goku reached the peak of what was physically possible back in original Dragon Ball. That's why power ups shifted from training, to potential unlocks, increased gravity, multiplication techniques and transformations - Toriyama needed any way to justify to himself Goku becoming any stronger than he already was
Sure they are fast but if hey throw a punch to kid goku thier bones will shatter , the best they can do is a scratch
@@nforttff5807 Baki can take a beating, and Goku's Ki output is different from his physical strength. For example, how someone who can shatter solar systems needs Super Saiyan to lift 40 Tons.
Goku in Super Saiyan struggling with 10 tons on each limb would technically be an outlier. As if you actually calculate the objects through Dragon Ball that he has moved, such as in classical Dragon Ball where Kid Goku moved a huge rock. Or the time he catched the mountain that Frieza threw at him with telekinesis.
@joshuakulah1496 If I remember correctly, that was an anime only scene. (Freeza throwing a mountain.)
And early Goku was really a gag character, like him being able to break the manga panels with Yamcha's body.
@Unremarkable6969 The Frieza scene being an anime only scene could be the case. But I don't really think it changes much things. As Goku on his way to namek was training under 100 times gravity. With his body weight from 60 kg to 6000 or 6 tons ofcorse. And he was training so much so that he eventually got used to it. With Vegeta the arc later cranking up the gravity to 500x. With hos weight also being similar to 60, this would measure his weight under training to 30 tons in base.
Even SSJ Vegeta couldn't lift something over 1000 tons, I think DB characters just can't lift :3
Goku was on par with that guy named jackie chun (weird how we haven't seen him anywhere else) who blew up the moon with a single attack
Jackie Chun shoulda been brought back for the Tournament of Power
Baki would be a very good opponent for this particular Goku, but I still think Goku would be the winner. Maybe I'd put Baki slightly near to the level of Tien during Daimaoh Piccolo saga, but not entirely.
I'd say we need to remove ki blast attack to increase the consistency of the fight. Their blast attack is vastly more powerful than their physical capabilities at that time.
Given both of their speeds being above light, and Baki being a close quarters fighter, it's unlikely Goku would be able to shoot off a Kamehameha quick enough, not to mention Baki might just dodge the attack.
Idk man, teen krillin can almost instantly fire kamehameha when he fight against ma junior.@@Unremarkable6969
Teen Krillin, I used Kid Goku for this
@@Unremarkable6969 idk man, but In my opp teen krillin and this kid goku is kinda close in term of skill, so feel like even this kid goku can do it. Beside, you said it yourself, they are on ftls shenanigan anyway.
Physical power=ki power
A glazed baki is country level and maybe ftl if u ignore context and he would still get fired
I wonder how far would baki go if he learns about ki, with just his physical stats he's pretty impressive for a "normal" human
M Roshi moved the moon.
he destroyed it
Its not close at all when going over kid goku's actual scaling(made this because i felt like it)
Firstly master roshi destroying the moon due to intensity ranges anywhere from planetary to dwarf star level a stronger roshi was sure mafuba was his only way to stop an old dkp and kid goku was equal to prime dkp(due to statements and upscaling goku gets to large star level by the end of og db)
Now this doesnt contradict el manga legendario because average planets in db are hundreds to thousands of times bigger than our sun meaning planetary in db is actually solar system level(this is due to namek which has 3 suns orbiting it) and also power levels arent linear
For speed the laser dodging during rr saga gets kid goku to ftl to ftl+(end of og db is mftl+ via upscaling)
@@ahmedriyad4264 I don't know if I'd believe that. Yes, Earth is a very small planet compared to most of the universe, King Cold says so himself, so I agree that the statement from El Manga could be contorted a bit to give people with lower power levels earth busting scaling.
But where's the evidence for planets THAT big?
