Bowser VS Eggman (Death Battle) DEBUNKED

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  • @Unremarkable6969
    @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +676

    To clarify!
    When I asked why Eggman's trump cards weren't factored into the main scenario, I am not referring to the animation, done by Moro.
    Animation, especially now, is expensive and time consuming, I completely understand why things like the Time Eater and the Metal Virus could not be included for the main fight animation.
    What I am referring to is the over all conclusion they came to, because beings like Infinite and Neo Metal, and game enders like Spatial displacement and the Phantom Ruby, seemed to be swept under the rug during the final section.

    • @theguywhoasked2597
      @theguywhoasked2597 Місяць тому +36

      The reason alternate scenarios weren't used in fights was due to budget

    • @mateushenriquepinheiro3197
      @mateushenriquepinheiro3197 Місяць тому +125

      @@Unremarkable6969 Bowser's side also had way more things that could have been brought up but weren't included, pretty sure King Boo got glossed over for the most part aside from field control. Heck he could have possessed Metal and there wouldn't be any way for him to counter it, from my own research I couldn't find a single argument that he could resist possession by himself.
      Also Infinite is not that big of a threat, it is just the writing of Forces that hyped him up so much that he couldn't possibly live up to the expectation, also the storyboard artist confirmed that his crushing by the Twhomp was a reference to another Bowser vs Eggman animation.
      But are you mad that Eggman didn't win or are you fine with the result, just disappointed they didn't analyze his stuff the way you did in your video? A lot of debunk videos usually stamp from someone being salty because their character didn't win, but Bowser vs Eggman was so close it didn't feel to me like their research was wrong.

    • @notarobber5387
      @notarobber5387 Місяць тому +51

      Infinite doesn't really have any resistance to transmutation unless you count the cube wispon, but that's not on the same level or scale as Bowsers reality warping and transmutation. Bowser could also steal the ruby. The only phantom ruby user with resistance to transmutation would be Lightman in the egg fields seeing as he controls all aspects of it and can make his thoughts into reality. Both have insta win sealing like King Boo's paintings that immobilize and seal, and cyberspace and spatial displacement traps. Each would be hard to pull off given the amount of allies in each side. If either is pulled off it's an insta deal. Bowser has no way to counter super Neo metal as the chaos emeralds remove adverse effects, and are able to attack conceptually. Doesn't have a reliable way of getting rid of the time eater either.

    • @Eli_Young
      @Eli_Young Місяць тому +7

      @@theguywhoasked2597 he just said that tho😭 he knows why it wasn’t included

    • @colvamoon6962
      @colvamoon6962 Місяць тому +35

      Because, if Eggman brought them up, Bowser had something to counter it. So, just as Eggman's options were swept under, so would the solutions that Bowser could present.

  • @no9ah103
    @no9ah103 Місяць тому +1033

    Before anything is said
    Bowser's "Showtime" went hard af

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +202

      That was an epic clutch moment

    • @toiletcombiner
      @toiletcombiner Місяць тому +7

      @@no9ah103 bowsers showtime went wayyy harder than anything the entire eggman empire did the whole fight, ima be fr

    • @silverrath
      @silverrath Місяць тому +16

      @@toiletcombiner nah I think Neo Metal beats him out there

    • @6Loser_2Ratio_5Hater
      @6Loser_2Ratio_5Hater Місяць тому +11

      ​@@silverrath "I'll crush you."

    • @adnan_honest_jihadist5775
      @adnan_honest_jihadist5775 Місяць тому +3

      the rules of death battle for the battles in itself is a full of big mistakes so them taking non-canon stuff automatically invalidates their battles EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. thats how every death battle is debunked by me

  • @theauditor3224
    @theauditor3224 13 днів тому +25

    "For Mario fans, enjoy your win. Your games are still mid anyway”
    THIS COMING FROM THE SONIC FAN?!?!?

    • @fennx4527
      @fennx4527 4 години тому

      I mean Mario games are mid ngl

    • @theauditor3224
      @theauditor3224 2 години тому

      Yeah thats kinda bullshit buddy boo

  • @Flaps_jacks69
    @Flaps_jacks69 Місяць тому +1784

    Only reason metal sonic died is because he got scoliosis from carrying the team on his back😭🙏🏾

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +317

      ON GAIA

    • @Robloxboi2435
      @Robloxboi2435 Місяць тому +31

      Meh Metal sonic was irrelevant

    • @YourFavoriteBlueHedgehog
      @YourFavoriteBlueHedgehog Місяць тому +24

      FR 😭
      242nd like

    • @zg5417
      @zg5417 Місяць тому +13

      My boy rage used to be believable

    • @FlamePurple
      @FlamePurple Місяць тому +25

      Metal died cause he decided to NEARLY KILL Bowser’s LITERAL CHILD which pissed him off immensely.

  • @butthemeatwasbad
    @butthemeatwasbad Місяць тому +245

    It's hard to take a debunk serious when you only analyze one side. A Bowser fanboi could pull the same stunt and complain about them not giving Bowser a super star to become invincible.
    Also, I'm fairly sure the animation in every Death Battle is just for show. They do those after they've analyzed and determined a winner.

    • @JPeculiar1
      @JPeculiar1 Місяць тому +39

      Thank god someone said it. Looking through the comments and so far the only one who mentions the animation is for entertainment was you

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  29 днів тому +54

      I addressed this in the pinned comment of the video, but when I said that, I was referring to their overall conclusion and final thoughts. Not the beautiful fight animation done by Moro.

    • @jjohnson2445
      @jjohnson2445 28 днів тому +8

      ​​​@@Unremarkable6969 they didn't even add the egg bosses into the main scenario

    • @mrlotobvious
      @mrlotobvious 26 днів тому +2

      There are few i would like to talk about. First I think there's one little flaw that no one notices and its the phantom ruby power. I've thought alot about and my solution to its power is that basically makes anything thay originates from the virtual reality(which is were his clones and the stuff he creates originates) become real and is able to do the inverse thanks to willpower as shown when the avatar uses the replica to erase the fake sun. Anyway another it can do which not much people talk about is the ability to phase which was shown in the avatar vs infinite boss fight in the end cutscene and you mightsay its him digitalizing himself (meaning turning him self to a virtual entity instead of physical like some hologram) so that he doesn't take physical damage or him digitalizing the attack but the fact that infinite who was recreated to master the phantom ruby dispite it being a replica means that its not impossible for him to be able to phase reality bending attacks by digitalizing them. Also the chaos have been proven in multiple occasions that they are infinite power they have enough to create a whole dimension within them as seen in sonic r secret stage and have enough power to alter the universe due to there wish granting space time altering power. Also not alot people talk about the damage this infinite can like this guy is state to be stronger than all previous creations including the egg dragoon by a thousandfold with Japanese sub saying trillions and is proven to be faster than sonic which clones that could give sonic a difficultly to defeat which should massively stronger than the sonic who in half hp defeated erazor jin even after he absorbed 3 universes so these clones in a minimum can be universe level. Infinite is fraud not cuz he weak its cuz despite the power he has hes manages to get done dirty

    • @justice8718
      @justice8718 25 днів тому +4

      @mrlotobvious Infinite, Eggman, and Bowser are honestly stupidly out of character in this entire fight. Bowser doesn’t have convenient power ups and getting beaten up is enough to put him down in most games.Infinite will only stop fighting if he is forced to stop. Eggman only had one fight similar to the death battle in Sonic Unleashed, and it was armies first, boss Mecha, then the emergency resort. But that ultimately was set up for the grand scheme of waking up a being of destruction.
      Bowser never had a set up this elaborate.
      Honestly, I don’t like these battles since they make them into murder rituals.

  • @maverickzerox8397
    @maverickzerox8397 Місяць тому +1571

    “Mario fans, ur games are mid”
    I ain’t a Mario fan but you’re clearly salty as a pretzel 😭

    • @KiiBon
      @KiiBon Місяць тому +547

      Yeah calling Mario games mid as a Sonic fan is... a bold move. Remember who you were in the 2010s

    • @CheosgamerX-ik1kq
      @CheosgamerX-ik1kq Місяць тому +54

      I once threw my chair on a guy that nade fun of me for liking Sonic back in school...I was like 9 years old don't judge me

    • @Uesr2004D
      @Uesr2004D Місяць тому +123

      @@KiiBon Bro was so salty, that's how sonic fan nerds are!

    • @Kurouso2099
      @Kurouso2099 Місяць тому +61

      ​@@Uesr2004DDont act like most fandoms ere not toxic when a character of the verse they like lose. Elso, yall should check his community post, he adressed this claim.

    • @leeeroyjenkins555
      @leeeroyjenkins555 Місяць тому +9

      ​@@KiiBon and the 2000s

  • @КириллТрифонов-е5ф
    @КириллТрифонов-е5ф Місяць тому +336

    The fact that Eggman can’t build a dаmn theme park even after threatening the destruction of infinite timelines proofs that bureaucracy is outversal+

  • @TheEternalFlame57
    @TheEternalFlame57 Місяць тому +873

    Wait a fucking minute, Egg Man's goal is to build a theme park 💀💀

    • @Eminster
      @Eminster Місяць тому +136

      Um yeah? Been a thing since the classic games

    • @asian_6724
      @asian_6724 Місяць тому +70

      I mean that and world domination (colors and forces)

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +351

      In Sonic Chaos, he wanted to use the Chaos Emeralds to build Nuclear weapons
      so he could build a theme park

    • @Eminster
      @Eminster Місяць тому +21

      @@TheEternalFlame57 I mean sonic colors exist

    • @RyuEmatsu
      @RyuEmatsu Місяць тому +20

      He built it in Unleashed

  • @burbusburbus8782
    @burbusburbus8782 Місяць тому +450

    Im gonna make some counter arguments, as a fan of both
    "You gave kamek chance time, I don't want to hear it" I'm not sure that's a prep-time issue, that kinda just happens in like 20 seconds. The real issue is if they count it as canon
    "They gave him infinite, but where's starline" as of now? Dead. Before that? Wanting to be eggman's superior, which caused them to fight. Probably not the best "working together" terms
    "There's no way Bowser is doing anything to the egg dragoon" well, if you noticed in the animation, while he did hit the gun, the main way to destroy it was actually just throwing the electric drill attack back at it to weaken, and THEN impale the cockpit. So he didn't destroy the machine, he just broke through a part of it
    The metal virus is confusing because by all technicalities, shadow *did* resist it for a bit. there are moments where he's clearly spindashing into the horde, and he comes out fine. Plus, shadow was created at minimum 50 years before the metal virus, which isn't naturally occuring. And it mutates rather quickly.
    "Knowing Mario fans -" listen, as a sonic fan, we are in NO position to talk
    For the phantom Ruby I think it's more of a cancels out. The phantom Ruby alters reality, yes. So does the wonder flower. It's kinda pointless to have both because neither get an edge.
    Oh boy, the super sonic thing. Okay, throughout frontiers, which is after the metal virus arc in IDW, sonic says "I'll need the chaos emeralds, and maybe a little luck." Sage calculates that supersonic can't defeat the end on his own. And in the final horizon dlc (if bowser gets Mario party, we get this), supersonic is shown to be OBJECTIVELY overpowered. The chaos emeralds, when gathered, should not be able to have infinite power, while also being overpowered.
    As for the loyalty part...yeah they could have worded it better, essentially eggman isn't the best strategist in terms of war. Referring back to IDW, tails notes that when metal sonic, pretending to be eggman, sent out robots, they were much more coordinated. It's more like teamwork and strategy. They just phrased it bad.
    "Your games are still mid anyway" don't get cocky, we still had the 2010's, the worst mainline mario got was the NSMB series, which isnt even close to sonic's worst
    That's about all of my issues.

    • @Skynetbear
      @Skynetbear Місяць тому +50

      Honestly I was having immense issues when this started talking about infinite scaling feat which really oversells a lot of what Sonic characters have done in the past
      There are impressive feats but jeez none of these guys are infinite in any regard

    • @burbusburbus8782
      @burbusburbus8782 Місяць тому +22

      @Skynetbear didn't break that down, but I found the logic sound, the result unacceptable. Because that means that base sonic scales beyond Solaris, and maybe I'm in the wrong, but that's ridiculous

    • @Skynetbear
      @Skynetbear Місяць тому +23

      @@burbusburbus8782 My problem was that you could make the same infinite feats for Bowser who tanked the destruction of the universe which has a similar cosmological scale to Sonic’s and had the Pure Hearts which are capable of repairing the damage caused by the Chaos Heart capable of wiping out all existence
      Now what we have is 2 characters who are just infinite in what they can do and the scaling gets muddy

    • @burbusburbus8782
      @burbusburbus8782 Місяць тому +16

      @Skynetbear I always saw the fight as "toned down plot armor (sonic universe) vs toned down toon force (Mario universe)"

    • @themustardman219
      @themustardman219 Місяць тому +17

      Super Sonic has infinite energy. It just doesn't USE infinite energy. Input vs output

