Best Image Quality on a Mirrorless Camera? | S5IIX BRAW Workflow
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2024
- So what do you think? Is the image quality better on Panasonic/Lumix or does Sony, Canon, RED, or any other brands beat it?
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0:00 Intro
1:09 BRAW Footage on S5IIX
2:10 Accessories for BRAW
3:21 Settings for BRAW
5:21 Pros and Cons to Setup
6:53 BRAW Post Production Workflow
8:26 Outro
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Your videograghy style and concert video was absolutely awesome. Love Lumix S5iix. It's my first full frame camera. Learning to improve my skills
Appreciate it🙏 S5IIX is a great full frame starter camera. Should last you a long time
Panasonic colors are addictive, IMO. Loved the footage of the band, for all the reasons you said: it pops and yet looks very natural at the same time!
I agree entirely
Super helpful video, thank you! Just bought the video assist myself for the s5iix, so good timing hahahaha
Nice! Enjoy it!
Great video, I added the PD Movie Lidar auto focus because it's nightmare trying to pull footage with the external monitor lag. I set the Lidar focus speed to medium because fast is too noisy.
The exact video I was looking for
Glad UA-cam blessed you with the right video
Thanks for all the info! That explains a lot :)
Thanks for watching🙏
Very nice shots! Delightful work! Thanks for the demonstration!
It would be very interesting to compare BRAW with Lumix S5IIx vs BRAW on Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K Full Frame)
Any update
My only weapon of choice is Braw. Except for family stuff, I can't even imagine shooting any other codec. Computer tasking with Braw is minimal and editing is easy.
Ah come on shoot all your family stuff at 3:1.....😉 I agree though it's awesome!
Very nice. Muito bom, adorei esta abordagem, estamos precisando muito disso. Muito obrigado.
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look out for that beard 🔥 great vid man i haven't shot braw yet and not sure if im gonna but you made it really tempting
It's comin for you. If you don't shoot braw from now on, idk if we can be friends anymore.....
@@DustinArmstrongPro haha dang
Found the same thing - for people who don't keep up on the nitty gritty techy side, I'm 95% sure that the S5ii/X share a variant of the sensor used in the Sony FX9 -likely just PDAF pixels arranged differently, and the full quality of the sensor available in BRAW is absolutely incredible. 12:1 compression gives small sizes but I did buy an 18TB drive for backups so really I can get the most out of the camera now.
Sadly for scenes with a lot of movement UA-cam compression SUCKS to show detail, I found static shots in BRAW work best specifically for UA-cam as it doesn't get as compressed and mushy. The actual quality is way better than this on your own monitor.
100% looks crazy on my monitor in Resolve. Still holds up pretty decent on UA-cam
I had no idea the FX9 was a 6k sensor that couldn't do 4k50 at full frame (they still managed to scan a 122% area of the sensor than the S5 at 50P ). So yeah maybe they have something similar.
I believe this is all based on the same A7 III sensor then
I like how you take time to respond to every question. You earn a following today. Am getting my Blackmagic video assist today.
I do my best. Congrats! Hope you like it!
I do very much. Unfortunately my Blackmagic video assist recorder came and my s5iix is saying the device connected does not support raw. The video assist is saying codec not supported.
@@kingzoroimages9010 @kingzoroimages9010 did you turn on RAW recording over hdmi on the S5IIX?
Yes I did. I also updated the firmware on both camera and the video assist. Could it be that the HDMI cable is old and not compatible?
Could be the HDMI cable yes
I think for solo shooting helps a lot having another S5 II or a S5IIx , one mounted already in a gimbal and the other for solo shooting with a 70-200mm for the details ;)
Trust me GH6 is better option for this task, this is how I do, u just have more options with it slow mo 120 4k for example
Not a bad idea to have 2 cameras ready to go. I'd need 2 video assists or just have the other camera ready with the lens could be helpful
Thanks a lot Dustin for your deep dive into Lumix shootings) Your explanation is great so I was watching wiw pleasure) So my question is could I use usb c charging when Im doing braw shooting throw hdmi, caz when I did it wit sandisk ssd I used dummy battery but for gimbal workflow its not genius idea to have wires everywhere around ) So may u recommend condor blue as a great gear or its more about hype? Greetings from Moscow Russia u got a new subscriber))))
I do like the kondor blue pro blade! You can also get a pro blade enclosure straight from San disk. I own it and may use it as well for other applications. Appreciate the support🙏
Great overview my friend. Question, would it not have been easier or quicker to shoot using the s5iix IBIS instead of the gimbal? I had two projects recently where I shot one with my s5 on my zhiyun crane 3 and though the shots were great, I had so many down times duento set up, minor gimbal glitches, lens change etc, that for my second project filming bands, I decided to go with a small simple armpit/shoulder rig and enabled full IBIS and the experience was much better with little to zero down times due to gimbal adjustments. Anyways, keep up the great work as always and looking forward to the braw via video assist video.
