Sorry to ruin the joke but Goku has anti-gag by now, he has surpassed Beerus's level when he was going to destroy Arale and Arale scales beyond Squirrel Girl.
I mean, he hasn't. You could also say Arale just isnt impressive at all, her toonforce is a crutch for the fact that she had a planet level feat that might not have even happened @AlwaysOfflineForever
@AlwaysOfflineForeveryeah no your using no limits fallacy and that wasn’t a anti feat and goku never surpassed beerus level lmfao and squirrel girl dogwalks arale and scales above arale keep coping
Low tier characters can range from wall level to Multiverse+ mid tier characters can range from Hyperversal to Low Outerversal and high tier characters can range from Mid Outerversal to High Outerversal.
It'd be awesome if Goku just started using whatever was around him. He casually catches Thor's hammer and uses it. Thinks the power cosmic is neat and, somehow(maybe as an Ssb), finds a way to harness it. Sees Hulk and comments how he reminds him of Broly. And hangs out with regular folk to eat delicious food. I would read that comic.
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I’m just confused if there are so many characters that can destroy the multiverse in an instant, and millions of different universes with these characters, why hasn’t one of them just said “screw it” and blown everything up on day just cause.
@AtomicJM711 Like bruh freiza multiple times could just press his hands to the earth and blow dat bih up. Goku can't stop him unless he can tunnel to earth's core in time to stop the blast. Freiza only doesn't because say it with me now "pride" Broly should've blown earth up going Ss1. All that energy he's spraying off without giving af? Yeah earth shoulda been DONE lol
I mean, obviously, like you may be strong, but are you strong enough to take out armies of squirrels all at once coming out of nowhere? No, I don't think so
@@lonkstakesyou did say yourself you would only be using feats that are consistent for marvel and your using dragon ball super manga instead of both manga and anime but I’m not a marvel fan at all and you probably just prefer manga scaling so who cares what I’m talking about
@@lonkstakesum ? Are currently caught up on the characters is still op ash like piecing up celestials which are multiversal characters same with current doom and currently this new run with spiderman
Especially since ki blasts, like kamehameha wave, are plasma-based, so Tony could easily create a suit that nullifies plasma or just outright absorb it. Along with the help of spirit-themed characters, like Constantine and Doctor Strange, he could develop a scientific process that can counteract the spirit energy aspect of those attacks if you would want to include the attack having some form of spirit element to them. In other words, Tony would stand a pretty good chance if he could prepare for a Saiyan invasion.
The godbuster was sol strong that Tony decided to destroy the armor after the event in comics but he could Jake the armor again if he wanted@@lonkstakes
For those who aren’t marvel scaling nerds: anyone 20 ton range or above generally are in the mountain-small planet, 40 ton range are planetary, 70 ton range large planet (grey hulk, original thing, middle of run colossus) but then 100 and above, ranges from high end large planet to low multi, then the hell lords are all equal to Odin/zeus tier, satannish is slightly below, but comparable. Anyone above scales to them casually, and even the weakest hell lord is stated pandimensional and infinitely transcendent to 616, which includes Yggdrasil, a low hyper construct itself. Cheers! Love the videos Tonks! Keep up the good work brother
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@@lonkstakes I mean, he recently had the "Cosmic Iron God" Armour which literal conceptual beings were concerned about. The armour isn't technically his own creation, but with it he clears. Even without it, he has created Celestial buster armours which would give Goku a good fight.
I like how general you are about everything while going over the details that matter. You get to the point. Usually, videos on this topic will be over 30 minutes long.
I believe that if Goku or Vegeta went to marvel or DC, they'd definitely become stronger because characters over there would push them to become stronger, They might learn new ways of power and learn from those universes, They might not be the strongest over there but they are pretty adaptable and would learn to thrive there
however , goku and vegeta have an interesting challenge in DC and marvel (but doesn't solo all of them). goku gets cooked just against the high tier in marvel don't get hil low like that.
Would be interested to see a cosmology video for both marvel and dragon ball. Especially given that Daima seems to be expanding upon the cosmology at least to some small degree.
Yes. Alien X, Uncle Grandpa, Chowder, Xenohort, Zanzar, Super Mickey, Colours Sonic, SpongeBob, Michael Daxter, etc...... there's many Multiversal to Hyperversal characters there and many others I can't remember off the top of my head.
I think ultimately it boils down to, if we’re talking strictly throwing hands and nothing else, Goku basically always wins, but as soon as you start adding all these powers and hacks in he just gets brushed off easily by a lot of other fictional characters
Honestly I'm of the opinion that his true skill is heavily overstated. If you added no UI and its just base to base, he's got a 25% chance with the verse mainly because a majority of characters have lived longer or fought a larger/more diverse group of people. Goku's villains are mostly the same in terms of fighting style and power, so someone throwing a fast one at him would catch him off. And i know people love brining up King Kai's "thousand year" statement, but there's a difference between a thousand years of technique development and a thousand years of training experience, its implied to be the former since its literally nonsensical to get a thousand years of training done in the span of a single year
Well in the canon manga we get to know Bardock wished goku to always survive and surpass his enemies... so that alone indicates goku would eventually win 😅😂
I don’t think that’s a correct way to say who’s wins in a fight. Feats alone isn’t enough to win a fight, then you have to factor in Gokus ability to get stronger while fighting, his ability to transform into levels that surpass his opponent, he literally did just that against jiren, Goku was completely outmatched vs jiren and overcame him by transforming. And another thing is that Goku has crazy feats as well and most of the time he’s holding back cause he doesn’t fight to kill, So yeah those characters may have better feats but I still would never count Goku out vs anyone. Especially if it’s a fight to the death or if it’s high stakes involved.
dude gave u multiple reason on why marvel wins and shows proof of marvels cosmlogy begin way bigger then dbz and far better feats if by marvel charcters still says goku can win get ur meat out his mouth he loses
Mid fight power growth is super inconsistent so its not much of a factor at all. At some points Goku can grow three times his original strength halfway into the fight, and other times he stagnates and only grows after training for extended periods of time. Transformations arent everything either, some mid tiers and most top tiers have alternate forms at the ready, and relatively, its like an MUI level jump in power sometimes. And as mentioned, many of the characters beating Goku have feats showing them rivaling or surpassing BoG Beerus at their lowest, and its only up from there. Considering the fact that Goku's main winning factors are his villains letting him off the hook early, this probably wont happen here. If Goku needs to transform, good chance his opp can also transform or self amp just as fast. If goku purposefully drags out the fight to try and farm some power, characters like hulk grow exponentially more with much less to go off of. If its about how they'd react to a fight, marvel characters are more inclined to end the fight ASAP and stave off casualties/damage than lay down their lives for an unknown threat
blud just violated goku i mean,hawkeye vs base goku💀,base goku vs marvel multiverse💀💀=actual title---------)how much of marvel can goku solo? cuz marvel is basicly an outerverse 💀💀
Wolverine has literally surprised quicksilver while wolverine was taking a piss he activated his claws and quicksilver stopped barely in time worst part was he casually did it comics are wild at times
Goku gets his ass beat and then erased out of existence by the marvel universe. Anyone who actually thinks he stands a chance against marvel or DC is simply delusional.