@@Unremarkable6969 namek having three suns orbiting it,the size gap needed for orbit to be possible and and namek being called not too big which means at most 1.5× more than average
@@Unremarkable6969Yes planets in db are insanely big , example : planet vegeta was big enough that two stars were orbiting it like the moon and the planet was only 10 times bigger then earth , planet namek was stated to be small and still bigger then 3 freaking stars that orbit it , also there is dr slump (idk if u think his canon or not) stated earth is 4T km or 900 times bigger then the sun 👍
@@Unremarkable6969 they just watch Oficial Divine or people like that and cope the screne from another anime by the same creator to be canon in DB.There is no actual way to scale DB planet to anything bigger than a normal planet,outside of characters calling it "small",which doesn't tell us much,as even Sun is stated to be one of the smaller stars,and the concept of size in the universe is extremely relative.
@eliasflawless1698 Divine is okay. His editing hurts my head tho, like calm down on the bloom and the shaking.
Bro how can people say that baki has irrelevant speed by a simple statement, but gojo not even though he could easly move in the prison realm
Moving in prison realm would only count as an inaccessible speed
@Unremarkable6969 yeah I know but irrelevant speed purely from statements is crazy
@Unremarkable6969 cuz there's no time in the prison realm
Mhmhmhm
Holy shit the baki verse is way more impressive than i thought, i guess mr satan vs yujiro isnt as fair as i thought it was
Mr. Satan is getting put on a stretcher
even though mr satan still loses to yujiro the ap scaling for the baki verse in the video isnt that consistent, the earthquake feat has been calculated multiple times before its only city level even with massive highballing its more so around town-large town level, and the shaking the planet feat just isnt consistent,
town level is more consistent for the verse, city level at a high end.
@@nuggetgod2618high ball of earthquake feat is island town level is lowball guide books states that it's great hanshin impact
@@DhruvchandraChandrq in that case it would be island level with highballs but in my opinion its just not very consistent for the verse since in terms of scaling they are much more consistently around town-city level, but with that guidebook statement im not against island level as a highball.
@@nuggetgod2618 its consistent with pickle meteor feat and nuke statement and this not highball of the verse there feats going higher than that
Someone who could destroy large planet vs a town flolder
The fight would be equal at first but later goku would just adapt since he’s a sayian and literally use Baki moves in the fight and is also fast
Extremely out of context feats for both sides. Goku dodged lightning by predicting it, not with pure speed, you're literally shown he can't react to lightning on speed alone, that was the entire point of him training with the crown, to learn to predict stuff rather than rely on sight or hearing; his "faster than light" feat also literally isn't that either, you don't need to be faster than light to close your eyes for like a second before getting flashed with a technique you already know how it works and grab a pair of shades. Baki can't "shake the entire Earth" either, if he could do something like that with fists alone he would vaporize Goku, Oliva threw Guevara so fast that the satellite that tracks him lost him for an instant making every GPS in the world malfunction since they were connected to that satellite.
Baki is underrated here, his actual feats are stuff like hitting with the force of a nuke (because he can hit harder than Oliva, and the strength needed for Oliva to punch Baki through several concrete walls is relative to that), and he moves around Yujiro's speed, which casually is around match 40. Goku in comparison only hits match 30 during the saiyan saga. I'll say actually Baki has the slight advantage, he hits hard, moves faster, but Goku has the experience to dodge his cockroach stance despite being slower, and his ki blasts are annoying, but Baki never has to worry about Goku's kamehameha, because for it to be 'moon level' it needs to be charged, and Baki isn't gonna stand still.
What about Kenshiro vs Baki?
Goku already defeated Baki during the tournament. The show off who broke the wall with his kick. lol He was fighter to show Goku's new skills before Tienshinhan's eyes. Stronger than average human, maybe the peak of standard human martial arts.
Was this purposefully using all of Baki's hyperbole (light speed, 'world shaking') just to make it seem anything near arguable?