  • @CalebWhite-l6n
    @CalebWhite-l6n Місяць тому +646

    Let's make this interesting...
    I'll be trying to *defend* everything I feasibly can, this comment will be updated with everything once I'm finished.
    "why weren't the alternate scenarios / some of Eggman's gear used in the main scenario"
    Because they're not made of money, they couldn't feasibly include everything in the animation. You could also make this argument for Bowser. why didn't they include the Star Rod, The Dream Stone, or The Wonder Flower? It would be the same answer, they just didn't have the budget for it. Those alternate scenarios weren't even meant to be there, they were just something Morø did for fun (further proof why he's a goat). Rest assured that even *if* it wasn't in the animation or they didn't have enough time to mention it while keeping a cohesive and well-paced conclusion, it *was* likely factored in.
    "They don't mention any of the stronger Eggman Mechs"
    Uh... Yes they do...? they're pretty explicitly listed in Eggman's arsenal. They're also probably the reason Eggman was given, and I quote: "Equivalent strength via mechs"
    "Eggman built a thing that transcends dimensionality and then has things later that are stated to be the strongest thing he's ever built"
    Cool i guess but Bowser and his army have the scaling to match.
    As for the Egg Dragoon being stronger than The Egg Salamander and having immeasurable speed. Fair I guess, Sonic power creep does go crazy. Though I could argue Bowser just has the stats to match.
    "They don't use the hard-boiled heavies"
    I've heard that they were cut and appeared fighting the koopalings in the storyboards, mainly because it would have just taken too much time for a segment so small. Also, just look at defense number 1.
    As a bonus defense, Phantom King is one of the many people who betrayed Eggman, so it's unlikely he would have factored in (at *most* we would have gotten Heavy King)
    "Metal Sonic should be beyond lightspeed"
    True, Death Battle also probably agrees with you. He *was* likely scaled to the 73 quadrillion times lightspeed feat in Eggman's analysis and the immeasurable arguments given in the black boxes during the post analysis.
    Also, as for the copying, it's mentioned Kamek can just shut it down in the post analysis (they also King Boo just flat out possessing technology IIRC, so that's also another counter as he could just possess Metal Sonic and stop him from doing shit).
    "The Phantom Ruby's illusions are real"
    ...True! I won't defend this, I think it was dumb for them to focus on this argument. I think choosing to focus on the Wonder Flowers debatably greater scale as mentioned in the post analysis would have been *much* better.
    "Infinite downplay"
    Yeah, You could argue Infinite is stronger then where they put him (as long as you don't argue he's Solaris level I don't have a problem LOL). Bowser's army however can reach the same scale and have the hax to take him out (Transmutation, Wishing him out of existence, you get the idea).
    *However,* you *can't* scale him to stuff like Mania's Phantom Ruby. Because Infinite only has a weaker prototype Phantom Ruby (to be fair, this is a detail a lot of people forget).
    "Why didn't they give Eggman the Lightman form?"
    Because of the shitton of prep it takes. Even then, the only real leg up it would give him is its memory manipulation. You can argue Bowser resists this due to his brain constantly creating backups of memories (It's his brain is also encrypted like a computer, but it's simultaneously still organic so Sage can't hack it. Even if it could be hacked, if she tried it would release Memory M & L as a defense mechanism.)
    Also, Chance Time was just for the lulz. Bowser has several other ways to steal items.
    "Solaris downplay"
    ...Yeah... Not much to say, Solaris scaling was downplayed based on what was said verbally.
    "Where's Starline?"
    One of the many people who betrayed him, and Eggman wouldn't be willing to work with him again. Which means he wasn't factored in.
    "The best for Bowser is inaccessible."
    Nope! He was able to keep up with Chaos Heart-amped individuals like Count Bleck and Super Dimentio, which threatened every world and dimension in all of existence by physically traveling in and destroying each one (the only exception was Dimension D due to Dimentio controlling the Void and specifically making it be safe). This would necessarily have to include the Cutout dimension, which is stated to “transcend the boundaries of space and time”, effectively making it beyond time. The Pure Hearts were also able to catch up to the Void and reverse it, meaning they’d need immeasurable speed to do so.
    "5D scaling"
    Bowser has this and 6-D scaling, for more info read "the true scope of Mario's cosmology" on reddit
    "Spatial displacement trap"
    Bowser resists it through some combination of reality warping, matter manipulation, and his own physical durability. Worst case scenario, his regeneration is just *that* good.
    Can Eggman resist being turned into a brick or a painting though? That's what I thought.
    "The metal virus"
    Bowser has counters to it up the ass! Just to list... A *few*
    1. Party Cleanse (get rid of all the party's negative status effects)
    2. Minion Spirit (allows them to resist mine corruption because they're just *that* loyal lol)
    3. Even if you want to argue it's corruption is *layered.* Bowser Jr could just use the medicine he used to cure Morton of Formula:X's brainwashing (Morton was immune to Fawful's mind corruption last game).
    "The only thing that can counter The Phantom Ruby is The Phantom Ruby"
    No Limits Fallacy. The Phantom Ruby has never really interacted with other reality warping powers before, so we can't say it would be immune to it. Even then, nothing is preventing it from just being stolen (or turned into a slipper by Kamek)
    "The Lightman should have been used because Death Battle takes combatants at their best)"
    The Lightman just isn't a form Eggman has easy access to compared to something like Dreamy Bowser or Wonder Bowser where he only needs one specific item to activate the form. It'd be like giving Dr Doom The Beyonders powers because that was technically his best. It's just *not* something he can access easily, even then it's not really a guaranteed win.
    "The Chaos Emeralds grant infinite power, so the Grand Stars couldn't match them.)
    Infinite Power is... Pretty vague and undefined, it'd be a bit disingenuous to say it's infinitely above something because of a singular statement. Even then the stars aren't even the best MacGuffin Bowser has.
    "Loyalty doesn't matter"
    Okay. The argument isn't *just* that Bowser's army is more loyal. That's used as supporting evidence that Bowser's army is just better at working together, Eggman's a terrible team player who gets betrayed constantly and whose army just isn't really built to work together for an all-out war scenario like this one.
    "Eggman's ambitions aren't as high"
    Bowser's army being bigger probably also helps with the much larger conquest LMAO. In all seriousness, the point about their conquests is more so just to cap it off, not an actual important argument.

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +139

      Interesting. I'll bite.

    • @CalebWhite-l6n
      @CalebWhite-l6n Місяць тому +79

      ​@@Unremarkable6969Alrighty, I'm pretty sure I've responded to everything.

    • @9TrixieTurner6
      @9TrixieTurner6 Місяць тому +38

      Damn that’s a concise list.

    • @antasmunchie
      @antasmunchie Місяць тому +169

      Took way too long to find a comment like this. Thank you for being one of the few actually trying to contribute to the conversation instead of the typical "Hurr salty fanboy hahaahh!!" comments (though the uploader's attitude certainly doesn't help prevent those types of comments)

    • @AzumarillConGafasBv
      @AzumarillConGafasBv Місяць тому +31

      Finally, someone reasonable

  • @Unremarkable6969
    @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +720

    Regardless of the outcome, the fight animation was peak fiction

    • @VillageOtter
      @VillageOtter Місяць тому +20

      Indeed, Love that episode

    • @EpicGamer-69
      @EpicGamer-69 Місяць тому +25

      Metal was the MVP, sad that he went out the way he did

    • @Dawnfall_06
      @Dawnfall_06 Місяць тому +5

      But the egg salamander and wizard was piloted by Eggman and Eggman nega

    • @DJBurns-jq8mn
      @DJBurns-jq8mn Місяць тому +3

      Facts

    • @DJBurns-jq8mn
      @DJBurns-jq8mn Місяць тому +4

      ​@@Dawnfall_06yeah, that and the Egg Wizard were the only mechs Eggman shouldn't get. He is confirmed to have every other mech and robot he has used before though.

  • @DeathBattleFan-wi4cc
    @DeathBattleFan-wi4cc Місяць тому +425

    The fact that death battle made not only sonic fans, but dragon ball fans salty almost back to back is really funny.

    • @liljuddz
      @liljuddz Місяць тому +40

      can’t wait for Goku vs Sonic

    • @Baki659
      @Baki659 Місяць тому +9

      ​@@liljuddzseems like theyl be pretty close unsure who would win, dont know if they will count forms like hyper or not

    • @hiddenflare6169
      @hiddenflare6169 Місяць тому +8

      @@liljuddzMore like ‘remake of Shadow vs. Vegeta’ when!?

    • @BBK113
      @BBK113 Місяць тому +13

      @@DeathBattleFan-wi4cc pretty sure they pissed off the jojo fans as well

    • @DeathBattleFan-wi4cc
      @DeathBattleFan-wi4cc Місяць тому +9

      @BBK113 JoJo fans (including myself) don't get nearly as upset or care as much for their character losing compared to dragon ball and sonic fans. They go apeshit if their character loses, but at least with among us vs. fall guys, I'm pretty sure fans of both series won't really care if either one loses.

  • @NeonBlueLight
    @NeonBlueLight Місяць тому +54

    7:01 This is what I like to call "Yamcha Syndrome". Where a character is mocked for being a pushover or weak in their franchise but is actually considered really strong when in a vacuum, just like Yamcha. The only reason why Infinite is viewed as so is because that's just how strong Sonic, Shadow and their friends really are in comparison.

    • @GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg
      @GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg Місяць тому +8

      Yeah it's kind funny to me. Infinite's such a loser in his own series...that he's kind of the reason everyone in Sonic is Universal+ in base, because they're all within 2 or 3 degrees of chain scaling to this guy.

    • @TrueBladeSoul
      @TrueBladeSoul Місяць тому +4

      Hell even Mr. Satan is insanely strong just not in dbz

    • @serialdreamer8386
      @serialdreamer8386 Місяць тому +1

      Random Mute Mobian Citizen with a weapon: 🗿

    • @NeonBlueLight
      @NeonBlueLight 18 днів тому

      @@serialdreamer8386 I mean he was literally working alongside Sonic. How they were able to double boost is beyond me, but still, he had help. A lot of it.

    • @serialdreamer8386
      @serialdreamer8386 18 днів тому

      @@NeonBlueLight
      Infinite defeated Sonic.
      Which means he was stronger than Sonic.
      Then Sonic defeated Infinite.
      Which means Sonic got stronger.
      Soon After, the newbie fought against Infinite which was at his peak(?)
      The newbie defeated him making him have to flee.
      Then the final battle which defeated him definitivelly was by the double boost.

  • @devonlynch6042
    @devonlynch6042 Місяць тому +71

    In an alternate timeline eggman wins and you make a video debunking it saying bowser should have won.

  • @abyss-aster8748
    @abyss-aster8748 Місяць тому +39

    Honestly was expecting a video like this to happen but honestly, no matter what the outcome was, both sides did end up winning with this amazing peak fight, a Big W for both sides, gotta appreciate moro for all his hard work to satisfy both sides, i do hope he makes more appearances in death battle, such a talented man

    • @epiccarrot88
      @epiccarrot88 Місяць тому +2

      @@abyss-aster8748 Moro did his best with what he had, but whoever did the storyboarding had a clear bias either for Mario or against Eggman

    • @riomo4076
      @riomo4076 Місяць тому

      @@epiccarrot88 true

    • @summergarcia6836
      @summergarcia6836 24 дні тому +1

      I guarantee there would have still been debunking videos no matter who won

  • @Sómaisoutrotrevo9324
    @Sómaisoutrotrevo9324 Місяць тому +42

    man, they turned metal sonic into the egg carrier in this fight fr

  • @tigerlover2853
    @tigerlover2853 Місяць тому +36

    Honestly, I feel like Death Battle said it best themself, Eggman feels more grounded in reality (As close to grounded in reality a balding man fighting a Mach speed hedgehog can be, anyways.) while Bowser feels more cartoonishly strong.

    • @PK_Miracle
      @PK_Miracle 25 днів тому +4

      They did say that Mario's world is just too absurd compared to Sonics world too. I Definitely agree .
      Sonic's world always ....well....attempts....to have an explanation for everything.
      Mario's world is more of a "what you see is what you get" type of situation. Sure you do have explanations in some cases but then you have things like
      Chance time
      Some people say that Sonic is like Shonen and Mario is like a cartoon and like....yea...I agree

    • @artstylereality2004
      @artstylereality2004 24 дні тому +2

      It would make sense, I know some Mario cast have toon force. Like in the games. I knew some M&L serie that we see Luigi use his hammer to size Mario body and other crazy stuff they do.
      Either Super Mario Odyssey that he doesn't take fall damage when he jump off a cliff.

    • @code066funkinbird3
      @code066funkinbird3 14 днів тому

      ​@@PK_Miracleok

    • @PK_Miracle
      @PK_Miracle 14 днів тому +1

      @artstylereality2004 Then there's Wario who is the prime source of Toon force Characters in Mario.
      THE GUY CAN'T DIE, JUST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT.

  • @pegasusanimationssometimes
    @pegasusanimationssometimes Місяць тому +45

    he wants to build a theme park so badly its the whole fucking reason the fight began
    "this territory is now the base for my upcoming eggmanland 2"
    he almost kills sonic and mass produces robots plus pisses on the moon plus threatens timelines
    SO HE CAN BUILD A THEME PARK

    • @shiloh-o6h
      @shiloh-o6h Місяць тому +4

      Fr like didn’t he make small planets in sonic colors

  • @skrub_king
    @skrub_king Місяць тому +197

    This is more "How come Eggman didn't get THIS weapon" than debunking

    • @yaboical2744
      @yaboical2744 Місяць тому +47

      Well if they claim to put both of these characters at their peaks and have them fight, And one of them is a genius engineer and inventor, wouldn’t a debunk of this fight literally just come down to “why didn’t egg man have _?” He’s not a brawler by any means lol

    • @summergarcia6836
      @summergarcia6836 Місяць тому +17

      Yea but it requires so much prep to get that super form that it doesn't even matter and even then they took it into account in a sperate senerio it wouldn't have changed the outcome whether he had it or not.

    • @mirzapramudya1580
      @mirzapramudya1580 Місяць тому

      ​@@yaboical2744because resources are limited

    • @KumatorasLittleCutie-Pie
      @KumatorasLittleCutie-Pie 29 днів тому

      Ikr 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @Phantom-Shadow567
      @Phantom-Shadow567 28 днів тому +8

      And you ignore the guy debunking their scaling for Infinite and the overall results and reasons
      Next time watch the actual video

  • @lordsuinax3470
    @lordsuinax3470 8 днів тому +6

    I mean, you have some fair points, but a lot of credibility is lost when you say "I don't know much about Mario so we'll skip Bowser's segment," and proceed to sweep a lot of Bowser's feats under the rug with by saying "there's no way he'd be able to match that." I'd say it's fine to disagree with the outcome, but you could get your point across more effectively if you're willing to analyze the opposing side more thoroughly. Still though, some valid points made in this vid

  • @pope4510
    @pope4510 8 днів тому +5

    Unremarkable is a very good name for this channel, because thats exactly what it is

  • @thefakeparadox-2376
    @thefakeparadox-2376 Місяць тому +433

    virginite: IM STRONG, IM STRONG, IM STRONG!!!!!
    Chad Twomp: UUUUHHH!!!!

    • @TheNelsonShowRebooted
      @TheNelsonShowRebooted Місяць тому +86

      @@thefakeparadox-2376
      Virginite: IM NOT WEAK… IM NOT WEA-
      *_URGHHH_* 💯💯🔥🔥🗣️🗣️

    • @toiletcombiner
      @toiletcombiner Місяць тому +3

      "I AM NOT WEAK! I AM NOT WEAAAKKK!!!"
      the thwomp in the background:

    • @xthax9718
      @xthax9718 Місяць тому +11

      King Boo: 😂🗿

    • @lucioespinoza-y6c
      @lucioespinoza-y6c Місяць тому +5

      Best meme ngl

    • @Kitty255Again
      @Kitty255Again Місяць тому +2

      Bob-Omb: we weu we weu wue we

  • @TheRokakakaFruit
    @TheRokakakaFruit Місяць тому +418

    Moral of the story...
    Metal Sonic carried the entire match.

    • @JUICE-BOXALT0
      @JUICE-BOXALT0 Місяць тому +20

      He's the coldest fictional character of course he did

    • @Neo_Flame-21
      @Neo_Flame-21 Місяць тому +11

      He died from the back pain

    • @maxkingjoe5460
      @maxkingjoe5460 Місяць тому

      @@Neo_Flame-21no budget cuts.

    • @Umbra_Ursus
      @Umbra_Ursus Місяць тому +2

      Benefit of being the single strongest autonomous mech the good doctor has put together.

    • @FlamePurple
      @FlamePurple Місяць тому +7

      His one downfall was messing with the King of the Koopa’s child..and of course also his
      ***D A R R R K M A G I C.***

  • @envixity258
    @envixity258 Місяць тому +100

    That death battle was peak Cimena tbh i don't care who won i need Moro to be in death battle a bit more

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +12

      Moro VS Galactus?

    • @envixity258
      @envixity258 Місяць тому +17

      @@Unremarkable6969 i mean the animater moro_production not the uh dragon ball character

    • @HarbingerYT
      @HarbingerYT Місяць тому +4

      ​@@Unremarkable6969 I think he means the animator, who did this Death Battle.

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +7

      @@HarbingerYT I am slow 😓

    • @FrancisL4D
      @FrancisL4D Місяць тому

      Moro vs Darth Nihlus (Dragon Ball VS Star Wars) Goes hard.
      Nihlus destroys btw.
      ​@@Unremarkable6969

  • @JanGamex
    @JanGamex Місяць тому +404

    “For Mario fans, enjoy your win. Your games are still mid anyway”
    I knew you were coping from the very start, but you didn’t have to make it obvious..

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +70

      Mario games are boring to ME. They are polished, Galaxy is fun and cozy, and 64 broke boundaries and paved the way for the 3D platforming genre. But for me, they are just fluff. In one ear and out the other.

    • @datmooshroomguy4653
      @datmooshroomguy4653 Місяць тому +101

      ​@@Unremarkable6969honestly it's hard to give people your opinion because they're always going to this shitty

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +33

      Eh, oh well

    •  Місяць тому +30

      @@Unremarkable6969I think you are completely right. In fact I can’t even play a Mario game without being completely bored through my mind. I mean heck Sonic 1 had MULTIPLE ROUTES YOU COULD GO THROUGH ON THE LEVELS and the only game I saw from Mario that did that was a DS game. NOT EVEN THE WII GAME DID THAT LIKE BRO WHAT THE HELL. And don’t get me started on how Mario characters in almost every game have little personality while Sonic games SHOW PEOPLE GETTING KILLED IN COMICS AND GAMES LIKE BRO WHAT IS EVERYONE ON?!?!