Definitely could have done that. I think that works well if your end result will be in slow mo, but normal speed clips I find it's better to stay on the gimbal. Although the IBIS on the G9II may change my mind on that. Definitely it's a solid option though instead of gimbal. Appreciate you watching!
Hey Dustin! Love the video, very clean footage :))
I'm switching from BlackMagic PC4K to a Lumix S5ii. I'm aware I'd need to buy the paid upgrade to make the s5ii output RAW footage.
Just a couple of questions:
Can you fully control all camera functions via the Video Assist? This would be a godsend for me, as BlackMagic menus are all i know haha!
Can you shoot in the open gate 3:2 format? This is one of the main reasons i bought the S5ii, as I intend to shoot, and deliver a lot of projects in that format.
Also, what gimbal do you use for your setup?
Thanks!!
Thank you! No you cannot control all video functions on the video assist.
You can shoot open gate in any mode, but it is not supported in BRAW. You can do 17:9 and possibly 4:3? Don't quote me on that.
I was using the DJI RS2 here.
@@DustinArmstrongPro the GH6 supports Open Gate with BRAW, maybe the S5II(x) can do that as well, hoping for an update :)
I hope so! Would love it if they add it!
A lot of great info and tips here, thank you. That shot at 2:33 of the boat steering wheel is classic. What lens/codec/color grade did you use for that? Love that look.
Thanks for watching🙏. Pretty sure that was a Sigma lens at 60fps All I. Used one of my tonal grade luts as a starting point.
@@DustinArmstrongPro The 60p all-i is cropped right?
Yes. S35 crop
BRAW is the way to go! Btw our handle works with any size pro blade but Lumix specifically has a 2TB limit.
Ahhhhhhhhh that makes total sense now. I just read that off B&H. But good to know if I mention it in future videos
Just saw a B&H kit of the Pro-Blade handle paired with a 4 TB SSD, and the description says the S5IIX (and other Lumix cameras) are compatible. Maybe you should have them correct that, cause a lot of buyers will be disappointed
Can’t you just hook it up to the video assist instead of the camera to get the full 4TB?
@@daniellove162 You sure can! But internally Lumix cameras are limited to 2tb
Im on my s5 mk1
Hey Great Video - What frame rates in different resolutions are possible with this setup? It seems like newer cameras are really pushing the high resolutions combined with high fps. 6K and 8K video with 50/60fps. Is there any way to achieve 6K with 50/60 fps? Maybe with a crop or something? (in BRAW)
Thanks
Only up to 30fps. In 6k
Thanks a lot Dustin 👍 With what frame rate can you record in B-Raw? How did you the B-roll? don't thing you can use open gate with it? I have a S5ii and love to record with the anamorphic lens by 3:2, but no slomo there 😥
You can do up to 60fps, but it is cropped. And correct you can't do open gate in raw just b17:9
@@DustinArmstrongProno open gate is bad. It makes raw useless for me. I shoot everything in open gate
Hi there, Dustin: I know I am late to the party, but I hope I can ask you a question or two about your shooting experience. If you are shooting the S5 IIX handheld (without a gimbal) does using a top handle keep the camera steadier? I have an S1 and original S5 and I can't really seem to keep them steady at all when hand-holding them (even when using a lens with lens stabilization, like the Panasonic 24-105 f/4) I don't have a cage or top handle for them, so I generally hold them the way a photogrpaher would. Thanks in advance.
Hi Dustin, great work, question: is shooting at this high of a quality actually make for a better resolution than just filming at 10-bit HD? Thanks!
Much better, it records much more detail/texture in 6K BRAW than internal 6K H265 as well.
I love when Dennis answers my questions for me lol
Hey @@DennisSchmitzwhat about H.264? Isn't it comparable to braw image texture?
The 4K modes in H264 are even worse.@@PaulAntonescu
Thank you for the video! I am considering buying the S5 ii X. If I have another monitor, not the Video Assist, do I miss any important feature?
You won't be and to record BRAW. It has to be a video assist
Thank you. So just to make it clear, if I want to record BRAW I must use a video assist?@@DustinArmstrongPro
@zoltanbereczki3273 correct. It's an external monitor and external recorder and the only way to get BRAW over HDMI
Hi Dustin. If you record on external SSD like showed here, do you have an option for simultaneous backup in case SSD encounter error post event???