The Baki narrator would come up with bs on why Baki would win
I don’t like the “ Baki is on top of his verse and Goku is still learning “ as a comparison to their experience
Goku has been deemed “ the strongest martial artist or the best martial artist “ several times in Dragonball via statements and guides , that even followed him into Z. As Goku has to go up against literal otherworldly martial artist , the highest martial art ranking in the world is a 10th Dan and Goku & co. Were easily able to dispatch of someone who’s a 30th Dan , not to mention Roshi and grandpa gohan having to be unsurpassed in all forms of martial arts & knowledge / mastery of every technique or skill
Kid Goku would still be vastly above Baki in terms of experience
Fr, Master Roshi had no diffed a 30th level black belt in Kempo, but barely won against kid Goku
This needs no discussion. Baki would have no chance.
" it'd be really close" bruh we all know even kid goku could solo baki no diff
Kid Goku when Baki imagines Kid Goku to fight Kid Goku. (Kid Goku has never been more excited)
Fr
gokus top speed in the saiyan saga is around 100 mph
Now do King Demon Piccolo vs Sukuna
What if baki learned ki will he win?+baki can use a technic who let him copy any move the opponent can do
He won't win, but he might be able to make new Ki Techniques with that demon brain of his.
But thats an If Not A Fact
Depends if pre schizophrenia or post schizophrenia baki
I can't lie I didn't realise Baki had allat 😭
Baki is THAT GUY
If you think Roshi Moon busting is an outlier (which tbh it is), I’d say it’s a pretty close fight. I’ll side with Baki since he’s clearly more skilled.
@@ExplosiveGrape In what way is it an Outlier.
@ Roshi can’t take on the red robin army, Roshi thought Tein destroying the stadium was some impressive ap and dc surpassing the kamehameha, City busting is consistently gassed up in early dragon ball and I think prime King piccolo’s power was compared to a small nuke in the daizenshu but I’ll need to double check that.
@@ExplosiveGrape Master Roshi destroying the moon is consistently referenced, and later during the Saiyan Saga, Piccolo is able to casually one shot the moon. Comparing power levels, a full Power Kamehameha from Roshi destroying the moon is entirely plausible.
And that nuke statement from Daizenshuu doesn't make any sense.
@@Unremarkable6969 I don’t remember it ever being casual for piccolo, also he’s far stronger and even then there are somethings to say that’s also an outlier.
@@ExplosiveGrape Take Piccolo's PL during the Raditz fight and during the Saiyan invasion, you can see how strong he got during the year between the two. Then estimate from there. It's not perfect, but I think it's very plausible for Roshi to bust a moon.
some fights are not needed to be scaled and thats one of them
tf is the whole baki verse gonna do imagine they can somehow use ki now
Actually? Maybe.
I know he tried to make this a short
Poor Baki this is just humiliating
Kid Goku scales to Roshi who can blow up the moon, Baki is weaker than Yujiro who can stop an earthquake and is a threat to US military
Strength isn't everything, I put a lot more value in speed personally. It's like Goku said, "What good is strength if I can't even hit him?"
Goku is a threat to the red ribbon army
@@Unremarkable6969 Goku dodged lightning later and even Tiens Solar flare which is light speed, Yujiro catched lightning but the man stomps his son, also what good is his speed when he cannot even hurt Kid Goku
Baki scales to that Yujiro, if not current Yujiro. Yujiro continues to grow strong so Baki has at the very least surpassed earlier versions of Yujiro, if he's not his equal right now.
@@diaro Kid Goku scales to a dude who can blow up the moon
Goku vastly outscales but martial arts wise Baki stomps
Sorry but 21st kid goku speed blitz the baki verse.
They are not moving there entire body even at the speed of sound.
Lets see
Both are bullet proof
Both can lift vehicles easily
Both are masters of martial arts
Kid goku still soloes
Only difference is their potential am i right.
Goku is probably more durable actually, Biscuit Oliva was pierced by a regular shotgun at mid-range, but Goku was barely bruised by a close range barrage of a military grade machine gun
...you might as well make shorts about this lmao.
Day 2 of asking for IDW Optimus vs Goku
Maybe
Another easy win for the goat
Why not make this interesting by comparing him to a Kid Goku who doesn’t scale to Max Power Roshi?
its funny cause bakis feats are mostly full of outliers and hyperbole. hell even YUJIRO says it. That earthquake feat is still being debated on if he actually did.