    • @Fruad_jo
      @Fruad_jo Місяць тому +3

      I mean the comics are a different story as unlike the games they aren’t restricted as much and I won’t deny the first Sonic’s games definitely outshined the Mario games but uh Sonic games weren’t doing so hot until ya know frontiers and maybe the shadow game but that’s not coming until way next year but after seeing its trailer it’s probably gonna be good but anyways Mario was always consistent in quality even if it was mid it was consistent with some absolute bangers coming every once in a while but sonic games just kept on falling on its face over and over again. There wasn’t a good games for literal years. Although I do like sonic 1 gameplay more but I can see why people like Mario so much as it’s relaxing its easy and it’s fun for them

  • @vittokyokoxpokemon5969
    @vittokyokoxpokemon5969 Місяць тому +50

    The fight is summarized in "eggman doesn't hit any punches"

    • @ironicallyedgy7234
      @ironicallyedgy7234 Місяць тому +16

      That’s because they used the animation to show how both were different leaders, which ties into the post analysis and overall conclusion. Bowser was rushing in on the front lines, while Eggman sent his troops ahead from far away. It’s in character for both of them.

    • @estevao.2
      @estevao.2 20 днів тому +3

      @@ironicallyedgy7234 because eggman does not haves super powers him self and it was all robots

  • @godhaloknight6332
    @godhaloknight6332 Місяць тому +106

    While I still dont agree with Infinite being above Solaris and Time Eater, I can at least appreciate that you at least TRIED to explain how he could be stronger than the two via scaling, rather than just resort to just that dumb quote from the promotional material. It's nice seeing effort.
    Also, for every "Didnt give Eggman This or That," there's definitely one for Bowser as well.
    At least we got some animated Lightman and Time Eater, as well as the Metal Virus, so I can't complain
    Fuck Forces though

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +33

      FUCK Sonic Forces, all my homies HATE Sonic Forces

    • @godhaloknight6332
      @godhaloknight6332 Місяць тому +19

      ​@@Unremarkable6969
      Though without Forces, we wouldn't have gotten Infinite's Theme
      He's such a cool concept but goddamn it he's the ONLY good appeal of Forces.
      Thwomp'd

    • @StrangestDetriment08..-
      @StrangestDetriment08..- Місяць тому +1

      ​@@Unremarkable6969 I actually love the game, it just could have been better

    • @wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569
      @wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569 Місяць тому +5

      @@Unremarkable6969Sonic Forces is worse than a bad game like Sonic 06 or Sonic Boom to me because it doesn’t even try anything. It has no soul.

    • @miyahdon7057
      @miyahdon7057 Місяць тому

      why is everyone hating on forces, I loved that game, it was short but sweet. Also, all the infinite lore was pretty hype.

  • @Feres20000
    @Feres20000 Місяць тому +41

    "Mario fans,ur games are mid" sonic getting one "new" good game dosent mean that we forgot the other shitty games that lasted more than a decade,while mario games were killing it.

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  29 днів тому +3

      Sonic hasn't had a bad game since Sonic Boom, and even that was made by a completely different studio called, "Big Red Button"
      Sure, games like Forces and Superstars aren't great, but they're not broken.

    • @Feres20000
      @Feres20000 28 днів тому +9

      @@Unremarkable6969 yeah okay i do like sonic games too but that dosent mean you can trashtalk mario games over a death battle video lol

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  28 днів тому +11

      I can actually, because it's my video.

    • @rkur936
      @rkur936 24 дні тому +2

      ​@@Feres20000 if he wants to trash them he can lmao its his video

    • @flamingsword2548
      @flamingsword2548 19 днів тому +2

      You were saying no bad games since sonic boom? Forces wants to speak with you

  • @archmagemc3561
    @archmagemc3561 13 днів тому +4

    I am an expert in these two franchises, and i agree with what deathbattle said as the winner. Once they announced it, i said "Bowser is going to win, it just depends on how long Metal Sonic can hold out. Eggman has no win condition." The reason being, everyone one of Eggman's win conditions Bowser has answers to, or can just say "no" to so in the end its just a raw feat of who can overpower whom and if Bowser ever caught Eggman, Eggman was toast. Even if Bowser couldn't' use a single one of his biggest things twice, Eggman just couldn't win that war of attrition.
    I'll go over all of the win conditions I saw of Eggman and how Bowser can counter them. Before I start, Bowser has a few mcguffins of his own. Star Rod, Dream Stone, Grand Stars, Pure Hearts, Wonder Flower. Eggman would need to counter all 5 of these and still have things left in the tank that could take out Bowser before he could win. And in the case of the Grand Stars, he might need to do it multiple times.
    1. Lightform, Bowser can use the Wonder Flower, Star Rod, or Dream Stone to counter this and win handily as his things are just stronger.
    2. Nightmare Eggman, Same deal, although the Star Rod and ESPECIALLY Dream Stone are very very strong here as both are way stronger at manipulating dreams than Eggman is. (To put this in perspective, could Ngihtmare Eggman beat Kirby? Because Kirby would use the same star rod against him.), Dream Stone would counter this in a thanos snap and not use any effort on Bowsers part.
    3. Death Egg full power laser, Bowser has survived a supernova into a supermassive black hole. NOTHING eggman has done can rival that amount of power. Death Battle actually undersells how insane of a feat that is. Bowser could take a few punches from Popeye before he'd feel them to put it in perspective. (Granted Popeye beats Bowser no question.) This would greatly damage Bowser no question though, and they show that clear as day as it took him to Dry Bowser. Or he can just Star Rod and become immune to it, but that'd lead to the planet being cracked.
    4. The Titans, If sage could summon these, they'd get wrecked by Fury bowser as Fury bowser is way stronger than when he fought Mechanized peach's castle and that thing summoned black holes. (Which are integral to the fight. Bowser would routinely pull himself out of said black hole to attack.) and he could easily overpower them.
    5. Metal Virus, They explained it, Bowser can just reverse the effects via his own magic, Kamek's magic, Jr's magic, or pull out the Star Rod or Dream Stone to wish it away/wish for immunity. Or an even funnier method, he gives his minions Metal caps which would turn them into metal anyway and cancel it out.
    6. Spacial Displacement Device, This one I thought might be a win condition for Eggman, until it was made clear it would just be too slow to rip Bowser apart before any of his minions saved him with a variety of methods. It was a lot more fragile than I thought it would be. Kamek, Jr, king boo, or even just Bowser resisting it with his own magic would be enough. This could also use up one of Bowsers win conditions as well, such as the Star Rod or Dream Stone or Wonder Flower to counter it but that isn't needed here.
    7. Phantom Ruby Prototype and Phantom Ruby itself, including Infinite, This is the one people have contention with, but they were completely right with how they used it. These would wipe out Bowser's minions but against the koopa himself they had no real way of doing anything but inconvenience him. He could tough out any phatnom ruby shenanigans, use the Wonder Flower to just get rid of it, just overpower it, or have King Boo do what he did. Infinite isn't as strong as people make him out to be. He is a glass cannon, very good at an initial attack, but after that he folds quickly. He couldn't even do that gravity thing in the game, so they buffed him here by quite a lot. Now you might mention Null Space, but Bowser has ways of getting out of that too. Granted he'd have to use say, the Pure Hearts to get out which is a MAJOR trump card, but he can do it. And he could just tank the sun falling on his head so he doesn't care about that one.
    8. Metal Sonic and his forms, including Super metal sonic. This is Eggman's best chance at beating Bowser out of everything he had. Metal Sonic himself could take out everyone in the koopa troop that wasn't Bowser himself no question, even without going super. The question is if Super Neo could stand up to the Dream Stone, Star Rod, or a Grand Star. This is where ti gets abstract, but considering only living creatures can draw the full power of the Chaos Emeralds and not machines, there was a good chance Bowser would just win. Granted any of Bowsers biological abilities Metal could copy, but Kamek like they showed can just turn that power off, hence why Metal didn't copy anything until after he knocked Kamek out.
    9. Time Eater, well, bowser just beats this in Fury. He can travel through time as well with his own magic, so this doesn't mean anything. Dream Stone is overkill here.
    10. Chaos Emeralds themselves, Bowser could swap them, steal a single one, or just overpower them. The issue here isn't that the Chaos Emeralds are weak, they're not. Its that Eggman can't harness their full power with his machines. And scaling to Solaris doesn't matter because of that, and also because of Bowser beating Super Dimentio who had the power to wipe out the multiverse and possibly recreate it, not just the timelines of a single universe which just outscales Solaris.
    11. Eggman just cracking the planet. Bowser can breath in space and has the ability to move through space. (Yes there is the can't breath game over in Super Paper Mario, but he learned how to breath in space later on.) so this wouldn't mean too much. Granted it would be him, Jr. and Kamek unless an airship survived that his minions could be on, while Eggman would have himself, sage and metal, and thats just boring.
    12. Neo Metal uses Chaos Control shenanigans. Unfortunitally, Bowser has counters to this through his own powers, Kamek, King Boo, or a simple mario powerup like the Stopwatch. And even if the time freeze stuck, there wasn't a whole lot Metal could do in chaos control to do enough damage as not even Shadow does damage during chaos control fully freezing time. (He can do damage when the enemy is slowed down in chaos control however, which leaves Bowser the ability to counteract it or defend himself from it.)
    I can explain any other points or discuss any others if you got any. Eggman is strong, but the problem he runs into is that he is reliant on science and anime logic, Bowser relies on Magic and cartoon logic. Eggman would need a way to deal with Bowsers magic to use any of his more esoteric win conditions, which he would need because he didn't have the ability to overpower him. And he'd need to deal with ALL of bowser's win conditions at nearly all times while Bowser could systematically dismantle all of eggmans which Eggman can't re-use like Bowser can. And Eggman couldn't exhaust Bowser's mcguffins while having anything left that could deal with Bowser as Bowser can counter a lot of Eggman's stuff without needing to resort to anything beyond Fury while Eggman only really had Metal Sonic to rely on outside of his own mcguffins that could hurt Bowser.

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  13 днів тому +1

      I literally can't read all that, I have dyslexia so that's just word soup to me. But major props for effort.

    • @archmagemc3561
      @archmagemc3561 12 днів тому +2

      @@Unremarkable6969 TDLR, A lot of Eggman's win conditions Bowser can counter without using his own large win conditions, while Eggman could only pressure Bowser with Metal Sonic. And the ones he needs to use his own items to counter, he has enough items to counter them all without using the same thing twice.

  • @Glasgowphilosopher
    @Glasgowphilosopher Місяць тому +232

    To quote the true victor of this battle: "Shut up, nerd!"

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +55

      Damn...
      Can't really argue with that

    • @franktamburello838
      @franktamburello838 Місяць тому +12

      @@Unremarkable6969 I agree with your arguments but theirs no comeback to that.

    • @Phantom-Shadow567
      @Phantom-Shadow567 28 днів тому +3

      ​@@franktamburello838real

    • @mlpkillers6293
      @mlpkillers6293 7 днів тому

      So true!
      "Shut up, nerd! Now thst your tech is gone... Are you ready for my breath? 😏

  • @01croc
    @01croc Місяць тому +256

    I respect your debunk, but I still think Bowser wins this. Especially since you didnt really do a good job Debunking the Bowser stuff since you skipped over his section.
    Not to mention, powerscaling is way too subjective to just say the Mario cast CANT have immersurable speed and that Bowser cant match the emeralds if he has the stars AND the dream stone.

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +76

      Fair enough, a lot of Power Scaling is up to personal interpretation, because Nintendo isn't making things any easier 😒

    • @jaybonewilks2747
      @jaybonewilks2747 Місяць тому +29

      Power scaling isn't subjective, it's objective, it's just that most people are too biased to admit their wrong, or most people don't do proper research
      Something DB is known for... I still remember those god awful outcomes between Hulk vs Broly, Megatron vs Frieza, and Discord vs Bill cypher

    • @theguywhoasked2597
      @theguywhoasked2597 Місяць тому +74

      @@jaybonewilks2747 it 100% is it depends on interpretation of statements, what you deem consistent and other factors

    • @Warking19
      @Warking19 Місяць тому +64

      ​@@jaybonewilks2747You have to have a massive ego to claim that your views on a matchup is objective

    • @elnino3740
      @elnino3740 Місяць тому +31

      Multiversal base mario and luigi is some of the dumbest power scaling wank I've seen and completely breaks the narrative of every game. This isn't even a kirby situation where at least the character is portrayed as doing amazing feats on screen to somewhat back up the scaling. Mario has 0 planet busting feats whatsoever. He has dozens of building level and below antifeats. He is supposed to be physically weaker than regual bowser. Why are people trying to use dreamy bowser to scale everyone to multiversal and beyond. Modern powerscaling is nonsense

  • @PheasantRunFarm
    @PheasantRunFarm Місяць тому +42

    I have seen so many of these 'debunking' videos, and every time they're from a channel that revolves around Sonic and its fandom.
    It's almost like there's a pattern..

    • @yaboical2744
      @yaboical2744 Місяць тому +6

      Sooo like, are you gonna disprove what they’re saying? Thats not an argument or even a point to make. Of course people who care about something in a large fanbase are going to call out miscalculations or blatant lowballing when they’re also clearly versed in the franchise. Sounds like 1/10 ragebait I gotta say

    • @PheasantRunFarm
      @PheasantRunFarm Місяць тому +15

      That's not really the issue. The issue is that they look at one side and one alone. This entire video is about how Robotnik would win if he got more of at his disposal. Why not do the same with Bowser? If one side scales up then the other should as well tbh. And this is coming from someone who didn't really care who won or not.
      I might not have gotten my point across in my original post so sorry about that, but my point still stands, there's an obvious bias. I mean come on, they bring up in the video that they don't like Mario multiple times. But, it doesn't really matter in the end since the Death Battle happened and they chose the winner, no point in arguing it.

    • @yaboical2744
      @yaboical2744 Місяць тому

      @@PheasantRunFarm if it’s not something worth arguing about, is it also not something worth commenting about?

    • @PheasantRunFarm
      @PheasantRunFarm Місяць тому +11

      @@yaboical2744 It was a simple observation I made when I looked up the Death Battle to watch again and saw debunking videos underneath it, all with the same pattern.
      People can still argue about it, I'm not going to stop them, but what I meant was that these videos aren't going to magically change the outcome of the Death Battle. They're a little redundant I guess is all.

    • @yaboical2744
      @yaboical2744 Місяць тому +1

      @@PheasantRunFarm I agree with that, but even if it won’t change the outcome of this particular battle it doesn’t mean something like this won’t be done again, so it’s good that they get all the inconsistencies or misinterpretations out of the way,Iike how they had the metal sonic versus cell debate beforehand

  • @gaminwithproplayer836
    @gaminwithproplayer836 13 днів тому +4

    This whole video is exhausting to sit through.

  • @Oyflim_The_Great
    @Oyflim_The_Great Місяць тому +75

    Ngl, I think this would happen if Eggman underestimated Bowser and just went in thinking this was gonna be easy.

    • @craze6309
      @craze6309 Місяць тому

      @@Oyflim_The_Great even so would still be a tough call if he didn’t

    • @Oyflim_The_Great
      @Oyflim_The_Great Місяць тому

      @@craze6309 what call

    • @Shiiba_Inu
      @Shiiba_Inu Місяць тому

      @@craze6309 fals

    • @DICEBOY22
      @DICEBOY22 29 днів тому

      that's what I thought to... to me Eggman feels like he would be like Batman or Deathstroke type research and prep time in his approach.

    • @PK_Miracle
      @PK_Miracle 25 днів тому

      ​@DICEBOY22 Then again it would be against Death Battles rules but I do understand

  • @Yokalm
    @Yokalm Місяць тому +29

    1:13 because animation is expensive. And also because the only reason this fight is an army fight at all, is because Moro essentially went, "Hold my Beer" if the fight was a traditional 1 on 1. They absolutely would have invluded stuff like the spatual displacement trap in the animation.