I think you can record to the SD card on the video assist but I'm not 100% sure. You cannot record to the SD card in camera I do know
I thought if you bought the video assist they gave you a free copy of DaVinci resolve studio. Or is that only with their cameras?
I forgot about that. I had already bought resolve so I didn't get it for free
kinda specific but u might be the perfect person to answer, are u able to use ur dulens apo minis with the sigma mc-31 adapter? I found the mount flange to collide with the inside of the adapter a couple millimeters so it doesnt even seat properly
Yep I ran into the same problem. I had to unscrew the black piece in the lens to get it to fit on the MC-31. Sucks cause that's an expensive mount
@@DustinArmstrongPro oh man ur a lifesaver thanks for the tip. is that the meike one u were using in the video?
Yes meike. I like it! But also doesn't work with all PL lenses😂 guess I'll just own both now
4:50 somewhat related if you are using a BM Video Assist you can use up to a 4TB ProBlade, but directly from the camera 2TB is the largest @DustinArmstrongPro
Good to know!
I'm new to shooting on an external monitor, Can you tell me when shooting Braw on the S5IIX with the BlackMagic Video Assist 5", does the audio record from the camera mic inputs?
Yes it still records over the camera and output to the monitor. You can also plug into the monitor I believe as well
So if I am right the s5II can be the same as the s5IIx with the paid update, except it won't shoot pores raw.?
Yes. I think it'll do prores raw with a ninja though?
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Isn’t the Blackmagic braw even better image quality?
what arm are you using on the gimbal to mount the monitor?
The kondor blue top handle
Hi I shoot since 2 years on S5 org braw but the best quality you vsn get is Proresraw and converted to CDNG ...that the ultimate quality you can get from the Lumix sensor because Proresraw is not debayred and all channel are in raw output braw is well kind of hybrid try to shoot prores raw with ninja V and convert it to cdng you will see probably more latitude and somehow better colors...
Seems like too much work for me😂 but I'll take your word that the image quality is better!
@@DustinArmstrongProI am just pixel picking and the NinjaV Propresraw 5.9K files are a nightmare 2tb is 1h50 minutes braw is fine just for ultimate quality Proresraw is better...
Why would you shoot prores raw and convert to CDNG. It's a total waste of time, plus the huge file it creates. I will not recommend it. I only do that when I shoot with my Canon R6II just because it can't shoot Braw. You can barely tell any difference in quality.
I wish S5II shot 4k60p without crop. I probably won't ever touch my R6II.
This time around the S5ii has proper BRAW support with true RAW data passed to the recorder, whereas BRAW in gen 1 S series was incomplete. ProRes RAW is still technically better but for us Windows and Resolve users converting is a pain. I'm working on a codec analysis video, shot a bunch of ProRes RAW and BRAW side by side and there's basically no difference at all worth sticking to PrRAW over if you're on Resolve. Converting takes FOREVER even with a beefy 5800X3D.
@@nigerian-nightmarethe original files Prores Raw are huge but CDNG raw convertor 7:1 5:1 files are much smaller...the why is it you don't have a Videoassist 12G but have the Ninja V and want to record raw via HDMI from your camera and your NLE is Davinci resolve, or you have a camera which is incompatible with braw like Sony FX3 but you want to shoot Proresraw with it and your NLE is Davinci Resolve you need to transcode Prores RAW to CDNG to make it work
HI
I currently shoot with an older Xt3 and im looking to upgrade. Im trying to decide between 2 full frame cameras. The new Lumix s5iix or the older Sony A7siii.
My use case is video only and im currently focused on realestate videos and some weddings, client work ect.
My main concern is for filming real estate in 4k60. What would look better a7siii 4k60 or the lumix s5ii 4k60 cropped? Most high end videographers in the real estate industry use a7siii. Taking everything into account, noise, low light, Dynamic range, image quality ect which is better.
My goal to get the best quality 4k 60 video.
Thank you
Personally I think the Lumix is better in every way. I used to own the A7sIII. But if you're mainly needing 4k60 fps for real estate the A7sIII might be better because it does full frame 4k60. The S5IIX will crop in to S35 at 4k60fps. So you would just have to account for that if you decided to go with the S5IIX
@@DustinArmstrongPro with 4k 60 its not the focal length im worried about its about the crop degrading the quality slightly. woulnt the image quality look better uncropped?
also the low light is better? i thought too which is good for night shooting homes. I wanted the s5iix its also allot cheaper but its this crop thats worring me and everyone is using the sony so im guessing thiers a reason for it?