If all his feats are Outliers, then doesn't that mean none of them are? 🧐
@@Unremarkable6969 my friend i said Mostly
@@Unremarkable6969 don't listen to these types of fools there are thousands of character in baki has create earthquake earthquake is solid feat and nomi no sukune diamond feat retcon yujiro earthquake feat so there is no way yujiro is weak
Ok for Baki but what about Kinnikuman
I think goku can win , but what if goku got stronger and turned super saiyan? i think goku vs goku is a close fight
Kid goku is leagues faster than baki
Yeah bro is capping not only they not running any where near the speed of sound.
Speed of sound punch was only mimicking a whip
So only his knuckles reaches that speed at the point of impact.
@ fr
@@Coldskin1 yeah,fr,Baki isn't even Speed of Light, Goku is already FTL in the Red Ribbon arc
Yujiro probably would struggle again the RR
Un Planetario vs Ciudad
Hear me out, he can imagine himself being as strong as.. kenpachi (Please get the joke 😔)
I understood that reference (He can't, your body literally gets torn up.)
Is not close by a long shot
Baki better not fight on a full moon
How much have u made off youtube, and do u have a irl job to help pay the bills
@@Kingjunior752lol Who wants to know/why? 🧐
If this is like a scam invitation my discord is SpoierShadow
Kid goku vs Yuji or sukuna
Maybe
@@Unremarkable6969 stop doing spite matches and make something interesting
From what you said I honestly don’t think goku gets this one I’m no Baki fan so I really don’t know
Baki is not ligth speed level. Not even close.
When he uses speed ligth he means in an alegory way not literally its more of the fact that at that point nobody is really able to see his jab coming. But no way near ligth speed.
The mach punch is consider a top tiers move that was only performed by 3 people.
Baki yujiro and katsumi.
At best baki is mach 2 or 3.
But hell nah he cant move ligth speed
moving an single lim but they aint moving their entire body any where near 1 mach, they get speed blitz by 21st krillin
@@Coldskin1 yeah i think baki was the only one who moved faster than mach1.. so yeah baki cjatacther are not over mach 5 or above. Of course they dont scale over ligth speed
You fool baki able to doge pickle attack in base form at hair point pickle in base is faster than jack who is faster than spec several times who can easily swim through america to japan in 5 min that was atleast mach 10 to 20 jack is faster than doppo who can doge one thousand arrow at point blank range high hyper sonic feat pickle able to blitz jack using pixel scaling pickle is easily mha + in base and baki was dodging pickle attack at hair point range in his final form who atleast is 3x5 times multiplier easily ftl plus feat
@@DhruvchandraChandrq i know that by scaling that way alot of baki characther are stronger.
But u counted errors as a way to scale.
For example.
U think speck is faster swimming than yujiro?
And yujiro swimmed on waters that where running at 40km per hour( idk in mph if ur american)
Speck swimming to japan on 5 mins is a literal error of itagaki.
And baki being able to dodge pickle attacks point blank is still a mach 1+ feat sienge we dont know pickle exact speef. And as baki say himself. He is dodging him by a few milimeters.
But the point still stand.
One thing is moving mach 1 to mach 5 as baki characthers do if its a power house like baki or yujiro.
But ligth speed?
Think this.
Katsumi punch was a super feat being match 1= 343 meters per second.
Ligth speed is around mach : 847.000
@danilocastro3109 you know yujiro was swimming casually not giving his best attack speed reflex and running speed and movement speed are different
its not close at all, how is baki hurting him?
Master Roshi's moon busting Kamehameha would have killed Great Ape Goku during the 21st Tenkaichi. Ki output doesn't directly correlate to durability.
@Unremarkable6969 going off power levels that wouldn't happen, he didn't want to hurt goku
With the current available canon Power Levels, that cannot be determined. Both Goku and Roshi got stronger after the 21st Tenkaichi.
Master Roshi'a buff 100% mode might also be an amp from his normal skinny mode, but I don't actually know too much about that form.