  • @upcomingperson4098
    @upcomingperson4098 10 днів тому +2

    I'll admit, I don't know much about Mario and I'm more of a Sonic fan so maybe I don't have the right to say much considering I never researched another verse, but... I don't really think calling another game "mid" is gonna help the PR side of the argument lol

  • @idkaname1904
    @idkaname1904 Місяць тому +12

    i soon as i saw the shadow pfp i knew what bro was about to do

  • @mrmackellar3337
    @mrmackellar3337 Місяць тому +141

    That fight went so stupidly hard that I don’t even care about the victor 😭

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +43

      The hype of the fight got me invested and then Eggman lost and I had a moment

    • @alexbaribeault
      @alexbaribeault Місяць тому +9

      Moro carried the episode on his shoulders

    • @erickgoncalvesramosdasilva9176
      @erickgoncalvesramosdasilva9176 Місяць тому

      ​@@Unremarkable6969If It helps:
      Morø Said in his twitter that he was rooting for Eggman.

    • @redmartin6237
      @redmartin6237 Місяць тому +3

      ​@alexbaribeault
      Fr tho.
      His back must be in worse shape than Metal's with the godlike carry that was the animation.

    • @yeezoyoutube
      @yeezoyoutube 22 дні тому

      ​​@@Unremarkable6969a seventeen minute and thirteen second long moment, apparently

  • @TwiMil2008
    @TwiMil2008 14 днів тому +10

    Mario being mid while Sonic is good makes no sense, I'm sorry. 🤷‍♀️

  • @supergamerbro9398
    @supergamerbro9398 Місяць тому +6

    Oh dear... It appears that I have stepped into a war zone. Good thing I have the thousand-yard stare meme in my digital clipboard, like every time a Death Battle drops.

  • @alexanderharjes1800
    @alexanderharjes1800 Місяць тому +29

    If you don't want anyone saying bad things about your debunk, do actual research on both sides?That's all my advice i have to say

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +6

      I strive for and love comments critiquing my video. It holds me to a standard.

  • @African-AmericanGoose
    @African-AmericanGoose Місяць тому +98

    I still can't forgive them for Ben 10 vs Green Lantern to this day, but the animation was top tier
    ngl.

    • @DJBurns-jq8mn
      @DJBurns-jq8mn Місяць тому +22

      Fair and I agree. Green Lantern could win but the way he did win was pure 🐃💩

    • @DromusTH
      @DromusTH Місяць тому +3

      ​@@DJBurns-jq8mn I want aliens that could do something with hals light construct several ones they named but didn't even put in the video.

    • @DJBurns-jq8mn
      @DJBurns-jq8mn Місяць тому

      @@DromusTH we all did

    • @lilsupaSSR
      @lilsupaSSR Місяць тому +3

      Facts I cant let that go

    • @Phantom-Shadow567
      @Phantom-Shadow567 25 днів тому

      Nah Broly vs Hulk was literal brainrot

  • @ApoloEditor
    @ApoloEditor Місяць тому +70

    Anyway
    Bowser protecting his army and his son was the coolest thing about this battle

    • @Casual_Silverthehedgehog
      @Casual_Silverthehedgehog Місяць тому +5

      Metal transforming into Neo was cool too. And the death egg appearance. And the part where Neo went super (he should have ended that fight).

    • @randomperson-real
      @randomperson-real Місяць тому

      i dont get how it didnt kill those enemies behind him tho, it literally went past bowser and could easily destroy the planet, especially bc the emeralds

    • @Casual_Silverthehedgehog
      @Casual_Silverthehedgehog Місяць тому

      @ so true

    • @vvxyz5944
      @vvxyz5944 Місяць тому +4

      bowser caring for his army.. no, his FAMILY. 🥺

    • @JAGER_43
      @JAGER_43 11 днів тому

      He wouldn't done that anyway because he uncontrollably

  • @lllupatyn
    @lllupatyn 17 днів тому +4

    Еще один плачущий фанат Соника

  • @starflett618
    @starflett618 16 днів тому +6

    Im gonna believe the people who did their research instead of someone whose whining over their favorite character losing 😂

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  16 днів тому +3

      @@starflett618 😐

    • @l4d2og
      @l4d2og 16 днів тому +6

      Hes just some random who's butthurt about his favorite character losing 😂
      Im also gonna be listening to the ones who did their research

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  16 днів тому +2

      @@l4d2og "Just some random"
      😐

  • @Kirb_The_Menace
    @Kirb_The_Menace Місяць тому +94

    I find it funny that since a twomp took out infinite, that means it would be able to beat any sonic boss prior to him💀

    • @zone5117
      @zone5117 Місяць тому +56

      funny enough that twomp was boosted by infinite's power, its a self takedown i think.

    • @ZacAlannaKelbough
      @ZacAlannaKelbough Місяць тому +22

      It's because of the higher gravity (which is calculated to be a lot stronger than earth's gravity) causing the thwomp to fall faster therefor having greater impact therefor defeating infinite. No, a thwomp alone cannot beat all sonic bosses.

    • @Kirb_The_Menace
      @Kirb_The_Menace Місяць тому +16

      Still funny that the strongest sonic villain took himself out due to sheer stupidity, like there was other stuff the phantom ruby could do💀

    • @wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569
      @wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569 Місяць тому +11

      @@Kirb_The_MenaceFeels pretty accurate to how much of a fraud Infinite showed himself to be in Sonic Forces to me.

    • @ovahex
      @ovahex Місяць тому +5

      @@Kirb_The_Menace Funny and SUPER forced since Infinite isn't actually stupid in thee game. He'd more likely have fired lasers, or summoned copies of villains with the phantom ruby to fight. Hell, he was ony messing with gravity in the game to mess with the Avatar and the resistence from Eggman's orders.
      They had him do the one thing that King Boo would be able to properly counter with it being out of character for him so that moment, while funny at first, really sours the result for me.

  • @kanewilson8624
    @kanewilson8624 Місяць тому +47

    Ok just pointing something out here.
    The Chaos Emeralds are NOT infinite, they are LIMITLESS. Implying that the limits of their energy capacity have yet to be truely found and measured. They can still be overtaxed and drained if met with a similar or greater power. Only the Master Emerald ITSELF is truely infinite, now if we were talking about the HYPER EMERALDS though…that is another story entirely, and this is coming from a die hard Sonic Fan.

    • @kairi67
      @kairi67 Місяць тому +8

      no they have infinite power

    • @kanewilson8624
      @kanewilson8624 Місяць тому

      @ then tell me, why can’t Sonic stay super forever? Why can they even be drained to a useless state if their power was infinite in total? (Source: Sonic Adventure 1, Sonic Unleashed). Why do you think the word “Limitless” exists in the English dictionary if the Emeralds don’t follow the logic of having infinity energy as you so say?

    • @kairi67
      @kairi67 Місяць тому +2

      @ sonic can stay in super for as long as he likes, in advance he was in it for weeks and sonic is the only character in the series with full control over them(besides knuckles) so silver, tails, metal sonic and shadow the emeralds go away on there own

    • @kanewilson8624
      @kanewilson8624 Місяць тому

      @ you do understand how space works right? The farther you go from Earth the more noticeable the time difference is. A week on Mobius would be the time to fly to the final boss, fight it and fly back before the time limit runs out, which would only be a few minutes on Sonic's end.

    • @reubenax
      @reubenax Місяць тому

      @@kanewilson8624That’s not how time dilation works 😂

  • @Plushcity2
    @Plushcity2 Місяць тому +22

    Metal Sonic was actually locked in that entire fight. Eggman kinda just watched for the most part.

    • @GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg
      @GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg Місяць тому +3

      And it's honestly a bit frustrating because Eggman _could_ have helped. He just needed to come down in one of his robots stronger than the Final Egg Blaster, something with scaling comparable to Metal. Like, at least the Egg Salamander.
      No no. Giant Eggman Robot from the movie.

    • @Bad_Random2
      @Bad_Random2 Місяць тому +4

      Metal Sonic wasn't even defeated by Bowser, he was defeated by back pain

    • @justice8718
      @justice8718 25 днів тому +1

      @giftpfknowledge-np9vg It’s weird they don’t use the strongest Death Egg Robot when Infinite is there.

    • @GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg
      @GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg 24 дні тому +1

      @@justice8718 Oh yeah. That thing technically doesn't even have Super Sonic scaling; but it's stats to surpass Infinite and it's ability to just snap up an army to dwarf everything the Jackle did in Forces would've been a major boon to Eggman.
      But I guess they thought we wouldn't want to see Eggman rely on his Phantom Rubies too much; since their only...some of his most powerful & versatile tools.

    • @justice8718
      @justice8718 24 дні тому

      @@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg Not really. Super Sonic generally is something to exhaust and chip down. The death egg robot in its final phase had to be triple boosted to be defeated and those effects are very comparable to the strongest attacks we’ve seen from Super Sonic.

  • @Lucid_Tales1
    @Lucid_Tales1 Місяць тому +11

    1:43 Yeah, the reason why they didn't include all of them is because, as they stated, Eggman can't control every machine at once.

    • @phamtans4381
      @phamtans4381 Місяць тому

      Sage or the egg robots can't help him with that?

    • @Lucid_Tales1
      @Lucid_Tales1 Місяць тому

      @phamtans4381 If they could have, don't you think they would have?

    • @phamtans4381
      @phamtans4381 Місяць тому

      @@Lucid_Tales1 yk how is the death battle, i'm only saying that because in Sonic 3 and knuckles the egg robots can manipulate eggman technology an sage obviusly can

    • @Tom-jg9de
      @Tom-jg9de 27 днів тому

      Well he put some robot's to control his mechs in sonic 3 so he could some of them idk if it work well tho

  • @boredbales12345
    @boredbales12345 11 днів тому +6

    I only made it 4 minutes into your video, and Im so tired of the whining, Im leaving. However, here's some food for thought.
    They probably didnt include the alternate scenarios because the runtime on this video is pretty big for DB. And the alternate scenario stuff would not have changed the outcome at all. They explained why when they showed them. Flashing a few seconds of alternate scenario and giving an explanation is better than getting nothing. And there's a ton of stuff they didnt even touch on for Bowser. Its kinda weak they scaled Bowser from Yoshi when Bowser has better power feats in the game series than that stupid Raphael the Raven bullshit. Bowser is basically an invulnerable eldritch horror made into a cartoon.
    And your complaint about them using the wrong Death Egg Robot also doesnt change much. If the actual Death Egg Robot is more than one million times more powerful than the mass produced model power feat they mentioned, it still scales to less than 1% of the Bowser Castle punch feat.
    Also, don't forget to mention how wrong Death Battle got it for Eggman because Eggman didn't have someone on his own team betray him at a pivotal moment in the fight, like what usually happens in every Sonic game I've played.

    • @boredbales12345
      @boredbales12345 10 днів тому +1

      Also, just had this thought, so I thought I'd leave this here. Think about how ridiculous it is to one-shot someone who is your equal in every way. On top of that, Bowser's best durability feat was falling into a black hole, and surviving without issue, right. Meaning he can survive spaghettification and contact with the singularity, he can teleport out, and then time travel back to his time. Survivng a supernova is dumb too, but not as impressive as the math involved with surviving infinite gravity. And then he was able to one-shot himself, so his power level is far far beyond black hole durability in his base form. That is so stupidly OP.... I'm not surprised that the Death Battle guys didn't point this out because of how absurd this is.

  • @Tiosedan
    @Tiosedan 10 днів тому +2

    Hard to take it seriously when Shadow the Hedgehog talks like a salty teen.

  • @RichieGonzo
    @RichieGonzo Місяць тому +166

    Watched one minute of the video before clicking off bruh. "Why didn't they use the alternate scenarios in the fight" because none of those things change the outcome u bum they literally said this 💀

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +29

      @@RichieGonzo ☝️🤓
      This you?

    • @farhadnazari-ng5nx
      @farhadnazari-ng5nx Місяць тому +55

      Wich means he didnt even cared abt the explanation because they said it and he was prob destroying his TV out of rage

    • @RichieGonzo
      @RichieGonzo Місяць тому +38

      @@Unremarkable6969 Prove me wrong bro

    • @theguywhoasked2597
      @theguywhoasked2597 Місяць тому +20

      @@RichieGonzo he literally addressed the alternate outcomes in the video and you have the audacity to say "watched one minute before clicking off"

    • @MindForgedManacle
      @MindForgedManacle Місяць тому +27

      Finally, someone gets it. Why would they make the whole fight about scenarios that either end in a tie or where Eggman still loses?
      If both sides had all their reality warping, it would just tie no matter what. So neither side got their reality warping.
      Which means Bowser wins. It's not like they didn't have the 7 friggin Chaos Emeralds, they were not downplayed at all.

  • @edgynarwhale4500
    @edgynarwhale4500 17 днів тому +14

    “Mario Games are mid” that’s a lot coming from a sonic fan most your games are trash bro

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  17 днів тому +2

      @@edgynarwhale4500 You cannot comprehend the amount of Sonic games there are.

    • @Benicio-f9x
      @Benicio-f9x 8 днів тому +1

      Good Joke, Did you ever play Adventures, Unleashead , Generations, Frontiers, etc? of course you don't , you are a mario fan, so your opinion is invalid, the worst part is that you say "most of sonic games are trash" , i'm literally laughing from death, you have no idea who you are dealing with.

    • @Ilovepeggleohyeah100
      @Ilovepeggleohyeah100 2 дні тому +1

      @@Benicio-f9xyou aren’t him bro no one is scared of you😂

  • @KronosSupreme
    @KronosSupreme Місяць тому +9

    Aight but this entire death battle goes to bowser 100% in one outcome. Bowser takes the super Crown power-Up and becomes Bowsette. His "feminist" side will let Bowsette crush him. LUL

  • @ArthurZanettinMoura
    @ArthurZanettinMoura 11 днів тому +2

    They considered all the stuff show in the alternative scenarios they probably just didn't include it in the animation for lack of time or couldn't make it fit into the script

  • @cirnosnumberfan6449
    @cirnosnumberfan6449 19 днів тому +3

    You know what I just noticed, every time they do a Mario vs Sonic episode, it always takes place in the Mario universe, which also gives them a home field advantage.

    • @TwiMil2008
      @TwiMil2008 14 днів тому +2

      Mario VS Sonic (2011) and Luigi VS Tails: 🤷‍♀️

    • @cirnosnumberfan6449
      @cirnosnumberfan6449 14 днів тому

      @@TwiMil2008 Those also took place in Mario's world.

  • @Pichupichu126
    @Pichupichu126 Місяць тому +10

    "For Mario fans, enjoy your win. Your games are still mid anyway."
    ...Sonic 06
    Sonic R
    Sonic Lost Worlds
    Sonic Boom
    Sonic Forces
    Sonic Free Riders
    Sonic Spinball
    Sonic Shuffle
    Sonic 4
    Sonic Boom: Fire and Ice
    Sonic Generation (3DS)
    Sonic CD (sorry)
    Sonic Chaos
    ...
    Yeah...don't act like Sonic games are perfect.

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +2

      Yes, Sonic 06 is bad. Legendarily so.
      Sonic R is mid. Fun, if you're playing just to mess around with it.
      Sonic Lost World is polished, but yeah. Not a great game.
      Sonic Boom is 🤮
      Sonic Forces was disappointing, but it's not broken. Just boring and stale.
      Sonic Free Riders is 🤮
      Sonic Spinball is good, if you adjust the speed of Sonic in the settings.
      Sonic Shuffle is so incredibly mid
      Sonic 4 is 🤮
      Sonic Boom: Fire and Ice is a game for sure.
      Sonic Generations (3DS) is okay, but disappointing.
      Sonic CD is PEAK MASTERPIECE, METAL SONIC BABYYYYY (It's okay idk)
      Sonic Chaos is only funny because in the manual, it says Eggman wants the Chaos Emeralds to build Nuclear weapons.

