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  • Опубліковано 21 чер 2024
  • Snapdragon X Elite laptop performance test on Samsung Galaxy Book4 Edge and Surface Laptop. Comparisons to Apple M3 and M2 Max. Qualcomm wasn't faking.
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  • @LenkeDev
    @LenkeDev 6 днів тому +259

    Your channel is one of the best things that happened to the internet recently. I've been here since you started talking about M1 machines, and I absolutely love that you have that scientific and mathematical approach to test everything. I trust a lot your information and I feel that this commitment to the truth is something hard to find

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  6 днів тому +14

      Wow, thank you!

    • @joshkoshy
      @joshkoshy 6 днів тому +5

      Very true

    • @HanSolo__
      @HanSolo__ 5 днів тому

      @@AZisk All cool but why Mac, man?

    • @dheeraj3945
      @dheeraj3945 4 дні тому +1

      Seconding the statement

    • @AnotherDay-ce6th
      @AnotherDay-ce6th 4 дні тому +1

      All he's doing just web coding. Calm down kiddo 🤣

  • @MaxTechOfficial
    @MaxTechOfficial 6 днів тому +298

    Amazing video! Great work explaining the issues with the Book4 Edge and it's power modes, as well as the coil whine issue.

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  6 днів тому +36

      Thanks! Yep, the Surface is definitely a bit more stable and consistent than the Book4.

    • @RealEverythingComputers
      @RealEverythingComputers 6 днів тому

      Which one is better in your opinion, the Apple M chip lineup - what's frequently reviewed and compared on the MaxTech channel, or the Snapdragon X Elite?

    • @ranjitmandal1612
      @ranjitmandal1612 6 днів тому

      🙏

    • @ranjitmandal1612
      @ranjitmandal1612 6 днів тому +1

      ​@@RealEverythingComputersapple M series is much more mature

    • @lupifa4395
      @lupifa4395 5 днів тому +2

      ​@@AZisk About the plugged/unplugged issue, you might want to check in the power options (8:07, controle panel) : change plan settings / advanced power settings / Processor power management, the max state on battery might be below 100%.
      Even worse, there is sometimes a third power settings : on my xps, I have My Dell and a thermal mode (cool, optimized, ultra perf, silence : processor and ventilator speed)

  • @CaptainToadUK
    @CaptainToadUK 6 днів тому +427

    It feels like Samsung nerfed their machine to make it run longer on battery. Which is unfortunate, because a lot of people will buy them and decide they're rubbish and never go back to an Arm machine again. When my Lenovo arrives, first thing I'll be doing is checking performance and power management

    • @flyinginthedark6188
      @flyinginthedark6188 6 днів тому +33

      They set it up as if it was an Intel CPU. Let's see how much battery life they got in exchange.

    • @marcgtsr
      @marcgtsr 6 днів тому +38

      Or maybe the opposite as they like the batter and don't notice the lack of performance. The Phawx video shows the performance and battery better then any other, you could Mach with an and chip and you could use the snapdragon battery in 1h. There are other tests that show that in a long stress test these chips go to 2.5ghz. Not samsung ,just any laptop with these chips would do it, that's how they get these batte live. These chips could destroy the battery in minutes if allowed to.

    • @CaptainToadUK
      @CaptainToadUK 6 днів тому

      @@flyinginthedark6188 you might be right. Looks like they set it to run slower on battery and normal when plugged in. Seems a missed opportunity, though given other machines are able to get the performance both plugged and unplugged with reasonable battery life

    • @frankwong9486
      @frankwong9486 6 днів тому +6

      Different approaches
      Like commercial HP elitebook they use low power limits and the fan never roar like hell
      All core benchmarks are crap compared to unlimited power limit model
      I prefer adjustable by user as sometimes so need more boost , sometimes I need it running silently ,however Samsung don't agree this 😂

    • @Litotes_89
      @Litotes_89 6 днів тому +1

      I don’t think his Geekbench is right. My 14 inch edge 80SKU scores higher

  • @Droidrevenge
    @Droidrevenge 6 днів тому +109

    This is the ONLY video on which I trust... great, you are the man!

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  6 днів тому +3

      Wow, thanks!

    • @AnoNym-zi5ty
      @AnoNym-zi5ty 6 днів тому +4

      Right, that dave2d dude praises stuff that isn't even out yet. What a shill

  • @glappet
    @glappet 6 днів тому +4

    Thank you for the amazing explanation, and finally, straighten out some of the confusion. I most likely would by the machine for the nnpu so will be exciting to see how that plays out!

  • @melahi94
    @melahi94 6 днів тому +9

    Actually very impressive results. Thank you man, you're a legend 👏

  • @MrKyriotetes1
    @MrKyriotetes1 6 днів тому +4

    Excellent explanation about the power plan and power mode

  • @gamerboy4566
    @gamerboy4566 6 днів тому +36

    The most important part of this video was the part where you said you have/will release a video on how to setup the qualcom version of Debian image on these machines. Subscribed.

    • @MaxwellHay
      @MaxwellHay 5 днів тому +2

      Arm support shouldn’t be a problem now considering it’s been 8 months

  • @ivpxs
    @ivpxs 6 днів тому +45

    “I’ve bought them myself” see ya returning them back after review

    • @FlorinArjocu
      @FlorinArjocu 5 днів тому +25

      Here in Europe you have 2-3 weeks to return a product you bought online. I think most youtubers return them.