@@Unremarkable6969 he went from 139 to 180 with his buff form
@Unremarkable6969 not to mention, goku was going relative to this roshi in non buff form, whose power level of 139, this would still be enough ap to blow up multiple continents at the very least a country
You explained why kid goku beat baki but I don't think he solo the verse because of yujiro they explain that yujiro get stronger every second his growth speed comparable too universe expansion at speed of light in original translation .feat you present are very outdated compared to current yujiro 😐or pickle survive meteor island level feat or yujiro one shooting nomi no sukuna that can turn coal into diamond tier 6a feat because of 5 to 25 giga Pascal pressure 2 3 billions year of processing 4000 degree Fahrenheit 825000lbs per square inch force multi continental feat that yujiro one shot without demon back or stat multiplier like demon brain adrenaline andhorphin or guit ijutsu boat death concentration martial that negat dura or speed increasing martial technique I don't think kid goku solo verse but he still destroy 99 percent verse exclude yujiro because of his adaptation and his speed growth in fight or his crazy haxs 😐
@@DhruvchandraChandrq Get them past moon level
@Unremarkable6969 I don't say they are moon level but there martial arts abilities and hax are crazy I do believe kid goku win but yujiro aura can manipulate space or has some kind of spacial manipulation or reality warping skills or I you want to highball yujiro you can highball him to pickle meteor feat that states that he was hit direct by it moon or small planet level feat depending on interpretation also ap doesn't matter if yujiro can negat all attack or adapt to his technique replicate them and use better or yujiro can use aiki or deflect goku energy based attack or shaori that goku doesn't have counter for this hypnotic biological manipulation cell manipulation or some kind or crazy yujiro cheat codes in fight baki logic but no hate
JESUS VHRIST.
Goku wins ok, they both adapt fast but Yujiro Is A Human Blessed with
POTENTIAL TO BE THE STRONGEST "Human or Demon"
But Goku Is A Damn Saiyan.
And Dude, has A Hanma Ever EVER survived a meteor
And the hypnotics? Thats Called VISIBLE HALLUCINATIONS
There's no way Imagination can Touch Ki
@Mappa_scout.1 yujiro do have hypnotic imagination
Kid goku prob beats the entire verse
Fuck Baki gonna do against a moon buster 💀???
Goku's Ki output is different from his physical strength
@Unremarkable6969 Obviously but it's still within the same ballpark. He was able to compete with Dkp who is stronger than Roshi. Dkp having potential planetary Ap
Dodge
@@Tysuonet if he could, but he can't
@@Unremarkable6969kid goku is equal to prime dkp who is much stronger than old dkp and a stronger roshi than when he blew up the moon confirmed he only has a chance of beating him via mafuba and nothing else
for kid goku solar system level is fair to him (as i don't see kid goku able to scale to the earth which is sized by 4B km of diameter) , and the max of baki is planetary.
@@BarcaCatalonia-v1e solar system level is crazy
@@Unremarkable6969 just like you scaling baki to ftl
baki cant blow up the moon
kid goku can
end of story.
@@NerdGohan "Dad and Vegeta are here" ahh pfp
@Unremarkable6969 💀🙏
Baki has hax ability’s like mind control and air manipulation he also has power mimicry so he can just do anything goku can do around the same power level
Can you stop making hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby matches, I'm starting to lose interest in your videos cause none of the fights are fair, do stuff like sonic vs mario or xeno goku vs featherine
Maybe
A channel called "Xandi anime" stole your video bro
Lemme take a look
@Unremarkable6969 ua-cam.com/video/4j4uR6-nRnk/v-deo.htmlsi=HbL1neGFCyZ-lOKL
Damn, they did
Also don’t forget the great ape great ape would absolutely crush baki
I forgot about that 😓
Goku easy
Bro Baki verse is a Demon Slayer victim what are you talking about
Get a new mic brother
Sorry but 21st kid goku speed blitz the baki verse.
They are not moving there entire body even at the speed of sound.