Okay. Magik is a mutant sorceress tied to the inter-dimensional realm called Limbo. She functions as basically the Dr. Strange of that universe, and like Dr. Strange, is capable of vast, long-distance and inter-dimensional teleportation, which she accomplishes through a series of magic discs, which she summons, that can teleport anyone who steps on them. In addition, she's able to teleport through time as well as space, which would make her one of Marvel's strongest characters, if she could control it. However, her control over this power is still somewhat limited. Within the realm of Limbo, Magik is virtually all-powerful, though her sorcery isn't as strong on Earth. Even on Earth, Magik is able to use these powers to project destructive energy, to reshape matter on a small scale, to leave her body for the astral plane, to summon monsters from Limbo, to constrict opponents, perform exorcisms, and project a defensive barrier around herself and others. However, none of these powers would be able to cause or protect against destruction on a planetary scale, or repair that level of destruction after it had been caused. Magik also has access to enchanted armor and the Soulsword; both of which grow stronger when used. The Soulsword in particular can be used to harm any magical being, cut ethereal and other non-physical creatures with ease, break spells, absorb magical energy, enhance the magic powers of whoever wields it, and can only be used by the ruler of Limbo... Which is the one sure reason why it wouldn't work against Goku. Depending on how Goku's powers are classified, he might or might not count as a magical being, and his Ki might or might not be absorb-able by the sword, but Magik's vast speed statistic is only *travel speed.* She's not able to keep up with someone traveling faster than light, so even if the sword is able to damage Goku, it wouldn't actually do so unless he let her hit him. At most, he might lose a finger to it, by trying to do what he did in his fight against Trunks. After that, he would immediately wise up and end the fight quickly, then bandage up the wound and go looking for a Senzu bean. By comparison, the only thing about Cloak and Dagger that would be relevant in a fight with Goku is that Cloak's robes are a portal to a dimension of darkness. If you fall in, you can't get back out through physical means, and Cloak is able to absorb your life force. Those who've managed to escape from Cloak's dimension have done so through powers that were far beyond the mere physical. However, again, neither Cloak nor Dagger have superhuman reaction speed. Cloak is mostly intangible and can teleport back and forth from the dark dimension, but it's unlikely that he'd be fast enough to ambush Goku with his robes.
4:58 if youre not familiar with the feats, should you really be making a video on this topic? No offense intended. Just generally curious. Maybe consult with someone who is? Thanks for the upload.
As someone who also grew up on marvel comics, you don’t go by all the most hyped statements only with comics because one issue the character is a god and the next they’re getting beat by a Spider-Man villain. You go by their average, unless using a specific version of the character. Goku one shots all of these characters on average. To stand a chance You have to use the most broken versions of them and even then basically none of them have shown the fight speed necessary to even touch him, like wolverine is never going to stab goku in a fight.
No CC Goku IS mid complexe multiversal AT best, he gets dogwalked with the entire Heroes verse by Spiderman Beyonder alone.. POL spiderman IS beyond overkill
Destroying a single universe in marvel is a hyperversal feat. A single universe in marvel contains infinite realms, dimensions, timelines, and other small universes contained in it and all of them create infinite possibilities. If you destroy the marvel multiverse in lowball your outerversal.
Magik in my opinion could beat Goku as she was able to beat Dr Strange, enchantress, broke the bonds of cytorrak, even destroying the gem of cytorakk, she's faster than Thor's hammer, and she can teleport through time and space So yeah, I dunno why you put her below Spider Man and Iron Fist
@lonkstakes There's alot more "street level" characters that could actually beat Goku For Example, Juggernaut was able to fight both Thor and Hulk, tanked Thor's god blast head on and thanks to having the gem of cytorakk, he cant really tank damage on the normal sense Hulk was destroying the Dark dimension, as confirmed by Umar and was killing the mindless ones, who can make Dormammu ask Strange for help. He also destroyed Dark Crawler's dimension, which trancends asgard. Even if we include Heroes's, the gap between cosmologies doesnt change as all Dragon Ball gets is infinite timelines, the time nest, and the crack of time. Marvel has the negative zone, asgard, dark dimension, superflow, overspace, the outside, the far shore, nexus of realities, beyonder realm, the white hot room, mystery, house of ideas, and then toaa realm.
Generous scaling for goku but he is losing badly to so many marvel characters. Like dude literally had to limit the characters to just the marvel rival game cause they are so many characters to go through😂 There are so many underrated characters that literally not only oneshot goku but his whole verse. Characters like franklin richard and legion from just the x-men franchise alone solo the verse, that's not counting the entire marvel comics as a whole
In equal stats, goku still has his transformations, right? So, when we stack ssj, ssj2, ssj3, ssjg, ssjb, and ultra instinct, he would prob stll one-shot the low tiers right?
Whats the point of equal stats if someone can just immediately buff themselves like that? Also even if thats the case, its not an anime, comic characters dont usually sit there and watch someone transform
@@arkkon2740 so the fighters are probably in arena and Goku is forced and if the character attack he will transform and you think they will one shot Goku you are the most biggest meat rider i seen in a while
@Sam-s5e5l brother when's the last time you've seen a character clock someone mid transformation in this series? They're always staring, even if its not impressive at all, like Hulk would palm Vegeta so hard if he ever goes into anything higher than SS2
You should have give him outer boundless scaling because marvel street tier has fought against the beings that can casually wipe out infinte boundless multiverse using marvel cosmology for scaling they are easily high outer boundless street tier they are absurd 😐😐
2:45 Someone dodging lighting doesn't put them at massively hypersonic (if you are trained enough and can predict where and when the enemy is going to fire you can dodge objects moving at insane speeds ).🤦😑
There are very few characters on par with Goku's martial arts ability. Nobody's blocking, dodging, and partying on Gokus level. I don't understand why people claim so many characters stand a chance with equal stats. Please please please don't call me a dumb db fan. I'm just observing Gokus fights in comparison to other characters and it's a no contest.
A lot of people forget that Goku isn't actually a master in martial arts. From what we see in the series, his mastery of martial arts is very rudimentary. Going back to OG Dragon Ball, Roshi's training didn't involve teaching Goku any actual known Martial Arts, but rather it involved them doing odd jobs such as delivering milk which served as training, resting, and education. In Dragon Ball, "martial arts" is a catch all term for fighting. And because Goku is just absurdly stronger than most of the opponents he fights against on earth who actually do know martial arts, majority of his fights boiled down to who's stronger/faster. I mean just look at how Goku can *not* for the life of him break out of a grapple through skill or technique. Any master in martial arts (in the real world) would know how to do this, but Goku doesn't know any martial arts techniques that can actually counter grappling. The only way Goku has been able to break out of a grapple is by powering himself up to be stronger than the opponent.