    • @AbarajameLabanyera
      @AbarajameLabanyera 3 дні тому

      @@FlorinArjocuExcept when you buy from Amazon. Then it’s 6 months

    • @PsychedelicPalm
      @PsychedelicPalm 3 дні тому

      @@FlorinArjocu yup all the open box deals u get are returns from UA-camrs who have probably ran all the tests and already sucked out the life of the hardware...

    • @M16-bf4ku
      @M16-bf4ku 3 дні тому +2

      @@PsychedelicPalm not at all lol

  • @tyviroth1319
    @tyviroth1319 6 днів тому +7

    That is impressive results. Thanks man!

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  6 днів тому +2

      You bet!

  • @shubhammeena927
    @shubhammeena927 6 днів тому +2

    was waiting for this, thaqnks

  • @paulgooderham
    @paulgooderham 6 днів тому +191

    Thank you for demonstrating Windows ease-of-use.

    • @richard.20000
      @richard.20000 6 днів тому +8

      Please run Linux Geekbench 6 too. (X Elite should reach 3200 pts in Linux)

    • @TrioLOLGamers
      @TrioLOLGamers 6 днів тому

      ​@@richard.20000Geekbench sucks. It always has been a mess.

    • @Belaziraf
      @Belaziraf 6 днів тому +14

      @@richard.20000 Let's be honest, all Windows machines work better under Linux. I'm allergic to Linux, but it's reality.
      What I point out is that the better a machine performs on Windows, the better it is for Linux users. At least from the feedbacks I had from the few friends that do use Linux.

    • @v00017
      @v00017 6 днів тому +5

      @@Belaziraf The only real exception I've found to this is brand new products being untested on Linux, but that's more a problem with the manufacturers themselves not implementing support before release.

    • @xtan-yt
      @xtan-yt 6 днів тому

      ​​@@richard.20000 I have an x86 laptop that lasts above 10hrs on linux. I have no idea why i get 4 hr max sot on windows.

  • @sqskei
    @sqskei 6 днів тому +4

    Thank you for the amazing work ! looking forward to your battery test video

  • @Barandur
    @Barandur 6 днів тому +136

    TLDR: This video is pure gold!
    Man... Everybody out there can buy a device, use it and tell "I (dis)like that thing for reason X, Y" and its ok because most of the other people don't care. They just need Laptop and they should just pick what people think is good. However, to make an actual good review for nerds who don't just want a device but want to nerd themself in the deepest rabbit hole ever, it needs so much more and there comes the problem: Besides all the private people who simply use the device and say "yes, that's what it looks like, I like it" there are also "professional" reviewers. Professional in the way that they earn money with it. But not so professional in a way that they understand what the actual heck is going on. They run some tests and benchmarks and put them in a list, sort by ascending and say "XYZ is the best product" and then other people come and say "benchmarks are useless I like another device more even though its lower on benchmarks" and that is true, if you use benchmarks like that. But, benchmarks are absolutely needed to measure and get objective results. And with benchmarks I don't just mean cincebench but aslo standardized procedures for special tasks from people who know what they are doing, who know how to use them and what is going on under the hood. And if these people do benchmarks and especially also interpret them you get something that is pure gold for a nerd like me. I don't have the money nor the time to do all this myself and I really appreciate your content because it is fun to watch, teaches you something and one day will help me deciding on the next product. Thanks Alex, I really appreciate it!

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  6 днів тому +10

      🤩 amazing! i really appreciate it!

    • @newQns
      @newQns 6 днів тому

      @@AZisk You are truly awesome!

    • @drishalballaney6590
      @drishalballaney6590 5 днів тому

      @@AZisk I have a small request, if possible can you please try and see if you can run Linux on this laptop?

  • @L-uu7fq
    @L-uu7fq 3 дні тому +1

    Very impressive dive and analysis with experimentation on the power modes and battery connected vs not in regards to the benchmarks.

  • @bamqadem
    @bamqadem 6 днів тому +11

    Excellent job. Thanks for the effort

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  6 днів тому +1

      thanks! 🙏

  • @kirachats9924
    @kirachats9924 6 днів тому +8

    That was the best benchmark review on these machines

  • @_checkit
    @_checkit 2 дні тому +3

    such a detailed video, much appreciated!

  • @whitest_kyle
    @whitest_kyle 4 дні тому +1

    Definitely the most thorough explanation of the power plans I've seen so far, thank you! I will definitely be using the powercfg trick.

  • @1ordlugo
    @1ordlugo 6 днів тому +5

    Great explanation on the power plans!

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  6 днів тому +1

      wow thanks so much!

  • @dahlia695
    @dahlia695 6 днів тому +4

    Nice to see a deeper dive into the power thing. Would be interesting to see what happens to battery life with the "Ultimate Performance" settings.

  • @LukeBarousse
    @LukeBarousse 6 днів тому +4

    Pretty neat you could use a PowerShell script to manage the power plan. A little burdensome but at least an alternative

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  5 днів тому +1

      i’m sure there are scripts out there to automate this

  • @horaceh
    @horaceh 5 днів тому +1

    Great review as always! 🎉 Looking forward to dev review, around wsl, nginx, ollama, rustc, ruby and php benchmarks 🙏🏻

  • @Kaiser0109
    @Kaiser0109 5 днів тому +1

    Man great review thanks!!!