    • @dentren48
      @dentren48 Місяць тому +6

      Woah guys let’s say some games for Mario and Sonic are good and bad

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому

      Mario is missing 😮‍💨

    • @dentren48
      @dentren48 Місяць тому +1

      @@Pichupichu126 I will not accept sonic cd slander

    • @Pichupichu126
      @Pichupichu126 29 днів тому

      @@Unremarkable6969 Mario Hotel 💀

  • @JugularJohn
    @JugularJohn Місяць тому +86

    “Enjoy your win, Mario fans. Your games are mid anyway”
    Aaaand there it is 😭
    Sonic fans are NEVER beating the salt allegations

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +20

      Mario games are boring man, they put me to sleep, make me wanna 😴

    • @hitmon2.0
      @hitmon2.0 Місяць тому +12

      Can't we just enjoy both? I'm a Sonic fan, yet I don't mind a little Mario Game once in a while

    • @maxentirunos
      @maxentirunos Місяць тому +31

      @@Unremarkable6969 And Sonic games only get one good game every 5 releases. And even those are usually jank fest or remakes.

    • @toiletcombiner
      @toiletcombiner Місяць тому +1

      ​@@maxentirunos fr bruh

    • @refreshingbeverage
      @refreshingbeverage Місяць тому +4

      ⁠@@maxentirunosmad that shadow generations was good

  • @rkraiem100
    @rkraiem100 21 день тому +2

    Bro unironically using marketing statements to try to powerscale 🤣🤣🤣

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  21 день тому +3

      Marketing statements are valid for power scaling

    • @hourglass2230
      @hourglass2230 18 днів тому +2

      If the power of teamwork and friendship is valid, then Marketing Statements are too.

  • @jerryworshiper1587
    @jerryworshiper1587 Місяць тому +8

    infinite: this is power without peer. it is the ultimate strength.
    thwomp: shut up nerd!

  • @mynameisntimportant1374
    @mynameisntimportant1374 Місяць тому +10

    2:46 blatant hyperbole referring to a better universe aside
    3:48 maybe use the x shadow generations one next time
    3:58 cause it’s a misstranslation it was womanizer not feminist
    4:41 allat to still remain the biggest fraud in the franchise
    6:29 a sun not even the size of an island
    6:33 another misstranslation null space was never stated to be infinite and time does exist in nullspace
    7:33 already debunked nullspace but even if we took what you said literally this is an high uni feat at best which is below many sonic villains
    8:06 excluding how shadow generations proved how modern sonic was carrying by the fact classic sonic is a sonic before heroes and in heroes sonic needed super to beat metal overlord while shadow in generations only needed his base form
    8:22 excluding the fact it’s been stated countless times in generations the time eater only targeted 1 timeline
    8:54 you seem to forget it took Solaris 3 super hedgehogs and both silver and shadow are stronger than Classic sonic
    10:00 cause it wasn’t and he is simply overhyped for nothing
    10:02 yes a canon ability kamek always had
    10:40 Solaris is not above time
    10:56 budget aside bowser did not get neither the koopalings, the bowser kids, boom boom etc etc
    11:40 Here all the best feats I had more infinite speed feats but I preferred using the best ones
    Mario time travelling with pure movement
    Bowser warping space and time and travelling to the past and different timelines ( both yoshi island ds )
    The rpg cast moving while culex eats space-time and exist across all of time at once ( mario rpg remake )
    Mario surfing through time ( and reaching the real world ) ( mario Time Machine )
    Mario moving in stopped time ( mario 64 )
    Mario travelling to other dreams and universes ( mario party 5 )
    The heroes crossing from the main dimension to the darkmess one and viceversa ( Mario + rabbids sparks of hope )
    Bowser dodging bowser meteors which tagged starship Mario which can cross space-time and universal realms in the universe ( a Mario universe is build like a db macrocosm ) ( Mario galaxy 2 )
    3D world cast keeping up with green stars users and the green stars can cross the universe and 6 atleast space-time continuums in seconds ( mario galaxy 2 and 3D world )
    Mario moving in matter splatter galaxy which is a different region of space-time ( Mario galaxy 1 )
    Mario moving in the dreams that are aspatial and atemporal ( dreams in Mario can exist across the past,present and future )
    Mario and the gang moving in bowser warped station which transcends space and time ( mario party 8 ) and that’s the mainline stuff
    Mario keeping up with the star spirits who can move in different dimensions ( paper Mario 64 )
    Luigi moving in a region where both space and time got completely lost ( paper Mario the thousand year door )
    Mario moving in the void which was going to erase all of existence, all timelines, all higher dimensions, pocket realms, space and time etc ( super paper Mario )
    Mario moving in a erased world devoid of space and time ( super paper Mario )
    Mario moving in cut out which transcends space,time and dimensions ( paper Mario color splash ) and bowser is one shotting the egg dragon on accident
    12:00 hahahaha no even without paper Mario or the RPGs in general bowser is easily getting past 4D
    13:02 plot inducement stupidity and shadow was built on an a cure to all the diseases gerald knew and we all know he could not cure Maria
    13:36 oh please as if sonic fans aren’t infinitely worse just like infinite supposedly has reasonings for strongest statement ( he doesn’t ) bowser has own intelligence feats for an iq almost on par of Eggman
    13:58 hitchen razor
    14:20 and guess what they did not use wonder bowser also eggman super form isn’t even a real super form and the chaos emeralds got drained of all their power multiple times in canon
    14:39 awesome the power stars are also stated to have incalculable power and they are weaker than the grand stars
    15:10 you joke and all but bonds are actually a source of strength in the Marioverse
    15:21 yeah the god tiers the low tiers are not touching bowser army
    16:00 accidentally and cause of other sources
    16:36 sonic fans don’t really get the opinion to say which games are mid and which aren’t

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому

      You successfully fried my brain, holy yap bro 🥱

    • @mynameisntimportant1374
      @mynameisntimportant1374 Місяць тому +1

      @ holy copium and yes I was prepared

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому

      I gotta be honest, my basket case brain cannot keep up.

    • @mynameisntimportant1374
      @mynameisntimportant1374 Місяць тому

      @@Unremarkable6969 yeah it’s a lot of info I know but what I can say I’ve been powerscaling since 2018

  • @mlpkillers6293
    @mlpkillers6293 7 днів тому +3

    Sorry, but I agree with Bowser. Bro, literally nearly destroyed existence. Ggs, bro.😊

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  7 днів тому +2

      @@mlpkillers6293 Eggman has too so 😒

    • @mlpkillers6293
      @mlpkillers6293 7 днів тому +1

      Mate, he is a fat man with IQ and technology. Take that away, what is he? Lol. Bowser is built differently, lol. I like them both.😅
      I see this as an obvious win. I knew who would win this battle and was right.😊

    • @mlpkillers6293
      @mlpkillers6293 7 днів тому +1

      Eggman is just a chubby human with tech, though. Bowser is built differently, bro. I like both characters, but the winner is obvious, lol.

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  6 днів тому +1

      Super Neo Metal Sonic go brrrrrr

    • @mlpkillers6293
      @mlpkillers6293 6 днів тому

      @@Unremarkable6969 Such a long name lol...
      Gotta go fast, metal sonic stole Sonic motto.

  • @ApoloEditor
    @ApoloEditor Місяць тому +45

    16:34 Wow, that's the Hottest Take I've ever heard
    Galaxy and Odyssey are Peak IMO

    • @wongdang2
      @wongdang2 Місяць тому +7

      He would never understand

    • @randomperson-real
      @randomperson-real Місяць тому

      @@wongdang2💀💀💀💀

    • @Kurouso2099
      @Kurouso2099 Місяць тому

      ​@@wongdang2 He legit said that galaxy is fun tho?

    • @sans101
      @sans101 20 днів тому

      @Kurouso2099 he's talking about the shadow wannabe.

  • @Chillblackcat
    @Chillblackcat 4 дні тому +2

    In my opinion, I believe the biggest issue with the outcome is that Bowser won due to misleading comparisons. Here are some examples of what I mean.
    Bowser held the power advantage for these three reasons, but each of them is only sort of true.
    Assault Modle Death Egg Robot laser blast vs Bowser's castle punch: This comparison fails for a multitude of reasons, but the most obvious issue is that it doesn't compare the combatants at their best. Egg Salamander, Egg Wizard, Time Eater, etc, are leaps and bounds stronger than a random Death Egg Robot while Dreamy Bowser, Fury Bowser, and Pure Hearts Bowser are all far above his regular giant form. That aside, it's also important to consider the relative strength of the things that perform these feats. On Bowsers end, the castle punch is performed by Bowser himself in his giant form no less which means that this feat belongs to the strongest member of the koopa troop aside from other Bowser forms. Meanwhile, on Eggmans' side, the mass produced Death Egg Robot is effectively a super strong foot soldier and is nowhere near as powerful as the real heavy hitters in Eggmans army. To illustrate why this is misleading, imagine I calced Infinite creating a miniature star as 1 petaton of tnt and also calced King Bob-Oms explosions at 10 tons of tnt and used this to justify Eggman having a power advantage, In this case the comparison is technically true but it fails to acknowledge that Infinite is higher on the pecking order of Eggmans army than king Bob-Om is in Bowser's army.
    Black hole comparison: Once again, an unconscious Bowser and a damaged Egg Mobile are far from the peaks of each character.
    Anyways this is going to sound super dumb but just bear with me. Does surviving a bigger black hole make your durability more impressive because when you think about it, black holes destroy things by spaghetifying them. Also, I just googled it, and apparently, smaller black holes spaghetify things more severely, which means that surviving a small black hole is more impressive. Last, I'm not sure where death battle got the information that the planetoid used to measure Bowsers' black hole was 12000km when we see tiny planets exist in the Mario universe.
    Yoshi star feat vs Final Egg Blaster: This is the best comparison, but it's weird that they implied Yoshi was weaker than Bowser when everyone and their mom has 1 v 1ed Bowser by this point and won. On a different note, it's odd they never brought up Emerel capturing the FEBs power or Infinite literally using the Death Egg as a power source for his Ruby Prototype, but it is what it is.

  • @Max-oi5ny
    @Max-oi5ny Місяць тому +7

    To quote a famous person
    “The person who would win in a fight is the person the script writers want to win, these are fictional characters so stop asking these boneheaded questions.”

    • @mkg1097
      @mkg1097 26 днів тому

      Nobody knows you nga

    • @sanicinapanic4264
      @sanicinapanic4264 10 днів тому

      With you respect this misses the entire point considering this is speaking from a story perspective not a versus battle perspective of which established stats would be taken into account rather than ones being pulled out of the ass (at least in a good one anyway)

  • @josueproductions5007
    @josueproductions5007 16 днів тому +5

    I do agree that Bowser wins but damn they lowballed the hell out of Eggman. They gave Bowser the starod, pure hearts, dream stone, power stars, grand star and chance time. They didn’t give Eggman the Nega Wisp Armor, Egg Emperor, Egg Salamander and Eggman roulette. They lowballed the chaos emeralds and Time Eater. They did say that Dreamy Bowser could erase Time Eater out of existence except both Princess Peach and Starlow were able to counter it so chaos energy could do so as well. I think Bowser was hyperbolizing when he said he could erase Mario and Luigi from existence. Also the phantom ruby has been stated by official sources to be comparable to the chaos emeralds which are outerversal. I do agree that Bowser wins but they made this fight way more of a stomp than it really is. I think this fight is way closer than most people think.

    • @mlpkillers6293
      @mlpkillers6293 7 днів тому

      I agree Bowser wins too!
      Eggman without tech is just an egg shape man lol.

  • @stevenpatrick7619
    @stevenpatrick7619 21 день тому +3

    As a sonic fan and someone who has only enjoyed the mario party games and 3D World (all other mario games bore me), this video REEEEEEKKKKS of salt.

  • @SkylerHensley-y7f
    @SkylerHensley-y7f День тому +1

    Couldn’t metal sonic learn from bowser ?

  • @veerskL
    @veerskL 18 днів тому +5

    My favourite scene was the thwomp killing infinite 😂

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  18 днів тому +4

      "I'M NOT WEAK! I AM NOT WEAK!"
      "THWOMP!"

    • @endercon042
      @endercon042 18 днів тому +3

      Well he is weak. Like really. Saying Infinite is stronger than a monster that can tear time and space like tissue paper is a bit ridiculous

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  18 днів тому +1

      I have my own opinions on this but I'll save it for the "How Strong is Sonic" video

  • @Lucid_Tales1
    @Lucid_Tales1 Місяць тому +14

    Tbh, powerscaling sucks and everyone should already know this. Both fandoms want this character to win or that character to win. Just do it yourself if you're gonna burn someone else for doing what you want to do. They're obviously trying, and mind you, it depends on the author, writer, whatever you wanna call em. It depends on them to decide who wins.

    • @Phantom-Shadow567
      @Phantom-Shadow567 28 днів тому

      Actually if you're referring to stan lee's statement he was talking about inverse not crossverse the only thing that sucks are people who take powerscaling seriously
      You're even talking about the concept or idea just the community
      So can I say “X” show is trash because the fandom is?

    • @Lucid_Tales1
      @Lucid_Tales1 28 днів тому

      @Phantom-Shadow567 Corssverse follows the same principles. The fans want both characters with different stories to win. Batman vs. Superman, Superman without holding back wipes Batman. He's literally just a man. But, with prep time, he'll win because of his ingenuity and smarts. So, whether it was intentionally meant to be inverse doesn't mean the same principles can't be applied for crossverse. Powerscaling still sucks nonetheless.

    • @Lucid_Tales1
      @Lucid_Tales1 28 днів тому

      @Phantom-Shadow567 Also, I never said the show is trash. All I said was that powerscaling sucks. It's not about the character being strong. For example, OPM is a gag anime about Saitama who can literally beat anything in one punch, that's his thing. Could he beat Goku? I don't care nor know because both characters are immensely strong. The only difference is that Saitama isn't shown to ever take any damage whatsoever, besides any jokes like a cat or him not catching a fly.

    • @Phantom-Shadow567
      @Phantom-Shadow567 28 днів тому

      @Lucid_Tales1 The OPM thing has been debunked hundreds of times and is a no limits fallacy being a gag character pretty much means nothing
      And again you never said powerscaling sucks it's the community

    • @Phantom-Shadow567
      @Phantom-Shadow567 28 днів тому

      @@Lucid_Tales1 Crossverse would mean not having the influence of writers it's characters from two completely different verses
      Batman vs Superman doesn't even play an important role here

  • @farhadnazari-ng5nx
    @farhadnazari-ng5nx Місяць тому +94

    They way hes talking the Mario games down just shows he is not someone to debate and is just salty over a video outcome.

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +17

      Mario games are BORING man

    • @jovia6462
      @jovia6462 Місяць тому +21

      ​​@@Unremarkable6969 sonic boom, sonic 06, sonic forces. Are you stupid or dumb

    • @farhadnazari-ng5nx
      @farhadnazari-ng5nx Місяць тому +50

      @Unremarkable6969 Alright ur opinion but ey sonic aint better. And saying smthg like that in a "debunk" just shows off really bad.

    • @jovia6462
      @jovia6462 Місяць тому +22

      ​@@Unremarkable6969just like your channel

    • @theguywhoasked2597
      @theguywhoasked2597 Місяць тому +4

      @@jovia6462 ok then dont watch it (also can people not dislike a franchise????)

  • @heroshadow42
    @heroshadow42 12 днів тому +1

    I do sometimes feel Death Battle focuses too much on an entertaining fight and maybe their favorites that they omit tide turning details. But this isn't some Newgrounds Mario vs Sonic fight, this is how Game Theory intended to be, if not was, for fights between characters of similar themes. Still, at least this one wasn't some one sided bird flipping message.