In terms of Rocket Raccoon, his _weapons_ can reach galaxy scale and maybe beyond, but it's often proven that he's not that strong himself. For example, a few of his weapons are capable of harming base Thanos, but Rocket struggles against the Infinity Gauntlet. In some cases, he's able to take a fraction of the Power Stone's damage output, but it still isn't all that impressive. Even Kid Goku would have the power to take down Rocket himself, but Rocket's known to be a supergenius and surprisingly quick, so you'd at least need Cell Saga Goku to start tanking most of the attacks in order to have a surefire win. Plus, I'd argue that Goku's various statements of being "infinite" in power by where we are in Super, would at least let people who argue "infinity is infinity" to have a wincon for Goku here. (Feats being UI Goku shaking the infinite void, statements of potentially having the power to defeat Infinite Zamasu, etc.) Squirrel Girl ain't lookin' so hot 🐿
Ok yall need to think about this for a second so 10k power level lets you be a planet buster but whatd weird is that roshi blew up the moon in og db with a kamehameha with just 130 powerlevel 550 in buff form and power levels are VERY exponential 5 being a base for a human and mr satan being thousands of times stronger with his kick being comparable to dynamite but only having a power level of 7-8 witch means that if you where 20 times stronger then when roshi blew up the moon you WOULD BE BILLIONS OF TIMES STRONGER not to mention that isnt even CLOSE to friezas first form witch uses less than 1 percent of his power and has a level of 530 thousand witch remember is WAY higher than just 50x planet buster now friezas final form full power has a power level of 120 million meaning frieza held back SO MUTCH power because of yhe exponential power level and fast fowards to cell saga he said he had enough power to destroy the solar system well if thats a solar system then solar systems in db are as big as universal because perfect cell is universal baby these villains have to hold back their power SO MUTCH just to not blow up earth by breathing in the buu saga apparently screaming opens portals go to battle of gods apparently super saiyan god is a 12 sextillion multiplier and thats absorbed into base “go watch dotodoyas video idk” oh yea also remember when i said perfect cell was universal yea he was only OUR universal super saiyan god stacked into base with ssj2 is 120 sextillion multiplier soo now goku is db universal scale witch is sextillions times bigger NOT TO MENTION HE CAN STACK SUPER SAIYAN GOD ON IT AGAIN AND GET SSB to say goku is low multiversal is such an understatement you have to donate your left kidney to db supers ass writers Conclusion goku solos fiction and no reality tier character is saving them this time
It's just a matter of where you scale them. Goku doesn't really stand a chance against a mid-high balled thor let alone cosmic entities. So yeah not very far.
People always forget Gokus battle of Gods feat was not even intentional so u can't even scale it as his strongest for highball. If you break something by it probably didn't take all ur strength and punches are weaker than kicks and ki blast so those punches destroying all that is actually crazy.
Damn it’s always either he solos or gets soloed when it comes to cross verse vs Goku. It would be nice to see Goku go up against someone where it really could go either way
@@lonkstakeswell he is low mui at the beginning of super but he does become multiversal on power later on via scaling abover merged zamasu also i do believe goku consistently is 5d to 6d via scalimg above gogeta vs broly which was stated in the dbs broly novels to be superdimensional amd also the afterlife being stated to transcend the dimensions viewd by the livimg world which makes sense as in a guide it is stated that time doest exist in the afterlife also the reasom charecters move in the afterlife even without time is due to rules and permissions put by the king yemma for dead people and ofcourse simce kais come from there also an exception also the supreme kai realm being stated to be non temporal as they say when they want to send gohan to the living world they say in the japanese temporal realm which is realm with time theu wouldnt be saying that unless they dont have time in the afterlife or kai realm also reason goku can usea ssj3 goku indefinelty im the afterlife is due to have no time being in the afterlife to drain his ki as when he used ssj3 on earth it wasted his time on earth
@@thethoughtrobot5486 No, he doesn't scale to infinite dimensions just because of Arale. Every episode that Arale is in DragonBall is specifically a crossover episode.
"Because Goku" isn't a character in Super. Reimu one shots since she has durability, fate, spiritual, conceptual and defence negation abilities and can move at Immeasurable Speeds and scales to Low Outerversal. She could launch Infinite Hakai that are Infinitely more powerful than Zeno, every Instant, in the past present and future.
Yeah thats about how i thought this video would go man didnt we learn our lessson with goku vs superman anime is op but comics are built different lol comics are insane anime just cant contend with the power scaling comics have its why i hate putting anime charecters against comic charecters u always know who is the actual winner most of the times should have used cc goku or xeno goku to make it more fair lol
You also have consider that Comics have been doing this for a lot longer. Marvel comics and DC comics had multiversal events before Dragon Ball Z was out, for example, In Crisis on Infinite Earths, Superman was able to punch Anti Monitor after he absorbed his whole anti matter universe and in Secret Wars 2, molecule man was atleast able to fight Beyonder, who just by getting mad destroy the entire infinite multiversea
That really depends on what anime you are watching. Only people who think dbs is the strongest anime really see comics as being stronger. Anime has beings like that as well. The creator, kami tenchi, anti spiral, kumagawa, akuto,persona series,and numerous others just to name a few. Some of these guys are baseline high outerversal. Its just that dragonball is really on the low end when it comes to high tier anime. You have to stretch to get to dragonball to outerversal, some anime start on that tier. 😂
@nuclearwaste2062 yeah but comics have had more years and decades to make charecters this strong goku when he was a kid could the moon even before that charectere in comics were capable of threatening multiversus goku only reached those levels of power in the 2010s when comics just made charecters even more buffed and cracked then they already are
It's an interesting video, but what about if we use other versions of Goku instead such as CC Goku or the jumpforce one? Does he has a better chance? 👀
I need middletrack to re scale this to the real scale of goku or kakorot scales because those are people who have scaled goku to the point where they know everything about goku and marvel comics so cant wait for middletrack to re scale this
dude gave u multiple reason on why marvel wins and shows proof of marvels cosmlogy begin way bigger then dbz and far better feats if by marvel charcters still says goku can win get ur meat out his mouth he loses
Okay, watching the vid now, wanted to slightly correct, iron fist is NOT mid tier, Lin lei absorbed the full enhanced chi from shao Lao, which includes the depth Danny added, where he became 10,000x stronger (with his normal chi, his normal amp, which prior was the 5 ton range). But besides that, Lin lei is a demigod, a direct descendant of a xian, who have healing factors that make Deadpool’s look cute, and the weakest xian is double Spider-Man’s physical stats, with the highest reflexes among the pantheons. So it’s a demigod Xian, enhanced by a massively amped dragon, which before the amp should already be comparable to other small dragons from Asgard for example, which seem to be around the 50 ton range. But with the iron fist, every single member is able to harm hulk level opponents, and nowadays they can spam it all day long, and it charges essentially instantly
Did...did you put Moon Knight on low tier but then not talk about him? You know he beat Thor when he had the Odin Force, right? As bullshit as it was, it happened. Or was Khonsu controlling Moon Knight at the time?