  • @sveinjohansen6271
    @sveinjohansen6271 6 днів тому +42

    Here we go, Alex explaines goodness :):)

    • @mhavock
      @mhavock 6 днів тому +1

      Basically if you have a mac, you wasted your money : throw it away and come to the good side. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @snmailist1470
    @snmailist1470 5 днів тому +3

    Different approach, different results
    Nice effort for new POV.
    Great Thxs Alex 👍👍

  • @hompiler
    @hompiler 3 дні тому +1

    Very great video, one of the best if not the best explaining the new X elite line. One thing I wish you mentioned is the battery life in these different power plans.

  • @jacklwipa1187
    @jacklwipa1187 5 днів тому

    1:50 thanks for recommending/mentioning these useful tools!!!

  • @davidka2271
    @davidka2271 6 днів тому +3

    Thx for this honest Review Alex

  • @nashwanbaxtiar7718
    @nashwanbaxtiar7718 6 днів тому +5

    To be honest, this is the first time I have been amazed by a UA-cam reviewer. You are just amazing.

  • @pineappleapricotjelly4706
    @pineappleapricotjelly4706 6 днів тому +2

    Been waiting for more alex's content :)

  • @saiphaneeshk.h.5482
    @saiphaneeshk.h.5482 6 днів тому +1

    Can't wait for complete comparison

  • @neail5466
    @neail5466 6 днів тому +3

    Lovely, a proper review.

  • @HouseOfFunQM
    @HouseOfFunQM 6 днів тому +57

    Alex for the 8 BILLIONTH time - the i386 32-bit Chrome executable can only use 1GB memory, as an OS level limitation, and also can’t use PRISM SSE2/3/4 instruction set emulation.
    You NEED to get the amd64 release, otherwise the benchmarks get slaughtered.

    • @DaveHcontrarian
      @DaveHcontrarian 5 днів тому +3

      this is why i am glad i am not a programmer

    • @peanutcelery
      @peanutcelery 5 днів тому +5

      I can’t believe as someone who says they are programmer doesn’t know about this. This is like the intro of computer architecture in a computer science program.

    • @DaveHcontrarian
      @DaveHcontrarian 5 днів тому +2

      @@peanutcelery based

    • @FAKEAXIS
      @FAKEAXIS 5 днів тому +1

      crap i've been running the 32 bit variant, why is that being set as default 😢

    • @bazasgruntas
      @bazasgruntas 5 днів тому +2

      @@peanutcelery nah bro not that many programmers learn about all the limitations of a legacy architectures, chill

  • @dstarie
    @dstarie 5 днів тому

    great video. thanks for the power mode explanation

  • @ElyasFadakar
    @ElyasFadakar 4 дні тому

    Great review! Waiting for more detailed analysis on especially Book4 Edge.

  • @BenuthBasnet
    @BenuthBasnet 6 днів тому +6

    I like your mic sound, may i know which mic are you using?

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  6 днів тому +1

      Sennheiser MKH50

  • @ianneub9796
    @ianneub9796 6 днів тому +30

    Would be interested to see a Linux Native (No VM) Test of these to see where the Linux Drivers are for this Chip.

    • @TheZaman_
      @TheZaman_ 6 днів тому

      i thought that Linux run natively in Windows through Windows Subsystem for Linux

    • @ianneub9796
      @ianneub9796 6 днів тому +6

      @@TheZaman_ but obviously Windows (Executing the WSL) take also Resources. Who serves the CPU driver in this scenario I have no idea, that’s out of my expertise

    • @blurandomnumber
      @blurandomnumber 6 днів тому

      @@ianneub9796 There are two WSL flavors: WSL1 is a linux-abstraciton-layer on top of win11, everything runs natively on the win11 scheduler; WSL2 is an actual VM where you have the entire linux virtualised. Basically, tests under WSL1 are as native as they come for compute tasks, but suffer in IO (disk/network/etc) due to win11 essentially emulating the linux IO (and win11 being objectively weaker than linux in some IO areas).

    • @massimo79mmm
      @massimo79mmm 5 днів тому

      afaik, the bootloader is locked so you can’t install linuux as dualboot

    • @cynicist8114
      @cynicist8114 5 днів тому +6

      They're not ready yet. Qualcomm is estimating they will have the key pieces up streamed by kernel 6.11. That should be a few months from now.

  • @mahdimoradkhani6610
    @mahdimoradkhani6610 6 днів тому

    Brilliant work done by explaining the discrepancy between benchmarks. Seriously impressive!

  • @DuckyUmbra
    @DuckyUmbra 6 днів тому +2

    The BEST review!!! Amazing job!

  • @bamqadem
    @bamqadem 6 днів тому +3

    If you edit one of the plans, another configuration sets the CPU utilization. The default is around 40%. Did you run on something like this? It could be found in the advanced settings

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  6 днів тому +1

      The High Perf mode sets MAX CPU Util to 100

  • @rossgeography
    @rossgeography 6 днів тому +10

    thanks for doing these tests - am quite excited by Windows on ARM vs M-series

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  6 днів тому +4

      More to come!

    • @wisdomyaw03
      @wisdomyaw03 6 днів тому

      ​@@AZiskYou should also consider power consumption in your test, not only performance.

  • @Thulebeez
    @Thulebeez 6 днів тому +2

    Awasome stuff I actually enjoy your reviews from a technical support point of view.