@@edi18912 the crop shouldn't affect quality. Lots of cameras they use in hollywood still use a S35 sensor (that's what cropping in does. It's the same as using a different camera that has a S35 sensor). It will affect noise though. An S35 sensor/crop will make noise more noticeable. In my experience with the A7sIII and Lumix cameras, the A7sIII yes is better technically in lowlight, but Lumix cameras are more consistent in lowlight. The A7sIII footage looked unusable to me at high ISOs whereas Lumix is more noisy, but the colors, light, etc is way more consistent and looks better. Just my opinion though
@@DustinArmstrongProi really appreciate the feedback, i guess i already have a crop sesnor camera with the xt3 and the main reason to upgrade for me was to go full frame. but if i always shoot in 4k 60 i may aswell not upgrade? Ideally I want the SH1 mark 2 with no crop. I guess for me i have seen amazing real estate videos with the A7siii but i havent seen any with the lumix sii that look as good. I did see one but it had noise in it.
@@DustinArmstrongPro can i also ask why the lumix is better in everyway ? what aspects
You like braw over ProRes raw?
Yep because I'm in Davinci Resolve. Workflow is easy
Can you change the ISO in post with BRAW like with the pocket cameras? I saw somewhere that not all cameras can do that with BRAW
There's an exposure slider but I'm not sure if there's a ISO one that i can remember?
@@DustinArmstrongPro It’s a drop-down menu where you see all the different ISOs, it’s in the Camera Raw panel in the Color Tab of Resolve. It’d be a huge plus for the S5IIX to have that.
I can double check and get back. I only remember seeing exposure but also my first time using BRAW lol
@@DustinArmstrongPro That’d be awesome ! No prob, there are a bunch of drop-down parameters with the ISO, like the white balance for eg (not the slider on the colorwheel but the real RAW one in the Camera Raw panel).
Any update?
I do same, with s5 + Assist_hdr5. Lag/shutter and moire are 2 things which make this setup not perfect. If you use lens-adapter I see no sense invest in s5iix, v1 twice cheaper.
I have heard that the autofocus fails when recording in 1080p, can someone help me clear this doubt please?
FF = Full-Frame
APS-C = 1.5x Crop on Sensor Area
DFD - Depth From Defocus
PDAF - Phase Detection Autofocus
1920x1080 (FHD)
24/25/30fps FF → PDAF With Subject Detection
48/50/60fps APS-C → PDAF With Subject Detection
48/50/60fps FF → DFD With Subject Detection
100/120fps FF & APS-C →DFD With Subject Detection
ANY* S&Q Mode - DFD Without Subject Detection
*S&Q 180fps - Manual Focus Only
3840x2160 & 4096x2160 (4K & C4K)
24/25/30fps FF → PDAF With Subject Detection
48/50/60fps APS-C → PDAF With Subject Detection
ANY* S&Q Mode - DFD Without Subject Detection
6K 16:9, 17:9 & 3:2 (Open Gate) With or without HDMI Plugged In
24/25/30fps FF → PDAF with Subject Detection (as of latest firmware)
Hope this helps
How bad is that HDMI lag in BRAW mode?
It's the monitor that causes HDMI lag. Not BRAW. So regardless what mode your in, it'll have a lag. And it's not great. Definitely throws you off
@@DustinArmstrongPro Maybe I asked the question in a wrong way. Generally it's the S5II/X HDMI lag.
So the question shoud be "Is BRAW lag worse than HDMI lag in normal shooting mode?"
S5II is much worse in that regard then for example Sony A7IV.
Gotcha! I don't notice any difference when I'm in BRAW. You can reduce the lag a bit though by turning off the sound recording over HDMI
Can shot bRaw 60fps or fhd 100fps
It can shoot 60fps but it's S35
The original cropping follows the camera, not a double cropping
TRIGGER ME! Hi, I I shoot BRAW on my s5iix using a blackmagic Video Assist 12G, 7 inch. I have a smallrig top handle with a red 'record' button to trigger start/stop recording using the usb c to remote mini jack cable that came with this handle. When I used this top handle for recording BRAW with my GH6 the trigger button worked perfectly. What a treat. Unfortunately my s5iix doesn't seem to send this trigger signal to my Video Assist... I get an error message on the screen of my s5iix, by the likes of : "This function is disabled while sending raw data over hdmi". I'm crying in the corner. Anyone got a solution?
You could try enabling timecode over HDMI if you haven't already (should be in hdmi connection settings) then make sure "control over hdmi" is also enabled and I think it'll work.
@@DustinArmstrongPro yeeeees. That's it. Yessss!! A very warm thanks, all the way from exotic Belgium 😎
This would be perfect if you could only have auto focus
There no af??
You know you can buy an integral 2tb nvme ssd for £95
You'll need to buy an enclosure as well but yeah not a bad route to go
braw is included in the free version. 10 bit sony codecs are not, canons are
This is the one use case where the BMCC6K would be better LOL
How
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