It depends on the author, and depends on the canon we follow. People say that GT isn't canon because it was a different writer. Do we go with the original writers for everything? Do we ignore Super Heroes too? Universe tree absorbed Goku could be multiversal+ because he's absorbed the entire energy of what's essentially yggdrasil but for multiple infinitely large realities.
"Kakarott what is happening?! She's just one earthling woman!!!"
"Vegeta Watch Out!"
🐿️🐿️🐿️
"SHES JUST A SQUIRREL HOW ARE WE LOSING"
"Vegeta we need to fuse"
*Gogeta appears*
She would just beat Goku like how she beat Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet because it's funny.
Nah vegeta would have flash backs to Arale
@powerlevelvlog1089 *Gogeta proceeds to get clapped anyways*
Yknow i think it be pretty funny if goku fought squirrel girl"s powers with his own comedy and trying to outgag her
If it goes off panel then goku's dead lmao
@@KEEPTALKIN8215 then kid goku shows up and breaks the panel
Kid Goku once broke the manga panel in og dragon ball @@KEEPTALKIN8215
The fact you'd think its close is astonishing
With how gag works it is unless goku doesn't use gag logic but in your opinion he loses no real way to prove it as theyll never fight tho @SosukeTYBW
"Kakarot, we need to fuse, this is base Squirrel Girl we're fighting!"
Sorry to ruin the joke but Goku has anti-gag by now, he has surpassed Beerus's level when he was going to destroy Arale and Arale scales beyond Squirrel Girl.
I mean, he hasn't. You could also say Arale just isnt impressive at all, her toonforce is a crutch for the fact that she had a planet level feat that might not have even happened @AlwaysOfflineForever
@AlwaysOfflineForeveryeah no your using no limits fallacy and that wasn’t a anti feat and goku never surpassed beerus level lmfao and squirrel girl dogwalks arale and scales above arale keep coping
@@arkkon2740Arale has a high hyper feat by herself and is outer because of DBS
Anyways, God bless🙏 Jesus loves you✝️❤️!!!
@@Lucifier-2anime Goku has surpassed Beerus lol
Anyways, God bless🙏 Jesus loves you✝️❤️!!!
Can't wait for vegeta vs dc
We'll see how well this one does lol
It would be even worse, Low tiers swap hands more casually with the high tiers in comparaison with marvel. @@lonkstakes
So basically vegeta vs super man
Low tier characters can range from wall level to Multiverse+ mid tier characters can range from Hyperversal to Low Outerversal and high tier characters can range from Mid Outerversal to High Outerversal.
When the batman fanboy solos dragon ball
Can marvel rival goku ❌
How long can goku last in marvel✅
Pretty much, but the title was too good not to use
nah goku solos
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@@kazem_gets fodderized
@@kazem_ ignorance is bliss
It'd be awesome if Goku just started using whatever was around him.
He casually catches Thor's hammer and uses it.
Thinks the power cosmic is neat and, somehow(maybe as an Ssb), finds a way to harness it.
Sees Hulk and comments how he reminds him of Broly.
And hangs out with regular folk to eat delicious food.
I would read that comic.
He can't weild mjolnir. Hes too reckless.
@ODINSON14 That hammer has weird retcons.
I think now if you "believe" you're worthy, it works now
@BrakSplash i am almost 100 percent sure that that isnt how it works now.
@ODINSON14 I believe you
I'm just saying. That's what happened in one of the comics. The Marvel comics hey retconned a lot.
@BrakSplash yeah
“HULK SMASH!” -Hulk
“You’re holding back, let your power out!” -Goku
“Hulk… *smash.”* -Hulk
(Hulk unzips pants)
*”Finally.”* -Goku
Thanks to everyone who reads my fan fiction here, chapter 2 will be released soon.
It already exists and is called Buxaverso
I expected better from you Big Yoshi
@@lonkstakes 😂
Cell would enjoy BBW Hulk
Never enter a kitchen bro.
I’m just confused if there are so many characters that can destroy the multiverse in an instant, and millions of different universes with these characters, why hasn’t one of them just said “screw it” and blown everything up on day just cause.
This actually has happened several times
@@lonkstakes darn sucks to be on those infinite worlds
Tbf the same logic could be used for Dragon ball
Mostly so the story can continue but the Marvel Multiverse has been destroyed many times by very powerful entities.
@AtomicJM711
Like bruh freiza multiple times could just press his hands to the earth and blow dat bih up.
Goku can't stop him unless he can tunnel to earth's core in time to stop the blast.
Freiza only doesn't because say it with me now "pride"
Broly should've blown earth up going Ss1. All that energy he's spraying off without giving af? Yeah earth shoulda been DONE lol
I love that squirrel girl is unironically one of the rosters heavy hitters
I mean, obviously, like you may be strong, but are you strong enough to take out armies of squirrels all at once coming out of nowhere? No, I don't think so
See what you did with the title there 🔥. Vegeta vs DC finna be peak🗣️🔥
I'll have to figure out a way to make the title equally as clever
@@lonkstakes "Vegeta vs DC is so unfair it's an injustice" 😭 this is horrible but I tried...
@@Krypton2113 don't sell yourself short, I think it was creative.
@@Krypton2113 the injustice of DC vs vegeta.
@@lonkstakes maybe make a pun with the Injustice game??
I can already imagine someone making a debunk video.
The internet can never agree on anything
It would either be people who think goku solos marvel (lol) or people who think I didnt make marvel slam goku hard enough
@@lonkstakesyou did say yourself you would only be using feats that are consistent for marvel and your using dragon ball super manga instead of both manga and anime but I’m not a marvel fan at all and you probably just prefer manga scaling so who cares what I’m talking about
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@@lonkstakesum ? Are currently caught up on the characters is still op ash like piecing up celestials which are multiversal characters same with current doom and currently this new run with spiderman
Drip source be taking notes
Goku and Deadpool really should try the fusion dance.
Sorry to be that guy, but they have to be near power level. I guess Goku could drop his to Deadpool’s level. But what’s the point
Potara fusion doesn't have that power level restriction
It's going to be a weaker fusion but if we use protara it will be some thing
I feel like you should of included some of iron mans buster armors like the phoenix and god buster. Those armors are craked to all hell.
It’s weird cuz he’ll make those. Use them once, and go back to using armor that aren’t as strong lol
@@lonkstakes that's comic characters for ya
Especially since ki blasts, like kamehameha wave, are plasma-based, so Tony could easily create a suit that nullifies plasma or just outright absorb it. Along with the help of spirit-themed characters, like Constantine and Doctor Strange, he could develop a scientific process that can counteract the spirit energy aspect of those attacks if you would want to include the attack having some form of spirit element to them. In other words, Tony would stand a pretty good chance if he could prepare for a Saiyan invasion.