  • @brightziee
    @brightziee 2 дні тому +1

    amazing work!!! ur channel is VERY underrated

  • @carlosMachicad
    @carlosMachicad 6 днів тому +3

    Goat 🙌🏼

  • @sebbbi2
    @sebbbi2 6 днів тому +7

    How much does the battery life suffer in normal use with the high performance power plan?

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  6 днів тому +10

      tbd - more tests coming soon

  • @simranbanwait
    @simranbanwait 6 днів тому +1

    Thankyou sir, you're the only one on UA-cam who is showing benchmarks in detail while others are still talking about camera and display quality

  • @mr.frenchii8973
    @mr.frenchii8973 5 днів тому

    Amazing work on this video. Thanks

  • @cranil
    @cranil 6 днів тому +40

    Put linux on it.

    • @franciscopostigogarcia2694
      @franciscopostigogarcia2694 6 днів тому +6

      get a life

    • @jonragnarsson
      @jonragnarsson 6 днів тому +1

      I kind of like that you need basically run a virtual Linux machine to get stuff done.

    • @kuroshite
      @kuroshite 6 днів тому +3

      Put Arch on it

    • @kuroshite
      @kuroshite 6 днів тому +3

      That's how I'm going to be using my laptop

    • @AdamGamingARK
      @AdamGamingARK 6 днів тому

      @@franciscopostigogarcia2694 get a lenovo yoga slim 7x

  • @ansoncall6497
    @ansoncall6497 6 днів тому +5

    I love how you're able to flow between MacOS, Windows, and Linux, like butter. It must be amazing to have such options in front of you.

  • @darylhendricks6057
    @darylhendricks6057 4 дні тому

    Great reviews, thanks much for the work. Will you be reviewing the Qualcomm Windows SDK box when they release it?

  • @TazzSmk
    @TazzSmk 4 дні тому

    super useful video, many thanks,
    finally someone on YT clarified the naming schemes and power plans/modes,
    btw I noticed same power fckery with latest Xeons (2465X) which also heavily depend on what power plan+mode is set in Windows 11

  • @eliadbu
    @eliadbu 6 днів тому +7

    Can you do full power normalized test at several power levels? It's good to know it can reach some good benchmarks scores, but without any power consumption data it doesn't give you the whole picture.

  • @ademdingin
    @ademdingin 6 днів тому +34

    Power mode in windows very confusing 😅

    • @1centimetre
      @1centimetre 5 днів тому +5

      But it's very liberating. In one click, you can make it shutdown the fan and run 100% silent mode, or push the chipset to the extremes and get some nice boost for multitasking and gaming.
      > For light tasks, choose efficiency.
      > If you don't want to think, set it to Balanced and it will do the job for you.
      > Want to get boring stuff done quickly (e.g., video rendering), then set it to Best Performance.

    • @jimbernard3289
      @jimbernard3289 5 днів тому +1

      ​@@1centimetre The option is cool, the issue is with usability. Microsoft just needs to make it simple and obvious like the Lenovo Vantage app.

    • @trk1b28varianrhesa4
      @trk1b28varianrhesa4 4 дні тому +1

      And Microsoft doesn't event update the powerplan settings UI since like 2005

  • @jamiermathlin
    @jamiermathlin 6 днів тому +1

    just wondering how the battery does on the Samsung when running Ultimate Mode ?

  • @VimalMistry10
    @VimalMistry10 6 днів тому +4

    I only exited to run linux on that laptop :/

  • @broimnotyourbro
    @broimnotyourbro 6 днів тому +25

    Great. So setting power settings on a Windows laptop requires sifting through layers and generations of UI like a digital archeologist, and unless you throw guids at the CLI you still dobt know what it’s going to do. You couldn’t have written a better advertisement for MacOS and Linux.

    • @zh9732
      @zh9732 5 днів тому +1

      I've been told "you see, this is better though, because hard-to-find default settings will result in lower greenhouse gas emissions when the average user is stuck on "energy saver"!"

    • @bradleylauver
      @bradleylauver 4 дні тому +1

      It's literally one click on the battery icon to change the mode so seems pretty obvious to me.

    • @Stllivi
      @Stllivi 4 дні тому +2

      @@bradleylauver Seems like you didnt watch the video.

    • @MartinzW
      @MartinzW 3 дні тому

      @broimnotyourbro too bad MacOS is more limited OS.

    • @0bsmith0
      @0bsmith0 День тому +2

      Anything is better than Windows.

  • @arzsupra
    @arzsupra 6 днів тому

    Super technical analysis and helpful vid. Keep it up!

  • @Luckyn00bOC
    @Luckyn00bOC 5 днів тому

    Man, i've had enough headache with that power plan vs power modes when testing laptop CPUs.
    Good information btw, can't wait to get my hands on one of these X elite laptop :)

  • @maxhartung97
    @maxhartung97 6 днів тому +24

    Does the Qualcomm chip consumes more power than the M2 & M3 to deliver the same performance?