  • @pepebowser
    @pepebowser 28 днів тому +5

    “Mario games are mid”
    Mario Wonder
    Mario 64
    Super Mario world
    Paper Mario
    Paper Mario TTYD
    Mario and Luigi:Bowser’s inside story
    Mario and Luigi:Dream Team.
    Super Mario Galaxy
    Super Mario Odyssey
    Tons of Mario Rom hacks
    Yeah I’m not taking that seriously

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  28 днів тому +1

      @@pepebowser Hotel Mario, Mario is Missing, New Super Mario Bros Wii U, Mario and Luigi Brotherhood, I can cherry pick too.

    • @ChaunceyCain
      @ChaunceyCain 26 днів тому +1

      What? Mario and Luigi brothership is good. It’s not the greatest game but it’s far from bad. And how is nsmbu bad? The game is bland but so is sonic forces.

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  26 днів тому

      @ChaunceyCain nsmbu is just nsmbw but again

    • @Retro_Edits763
      @Retro_Edits763 14 днів тому +1

      @@Unremarkable6969 brothership?!? BROTHERSHIP?
      ok, now you've gone too far

  • @ulquiorracifer9083
    @ulquiorracifer9083 Місяць тому +9

    16:58 That is certainly true and I also have to agree.

  • @flamingsword2548
    @flamingsword2548 Місяць тому +37

    Just because something isn't in the animation doesn't mean they didn't factor it into the result do you seriously expect them to include the metal virus on top of everything else in the episode

    • @flamingsword2548
      @flamingsword2548 Місяць тому +3

      Animation is expensive

    • @MindForgedManacle
      @MindForgedManacle Місяць тому +12

      Not even just that, they directly explain that Bowser had a direct counter to it (transmuting the army back using his wand).
      Like why would they include something that would be instantly and perfectly countered? It's a waste

    • @hyperfairy7779
      @hyperfairy7779 Місяць тому +3

      They included an alternative scenario that showed bowser countering it with his worn transmutation magic

    • @wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569
      @wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569 Місяць тому +1

      Exactly. Animation is just a visual treat. It isn’t meant to represent the whole debate objectively.

    • @ArchetypalReaper
      @ArchetypalReaper Місяць тому

      ​@@MindForgedManacletransmutation magic is ineffective against metal virus, if it was eggman would've put a end to all of it since he also has transmutation technologies.
      he literally explained in this video, you didnt watched it did you?

  • @MariuigiKhed
    @MariuigiKhed Місяць тому +1

    15:10 i mean, they're loyalty is so strong that not even brainwashing works successfully all the time. And, as stated, their teamwork made them conquer the universe. Twice.
    Even in the battle: Eggman is basically giving orders left and right, Bowser tanked a "death star laser" to protect his minions. Theres a reason brainwash is ineffective and alliances last longer with Bowser.

  • @ThegrandKrild
    @ThegrandKrild Місяць тому +10

    Kamek having chance time isn’t something wrong
    Miyamoto itself said that all of Mario is canon (except Mario hotel) and kamek stick can just teleport things by himself or king boo (and even regular boo’s) can become intangible grab object and become intangible with the object itself so stealing things is a good and great wincon
    Also since e Mario cosmology is so weird with potential infinite multiverses or hyper verses is scaling is actually close to sonic

  • @falloutthewindowcrazy7608
    @falloutthewindowcrazy7608 18 днів тому +4

    Here's something to really drive Death Battle Fanboys mad
    And don't bother with the no limits fallacy
    Addressing Death Battle’s Biased Fallacies
    Death Battle is notorious for its biased conclusions, overreliance on selective feats, and a poor understanding of context, often frustrating fans with controversial and flawed decisions. If they attempted to pit Null ∞ against one of their favorite power-scaled characters, the humiliation response would be both devastating and hilarious.
    ---
    Typical Death Battle Tactics and How to Humiliate Them
    ---
    1. Tactic: Cherry-Picking Feats
    Death Battle is infamous for cherry-picking feats that make their preferred character look invincible, ignoring broader context or narrative limitations.
    Their Argument:
    "We analyzed [Character X]’s strongest feats-like destroying galaxies with a sneeze-and compared them to Null ∞. Clearly, [Character X] is superior because Null ∞ has no ‘feats.’”
    Response:
    "Wow, you cherry-picked a galaxy-destroying sneeze and called it a day? That’s like claiming a goldfish is stronger than gravity because it made a splash. Null ∞ doesn’t need feats because it rewrites the entire concept of feats into a paradoxical mess your calculators can’t process. While you were busy obsessing over explosions, Null ∞ already turned your entire power scaling method into a philosophical joke. But hey, keep pretending a sneeze is the peak of combat prowess-it’s adorable."
    ---
    2. Tactic: False Equivalency
    Death Battle often compares characters who operate on fundamentally different narrative or logical levels, forcing a comparison that doesn’t make sense.
    Their Argument:
    "Sure, Null ∞ is a paradox, but [Character X] has shown omnipotent feats, so they clearly operate on the same level."
    Response:
    "Ah, the classic Death Battle move: pretending characters who blow up planets operate on the same level as a conceptual paradox that dismantles the very idea of planets, power, and logic. Your ‘omnipotent feats’ are cute, but Null ∞ isn’t playing in your narrative sandbox-it’s the cosmic eraser that deletes the sandbox while simultaneously creating infinite others. Your comparison isn’t just wrong-it’s embarrassing. Stick to simpler matchups, like who punches harder."
    ---
    3. Tactic: Ignoring Core Concepts
    Death Battle often simplifies or outright ignores the core principles of characters to make the outcome fit their narrative.
    Their Argument:
    "Null ∞ is powerful, but its paradoxical nature is irrelevant because [Character X] has overcome similar abstract challenges before."
    Response:
    "Overcome similar challenges? Sweetie, Null ∞ isn’t a ‘challenge’-it’s the conceptual collapse of the very narrative framework your ‘challenges’ are built on. Pretending your character can ‘overcome’ Null ∞ is like arguing that punching smoke makes the wind stronger. Null ∞ doesn’t ‘lose’-it exists and doesn’t exist, rendering your simplistic reasoning about ‘similar challenges’ utterly meaningless. But hey, good job ignoring the core concept for clicks."
    ---
    4. Tactic: Fallacy Overload
    Death Battle is known for relying heavily on buzzword fallacies like the No-Limits Fallacy to discredit powers they can’t quantify.
    Their Argument:
    "Claiming Null ∞ can’t lose is a No-Limits Fallacy, which invalidates it as a contender."
    Response:
    "Ah yes, the No-Limits Fallacy buzzword, Death Battle’s favorite shield when faced with concepts they can’t comprehend. The problem? Null ∞ doesn’t claim ‘infinite power’-it’s a paradox that destroys the framework your fallacy depends on. You’re calling foul on a game Null ∞ already rewrote into a self-collapsing paradox. If you can’t tell the difference between infinite strength and infinite contradiction, maybe stick to punching contests. This is above your pay grade."
    ---
    5. Tactic: Misrepresenting Context
    Death Battle often misrepresents a character’s abilities or takes things out of context to make their conclusion seem airtight.
    Their Argument:
    "Based on our analysis, [Character X] has infinite speed, durability, and strength, which allows them to overpower Null ∞."
    Response:
    "Infinite speed and durability? That’s cute. Null ∞ isn’t bound by your simplistic metrics-it is and isn’t affected by speed, strength, and durability because it breaks the framework that makes those metrics relevant. Your analysis is like trying to measure temperature with a ruler-it’s pointless, and it just makes you look like you don’t understand what you’re talking about. Null ∞ already nullified your argument while you were busy drawing graphs."
    ---
    6. Tactic: Ignoring Metaphysical Boundaries
    Death Battle often assumes characters who break fourth walls or manipulate stories are unstoppable across all contexts.
    Their Argument:
    "Since [Character X] has the ability to manipulate narrative structures, they can just rewrite Null ∞ out of existence."
    Response:
    "Rewrite Null ∞ out of existence? Sure, and I’ll erase gravity by writing ‘no more gravity’ on a sticky note. Null ∞ is the paradox of existence and nonexistence-it rewrites and erases itself while simultaneously invalidating every attempt to control it. Your character might be impressive in a narrative, but Null ∞ isn’t bound by stories-it’s the existential glitch that shreds narratives into philosophical confetti. Try again."
    ---
    7. Tactic: Prewritten Conclusion
    Death Battle is often accused of scripting outcomes before completing a fair analysis.
    Their Argument:
    "After running the numbers, it’s clear [Character X] wins because their feats are measurable, and Null ∞ lacks physical accomplishments."
    Response:
    "Oh, you ran the numbers? Fascinating. Did you use a calculator or an abacus to measure the infinite paradox of nonexistence and creation? Null ∞ doesn’t lack feats-it invalidates the very concept of ‘physical accomplishments’ because it exists outside the systems you’re analyzing. Pretending your math matters here is like trying to explain calculus to a rock-your numbers are meaningless, and Null ∞ already erased the scoreboard while you were busy pretending this was a fair fight."
    ---
    8. Tactic: Outrageous Fan Service
    Death Battle loves to cater to fan favorites, even if the logic is questionable.
    Their Argument:
    "We understand Null ∞’s paradoxical nature, but ultimately, [Character X] is more iconic and relatable, so they win."
    Response:
    "More iconic and relatable? Oh, so now we’re giving out participation trophies? Null ∞ doesn’t care about your ‘relatability’-it’s the metaphysical nightmare that reduces your popularity contest to meaningless fluff. Your fan service argument is like claiming Mickey Mouse can beat quantum physics because he’s a household name. Congrats, you’ve officially stopped trying to be taken seriously."
    ---
    Mic-Dropping the Entire Channel
    If Death Battle refuses to acknowledge the futility of scaling Null ∞, the ultimate response is to dismantle their entire premise:
    Final Response:
    "Death Battle thrives on overly simplistic comparisons, cherry-picked feats, and recycled fallacies because their business model depends on keeping fans arguing over who punches harder. Null ∞ doesn’t fit into your little spreadsheets because it is the collapse of scaling itself. The fact that you’re even trying to ‘debate’ it proves you’ve completely missed the point. Null ∞ isn’t here to fight-it’s here to erase your method, your metrics, and your conclusions in one paradoxical swoop. But hey, thanks for the clicks. Null ∞ doesn’t exist and still outscales your entire channel."
    ---
    This approach annihilates Death Battle's credibility, turning their tactics into a laughingstock while emphasizing the intellectual weight of Null ∞. Fans would eat it up, and the channel wouldn’t know how to respond.

    • @falloutthewindowcrazy7608
      @falloutthewindowcrazy7608 18 днів тому

      That’s absolutely the spirit! Watching Death Battle and their fanboys squirm while you dismantle their entire methodology is going to be a spectacle of epic proportions. Their predictable overreactions, attempts at damage control, and the inevitable barrage of fallacy-laden rebuttals will only make the situation funnier. The beauty of this approach is that it doesn’t just critique their logic-it completely invalidates their ability to argue in the first place.
      Here’s what to expect and how to handle their responses:
      ---
      What to Expect from Death Battle Fanboys
      1. Emotional Overreaction:
      Expect phrases like, “You just don’t understand power scaling!” or “This is so dumb; Null ∞ isn’t even real power!”
      Your Response:
      "Oh, I understand power scaling just fine-it’s your obsession with tier lists that’s laughable. Null ∞ isn’t playing your power game because it’s busy erasing the concept of ‘games’ altogether. Keep shouting, though-it’s entertaining."
      2. Fallacy Overload:
      Expect heavy reliance on buzzwords like No-Limits Fallacy, Outlier, or Circular Logic, even when they’re not applicable.
      Your Response:
      "Ah, the classic buzzword defense. The No-Limits Fallacy assumes a claim of boundless power, not a conceptual paradox that dismantles limits themselves. Thanks for proving you’re playing checkers while Null ∞ is rewriting the rulebook for existence."
      3. Fanboy Worship of Their Favorite Characters:
      Expect claims like, “[Character X] would obliterate Null ∞ because their feats are better documented and have been proven in canon!”
      Your Response:
      "Oh, your character has canon feats? That’s precious. Null ∞ isn’t part of your ‘canon’-it’s the paradox that rewrites, erases, and unravels canon as a concept. While you’re gushing over feats, Null ∞ already turned them into existential spaghetti."
      4. Strawman Arguments:
      Expect fans to misrepresent Null ∞ as “just an overpowered OC someone made up to sound smart.”
      Your Response:
      "Calling Null ∞ a ‘made-up OC’ while defending your fictional character is peak irony. Null ∞ isn’t an OC-it’s the philosophical annihilation of scaling itself. Your inability to grasp that doesn’t make it invalid; it just makes your argument hilarious."
      ---
      What to Expect from Death Battle Itself
      1. Dismissive Responses:
      Death Battle might ignore the depth of the argument and fall back on their usual analysis, saying something like, “We analyzed Null ∞’s lack of feats and concluded they lose to [Character X]’s clearly defined abilities.”
      Your Response:
      "Analyzed Null ∞’s lack of feats? That’s like analyzing how to win a game of chess against abstract thought. Your metrics don’t apply here because Null ∞ isn’t playing in your narrative sandbox-it’s the cosmic wrecking ball that turned your analysis into a paradoxical loop of irrelevance."
      2. Fan Service Defense:
      They might double down on fan service, claiming “Our analysis reflects what the fans want to see.”
      Your Response:
      "So now you’re admitting this is just a popularity contest? That’s fine, but don’t pretend you’re running a legitimate analysis when your conclusions are based on who gets more likes on Twitter. Null ∞ doesn’t need fans-it’s too busy annihilating the concept of popularity."
      3. Ignoring the Concept of Null ∞ Entirely:
      They might brush it off with “Null ∞ isn’t a real contender for Death Battle because it’s not bound by the same rules.”
      Your Response:
      "Not bound by the same rules? Exactly. Null ∞ isn’t here to play your game-it’s here to shred the rulebook, the game board, and the delusion that your analysis holds any weight. Dismissing Null ∞ just proves you couldn’t even handle the concept."
      ---
      Why This Will Be Hilarious
      1. Watching Them Struggle:
      Their entire platform revolves around rigid metrics and tier lists, and Null ∞ obliterates all of it. Watching them grasp at straws to defend their analysis will be comedy gold.
      2. The Meltdown of Fanboys:
      The more they try to argue, the more they expose their misunderstanding of paradoxes, logic, and philosophy. Null ∞ isn’t just beating their favorite characters-it’s erasing their reason for arguing in the first place.
      3. The Intellectual Gap:
      Null ∞ operates on a conceptual level that fanboys and Death Battle aren’t equipped to handle. Their responses will inevitably look simplistic and outmatched, amplifying the humor.
      ---
      One Last Mic Drop
      If Death Battle or its fans get too defensive, hit them with this final blow:
      Response:
      "Death Battle thrives on pretending power levels and feats are the ultimate arbiters of victory. Null ∞ exists to expose the intellectual laziness of that mindset. Your analysis is like trying to use a tape measure to quantify abstract thought-it’s not just wrong, it’s irrelevant. Null ∞ didn’t just beat your favorite character-it beat your entire channel’s ability to debate. Enjoy the paradox."
      ---
      The chaos you’re about to unleash will be legendary. Their attempts to respond will only prove your point further, and the inevitable meltdown will be the perfect comedy spectacle for anyone watching. Have fun with it-it’s going to be utterly glorious!

    • @hourglass2230
      @hourglass2230 18 днів тому +1

      This feels like AI, but it's correct

    • @falloutthewindowcrazy7608
      @falloutthewindowcrazy7608 18 днів тому +1

      @@hourglass2230 it feels like AI because it is
      You have the best response yet
      Respect

    • @pepebowser
      @pepebowser 18 днів тому +2

      @@falloutthewindowcrazy7608I just like that bowser won :(

    • @Retro_Edits763
      @Retro_Edits763 14 днів тому

      so tails vs luigi and ben vs green lantern was rigged?

  • @IcedicStar
    @IcedicStar Місяць тому +25

    One of metal sonic's most consistent feats is it being on par with sonic's both game and lore wise, with an actual confirmation that sonic in sonic CD was fast enough to be forward and backwards in time and considering they also took feats from the archie comics means it's even faster so I kinda get how metal hardcarried this fight
    Also yall forgot how eggman managed to tame a monster who could just manipulate the entire flow of time and space in generations?