@@mr.pompodill1485 wait who said ki was plasma?
The godbuster was sol strong that Tony decided to destroy the armor after the event in comics but he could Jake the armor again if he wanted@@lonkstakes
For those who aren’t marvel scaling nerds: anyone 20 ton range or above generally are in the mountain-small planet, 40 ton range are planetary, 70 ton range large planet (grey hulk, original thing, middle of run colossus) but then 100 and above, ranges from high end large planet to low multi, then the hell lords are all equal to Odin/zeus tier, satannish is slightly below, but comparable. Anyone above scales to them casually, and even the weakest hell lord is stated pandimensional and infinitely transcendent to 616, which includes Yggdrasil, a low hyper construct itself. Cheers! Love the videos Tonks! Keep up the good work brother
The 616 dimension scales to high hyperversal.
Goku: Alright, you everyone asked for it
Vegeta: Shut up Kakarot, lets show them who a- **Starts kissing each other*
Cyclops: Good idea professor!
Xavier: I-I'm not doing anything
Did you create this joke, that's fucking great hahaha
No one can beat Goku though
He has a power level of Goku-illion
Give tony stark some prep he could unironically make a saiyan buster armor
Would prolly look like frieza or broly somehow
It would probably fail the busters don't have the best track record
@@lonkstakesjust give him a needle 💉 bro
@@lonkstakes I mean, he recently had the "Cosmic Iron God" Armour which literal conceptual beings were concerned about. The armour isn't technically his own creation, but with it he clears.
Even without it, he has created Celestial buster armours which would give Goku a good fight.
Tony made armor to fight CELESTIALS before, so I believe it lol.
I like how general you are about everything while going over the details that matter. You get to the point. Usually, videos on this topic will be over 30 minutes long.
Bro thinks he's slick with that title. I hope it slips into the algorithm
You and me both
that title is 100% trying to capitalize on marvel rivals
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Goku is getting cooked bruh why did you set him up like this? 😭
Cuz marvel Rivals came out today and I wanted to talk about marvel lol
@@lonkstakesoh i thought it was because dragon ball had slammed like everyone u put them up against
fr Ghost Rider Folds Goku and His Verse
I believe that if Goku or Vegeta went to marvel or DC, they'd definitely become stronger because characters over there would push them to become stronger,
They might learn new ways of power and learn from those universes,
They might not be the strongest over there but they are pretty adaptable and would learn to thrive there
however , goku and vegeta have an interesting challenge in DC and marvel (but doesn't solo all of them). goku gets cooked just against the high tier in marvel don't get hil low like that.
Legitimately, I’d love to see MR.SATAN vs CAP. No powers, no ki, no flying, straight hands and hilarity 😂
Would be interested to see a cosmology video for both marvel and dragon ball. Especially given that Daima seems to be expanding upon the cosmology at least to some small degree.
bro whoever thinks Goku is folded by a dude with a bow is insanity.
What if its like. a really strong bow
@@lonkstakes...how strong?
@@lonkstakesthis Is the theorem of the big rock all over again
@@MExperiences so strong that it was able to kill T.O.A.A.
@CerealExperimentsMizuki That IS pretty strong.
But I'll have you know, that I am the strongest character in fiction. No one can ever beat me with my-
Title of the video should've been, " Why Goku VS Marvel isn't even close".
Doesn't Rocket have the Thanos-buster in his arsenal? (I'm asking)
Can Cartoon characters from Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, Disney, and Indie Animation beat Goku?
Idk
Yes.
Alien X, Uncle Grandpa, Chowder, Xenohort, Zanzar, Super Mickey, Colours Sonic, SpongeBob, Michael Daxter, etc...... there's many Multiversal to Hyperversal characters there and many others I can't remember off the top of my head.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki spongebob?
Abso-f*cking-lutely!
Finn solos dbs
Video idea how about do a video on your pinch for Goku and the absolute universe in DC comics
I think someone already did that
@@lonkstakes but I wanna see your version
Are you gonna get into Tokusatsu powerscaling one day? I would love a video on powerscaling the Kamen Rider, Super Sentai, and Ultraman franchises.
Tbh I know nothing about those series unfortunately lol
I can help if you want@@lonkstakes
Franklin Richards.
Clever way of putting in the games title lmao
I don't know how much info there is on Zeno, but it'd be interesting to see him in one of these scenarios
Love the vid
Thank you!
Drip Sauce debunk in coming🎉
More like 5.5k subs beggar supporter comming😂
I think ultimately it boils down to, if we’re talking strictly throwing hands and nothing else, Goku basically always wins, but as soon as you start adding all these powers and hacks in he just gets brushed off easily by a lot of other fictional characters
Honestly I'm of the opinion that his true skill is heavily overstated. If you added no UI and its just base to base, he's got a 25% chance with the verse mainly because a majority of characters have lived longer or fought a larger/more diverse group of people. Goku's villains are mostly the same in terms of fighting style and power, so someone throwing a fast one at him would catch him off.
And i know people love brining up King Kai's "thousand year" statement, but there's a difference between a thousand years of technique development and a thousand years of training experience, its implied to be the former since its literally nonsensical to get a thousand years of training done in the span of a single year
I was not thinking I was gonna hear about Splanetary-Man
I honestly think marvels infinite universe bs is just the writers trying their absolute hardest to outdo one another and it just becomes convoluted.
I thought of stan creating that rule so they could be more creative and have more variations and outcomes without ruining the main one
Goku stans nightmare, and marvel scalers euphoria
Huh, I thought Psylocke was actually a lot stronger than being low tier. Granted I don't know much about her, but I thought she was tougher.
She tends to off guard stronger people with her psychic blade which is why she might have some W's that arent really earned
Well in the canon manga we get to know Bardock wished goku to always survive and surpass his enemies... so that alone indicates goku would eventually win 😅😂
And that what insults all the development Goku had throughout Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z.
I don’t think that’s a correct way to say who’s wins in a fight. Feats alone isn’t enough to win a fight, then you have to factor in Gokus ability to get stronger while fighting, his ability to transform into levels that surpass his opponent, he literally did just that against jiren, Goku was completely outmatched vs jiren and overcame him by transforming. And another thing is that Goku has crazy feats as well and most of the time he’s holding back cause he doesn’t fight to kill, So yeah those characters may have better feats but I still would never count Goku out vs anyone. Especially if it’s a fight to the death or if it’s high stakes involved.
dude gave u multiple reason on why marvel wins and shows proof of marvels cosmlogy begin way bigger then dbz and far better feats if by marvel charcters still says goku can win get ur meat out his mouth he loses
Mid fight power growth is super inconsistent so its not much of a factor at all. At some points Goku can grow three times his original strength halfway into the fight, and other times he stagnates and only grows after training for extended periods of time.