    • @NathanielBabalola
      @NathanielBabalola 6 днів тому +4

      Lol I think so

    • @rezaulkarim7703
      @rezaulkarim7703 6 днів тому +19

      Yes it dose, But there are a number of facts you have to take into consideration that usually nobody thinks actively.
      The Snapdragon X Elite 84100 (the highest SKU) variant can peak up to 100W of power during a burst load but does not sustain for long, whereas Apple M3 has a reported peak load of around 50W.
      This is due to the fact that M3 is a TSMC 3nm process node where all X Elite are TSMC 4nm process. Now to get a comparable perspective, the 3nm process node enables a 20% to 25% improvement in performance over the M2 chip, according to Apple’s claims. That still does not account for the 50% higher power demand for the X Elite.
      That is due to the fac that (my guess), the X Elite Orion CPU core is heavily based on the Phoenix CPU core architecture designed by Nuvia for the server space (before Qualcomm bought Nuvia). Though these Phoenix CPU cores were designed to be scalable, it still is not an entirely mobile/desktop focused CPU. Qualcomm heavily boosted the clock speed for adapting these CPU cores to be on par with the M3 (not the M3 pro or ultra).
      Given this is just the 1st Gen product, we will get much more efficient and comparable CPU s within a few generations. But these will still be parity between the M series and everything else as Apple usually book/block a full new gen TSMC process node for its own CPU, leaving the competitors to use older last gen process node.

    • @RunForPeace-hk1cu
      @RunForPeace-hk1cu 6 днів тому +5

      @@rezaulkarim7703 M4 will smoke Qualcomm chips easy. When M4Pro/Max comes out, it wouldn't even be competition.

    • @bassyey
      @bassyey 6 днів тому +8

      @@RunForPeace-hk1cu You talk like that's something new. lol. year by year even on mobile qualcomm gets smoked. I'm an Android user.

    • @wisdomyaw03
      @wisdomyaw03 6 днів тому +3

      ​@@rezaulkarim7703M3 doesn't peak above 20W. 50W is the M3 Max

  • @getsetcode8162
    @getsetcode8162 6 днів тому +19

    alex pls install a Linux distro as dual boot and test these systems

    • @laloreta798
      @laloreta798 6 днів тому +1

      Their bootloader is locked :(

    • @luigidabro
      @luigidabro 6 днів тому +1

      ​@@laloreta798 WHAT???

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  6 днів тому +12

      to get linux on there might take a little more work, still researching an approach

    • @Vitalya245
      @Vitalya245 6 днів тому

      @@AZisk what kind of work?

    • @xrafter
      @xrafter 6 днів тому

      ​@@Vitalya245
      Kernel work! Qualcomm is working to release to the upstream linux 6.10+

  • @ariqahmer
    @ariqahmer 5 днів тому

    Finally! The variations in the scores are now demystified! Thanks a lot Alex!

  • @AlucardFeeds
    @AlucardFeeds 2 дні тому +1

    Thanks for the video.

  • @michuae7466
    @michuae7466 6 днів тому +41

    Finally, a good video about the topic. Now we know why the scores are different between devices. I was going to buy one (with the Snapdragon X Elite 80 or a MacBook with the M3), but I waited for the reviews and they are either very pleasing or quite disappointing. In my opinion, the raw power of the Snapdragon X Elite 80 can be impressive and it has potential, but you'll run out of battery faster on the high-performance plan compared to the MacBook.

    • @richard.20000
      @richard.20000 6 днів тому +8

      X Elite has similar IPC to Apple M1 (same chief architect, similar cores) however X Elite scales better with frequency (so it's enhanced M1). Almost 3000 pts in GB6 for laptop is very impressive (intel and AMD have no chance to match it without going over 5.0 GHz).
      X Elite is x86 killer.
      ( in Windows laptops )
      Just some people didn't realised that yet.
      Maybe they don't remember P4 vs. K8 clash - low IPC speed demon vs. high IPC beast at moderate clocks. IPC always wins, especially in mobile/laptops.

    • @Dulkh4n
      @Dulkh4n 6 днів тому +4

      wait till see what amd has to offer in a few weeks

    • @xperiafan5370
      @xperiafan5370 6 днів тому +9

      ​The IPC of the X-Elite is far from that of the M1 and close to that of the M3. Especially considering that the X-Elite is on 4nm meanwhile the M3 is on 3nm. The scores of 2.9k Vs 3.1k ST @4.0 Vs 4.05 GHz from both chips should show you that the M3 is just slightly ahead and it's mostly because of the semiconductor architecture.

    • @marceelino
      @marceelino 6 днів тому +1

      Buying mac is really bad. Only get it when you can install Linux or Windows on it.

    • @ko2610
      @ko2610 6 днів тому +4

      @@marceelino you can install linux on the metal on apple silicon and windows on a virtual machine... can you install macos on a snapdragon?

  • @TechGameDev
    @TechGameDev 6 днів тому +7

    je parle français mais n'empêche pas de profiter de tes excellentes videos en anglais

  • @BearMetro
    @BearMetro 6 днів тому +1

    This is the first time I've come across your channel. It's refreshing to see a real analysis being conducted on these devices.

  • @shrirammadurantakam
    @shrirammadurantakam 6 днів тому +1

    Great job Alwx just wanted to know how good is ubuntu in this machine (use the server then install ubuntu-desktop through apt
    or fedora which has a native arm uild too alongide debian

  • @Giggs995
    @Giggs995 6 днів тому +3

    Test Android studio please

    • @BrandonLackey
      @BrandonLackey 6 днів тому

      not supported at moment sadly

    • @Giggs995
      @Giggs995 6 днів тому +1

      @@BrandonLackey even with prism? I guess it will be available in arm pretty soon, as it already exists for Mac

    • @BrandonLackey
      @BrandonLackey 5 днів тому

      @@Giggs995 Android Studio ran but not the android emulator... got an error.