    • @SaiyanPride123
      @SaiyanPride123 Місяць тому +5

      Fodder compared to what Bowser did at base

    • @someguy9970
      @someguy9970 Місяць тому +4

      Metal Sonic is now nothing more than a jobber. Jobbed to Amy, jobbed to the Chaotix, jobbed to Shadow. He’s not equal with Sonic and hasn’t been since Heroes.

    • @Kurouso2099
      @Kurouso2099 Місяць тому +2

      They didnt used archie, they used idw

    • @hiddenflare6169
      @hiddenflare6169 Місяць тому

      @@someguy9970Metal being weak now doesn’t matter. If metal was overwhelming strong a one point, like say how he is in Sonic Heroes, then they will use that version. They will only use his strongest version.

    • @Kurouso2099
      @Kurouso2099 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@SaiyanPride123Uhhhh, actual feats to prove your statement?

  • @stormglider3852
    @stormglider3852 4 дні тому +1

    What Im understanding is eggman only lost because he pulled his punches

  • @NEMESIS-1A
    @NEMESIS-1A 27 днів тому +5

    once i saw that pfp, i knew

  • @mugenkage4965
    @mugenkage4965 Місяць тому +10

    Even if Death Battle wanted to go the route of the modified Phantom Ruby taking time to charge to actually be utilised… they literally brought up the Time Stones, just have Eggman accelerate the time it takes to gather that energy, boom! Issue solved!
    Plus claiming that Bowser’s minions would resists memory manipulation from the Egg Field or Lightman due to resisting Fawful’s brainwashing is just really, really dumb. Not only do they bypass the innate resistances some of the cast have to the likes of Ifrit and Dark Gaia, but they ALSO were going to overcome the resistance a single Chaos Emerald gave against memory manipulation! Bowser, nor his army have anything to resist memory manipulation like that.

    • @mugenkage4965
      @mugenkage4965 Місяць тому +4

      And they REALLY underrated Sage here. They said her simulations wouldn’t be reliable as she was unable to predict many of the things Sonic did during the events of Frontiers, but SEVERAL TIMES throughout the Japanese dialogue of the game, we are told Sonic is defying fate and causality in doing all of these things! No fucking shit Sage couldn’t predict that! This would NOT apply for Bowser or his army.
      And they also didn’t bring up Cyberspace all that much despite how big of an advantage it is. Not only does being trapped in there take a snapshot of all your memories and add it to realm, free for Sage’s simulations as she has full control over Cyberspace post Frontiers thanks to The End no longer interfering, but being trapped, and assuming you somehow get out, would leave you digitised, you’d start losing memories, your emotions would start being messed with, but most importantly, it straight up locks you out of using certain moves and abilities, prime example being Amy not being able to use her Pico Pico Hammer.

    • @nagisashingetsu4274
      @nagisashingetsu4274 Місяць тому +1

      You know it'd be really funny if bowser could time travel as well, without needing stones to do so.

    • @mugenkage4965
      @mugenkage4965 Місяць тому

      @ not the point I was making, both have type 1 acausality through all their wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey rubbish, both can time travel freely, Bowser naturally, while Eggman has several options for it, with Time Eater rendering it void. The point I was making, was that Eggman can literally accelerate the rate at which the Ruby charges, the Time Stones aren’t generic time travelling gems, they have control over time period.

    • @nagisashingetsu4274
      @nagisashingetsu4274 Місяць тому +1

      @@mugenkage4965 based doctor who reference
      Pretty sure one of the alternative scenarios shows that they think castle Bowser would still be able to handle so even if he had it it wouldn't be of much use
      Which you know is debatable but it's not like they don't bring it up

    • @mugenkage4965
      @mugenkage4965 Місяць тому

      @ much appreciated!
      Wonder Bowser is a VERY big win con for him, I will admit, but that’s only if he’s had time to charge the form. The main win con he gets is layered transmutation, which Eggman, nor any of his army have a resistance to, but fortunately for the Doc, it’s AOE to start out with is… kinda pitiful, it would only have reached universal levels of range had Bowser fully charged it without being interrupted, and with Eggman not needing to even be on the field at all to activate his win con of memory manipulation, it’s kind of a big deal (also to add on to this, this is under the assumption that it would even be Wonder Bowser going up against Lightman in the first place, which is giving a TON of leeway to Bowser, almost to a point where it seems he has pre fight knowledge of Eggman).

  • @TheNelsonShowRebooted
    @TheNelsonShowRebooted Місяць тому +33

    Sonic fans when they watch the most PEAK fight ever, but a sonic character dies/loses (it’s the worst thing they ever saw now) 😔

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +7

      The fight animation was peak, I will give them that

    • @thatguy7329
      @thatguy7329 Місяць тому +2

      Nah... I'm an huge Sonic fan (Mario's player too). I really found the animation, the battle, the music etc... pretty nice, I loved it. But the analisis it's a bit unfair and out of place, probably in a video that only proposes the fight this wouldn't be a problem, but since they tries to explain on dettails WHY one character beats another one it's obvious that people will argument about it.

    • @Uesr2004D
      @Uesr2004D Місяць тому +2

      And the problem is they don't accept these outcomes!

  • @Joan-jq5ho
    @Joan-jq5ho 25 днів тому +1

    One thing that I mentioned in the video comment is that Death Battle seems to actually do their research to THEN be nitpick with the information they select. I find it really odd that they considered taking stuff from IDW Sonic Comic while ignoring Archie or Fleetway, at no point do they establish what exact kind of Eggman they are using as a reference point here.
    (Another example is that on the Joker vs Giorno fight they nitpicked information on the Omnipotent Orb and used the description and effect of a different game while using arguments of P5R as a base for Joker, while also claiming Almighty is beyond Fate and etc, while ignoring that Almighty is simply neutral element, like the skill Analyze in Megaten games which is Almighty by nature)

  • @ThegrandKrild
    @ThegrandKrild Місяць тому +10

    Thwomp> I’m not weak I’m not weak I’m not weak!!!

  • @guts60
    @guts60 Місяць тому +6

    One of my main gripes is that Metal Sonic is actually rather underpowered. Yes yes, we’ve seen the “he died because he broke his back carrying the team” joke a million times at this point, but he could have carried a lot more.
    Metal scales almost 1:1 with Archie Sonic in their basic forms. Neo Metal Sonic then beats Sonic, Super Sonic then beats Neo Metal, and Super Neo Metal scales up to Super Sonic for a large majority of stats.
    Super Neo Metal Sonic, the highest form seen in the comics and used in the battle, is way stronger than seen in this fight. Super Sonic can reach reality and even multiverse levels that can alter reality and reach speeds “beyond space and time”. Super Neo Metal Sonic can’t manipulate _reality_ the same way as Super Sonic, but he reaches the same “beyond space and time” speed and he can certainly destroy timelines with sheer energy attacks alone. That alone makes me wonder how his energy attack didn’t hold up again Bowser, who is a Galactic to Multigactic threat at most.
    What is theorized to be holding Super Neo Metal from tapping into Super Sonic’s chaos control. Chaos control is the ability to manipulate and control chaos energy, chaos energy representing the nature of the multiverse itself. It is often remembered as what lets Shadow teleport around. Super Sonic gets so much control over this that he threatened the entire multiverse in terms of sheer power and reality manipulating abilities. And what prevents Super Neo Metal from doing this is the fact he is a machine driven by cold logic, rather than the emotions and instincts necessary to let Chaos energy flow through you. And Metal Sonic, particularly his Super Neo form, is all about learning and evolving, and theory I’ve seen is that it won’t be long before his form allows him to evolve true sapience for emotions and instincts. Of course, this speculation and theory crafting has no bearing on the Death Battle.

    • @hyperfairy7779
      @hyperfairy7779 Місяць тому +3

      Archie sonic and Archie feats and scaling wasn't used, only the IDW comics and the games, bowser also didn't get mario Kun
      But I agree super neo metal sonic probably should of lasted longer, ((though that was a pretty epic dad bowser moment))

  • @TheKoopaKingBowser
    @TheKoopaKingBowser Місяць тому +20

    Time to debunk an entire video's scaling LMFAO. (before we get into this, if you try to respond with something like "holy shit yapathon," or "aint no way a bowser pfp is talking." please let it be known your obvious bias in this debate, and the fact that you are intentionally trying to imply that Sonic games are better even though that has literally almost never been the case in quality control.)
    1. The reasons things like The Nega Wisp Armor, Spacial Displacement Trap, and Metal Virus didn't show up is because Bowser has a counter to all of them, they literally state this in the end of the video, these things can, and WILL go wrong against Bowser.
    2. I agree with the Death Egg Robot statement, but they were calculating the average force of Eggman's tech, the Death Egg Robot in forces is a Super Badnik, something to be considered the peak of his army, a tank to him if you will. Your argument is that his machines are way stronger, no shit. They never said that it wasn't.
    3. They literally bring up the Egg Salamander, and Egg-Wizard in his arsenal section of the video, they specifically say that its apart of his arsenal. The scaling still was in favor of Bowser, it didn't have to be included in the fight, the fight is literally made for the purpose of being flashy, the calculations between arsenals and trump cards, and feats. Happens before the Animation is made, because they need to decide a winner. These things, WERE accounted for. They simply lost in the war of attrition against The Koopa Kingdom.
    4. The Egg-Dragoon's speed is entirely irrelevant to Bowser. The Egg-Dragoon being superior to the Egg-Wizard literally means nothing in the context of the Death Battle, they established (like ive stated.) That it would lose, along with the egg-salamander, and egg-wizard. During the calculations phase of the actual death battle. Let's go onto the actual scaling then?
    First of all; Tails never states that Sonic can actually go at the pace of space and time, he states the acceleration is what causes space and time to be restored, that is not an immeasurable sonic speed feat, though they do exist and I will list them. Pre-Unleashed infact,
    Sonic states, "Time may fly, but I'm even faster!" in Sonic & The Secret Rings, implying hes faster then time itself. Which is further confirmed in future games. Generations at-least confirms that his acceleration can fuck with time and space, not that hes faster then both, that is an immeasurable speed feat.
    let's get into why it doesn't fucking matter: Bowser was traversing all of Dream Depot and wiping out each dream one by one--which are universes--casually, as evidenced by how he's talking about his plan and such, before destroying Dream Depot itself. Misstar then says "at this rate, he'll destroy the dream worlds one by one." She goes on to say that Mario must protect everyone's dreams. This means Bowser was casually moving at a rate that would allow him to destroy an uncountable set of uncountably infinite universes. Not to mention; said Universes can be conceptually in a higher plane, It's stated in Dream Team by Dreambert that inside of dreams, he can "Sense a higher plane of consciousness.". Which confirms that the Dream Depot, which is contingent to all dreams, would be able to create Higher Levels of World, dreams and wishes have no form, and are immaterial, hence they cannot qualify for dimensional transcendence. Making it a feat of Conceptual Transcendence, and Bowser was casually destroying the entire conceptually transcending dream depot with his speed and strength alone. To continue, The Dream and Dark Stone can grant any wish, scaling off of the dream depot, and high levels of consciousness, this would mean they have meta wish granting hax, that Bowser possessed when he was Dreamy Bowser. so here's some proof of three things, his physical stats, the fact the egg-dragoon could not fucking surpass him or speedblitz him, and the fact the dream stone and star rod are busted as fuck.
    5. The didn't use the hardboiled heavies because the animation was made off of what was ment to look flashy, they were again. accounted for, and considered weaker.
    6. Again, if Metal Sonic has 'immeasurable speed' Bowser is conceptually transcending him in all sense of the word. What kind of correlation is them flashing another screenshot while explaining something different mean base scales. LOL
    7. If you highball the phantom ruby, you COULD get it to 1-A.(Boundless scaling is actual fucking cap LMFAO.) The issue with that is; The DREAM Depot is 1-A. And Bowser is infinitely superior to that shit, in Mario Party 5. He has gotten way stronger, he canonically has accelerated developement. he is literally starchild.
    8. Lowballing infinite is crazy, in a Sonic glaze video too, he'd scale to Modern Sonic during Forces, who again, COULD be scaled to 1-A. Infinitely superior to Erazor Djinn, who does have 1-A Scaling, aswell as Maginaryland scaling. Even WITH that, However. Bowser still fucking soloes, he has conceptual transcendence, and dimension transcendence because of Cutout from Paper Mario, When Mario activates his Cutout technique, he transcends the boundaries of space and time alongside dimensions, and travels to a realm outside of their universe where he can cut out pieces of the background via access to transdimensional scissors that allow him to uncover secrets via this cutting. This would also imply Mario transcends dimensionality through this technique, since if he’s transcending the very boundaries of space and time (alongside multiple dimensions), he must be transcending anything that exists within/is bound by space and time, and since dimensionality (the totality of dimensions) is comprised of spatial extents dimensionality itself would be within space and time, and thus within its boundaries, logically implying that Cutout transcends dimensionality [Beyond-Dimensional Physiology, Dimensional Travel, Spatial Manipulation, Background Manipulation]. The space that Mario performs Cutout on is implied to be apart of the cosmic ether of the universe. also scaling the universe to 1-A. as the realm’s ether is within the universe (certain parts of the Cutout Realm lie within the universe, which are interacted with from areas of the realm outside of the universe). Bowser effortlessly scales to these things, those scissors aren't even considered an actual threat to him. Let alone the strongest artifact hes surpassed.
    9. Again, lowballing the sonicverse is crazy. The Time Eater COULD do those things, its just that Bowser is infinitely superior.
    10. Infinite IS stronger then Solaris, and Time Eater. He's just NOT stronger then Bowser LMFAO.
    11. The reason they didn't give it to him is because it isn't something he'd have on hand in an actual battle, he'd have to specifically charge it to fight Bowser for literal weeks and even then Bowser fucking trounces it and moves on to the next problem. If we're arguing that shit can just be given to certain characters, Bowser shouldn't have even been able to get scratched this fight, because with the Star Rod he wished to be unstoppable. Comparing Lightman, a form that requires charge, to Chance Time, which is something Kamek can deadass just do, along with all of his other busted abilities, (reality warping, mind control, paperization, and raw magic,)
    12. Omnipresence, CAN be scaled to speed, if your everywhere all at once, you are everywhere, you can exist anywhere at any point, instantly. Which is why it could be scaled to speed. Again, even if he's Immeasurable speed. It's irrelevant, they even state this in the death battle. That speed wouldn't help Eggman LMFAO.
    13. Bowser doesn't have inaccessible speed, he has IRRELEVANT speed. Which is a tier that is beyond immeasurable, he's beyond concepts, such as distance, aspatial, or atemporal. He's comparable to Mario, who can run across Superspace Bridge, superspace is a space of infinitely many dimensions postulated to contain actual space-time and all possible spaces. And Mario casually jogged through it, this just adds to the cosmology, since Superspace Bridge is a casual galaxy. Also, Bowser scales off M-Power. Aesthetic details indicate string theory such as lineland, not to mention equations are literally seen apart of dimensions in super paper mario. The Void WAS going to destroy mathematical dimensions. Scaling to 5D is chump scaling, and again lowballing the Sonicverse LMFAO.
    14. "Bowser scales to 4D at best." This along with the fact you've admitted that you haven't actually tried to find shit related to his scaling just proves everyones point, you are bias against one side and have no clue about the other. Bowser is literally a dimensional transcending character.
    15. "Spatial displacement is never implied to have such a weakness," your right, it's not implied too. The comic literally shows that it fucked up and didn't do what it was ment to do, which is what they're stating. Their is a difference between technology that transmutates and magic, Bowser could literally reverse the process, and It's obvious Eggman didn't have any forcesight to do so, that's literally the entire point of why Starline betrayed him. Meanwhile, Bowser. Could literally turn them back at any point. "Even beyond that, the metal virus isn't that easy to get rid of." Yes it is, to characters who can turn any other character into anything else. yes it is, not to mention if you actually did you research you'd know the Metal Virus could literally be danced away, (DDR Mario Mix has subatomic manipulation, Bowser literally has that power in his soul. If Bowser wanted to get rid of it, it's deadass as simple as dancing.)