Transformations arent everything either, some mid tiers and most top tiers have alternate forms at the ready, and relatively, its like an MUI level jump in power sometimes.
And as mentioned, many of the characters beating Goku have feats showing them rivaling or surpassing BoG Beerus at their lowest, and its only up from there.
Considering the fact that Goku's main winning factors are his villains letting him off the hook early, this probably wont happen here. If Goku needs to transform, good chance his opp can also transform or self amp just as fast. If goku purposefully drags out the fight to try and farm some power, characters like hulk grow exponentially more with much less to go off of. If its about how they'd react to a fight, marvel characters are more inclined to end the fight ASAP and stave off casualties/damage than lay down their lives for an unknown threat
blud just violated goku i mean,hawkeye vs base goku💀,base goku vs marvel multiverse💀💀=actual title---------)how much of marvel can goku solo? cuz marvel is basicly an outerverse 💀💀
*Hulks eyes start glowing green*
Goku: 💀
Dormammu appears
Vegeta: 💀
Ghost rider: "You are... Guilty"
Black Frieza: 💀
Yeah, these guys are screwed already
Wolverine has literally surprised quicksilver while wolverine was taking a piss he activated his claws and quicksilver stopped barely in time worst part was he casually did it comics are wild at times
Clever title… tryna appease the algorithm huh?
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clever ass title:..
Boardwalk.
You downplayed the hell out of the street tiers smh.
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@@lonkstakes But it still doesn't change that you downplayed them 😭
Goku gets his ass beat and then erased out of existence by the marvel universe. Anyone who actually thinks he stands a chance against marvel or DC is simply delusional.
I guess you could say MARVEL RIVALS goku
*cue laughter*
Lonk
You forgot Cassandra Nova. She basically one shots Goku with her abilities. She can predict every move, and rip his skin from his body.
Drip sauce debunk incoming 🔥
Or more like 5.5k sub joke debunk😂😂
Why don't he focuses on increasing some subs😂
@Kranime789 get a life lil bro you have 0 subs 🙏💀
@@abdeljalalrachdimali350and drip sauce has less subs than lonk why does that matter?
@@Jsipki265 how does that proves anything 💀🙏
@@Kranime789 and you have 0 lmao
Given how inconsistent comics are, I have actually grown really fond of Marvel’s Power Grid as a powerscaling system.
Marvel does have lots of characters that can easily destroy Goku.
Knull is one of them
Okay. Magik is a mutant sorceress tied to the inter-dimensional realm called Limbo. She functions as basically the Dr. Strange of that universe, and like Dr. Strange, is capable of vast, long-distance and inter-dimensional teleportation, which she accomplishes through a series of magic discs, which she summons, that can teleport anyone who steps on them. In addition, she's able to teleport through time as well as space, which would make her one of Marvel's strongest characters, if she could control it. However, her control over this power is still somewhat limited.
Within the realm of Limbo, Magik is virtually all-powerful, though her sorcery isn't as strong on Earth. Even on Earth, Magik is able to use these powers to project destructive energy, to reshape matter on a small scale, to leave her body for the astral plane, to summon monsters from Limbo, to constrict opponents, perform exorcisms, and project a defensive barrier around herself and others. However, none of these powers would be able to cause or protect against destruction on a planetary scale, or repair that level of destruction after it had been caused.
Magik also has access to enchanted armor and the Soulsword; both of which grow stronger when used. The Soulsword in particular can be used to harm any magical being, cut ethereal and other non-physical creatures with ease, break spells, absorb magical energy, enhance the magic powers of whoever wields it, and can only be used by the ruler of Limbo... Which is the one sure reason why it wouldn't work against Goku.
Depending on how Goku's powers are classified, he might or might not count as a magical being, and his Ki might or might not be absorb-able by the sword, but Magik's vast speed statistic is only *travel speed.* She's not able to keep up with someone traveling faster than light, so even if the sword is able to damage Goku, it wouldn't actually do so unless he let her hit him. At most, he might lose a finger to it, by trying to do what he did in his fight against Trunks. After that, he would immediately wise up and end the fight quickly, then bandage up the wound and go looking for a Senzu bean.
By comparison, the only thing about Cloak and Dagger that would be relevant in a fight with Goku is that Cloak's robes are a portal to a dimension of darkness. If you fall in, you can't get back out through physical means, and Cloak is able to absorb your life force. Those who've managed to escape from Cloak's dimension have done so through powers that were far beyond the mere physical. However, again, neither Cloak nor Dagger have superhuman reaction speed. Cloak is mostly intangible and can teleport back and forth from the dark dimension, but it's unlikely that he'd be fast enough to ambush Goku with his robes.
Magik is also above the limbo gods, who are comparable to Mephisto
So we not bringing up the thor buster? Or the nut busting iron god😩🙏(dont blame me he looks really cool ok)
4:58 if youre not familiar with the feats, should you really be making a video on this topic? No offense intended. Just generally curious. Maybe consult with someone who is? Thanks for the upload.
As someone who also grew up on marvel comics, you don’t go by all the most hyped statements only with comics because one issue the character is a god and the next they’re getting beat by a Spider-Man villain. You go by their average, unless using a specific version of the character. Goku one shots all of these characters on average. To stand a chance You have to use the most broken versions of them and even then basically none of them have shown the fight speed necessary to even touch him, like wolverine is never going to stab goku in a fight.
Even consistent wise Goku gets fuxked a lot of these characters were dealing with multiversal threats since the 80s and have gotten stronger.
Cc goku solo w vid bro
easily
CC Goku might make it passed the Marvel Comics Street Tiers, probably on the level of the Herald tiers and loses badly to Skyfather tiers and above
CC Goku at best is only Baseline Outerversal.
Then jump force goku join in the party
No CC Goku IS mid complexe multiversal AT best, he gets dogwalked with the entire Heroes verse by Spiderman Beyonder alone..
POL spiderman IS beyond overkill
Destroying a single universe in marvel is a hyperversal feat. A single universe in marvel contains infinite realms, dimensions, timelines, and other small universes contained in it and all of them create infinite possibilities. If you destroy the marvel multiverse in lowball your outerversal.
Magik in my opinion could beat Goku as she was able to beat Dr Strange, enchantress, broke the bonds of cytorrak, even destroying the gem of cytorakk, she's faster than Thor's hammer, and she can teleport through time and space
So yeah, I dunno why you put her below Spider Man and Iron Fist
See I just didnt know she did allat thats why she went in the "idk where you scale" tier
@lonkstakes There's alot more "street level" characters that could actually beat Goku
For Example, Juggernaut was able to fight both Thor and Hulk, tanked Thor's god blast head on and thanks to having the gem of cytorakk, he cant really tank damage on the normal sense
Hulk was destroying the Dark dimension, as confirmed by Umar and was killing the mindless ones, who can make Dormammu ask Strange for help. He also destroyed Dark Crawler's dimension, which trancends asgard.