  • @kevinnguyen163
    @kevinnguyen163 6 днів тому +47

    I feel it so dumb that given all the fancy AI they've been talking about, the Windows users are now still left with a bunch of power plan, battery plan to bother with. Why can't I just turn on the machine and use it without worrying about what I should choose for my today work load (or even the next 30 minutes). Come on Microsoft.

    • @plaintext7288
      @plaintext7288 6 днів тому +8

      Just use battery saving until it becomes a limiter

    • @hundvd_7
      @hundvd_7 6 днів тому

      ​@@plaintext7288 Did you even watch the video? It. Is. Not. That. Simple.
      Why are there hidden settings that are unavailable in the UI? Why are there two set of options?
      Why is there a difference between plugged in and not? (when in performance mode)

    • @the_crimsonprince1658
      @the_crimsonprince1658 6 днів тому +16

      @@hundvd_7 bro isheeps want everything from default , so usually apple doesn't provide customisation choice 😂😂

    • @Somebodythatiusedtoknoww
      @Somebodythatiusedtoknoww 6 днів тому

      @@the_crimsonprince1658 even if windows is more customisable you still shouldnt mess with your damn cmd just to get the actual performance that your machine is advertised as. windows is shitting their own software

    • @asdqqq846
      @asdqqq846 6 днів тому +3

      How should hbe AI know what you are going to do this day? In general having as much power as possible is the best solution whenever you are plugged in anyways, or if you are willing to plug it in if it drops to low and you have a socket nearby. The AI can not know that you are going to the park later and should safe some battery.

  • @DevDalyop
    @DevDalyop 5 днів тому +1

    Quality content 😊😊
    The best comparison I have seen so far

  • @maddada
    @maddada 6 днів тому +2

    There's another power setting in the manufacturer apps also from what I've seen in other videos (asus has "myasus", samsung has their own also). I believe it controls the fan curves and tdp iinm.

  • @je_888
    @je_888 6 днів тому +4

    I want to know if I can code with it. Looks very promising.

    • @OnlyCitrus
      @OnlyCitrus 6 днів тому +3

      It has really good performance for code compilation. Only GPU is lacking.

    • @ActionReaction..
      @ActionReaction.. 6 днів тому +3

      why would you not be able to code with it?

    • @scientist30
      @scientist30 6 днів тому

      ​@@OnlyCitrus I saw people complaining about stuff not being supported. Can I use popular code related tool? Let's say Android studio flutter, web dev tools or python side data science and analysis or pytorch? I want to buy but I'm scared

    • @AgustianesUmbaraSuwardi
      @AgustianesUmbaraSuwardi 6 днів тому

      ​@@ActionReaction.. toolchain compatibility, IDEs, cross compiling, etc

  • @sharonb.9128
    @sharonb.9128 6 днів тому +4

    Great video. Most tech channels are ignoring the massive restructuring in tech driven by AI. While benchmarking Qualcomm chips is interesting, it's crucial for PC and Android users to understand how dependent their manufacturers are becoming on Nvidia. Reports suggest Nvidia is charging $30-40k per chip, costs that will inevitably be passed on to customers.
    Apple surprised the industry and now stands out among competitors by creating their own chips and developing a unique, privacy-centered LLM architecture. This could shield Apple from the financial impact of Nvidia's pricing. It's hard to see how Nvidia’s AI pricing won’t eventually disrupt the PC market.

    • @moozillamoo2109
      @moozillamoo2109 3 дні тому

      "creating their own chips" That would be years away. Apple car would probably be a reality first.
      "unique, privacy-centered LLM architecture." LOL. I wonder how does Xi Jiping feel about that.

    • @sharonb.9128
      @sharonb.9128 2 дні тому +1

      @@moozillamoo2109 I don’t know what you mean here. Apple Intelligence refers to Apple's in-house development of AI technologies, including their own machine learning models and architectures. Unlike many companies that rely on Nvidia's GPUs for AI processing, Apple designs its own chips, such as the M1, M2, and now M3 series, which integrate specialized AI and machine learning capabilities. This vertical integration allows Apple to optimize hardware and software together, ensuring performance, efficiency, and privacy without depending on third-party hardware like Nvidia's GPUs.

  • @WitchRegen
    @WitchRegen 5 днів тому

    Great video! This is about the only one I've seen so far that's actually really informative about how these chips perform. I'm not really in the market for a new laptop right now but I'll definitely be keeping the 2nd or 3rd gen X Elite laptops in mind when that time comes based on the performance they delivered here. Hopefully the battery life is up to snuff though.

  • @danilo2567
    @danilo2567 3 дні тому +1

    hey, man.. nice video.. is it possible to use external GPU with those arm socs? can you test?

  • @Fakeman
    @Fakeman 6 днів тому +7

    M3 has efficiency cores, X chips do not. M3 has 4 high power and 4 efficiency cores. X chips have at minimum 10 "powerful" cores. They claimed it is faster than an M3, and it isnt. Based off that alone, Qualcomm was at minimum deceptive about their claims. Disabling all power management features isn't delivering imo. Also this isn't even against M4 or the new Intel and AMD chips.
    Also I find it interesting that traditionally ARM processors have been heterogeneous processors, especially in mobile devices, with "big" and "little" cores, where as these chips are only 1 processor type. Could this design decision be as a result of the "technical" limitations of Windows and their scheduler not being up to snuff? Wouldn't surprise me. I am all for more than just x86 and having ARM/RISC-V CPU support, but Qualcomm is lying about so much stuff, especially the readiness of their graphical drivers.