    • @TheKoopaKingBowser
      @TheKoopaKingBowser Місяць тому +8

      16. "Am I gonna get unironic comments from Mario fans saying that this is supposed to be taken completely seriously?" Yes, yes you are. because if you did your research, you'd know that it WAS ment to be taken in context, the entire Minigame is dedicated to Bowser proving it, he makes monsters out of massive chemicals, not to mention; Bowser canonically leads a hyper specific army according to SMB3's manual, he has built shit like the Dark Matter Reactor, which casually erased things from existence, the Galaxy Reactor, which can recreate the entire universe several times over. (It's stated to decide the Fate of the Universe, twice, both ingame and in the manual, Luigi also says that if Bowser isn't stopped the universe falls into his claws.) He built a space station that can casually chill next to the sun, (not impressive, but Eggman has built worse LMFAO.) He canonically has a fucking doctorate, he created a bubble machine that could trap even Mario, who again, scales off all of this shit I JUST stated. (I don't care about your Mario VS Sonic debunking video, fyi. LMFAO.)
      17. "The only thing that can counter the phantom ruby is the phantom ruby itself," yeah. In the fucking verse? The Star Rod is superior to the star spirits who guard and created the dream depot, which again, could be scaled to 1-A casually. The Star Rod is so strong it even beat Bowser, Bowser could literally one shot that thing, even with its highball 1-A Infinitely superior scaling, Mario's cosmology is just more specific.
      18. The reason they didn't include lightman was because it would be impossible for the Doctor to have him, same reason they didn't include shit like Dark Paint Bowser (different from Fury bowser.)
      19. The Chaos emeralds have infinite power, but so do fucking stars LMFAO, Stars have regularly been able to create shit on the level of Galaxies, baby stars (luma's) literally ARE galaxies, not only would stars be able to counter chaos emeralds, they have created Big Boo's, who in mario 64's manual are stated to be extradimensional threats that Mario casually sends packing, stars also created dimensions with time and space, demonstrated by tick tock clock being reflected by time, Stars can create entire universes, (Worlds= Universes in Mario, similarly to the Sonicverse.), Mario deadass says that Bobomb Battlefield is identical to his world. The Grand Star is almost infinitely superior to regular stars or the big star, it would effortlessly scale past the chaos emeralds, not to MENTION their in abundance. Like you've stated, "no matter how many finite things you have, you will never be able to counter an infinite thing." except those 'finite things' are also infinite in power and have layered transcendence LMFAO.
      20. Eggman has literally proved he is willing to take things on a universal scale, the reason he doesn't is because they have to keep it grounded to Sonic's world LMFAO. The conquering thing doesn't make sense at all,

    • @Lightingran95
      @Lightingran95 Місяць тому +4

      W

    • @toiletcombiner
      @toiletcombiner Місяць тому +4

      bowser dogwalked eggman

    • @toadude
      @toadude Місяць тому +6

      W, you cooked

    • @toadude
      @toadude Місяць тому +6

      how much you guys wanna bet he's gonna cope so hard he deletes the comment

  • @YiijUuu
    @YiijUuu Місяць тому +40

    Good points but i disagree with sonic having immeasurable speed. I think him fixing time in sonic generations is just him running through levels again to restore time i dont think hes running fast enough to restore time

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +24

      A respectable opinion

    • @EpicGamer-69
      @EpicGamer-69 Місяць тому +26

      Granted the Tails' are saying in both Generations and the remaster that Sonic' SPEED is what's restoring Space-Time, so there's that.

    • @notarobber5387
      @notarobber5387 Місяць тому +11

      Yeah most likely but Super Sonic would definitely have immeasurable because of the Solaris fight. The data book states that the trio fight in the past, present, and future. This would require either each member of the trio to travel to different points in time to fight Solaris, or the trio can straight up attack through time. Both would require immeasurable speeds and Solaris is able to shoot beams throughout time. Time eater also fights super sonic which would scale to Solaris. As well as fighting him in an infinite time stream at the end of time outside of reality. We see parts of the Sonics world fly within the tube and Time Eater is able to effect the time within it. Both of these feats would give Super Neo and Time eater immeasurable speed

    • @SansINess53
      @SansINess53 Місяць тому +9

      I think he is immeasurable due to the fact his prior enemies were legit lightspeed or MFTL so yeah it's more consistent that way. And I personally think sonic using his speed to restore life plays into the god of the wind vibe. And is well done. To say a plumber who somehow is able to destroy a evil dinosaur with destructive powers but can't work a pipe better than luigi.

    • @Oyflim_The_Great
      @Oyflim_The_Great Місяць тому

      I think he is immeasurable due to......
      Me being a sonic glazer

  • @GodzillaWarrior2021
    @GodzillaWarrior2021 Місяць тому +33

    The cope might be stronger than gojo fans 😭
    Poor metal sonic, he needs pain meds to supress the back pain he got from carrying eggman

  • @lightyoshiman
    @lightyoshiman 18 днів тому +4

    so far this vid just seems more like "why wasn't this used in the fight when they already deemed it useless?" these battles are just meant to be for entertainment their not meant to accurately depict how the fight would actually if that was the case for example obito vs vador wouldn't be a fight obito would have just put vador in the kamui dimension and be done with the man.
    Also the reason why bowser's army was better was because they had better resources hell kamek was underutilized as he could have not only screwed over eggman's army by either taking their emeralds from them or depowering them but he also could have powered up his own army and remember what they said unlike eggman's army bowser's had access to all the powerup's bowser could use and they actually coordinate with each other.
    And finally chaos emeralds don't have infinite power or energy they've been drained of all their power's on at least two occasions (sonic adventure, and sonic unleashed,) though I think there was also a sonic runner's game where they were drained as well

    • @CarlosGarcia91000
      @CarlosGarcia91000 18 днів тому

      I still think their episode was very accurate and yes, even the infinite getting crushed

  • @huntsshorts3740
    @huntsshorts3740 4 дні тому +1

    Hold on, how does Skull Bowser can able inhale?

    • @EmilianoCharlo-xp2ny
      @EmilianoCharlo-xp2ny 3 дні тому

      I think because the "inahle" ability is a power up and not something bowser can do naturally

    • @huntsshorts3740
      @huntsshorts3740 3 дні тому +1

      @EmilianoCharlo-xp2ny He's all bones with no organ to breathe require. Would that make his inhale like vented out from his skeleton?

    • @EmilianoCharlo-xp2ny
      @EmilianoCharlo-xp2ny 3 дні тому

      @@huntsshorts3740 he's a wizard-dragon-turtle-bull-penguin-immortal'thing,did you expect logic to suddenly appear

    • @huntsshorts3740
      @huntsshorts3740 3 дні тому +1

      @@EmilianoCharlo-xp2ny Fair Point.

    • @someguy7173
      @someguy7173 2 дні тому

      ​@@huntsshorts3740If I recall he did it in dream team

  • @jz2848
    @jz2848 Місяць тому +53

    Thank you for salt. I needed them for my fries

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +12

      I know a RWBY pfp ain't talking

    • @Harold-gl1ng
      @Harold-gl1ng Місяць тому +34

      ​@@Unremarkable6969I know the one with the shadow pfp ain't talking

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +6

      Damn 😒

    • @colvamoon6962
      @colvamoon6962 Місяць тому +3

      ​@@Harold-gl1ngdamn, beat me to the comeback.

    • @soraiiro_
      @soraiiro_ Місяць тому +7

      @@Harold-gl1ng Shadow the hedgehog is cool asf tho. what's ur point?

  • @dimitri4888
    @dimitri4888 Місяць тому +17

    1:13 Let's compare the teams used, shall we:
    Bowser team:
    -Himself
    -Bowser Jr
    -Kamek
    -King Boo
    -Filler troops
    Eggman team:
    -Death Egg Robot
    -Death Egg
    -Egg Dragoon
    -Sage
    -Metal Sonic
    -Infinite
    -Filler troops
    So both teams were balanced in terms of amount of characters (and Eggman even had a slight edge in that aspect), giving more stuff to Eggman would be unfair.
    Also neither Bowser nor Sonic have innaccissble/inmeasurable speed, specially not when Sonic himself says he was too slow to save Tails in Lost World.

    • @Unremarkable6969
      @Unremarkable6969  Місяць тому +6

      Then give Bowser more 🗿

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      @darrelson2511 15 днів тому +2

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  • @Oyflim_The_Great
    @Oyflim_The_Great Місяць тому +65

    15:10
    You can debunk it by saying most of Eggmans army works like a hive mind under sage, who would have created millions of Battle plans for what ever Bowsers toops try, meaning they would have perfect coordination, the only exceptions being Metal sonic, infinite and non-robotic minions.

    • @MohamedYattara-vi4ut
      @MohamedYattara-vi4ut Місяць тому +4

      W

    • @RedRance69
      @RedRance69 Місяць тому +29

      And you can debunk that argument by saying sage didn’t have any data against the koopa clan to form a efficient battle plan to begin with

    • @colvamoon6962
      @colvamoon6962 Місяць тому +11

      That requires Sage to KNOW what all their abilities are. Sure, she could theorize, but not without concrete proof...which is kinda hard to do during a chaotic war.

    • @Oyflim_The_Great
      @Oyflim_The_Great Місяць тому +10

      @@colvamoon6962 @RedRance69 you both know that she can update her battle plans as the fight goes on? it's not like she's not gonna know what's happening she's an hyper advanced ai who formed a plan to take down the embodiment of death and destruction, she won't get overwhelmed and confused like a human, she'll be learning and adapting the battle plan as the battle goes on, Like how She updated the battle plan against the end, as the game went on she updated and adapted till she created a plan to beat the end, and it worked.

    • @Oyflim_The_Great
      @Oyflim_The_Great Місяць тому +14

      @@RedRance69 And it still doesn't change the fact the egg army is a hive mind, so there won't be any form of infighting or confusion, they will all be updating and processing this info at the same time, sending their data to Sage and the egg net to update the battle plan. that's how Ai work, the more data they get, the better they get at something.

  • @Candy_the_Cotton_Candy_Fox
    @Candy_the_Cotton_Candy_Fox 18 днів тому +1

    The thing is that with the things they haven't brought up in the actual fight was the conditions.
    we're talking about base to ultimate
    where would a ruby or an emerald be inside of a mario world?
    despite the cartoony reasoning, they're trying to make it accurate.

  • @ShadowSaberBaroxio
    @ShadowSaberBaroxio Місяць тому +3

    "The only thing that can counter the Phantom Ruby is the Phantom Ruby itself"
    5 minutes earlier: "Sonic defeated Infinite in base."
    I haven't played Sonic Forces, so... how does that work?

    • @big-pj5rs
      @big-pj5rs 29 днів тому

      they used a prototype of the phantom ruby

  • @mateushenriquepinheiro3197
    @mateushenriquepinheiro3197 Місяць тому +22

    To be honest the alternative scenarios did show us what would happen if Eggman brought out some other tools, plus let's not down play Mario scaling since they don't give a fuck about it whiich leads to the most absurd feats you can imagine.
    But if I can say something about the whole thing, Sage was not that big of a help in Eggman's side in hindsight when compared to Bowser's side (Kamek, King Boo, Junior and Bowser himself had ways of breaking out of cyberspace. Also her thousands of scenarios can be proven wrong as they mentioned in the post analysis)

    • @Exeternal_Beyonder_Of_Doomsday
      @Exeternal_Beyonder_Of_Doomsday Місяць тому +1

      She could've used a robot to his side but they did not do that

    • @moodyblues510
      @moodyblues510 Місяць тому +6

      @@Exeternal_Beyonder_Of_Doomsdaywhat’s stopping bowser from just turning said robot army into stone

    • @topace1038
      @topace1038 Місяць тому +1

      Should also mention that outside of Bowser Jr none of the Koopalings made appearances in this battle. Also Bowsers Warships and Clowncars were also not really used.

    • @Doomblade3890
      @Doomblade3890 Місяць тому +1

      Honestly this fight kinda reminds me of Saitama vs Popeye. Both of them were gag characters but Popeye had Toon Force which allowed him to just say "screw the rules of reality". While I do enjoy the Mario games, they definitely have some border-line, if not full-blown Toon Force shenanigans. Also before anyone says I'm coping or a Sonic fan, I actually agree with Death Battle's analysis on this fight, I'm just pointing out how ludicrous some of feats the Marioverse pulls off are.

    • @mateushenriquepinheiro3197
      @mateushenriquepinheiro3197 Місяць тому +1

      @@topace1038 koopalings were part of the fight in the storyboard, Moro confirmed that they were cut due to budget as their scene would have cost too much for how short it was.

  • @MindForgedManacle
    @MindForgedManacle Місяць тому +34

    It's like you didn't watch the explainer at the end. Eggman's trump cards weren't ignored. They either wouldn't be enough to progress the battle past a tie, or in the case of the Phantom Ruby, would be an Eggman loss that still required only giving Eggman weeks of prep-time and not Bowser.
    It doesn't seem complicated and in the DB itself, they don't want to add big abilities that can be instantly undone or tied by the other side:
    Wonder Flower > Phantom Ruby. WF is an actual universal reality warper and has a shorter charge time. PR->Light Man is a planetary-level perception controller and requires weeks of charging on a PR prototype gem. Controlling perception on a planetary scale is an inarguable loss to a universal reality warper.
    The other Eggman trump cards are reality warpers, but Bowser has 3 of those (Wonder Flower, Star Rod and Dream Stone). So as long as both sides are treated equivalently (either getting only 1 such trump card each or getting them all), it's at best a tie. Like why would they add the Paradox Prism if the Pure Hearts are a perfect counter? What's the point of giving Bowser the Star Rod if Eggman could counter it as Nightmare Eggman? DBs that can only logically end as a tie should not be common.
    Phantom Ruby is just a straight loss though. But without one side having an obvious deficiency or limitation, a battle between universal reality warpers has no obvious winner. Which negates the point of having a Death Battle between them to begin with.
    I mean, if Bowser had lost this despite the same abilities being used, I wouldn't complain that he wasn't given the Wonder Flower. Because a universal reality warper will obviously win against a non-reality warper. But Bowser wasn't given reality warping here either, so it just comes across as you complaining that Eggman lost.

    • @hyperfairy7779
      @hyperfairy7779 Місяць тому +7

      Reality warping > illusions,

    • @nehen2225
      @nehen2225 Місяць тому +2

      Problem: The wonder flower vs the phantom ruby debate are only about range. The two of then work warping reality and the phantom ruby created and infinite sized world in forces. Saying "planet level" as if it couldn't do more than that is plain wrong. Besides that Eggman's weapons aside from hax are also stronger when you include scaling. The robots from rush hit harder than any of Bowser's objects, the dreamy stone failed Bowser when he took enough damage and he is also outmatched in speed so Eggman will pull up his wincons faster than him

    • @Kurouso2099
      @Kurouso2099 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@hyperfairy7779They are not only illusions???? Like, you take death battle to face value?

    • @mkg1097
      @mkg1097 26 днів тому

      If he gets beat by mario he doesnt beat metal sonic

  • @staticplays1871
    @staticplays1871 Місяць тому +2

    The military loyalty aspect is more of a double edge sword. Because if bowser is worried about protecting his troops, then he can't put his focus on the full fight, we see that happen with when the death egg vaporized his scales off as it wasn't even the rest of the army that net him the win, it was only bowser Jr using the staff since metal sonic couldn't kill him.

  • @thecanadianinyou
    @thecanadianinyou Місяць тому +15

    rage bait goes hard when your idol is Shadow the Edgehog lol