Even if we include Heroes's, the gap between cosmologies doesnt change as all Dragon Ball gets is infinite timelines, the time nest, and the crack of time. Marvel has the negative zone, asgard, dark dimension, superflow, overspace, the outside, the far shore, nexus of realities, beyonder realm, the white hot room, mystery, house of ideas, and then toaa realm.
@@godspeedforce9371Juggernaut is not a street tier wtf💀 legit consistently he’s compared to high tier avengers
Generous scaling for goku but he is losing badly to so many marvel characters. Like dude literally had to limit the characters to just the marvel rival game cause they are so many characters to go through😂
There are so many underrated characters that literally not only oneshot goku but his whole verse. Characters like franklin richard and legion from just the x-men franchise alone solo the verse, that's not counting the entire marvel comics as a whole
A Lonk video where the Dragon Ball character loses? Someone check up on the dude to make sure he isn't dying of a disease or something.
In equal stats, goku still has his transformations, right? So, when we stack ssj, ssj2, ssj3, ssjg, ssjb, and ultra instinct, he would prob stll one-shot the low tiers right?
Whats the point of equal stats if someone can just immediately buff themselves like that? Also even if thats the case, its not an anime, comic characters dont usually sit there and watch someone transform
@@arkkon2740you didn't watch DBZ did you transformation are instant
@Sam-s5e5lthey're not, never have been. As soon as goku does that weird arm cross, he's getting gut checked
@@arkkon2740 so the fighters are probably in arena and Goku is forced and if the character attack he will transform and you think they will one shot Goku you are the most biggest meat rider i seen in a while
@Sam-s5e5l brother when's the last time you've seen a character clock someone mid transformation in this series? They're always staring, even if its not impressive at all, like Hulk would palm Vegeta so hard if he ever goes into anything higher than SS2
all goku needs is a training ark
Keep up the cope 😐
Odin is where I think he stops if you’re generous, and not using ridiculous scaling for top tiers like the Hulk.
I think people forget how crazy comics are
You should have give him outer boundless scaling because marvel street tier has fought against the beings that can casually wipe out infinte boundless multiverse using marvel cosmology for scaling they are easily high outer boundless street tier they are absurd 😐😐
Eh, Thor and Hercules would love goku just for the sparring session alone, so don’t worry he’ll get there
I think Goku might be worthy of mnjolnir
Yea honestly goku has the raw power in most cases but he just gets outhacked so hard. Great video
Goku versus Dark Schneider sometime? That would be neat :)
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Someone dodging lighting doesn't put them at massively hypersonic (if you are trained enough and can predict where and when the enemy is going to fire you can dodge objects moving at insane speeds ).🤦😑
Are you a m0ron? What human has point blank has reacted to lighting or in a microsecond?
Next video idea: - Scaling Class 1-A from My Hero Academia.
Goku wins don’t even needa watch the whole video 💀
Goku and vegeta after beating JHONNY storm with extreme diff seeing the rest of the fantastic 4 pullup
There are very few characters on par with Goku's martial arts ability. Nobody's blocking, dodging, and partying on Gokus level. I don't understand why people claim so many characters stand a chance with equal stats. Please please please don't call me a dumb db fan. I'm just observing Gokus fights in comparison to other characters and it's a no contest.
Iron fist victim
@@CJ-qv4sd Hawkeye victim 💀
A lot of people forget that Goku isn't actually a master in martial arts. From what we see in the series, his mastery of martial arts is very rudimentary. Going back to OG Dragon Ball, Roshi's training didn't involve teaching Goku any actual known Martial Arts, but rather it involved them doing odd jobs such as delivering milk which served as training, resting, and education. In Dragon Ball, "martial arts" is a catch all term for fighting. And because Goku is just absurdly stronger than most of the opponents he fights against on earth who actually do know martial arts, majority of his fights boiled down to who's stronger/faster.
I mean just look at how Goku can *not* for the life of him break out of a grapple through skill or technique. Any master in martial arts (in the real world) would know how to do this, but Goku doesn't know any martial arts techniques that can actually counter grappling. The only way Goku has been able to break out of a grapple is by powering himself up to be stronger than the opponent.
Goku is on Thor and Superman level, but he could do nothing agsinst Beyonder and Spectre.
No he's not
He's only arguably superman level. Meaning at Goku highest, even to an absurd degree, Superman still has at least a 50/50 chance
He is not on anyone's level lol
Superman and thor folds him and they both get folded by beyonder spiderman and Avatar of darksied
@@arkkon2740 He’s not Superman far from it. Like Marvel a single DC universe has endless possibilities and is extra-dimensional.
I don't know if it was intentional, but i see what you did there with the title, with Marvel Rivals just releasing.
In terms of Rocket Raccoon, his _weapons_ can reach galaxy scale and maybe beyond, but it's often proven that he's not that strong himself. For example, a few of his weapons are capable of harming base Thanos, but Rocket struggles against the Infinity Gauntlet. In some cases, he's able to take a fraction of the Power Stone's damage output, but it still isn't all that impressive.
Even Kid Goku would have the power to take down Rocket himself, but Rocket's known to be a supergenius and surprisingly quick, so you'd at least need Cell Saga Goku to start tanking most of the attacks in order to have a surefire win.
Plus, I'd argue that Goku's various statements of being "infinite" in power by where we are in Super, would at least let people who argue "infinity is infinity" to have a wincon for Goku here. (Feats being UI Goku shaking the infinite void, statements of potentially having the power to defeat Infinite Zamasu, etc.)
Squirrel Girl ain't lookin' so hot 🐿
Ok yall need to think about this for a second so 10k power level lets you be a planet buster but whatd weird is that roshi blew up the moon in og db with a kamehameha with just 130 powerlevel 550 in buff form and power levels are VERY exponential 5 being a base for a human and mr satan being thousands of times stronger with his kick being comparable to dynamite but only having a power level of 7-8 witch means that if you where 20 times stronger then when roshi blew up the moon you WOULD BE BILLIONS OF TIMES STRONGER not to mention that isnt even CLOSE to friezas first form witch uses less than 1 percent of his power and has a level of 530 thousand witch remember is WAY higher than just 50x planet buster now friezas final form full power has a power level of 120 million meaning frieza held back SO MUTCH power because of yhe exponential power level and fast fowards to cell saga he said he had enough power to destroy the solar system well if thats a solar system then solar systems in db are as big as universal because perfect cell is universal baby these villains have to hold back their power SO MUTCH just to not blow up earth by breathing in the buu saga apparently screaming opens portals go to battle of gods apparently super saiyan god is a 12 sextillion multiplier and thats absorbed into base “go watch dotodoyas video idk” oh yea also remember when i said perfect cell was universal yea he was only OUR universal super saiyan god stacked into base with ssj2 is 120 sextillion multiplier soo now goku is db universal scale witch is sextillions times bigger NOT TO MENTION HE CAN STACK SUPER SAIYAN GOD ON IT AGAIN AND GET SSB to say goku is low multiversal is such an understatement you have to donate your left kidney to db supers ass writers
Conclusion goku solos fiction and no reality tier character is saving them this time
Cope
@ no you cope
@@oliverensley-uv4xvyou powerscaled using multipliers you’re not that smart.