    • @madmehtab
      @madmehtab 6 днів тому +2

      10 powerfull cores need more power but still is efficient.

  • @TheWWWyrm
    @TheWWWyrm 6 днів тому +54

    They were not faking, not really telling the whole picture. Showing benchmark scores when only on high perf mode, and showing battery life only on battery saving modes, it's just deceptive.

    • @piereligiodisante
      @piereligiodisante 6 днів тому +2

      It has to be said that a well tuned high performance mode can retain most of the performance without pushing too many watts. At least, this is how it works currently on intel machines from what i tested

    • @DerpSenpai
      @DerpSenpai 6 днів тому +6

      That's what AMD and Intel do too btw

    • @trk1b28varianrhesa4
      @trk1b28varianrhesa4 4 дні тому

      ​@@DerpSenpai that doesn't really matter cause x86 high performance laptops usually have like 4-8 hours of battery life. We are know they terrible

  • @deltax7159
    @deltax7159 6 днів тому +1

    Alex, I have been using Windows for years and I love my surface pro 7, but am about to finish grad school and need a data science/ML laptop. Is it too early to tell, or is it cut and dry in terms of what you would recommend between the surface laptop 7 ( want the 64GB RAM 1TB SSD version) / and the M3 PRO Macbook pro ? For ML and data science tasks are they close enough that it would be worth just sticking with windows or is there still such a huge gap that you would recommend switching to a macbook pro?? thanks for all you do man.

  • @ja.valdepenas
    @ja.valdepenas 5 днів тому +1

    Great video! Your latest videos on the Snapdragon SoC are really great. On your next video on X Elite vs X Plus, can you talk or compare the Dual Boost on the Elite and how it makes a difference versus the Plus? Still deciding what to buy.

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  4 дні тому

      thanks so much!

  • @DanCarreras
    @DanCarreras 6 днів тому +9

    Man, this is insane, especially in your conclusion where you say it beats everything. What's the battery life when you go to best performance? What's the point in reaching the same levels as the macbook if suddenly the battery life only lasts 2 hours?
    This entire product launch is mental weird - next to no publications running benchmarks, weird tidbits of info here and there - this should be an exciting time for the industry, and yet all we're getting is little info here and there like your videos.
    Apples transition to m1 worked so well because it just worked. I'm reading complaints daily of printers not being able to be added, your power profile issues, software not running. It's just... I want competition, but it feels like a lot of the tech space just aren't being honest with consumers with these devices.
    I know qualcomm invited you to their event in Hawaii Alex, but instead of defending qualcomm here you need to call this stuff out. If consumers have to go through layers of altering power plans just to be able to get performance, then they're not really getting the performance they're paying for are they?

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  6 днів тому +10

      i didn’t go to Hawaii. wish i did. also, i plan to do more video. they take time to plan shoot and edit and im working on these by myself. have some patience

    • @andyH_England
      @andyH_England 6 днів тому +1

      I take zero notice of benchmarks; they are easily manipulated with extreme performance settings on Windows machines. Even reps of these OEMs say you should max out settings for performance benchmarks and put on super-saver mode for battery benchmarks. Who does that in real life? Balanced mode on all my laptops from day one until it's retired.

    • @wisdomyaw03
      @wisdomyaw03 6 днів тому +1

      This is exactly my thought! You can't talk about high performance without factoring in power consumption, if the whole deal here is about power efficiency. Intel can also offer even higher performance with their high end chips-but at the expense of power efficiency.

  • @Clemenza18384
    @Clemenza18384 6 днів тому +23

    Battery life is atrocious lets be honest. So far, with what they have proposed, I'm getting 8 hours of video playback, no other tabs open and its the 84-100 16 inch variant. Samsung: Let the battery callibrate itself for 2 weeks and see. Which means, you're outside of your return window her in the UK. Not getting anywhere near the battery life and the macbook, regrettably will always beat these. AND I HATE APPLE

    • @NMCloud355
      @NMCloud355 6 днів тому +13

      I am getting similar battery life. 6-8 hours of light use with the 16 inch 80 elite edge. Nowhere near the 22 hours advertised. I have the surface laptop 7 arriving today and that has had much better feedback regarding battery life. Fingers crossed.

    • @Clemenza18384
      @Clemenza18384 6 днів тому

      @NMCloud355 be good to know what there battery is like. Also can get a 32gb variant I believe

    • @AdamGamingARK
      @AdamGamingARK 6 днів тому

      @@NMCloud355 legion slim 7 yoga is probably the best one

    • @arvandvarahram
      @arvandvarahram 6 днів тому +4

      Andrew Marc David run a test with Surface Laptop, 14 inch, at 120 Hz, 40% brightness, 4k UA-cam video playback. The battery lasted 20 hours, 9 minutes and 19 seconds. Isn't that phenomenal?

    • @andyH_England
      @andyH_England 6 днів тому +5

      @@arvandvarahram I still do not believe that as no one has replicated it and it seems impossible. Sadly, I have called him out too many times and he has blocked both my accounts! I would not take one review as gospel.

  • @simranbanwait
    @simranbanwait 6 днів тому

    Really looking forward to get a battery test comparison

  • @daveyhu
    @daveyhu 5 днів тому

    Very thorough, very nice. Are you planning on doing a gaming benchmark of the X Elites?