Iron man could make an energy absorber like the androids
“HES JUST A COLLEGE STUDENT IN SPANDEX WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING”
“Great power great responsibility”
"im gonna put some dirt in your eyes"
It's just a matter of where you scale them. Goku doesn't really stand a chance against a mid-high balled thor let alone cosmic entities. So yeah not very far.
People always forget Gokus battle of Gods feat was not even intentional so u can't even scale it as his strongest for highball. If you break something by it probably didn't take all ur strength and punches are weaker than kicks and ki blast so those punches destroying all that is actually crazy.
What the hell is goku going to do when captajn america sees his kamehameha faster????
Magneto is an alpha level mutant and he is holding back almost 100% of the time
“Can marvel rival Goku” hold on his writings kinda fire
W vid bro
Damn it’s always either he solos or gets soloed when it comes to cross verse vs Goku. It would be nice to see Goku go up against someone where it really could go either way
The genuine problem like I say in the video is that very few characters are specifically low multi in the same way goku is
@@lonkstakes wouldnt goku be infinite dimensional with arale scalling?
@@lonkstakeswell he is low mui at the beginning of super but he does become multiversal on power later on via scaling abover merged zamasu also i do believe goku consistently is 5d to 6d via scalimg above gogeta vs broly which was stated in the dbs broly novels to be superdimensional amd also the afterlife being stated to transcend the dimensions viewd by the livimg world which makes sense as in a guide it is stated that time doest exist in the afterlife also the reasom charecters move in the afterlife even without time is due to rules and permissions put by the king yemma for dead people and ofcourse simce kais come from there also an exception also the supreme kai realm being stated to be non temporal as they say when they want to send gohan to the living world they say in the japanese temporal realm which is realm with time theu wouldnt be saying that unless they dont have time in the afterlife or kai realm also reason goku can usea ssj3 goku indefinelty im the afterlife is due to have no time being in the afterlife to drain his ki as when he used ssj3 on earth it wasted his time on earth
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No, he doesn't scale to infinite dimensions just because of Arale. Every episode that Arale is in DragonBall is specifically a crossover episode.
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That's Not what the guidebooks say
Could you bring: Because Goku (DBS) vs Reimu Hakurei (Touhou) is not a balanced battle, I see people asking for this all the time
I dont plan on scaling Touhou, but thank you for the suggestion
@@lonkstakes I will always remind you of this when I post a video.
"Because Goku" isn't a character in Super.
Reimu one shots since she has durability, fate, spiritual, conceptual and defence negation abilities and can move at Immeasurable Speeds and scales to Low Outerversal. She could launch Infinite Hakai that are Infinitely more powerful than Zeno, every Instant, in the past present and future.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki Wow sounds like Base Goku may have to use 1% of his power to neg her
@CerealExperimentsMizuki What?
Yeah thats about how i thought this video would go man didnt we learn our lessson with goku vs superman anime is op but comics are built different lol comics are insane anime just cant contend with the power scaling comics have its why i hate putting anime charecters against comic charecters u always know who is the actual winner most of the times should have used cc goku or xeno goku to make it more fair lol
He would do kinda better but still would have lost
Lol yeah man comics are crazy u need like scp or cthulu or some crazy ass overpoweree verse to contend bro sun wukong come help ur boy goku out lol
You also have consider that Comics have been doing this for a lot longer. Marvel comics and DC comics had multiversal events before Dragon Ball Z was out, for example, In Crisis on Infinite Earths, Superman was able to punch Anti Monitor after he absorbed his whole anti matter universe and in Secret Wars 2, molecule man was atleast able to fight Beyonder, who just by getting mad destroy the entire infinite multiversea
That really depends on what anime you are watching. Only people who think dbs is the strongest anime really see comics as being stronger. Anime has beings like that as well.
The creator, kami tenchi, anti spiral, kumagawa, akuto,persona series,and numerous others just to name a few. Some of these guys are baseline high outerversal. Its just that dragonball is really on the low end when it comes to high tier anime. You have to stretch to get to dragonball to outerversal, some anime start on that tier. 😂
@nuclearwaste2062 yeah but comics have had more years and decades to make charecters this strong goku when he was a kid could the moon even before that charectere in comics were capable of threatening multiversus goku only reached those levels of power in the 2010s when comics just made charecters even more buffed and cracked then they already are
It's an interesting video, but what about if we use other versions of Goku instead such as CC Goku or the jumpforce one? Does he has a better chance? 👀
I need middletrack to re scale this to the real scale of goku or kakorot scales because those are people who have scaled goku to the point where they know everything about goku and marvel comics so cant wait for middletrack to re scale this
dude gave u multiple reason on why marvel wins and shows proof of marvels cosmlogy begin way bigger then dbz and far better feats if by marvel charcters still says goku can win get ur meat out his mouth he loses
i love the takes that lonk gives
Okay, watching the vid now, wanted to slightly correct, iron fist is NOT mid tier, Lin lei absorbed the full enhanced chi from shao Lao, which includes the depth Danny added, where he became 10,000x stronger (with his normal chi, his normal amp, which prior was the 5 ton range). But besides that, Lin lei is a demigod, a direct descendant of a xian, who have healing factors that make Deadpool’s look cute, and the weakest xian is double Spider-Man’s physical stats, with the highest reflexes among the pantheons. So it’s a demigod Xian, enhanced by a massively amped dragon, which before the amp should already be comparable to other small dragons from Asgard for example, which seem to be around the 50 ton range. But with the iron fist, every single member is able to harm hulk level opponents, and nowadays they can spam it all day long, and it charges essentially instantly
Did...did you put Moon Knight on low tier but then not talk about him? You know he beat Thor when he had the Odin Force, right? As bullshit as it was, it happened. Or was Khonsu controlling Moon Knight at the time?
It depends on the author, and depends on the canon we follow. People say that GT isn't canon because it was a different writer. Do we go with the original writers for everything?
Do we ignore Super Heroes too? Universe tree absorbed Goku could be multiversal+ because he's absorbed the entire energy of what's essentially yggdrasil but for multiple infinitely large realities.
All I’m saying is everyone with reality warping abilities are just weaker versions of buu and we know how that went.
I can think of some characters that Goku isn't beating, they aren't a lot but there are some.
Heroes goes toe to toe with Marvel Top tiers
Magik could scale much MUCh higher than mif-tier to upper mid/high tier at the very least she could put up a really good fight.