  • @SuperMachead1
    @SuperMachead1 6 днів тому +9

    My m1 MacBook Air gets 27 in speedometer 😂😂…it came out 4 years ago

    • @shivanshshivi811
      @shivanshshivi811 6 днів тому +19

      And the galaxy book gets 30.... While m3 macbook air gets 29... What is your point?

    • @MFMP
      @MFMP 6 днів тому +1

      Best laptop ever made.

    • @shadowlemon69
      @shadowlemon69 6 днів тому +2

      I tested a school laptop that has an i9-13900H, 8GB of RAM, 512GB of SSD, it scored 9 on speedometer. In another laptop it scored 4, but that laptop has a Pentium 4417U, 8GB of RAM and 1TB HDD/128GB SSD, I don't know what the problem is

    • @TamasKiss-yk4st
      @TamasKiss-yk4st 6 днів тому +1

      And don't forget it half or even just third of the price like thise new laptops, even if it's a bit slower, still fine for daily usage (also with this inconsistent power profile, even Snaodragon users get the similar performance and they think woah.. because even Alex said for the 30 it's the first time he see that..)

    • @MFMP
      @MFMP 6 днів тому

      @@TamasKiss-yk4st I did 4k video editing and other work on WIFI for a full day easily.

  • @sargfowler9603
    @sargfowler9603 6 днів тому +25

    Poor Qualcomm, their chips seem good, but are dragged down by Windows; its power settings are a mess

    • @kaltimoktober
      @kaltimoktober 6 днів тому +2

      how is something dragged down by something you can change yourself???? make that make sense?

    • @swapneelbehera260
      @swapneelbehera260 6 днів тому

      X elite still has mediocre gpu though.

    • @scod3908
      @scod3908 6 днів тому +1

      And yet the Air gets high scores *AND* good battery life from default, without any of that hassle

    • @thephilvz
      @thephilvz 6 днів тому

      @@swapneelbehera260 still has about 10000 times more games to play though

    • @AdamGamingARK
      @AdamGamingARK 6 днів тому

      @@kaltimoktober talk english please

  • @ashutosh_tiwari
    @ashutosh_tiwari 6 днів тому +1

    Please test some programming tasks on these machines.

  • @debojitmandal8670
    @debojitmandal8670 6 днів тому +1

    U should have checked the power draw as well when it was plugged in to get that multi core score

  • @SuperMachead1
    @SuperMachead1 6 днів тому +49

    This is why people hate windows….9 different power settings…holy crap !!!!

    • @jasenhenry
      @jasenhenry 6 днів тому +17

      i appreciate the flexibility to dial in what my needs are over the one size fits all approach of apple. the technical part appeals to me

    • @Prakyy
      @Prakyy 6 днів тому

      eh they're in a transition period, but I tend to agree. They're slowly getting rid of all the control panel stuff tho...

    • @timmy7201
      @timmy7201 6 днів тому +7

      As a Linux user, I find the number 9 being on the low end...

    • @yawenmo7774
      @yawenmo7774 6 днів тому +1

      @@Prakyya transition period that started with windows 8? How many years has it been?

    • @RyanSandersTheSage
      @RyanSandersTheSage 6 днів тому +6

      Imagine if you will... an OS that give you options and choices..... Apple fanboys will not understand.... Linux users "those are rookie numbers"

  • @wayne8797
    @wayne8797 6 днів тому +6

    The kryptonite of these machines will be windows itself…

  • @MrNomad123
    @MrNomad123 6 днів тому

    Awe, this is dope, will open terminal and add that feature.

  • @weinbergfahrer4048
    @weinbergfahrer4048 6 днів тому +1

    Wow, this is really a deep dive into the power characteristics of these new machines! Thanks a lot for bringing this to the surface, so to speak! ;) What I"d really appreciate is a nice little graphical "utility" (what we called these things 20+ years ago) to quickly change between max. battery and high power modes! (Alex, a challenge for you?!)

  • @randipleon
    @randipleon 6 днів тому +4

    Great chip. Shit OS.

  • @krzysztof1703
    @krzysztof1703 6 днів тому +2

    W8ing for some dual boot and Linux tests, and ofc to see if basic stuff works😉

  • @thanksyoutubefortakingmyhandle

    Found your channel from TechLinked, wanted to see the settings you used for better performance. I got the high performance option chosen under power options but power mode still has the same three options (recommended, best, better). On surface pro 11 elite. So I should just choose best performance for the best performance? That's what I did and as I'm typing this video buffered midway for ~10 seconds lol

  • @luigideff
    @luigideff 4 дні тому

    Amazing in-depth investigation! Never saw anyone talk about all those power plan/mode configurations and how they affect the performance! Nice job bro!!

  • @chorandrey
    @chorandrey 6 днів тому +1

    incredible work!

    • @AZisk
      @AZisk  6 днів тому

      Thank you! Cheers!

  • @jameshancock
    @jameshancock 6 днів тому +1

    Set best performance when plugged in and balanced for when in battery.

  • @ultimatemaverick
    @ultimatemaverick 6 днів тому

    This video made me a subscriber! Love the deep dive into these machines versus other reviewers who just did surface level coverage just for views. Keep it up!

  • @ericneo2
    @ericneo2 3 дні тому

    Thanks for covering this, I wish more reviewers would cover this and show us the battery in hours for power saver, balanced and performance modes.

  • @acalza
    @acalza 6 днів тому +2

    I rarely comment on videos, but well made video. This is the first video about Windows on ARM that was actually useful.